Impeach Bondi? Gun Fail

[blueash]

Pam Bondi, the AG of the state tasked with defending our laws in court missed a court deadline to defend a law that

By shielding gun-owning patients and families from discrimination, unnecessary harassment, and bad-faith, irrelevant inquiries and record-keeping, the act narrowly advances the state's compelling interests in protecting the fundamental right to keep and bear arms from private encumbrances, safeguarding patient privacy, eliminating barriers to health care, and preventing discrimination and harassment in the provision of health care services

This law had already been found constitutional by a court and then unconstitutional by another. So it needed to be appealed to protect gun owners from discrimination and harassment. The bill was strongly supported by the NRA.

Missed a deadline? How is that possible? Bondi had previously indicated she was prepared to go to the Supreme Court (http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/09/injunction-blocking-doctor-patient-gun-law-lifted-by-11th-circuit-court-of-appeals/)to defend this law.

Then she missed a deadline to file the appeal! Incompetency and maybe legal malpractice in that she failed to defend her client, the State of Florida.

[graciegirl]

Pam Bondi, the AG of the state tasked with defending our laws in court missed a court deadline to defend a law that

By shielding gun-owning patients and families from discrimination, unnecessary harassment, and bad-faith, irrelevant inquiries and record-keeping, the act narrowly advances the state's compelling interests in protecting the fundamental right to keep and bear arms from private encumbrances, safeguarding patient privacy, eliminating barriers to health care, and preventing discrimination and harassment in the provision of health care services

This law had already been found constitutional by a court and then unconstitutional by another. So it needed to be appealed to protect gun owners from discrimination and harassment. The bill was strongly supported by the NRA.

Missed a deadline? How is that possible? Bondi had previously indicated she was prepared to go to the Supreme Court (http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/09/injunction-blocking-doctor-patient-gun-law-lifted-by-11th-circuit-court-of-appeals/)to defend this law.

Then she missed a deadline to file the appeal! Incompetency and maybe legal malpractice in that she failed to defend her client, the State of Florida.

Oh come on now Doc. I doubt you are in her corner. You make it sound like you support owning guns but I doubt it. I would be mightily surprised.

As you might recall I don't own a gun, never felt the need but I would like to keep the option open. Times my friend are a changin'. Keeping up with what group wants what other group dead is even harder these days.

I liked it when the good guys wore white hats.

[Don Baldwin]

Oh come on now Doc. I doubt you are in her corner. You make it sound like you support owning guns but I doubt it. I would be mightily surprised.

As you might recall I don't own a gun, never felt the need but I would like to keep the option open. Times my friend are a changin'. Keeping up with what group wants what other group dead is even hard these days.

I liked it when the good guys wore white hats.

The times ARE changing...demographics are changing...our world ranking is changing. We drop more and more...each year, lower than the year before. From #1 to #25. The minorities...they want "us" dead. But they sure want all the cool stuff we invented.

I liked it better when America was full of good white guys...now there aren't so many good white guys left. Only 25% of the population is white men now. THAT is WHY America is failing, getting worse, and not better. The drivers of success and innovation are dying off...white men.

[graciegirl]

The times ARE changing...demographics are changing...our world ranking is changing. We drop more and more...each year, lower than the year before. From #1 to #25. The minorities...they want "us" dead. But they sure want all the cool stuff we invented.

I liked it better when America was full of good white guys...now there aren't so many good white guys left. Only 25% of the population is white men now. THAT is WHY America is failing, getting worse, and not better. The drivers of success and innovation are dying off...white men.

Don. You are tiresome. NOW is when you live with the world's population as it is. Try to accept folks who live on this earth as they are, and we will TRY to accept YOU as you are. Ain't gonna be easy.

[blueash]

Oh come on now Doc. I doubt you are in her corner. You make it sound like you support owning guns but I doubt it. I would be mightily surprised.

As you might recall I don't own a gun, never felt the need but I would like to keep the option open. Times my friend are a changin'. Keeping up with what group wants what other group dead is even hard these days.

I liked it when the good guys wore white hats.

Oh come now Gracie. I never said I was or was not in her corner. I pointed out what her job is, and that she failed to do it on a law she spent tens or hundreds of thousands in our tax dollars defending. A law she said was both constitutional and needed and then she missed a filing deadline to continue that battle, as she promised all the way to the SCOTUS.

So instead of attacking me, show me where my description of what she did was in error. And explain what a great job she did with the handling of the appeal deadline. And why she should not be held accountable for her actions.

By the way, even in the "old days" good guys wore black hats. See Paladin and Hopalong as famous examples. And you have no idea what my position is on gun ownership, this law was about gun safety and free speech. I support both of those.

[dbussone]

Don. You are tiresome. NOW is when you live with the world's population as it is. Try to accept folks who live on this earth as they are, and we will TRY to accept YOU as you are. Ain't gonna be easy.



Impossible for me. He's an intolerant race baiter. He'd be better off working on his website: Stormfront - White Nationalist Community <meta name="sitelock-site-verification" content="3053"/> (http://www.stormfront.org) He can find his "own kind" there.


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[graciegirl]

Oh come now Gracie. I never said I was or was not in her corner. I pointed out what her job is, and that she failed to do it on a law she spent tens or hundreds of thousands in our tax dollars defending. A law she said was both constitutional and needed and then she missed a filing deadline to continue that battle, as she promised all the way to the SCOTUS.

So instead of attacking me, show me where my description of what she did was in error. And explain what a great job she did with the handling of the appeal deadline. And why she should not be held accountable for her actions.

By the way, even in the "old days" good guys wore black hats. See Paladin and Hopalong as famous examples. And you have no idea what my position is on gun ownership, this law was about gun safety and free speech. I support both of those.

No blue, you didn't say if you were or were not for her. You made it "Look" like you were and you often introduce controversial tactics in a way that is confusing and masks your real intention.

You are a member of the true one percent and so I think you have a moral responsibility to not trick people not so gifted.

[Don Baldwin]

Don. You are tiresome. NOW is when you live with the world's population as it is. Try to accept folks who live on this earth as they are, and we will TRY to accept YOU as you are. Ain't gonna be easy.

I may be tiresome for you...but your grandchildren will curse you when they find out that you were warned. We tried to tell you that you are losing your country. EVERYTHING changes when they become the majority...everything. You think "discrimination laws" will protect white people? They're ALREADY segregating us...places WE can't go. Days we're not allowed to attend. You just don't get it...

NOW white people are still pretty much in control because we're still the majority. TOMORROW is what I worry about. You're playing checkers...they're playing chess...they're going to destroy "whiteness" because they HATE it because it's f@cking magic to them. BLACKS cannot succeed in a white/asian society...they CAN'T keep up. WHY do you think we NEED lowered standards for them? WHY do they NEED quotas? Because they CAN'T compete on a level playing field. God made them to live in the bush...not a modern civilization. We've got a different set of genes and we're 50,000 years of civilization ahead of them. They are NOT us...it's why they LOOK so different and they ACT so different.

[graciegirl]

I may be tiresome for you...but your grandchildren will curse you when they find out that you were warned. We tried to tell you that you are losing your country. EVERYTHING changes when they become the majority...everything. You think "discrimination laws" will protect white people? They're ALREADY segregating us...places WE can't go. Days we're not allowed to attend. You just don't get it...

NOW white people are still pretty much in control because we're still the majority. TOMORROW is what I worry about. You're playing checkers...they're playing chess...they're going to destroy "whiteness" because they HATE it because it's f@cking magic to them. BLACKS cannot succeed in a white/asian society...they CAN'T keep up. WHY do you think we NEED lowered standards for them? WHY do they NEED quotas? Because they CAN'T compete on a level playing field. God made them to live in the bush...not a modern civilization. We've got a different set of genes and we're 50,000 years of civilization ahead of them. They are NOT us...it's why they LOOK so different and they ACT so different.

You cannot keep change from happening. You cannot keep populations from shifting. All you can do is the best you can according to your own values. You cannot keep children from being born with handicaps, you can't let them just die. People all have strengths and weaknesses. NONE of us is really totally kind and good and most of us are selfish in many ways and the only truly unselfish love is a mother for her child and that is caused by oxytocin. We are as a civilization walking away from religion and that did give us standards even if it caused guilt. If the world becomes each for it's own, there is no use living anyway. We will be like cavemen, like animals.

They aren't like us you say? What do you want to do with these substandards? Kill them? I don't like you Don. Every fiber in my being says you are wrong and dangerous.

[Don Baldwin]

You cannot keep change from happening. You cannot keep populations from shifting. All you can do is the best you can according to your own values. You cannot keep children from being born with handicaps, you can't let them just die. People all have strengths and weaknesses. NONE of us is really totally kind and good and most of us are selfish in many ways and the only truly unselfish love is a mother for her child and that is caused by oxytocin. We are as a civilization walking away from religion and that did give us standards even if it caused guilt. If the world becomes each for it's own, there is no use living anyway. We will be like cavemen, like animals.

They aren't like us you say? What do you want to do with these substandards? Kill them? I don't like you Don. Every fiber in my being says you are wrong and dangerous.

Sure you can...you stop providing for them.

YES...we WILL be like CAVEMEN because we LET the CAVEMEN take over!

I want to STOP them from breeding us out of existence.

Like me or not...I'm not the dangerous one...the 50% of the non-white population are the dangerous ones...especially when they get to be 75%.

[MDLNB]

Pam Bondi, the AG of the state tasked with defending our laws in court missed a court deadline to defend a law that

By shielding gun-owning patients and families from discrimination, unnecessary harassment, and bad-faith, irrelevant inquiries and record-keeping, the act narrowly advances the state's compelling interests in protecting the fundamental right to keep and bear arms from private encumbrances, safeguarding patient privacy, eliminating barriers to health care, and preventing discrimination and harassment in the provision of health care services

This law had already been found constitutional by a court and then unconstitutional by another. So it needed to be appealed to protect gun owners from discrimination and harassment. The bill was strongly supported by the NRA.

Missed a deadline? How is that possible? Bondi had previously indicated she was prepared to go to the Supreme Court (http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/09/injunction-blocking-doctor-patient-gun-law-lifted-by-11th-circuit-court-of-appeals/)to defend this law.

Then she missed a deadline to file the appeal! Incompetency and maybe legal malpractice in that she failed to defend her client, the State of Florida.

Do you have a link to this accusation, or are we supposed to take your word for it? Because the little link you provide is a couple years old.

Impeach is used erroneously quite a bit by the left. This is a perfect example since no crime has been committed. At least, not according to your post. SO, you might want to research some of your verbiage before pushing the post button.

[blueash]

Do you have a link to this accusation, or are we supposed to take your word for it? Because the little link you provide is a couple years old.

Impeach is used erroneously quite a bit by the left. This is a perfect example since no crime has been committed. At least, not according to your post. SO, you might want to research some of your verbiage before pushing the post button.

Ok, reasonable request for a link. I have been told that my posts have too many links and no one follows them so I didn't include one thinking google would do the job.

Here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-docs-vs-glocks-20170612-story.html)

and Here (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/doctors-win-legal-battle-over-florida-docs-glocks-law/w1yTqu05frJcmfWKgJnDwK/)

are two articles about the missed deadline with no explanation from the AG's office.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What's the difference? If my doctor wants to ask if I own a gun I would simply tell him that it's none of his business. As long as there is no law compelling people to answer the question, I don't have a big problem with it.

[Allegiance]

Wonder if this could have any bearing on life insurance rates.

[rubicon]

Pam Bondi, the AG of the state tasked with defending our laws in court missed a court deadline to defend a law that

By shielding gun-owning patients and families from discrimination, unnecessary harassment, and bad-faith, irrelevant inquiries and record-keeping, the act narrowly advances the state's compelling interests in protecting the fundamental right to keep and bear arms from private encumbrances, safeguarding patient privacy, eliminating barriers to health care, and preventing discrimination and harassment in the provision of health care services

This law had already been found constitutional by a court and then unconstitutional by another. So it needed to be appealed to protect gun owners from discrimination and harassment. The bill was strongly supported by the NRA.

Missed a deadline? How is that possible? Bondi had previously indicated she was prepared to go to the Supreme Court (http://spacecoastdaily.com/2015/09/injunction-blocking-doctor-patient-gun-law-lifted-by-11th-circuit-court-of-appeals/)to defend this law.

Then she missed a deadline to file the appeal! Incompetency and maybe legal malpractice in that she failed to defend her client, the State of Florida.

Poster you are spot on when it comes to the seriousness of an attorney missing a deadline. On that point we do agree. I never owned a gun. I don't want to own a gun but I do have strong feelings as respects preservation of citizens 2nd amendment rights.

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

The times ARE changing...demographics are changing...our world ranking is changing. We drop more and more...each year, lower than the year before. From #1 to #25. The minorities...they want "us" dead. But they sure want all the cool stuff we invented.

I liked it better when America was full of good white guys...now there aren't so many good white guys left. Only 25% of the population is white men now. THAT is WHY America is failing, getting worse, and not better. The drivers of success and innovation are dying off...white men.

Hope springs eternal

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Ok, reasonable request for a link. I have been told that my posts have too many links and no one follows them so I didn't include one thinking google would do the job.

Here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-docs-vs-glocks-20170612-story.html)

and Here (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/doctors-win-legal-battle-over-florida-docs-glocks-law/w1yTqu05frJcmfWKgJnDwK/)

are two articles about the missed deadline with no explanation from the AG's office.

And what law did she violate that would make her liable to be impeached? Would you impeach Obama when he was a senator because he missed the votes on the majority of issues in the senate?

[cologal]

And what law did she violate that would make her liable to be impeached? Would you impeach Obama when he was a senator because he missed the votes on the majority of issues in the senate?

Geez I thought that honor went to "Little Marco" our junior senator!


COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

[MDLNB]

Geez I thought that honor went to "Little Marco" our junior senator!


COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

The difference is that Rubio was working when he missed a vote, whereas Obama was loafing.

The question still stands, what law did she violate that would warrant impeachment?

[blueash]

Ok, get off the impeach wagon. That word was clickbait. It appears in the thread title and is followed with a question mark. Nowhere in the OP do I suggest she be impeached. Do you see it? I am fully aware of the requirements for impeachment. Only one person has actually replied regarding the seriousness of missing a filing deadline. You like malpractice or misfeasance better? Failure to execute the duties of her office? Failure to defend the laws of the State of Florida? This might hurt her A rating by the NRA.

[MDLNB]

Ok, get off the impeach wagon. That word was clickbait. It appears in the thread title and is followed with a question mark. Nowhere in the OP do I suggest she be impeached. Do you see it? I am fully aware of the requirements for impeachment. Only one person has actually replied regarding the seriousness of missing a filing deadline. You like malpractice or misfeasance better? Failure to execute the duties of her office? Failure to defend the laws of the State of Florida? This might hurt her A rating by the NRA.

The point is that you used the term incorrectly.

Missing a deadline happens. Most of the time there is a reason for it. I would like to hear her reason before passing judgement on her. If it was negligence, then I would criticize her for it. If she decided that she did not like the documentation used for the vote, then it might be her reason for not voting upon it. That happens in congress all the time. A law is up for a vote that sounds perfectly reasonable, and yet there is a hidden rider on it that makes the whole document. Just saying. Need more details.

[graciegirl]

The point is that you used the term incorrectly.

Missing a deadline happens. Most of the time there is a reason for it. I would like to hear her reason before passing judgement on her. If it was negligence, then I would criticize her for it. If she decided that she did not like the documentation used for the vote, then it might be her reason for not voting upon it. That happens in congress all the time. A law is up for a vote that sounds perfectly reasonable, and yet there is a hidden rider on it that makes the whole document. Just saying. Need more details.

He likes to trip you.

I would like to know how the OP feels about genital mutilation of young girls. About a religion throwing gay men off the top of buildings.

[Don Baldwin]

He likes to trip you.

I would like to know how the OP feels about genital mutilation of young girls. About a religion throwing gay men off the top of buildings.

No to the first...yes to the second?

[MDLNB]

No to the first...yes to the second?

Hmmm, are we voting on this?

If so, then I would say no to the first. But, I would have to think about the second part................is that a trick question?

[Don Baldwin]

Hmmm, are we voting on this?

If so, then I would say no to the first. But, I would have to think about the second part................is that a trick question?

No...do you think having a man stick his pen!s in your a$s is an appropriate sign of affection? If yes you'd vote no there too. For me, it's a heath issue. 20-25% of homosexual men acquire HIV in any given year. Bi-sexual men are the primary cause of female HIV infection. HIV/AIDS would have never become the problem it is without gay men. They were the vector for its spread.

[blueash]

What's the difference? If my doctor wants to ask if I own a gun I would simply tell him that it's none of his business. As long as there is no law compelling people to answer the question, I don't have a big problem with it.

If a doctor asks if you drink and drive would you say it is none of his business? How about if you drink and drive with children in your car? How about if you know how to properly install a car seat for a child? And if you always buckle the child into that properly installed car seat? How about if you store potential toxins under your sink or in a place easily reached by a curious toddler? How about whether you apply sunscreen to your children? Whether you smoke, and if yes do you always smoke outside the home?

All of these and more are not only legitimate questions but recommended ones from the American Academy of Pediatrics to be asked at some or all well child visits, as is gun ownership (http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety). Are they all none of the doctor's business?

This law came about because a friend of mine did his job and a gun owner said it was None of His Business (http://www.ocala.com/article/LK/20100724/News/604191259/OS/) and threatened to sue him for asking the question. He discharged her for refusing to answer his question.
The law as originally proposed by Rep J Brodeur and "written" by the NRA (http://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/publichealth/26385)had a five MILLION dollar fine (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-florida-guns-docs-glocks-scott-maxwell-20160209-column.html), a felony conviction (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-01-31/story/florida-physicians-take-nra-gun-privacy-issue), five years in jail, and loss of medical license if a Florida doctor asked about gun ownership. Read that again. That is what the NRA wanted and the original language of the bill. Look it up. Google Jason Brodeur, R-Sanford, (HB 155)

It was amended to its present (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.338.html), unconstitutional form which still includes penalties up to $10,000 fine and loss of medical license.

So, guest, I'm not sure what "I don't have a problem with it" means. You don't have a problem being asked if you own guns? You don't have a problem being advised on storage safety? You don't have a problem with the law which Bondi didn't defend? Or, you don't have a problem with being discharged from a medical practice for refusing to answer the doctor's routine or even non-routine questions? You see no patient was discharged for owning guns or Dr Okonkwo wouldn't have a practice. It was the I refuse to answer reply. You have the right to remain silent, yes. The doctor has a right to select the patients for whom he provides care and reject those who refuse to cooperate.

[Don Baldwin]

If a doctor asks if you drink and drive would you say it is none of his business? How about if you drink and drive with children in your car? How about if you know how to properly install a car seat for a child? And if you always buckle the child into that properly installed car seat? How about if you store potential toxins under your sink or in a place easily reached by a curious toddler? How about whether you apply sunscreen to your children? Whether you smoke, and if yes do you always smoke outside the home?

All of these and more are not only legitimate questions but recommended ones from the American Academy of Pediatrics to be asked at some or all well child visits, as is gun ownership (http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety). Are they all none of the doctor's business?

This law came about because a friend of mine did his job and a gun owner said it was None of His Business (http://www.ocala.com/article/LK/20100724/News/604191259/OS/) and threatened to sue him for asking the question. He discharged her for refusing to answer his question.
The law as originally proposed by Rep J Brodeur and "written" by the NRA (http://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/publichealth/26385)had a five MILLION dollar fine (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-florida-guns-docs-glocks-scott-maxwell-20160209-column.html), a felony conviction (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-01-31/story/florida-physicians-take-nra-gun-privacy-issue), five years in jail, and loss of medical license if a Florida doctor asked about gun ownership. Read that again. That is what the NRA wanted and the original language of the bill. Look it up. Google Jason Brodeur, R-Sanford, (HB 155)

It was amended to its present (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.338.html), unconstitutional form which still includes penalties up to $10,000 fine and loss of medical license.

So, guest, I'm not sure what "I don't have a problem with it" means. You don't have a problem being asked if you own guns? You don't have a problem being advised on storage safety? You don't have a problem with the law which Bondi didn't defend? Or, you don't have a problem with being discharged from a medical practice for refusing to answer the doctor's routine or even non-routine questions? You see no patient was discharged for owning guns or Dr Okonkwo wouldn't have a practice. It was the I refuse to answer reply. You have the right to remain silent, yes. The doctor has a right to select the patients for whom he provides care and reject those who refuse to cooperate.

Unless of course they're black...then you BETTER have a REAL good reason.

[graciegirl]

If a doctor asks if you drink and drive would you say it is none of his business? How about if you drink and drive with children in your car? How about if you know how to properly install a car seat for a child? And if you always buckle the child into that properly installed car seat? How about if you store potential toxins under your sink or in a place easily reached by a curious toddler? How about whether you apply sunscreen to your children? Whether you smoke, and if yes do you always smoke outside the home?

All of these and more are not only legitimate questions but recommended ones from the American Academy of Pediatrics to be asked at some or all well child visits, as is gun ownership (http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety). Are they all none of the doctor's business?

This law came about because a friend of mine did his job and a gun owner said it was None of His Business (http://www.ocala.com/article/LK/20100724/News/604191259/OS/) and threatened to sue him for asking the question. He discharged her for refusing to answer his question.
The law as originally proposed by Rep J Brodeur and "written" by the NRA (http://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/publichealth/26385)had a five MILLION dollar fine (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-florida-guns-docs-glocks-scott-maxwell-20160209-column.html), a felony conviction (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-01-31/story/florida-physicians-take-nra-gun-privacy-issue), five years in jail, and loss of medical license if a Florida doctor asked about gun ownership. Read that again. That is what the NRA wanted and the original language of the bill. Look it up. Google Jason Brodeur, R-Sanford, (HB 155)

It was amended to its present (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.338.html), unconstitutional form which still includes penalties up to $10,000 fine and loss of medical license.

So, guest, I'm not sure what "I don't have a problem with it" means. You don't have a problem being asked if you own guns? You don't have a problem being advised on storage safety? You don't have a problem with the law which Bondi didn't defend? Or, you don't have a problem with being discharged from a medical practice for refusing to answer the doctor's routine or even non-routine questions? You see no patient was discharged for owning guns or Dr Okonkwo wouldn't have a practice. It was the I refuse to answer reply. You have the right to remain silent, yes. The doctor has a right to select the patients for whom he provides care and reject those who refuse to cooperate.

How do you feel about sexual mutilation of young girls and throwing homosexual males off of buildings?

Is it the same to you as the extreme religious folks who burn now abortion clinics and kill those physicians. (I stand against them too) These are questions that sort of touch on doctors and health.

I know that not all Muslims do both of these things that are abhorrent but on these issues I bet there is a majority agreement.

[blueash]

The point is that you used the term incorrectly.

Missing a deadline happens. Most of the time there is a reason for it. I would like to hear her reason before passing judgement on her. If it was negligence, then I would criticize her for it. If she decided that she did not like the documentation used for the vote, then it might be her reason for not voting upon it. That happens in congress all the time. A law is up for a vote that sounds perfectly reasonable, and yet there is a hidden rider on it that makes the whole document. Just saying. Need more details.

You do understand, I think, that this has nothing to do with documentation in Congress or the Florida legislature and that Bondi is not a Representative nor a Senator? She never voted on this. She was never asked to vote on this. She never could have voted on this. There are no secret riders in the document. And the paperwork used to prepare the law, or document has nothing to do with defending the final form of the law passed by our legislature and signed by Governor Scott with her support.

She is the head lawyer for the state, the Attorney General. Her job is to in part defend the laws of the state if they are challenged in court, unless she believes that there is a very good reason not to do so. Example. Florida has a law prohibiting gay marriage. The SCOTUS rules all such laws are unconstitutional. She then declines to defend our law even if it is still on the books.

But this law, which she said was important and needed and constitutional and that she would defend all the way to the SCOTUS, she missed a filing deadline required for that appeal and when asked why had no comment nor explanation.

[blueash]

Gracie, if you wish to know how I feel about genital mutilation or throwing gays off buildings start a thread and I may or may not participate. All topics do not have to be turned into anti-Islam topics even if it is the most important topic for you. You might not recognize it but your Islamophobic posts differ very little in tone or design from Mr Baldwin's anti-black and anti-woman posts. A tiny bit of truth, an example, then a sweeping conclusion and inserted into every thread no matter what the original topic might have been. The topic of this thread is Pam Bondi missing a deadline for filing her appeal.

You have contributed four posts so far to this thread and not a one of them dealt with the topic. You have the right to be off topic. I have the right to mention it. If you are actually in early dementia I apologize for that sentence. But as you seem open to posting many details of your life and have not mentioned any cognitive decline that explanation seems unlikely.

[graciegirl]

Gracie, if you wish to know how I feel about genital mutilation or throwing gays off buildings start a thread and I may or may not participate. All topics do not have to be turned into anti-Islam topics even if it is the most important topic for you. You might not recognize it but your Islamophobic posts differ very little in tone or design from Mr Baldwin's anti-black and anti-woman posts. A tiny bit of truth, an example, then a sweeping conclusion and inserted into every thread no matter what the original topic might have been. The topic of this thread is Pam Bondi missing a deadline for filing her appeal.

You have contributed four posts so far to this thread and not a one of them dealt with the topic. You have the right to be off topic. I have the right to mention it. If you are actually in early dementia I apologize for that sentence. But as you seem open to posting many details of your life and have not mentioned any cognitive decline that explanation seems unlikely.

As far as I know I am not. I do like being able to change the subject as this is not some rigid class in school. I very well may be VERY concerned with extreme Islamists. I have read polls that suggest that at least half and as high as two thirds of the American population favor more rigid controls of who comes from countries that are mainly Islamic. I know that you compare this with the Holocaust. Have you had anyone suggest to you lately that you might have dementia? I don't want to kill groups of people, I want to be aware of where they are and what they are up to. I believe that if I am wrong you are just as wrong.

I rarely have the opportunity to debate you. It isn't allowed on the main forum and you do not often come here. Your post about the devil statue in Oklahoma made me aware that a lot of atheists were really upset with any kind of mixture of church and state. I do learn from you, but I am frustrated by your methods. There is so much good that intellectual "hate" squelches.

[MDLNB]

If a doctor asks if you drink and drive would you say it is none of his business? How about if you drink and drive with children in your car? How about if you know how to properly install a car seat for a child? And if you always buckle the child into that properly installed car seat? How about if you store potential toxins under your sink or in a place easily reached by a curious toddler? How about whether you apply sunscreen to your children? Whether you smoke, and if yes do you always smoke outside the home?

All of these and more are not only legitimate questions but recommended ones from the American Academy of Pediatrics to be asked at some or all well child visits, as is gun ownership (http://www.nationwidechildrens.org/cirp-gun-safety). Are they all none of the doctor's business?

This law came about because a friend of mine did his job and a gun owner said it was None of His Business (http://www.ocala.com/article/LK/20100724/News/604191259/OS/) and threatened to sue him for asking the question. He discharged her for refusing to answer his question.
The law as originally proposed by Rep J Brodeur and "written" by the NRA (http://www.medpagetoday.com/publichealthpolicy/publichealth/26385)had a five MILLION dollar fine (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-florida-guns-docs-glocks-scott-maxwell-20160209-column.html), a felony conviction (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-01-31/story/florida-physicians-take-nra-gun-privacy-issue), five years in jail, and loss of medical license if a Florida doctor asked about gun ownership. Read that again. That is what the NRA wanted and the original language of the bill. Look it up. Google Jason Brodeur, R-Sanford, (HB 155)

It was amended to its present (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.338.html), unconstitutional form which still includes penalties up to $10,000 fine and loss of medical license.

So, guest, I'm not sure what "I don't have a problem with it" means. You don't have a problem being asked if you own guns? You don't have a problem being advised on storage safety? You don't have a problem with the law which Bondi didn't defend? Or, you don't have a problem with being discharged from a medical practice for refusing to answer the doctor's routine or even non-routine questions? You see no patient was discharged for owning guns or Dr Okonkwo wouldn't have a practice. It was the I refuse to answer reply. You have the right to remain silent, yes. The doctor has a right to select the patients for whom he provides care and reject those who refuse to cooperate.

If the doctor asks me if I drink, he is using this information to diagnose. If he asks if I drink and drive, it's none of his business. Just like asking me if I have a gun, none of his business.
Your whole diatribe might be important to you, but that is because you are a needy liberal that would live with his parents all his life, if possible. You need the gov to make decisions for you and do not believe that there are others that can reason better than you, unless they are better educated or in a power position. By your comment, I would suggest that you are a very weak natured person, needing a partner to lead you about to keep you from harm. I bet someone has to make sure that there are no sharp objects within your reach or toxic chemicals.

This is a perfect example of why we need a smaller government, with less gov. intervention into our lives.