Obama's speech 9/9/09 Re: Health Care Reform

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Someone had to start it....I decided to sleep on what I heard. I remain disappointed in that there was absolutely NOTHING new put forward. It sounded to me like he took stock of all that has been said over the lawmakers vacation at the town hall meetings....he obviously takes into account his ratings which are down substantially....he had h to have taken into account that any poll one wants to talk about shows we the people DO NOT embrace the public option....he has taken into account his administrations trial balloons on scraping the public option.....he has taken into account what his majority leaders in Congress have "dictated".

And what ever else he takes into account before a so called make or break speech.

After all the above he comes out the door that sorta indicates, forget about what you heard over the summer vacation from we the people, forget about the polls expressing the American public and get back to work on what I told you I wanted last July!!! And if anybody speaks out against it, we will call them out.

He pretends to offer in his speech to reach across the aisle, while not having invited one Republican leader to the WH since April to discuss alternatives. If you noticed during the speech when he referred to being open to alternative ideas, the Republic side of the house erupted with representatives holding up their proposals as if to say here they have been Mr. POTUS! I was especially impressed when he said let me talk to the seniors out there for a moment....and then went into schmooze overload with more feel good statements.

His speech confirmed his support for the furthest left he could possibly show favor. Totally ignoring any opportunity to to send a message to the Congress and we the people. His stern (correographed in the speech) warning "...the time for bickering is over..." was delivered to with emphasis toward any who have been or still are opposed to what he proposes.

My letters today to my representatives (:a20: well that is their task) will reflect the same as above. And I will appeal to them to vote against the once again nebulous statements of you will get to keep what you have....you will keep your doctor...no death squads....it will not cost one dime (:1rotfl:).

His entire premise is based on the fact the reform will be funded by savings to come from Medicare and other health care abuses. That is the same old same old justification from the summer. If those savings are so tangible, why was there no commitment to go after them while this reform lolls around the halls for years to come???? Why not????

Another hollow promise being used for justification and to address a major concern of many Americans who, like me, remain in shock at this POTUS and his majority Congress and all his advisers, over their continued aloof frivolous disregard for the ramifications of adding an un-funded trillion dollar burden on the American people who are in the midst of one of the so called worst recessions in history.

In conclusion.....absolutely nothing changed, except to confirm his original intents. I held high hopes he would at least have given direction to the lawmakers that would address the will of the people. Totally absent from his speech. He was 100% in his campaign mode, well prepared, well scripted, well correographed, well READ schmooze mode. The old trust me.....I am your President (VS candidate mode of 2008). Proof positive his priority is the political agenda.....NOTHING MORE! The speech was about as specific as putting dimensions on a passing cloud (AGAIN!!).

He is what he is....a word slinging politician who will say and do anything to further his agenda.....while walking upon we the people. He truly has embellished he is not concerned about being a one term president.

I, anxiously await being enlightened (as usual) to hear from those who heard anything different....or what I may have missed.

btk

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Well put BIK, I look forward to the debate on this forum that is sure to happen.

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A true snake oil salesman from the old west. The ones who traveled from town to town claiming they had the "cure" for all. :crap2:

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If they (whoever they are supposed to be) know there is fraud and abuse in all phases of healthcare, especially that already under government control, why haven't they already "fixed" it? It's kinda the old saying, "Clean up your own house first." What's the point of building a new one just to continue the same mess or worse?

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I slept like a rock last night. W O N D E R F U L address to both houses and the nation.

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Well put BIK, I look forward to the debate on this forum that is sure to happen.

In my mind there is nothing to debate. President Obama hit all the points necessary. He laid out exactly what he wants to see, what he would not sign, dispelled all the ridiculous rumors, pointed out some of the Republican ideas he wanted incorporated, how it would be paid for, and all in all, held his ground.

This is the man I voted for and this is the man I still completely back. Trust me, he will get most, if not all of what he really wants and he will get it by the end of the year.

I already know that 5 or 6 of you usual posters heard a completely different speech than I did because you really don't listen or maybe just don't want to hear, or won't give him credit for anything ever. Good luck with that.

He's my President and I still think he's :eclipsee_gold_cup:

p.s. That idiot Wilson from SC that shouted out "You lie" has already called and apologized. Ya, he realized he bought himself a world of trouble. Nice conduct for a Congressman. Maybe he and Sanford should take a trip to Argentina together.

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In my mind there is nothing to debate. President Obama hit all the points necessary. He laid out exactly what he wants to see, what he would not sign, dispelled all the ridiculous rumors, pointed out some of the Republican ideas he wanted incorporated, how it would be paid for, and all in all, held his ground.

This is the man I voted for and this is the man I still completely back. Trust me, he will get most, if not all of what he really wants and he will get it by the end of the year.

I already know that 5 or 6 of you usual posters heard a completely different speech than I did because you really don't listen or maybe just don't want to hear, or won't give him credit for anything ever. Good luck with that.

He's my President and I still think he's :eclipsee_gold_cup:

p.s. That idiot Wilson from SC that shouted out "You lie" has already called and apologized. Ya, he realized he bought himself a world of trouble. Nice conduct for a Congressman. Maybe he and Sanford should take a trip to Argentina together.

Actually, we DID in fact see the same speech. The President is a wonderful orator of that there is and should be no debate.

But on what he says and what he does as with so much he promised during the campaign and not only did not do, just simply ignored...as his followers like you seem to do also.

He DID NOT TALK ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE PAID FOR...he said that he would not sign a bill that added one dime to the deficit, BUT that all will be paid for by NEBULOUS AND UNDEFINED COST REDUCTIONS !

He said that no abortions would be paid for by federal money. Yet all versions of the bill that I have seen or read do in fact cover abortions !

He said that no illegal immigrants would be covered but there are TWO lines in the bill...one says what he said but there is another that allows them to participate !

And while you, as always, have to make a personal attack....Rep Wilson was so out of line that I am hoping there is some kind of repercussion that can be handed out before he is defeated in the next election !

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Obama read words written by his advisors and writers who kept referring to his (the Obama) healthcare plan.

If there is an Obama plan why can't we see it in writing and with numbers that prove the statements he has made. Where are the numbers that were used to come up with the 900 billion dollar deficit they say it will create. His own financial experts have said this deficit will be at least a trillion and a half over the same period of time.

I know that all politicians are thought of a liars. Bush was called a liar nearly every day by the Liberals. So we are very familiar with the term describing presidents.

We can only hope that on this very serious issue our president decides to stop his political fabrications and tell us the truth.

DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY THINK OBAMA WAS TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID HIS PLAN WOULD NOT ADD ONE DIME TO THE DEFICIT ?

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What does that mean?
It means I believe he got caught up in the emotion of what he believed....right or wrong. And yes, according to practice such behavior is a no-no when all the kings men/women are in a smiling session.

Passing grade? Yes, I will take the emotional error of a Wilson any day over the overt theft and cheating by the likes of Rangle!!!!

His emotion may have been triggered by the same as mine relative to saying the WORDS....no illegal immigrants will be covered in the health care reform. And as usual, when one investigates the details of this specific, illegal immigrants getting health care coverage....it was debated last week. Yes the language there shall not be, HOWEVER, it was also pointed out there was NO language that would preclude a rejection if in fact an illegal immigrant did apply. And because there was no specific language to that point, there is a high likely hood they COULD not only be approved, but also be entitled to supplemental funding from Uncle Sam if they could not afford the price of the basic coverage.

Crafted and drafted by lawyers to ASSURE they have their butts covered to provide for their voting constituency. THAT is what rattles the ire of people like me and obviously Wilson....lawyer double speek = same as lying!!!

The man can be a supporters President...that is what it is all about. However, there is a point of reality, regardless who the candidate, who the POTUS, who the party....none matters when there is a potential for what is being said to not be capable of happening. For Obama to say the health care reform will not cost one dime...is double speak. For his statement to be true the Medicare abuse has to be identified and brought under control. It has been proven time and again that such promises in Washington NEVER materialize. Medicare is already forecast to be bannkrupt is not too many years...why aren't or why haven't these so obvious savings been claimed before? If they are known enough to the extent of knowledge that Obama is willing to commit based on their existence, why has it not been done before now? Why isn't it proposed to be done or begun starting tomorrow? Why do we have to wait for this POLITICAL game to be played before stopping the quoted KNOWN ills? Because it is political BS....nothing more.

I have no problem supporting ones man/woman. Doing their bidding blindly because they are one's man/woman just is not justifiable.

Yes he hit all the points....the same ones he has since the beginning.

Forget the partisan debate. How about democracy in action? For instance the will of the people has been quoted as the reason why Obama won the election....majority vote (means anything above one more than the other guy!)....a couple of percent....he wins the will of the people has been fulfilled.

But now on health care reform the will of the people does not mean squat. There is a higher percent against health care reform by a significantly larger margin than what Obama won the election....yet the will of the people has no impact on the Obama, Pelosi, et al. Now please help me understand how it is good for what they want and fagedaboutit for anything against what they want. Is that democracy? No .....partisan politics at it's worst.

Obama has yet to address the needs of the people....only his agenda....he said that last night. Pelosi says it every time a mic is put in front of her.

"Not one dime"....barf

btk

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BTK, Good post!

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The only person telling the truth last night was Joe Wilson when he said you lie. How about the republican amendment to make you show proof of citizenship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

How about in 2005 when the dems booed Bush while addressing congress and talking about SS going bankrupt? Where was the decorum?

BO was lying through his teeth last night. I thought he was disgusting and disingenuous.

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The only person telling the truth last night was Joe Wilson when he said you lie. How about the republican amentment to make you show proof of citizinship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

How about in 2005 when the dems boo'd Bush while addressing congress and talking about SS going bankrupt? Where was the decorum?

BO was lying through his teeth last night. I thought he was disgusting and disingenuous.

You know....a simple phrase like you posted ..." How about the republican amentment to make you show proof of citizinship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

The President is aware of this.....and what really does not make sense to me is those who come on here (not very many at all) and defend this man...honor this man and totally ignore his lies, of which he has told a lot of whoppers already in the short time in office.

Someone said earlier that perhaps posters on here heard a different speech...I suggest perhaps that poster is listening with selective hearing. How can you ignore straight out very clear lies of which there have been so many and I am afraid will continue unabated as his beautiful words seem to make folks swoon !

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What some continue not to recognize, especially those who use this debate to vilify the President, it's that his task is to develop plans and use his office, his persistence, and his inspiration to get Congress to approve those plans. Obama has the courage and resolve to take on one of the toughest issues in our history, regardless of whether it's to try to cement his place as a "Great President" or just to exemplify the kind of character he challenged us all to have last night.
The sound principles in his outline of how to fix health insurance haven't changed since his campaign, and he reemphasized the most critical points needed to make it right. He soft-pedaled the public option and didn't mention increasing taxes on the rich. Instead he advanced McCain's idea of increasing funding by taxing the highest premium insurance companies. He debunked the false and insidious rumors. He drew THE LINE on increasing the deficit and repeated that the bill should not pay for abortions or insure illegal aliens. He called for reform and protection of Medicare and took on a whole new army of self-interested lobbying enemies by calling for tort reform.

He did what an intelligent, well-meaning President should do for his country in need. He deserves support for that because he will take endless crap until this is done. For all of the super patriots who also are so supportive of our soldiers but stop at nothing to find any conceivable way to attack the President's revised health insurance outline , it's time you saw the remarkable parallel between our soldiers and our President.

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What some continue not to recognize, especially those who use this debate to vilify the President, it's that his task is to develop plans and use his office, his persistence, and his inspiration to get Congress to approve those plans. Obama has the courage and resolve to take on one of the toughest issues in our history, regardless of whether it's to try to cement his place as a "Great President" or just to exemplify the kind of character he challenged us all to have last night.
The sound principles in his outline of how to fix health insurance haven't changed since his campaign, and he reemphasized the most critical points needed to make it right. He soft-pedaled the public option and didn't mention increasing taxes on the rich. Instead he advanced McCain's idea of increasing funding by taxing the highest premium insurance companies. He debunked the false and insidious rumors. He drew THE LINE on increasing the deficit and repeated that the bill should not pay for abortions or insure illegal aliens. He called for reform and protection of Medicare and took on a whole new army of self-interested lobbying enemies by calling for tort reform.

He did what an intelligent, well-meaning President should do for his country in need. He deserves support for that because he will take endless crap until this is done. For all of the super patriots who also are so supportive of our soldiers but stop at nothing to find any conceivable way to attack the President's revised health insurance outline , it's time you saw the remarkable parallel between our soldiers and our President.


Your point is well taken and well presented BUT WHY BE DISHONEST with facts as the other side was also doing.

He knows full well what is in those bills and he STILL stood up there and told untruths.

I might add, that I want health reform.....I do not oppose it, but he flat out either lied or stretched the truth last night on several issues of import to me.

I also might add...that this is not unique....he told some whoppers on his way to the WH and while I admit I did not trust him BEFORE the election, he has taught me that I had good solid reasons to feel that way.

I am looking for some truth from someone on the health bill issue. I am not throwing out the wild claims...I am simply suggesting that what he said last night was flat out not true and he knew it !

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Remarkable parallel between the President and our soldiers? Our soldiers fight for freedom and BO fights to take it away. There is no parallel at all. BO doesn’t fight for health care, he fights to take over one more area of the private sector. That’s his only addenda. He says he’ll pay for 500 bill of it by eliminating waste and fraud in Medicare? We’ve been waiting 45 years and the waste and fraud it still there. Why not do it first? Where’s the common sense here? There is none.

BO has NO plan. The only thing on the table is the house bill and that does not support what he said last night and it is abundantly clear that they have locked out the GOP from participating. The greatest danger we face today is this ultra radical administration and the constant lies they are feeding some Americans who for some reason actually believe them. There is NO money to pay for this.

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Obama's speech provides a target rich environment to expose his contrived fabrications to the public. That shout out from the South Carolina representative may have breached decorum or etiquette by using words that were less euphemistic than the polite rhetoric Obama expects. He's from Chicago, he should have thick skin. The indelicate truth spoken by the outraged legislator is his absolute defense. Others can have their way with the abortion, illegal immigrant, last dime, and funding fables and other prevarications spewed by Obama.

The biggest slight of hand, or lip, was his pitch to seniors about protecting their Medicare. This coming from a president who is on the record about cutting $500-$600 billion in Medicare costs. I would like to have him produce the revenue he acknowledges as fraud and abuse before he socializes medical care. If he is telling the truth wouldn't that be direct evidence of his credibility. If he knows the money is there, why doesn't he do something now? It's a politically contrived fabrication that will never, ever happen. By the time his grand health plan kicks in, his presidency will be over one way or the other, so he knows he will not have to account for them. dklassen has it right....give us the $500-$600 billion windfall savings without diluting Medicare, that you say will fund your health agenda, in your first term. Prove your not lying to the American people and then we'll talk realistic reform.

His real plan is to reduce and/or eliminate costly medical options for seniors through raids and dilution of medicare. This chilling scenario will be reinforced by the encouragement of end of life initiatives so people die off earlier and more cost effectively. Accordingly, the savings can be trickled down to those who are younger and less demanding on the system. A fringe benefit is the reduction in Social Security rolls. Its all in Tom Daschle's book. Some reward for those in their twilight, golden years who have contributed so much in so many ways to this country.

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Forget about BO and Health Care for a moment.

Social Security is bankrupt, Medicare is bankrupt, Medicaid is bankrupt, the government in general is bankrupt and going billions in debt every week.

The government is BROKE!!!! Doesn’t anyone understand this? 500,000 more jobs lost and foreclosures still on the rise. Tax receipts to the government are spiraling down. No jobs are being created.

From a dollars and cents perspective, someone on the left please explain this to me. The last time you were broke, savings gone, credit cards maxed and no job it sight, how much money were you spending? Did you buy that new $100,000 motor home you were looking at? Remodel your kitchen? Put in that new swimming pool?

How is it different with the government? Government now wants to buy a new $100,000 motor home times about a trillion. How is this ok?

Oh, but if we reform health care we will save money! Name one government program that ever saved money? Name one government program that didn’t cost about five times what they originally said it would?

Why is this ok with anyone on the left or right?

Why isn’t anyone demanding a full government audit, government waste cleanup and a balanced budget before we spend ONE MORE DIME of our tax money on social programs?

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Bucco,

When you claim the President is lying or dishonest, you are no less obligated than Rep. Wilson to apologize. I do not understand your claims. You wrote several paragraphs without one example of the President's "DISHONESTY".
So I'll just guess.
I heard the President say he is promoting a plan which does not cover illegal aliens or fund abortions. If legislation is passed and signed with that intent, I guarantee you there will be some people somewhere who find a way to beat those rules and scam the system. Is that what you mean by being 'DISHONEST"? If so, you are confusing what the President is promoting and what Congress articulates and passes. The wording of the legislation will determine how few or how many exceptions there be to the targeted ideal. Only once has THE LINE been drawn, with respect to increasing the deficit. If the President signs a bill which increases the deficit you will finally have the opportunity to call him dishonest.

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Good post DK but Obama has you covered.

The genius of his plan will emphasize cost effectiveness. Medicare options for the elderly will be greatly reduced consistent with their life expectancy. They will be lovingly introduced to "end of life" possibilities, you know, kinda like what was in that VA booklet. When our generation dies off (or are killed off), sooner than later according to the grand plan, they will also be coming off the Social Security rolls thereby generating more revenue for redistribution and social justice. A two for one benefit. Very efficient.

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I am amazed that anyone is still staying with Obama. To understand what his type of vision is just look at the society in the housing projects where there are food stamps, SS money for mothers without husbands, husbands not working but relying on government programs, (e.g.section 8, etc.). There are a host of more programs and this is just a very small number.
This is a micro view of socialism at its best form. The Obama direction calls for more handouts which strip the family from motivation to work and earn.
Does anyone actually think handouts provide motivations. Under the theories of motivation when you give something like this the ones receiving it pretty quickly believe it is due to them and look for more and motivation is destroyed. Think back when you received a raise on the job. How long after you received the raise did you think you had earned it and now wanted another one. Usually takes about 6-8 weeks for that to kick in. Now on top of this tell the next generation there is no way you can get out of the debt we gave you so what is their motivation? We really fouled up their lives.
We took away the motivation for the car industry to become creative, we took away some motivation with more $$$ handouts and what the heck why not pay for the health benifits since we have already ruined their futures and now there is little motivation for people to try to get better since they are in over their heads in debt and they will get all they need without working. I think that leads to a 3rd world country. That is where Mr. Obama is leading us.

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That is unless he gives amnesty to the 12 million illegals who are already here. Problem solved. No health care for illegals because they are no longer illegal. And that's exactly what he intends to do. 12 million more on the government take and 12 million more votes for the democrats.Who's gonna pay for it?

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Whenever a project is put forth it is usually accompanied by an implementation plan, time table, responsibilities, results to be achieved....payback.

There was never a project anywhere in corporate America that was allowed with the loose ends of the health care reform Just to name the last in a series just like it). No responsibility. No accountability. No justification of funding. No identification of payback. If one could not justify a program they were guided to the door.

This morning Nancy Pelosi added insult to injury by stating there was billions and billions of waste that can easily be taken from the existing health care system.....easily $500 billion. And when challenged what if it isn't there she said there would be no problem "squeezing it out" of other government projects.

How imbecilic is that? If it is that easy why hasn't it been done yet? Why aren't they starting tomorrow? Until such time as specifics are identified we the people, will continue to be persuaded to "trust me" it will not cost one dime.

When Obama asked Congress to come up with $100,000,000 in savings earlier this year by trimming projects....not only did it not happen. His time table by when he expected it to be done was passed without a whimper. They never did hit his number. And these same incompetent, corrupt, spineless and stupid people will find $900 billion to offset?

Some of you are not drinking kool aid you must be main lining some happy juice that has to be illegal (which obviously is not an impediment in Washington).

Yes. The man said what you supporters wanted to hear. For some of us we expect to see details of how they will make it happen. To date there has not been a program from this administration (or any other) on how it will be done and paid for. This administration is the worst. They are back to whipping the hurry up and get it done mode. We worry about the details later....how laughable....even during his speech last night.

Another good example? The automotive companies....how many billions were lent to them? The payback was going to be on a fast track. The American people were going to more than get their money back. That was earlier this summer. Today the Treasury announced it is unlikely GM and Chrysler will be able to pay the money back. And may even need more.

What does it take to wake some of y'all up? Do you need a brick out house to fall on you to see what is happening? Just what the :cus: do you see that will make health care reform any different?

Yup....the man is saying just jump in and swim. When you get in the water we will let you know how far you have to go. Then we will let you know what else is in the water. Then we will let you know whether it is warmer than you can stand. Or maybe colder. And at some point we will let you know if you swim long enough whether you can get there or not. The cost of the swim is $150,000 each, but not to worry we know when you arrive there will be more than enough money waiting in bags on the shore just for the picking it up. And oh by the way if for what ever reason you don't make it or the money isn't there.....we'll get it from your kids and grand kids. What do you expect to swim for free?

Sound stupid. Of course it does. By the way the above are just words.....freely tossed about just like the politicians in Washington.

Forget the party line for :cus: sake....you are being bilked into a blank check with no deliverables.

What does it take?:mad:

btk

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DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY THINK OBAMA WAS TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID HIS PLAN WOULD NOT ADD ONE DIME TO THE DEFICIT ?

I am sure that Chelsea24 does. I'd bet on it. Wouldn't you?

Yoda

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Bucco,

When you claim the President is lying or dishonest, you are no less obligated than Rep. Wilson to apologize. I do not understand your claims. You wrote several paragraphs without one example of the President's "DISHONESTY".
So I'll just guess.
I heard the President say he is promoting a plan which does not cover illegal aliens or fund abortions. If legislation is passed and signed with that intent, I guarantee you there will be some people somewhere who find a way to beat those rules and scam the system. Is that what you mean by being 'DISHONEST"? If so, you are confusing what the President is promoting and what Congress articulates and passes. The wording of the legislation will determine how few or how many exceptions there be to the targeted ideal. Only once has THE LINE been drawn, with respect to increasing the deficit. If the President signs a bill which increases the deficit you will finally have the opportunity to call him dishonest.


Concerning illegal aliens........this is what the President said...

""The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

First,there are MANY news reports out there that the President and Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) intend to try and pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty legislation soon, that would legalize millions of illegal immigrants and qualify them for all taxpayer benefits and jobs in America.

Second, and this is FACT.....while illegal immigrants are mentioned in HR 3200 as being ineligible for health care benefits, there are no enforcement provisions and Republican lawmaker attempts to amend the legislation and add enforcement provisions have been voted down by Democrats. Illegals are not supposed to receive welfare, medicaide, vote or even have jobs, but they do because there is no enforcment !

So, how do you square this ?

The President said...."And one more misunderstanding I want to clear up: under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place."

The Public option, which he favors clearly DOES allow for the use of federal money for abortions !

How do you square that ?

These are just two items off the top of the head and talking about paying for it is another story !

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Please read what the great Thomas Sowell has to say on the subject
http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2009/09/08/listening_to_a_liar

part 2 to follow

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http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2009/09/10/listening_to_a_liar_part_ii

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The only person telling the truth last night was Joe Wilson when he said you lie. How about the republican amendment to make you show proof of citizenship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

How about in 2005 when the dems booed Bush while addressing congress and talking about SS going bankrupt? Where was the decorum?

BO was lying through his teeth last night. I thought he was disgusting and disingenuous.

DK: About the only honesty I heard last night was when Jow Wilson said the EMPEROR wears NO clothes. YOU LIE. We all know the Illegals will be covered for sure.

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In my mind there is nothing to debate. President Obama hit all the points necessary. He laid out exactly what he wants to see, what he would not sign, dispelled all the ridiculous rumors, pointed out some of the Republican ideas he wanted incorporated, how it would be paid for, and all in all, held his ground.

This is the man I voted for and this is the man I still completely back. Trust me, he will get most, if not all of what he really wants and he will get it by the end of the year.

I already know that 5 or 6 of you usual posters heard a completely different speech than I did because you really don't listen or maybe just don't want to hear, or won't give him credit for anything ever. Good luck with that.

He's my President and I still think he's :eclipsee_gold_cup:

p.s. That idiot Wilson from SC that shouted out "You lie" has already called and apologized. Ya, he realized he bought himself a world of trouble. Nice conduct for a Congressman. Maybe he and Sanford should take a trip to Argentina together.

Couldn't agree more. The ever-narrowing band of Republicants offers nothing of substance, denies the crisis in both health insurance and cost to the debt are real, and then sits smugly by with their arms folded.

We are not a two party democracy anymore. That implies that the #2 side would be honestly engaged in trying to help improve governing. Spoiled whiners do not a party make.

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Couldn't agree more. The ever-narrowing band of Republicants offers nothing of substance, denies the crisis in both health insurance and cost to the debt are real, and then sits smugly by with their arms folded.

We are not a two party democracy anymore. That implies that the #2 side would be honestly engaged in trying to help improve governing. Spoiled whiners do not a party make.

Nobody, to my knowledge, on any side of this issue denies a crisis..NOBODY....why would you say something that is NOT TRUE ??

Are you aware of the other bills that are smugly ignored....why would you say something that is NOT TRUE ?

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Illegals already get free coverage and we pay for it all. Don't think for a moment the dems and even some repubs don't want 12 million law breakers legalized and added to the government take. Obama was lying and a single person actually had the courage to publicly call him on it.

BO is a wolf in sheep's clothing and the wolf is not pro-America or pro-growth... except for pro-government growth.

There are so many things that can be done to lower health care costs and BO's only solution is to seize control and ration it.

Medicare recipients are going to be the first to get screwed. I'm surprised anyone here supports another government forced takeover given the current status of all the other government programs. Makes no sense to me.

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Illegals already get free coverage and we pay for it all. Don't think for a moment the dems and even some repubs don't want 12 million law breakers legalized and added to the government take. Obama was lying and a single person actually had the courage to publicly call him on it.

BO is a wolf in sheep's clothing and the wolf is not pro-America or pro-growth... except for pro-government growth.

There are so many things that can be done to lower health care costs and BO's only solution is to seize control and ration it.

Medicare recipients are going to be the first to get screwed. I'm surprised anyone here supports another government forced takeover given the current status of all the other government programs. Makes no sense to me.

Hahaha! OMG! :eek: So much of what you say is so ludicrous, with absolutely no basis... BUT! With saying our President is NOT pro-American -- you've topped yourself!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl: I guess I shouldn't be laughing because you must really believe all the garbage you post. All I can say is WOW!

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Yes? Tell me the last time BO said anything good about America or Americans... especially when visiting other countries?

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if a simple question was asked, for example: It is noon, 12 o'clock high in the continental USA is it daylight or dark?
There would be a tirade of interpretations and yes, or no buts. For sure the simplest approach of all will be glossed over....two answers....daylight or dark.
Will be lost in the the ensuing debate. Now how could something as complex and as political and as draw lines in the sand partisan as health care reform, be addressed at all? It cannot.

Self first, then party, followed by contributors and special interest lobbyists, followed very closely by the bobble head party to a fault faithful.....politician's credo....both parties by the way (where is we the people....you are kidding of course!!).

btk

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Illegals already get free coverage and we pay for it all. Don't think for a moment the dems and even some repubs don't want 12 million law breakers legalized and added to the government take. Obama was lying and a single person actually had the courage to publicly call him on it.

BO is a wolf in sheep's clothing and the wolf is not pro-America or pro-growth... except for pro-government growth.

There are so many things that can be done to lower health care costs and BO's only solution is to seize control and ration it.

Medicare recipients are going to be the first to get screwed. I'm surprised anyone here supports another government forced takeover given the current status of all the other government programs. Makes no sense to me.

Havent these Illegals been getting free coverage for a number of years now??:cus:

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Two Points.
1. President Obama was not lying when he said the new plan would not cover illegal aliens. By the time it kicks in he will have legalized all of them.
2. It was rude to shout out at President Obama while he was giving a speech that he was a liar It was also rude for President Obama to walk into the Congress of the United States and call Congressmen liars who disagree with him that his health care plan will bankrupt the country, cover abortions, cover illegal aliens, and pay people ( dealth panel or if you want to call them government bureacrats) to decide who and what care people receive. Who started it?

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Havent these Illegals been getting free coverage for a number of years now??

Only when they pack the emergency rooms and then skip on the bills... that we pick up through higher prices to us.

If BHO get his grimy little paws on health care you ain't seen nothing yet.

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can anyone explain the difference between the bill by rep president reagan 1986 immigration reform given health care to illegals and this plan ???:bowdown:

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1986 Reagan signed the Immigration Reform.President Ronald W. Reagan who signed the COBRA legislation in 1986 that included the emergency room treatment provision to be given to illegal

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can anyone explain the difference between the bill by rep president reagan 1986 immigration reform given health care to illegals and this plan ???:bowdown:

Interesting question and frankly one I had not thought of before !

I did some checking and find that the immigrants coming into and staying in this country has increased by about 80% since 2000...14 years after your question.

Thus my first difference would be the total number that need to be addressed....sort of like a brand new ball game dont you think !

Secondly, the discussion today has to do with a NATIONAL health care bill...key word being NATIONAL !

Just off the top of my head !

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Interesting question and frankly one I had not thought of before !

I did some checking and find that the immigrants coming into and staying in this country has increased by about 80% since 2000...14 years after your question.

Thus my first difference would be the total number that need to be addressed....sort of like a brand new ball game dont you think !

Secondly, the discussion today has to do with a NATIONAL health care bill...key word being NATIONAL !

Just off the top of my head !

A new ball game when it suits the RWing. As far as Illegal Immigrants receiving care. What did the last 2 in fact the last 3 do about it??? Why is it such a subject now??? Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that BO is President would it??

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Yes? Tell me the last time BO said anything good about America or Americans... especially when visiting other countries?
...What dklassen said! :agree:
And that doesn't even address those (Czars) Obama has unilaterally appointed to positions of power. All with with no Congressional oversight, and most with dubious (at best) backgrounds. :cus:

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If this happened to a Republican President - a democrat was to yell out something, he/should would be chastised and booted out!!!! Then, he/she would probably be removed from his/her office for doing so. People need to have respect for the President. There is a correct way of addressing him.

I personally LOVE him, I voted for him and could listen to him speak all day. I suppose that you think that Bush was a good man? <double sigh> :oops: He is the one who got us into this war (there WERE no weapons of mass destruction) and got us into this mess. Nobody knew what was going on financially until the last minute. He (Bush) said that we had a sound economy. Now, you want to complain about a man who happened to get voted in afterward and has to clean up the mess that Bush made??? Egads, I wouldn't want Obama's job for nothing!

Tallulah




What does that mean?
It means I believe he got caught up in the emotion of what he believed....right or wrong. And yes, according to practice such behavior is a no-no when all the kings men/women are in a smiling session.

Passing grade? Yes, I will take the emotional error of a Wilson any day over the overt theft and cheating by the likes of Rangle!!!!

His emotion may have been triggered by the same as mine relative to saying the WORDS....no illegal immigrants will be covered in the health care reform. And as usual, when one investigates the details of this specific, illegal immigrants getting health care coverage....it was debated last week. Yes the language there shall not be, HOWEVER, it was also pointed out there was NO language that would preclude a rejection if in fact an illegal immigrant did apply. And because there was no specific language to that point, there is a high likely hood they COULD not only be approved, but also be entitled to supplemental funding from Uncle Sam if they could not afford the price of the basic coverage.

Crafted and drafted by lawyers to ASSURE they have their butts covered to provide for their voting constituency. THAT is what rattles the ire of people like me and obviously Wilson....lawyer double speek = same as lying!!!

The man can be a supporters President...that is what it is all about. However, there is a point of reality, regardless who the candidate, who the POTUS, who the party....none matters when there is a potential for what is being said to not be capable of happening. For Obama to say the health care reform will not cost one dime...is double speak. For his statement to be true the Medicare abuse has to be identified and brought under control. It has been proven time and again that such promises in Washington NEVER materialize. Medicare is already forecast to be bannkrupt is not too many years...why aren't or why haven't these so obvious savings been claimed before? If they are known enough to the extent of knowledge that Obama is willing to commit based on their existence, why has it not been done before now? Why isn't it proposed to be done or begun starting tomorrow? Why do we have to wait for this POLITICAL game to be played before stopping the quoted KNOWN ills? Because it is political BS....nothing more.

I have no problem supporting ones man/woman. Doing their bidding blindly because they are one's man/woman just is not justifiable.

Yes he hit all the points....the same ones he has since the beginning.

Forget the partisan debate. How about democracy in action? For instance the will of the people has been quoted as the reason why Obama won the election....majority vote (means anything above one more than the other guy!)....a couple of percent....he wins the will of the people has been fulfilled.

But now on health care reform the will of the people does not mean squat. There is a higher percent against health care reform by a significantly larger margin than what Obama won the election....yet the will of the people has no impact on the Obama, Pelosi, et al. Now please help me understand how it is good for what they want and fagedaboutit for anything against what they want. Is that democracy? No .....partisan politics at it's worst.

Obama has yet to address the needs of the people....only his agenda....he said that last night. Pelosi says it every time a mic is put in front of her.

"Not one dime"....barf

btk

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If this happened to a Republican President - a democrat was to yell out something, he/should would be chastised and booted out!!!! Then, he/she would probably be removed from his/her office for doing so. People need to have respect for the President. There is a correct way of addressing him.

I personally LOVE him, I voted for him and could listen to him speak all day. I suppose that you think that Bush was a good man? <double sigh> :oops: He is the one who got us into this war (there WERE no weapons of mass destruction) and got us into this mess. Nobody knew what was going on financially until the last minute. He (Bush) said that we had a sound economy. Now, you want to complain about a man who happened to get voted in afterward and has to clean up the mess that Bush made??? Egads, I wouldn't want Obama's job for nothing!

Tallulah

You have a VERY short memory !

Do you not recall the Democrats BOOING LOUDLY the President of the United States during a joint session ? Or was that ok with you ?

I surely dont condone Rep Wilson, but you better do some reading on what has happened before throwing stones like this !


And do I need to remind you of the PERSONAL comments made by Pelosi and Reid on the President of the United States ????

Now, again...I certainly do not condone what Rep Wilson did but at least he apologized......NOBODY in the Democratic party did when involved !!!!

I honestly cant figure out what Bush has to do with a conversation on this new health bill !

And to agree with you I enjoy listening to our President as well...he is a beautiful speaker but HE DOES NOT DO WHAT HE SAYS !

PS....PLEASE reply and let us know if it was ok for the Democrats to BOO the President during a joint session...I can only assume by your post that it is ok depending on whether you agree with them !

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If this happened to a Republican President - a democrat was to yell out something, he/should would be chastised and booted out!!!! Then, he/she would probably be removed from his/her office for doing so. People need to have respect for the President. There is a correct way of addressing him.

I personally LOVE him, I voted for him and could listen to him speak all day. I suppose that you think that Bush was a good man? <double sigh> :oops: He is the one who got us into this war (there WERE no weapons of mass destruction) and got us into this mess. Nobody knew what was going on financially until the last minute. He (Bush) said that we had a sound economy. Now, you want to complain about a man who happened to get voted in afterward and has to clean up the mess that Bush made??? Egads, I wouldn't want Obama's job for nothing!

Tallulah

Funny, it was ok to accuse Bush of lying, huh. As for the WMD, I guess you failed to catch the little article hidden in the depths of the newspaper and mentioned kinda like the quick disclaimers on TV ads by the media that Saddam, by his own admission, led the entire world to believe that he had those weapons in order to keep Iran at bay. Personally, I still think he did, but we will never know for sure, will we. Even the non-Republican Congress bought into it and voted to go to war based on the intelligence available at the time. We keep hearing that things are the worst they have been in 26+ years. News flash for you. Bush was not there then but it must be his fault anyway. As for "cleaning up the mess", so far the only thing I've seen is his making it worse by selling us all out. We need something besides pretty talk. Is Bush responsible for the actions of Bernie Madoff, Barney Frank, etc.? Neither is the current one.

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I believe it was the terrorists that started the war if my memory serves correctly. Something about 9/11 and 3000 + Americans being murdered. Minor details right?

Also going back to Bush getting us in this mess. The economy was good most of his 8 years, the numbers prove it. Remember Fanny and Freddie? Go back and watch the congressional hearings and see who started what and who said what. It's all there right from the horses mouth... or should I say the Democrats mouth who by the way controlled congress and the purse strings the last two years of the Bush administration. And for the record the Democrats also said there was absolutely nothing wrong with Freddie and Fanny... right before they crashed... under Democrat congressional oversight. Bush wanted an investigation and regulation. The Dems said no.

How soon we forget.

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in 2003, Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants’ healthcare. The vote came on the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, which contained Sec. 1011 authorizing $250,000 annually between 2003 and 2008 for government reimbursements to hospitals who provide treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants. maybe we need designated hitter.

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American people, keeping it positive, let's say are inspired by Obama and his administration to rise up...finally...and be counted. That they are sick and tired of the give aways, the take aways, the bail outs, the hand outs to those who have things they couldn't afford in the first place, the ongoing freebies to the non contributors, the entitlement society.

The government can only :cus: on we the people for so long.....and now that they are rising up to be heard they are labled as not for Obama....give me a break. I know just as many dems as I do republicans and blacks as I do whites and they have all had it. They voted for change.....not to be had.

So if the rising up of the masses is interpreted as being against Obama....so be it....even though it is an incorrect, partisan view...and yes we respect y'all being entitled. Just don't try to categorize we the people who are fed up with the current trend as only anti Obama.....he ain't that big in some eyes!!!!!!!!

btk