District manager janet tutt

[kaseydog]

District manager of the villages:
What is job description
elected or appointed
term limits

[redwitch]

So far as I know, neither elected nor appointed. She's an employee. Her term ends when she quits or is terminated.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, I'd like to know who's her boss? IMO she favors the developers north of 466.... but I'm probably the only one that can see through the clouds...or should I say smoke::boom::popcorn::popcorn: and yes I can have an opinion, you don't have to agree!

[Mleeja]

District manager of the villages:
What is job description
elected or appointed
term limits

I suggest going to Thevillages.net website. Click on Community Development Districts, then the Organizational Chart. You will see as Disrtict Manager, MS Tutt reports to many masters. I would imagine she has a tough job hearding all of these cats!

[njbchbum]

Perhaps you can have your questions answered by attending a CDD Orientation session?
VCDD Orientation (http://www.districtgov.org/school.aspx)

[manaboutown]

So far as I know, neither elected nor appointed. She's an employee. Her term ends when she quits or is terminated.

:highfive:

[Fanman]

VCDD orientation is the best 2 hours a resident could spend in The Villages. Learn how the system really works.

[Dwyane Johnson]

I agree the vcdd orientation is great, and it's FREE to attend. Should be a requirement for all. :-)

[dbussone]

VCDD Org Chart is worth taking a look at.




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[ColdNoMore]

District manager of the villages:
What is job description
elected or appointed
term limits

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:

[stan the man]

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:

Tutts job is to control the distribution of kool-ade. One can never overdose on the kool-ade

[graciegirl]

District manager of the villages:
What is job description
elected or appointed
term limits

Janet Tutt - Administration for Village Center Community Development District (https://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/The-Villages/janet-tutt/124590825.aspx)

[manaboutown]

The Villages runs efficiently and economically like a well oiled machine. That doesn't happen without great management. Compare management of The Villages to how many struggling communities are run by incompetent and/or corrupt elected officials and be grateful for Janet Tutt and her team! IMHO of course...

[REDCART]

Thank you for supporting Janet Tutt. You could not have stated your case better. I used to attend POA meetings regularly and more often than not Janet would be there with a staff member both to listen and respond. When her husband passed away recently I was hopeful that she would stay on because she'll be very difficult to replace. If she were an elected official I'd not only vote for her but I'd campaign for her as well.

[Bogie Shooter]

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:

Really?

[graciegirl]

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:



Janet Tutt works for the CCDD which is in essence controlled by THE DEVELOPER. Janet Tutt and The Developer do a good job in my opinion and the opinion of most Villagers.

When you work for an entity in essence you must do what is expected of you or you don't get paid although I think the use of the word puppet seems scathing to me.

If a person does not like the form of government called a CCDD they are not forced, coerced or pleaded with to move to one. There are many other developments in Florida that are not CCDD's.

If a person has moved here without prior knowledge of how The Villages is run and finds herself or himself in disagreement with how it is run, one option is to put their property up for sale, sell it and make a profit and move to another area, paying far less for moving here than the price tag would be up North. Another option would be to wait until your Rental contract is up and move to another place where a person can vote, run for office and have a say in decisions like the size of golf holes and what to do when someone saves their seat at a parade.

We all have freedom of choice. No one forced us to move here or to stay here.

I am so glad I live here. Thank you Janet Tutt and The Morse Family.

[Madelaine Amee]

On several occasions I've seen Ms. Tutt address residents and I thought she did an excellent job under very difficult circumstances. She has to report to The Developer as well as try to handle the complaints of thousands of old people who all think their way is the correct way. Since I have lived here she has taken two very difficult situations, both involving people who think they are above the law and entitled to do whatever they wanted to do, she managed to solve both problems in an amicable way for both us and her employer.

She has an unenviable job and I certainly would not do it for any amount of money.

[Topspinmo]

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:

Agree, imagine that:22yikes:

[dbussone]

I believe the Disney parks/properties in Orlando are set up in a manner similar to TV. Imagine that, two very well run organizations - no hysterics or whining on the hour.


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[manaboutown]

She has an unenviable job and I certainly would not do it for any amount of money.

:agree:

[Bonny]

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:
Interesting choice of words. So, if I own a business and I tell my employees, "you work for me, so you'll do things the way I want them done" they would be considered my puppets?
I have to say a big thank you to the Schwartz & Morse family and their "puppets". We've been here 17 years and I love it just as much as I did when I first moved here. What a wonderful place to live. I have access to just about anything I ever want or need and I don't even have to go on a major highway.
What an awesome way to spend the rest of my life!!! :beer3:
Sure beats shoveling snow in Michigan. ;)

[golf2140]

The Villages runs efficiently and economically like a well oiled machine. That doesn't happen without great management. Compare management of The Villages to how many struggling communities are run by incompetent and/or corrupt elected officials and be grateful for Janet Tutt and her team! IMHO of course...

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[Allegiance]

God Bless the Schwartz family, each and everyone.

And bless all who visit and pass through The Villages
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[Rapscallion St Croix]

It took a while, but I have compiled a list of decisions made by Janet Tutt or her subordinates which have affected my daily life;

1. When Monday is a holiday, I must put my trash out for Saturday pick up vs Monday pick up.

[Barefoot]

The Villages runs efficiently and economically like a well oiled machine. That doesn't happen without great management. Compare management of The Villages to how many struggling communities are run by incompetent and/or corrupt elected officials and be grateful for Janet Tutt and her team! IMHO of course...

She has an unenviable job and I certainly would not do it for any amount of money.

Janet Tutt has a really tough job.
I don't always agree with her decisions - but I respect her.

[Villageswimmer]

Thank you for supporting Janet Tutt. You could not have stated your case better. I used to attend POA meetings regularly and more often than not Janet would be there with a staff member both to listen and respond. When her husband passed away recently I was hopeful that she would stay on because she'll be very difficult to replace. If she were an elected official I'd not only vote for her but I'd campaign for her as well.

Agree. Her job is difficult and she handles it with poise and grace. I admire her strength. I don't know how anyone could watch her in action and not. Namaste.

[NotGolfer]

Why oh why is it that folks are so negative about leadership with our community? We all moved here because of it's beauty and the life-style it offers. We've heard about retirement communities that promised many things but didn't deliver so folks are stuck with their purchase and don't have what we have here. I applaude many times over the choices we have here. I have to wonder why some folks get so uptight and can't enjoy what time on earth they have left.

[Philip Winkler]

go to districtgov.org

[Dwyane Johnson]

Janet Tutt is a great person, works hard and genuinely cares about the community. It's a thankless job. Go to vccdd orientation if you've never been...you will walk away with a new outlook on how things work...I did...I promise or your money back.

[Buffalo Jim]

Why oh why is it that folks are so negative about leadership with our community? We all moved here because of it's beauty and the life-style it offers. We've heard about retirement communities that promised many things but didn't deliver so folks are stuck with their purchase and don't have what we have here. I applaude many times over the choices we have here. I have to wonder why some folks get so uptight and can't enjoy what time on earth they have left.

The behavior you reference which is projected by a very loud minority is due to the fact that they hail from places where everyone is miserable and " in your face ".

And such places according to them are " the best " cities / states to be from . You can easily name them . Just being from those garden spots makes you a superior being .

These folks get up in the morning and can`t wait to spend their
waking hours finding as many things to be angry about and to criticize as posable .

Their true joy in life is to cover as many other people with their misery and sense of superiority as possible .
And never forget their motto is that " everyone you meet is trying to rip you off ". It`s just such a lovely philosophy to live by .

[Buffalo Jim]

Interesting choice of words. So, if I own a business and I tell my employees, "you work for me, so you'll do things the way I want them done" they would be considered my puppets?
I have to say a big thank you to the Schwartz & Morse family and their "puppets". We've been here 17 years and I love it just as much as I did when I first moved here. What a wonderful place to live. I have access to just about anything I ever want or need and I don't even have to go on a major highway.
What an awesome way to spend the rest of my life!!! :beer3:
Sure beats shoveling snow in Michigan. ;)

Excellent summary of the truth . I just don`t understand how someone can move here with full knowledge of how this community operates and then act as if they were forced into it .

Especially amazed at those who drop anchor here and then immediately begin to complain as their primary activity .

If and when the inmates take over it will be time to beat a rapid path to the exits . Until then I am very thankful for the Morse Family and hope they make another $1 Billion over the next decade .

[dbussone]

Excellent summary of the truth . I just don`t understand how someone can move here with full knowledge of how this community operates and then act as if they were forced into it .



Especially amazed at those who drop anchor here and then immediately begin to complain as their primary activity .



If and when the inmates take over it will be time to beat a rapid path to the exits . Until then I am very thankful for the Morse Family and hope they make another $1 Billion over the next decade .



Great comment. But I believe the Morses will make $4-5 Billion. The have the goose that laid the golden egg, because they created it. I'm just tickled pink to be along for the ride.

This is a large private corporation that cares about its customers. As you noted, I wonder why those unhappy continue to hang around - unless that is the state of life they enjoy!




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[buzzy]

Where the heck do people come from that they used to have so much control of how their community ran?

[dbussone]

Where the heck do people come from that they used to have so much control of how their community ran?



Inside their heads.


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[birdiebill]

Do some people not perform due diligence prior to deciding to move here? We spent a month renting a designer here prior to making our decision to move here. We wanted to know as many pros and cons about this place as we could
as we compared it to another retirement community in another state. Sure there were a few things that were not ideal, but the many pros of the lifestyle and the way this community is run far outweighed the few minor negatives. We knew exactly what we were getting into and could not be more pleased with our decision. Hope the developer continues to do well and hope he never turns it over to the residents to run.

[Allegiance]

Do some people not perform due diligence prior to deciding to move here? We spent a month renting a designer here prior to making our decision to move here. We wanted to know as many pros and cons about this place as we could
as we compared it to another retirement community in another state. Sure there were a few things that were not ideal, but the many pros of the lifestyle and the way this community is run far outweighed the few minor negatives. We knew exactly what we were getting into and could not be more pleased with our decision. Hope the developer continues to do well and hope he never turns it over to the residents to run.

Totally agree, hope the developer keeps control!

Very curious. What were the cons?

[Buffalo Jim]

Where the heck do people come from that they used to have so much control of how their community ran?

The folks in question believe that they are the victims of a " super-sales person " and were lured here .

There even is an old Broadway Play based on the trickery they were subjected to :

It`s called " The Music Man " and these poor souls were led down the path of ruin ... no doubt by a Great Nephew of
" Professor Harold Hill " who applied the family tricks to " sign 'em up " to live here .

We should all feel badly for them and help raise some funds to assist with their relocation .

[NotGolfer]

I did once ask the question of why did you move here AND why are you staying "IF" it's such a horrible place. The answer was "I like the life-style!" Talk about a stupid response to that question! A dicotomy to be sure!!! It's like saying "I like the feeling when I stop hitting my head againest a rock!" Stupid is as stupid does!! Notice it's the same individuals who are negative about this, that and the other thing and LOVE stirring the pot.

[dbussone]

I did once ask the question of why did you move here AND why are you staying "IF" it's such a horrible place. The answer was "I like the life-style!" Talk about a stupid response to that question! A dicotomy to be sure!!! It's like saying "I like the feeling when I stop hitting my head againest a rock!" Stupid is as stupid does!! Notice it's the same individuals who are negative about this, that and the other thing and LOVE stirring the pot.



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[Mrs. Robinson]

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:

Bingo, Cold! You are right on target.

I find it so interesting that we pay her salary and she works for Morse. In reality, she could care less about the residents.

[xlhig]

VCDD orientation is the best 2 hours a resident could spend in The Villages. Learn how the system really works.

Is there a link to show when/where these meetings are?

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Community Development District Orientation

You are invited to attend our “Introduction to your Special Purpose Local Government” informational program. You will learn how the districts operate and learn other important community information about the people, services, and other supporting entities that help make The Villages a premier community.

No sign-ups or fees are required for this presentation. Sessions are held every Thursday at 10:00 a.m. at the District Office, 984 Old Mill Run.

You may call 352-753-4508 for additional information.

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Welcome Wednesday

Welcome Wednesday is a program designed to give residents the opportunity to learn about ongoing projects, address rumors and have their questions answered by District staff. Please join us each Wednesday at 11:00 a.m. at the District office located at 984 Old Mill Run to have the opportunity to hear first-hand about the latest rumors and meet District Board Supervisors from your CDD and othe

[jblum315]

I think Ms. Tutt works for the developer, and I think she works awfully hard and tries to be fair. Nuff said.

[Allegiance]

...

[Allegiance]

Bingo, Cold! You are right on target.

I find it so interesting that we pay her salary and she works for Morse. In reality, she could care less about the residents.

Position description:

Primary puppet of the developer who is assigned to look like she cares about the residents, but whose primary function...is to promote whatever the developer wants to do and make you think it is always the right thing. :shrug:

Thank you for informing us on how she feels about us.

The Paradox of Empathy | Issue 52 | Philosophy Now (https://philosophynow.org/issues/52/The_Paradox_of_Empathy)

[Taltarzac725]

I think Ms. Tutt works for the developer, and I think she works awfully hard and tries to be fair. Nuff said.

They do seem to try to meet the needs of the home owners here.

[PennBF]

To keep the subject simple. There are 2 ways to pay for an expense in The Villages. (1) Your amenities which have a not to exceed 3% annually, and (2) Project wide to be used only for maintenance and repair and have no limit and is charged to you at tax time.
The park near 466 and Morris Blvd. was paid for out of the project wide fund and it was not either maintenance or repair and therefore avoided the cap placed on the amenities bucket and it was added billing to the residence through their taxes. It would take the Developer's knowledge to approve this expense and gives a good indication as to how loose and how Ms Tutt use the residents money as discretionary for her usage or to approve. Regardless of whether the Park was a good idea it was an abuse to use PW funds as discretionary as opposed to the controls to prevent residents taxed to use something because there are no caps?? If this was done here how many other abuses may be a part of the residents charges??:bowdown:

[biker1]

My deed restrictions refer to the amenities fee increases being tied to the CPI. There is no reference to a limit of 3%.

To keep the subject simple. There are 2 ways to pay for an expense in The Villages. (1) Your amenities which have a not to exceed 3% annually, and (2) Project wide to be used only for maintenance and repair and have no limit and is charged to you at tax time.
The park near 466 and Morris Blvd. was paid for out of the project wide fund and it was not either maintenance or repair and therefore avoided the cap placed on the amenities bucket and it was added billing to the residence through their taxes. It would take the Developer's knowledge to approve this expense and gives a good indication as to how loose and how Ms Tutt use the residents money as discretionary for her usage or to approve. Regardless of whether the Park was a good idea it was an abuse to use PW funds as discretionary as opposed to the controls to prevent residents taxed to use something because there are no caps?? If this was done here how many other abuses may be a part of the residents charges??:bowdown:

[PennBF]

The restriction is cap'd at 3% or the CPI whichever is lower.:bowdown:

[graciegirl]

Thank you for informing us on how she feels about us.

The Paradox of Empathy | Issue 52 | Philosophy Now (https://philosophynow.org/issues/52/The_Paradox_of_Empathy)

I have diligently read this article about Hector and Anita and the Taoist philosopher Chuang Tsu.

I cannot make the corollary. Do you like Janet Tutt? If so, why?

[Allegiance]

I have diligently read this article about Hector and Anita and the Taoist philosopher Chuang Tsu.

I cannot make the corollary. Do you like Janet Tutt? If so, why?

I am sorry for having you read that whole article, I was just making the point that the two posters were telling us about Janet's inner thought process. Which of course is impossible and I disagree with their conclusion.

I think Tutt is doing a great job and that she and the Morse family care about us.

You have implied that there is some mismanagement north of 466. I would like to learn more about that.

I FEEL in my heart that many of these chronic complainers don't live in the villages and/or they have a financial interest in a competitor.

You are a villager, people know it.

I more follow the philosopher / mathematician Pascal

Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager)

And belive it or not, I have tried to take your advice as well, just not well enough so far.

[EPutnam1863]

I believe the Disney parks/properties in Orlando are set up in a manner similar to TV. Imagine that, two very well run organizations - no hysterics or whining on the hour.


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You may be interested in reading the book Celebration U.S.A.

[EPutnam1863]

Agree. Her job is difficult and she handles it with poise and grace. I admire her strength. I don't know how anyone could watch her in action and not. Namaste.

In order to survive such a tough job, it may be necessary to turn off one's emotions.

[dbussone]

You may be interested in reading the book Celebration U.S.A.



I have not heard of that. I will, thanks.


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[biker1]

Please provide a reference as my deed restrictions do not say that.

The restriction is cap'd at 3% or the CPI whichever is lower.:bowdown:

[PennBF]

To get a full description of the controls on emenities and Project Wide you may want to contract the POA for a full explanation. You can find the contacts in their monthly mag.:ho:

[xlhig]

Thank you for the information.

[graciegirl]

To get a full description of the controls on emenities and Project Wide you may want to contract the POA for a full explanation. You can find the contacts in their monthly mag.:ho:

I am not a fan of POA.

[Wiotte]

I am not a fan of POA.



Why ?


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[Allegiance]

I am not a fan of POA.
Did you ever elaborate on the mistakes made by residents in power, north of 466? Is so sorry I missed it.

[ColdNoMore]

Why ?


Some people don't like the POA, because of their successful lawsuit against the developer.

Although it happened before we moved here, I've read the history on it and it's plain to see that the developer, for whatever reason (greed or accounting/projection incompetence)... didn't value future repairs/replacements correctly.

Ironically enough, somewhere in all that I read, Morris himself...admitted to being wrong. :oops:

I totally support the POA, since it is the ONLY organization that tries to protect the residents...NOT the developer.

For those who believe the developer can do no wrong, it's easy to see why the POA...Is not real popular. :shrug:

[Bogie Shooter]

Morse.

[graciegirl]

Morse.

Didn't admit to being wrong.

[PennBF]

If he had to pay $40M it is pretty safe to say Morse was wrong regardless what some may say to try to protect him. We love the Villages but don't lose track that absolute power, (e.g. Morse) can be used to abuse. The family does wonderful things to build a great community BUT that does not mean that along the way they may abuse some of their power. It is similar to the old Company towns in western Pennsylvania on steroids. The POA is the only control the residents have to monitor and occasionally grab a major violation of developer stewardship. Just as the Developer must be cautious not to abuse the power given to him by the residents the POA must be cautious to avoid raising flags of problems when in fact they are for the residents improved living standards. Although the Developer may have concluded the park by 466 and Morse may have been an improvement and it probably was the real problem was a disregard of the rules of the Villages which if a resident did it would be a significant violation and probably caused a serious consequence. In these type of issues the POA is important to alert the residents that a significant abuse has occurred.:ho:

[dbussone]

If he had to pay $40M it is pretty safe to say Morse was wrong regardless what some may say to try to protect him. We love the Villages but don't lose track that absolute power, (e.g. Morse) can be used to abuse. The family does wonderful things to build a great community BUT that does not mean that along the way they may abuse some of their power. It is similar to the old Company towns in western Pennsylvania on steroids. The POA is the only control the residents have to monitor and occasionally grab a major violation of developer stewardship. Just as the Developer must be cautious not to abuse the power given to him by the residents the POA must be cautious to avoid raising flags of problems when in fact they are for the residents improved living standards. Although the Developer may have concluded the park by 466 and Morse may have been an improvement and it probably was the real problem was a disregard of the rules of the Villages which if a resident did it would be a significant violation and probably caused a serious consequence. In these type of issues the POA is important to alert the residents that a significant abuse has occurred.:ho:



Just a technical issue. I don't believe it is the residents who have given the developer power. It seems to me that the developer's power and authority come from 2 places: 1) his ownership of property, and 2) the form of "government" that has been established.

His ownership of property gives him certain privileges in determining how the property he sells may be used. The CDD form of management offers certain benefits, both to the developer and to the residents.

I hope one or more of the legal posters will correct my impressions if appropriate.


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[New Englander]

I am moving to TV in Sept and I have no idea what the POA is. Could someone fill me in? Thanks

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I am moving to TV in Sept and I have no idea what the POA is. Could someone fill me in? Thanks

It is a group without standing that opposes the developer and CDD.

[graciegirl]

Some people don't like the POA, because of their successful lawsuit against the developer.

Although it happened before we moved here, I've read the history on it and it's plain to see that the developer, for whatever reason (greed or accounting/projection incompetence)... didn't value future repairs/replacements correctly.

Ironically enough, somewhere in all that I read, Morris himself...admitted to being wrong. :oops:

I totally support the POA, since it is the ONLY organization that tries to protect the residents...NOT the developer.

For those who believe the developer can do no wrong, it's easy to see why the POA...Is not real popular. :shrug:

The most recent lawsuit brought by POA...wasn't successful.

http://villagespectator.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2015-09-Village-Spectator.pdf

[JoMar]

It is a group without standing that opposes the developer and CDD.

More like a club that the Developer does listen to for input. I have never understood why people believe they live in a democracy in TV.

[Polar Bear]

...I have never understood why people believe they live in a democracy in TV.
I don't think that many people do. They're just fine with it as it is.

[Mleeja]

Sometimes I wish Ms Tutt had as much power as some of the posters think she has. Then she could just kick all of the constant complainers out of The Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

Didn't admit to being wrong.

Oh really?

https://www.ccfj.net/CDDVillages$40milllawsuit.html

"[The developer] has looked at the settlement as an issue of what's good for the community," Johnson said Wednesday in court.

Sure sounds like it to me. :ho:

[graciegirl]

Sometimes I wish Ms Tutt had as much power as some of the posters think she has. Then she could just kick all of the constant complainers out of The Villages.

Yeah. It'd be nice. sigh.

[PennBF]

Back around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a close attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money up for the layw suit and to fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part. :read:

[ColdNoMore]

Back in around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the
Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a ose attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money for the lay suit and fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part. :read:

:BigApplause:...:BigApplause:...:BigApplause:


Thanks for the 'facts.' :thumbup:

[Polar Bear]

The most important thing for a person with power and authority to do is to please EVERYBODY!!

Yeah right. If they're really doing their job, ain't never gonna happen.

[graciegirl]

Back around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a close attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money up for the layw suit and to fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part. :read:

We owned here when the suit was brought in 2008 and we didn't see any lack of caring for the rec centers. We lived just behind Odell and every year every outside facility was painted, The shuffleboard courts, the bocce courts, the picnic gazebo was painted every year and the stone wall was power washed. We went frequently to other rec centers and saw no lack of care. No rats, no mold, no decay that I ever saw at the other, older rec centers when we went to play Bingo at Paradise rec center and others.

I have my views on this subject. There are people who live here who see the developer as an enemy because of the family's huge financial success. The Morse family used their own money each time to invest in expansion. They RISKED their own money.

Some people are just plain jealous of the Morses.

[Mleeja]

Back around 2000 the Recreation Center on the Historical side of the Villages had serious problems, e.g mice in the ceiling, decaying structure. When the residents asked the Developer to fix the problem he said they had no money to do it and that the Develope/Org. had not put reserve funds aside for crisis like these. Up until that time the POA was recognized by the Developer and no problems. However when the POA tried to get the Developer to change his mind he resisted so they brought suit against him. They won and were awarded $40 Million. After that the Developer was against the POA and formed what is now the HOA or "Home Owners Association". The POA is the "Property Owners Association" Thus the HOA is a platform used by the Developer and the POA watches out for the residents while the HOA has a close attachment to the Developer and his actions. To illustrate how dedicated the Board of POA is they put their own money up for the layw suit and to fix the Historical Redc Center. That was a significant risk on their part. :read:

We have not had a good discussion about the merits of the POA vs the VHA in a while. I suggest if one wants to do this start a new topic. However, the poster is correct that the VHA has a better relationship with the developers. The poster is incorrect when the VHA was formed. It was started in 1991, long before the POA. Now if one wishes to extroll the virtues of one over the other, bring it on. Both serve the residents of TV albeit by different methods.

[PennBF]

The note that was sent was to explain the POA and not an attack on the Developer. Also how the HOA is a voice of the Developer and why it was formed.. It is unfair to those that risked their own funds to support the residents on the Historical side to downplay the problems they faced. The court did not award $40 million because there was no problem or neglect. The residents should be happy that an organization like the POA exists since that is the only watch dog they have that is not basis but objective :bowdown:

[Bonny]

The note that was sent was to explain the POA and not an attack on the Developer. Also how the HOA is a voice of the Developer and why it was formed.. It is unfair to those that risked their own funds to support the residents on the Historical side to downplay the problems they faced. The court did not award $40 million because there was no problem or neglect. The residents should be happy that an organization like the POA exists since that is the only watch dog they have that is not basis but objective :bowdown:
Just FYI, it's the VHA not HOA. Villages Homeowners Association.

[ColdNoMore]

The note that was sent was to explain the POA and not an attack on the Developer. Also how the HOA is a voice of the Developer and why it was formed.. It is unfair to those that risked their own funds to support the residents on the Historical side to downplay the problems they faced. The court did not award $40 million because there was no problem or neglect. The residents should be happy that an organization like the POA exists since that is the only watch dog they have that is not basis but objective :bowdown:

In a nutshell, the VHA protects the interests of the developer...and the POA protects the interests of the residents.

It's up to everyone to decide who they believe needs the most advocacy...and which they prefer to support. :shrug:

[Mikeod]

We owned here when the suit was brought in 2008 and we didn't see any lack of caring for the rec centers. We lived just behind Odell and every year every outside facility was painted, The shuffleboard courts, the bocce courts, the picnic gazebo was painted every year and the stone wall was power washed. We went frequently to other rec centers and saw no lack of care. No rats, no mold, no decay that I ever saw at the other, older rec centers when we went to play Bingo at Paradise rec center and others.

I have my views on this subject. There are people who live here who see the developer as an enemy because of the family's huge financial success. The Morse family used their own money each time to invest in expansion. They RISKED their own money.

Some people are just plain jealous of the Morses.
Of course the rec centers you saw in 2008 looked great, they were fairly new. The problem as stated above was on the historic side with rec centers that were several years old and showing signs of deterioration. Residents believed that funds were to be set aside for repair and refurbishment only to be told there were insufficient funds to do this. Thus the suit. From all I've read, Gary Morse did agree that things were not done that should have been.

[PennBF]

I was not going to write any more on this BUT can't let it stand that VHA was founded before POA. That is absolutely wrong!! The VHA was an outgrowth of the POA going against the Developer to force the repair and replacements for the Historical side needs..:bowdown:

[Bonny]

FYI.....
The POA was founded in 1975. The VHA was founded in 1990.
We joined the VHA in 1999 and got the Lifetime Membership.

[graciegirl]

Of course the rec centers you saw in 2008 looked great, they were fairly new. The problem as stated above was on the historic side with rec centers that were several years old and showing signs of deterioration. Residents believed that funds were to be set aside for repair and refurbishment only to be told there were insufficient funds to do this. Thus the suit. From all I've read, Gary Morse did agree that things were not done that should have been.

I mentioned we went to Paradise to play Bingo.

[Allegiance]

I mentioned we went to Paradise to play Bingo.
Rough neighborhood [emoji6]

[PennBF]

I am just wondering why, in some case there is a push to get this thread shut down? There are 18 pages addressing the subject which demonstrates a pretty broad interest. It is simple that if you don't appreciate the subject to just move on and not read. The real question is what would drive someone to try to stop others from discussing a subject??:shrug:

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[Rapscallion St Croix]

I am just wondering why, in some case there is a push to get this thread shut down? There are 18 pages addressing the subject which demonstrates a pretty broad interest. It is simple that if you don't appreciate the subject to just move on and not read. The real question is what would drive someone to try to stop others from discussing a subject??:shrug:

When dogmas collide, tedious, pointless, impractical, arguments ensue. The arguments evolve into contradictions. No minds get changed.

[Moderator]

This thread topic is Janet Tutt. It has wandered far away from that topic and is now closed. If you want to further discuss VHA vs. POA or other topics, please start a new thread on that topic.

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