Oak trees being cut down by the Morse's

[capecoralbill]

In the other online news, Villages-newsdotcom, Permits were issued to cut down the Live Oaks at 1304 Debra Dr
Lady Lake, on the Historic side. My god, haven't they decimated Central Florida enough?

[fred53]

Their land, their trees. Personally I don't think they decimated anything, but I'll leave it to those who know nothing about forestry to rant and rave.

[Nucky]

I am almost certain that the trees were in terrible condition. I noticed some very shabby trees on a lot being prepared for a new home. I wouldn't buy a new home with them there. I notice that a high percentage of trees are saved when an old unit is taken out. They seem to be very respectful of the trees and the neighbors when they build.

[Carl in Tampa]

Trees are a renewable resource.

One good forest fire in California destroys more trees than there are in the entire The Villages. It's not the end of the world. More trees grow.

I have been the victim of planting an oak tree and several years later being told by the local government that although it is on my land and I planted it, I do not have the authority to cut it down, even if it threatens my house.

I am personally fed up with unthinking and unreasonable tree hugging.

I am confident that if the Morse's are cutting down oak trees, they had good reason AND they received the proper permission from local government.

Enough of this Morse bashing.

[dbussone]

I am almost certain that the trees were in terrible condition. I noticed some very shabby trees on a lot being prepared for a new home. I wouldn't buy a new home with them there. I notice that a high percentage of trees are saved when an old unit is taken out. They seem to be very respectful of the trees and the neighbors when they build.



Well said.


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[dbussone]

Trees are a renewable resource.



One good forest fire in California destroys more trees than there are in the entire The Villages. It's not the end of the world. More trees grow.



I have been the victim of planting an oak tree and several years later being told by the local government that although it is on my land and I planted it, I do not have the authority to cut it down, even if it threatens my house.



I am personally fed up with unthinking and unreasonable tree hugging.



I am confident that if the Morse's are cutting down oak trees, they had good reason AND they received the proper permission from local government.



Enough of this Morse bashing.



Carl - we appreciate your wisdom and forthright comments. Couldn't have said it better.


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[JoMar]

In the other online news, Villages-newsdotcom, Permits were issued to cut down the Live Oaks at 1304 Debra Dr
Lady Lake, on the Historic side. My god, haven't they decimated Central Florida enough?

If you lived here you would feel differently unless of course you do and feel that since you have yours it's time for them to stop.

[Topspinmo]

if Spanish moss get bad enough it will smother the leaves, without enough leave the tree will loose it branches and eventually die, might take awhile but sooner or later some succumb to the parasite. with all the taxes the developer bring into the counties they pretty much get there way most of the time. just got to jump through few legal hoops.

[graciegirl]

Oak trees really grow fast. We took a ride though Hadley last week and oak trees there have grown significantly in nine years.

I don't know that those oak trees you are concerned with that some claim are from Civil War era is legitimate, but I don't get all weepy over trees.

But we all have our passions.

[Topspinmo]

Oak trees really grow fast. We took a ride though Hadley last week and oak trees there have grown significantly in nine years.

I don't know that those oak trees you are concerned with that some claim are from Civil War era is legitimate, but I don't get all weepy over trees.

But we all have our passions.

Hard wood trees usually are slow growers compared to soft wood trees. Oaks are pretty hard on the hardness scale, some can live over 1000 years under the right conditions and no pest, parasite invasion, or man around to cut them down.

[Doctommft]

if Spanish moss get bad enough it will smother the leaves, without enough leave the tree will loose it branches and eventually die, might take awhile but sooner or later some succumb to the parasite. with all the taxes the developer bring into the counties they pretty much get there way most of the time. just got to jump through few legal hoops.

I have seen crews thinning the moss and wondered. Thanks for the info.

[Carl in Tampa]

if Spanish moss get bad enough it will smother the leaves, without enough leave the tree will loose it branches and eventually die, might take awhile but sooner or later some succumb to the parasite. with all the taxes the developer bring into the counties they pretty much get there way most of the time. just got to jump through few legal hoops.

Correct in most respects, except that Spanish Moss is not a parasite. It is a bromeliad—a perennial herb in the pineapple family. Most bromeliads, including Spanish moss, are epiphytes. Epiphytes grow on other plants, but do not rely on them for nutrients. They take nutrients from the air and debris that collects on the plant.

Topspinmo is correct that Spanish Moss can become so thick on a tree that it shades the leaves to the point that it blocks photosynthesis. Then the tree can become stressed and subject to disease.

Back before tree trimming became a major industry in Florida, it was commonplace to have people going door to door and offering to remove the overload of Spanish Moss from your trees for a nominal price. Some did not even climb the tree, but pulled the moss down with very long cane poles.

High school kids did it in Tampa to get spending money.

Regarding the last remark, if I had my way the Morse family could do what they chose with the trees on their property, so they could develop it as they saw fit, with no need for any permits from anyone. I guess it's just my Libertarian side coming to the surface.

[mulligan]

if Spanish moss get bad enough it will smother the leaves, without enough leave the tree will loose it branches and eventually die, might take awhile but sooner or later some succumb to the parasite. with all the taxes the developer bring into the counties they pretty much get there way most of the time. just got to jump through few legal hoops.

"Spanish Moss" is neither spanish, nor moss, nor a parasite. Google it

[Topspinmo]

If it ant the tree it's free loader, we all know about free loaders:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[golfing eagles]

Their land, their trees. Personally I don't think they decimated anything, but I'll leave it to those who know nothing about forestry to rant and rave.

Would those be the same trees that we, as residents, are NOT allowed to cut down?????

[graciegirl]

In the other online news, Villages-newsdotcom, Permits were issued to cut down the Live Oaks at 1304 Debra Dr
Lady Lake, on the Historic side. My god, haven't they decimated Central Florida enough?

Here is what I found about tree removal in Lake County where this is;

http://www.lakecountyfl.gov/pdfs/growth_management/zoning_customer_service/brochures/residential_tree_protection.pdf

[Polar Bear]

Anybody can cut down any tree IF you get the proper permit(s).

And for a developer to cut down healthy trees in Florida means providing extensive "compensation"...which is almost always planting additional trees (on an inch-per-inch basis, not one-for-one), contributing to a tree bank fund, making other on-site environment improvements, and other such things.

Development and maintenance of TV is not simply decimating central Florida.

[Topspinmo]

Anybody can cut down any tree IF you get the proper permit(s).

And for a developer to cut down healthy trees in Florida means providing extensive "compensation"...which is almost always planting additional trees (on an inch-per-inch basis, not one-for-one), contributing to a tree bank fund, making other on-site environment improvements, and other such things.

Development and maintenance of TV is not simply decimating central Florida.
:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Rare form me:a20::o but I agree with you.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If I had my way, every one of these dirty live oaks within 100 yards of a home would be taken down.

There are plenty of other varieties of trees that will give good shade and offer beauty without making the mess that these things make.

Let them stand in parks but they should not be anywhere near where people live.

[vintageogauge]

They have most likely planted many times more than they have cut down.

[ajbrown]

I certainly wish my last name was Morse so I could get rid of the one in my front yard.

Can be beautiful trees on an acre of land... on my postage stamp front yard, pure lunacy for whoever put it in...

I was ignorant as to how big they got when I bought the home or I would have cut it down in the first week. Still a chance it could get a disease or blown over by a storm and cut up :evil6:

[Polar Bear]

I know oak trees are often planted too close to homes, driveways, etc. But I'll never understand the hatred for properly planted one's. I've had...and loved...oak trees in every home I've owned. My favorite tree.

As with many things in life, opinions vary greatly. :)

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I wonder which Morses will be wielding the axes. I am easily star struck and would pay to watch them don hard hats and plaid flannel shirts to chop away or maybe use two man buck saws to dispatch the oaks. Anyway, being an optimist, I see potentially positive outcomes. Perhaps the Morses will use the oak to smoke some awesome Kobe brisket or perhaps it will become barrels for aging fine Double Malt Whiskey that only the likes of the Morses and Chatbrat can afford. Perhaps the home to be built on this site will one day be inherited by a young person who will use the proceeds to attend medical school and ultimately discover a remedy for male pattern baldness or cottage cheese thighs.

[2BNTV]

My next door neighbor has a humongous oak tree that craps up the street at certain times of the year. He claims it was very small when he moved here 18 years ago.

Frankly, he too cheap to spend the money to trim or cut it down. I wish the Morse family would pay him a visit as his tree is one pain in the oak. :D

BTW - Who can complain about the Morse family as they make many improvements to keep TV beautiful.

[trichard]

Cut them down! It's their land. If you want to save the trees, buy the land yourself.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Some light arboreal reading. Even Eisenhower couldn't get a tree cut down. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower_Tree)

[graciegirl]

Cut them down! It's their land. If you want to save the trees, buy the land yourself.

That says it perfectly.:coolsmiley:

[buzzy]

Can't the trees be relocated to the shore of Lake Miona, where the residents will appreciate the view?

[ColdNoMore]

Can't the trees be relocated to the shore of Lake Miona, where the residents will appreciate the view?

:22yikes:


:boom:


:1rotfl:

[Carl in Tampa]

Anybody can cut down any tree IF you get the proper permit(s).

And for a developer to cut down healthy trees in Florida means providing extensive "compensation"...which is almost always planting additional trees (on an inch-per-inch basis, not one-for-one), contributing to a tree bank fund, making other on-site environment improvements, and other such things.

Development and maintenance of TV is not simply decimating central Florida.

:agree:

The same is true for "wetlands." There are times when a developer needs to fill in a minor wetland to make the property appropriate for development. The developer then "mitigates" the damage by establishing another wetland nearby. This is closely regulated and overseen by the government.

I wonder if the poster who spoke of the Morse family as "decimating central Florida" has ever taken a drive up Highway 42 into the magnificent and extensive Ocala National Forest. This 607 square mile forest contains over 600 lakes and ponds, and receives more visitors than any other national forest in Florida.

A visit there will dispel any thoughts that the Morse family is in a position to damage the central Florida ecosystem.

[Carl in Tampa]

I know oak trees are often planted too close to homes, driveways, etc. But I'll never understand the hatred for properly planted one's. I've had...and loved...oak trees in every home I've owned. My favorite tree.

As with many things in life, opinions vary greatly. :)

Many dislike oaks because they are allergic to oak pollen. And, in the pollen season, the oak trees shed prolific amounts of pollen, making people miserable.

The "golden dust" of oak pollen can mask the true color of cars on which they settle. They can make sidewalks and driveways look like the Wizard of Oz's "yellow brick road."

THAT is why many people hate oak trees.

[Polar Bear]

Many dislike oaks because they are allergic to oak pollen. And, in the pollen season, the oak trees shed prolific amounts of pollen, making people miserable.

The "golden dust" of oak pollen can mask the true color of cars on which they settle. They can make sidewalks and driveways look like the Wizard of Oz's "yellow brick road."

THAT is why many people hate oak trees.
Fortunately for me, I've never seen THAT as anything but a minor annoyance.

[Carl in Tampa]

Fortunately for me, I've never seen THAT as anything but a minor annoyance.

Well, good for you.

However, you said, "I'll never understand the hatred for properly planted one's."

And, I explained the reason.

To you it is a minor annoyance; others find it quite debilitating, often requiring the intervention of a physician in order to cope with it.

[Polar Bear]

Well, good for you.

However, you said, "I'll never understand the hatred for properly planted one's."

And, I explained the reason.

To you it is a minor annoyance; others find it quite debilitating, often requiring the intervention of a physician in order to cope with it.
I am (and was) aware of the allergy/pollen issues. And I sympathize. I was addressing folks who don't like oaks and their given reasons have nothing to do with allergies/pollen.

Your 'THAT...' remark just seemed a little snooty and condescending. So I responded in kind. :)

[Carl in Tampa]

I am (and was) aware of the allergy/pollen issues. And I sympathize. I was addressing folks who don't like oaks and their given reasons have nothing to do with allergies/pollen.

Your 'THAT...' remark just seemed a little snooty and condescending. So I responded in kind. :)

The THAT was just to emphasize the point of the sentence. No condescending intended. Let's not get off to a bad start.

I take words quite literally. When you said you would "never understand," there was no exclusion for people with allergies.

“I always prefer to believe the best of everybody; it saves so much trouble”
― Rudyard Kipling

[Polar Bear]

The THAT was just to emphasize the point of the sentence. No condescending intended. Let's not get off to a bad start.

I take words quite literally. When you said you would "never understand," there was no exclusion for people with allergies...
Fair enough. I don't want to get off to a bad start either. :)

And I will admit I will often play with words a bit, not always taking them...or intending them to be taken...100% literally.

[CFrance]

Wow. I didn't know that yellow stuff was all oak pollen. I thought it was coming from everywhere. Interesting tidbit to learn. I'm very glad I don't have allergies and feel for those that do. Our black cars have frequently turned yellow.

[Polar Bear]

Wow. I didn't know that yellow stuff was all oak pollen. I thought it was coming from everywhere. Interesting tidbit to learn. I'm very glad I don't have allergies and feel for those that do. Our black cars have frequently turned yellow.
It's not all from oak trees. All flowering plants and trees produce pollen. Oak trees are just one of the major culprits. :)

[CFrance]

It's not all from oak trees. All flowering plants and trees produce pollen. Oak trees are just one of the major culprits. :)
Not to get too far off topic, but is all pollen yellow? Up north we used to get white stuff flying all over the place in the spring. It looked like whispy cottony snowflakes.

[Barefoot]

Perhaps the Morses will use the oak to smoke some awesome Kobe brisket or perhaps it will become barrels for aging fine Double Malt Whiskey that only the likes of the Morses and Chatbrat can afford. You are a funny guy. :1rotfl:

Can't the trees be relocated to the shore of Lake Miona, where the residents will appreciate the view?
:evil6:

[NotGolfer]

Not to get too far off topic, but is all pollen yellow? Up north we used to get white stuff flying all over the place in the spring. It looked like whispy cottony snowflakes.

THAT would have been from Cottonwood trees and also VERY annoying. Those along with the "helicopter" seeds (can't recall the name of the tree) and pollen too. I have pollen allergies, which as I'm aging seems to bring on some asthma type issues. As for cutting trees....I guess none of us would have houses or would be living in communities if trees hadn't been cut down. I think it was stated that new trees would be planted in place of these so I don't see an issue with it...other than the ones to come down are pretty old.

[Carl in Tampa]

Not to get too far off topic, but is all pollen yellow? Up north we used to get white stuff flying all over the place in the spring. It looked like whispy cottony snowflakes.

A white pollen that once brought me to the Urgent Care doctor in central Texas is from a tree called the Texas Mountain Cedar tree (although it is actually a laurel.) Twenty percent of Texans are affected by this pollen.

After the pollen blooms, gusts of wind blow this pollen from the tree in great clouds.

[manaboutown]

A white pollen that once brought me to the Urgent Care doctor in central Texas is from a tree called the Texas Mountain Cedar tree (although it is actually a laurel.) Twenty percent of Texans are affected by this pollen.

After the pollen blooms, gusts of wind blow this pollen from the tree in great clouds.

Texans I know call it "Cedar Fever". I experienced it in Austin. In New Mexico windblown indigenous Juniper pollen, which is yellow, coats everything in the spring. Also the non indigenous female Cottonwood trees there which grow mostly along riverbanks produce white cottony blizzards about this time of year. Siberian Elm trees planted all over the state by then Governor Clyde Tingley in the 1930's in the Spring produce sail like seeds which seem to enter every possible crevice and produce fast growing saplings in seemingly no time at all. (I once heard he thought he was getting Chinese Elm trees. He was not an educated man.) I guess every region contains nuisance vegetation of some sort.

Didn't Tumbleweeds (Russian Thistle) get into the USA in a shipment of wheat from Russia or by Russian immigrants back in 1873?

[CFrance]

Someone made a good point about new trees. The first house we built (in '73), had a scraped bare lot. We put in two trees and moved four years later. In 2008 my DIL and I went back there to see where her husband/our son grew up. Our two spindly young trees were gone, but several huge trees were in their place. It is beautiful.

Not every live oak is worth saving. Many that are have some sort of protection.

[Carl in Tampa]

Texans I know call it "Cedar Fever". I experienced it in Austin. In New Mexico windblown indigenous Juniper pollen, which is yellow, coats everything in the spring. Also the non indigenous female Cottonwood trees there which grow mostly along riverbanks produce white cottony blizzards about this time of year. Siberian Elm trees planted all over the state by then Governor Clyde Tingley in the 1930's in the Spring produce sail like seeds which seem to enter every possible crevice and produce fast growing saplings in seemingly no time at all. (I once heard he thought he was getting Chinese Elm trees. He was not an educated man.) I guess every region contains nuisance vegetation of some sort.

Didn't Tumbleweeds (Russian Thistle) get into the USA in a shipment of wheat from Russia or by Russian immigrants back in 1873?

Austin is the Center of the Mountain Cedar (Juniper) pollen area which extends down toward San Antonio and up toward Dallas. I was in New Braunfels when it struck me down.

When I lived in San Antonio, I lived near a very large city park (San Pedro Park) which contained a lot of Cottonwood trees. I was never troubled by the white clouds of floating seeds that they expelled. I actually thought it was pretty.