Complaints

[BWhite]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

[manaboutown]

Some if not many of the anonymous complaints surely must be from bitter people. The recent one about the two foot too wide driveway on the Historic Side comes to mind in particular. That driveway had been in place when the lady purchased the place seven years ago. Must be a personal vendetta from a cowardly passive-aggressive busybody. Geez!

[JoMar]

What some consider an improvement may not be viewed the same by everyone. We all signed the deed restrictions, why do some believe they don't mean anything? Doesn't matter what you put in your yard it will probably offend someone so just follow the deed restrictions for your area and then everyone will coexist peacefully.

[Sandtrap328]

Some if not many of the anonymous complaints surely must be from bitter people. The recent one about the two foot too wide driveway on the Historic Side comes to mind in particular. That driveway had been in place when the lady purchased the place seven years ago. Must be a personal vendetta from a cowardly passive-aggressive busybody. Geez!

For this one in particular, I think the buyer would be able to get all her money refunded by the title insurance company. The survey plat would have shown the property boundaries. Not her fault - unless she opted not to get title insurance.

As for deed compliance squealers, unless it is a gross malfeasance, be quiet!

[Allegiance]

With That particular case the neighbors on either side of the new house got the violation.

Right side, two feet of driveway, left side a beautiful raised stone flowerbed. Hmmm

[DonH57]

Some if not many of the anonymous complaints surely must be from bitter people. The recent one about the two foot too wide driveway on the Historic Side comes to mind in particular. That driveway had been in place when the lady purchased the place seven years ago. Must be a personal vendetta from a cowardly passive-aggressive busybody. Geez!

The lady should have been entitled to some legal recourse since the property was sold in that condition. The driveway rework should have been paid by the authority that allowed the sale to go forward and approved. It should not have come out of her pocket. Totally unacceptable title and deed was processed and she paid the price.

[Bryan]

Some people continue to think they are entitled, privileged, above the law, and that the rules don't apply to them. Everyone who purchased had a chance to read their deed restrictions (most didn't). They signed off that they read and understood them (they didn't even come close). They violated those restrictions - either knowingly but not caring or through total ignorance by not bothering to read them. Someone complains about the violation. Now they think that they - the uncaring, entitled, privileged retiree - should be granted an exception. Man up! Put your Big Boy Pants on, and follow the rules.

As for the driveway situation, I certainly agree that lady had some legal recourse. Note that is in not FREE legal recourse - it could have been very expensive to fight that faulty deed. I applaud her for just fixing the problem and moving on with her enjoyment of life.

[rubicon]

I get very curious about people who complain about other people complaining.

The old saw about a batters average dropping when he steps out of the batters box comes to mind.

the deed restrictions and other rules here is the only reason many of us moved to Florida and specifically The Villages.

The main method for policing to be certain that deed and rules are upheld comes from complaints by neighbors.

I've seen some homes and generally areas that have caused me some concern.

[Fredster]

Deed restrictions to maintain standards are fine,
but the current system, because it is complaint driven,
does not apply/enforce compliance uniformly.

I personally know there are many, many homes
in The Villages that have landscaping that is not compliant,
but they do not have a PIA neighbor!

[BobnBev]

Some people continue to think they are entitled, privileged, above the law, and that the rules don't apply to them. Everyone who purchased had a chance to read their deed restrictions (most didn't). They signed off that they read and understood them (they didn't even come close). They violated those restrictions - either knowingly but not caring or through total ignorance by not bothering to read them. Someone complains about the violation. Now they think that they - the uncaring, entitled, privileged retiree - should be granted an exception. Man up! Put your Big Boy Pants on, and follow the rules.

As for the driveway situation, I certainly agree that lady had some legal recourse. Note that is in not FREE legal recourse - it could have been very expensive to fight that faulty deed. I applaud her for just fixing the problem and moving on with her enjoyment of life.

:pray::pray::angel::angel: I feel entitled, I've never met a Saint Before (at least on TOTV)

[Allegiance]

I think a main reason most moved here is because of the deed restrictions, either knowingly or subconsciously due to the beauty it provides.

Notwithstanding, many people who complain are jerks and personally I hope the developer stays in control forever as these would be the same jerks that will try to take control and create a disaster.

[DonH57]

Deed restrictions to maintain standards are fine,
but the current system, because it is complaint driven,
does not apply/enforce compliance uniformly.

I personally know there are many, many homes
in The Villages that have landscaping that is not compliant,
but they do not have a PIA neighbor!

I agree.The other problem is All different districts have different restrictions at the time they were built plus anyone who has time driving the all over the villages looking for these violations should have stayed employed or take up another hobby. I seriously believe those folks have some deep rooted issues. I barely have time to look around my own neighborhood, nor will I. I have hobbys.:D

[mulligan]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

Perhaps if you read your covenants, you would catch on.

[crash]

I agree.The other problem is All different districts have different restrictions at the time they were built plus anyone who has time driving the all over the villages looking for these violations should have stayed employed or take up another hobby. I seriously believe those folks have some deep rooted issues. I barely have time to look around my own neighborhood, nor will I. I have hobbys.:D

Driving around is nothing compared to those who use Google earth to look for violations. The too many golf carts for example.

It is not the deed restrictions but the people who think they are the deed restriction police. If you want rules enforced then you need to have it done uniformly.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

The problem is: the next guy will want cut outs of Snow White on his lawn and then the next guy will want to bury his favorite caddy in his front yard. Now what do you think?

[Gpsma]

Deed restrictions should be in place to keep homeowners from turning their homes into some garish monstrosity and not there for some nosy old busybody to play restriction enforcer.

Speed laws are in place to keep traffic at some safe speed and not for a police officer to write tickets because you went a mile over the speed limit.

I'd venture a guess that all those commenting that there are deed restrictions and someone should have read them didn't bother reading the traffic code before they sped out of their driveway this morning

[mdeverew]

Why complain about anything when we live in Paradise. Of course. there's always a complainer in every crowd. I have a white cross in my yard & I'm very proud to call myself a Christian.

[karostay]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.


They have no purpose in life and nothing better to do.

[Jima64]

Guess restrictions are okay as long as they aren't inforced against you or me.

[perrjojo]

I lived in a community of 1400 homes and the management monitored the violations. It was very time consuming and costly. If you would like to add that salary to your amenity fee, then do away with the annoumous complaint systems.

[graciegirl]

What some consider an improvement may not be viewed the same by everyone. We all signed the deed restrictions, why do some believe they don't mean anything? Doesn't matter what you put in your yard it will probably offend someone so just follow the deed restrictions for your area and then everyone will coexist peacefully.

I agree.

Deed restrictions are part of the reason that many have chosen their homes here. Deed restrictions keep folks from storing their son's car just off the driveway, and keeps the fat bend over lady wood cut-outs from springing up here and there. Deed restrictions allow a Mezuzah or Cross on your door but not in your yard. Deed restrictions stop neighbors from being so creative that it lowers your own property values. It is wonderful that we all believe our own children and yards to be beautiful, but sadly some are not. Abstract art in a myriad of colors with flashing lights may not be properly appreciated by folks who live nearby with more traditional taste.

Deed restrictions keep things lovely for all of us. Anonymous reporting allow people who are not pleased to voice their complaint without being identified. Some call them yard Nazi's. I don't. I would. I have.

[Mikeod]

It's interesting that those who report deed restriction violations are deemed "unfriendly" while those that either intentionally or unintentionally violate the restrictions are not.

I lived in a community with CC&Rs, i.e., restrictions tied to the property. We had a couple of homeowners who chose to ignore them and were called on it. They were informed of who reported it and the result was a chilling effect on neighbor relations. But whose fault was it? The reporter or the person who knowingly ignored the rules?

I understand the concern about someone who would drive around TV looking for violations. But how hard is it to read and understand the restrictions you agreed to when you purchased your home. Then follow them. Ignoring these is a slippery slope. I believe there is a legal concept that holds if you ignore a violation repeatedly over a period of time, that restriction becomes invalid. Simply understand the rules, follow them, and if reported, comply. They are not oppressive.

[DonH57]

Driving around is nothing compared to those who use Google earth to look for violations. The too many golf carts for example.

It is not the deed restrictions but the people who think they are the deed restriction police. If you want rules enforced then you need to have it done uniformly.

Never thought of using google earth. Maybe that's what's going on with all the drones lately. Scattergun take care of that problem.:22yikes::evil6:

[Barefoot]

What some consider an improvement may not be viewed the same by everyone. We all signed the deed restrictions, why do some believe they don't mean anything? Doesn't matter what you put in your yard it will probably offend someone so just follow the deed restrictions for your area and then everyone will coexist peacefully.
:agree: It's so easy to comply.

[vintageogauge]

who is the bad guy here. The violator or the complainer. Simple fix, no violations, no complaints. I also don't feel that those who complain are a PITA, however I do feel that those that violate are a PITA when they start crying about getting caught. I have had complaints filed against me over the years for things that I did not know were not allowed, I merely corrected the situation and went on with life, I was wrong and had no ill fillings against the neighbor that complained, I was the bad guy and deserved the notice.

[crash]

I lived in a community of 1400 homes and the management monitored the violations. It was very time consuming and costly. If you would like to add that salary to your amenity fee, then do away with the annoumous complaint systems.

You already have that it is the architecture committee and community watch let them do it.

[njbchbum]

:agree: It's so easy to comply.

Well said! I have read many of the deed restrictions in the various areas of the Villages and do not understand how compliance is so difficult for some!

[DonH57]

You already have that it is the architecture committee and community watch let them do it.

Which they should be doing to begin with.:agree:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

If anonymous complaining were forbidden, this forum would only have a couple of dozen members.

[perrjojo]

If anonymous complaining were forbidden, this forum would only have a couple of dozen members.
Now that's funny.

[graciegirl]

Now that's funny.

I like his brand of humor.

He's deep. ;)

[perrjojo]

You already have that it is the architecture committee and community watch let them do it.
True but if Community watchnreprted every violation and then paper work was done for notification and follow up it would add many more hours to the payroll.

[Jdmiata]

Too many complainers in TV. Perhaps it's an old people's thing ?

[EPutnam1863]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

If they know it is against the rules to put ornaments on their lawns, why are they doing it?

[Nucky]

What We got here is a failure to communicate. Some neighbors you just can't reach. What a shame. I guess these encroachments were valid but when you see them it just didn't make sense for either to have to be remediated. You just never know.

[JoMar]

Usually those that complain are your neighbors since they have to live there. The only drive around complaints I have heard about are the sales guy who are trying to sell houses. Depending on the violation those properties can impact the sale price of homes. As was posted earlier, it's really easy to comply with you what you agreed to when you bought.

[twoplanekid]

Too many complainers in TV. Perhaps it's an old people's thing ?

I went to eat at a TV Country Club the other night to notice that about 20% or more of the properties along the road had birds in them that will never fly. I am pleased that most pass on the opportunity to object. This was in a newer area with younger people. The times they are a-changin?

[Bonny]

We bought in the Village of Santiago in 1999. The deed restrictions there were minimal. We were selling our home there in 2004 to move to BonnyBrook. My next door neighbor had a gazing ball, a broken fountain, several gnomes that had peeling paint and some of them broken, a freestanding arbor covered with dead vines. Trust me, it was not pretty, especially when trying to sell your house !!!
On the next street, one of my friends had a stop light on one of those stand up poles and a couple of pink flamingos.
Thank goodness for the deed restrictions in BonnyBrook!!!
People moved here knowing there were restrictions and they should follow the rules. Don't like restrictions, lots of other places to live.
Just sayin'.

[trichard]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

What difference does it make how the violation is reported. Read your restrictive covenants and follow the rules. Most of us do!

[Fredster]

What difference does it make how the violation is reported. Read your restrictive covenants and follow the rules. Most of us do!

It makes a big difference, because violations are not enforced on a uniform basis.
If there are deed restriction violations,
they are only enforced if a complaint is made.
The system is complaint driven, and I
was told that by a deed restriction enforcer.
So the end result is, that there are many violations in The Villages that complaints are not made about.
I can drive around my Village and almost better than 25% homes have landscaping not in compliance.
I don't complain for many reasons, the violations are not ugly,
I like my neighbors, and in the big scheme of life they are not a big deal.

[manaboutown]

Well, one could always just park a pink flamingo or other decorative golf cart in their driveway to get around not being able to set similarly appearing items in their front yard. free pink flamingo golf cart photo - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=free+pink+flamingo+golf+cart+photo&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4zb3H1qzUAhUPyWMKHRU0DHgQ7AkIQA&biw=1280&bih=738#imgrc=3wJCUrafirGgfM:)

[Bonny]

I guess I don't get it when people complain about people complaining.
If people just followed the rules, there wouldn't be any complaining about anyone complaining. :D :beer3:

[trichard]

It makes a big difference, because violations are not enforced on a uniform basis.
If there are deed restriction violations,
they are only enforced if a complaint is made.
The system is complaint driven, and I
was told that by a deed restriction enforcer.
So the end result is, that there are many violations in The Villages that complaints are not made about.
I can drive around my Village and almost better than 25% homes have landscaping not in compliance.
I don't complain for many reasons, the violations are not ugly,
I like my neighbors, and in the big scheme of life they are not a big deal.

So what. Follow the rules. You can report violations after you ride around!

[Carl in Tampa]

Little Houses by Malvina Reynolds

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.


:shocked:

[EPutnam1863]

Why complain about anything when we live in Paradise. Of course. there's always a complainer in every crowd. I have a white cross in my yard & I'm very proud to call myself a Christian.

If it is ok for one to put a white cross in his front yard, then it should be ok for every Christian to put a white cross in his front yard, every Jew to put a Star of David in his front yard, every Buddhist to put a statue of Buddha in his front yard, etc. Hey, fair is fair.

[Fredster]

So what. Follow the rules. You can report violations after you ride around!

I don't think you understood what I wrote!
And I'll leave up to you to report people.

[Fredster]

If it is ok for one to put a white cross in his front yard, then it should be ok for every Christian to put a white cross in his front yard, every Jew to put a Star of David in his front yard, every Buddhist to put a statue of Buddha in his front yard, etc. Hey, fair is fair.

Almost every Patio Villa has a series of white crosses in front of it.
Only it's called a picket fence!

[perrjojo]

I guess I don't get it when people complain about people complaining.
If people just followed the rules, there wouldn't be any complaining about anyone complaining. :D :beer3:
But then what would we do? Oh, cards, billiards, tennis, golf, pickleball, shuffleboard, swim and 2459 other things that we can do in TV.

[Carl in Tampa]

So what. Follow the rules. You can report violations after you ride around!

Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules.

(With apologies to the Bandito in Treasure of the Sierra Madre.)

[Bonny]

Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules.

(With apologies to the Bandito in Treasure of the Sierra Madre.)
I'm kind of looking at the first picture. I see a few good ideas.
Hope my fellow Villagers will be okay with the beauty in my yard. :a20: :1rotfl:

[DonH57]

Everyone should have a painted giant cow. Excellent reuse of toilets as well.

[OldManTime]

Why is it that "the friendliest home town" has so many stupid complaints from " anonymous " people that love to complain, , but don't have the nerve to just talk to the person they are complaining about. So many of the complaints are so rediculocus they are sad. As long as people keep their yards and house looking nice, what is the problem with having a cross in their yard or a statue of a bird. Come on people,they are trying to make improvements to make it better looking. Cut us all some slack and get a hobby and stop all the complaining.

Until homeowners read and understand the Deed restrictions, there will be no complaints. Ignorance is no excuse to break the rules.

[trichard]

Until homeowners read and understand the Deed restrictions, there will be no complaints. Ignorance is no excuse to break the rules.

Agree!

[Miles42]

nature of the key board cowards

[Fredster]

Rules? We don't need no stinkin' rules.

(With apologies to the Bandito in Treasure of the Sierra Madre.)

Those are some really great ideas....thanks Carl!

[dbussone]

The lady should have been entitled to some legal recourse since the property was sold in that condition. The driveway rework should have been paid by the authority that allowed the sale to go forward and approved. It should not have come out of her pocket. Totally unacceptable title and deed was processed and she paid the price.



My wife and I were discussing this yesterday. It seems to me that the realtor and prior owner might be liable for failure to disclose a change made to the property. I'm no attorney though. Anyone have an opinion?


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[Nucky]

My wife and I were discussing this yesterday. It seems to me that the realtor and prior owner might be liable for failure to disclose a change made to the property. I'm no attorney though. Anyone have an opinion?


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I asked the question to a local lawyer during the free consultation before you hire the attorney and found out that nothing survives closing of title. It was so nice to close for next to nothing as we are in the habit of paying big bucks for NJ closings. I had my NJ lawyer look at our contract and he said it looked good as it did to me so I went ahead and closed at the Title Company.

I will never ever do it again because paying for a lawyer, a good one helps me sleep. I did kick the subject around on TOTV and the stature of people who went through many closing lawyerless was staggering. Never again for us. Lawyer, Survey, no skimping.:posting::BigApplause:

What happened to these people is terrible. The repair job on the person with the driveway problem is perfect but unnecessary.

[dbussone]

I asked the question to a local lawyer during the free consultation before you hire the attorney and found out that nothing survives closing of title. It was so nice to close for next to nothing as we are in the habit of paying big bucks for NJ closings. I had my NJ lawyer look at our contract and he said it looked good as it did to me so I went ahead and closed at the Title Company.

I will never ever do it again because paying for a lawyer, a good one helps me sleep. I did kick the subject around on TOTV and the stature of people who went through many closing lawyerless was staggering. Never again for us. Lawyer, Survey, no skimping.:posting::BigApplause:

What happened to these people is terrible. The repair job on the person with the driveway problem is perfect but unnecessary.



We bought a new home. On the advice of our TV agent we did not purchase Title Insurance. However, we did have a survey done. So far, after 5 years of ownership, and 4 trips to the ARC, all has gone very well.


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[ColdNoMore]

We bought a new home. On the advice of our TV agent we did not purchase Title Insurance. However, we did have a survey done. So far, after 5 years of ownership, and 4 trips to the ARC, all has gone very well.


I have purchased 9 homes in my life (this is the last) and while I only used an attorney once (didn't really need her as it turned out)...I personally would never think of not getting title insurance.

Recognizing of course, that on 5 of those it was required... because there was a mortgage.

I have a pretty high comfort level on most things...but not quite that high when it comes to this.

Good for you though, that it hasn't been necessary. :thumbup:


Here's a good 'Pro Vs. Con' on doing it.

Buying a Home: Do You Need Title Insurance? | SmartAsset.com (https://smartasset.com/mortgage/buying-a-home-do-you-need-title-insurance)

[perrjojo]

We bought a new home. On the advice of our TV agent we did not purchase Title Insurance. However, we did have a survey done. So far, after 5 years of ownership, and 4 trips to the ARC, all has gone very well.


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My daughter has been a mortgage banker for 30 years. Her advise to us was , title insurance is expensive and rarely needed but when on occasion you need it...you really, really need it. Why take a chance?

[twoplanekid]

My daughter has been a mortgage banker for 30 years. Her advise to us was , title insurance is expensive and rarely needed but when on occasion you need it...you really, really need it. Why take a chance?

My lawyer friend back in Ohio offered that same advice to me. So, I purchased title insurance.

[dbussone]

I have purchased 9 homes in my life (this is the last) and while I only used an attorney once (didn't really need her as it turned out)...I personally would never think of not getting title insurance.

Recognizing of course, that on 5 of those it was required... because there was a mortgage.

I have a pretty high comfort level on most things...but not quite that high when it comes to this.

Good for you though, that it hasn't been necessary. :thumbup:


Here's a good 'Pro Vs. Con' on doing it.

Buying a Home: Do You Need Title Insurance? | SmartAsset.com (https://smartasset.com/mortgage/buying-a-home-do-you-need-title-insurance)



We've had 12 homes and built 8 of them. All except this one had title insurance. If I was buying a resale in TV I would definitely get title insurance.

You can do a lot of research online these days. The developer had clear title to the land my house is on and the title passed to us through the deed. At least that's the way I looked at it. I'm sure some will look at this as a reckless act.


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[Challenger]

We've had 12 homes and built 8 of them. All except this one had title insurance. If I was buying a resale in TV I would definitely get title insurance.

You can do a lot of research online these days. The developer had clear title to the land my house is on and the title passed to us through the deed. At least that's the way I looked at it. I'm sure some will look at this as a reckless act.


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To state categorically that "the Developer" has clear title is an opinion not necessarily a fact. There is no way to definitively know the answer to that question . There are several threads on this site that deal with this issue, but most of the posts are written by people who have no professional experience on the issue. Please consult with an attorney who specializes in the sale and transfer of real property before making a decision on buying title insurance.

[Moderator]

The topic of this thread is complaints about deed restrictions. Please return to that topic. You are welcome to start a thread about the pros and cons of title insurance if you desire.

Thank you.

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