Trump Just Exempted His ENTIRE Senior Staff From White House Ethics Rules [Archive]

wjboyer1

06-01-2017, 11:24 AM

MDLNB

06-01-2017, 12:03 PM

rubicon

06-01-2017, 12:15 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/us/politics/lobbyist-ethics-waivers-trump-administration.html?_r=0

White House grants ethics waivers to 17 appointees, including four former lobbyists - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/31/white-house-grants-ethics-waivers-to-17-appointees-including-four-former-lobbyists/?utm_term=.6a50f5771e7a)

Trump grants ethics waivers to Conway, Bannon, ex-lobbyists - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-ethics-waivers-kellyanne-conway-steve-bannon-lobbyists-2017-6)

Trump has no ethics, neither does his staff.......

All this intrigue about Trump, his staff ,Putin, Russia. what's going to happen when all these investigation come up zilch. Oh yea the same thing that happened when the lead pipe cinch win of Hillary didn't end up being a lead pipe cinch and the progressives developed Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What's that noise in the background? Its getting louder and louder something about the criminal acts and threats to our national security resulting from Obama and Company's unmasking and leaking that information to the news.... shame on you Obama, same on you Susan Rice, same on you intelligence community..Trump Derangement syndrome is a terrible thing to catch.

Personal Best Regards:

MDLNB

06-01-2017, 12:44 PM

All this intrigue about Trump, his staff ,Putin, Russia. what's going to happen when all these investigation come up zilch. Oh yea the same thing that happened when the lead pipe cinch win of Hillary didn't end up being a lead pipe cinch and the progressives developed Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What's that noise in the background? Its getting louder and louder something about the criminal acts and threats to our national security resulting from Obama and Company's unmasking and leaking that information to the news.... shame on you Obama, same on you Susan Rice, same on you intelligence community..Trump Derangement syndrome is a terrible thing to catch.

Personal Best Regards:

It's all what they call "white noise" in the Intel community. Just noise to cover what is really happening. Of course, in the case of the left NOTHING is happening, but it is a good excuse for them to shirk their duties.

wjboyer1

06-01-2017, 11:05 PM

White House Grants 14 Ethics Waivers to Staff - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-grants-14-ethics-waivers-staff-n767276)

rubicon

06-02-2017, 05:02 AM

White House Grants 14 Ethics Waivers to Staff - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-grants-14-ethics-waivers-staff-n767276)

Poster:

Here is an area where you and I may agree.

it appears previous Administrations have all asked for ethics waivers.

My question is why is there a need? Why are all Administrations asking for ethical waivers? What do the ethical waivers cover and why?

If I am an ethical person why do I need a waiver?

simply state before we condemn we need the rest of the story and not rely on headline only. Do you agree?

Personal Best Regards:

Paper1

06-02-2017, 06:50 PM

Poster:

Here is an area where you and I may agree.

it appears previous Administrations have all asked for ethics waivers.

My question is why is there a need? Why are all Administrations asking for ethical waivers? What do the ethical waivers cover and why?

If I am an ethical person why do I need a waiver?

simply state before we condemn we need the rest of the story and not rely on headline only. Do you agree?

Personal Best Regards:
After two very polarizing presidents we have been reduced to being Trumpsters or anti-Trumpsters. What a sad, ignorant people we are.

ColdNoMore

06-02-2017, 08:33 PM

After two very polarizing presidents we have been reduced to being Trumpsters or anti-Trumpsters. What a sad, ignorant people we are.

One POTUS was "polarizing" primarily because of the color of his skin and his bravery in calling out racism when it occurred...And the other is polarizing because of his disgusting/despicable (possibly illegal) actions and words.

For any decent, patriotic American...there is NO comparison. :ohdear:

Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

Buffalo Jim

06-02-2017, 11:52 PM

Taltarzac725

06-03-2017, 06:09 AM

Don Baldwin

06-03-2017, 07:07 AM

Nicely said. And because of Donald John Trump's use of racism to achieve his goals even if some of his supporters claim he is not a racist. Just look at the birther movement which this man fostered for four years or more.

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Donal d_Trump)

Donald Trump - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Political_career_up_to_2015)

We've YET to see a REAL...wet ink...birth certificate. Just a computer printout and a woman "certifying it" who wasn't around at the time.

A relative of Obama said he was born in Kenya.

We don't REALLY know where he was born.

wjboyer1

06-03-2017, 04:16 PM

we've yet to see a real...wet ink...birth certificate. Just a computer printout and a woman "certifying it" who wasn't around at the time.

A relative of obama said he was born in kenya.

We don't really know where he was born.

only morons and idiots feel the same way you do.....

Allegiance

06-03-2017, 10:24 PM

only morons and idiots feel the same way you do.....
That name calling is berry mean.

BIGPOPPA

06-04-2017, 10:06 AM

When u used the words posibly illegall in a conbersation about a person you can take away the word possibly because you realy meen the person did the illegal thing. So far I no see and my wifet Daisy no see the law make for broken by the trump family. Daisy mother vote for the democrat ebrey tine but this time she make th vote for Donald Trump and no felt sorry at all. I look up the word moron and idiot is not easy for me. i no like this words for our president. Is bery berry bad.

Allegiance

06-04-2017, 10:07 AM

Joe De Vito

06-04-2017, 10:50 AM

All this intrigue about Trump, his staff ,Putin, Russia. what's going to happen when all these investigation come up zilch. Oh yea the same thing that happened when the lead pipe cinch win of Hillary didn't end up being a lead pipe cinch and the progressives developed Trump Derangement Syndrome.

What's that noise in the background? Its getting louder and louder something about the criminal acts and threats to our national security resulting from Obama and Company's unmasking and leaking that information to the news.... shame on you Obama, same on you Susan Rice, same on you intelligence community..Trump Derangement syndrome is a terrible thing to catch.

Personal Best Regards:

Everything is Obama's fault. What a surprise coming from you!

The noise in the background is Trump trying to change the focus on all his stupidity, and his lying. It is working for the 38% of closed minded individual that believe everything he says.

Abby10

06-04-2017, 11:05 AM

One POTUS was "polarizing" primarily because of the color of his skin and his bravery in calling out racism when it occurred...And the other is polarizing because of his disgusting/despicable (possibly illegal) actions and words.

For any decent, patriotic American...there is NO comparison. :ohdear:

Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

That is your take on it, but not the reality for most of us who did not like him as President. It had nothing to do with skin color - in fact, there where other African Americans who I would have gladly voted for if they had been on the ticket. It had everything to do with his politics, not skin color. If there were voters who actually felt that way, they were a small minority, but it seems easier for you to cast all of us in the same light. Because of this, it makes it difficult to have any sort of intelligent conversation with people of your mindset. This type of thinking, and lashing out at others in this manner, is the biggest reason for the great divide in our country. You leave no room for conversation and the sharing of ideas.

Sorry to the other posters for the digression from the topic at hand.

Rockyrd

06-04-2017, 11:18 AM

That is your take on it, but not the reality for most of us who did not like him as President. It had nothing to do with skin color - in fact, there where other African Americans who I would have gladly voted for if they had been on the ticket. It had everything to do with his politics, not skin color. If there were voters who actually felt that way, they were a small minority, but it seems easier for you to cast all of us in the same light. Because of this, it makes it difficult to have any sort of intelligent conversation with people of your mindset. This type of thinking, and lashing out at others in this manner, is the biggest reason for the great divide in our country. You leave no room for conversation and the sharing of ideas.

Sorry to the other posters for the digression from the topic at hand.

Well, his successor appears to come from what you say is a "small minority"

As a regular visitor here, you surely note many of the posts, either with an adjective in front (black) or in the post a reference o his race, or the race problem used as a measuring stick for him.

I object to most of what he did, but realistically know in my heart that the birther situation was racial. Our President held that view until a few months ago, and was very clear he was only "renouncing" his actions and words in a sarcastic manner. From that, I surmise he feels the same way now as he did on the birther thing AND the Central Park Five. I am simply referring to factual events not subject to interpretation

Abby10

06-04-2017, 01:12 PM

Well, his successor appears to come from what you say is a "small minority"

As a regular visitor here, you surely note many of the posts, either with an adjective in front (black) or in the post a reference o his race, or the race problem used as a measuring stick for him.

I object to most of what he did, but realistically know in my heart that the birther situation was racial. Our President held that view until a few months ago, and was very clear he was only "renouncing" his actions and words in a sarcastic manner. From that, I surmise he feels the same way now as he did on the birther thing AND the Central Park Five. I am simply referring to factual events not subject to interpretation

I can't speak for anyone on this forum, but I do know many people who voted against Obama and then for Trump and can honestly say not one of them is a racist. In fact, far from it, and that is my point. Just because one votes this way does not make them a racist. And yet some on this forum would have you think just that.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't know him as well as you apparently do, but I'm willing to give him a chance to see what he can do for the country. I really don't care if the press like him or not, or if other countries like him or not, the question is what is he trying to accomplish for Americans. The only certainty I knew at election time was that I didn't want to go in the direction in which the other candidate wanted to lead us.

ColdNoMore

06-04-2017, 03:06 PM

That is your take on it, but not the reality for most of us who did not like him as President. It had nothing to do with skin color - in fact, there where other African Americans who I would have gladly voted for if they had been on the ticket. It had everything to do with his politics, not skin color. If there were voters who actually felt that way, they were a small minority, but it seems easier for you to cast all of us in the same light. Because of this, it makes it difficult to have any sort of intelligent conversation with people of your mindset. This type of thinking, and lashing out at others in this manner, is the biggest reason for the great divide in our country. You leave no room for conversation and the sharing of ideas.

Sorry to the other posters for the digression from the topic at hand.

That is by far NOT just my take.

Just because your immediate universe doesn't have those types in it (taking you at your word), doesn't change the fact that all too many others DO feel that way.

Heck, just read the number of strong Trump supporters here who either constantly use the 'N' word or denigrate blacks/minorities generally...and you can quickly see that I'm not the one with my eyes closed.

It's fine with me that you didn't like Obama primarily because of his policies/actions...as that is the way it should be.

But please do not attempt to lecture about their not being a racist/bigot component regarding dislike of Obama...because too many others have shown that you're wrong. :shrug:

ColdNoMore

06-04-2017, 03:15 PM

I can't speak for anyone on this forum, but I do know many people who voted against Obama and then for Trump and can honestly say not one of them is a racist. In fact, far from it, and that is my point. Just because one votes this way does not make them a racist. And yet some on this forum would have you think just that.

Sorry, but now you're using a logical fallacy.

I haven't seen anyone saying that everyone who disliked Obama was a racist, so trying to say so...won't fly.

But I do know that all racists...voted against Obama.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't know him as well as you apparently do, but I'm willing to give him a chance to see what he can do for the country. I really don't care if the press like him or not, or if other countries like him or not, the question is what is he trying to accomplish for Americans. The only certainty I knew at election time was that I didn't want to go in the direction in which the other candidate wanted to lead us.

And yet you're willing to close your eyes and pretend that those around the POTUS aren't being seriously investigated (or have had to recuse themselves) and that he, himself, most likely was behind the scene directing these people (surely you don't think they acted on their own?)...and that he tried to stop these investigations?

Whether it can actually be proved or not, given the absolute loyalty he demands...is another story.

But all that's OK with you...because you disliked Hillary so much? :oops:

Rockyrd

06-04-2017, 06:14 PM

I can't speak for anyone on this forum, but I do know many people who voted against Obama and then for Trump and can honestly say not one of them is a racist. In fact, far from it, and that is my point. Just because one votes this way does not make them a racist. And yet some on this forum would have you think just that.

As far as Trump is concerned, I don't know him as well as you apparently do, but I'm willing to give him a chance to see what he can do for the country. I really don't care if the press like him or not, or if other countries like him or not, the question is what is he trying to accomplish for Americans. The only certainty I knew at election time was that I didn't want to go in the direction in which the other candidate wanted to lead us.

I am not very adept at this and thus I come across as blunt..I prefer face to face interaction. I say that because either I was not clear or you are twisting my words into something.

First, I was trying to respond to your saying how non racial opinions of Obama are. I begin by telling you, race was a big issue, meaning the black voters voted for Obama because of his race, and I hate that fact.

I think you are being extremely naive when you speak of Trump. I will assume that you didn't mean to be sarcastic in your comment saying how I might "know" Trump better. I know him because I believe it is important to KNOW our candidates. When I was Bucco, I was attacked because I brought up Alinsky, harped on the Rev Wright his up bringing. If you did not do your due diligence on Trump, and you would not be alone, I say without being a wise guy....I did my homework, just as I did on Obama.

If, on this forum specifically, you cannot determine the racial animosity, you are not paying attention. If you had done ANY reading on Trump, his racial background leaps of the pages.

I will stop there because I think you are naive. Some of the posters on here don't hide it....some are sneaky about it, but it's there and visible.

Don Baldwin

06-04-2017, 08:21 PM

I am not very adept at this and thus I come across as blunt..I prefer face to face interaction. I say that because either I was not clear or you are twisting my words into something.

First, I was trying to respond to your saying how non racial opinions of Obama are. I begin by telling you, race was a big issue, meaning the black voters voted for Obama because of his race, and I hate that fact.

I think you are being extremely naive when you speak of Trump. I will assume that you didn't mean to be sarcastic in your comment saying how I might "know" Trump better. I know him because I believe it is important to KNOW our candidates. When I was Bucco, I was attacked because I brought up Alinsky, harped on the Rev Wright his up bringing. If you did not do your due diligence on Trump, and you would not be alone, I say without being a wise guy....I did my homework, just as I did on Obama.

If, on this forum specifically, you cannot determine the racial animosity, you are not paying attention. If you had done ANY reading on Trump, his racial background leaps of the pages.

I will stop there because I think you are naive. Some of the posters on here don't hide it....some are sneaky about it, but it's there and visible.

If you had read Obama's books...his racism would have lept off the pages.

Trump is RIGHT to be racist...we should ALL be racist...because they ARE different than us. We are genetically different species. BLACKS are the "missing link...part human...but not quite all the way there. It's WHY they're always at the bottom economically and socially.

TheDude

06-04-2017, 08:37 PM

/cheer

Didn't Obama let Puerto Rico nationalist Oscar Lopez Rivera go free?

I wonder how many of those Obama released early were white?

Abby10

06-05-2017, 06:53 AM

Sorry, but now you're using a logical fallacy.

I haven't seen anyone saying that everyone who disliked Obama was a racist, so trying to say so...won't fly.

But I do know that all racists...voted against Obama.

And yet you're willing to close your eyes and pretend that those around the POTUS aren't being seriously investigated (or have had to recuse themselves) and that he, himself, most likely was behind the scene directing these people (surely you don't think they acted on their own?)...and that he tried to stop these investigations?

Whether it can actually be proved or not, given the absolute loyalty he demands...is another story.

But all that's OK with you...because you disliked Hillary so much? :oops:

I'm not saying any of that is ok, IF PROVEN TO BE TRUE. As far as Hilary is concerned, I know people personally who worked in positions close to the Clinton's when Bill was President and they were adamant about her not being President, so it wasn't just that I didn't like her, it is what I knew about her that made voting for her impossible for me.

Abby10

06-05-2017, 07:13 AM

I am not very adept at this and thus I come across as blunt..I prefer face to face interaction. I say that because either I was not clear or you are twisting my words into something.

First, I was trying to respond to your saying how non racial opinions of Obama are. I begin by telling you, race was a big issue, meaning the black voters voted for Obama because of his race, and I hate that fact.

I think you are being extremely naive when you speak of Trump. I will assume that you didn't mean to be sarcastic in your comment saying how I might "know" Trump better. I know him because I believe it is important to KNOW our candidates. When I was Bucco, I was attacked because I brought up Alinsky, harped on the Rev Wright his up bringing. If you did not do your due diligence on Trump, and you would not be alone, I say without being a wise guy....I did my homework, just as I did on Obama.

If, on this forum specifically, you cannot determine the racial animosity, you are not paying attention. If you had done ANY reading on Trump, his racial background leaps of the pages.

I will stop there because I think you are naive. Some of the posters on here don't hide it....some are sneaky about it, but it's there and visible.

I agree.....face to face is better. I was not being sarcastic, just referring to previous posts where you mention your background knowledge on Trump and your long history of keeping up with him, etc. I have kept up with him to a lesser extent over the years so it's not that I didn't know anything about him, just probably not as much as you. Some of the background info about him I did find was negative, but I also came across positive stuff about him as well, so I was not walking into this thinking he was a bad person. I have admitted on here before that he was not my first choice for President, but any vote for someone else, once the primaries were over, would have been a vote for Hillary.......been there, done that before, and as per my previous post, in my mind Hillary for President would have been a disaster. Call me naive, but I do the best with what I know at a given time and I take personal, hands on information, especially from people I trust, much more seriously than anything I read.

mickey100

06-05-2017, 07:28 AM

Nicely said. And because of Donald John Trump's use of racism to achieve his goals even if some of his supporters claim he is not a racist. Just look at the birther movement which this man fostered for four years or more.

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Donal d_Trump)

Donald Trump - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Political_career_up_to_2015)

Trump is clearly a racist. The whole birther movement was proof. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports Trump has racist tendencies as well.

Don Baldwin

06-05-2017, 07:41 AM

Trump is clearly a racist. The whole birther movement was proof. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports Trump has racist tendencies as well.

You defend "people" who aren't.

WHERE are blacks as a whole successful? Where IS "their" villages? Their "Sweden or Germany"? Where is their Harvard or MIT? Where are their Newtons and Einsteins?

We are different species...we are different by 2-5% which is HUGE. As much as we're different from chimpanzees. STOP believing the lies...look at them...look at what they do...look at what that CAN'T do. Stop promoting them over the well being of your country.

Abby10

06-05-2017, 08:05 AM

Trump is clearly a racist. The whole birther movement was proof. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports Trump has racist tendencies as well.

Note to CNM and Rocky -

This poster just made my point! This is the kind of thing that I was saying is wrong. No, every person who voted for Trump or supports him now because he is the President, is NOT a racist.

A similar accusation is often used here for anyone who has any kind of agreement with Don B. I am not a racist because I occasionally agree with Don B or can find no arguments with his statistical data. What ever happened to individuality and the ability to evaluate another person's words/ideas without being labeled for doing so? Just because I don't like someone's stance on something or their ideology in general, doesn't mean I can't find something I might agree with them about.

I'll stop my rant there, but this is why I believe many people will not come on this forum. Too much nitpicking and name calling........it gets childish and becomes a waste of time because voices are shut down by this nonsense and not allowed to be heard. And that goes both ways!

Rockyrd

06-05-2017, 08:39 AM

Note to CNM and Rocky -

This poster just made my point! This is the kind of thing that I was saying is wrong. No, every person who voted for Trump or supports him now because he is the President, is NOT a racist.

A similar accusation is often used here for anyone who has any kind of agreement with Don B. I am not a racist because I occasionally agree with Don B or can find no arguments with his statistical data. What ever happened to individuality and the ability to evaluate another person's words/ideas without being labeled for doing so? Just because I don't like someone's stance on something or their ideology in general, doesn't mean I can't find something I might agree with them about.

I'll stop my rant there, but this is why I believe many people will not come on this forum. Too much nitpicking and name calling........it gets childish and becomes a waste of time because voices are shut down by this nonsense and not allowed to be heard. And that goes both ways!

I agree....so there :)

You will never hear me say "ALL" liberals, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, women, blacks, whites or anything of that sort.

Consider me anti label !!

My angst is reserved for those who do label people followed by an attack. I am anti Trump, give reasons why and do not hide, BUT I do not in any way have a problem with someone who voted for him, other than an inability to defend him on issues and revert back to the election. To each his own but he is President now...no more campaigning....what he says on twitter or otherwise is said on behalf of all of us, thus my critique.

Abby10

06-05-2017, 09:09 AM

I agree....so there :)

You will never hear me say "ALL" liberals, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, women, blacks, whites or anything of that sort.

Consider me anti label !!

My angst is reserved for those who do label people followed by an attack. I am anti Trump, give reasons why and do not hide, BUT I do not in any way have a problem with someone who voted for him, other than an inability to defend him on issues and revert back to the election. To each his own but he is President now...no more campaigning....what he says on twitter or otherwise is said on behalf of all of us, thus my critique.

Gotcha.....thanks. Not that my criticisms were aimed at you personally to begin with as I know you have called out others for generalizing as well. Like you, I just feel that kind of conversation is not helpful for dialogue, and although I'm not perfect, I really try not to do that. I find that it hinders getting to know the person with whom you're conversing and ultimately getting to the truth of the matter.

MDLNB

06-05-2017, 10:10 AM

Trump is clearly a racist. The whole birther movement was proof. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports Trump has racist tendencies as well.

Does that make Obama's brother a racist also, since he says Obama was born in Africa?

Not that I care where Obama was born, but calling someone a racist is a serious charge. Same with labeling someone a bigot.

I find it ludicrous and ignorant of you to call me a "racist" for supporting Trump. That is like me calling you a criminal because you voted for Crooked Hillary, the felon.

MDLNB

06-05-2017, 10:11 AM

Gotcha.....thanks. Not that my criticisms were aimed at you personally to begin with as I know you have called out others for generalizing as well. Like you, I just feel that kind of conversation is not helpful for dialogue, and although I'm not perfect, I really try not to do that. I find that it hinders getting to know the person with whom you're conversing and ultimately getting to the truth of the matter.

B.S.! You have proved on this thread that you are a hypocrite.

Abby10

06-05-2017, 10:50 AM

B.S.! You have proved on this thread that you are a hypocrite.

Not sure why you say that?? I did make a note to both CNM and Rocky, but for 2 very different reasons. To CNM because he does generalize and calls everyone a racist, but to Rocky to show that it does happen on here, not that he does that himself. Had I not been able to see who you are, I would have thought you were CNM since that's how he usually responds.

Either I'm confused or you are because I think we're on the same side of the fence with the racial name calling which was what I was referencing??

ColdNoMore

06-05-2017, 01:43 PM

Note to CNM and Rocky -

This poster just made my point! This is the kind of thing that I was saying is wrong. No, every person who voted for Trump or supports him now because he is the President, is NOT a racist.

A similar accusation is often used here for anyone who has any kind of agreement with Don B. I am not a racist because I occasionally agree with Don B or can find no arguments with his statistical data. What ever happened to individuality and the ability to evaluate another person's words/ideas without being labeled for doing so? Just because I don't like someone's stance on something or their ideology in general, doesn't mean I can't find something I might agree with them about.

I'll stop my rant there, but this is why I believe many people will not come on this forum. Too much nitpicking and name calling........it gets childish and becomes a waste of time because voices are shut down by this nonsense and not allowed to be heard. And that goes both ways!

You were doing OK, until you made the mistake of stating the underlined portion above. :oops:

Has it ever occurred to you, that the real common denominator with the "statistics" that Racist Boy likes to use...is poverty?

Further, has it ever crossed your mind that the reason so many blacks (and other minorities) live in poverty...is because of those with Racist Boy's viewpoint?

If you have thought of it, why are you so loathe to say so?

If you haven't, then I'm sorry but you can't help but be lumped in with racists and bigots...that's just the way it works.

Let me make it simple for you.

It's analogous to a group making a concerted effort of going around pushing/tripping elderly people and then after enough of them have been left splayed on the ground, declaring... "Old people can't walk."

Or maybe closer to home, is the recent statement by MDLNB that (if you believe he ever had the power to hire or fire, which most intelligent people know better) he wouldn't hire women...because they might take time off to have children.

Ya think maybe that kind of belief is the reason women have been underpaid compared to men doing the same job...and is the definition of misogyny?

By the way, MDLNB shares your political beliefs.

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

ColdNoMore

06-05-2017, 01:51 PM

Not sure why you say that?? I did make a note to both CNM and Rocky, but for 2 very different reasons. To CNM because he does generalize and calls everyone a racist, but to Rocky to show that it does happen on here, not that he does that himself. Had I not been able to see who you are, I would have thought you were CNM since that's how he usually responds.

That's an absolute lie.

I have never called anyone a racist or bigot, that didn't either say racist and bigoted things...or agree with those that did. :boom:

Either I'm confused or you are because I think we're on the same side of the fence with the racial name calling which was what I was referencing??
Thanks for proving my point in my previous post. :1rotfl:

You ARE on the "same side," and therefore must agree (albeit maybe inadvertently) that women shouldn't be hired or paid the same as men...because they might have children.

Especially if you...."can't argue with his statistics." :ho:

See how that works? :D

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

MDLNB

06-05-2017, 02:49 PM

That's an absolute lie.

I have never called anyone a racist or bigot, that didn't either say racist and bigoted things...or agree with those that did. :boom:

Thanks for proving my point in my previous post. :1rotfl:

You ARE on the "same side," and therefore must agree (albeit maybe inadvertently) that women shouldn't be hired or paid the same as men...because they might have children.

Especially if you...."can't argue with his statistics." :ho:

See how that works? :D

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

So, CNM since you agree with the fools on here, that makes YOU A FOOL by association, according to your criteria.......:boom:

Abby10

06-05-2017, 04:09 PM

You were doing OK, until you made the mistake of stating the underlined portion above. :oops:

Has it ever occurred to you, that the real common denominator with the "statistics" that Racist Boy likes to use...is poverty?

Further, has it ever crossed your mind that the reason so many blacks (and other minorities) live in poverty...is because of those with Racist Boy's viewpoint?

If you have thought of it, why are you so loathe to say so?

If you haven't, then I'm sorry but you can't help but be lumped in with racists and bigots...that's just the way it works.

Let me make it simple for you.

It's analogous to a group making a concerted effort of going around pushing/tripping elderly people and then after enough of them have been left splayed on the ground, declaring... "Old people can't walk."

Or maybe closer to home, is the recent statement by MDLNB that (if you believe he ever had the power to hire or fire, which most intelligent people know better) he wouldn't hire women...because they might take time off to have children.

Ya think maybe that kind of belief is the reason women have been underpaid compared to men doing the same job...and is the definition of misogyny?

By the way, MDLNB shares your political beliefs.

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Again, you make too many generalizations. It's not ALL about poverty. Many people in these situations (and that goes for blacks AND whites) make it a lifestyle. I know because of where I live and where I currently work. I see it all the time.......again, not just one race. I may have mentioned an example on here before where my husband procured one of these as you call them, impoverished, a job. It paid $15/hr with full benefits. The person turned it down - his reason being he did better on welfare. There was no physical or mental reason that this person could not work. It was a choice! No one was holding him back but himself.

About women's pay, again, another generalization on your part. There are many reasons why women may not be getting paid as much. For example, my husband and I work in the same profession. He always got paid more than I did but for good reason - one, he was in a management position and I was not, and two, he worked a lot more overall hours than I did. Any place that I have worked there was a pay range based on experience, never saw one based on gender. Hourly wages were the same for both. Overall my pay would not end up being the same as my male counterparts because I took time off for maternity leave and childcare.

My point is you can't just make generalizations about these sorts of things, anymore than one can make generalizations about certain groups of people. There are too many varying factors involved.

Btw, what was this thread about again? :confused:

ColdNoMore

06-05-2017, 04:52 PM

Again, you make too many generalizations. It's not ALL about poverty. Many people in these situations (and that goes for blacks AND whites) make it a lifestyle. I know because of where I live and where I currently work. I see it all the time.......again, not just one race. I may have mentioned an example on here before where my husband procured one of these as you call them, impoverished, a job. It paid $15/hr with full benefits. The person turned it down - his reason being he did better on welfare. There was no physical or mental reason that this person could not work. It was a choice! No one was holding him back but himself.

About women's pay, again, another generalization on your part. There are many reasons why women may not be getting paid as much. For example, my husband and I work in the same profession. He always got paid more than I did but for good reason - one, he was in a management position and I was not, and two, he worked a lot more overall hours than I did. Any place that I have worked there was a pay range based on experience, never saw one based on gender. Hourly wages were the same for both. Overall my pay would not end up being the same as my male counterparts because I took time off for maternity leave and childcare.

My point is you can't just make generalizations about these sorts of things, anymore than one can make generalizations about certain groups of people. There are too many varying factors involved.

Btw, what was this thread about again? :confused:

I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh. :1rotfl:

You start out by totally mis-characterizing what I said about poverty (where did I say ALL anything? :oops: ) and totally ignored what I said about women's pay and made up your own excuses..

Ya think maybe that kind of belief is the reason women have been underpaid compared to men doing the same job...

...then have the audacity to try and lecture about generalizations? :ohdear:

While we're on that subject...click on this. ;)

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1407486-post14.html

I'll wait for your comments. :popcorn:

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave: