problems with receation Dept

[jaringg]

Maybe if you told us why you are upset with the recreation department it would help. Does it have to do with the chairlift in the pool? It is confusing to be asked our opinion when we don't know what is really the issue.
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Here is the problem:
The villages can impose a edict that (you or I ) cannot use any of the of the recreation facilities for whatever they want. There is no way to appeal their demand. We all pay fees to have access to our facilities. But that is not considered. It has happened to Me

[graciegirl]

Maybe if you told us why you are upset with the recreation department it would help. Does it have to do with the chairlift in the pool? It is confusing to be asked our opinion when we don't know what is really the issue.
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Here is the problem:
The villages can impose a edict that (you or I ) cannot use any of the of the recreation facilities for whatever they want. There is no way to appeal their demand. We all pay fees to have access to our facilities. But that is not considered. It has happened to Me

What did you want to do that you could not do????

[jaringg]

I wanted to go to a meeting but aI WAS BANNED FROM ALL rEC. dEPT PROPERTIES IN INCLUDING PARKING LOTS

[graciegirl]

I wanted to go to a meeting

The meeting. They would not let you attend?

They would not let you hold the meeting?

[jaringg]

wHY ARE YOU NOT RESPONDING

[graciegirl]

I wanted to go to a meeting but aI WAS BANNED FROM ALL rEC. dEPT PROPERTIES IN INCLUDING PARKING LOTS

Why? What did they say was the reason?

[jaringg]

i WEAS BANNED FROM ALL RECREATION CENTERS

[graciegirl]

i WEAS BANNED FROM ALL RECREATION CENTERS

For doing WHAT?

[jaringg]

i TOUCHED an employee

[graciegirl]

oh. Did you shove them?

[Bogie Shooter]

i TOUCHED an employee

How? In what way?

[JoMar]

Doesn't matter, there is never a reason to put your hands on anyone unless it is in self defense. Yes, TV makes the rules and we all know what they are. If you want to make rules this is not the place to be but we all knew that when we moved here.....didn't we.

[jaringg]

No I put my hand on her shoulder and asked her a question

[jaringg]

How long have you lived here?
when we moved 10 years no one informed us that we were giving our Rights !

[graciegirl]

No I put my hand on her shoulder and asked her a question

That is very troubling. And they expelled you? Were words exchanged? Gerry we have lived here almost ten years, close to six full time.

[jaringg]

no put my hand on her shoulder and told her "why are you embarrassing us" when they laughed at us doing our exersize's

[graciegirl]

no put my hand on her shoulder and told her "why are you embarrassing us" when they laughed at us doing our exersize's

That is the full exchange? That is all, Gerry?

[redwitch]

Sounds like the rec department employee felt like she was being confronted and, at the very least, assaulted. Basic rule, you don't touch another without permission. If you felt you were being laughed at, the odds are your anger showed when trying to talk to the employee. To try to get her attention by placing hands on her was probably not a wise move. You could have been charged with assault and battery.

Even so, I don't think a total banning was fair. Was there any kind of a hearing with you present? Were you given a chance to give your side of the story? To apologize for touching her? If this were me, I'd try talking to Rohan and see about getting the ban changed to a suspension. I'd also think about how my actions have contributed to the issues. Am I too confrontational? Am I complaining to the right person? What is the best way to get the results I want?

It seems as if you've had a few run ins with staff. If this all occurred at one rec center, I suggest you steer clear of that rec center if you are allowed back. You're in a lose-lose situation there. No matter what you do, your reputation precedes you there. Not always fair, but that's life.

Hope you can get things resolved but the reality is you were wrong to touch the employee. The rec department has a duty to protect its staff and patrons from physical harm. You crossed the line.

[CFrance]

Sounds like the rec department employee felt like she was being confronted and, at the very least, assaulted. Basic rule, you don't touch another without permission. If you felt you were being laughed at, the odds are your anger showed when trying to talk to the employee. To try to get her attention by placing hands on her was probably not a wise move. You could have been charged with assault and battery.

Even so, I don't think a total banning was fair. Was there any kind of a hearing with you present? Were you given a chance to give your side of the story? To apologize for touching her? If this were me, I'd try talking to Rohan and see about getting the ban changed to a suspension. I'd also think about how my actions have contributed to the issues. Am I too confrontational? Am I complaining to the right person? What is the best way to get the results I want?

It seems as if you've had a few run ins with staff. If this all occurred at one rec center, I suggest you steer clear of that rec center if you are allowed back. You're in a lose-lose situation there. No matter what you do, your reputation precedes you there. Not always fair, but that's life.

Hope you can get things resolved but the reality is you were wrong to touch the employee. The rec department has a duty to protect its staff and patrons from physical harm. You crossed the line.
Excellent points, as usual, Red.

And boy, did it take a long time for the full story to be told.

[graciegirl]

There is always two sides to a story.

I wish we knew more. We can't leap to condemn or protect until we know all of the details. Mistakes do happen but if there were a lot of expulsions for questionable behavior I am sure we would hear about them because news travels fast around this community through all kinds of internet venues.

That is why we must try to dispel rumors and challenge statements that are incomplete.

I have been wrong doing that but many times the truth comes out and it was a completely different situation than originally presented.

[Polar Bear]

I agree that we know far too little about the situation to make reasonable judgements.

[graciegirl]

no put my hand on her shoulder and told her "why are you embarrassing us" when they laughed at us doing our exersize's

What do you think they were laughing at? Who is us? You and your wife?

[NotGolfer]

There's always 2 sides to every situation. I do know that The Villages has something in place about removing one's privileges "if" they've somehow abused it.