CBO on Trumpcare

[Sandtrap328]

The Congressional Budget Office today said that approximately 22 MILLION AMERICANS will be left without health insurance through the Republican plan from the Senate.

But who in The Villages cares? After all, the 22 MILLION AMERICANS being discussed are Hispanics, AfricanAmerican, or other undetermined races and not White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Republicans. How about you, Rubicon?

Hopefully, the Democratic Senators will stand firm and the 5 or more American Senators will vote NO.

#not my president

[Allegiance]

The Congressional Budget Office today said that approximately 22 MILLION AMERICANS will be left without health insurance through the Republican plan from the Senate.

But who in The Villages cares? After all, the 22 MILLION AMERICANS being discussed are Hispanics, AfricanAmerican, or other undetermined races and not White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Republicans. How about you, Rubicon?

Hopefully, the Democratic Senators will stand firm and the 5 or more American Senators will vote NO.

#not my president
Over ten years! Little point missed.

Now how many more will be covered because they now have good jobs?

How much saved by not giving illegal aliens coverage?

When Trump overhauls the corrupt medical cartels and lobbies we can actually have good medical insurance for all.

Over 10 years Sandy, don't forget to leave out little details!

There will be so much winning over the next 8 years!

Winning!

[AJ32162]

The Congressional Budget Office today said that approximately 22 MILLION AMERICANS will be left without health insurance through the Republican plan from the Senate.

But who in The Villages cares? After all, the 22 MILLION AMERICANS being discussed are Hispanics, AfricanAmerican, or other undetermined races and not White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Republicans. How about you, Rubicon?

Hopefully, the Democratic Senators will stand firm and the 5 or more American Senators will vote NO.

#not my president

How many millions will be left uninsured when ObamaCare collapses if the Republicans do nothing?

[Allegiance]

How many millions will be left uninsured when ObamaCare collapses if the Republicans do nothing?
Much more than 22 million OVER 10 YEARS!

[Paper1]

Again posters on this forum refuse to look at root cause of problem, NO ONE CAN AFFORD MEDICAL CARE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE, MAYBE TAXPAYERS IS PAYING.

[Allegiance]

Again posters on this forum refuse to look at root cause of problem, NO ONE CAN AFFORD MEDICAL CARE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE, MAYBE TAXPAYERS IS PAYING.
And liberals fail to see that a non politican, exactly like trump, as president is the only hope to "cure" the problem.


Now get behind him and see real change.

[Sandtrap328]

Over ten years! Little point missed.

Now how many more will be covered because they now have good jobs?

How much saved by not giving illegal aliens coverage?

When Trump overhauls the corrupt medical cartels and lobbies we can actually have good medical insurance for all.

Over 10 years Sandy, don't forget to leave out little details!

There will be so much winning over the next 8 years!

Winning!

Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.

[Allegiance]

Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.
Have you ever lived in nyc.... lol, illegals don't get health care.... duh

[bobnyce]

Give it up already! You lost the election, obamacare failed so now Trump is not your president! Boo hoo.

[cologal]

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.

If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!



COPUFF OUTWEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

40 YEARS SPENT IN HOSPITALS.......

[AJ32162]

Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.

Your statement is simply not true. Many employers provide health benefits to their employees.

How many millions will lose their health insurance with the failure of ObamaCare?

[Allegiance]

At the end of 4 years, Trump's adjusted unemployment rate will actually be a negative number compared to Obama.

Less on welfare, more employed. Even Tal will have a job.

God bless Trump

[AJ32162]

At the end of 4 years, Trump's adjusted unemployment rate will actually be a negative number compared to Obama.

Less on welfare, more employed. Even Tal will have a job.

God bless Trump

Unfortunately, Tal will probably still be unemployed.

[dbussone]

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.



If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!







COPUFF OUTWEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!



40 YEARS SPENT IN HOSPITALS.......



Very well said. "Can you say EMTALA"

Before Obamacare, hospital ERs were the primary care sites for anyone who walked in (or used an ambulance as a taxi). That really didn't change over the last 8 years, and probably won't change anytime soon.

45 years spent running hospitals. [emoji41]


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[dirtbanker]

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.

If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!



COPUFF OUTWEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

40 YEARS SPENT IN HOSPITALS.......

Yes, injuries and illness are always targeting the un-insured...

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[Allegiance]

Very well said. "Can you say EMTALA"

Before Obamacare, hospital ERs were the primary care sites for anyone who walked in (or used an ambulance as a taxi). That really didn't change over the last 8 years, and probably won't change anytime soon.

45 years spent running hospitals. [emoji41]


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I have seen with my own eyes people actually using an ambulance as a free taxi. Guess what, they were illegal aliens in a shelter already getting free room and board, but yet "worked" way off the books.


A nyc worker can get fired for asking residency status. Yet Sandy says illegals don't get health care.

THEY GET EVERYTHING!!!

Immigrant Rights and Services : Office of the New York City Comptroller Scott M. Stringer (https://comptroller.nyc.gov/services/for-the-public/immigrant-rights-and-services/)

SANDY, Do you remember, we met in person. You were that extremely nice guy who I thought believed the nyc experiences I talked about. I was that decrepit old 80 guy that cnm refers to. My wife said you were a nice guy too.

[dirtbanker]

Unfortunately, Tal will probably still be unemployed.
The wackadoodle has not been unemployed due to a lack of available jobs, it has been a lack of need (thanks to his mommy) and a lack of motivation (thanks to the liberals).

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[dirtbanker]

I have seen with my own eyes people actually using an ambulance as a free taxi. Guess what, they were illegal aliens in a shelter already getting free room and board, but yet "worked" way off the books.


A nyc worker can get fired for asking residency status. Yet Sandy says illegals don't get health care.

THEY GET EVERYTHING!!!

Immigrant Rights and Services : Office of the New York City Comptroller Scott M. Stringer (https://comptroller.nyc.gov/services/for-the-public/immigrant-rights-and-services/)

SANDY, Do you remember, we met in person. You were that extremely nice guy who I thought believed the nyc experiences I talked about. I was that decrepit old 80 guy that cnm refers to. My wife said you were a nice guy too.
Sandy changed when Crooked Hillary lost...

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[Abby10]

Employers will not be required to give health insurance. If not required, they will not give it.

Over 10 years, 22 million uninsured. Wow! That is great!

Illegals do not get health insurance.

Check your employment rates!

Anyhow, Senate version is DOA. More wasted time from Dumplicans and Trumpanzee supporters.

I wonder about your first statement above. Isn't it true that prior to the ACA being enacted, that health insurance provided by employers was voluntary? And if true, it seems to me that insurance coverage was less of a problem then. Most employers covered their full-time employees due to competition and the desire to retain workers. Insurance was not as expensive then either. It seems to me with the implementation of the ACA, 2 things occurred. Insurance premiums skyrocketed while overall coverage declined, and employers quit hiring full-time workers to avoid paying the exorbitant rates and to keep their businesses afloat. At least this was my experience working for a small business after the ACA was implemented.

[dbussone]

I wonder about your first statement above. Isn't it true that prior to the ACA being enacted, that health insurance provided by employers was voluntary? And if true, it seems to me that insurance coverage was less of a problem then. Most employers covered their full-time employees due to competition and the desire to retain workers. Insurance was not as expensive then either. It seems to me with the implementation of the ACA, 2 things occurred. Insurance premiums skyrocketed while overall coverage declined, and employers quit hiring full-time workers to avoid paying the exorbitant rates and to keep their businesses afloat. At least this was my experience working for a small business after the ACA was implemented.



I believe you have accurately stated the case.


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[ColdNoMore]

Very well said. "Can you say EMTALA"

Before Obamacare, hospital ERs were the primary care sites for anyone who walked in (or used an ambulance as a taxi). That really didn't change over the last 8 years, and probably won't change anytime soon.

45 years spent running hospitals. [emoji41]


If you're an expert...why are you lying (even if it's by omission)?

EMTALA is limited, was meant to stabilize those needing immediate medical attention and does not provide any type of care such as those with cancer, preventive care or scheduled (but needed) surgery. :oops:

Is the emergency system abused at times?

Of course.

Does that mean since it can be abused, then those that need it should be punished also?

Only those who are naturally cold-hearted and have the attitude of "I got mine, screw you"...think so. :ohdear:

I'M sure that it is only the poor, and that they are made up of a disproportionalot number of minorities...has nothing to do with those having your attitude.


Really sad when you think about it. :(

[Allegiance]

If you're an expert...why are you lying (even if it's by omission)?

EMTALA is limited, was meant to stabilize those needing immediate medical attention and does not provide any type of care such as those with cancer, preventive care or scheduled (but needed) surgery. :oops:

Is the emergency system abused at times?

Of course.

Does that mean since it can be abused, then those that need it should be punished also?

Only those who are naturally cold-hearted and have the attitude of "I got mine, screw you"...think so. :ohdear:

I'M sure that it is only the poor, and that they are made up of a disproportionalot number of minorities...has nothing to do with those having your attitude.


Really sad when you think about it. :(
Let's have an open heart and borders and give free health care to the world.

O wait, working America voted overwhelming against that.

Now go poop your pants you coward

[dirtbanker]

Really sad when you think about it. :(
Baawk, baawkk, bawwkk...pu$$y!


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[wjboyer1]

It will not matter to Hospitals if someone comes into the Emergency room without insurance. They will, in the case of an emergency, be required to treat them.

If you think emergency rooms are crowed now just wait!



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Actually, ER's are NOT all required to treat everyone. They must accept live-threatening conditions only....they can refuse all other patients and refer them to county hospitals

[dbussone]

If you're an expert...why are you lying (even if it's by omission)?



EMTALA is limited, was meant to stabilize those needing immediate medical attention and does not provide any type of care such as those with cancer, preventive care or scheduled (but needed) surgery. :oops:



Is the emergency system abused at times?



Of course.



Does that mean since it can be abused, then those that need it should be punished also?



Only those who are naturally cold-hearted and have the attitude of "I got mine, screw you"...think so. :ohdear:



I'M sure that it is only the poor, and that they are made up of a disproportionalot number of minorities...has nothing to do with those having your attitude.





Really sad when you think about it. :(



Unless you can provide proof you know more about healthcare than I do say goodby, ColdNoMoreToo. EMTALA became another reason to sue hospitals. You may know about the law - but you have no understanding of the means used to abuse it or the actual impact.

Bye bye CNM & CNM2. Go play in a thread where you can do better pretending you know something.


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[Nucky]

[QUOTE=Guest]Unless you can provide proof you know more about healthcare than I do say goodby, ColdNoMoreToo. EMTALA became another reason to sue hospitals. You may know about the law - but you have no understanding of the means used to abuse it or the actual impact.

Bye bye CNM & CNM2. Go play in a thread where you can do better pretending you know something.


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NAILED IT! I'm in heaven! Ah!

[dbussone]

Actually, ER's are NOT all required to treat everyone. They must accept live-threatening conditions only....they can refuse all other patients and refer them to county hospitals



What an ER MUST accept and WILL accept are two different animals. EMTALA changed the ER landscape.

I refer you to post #25 above where another know it all tried to explain hospital ER reality to me.

Just what is your basis of knowledge in healthcare? MD? RN? Hospital CEO? Just guessing? And if you are an attorney you can just quit now!


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[wjboyer1]

What an ER MUST accept and WILL accept are two different animals. EMTALA changed the ER landscape.

I refer you to post #25 above where another know it all tried to explain hospital ER reality to me.

Just what is your basis of knowledge in healthcare? MD? RN? Hospital CEO? Just guessing? And if you are an attorney you can just quit now!


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I am a paramedic/firefighter, and have had patients diverted because they were not life-threatened and not insured .......

[Allegiance]

Lol

[Allegiance]

I am a paramedic/firefighter, and have had patients diverted because they were not life-threatened and not insured .......
Boy, dat you?

Transgender firefighter marches as NYC Pride Parade grand marshal - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/25/us/firefighter-transgender-woman-pride/index.html)

[dbussone]

I am a paramedic/firefighter, and have had patients diverted because they were not life-threatened and not insured .......



Are you sure it was because of their financial status? And why were you doing a wallet biopsy?

None of my hospitals ever turned an ambulance away, unless they were on diversion resulting from being slammed and unable to take care of the existing patients.


Even when we didn't provide the specific service the patient was expected to require, we had to accept and stabilize the patient. Then we had to find a hospital that provided that service and would accept the patient.

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[wjboyer1]

Are you sure it was because of their financial status? And why were you doing a wallet biopsy?

None of my hospitals ever turned an ambulance away, unless they were on diversion resulting from being slammed and unable to take care of the existing patients.


Even when we didn't provide the specific service the patient was expected to require, we had to accept and stabilize the patient. Then we had to find a hospital that provided that service and would accept the patient.

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Every state has laws that treat ambulance calls differently. I had to divert to county hospitals when a patient said that they were not insured, and their injuries/illnesses were not life threatening. I also had to transport patients FROM hospital ER's that determined that the patients were not insured and they had been stabilized to county hospitals as well.
I am sure, I did it many times.

[dbussone]

Every state has laws that treat ambulance calls differently. I had to divert to county hospitals when a patient said that they were not insured, and their injuries/illnesses were not life threatening. I also had to transport patients FROM hospital ER's that determined that the patients were not insured and they had been stabilized to county hospitals as well.
I am sure, I did it many times.



I'm sure you did what you felt you were supposed to do, per your protocols.

I've run 2 Level One trauma systems with helicopter programs, and 2 private systems (one with 12 hospitals and one with 15 hospitals). My attorneys for all were rock solid on how we had to deal with patients coming to the ER.

Do you mind stating the general geographic area where you worked?


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[wjboyer1]

I'm sure you did what you felt you were supposed to do, per your protocols.

I've run 2 Level One trauma systems with helicopter programs, and 2 private systems (one with 12 hospitals and one with 15 hospitals). My attorneys for all were rock solid on how we had to deal with patients coming to the ER.

Do you mind stating the general geographic area where you worked?


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Chicago

[dbussone]

Chicago



Understood. I had acquaintances in Chicago. It sounded like the Wild West with Cook County always at the OK Corral.

Thank you for your service. First responders, especially those in EMS, are often overlooked.


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[wjboyer1]

Understood. I had acquaintances in Chicago. It sounded like the Wild West with Cook County always at the OK Corral.

Thank you for your service. First responders, especially those in EMS, are often overlooked.


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I have since retired, so things may have changed in the past 5 or so years because of the AHA

[dbussone]

I have since retired, so things may have changed in the past 5 or so years because of the AHA



We have both retired but somehow I don't think things are that different from when we last worked. [emoji41]


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[wjboyer1]

We have both retired but somehow I don't think things are that different from when we last worked. [emoji41]


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Are you a golfer?

[Chi-Town]

I'm sure you did what you felt you were supposed to do, per your protocols.

I've run 2 Level One trauma systems with helicopter programs, and 2 private systems (one with 12 hospitals and one with 15 hospitals). My attorneys for all were rock solid on how we had to deal with patients coming to the ER.

Do you mind stating the general geographic area where you worked?


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You've stated that you ran hospitals for 45 years. Were you the CEO? President? COO perhaps? My dealings got me to the CFO and only higher if it was a complete supply chain proposal that would involve all management.

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[dbussone]

Are you a golfer?



A duffer. I started playing when I moved here. When I was working I could never find the time to play.


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[wjboyer1]

A duffer. I started playing when I moved here. When I was working I could never find the time to play.


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do you mind if i PM you?

[dbussone]

You've stated that you ran hospitals for 45 years. Were you the CEO? President? COO perhaps? My dealings got me to the CFO and only higher if it was a complete supply chain proposal that would involve all management.

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COO until about 1984, then CEO of smaller and progressively larger systems (12-15 hospitals). My last job was number 2 in a publicly traded company.


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[dbussone]

do you mind if i PM you?



Not at all.


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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The CBO also said that 23 million more people would be covered by Obamacare when it fact only about 11 million were.

The CBO also said that the cost of medical care would go down when Obamacare was implemented when in fact, it has gone up considerably.

The CBO is wrong more often than it is right. The only reason that they still exist is to provide jobs for politicians.

[ColdNoMore]

The CBO also said that 23 million more people would be covered by Obamacare when it fact only about 11 million were.

The CBO also said that the cost of medical care would go down when Obamacare was implemented when in fact, it has gone up considerably.

The CBO is wrong more often than it is right. The only reason that they still exist is to provide jobs for politicians.

Proof?

Legitimate link(s)?

[Abby10]

Proof?

Legitimate link(s)?

Easy to Google and see that what he says is true.

[Rockyrd]

Proof?

Legitimate link(s)?

Actually, the link below, complete with charts, etc. validate the CBO accuracy and how well they did with ObamaCare projections.

Here's how well the CBO did at forecasting Obamacare - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/heres-how-well-the-cbo-did-at-forecasting-the-last-big-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.c78fdbde0846)

[dbussone]

OBAMACARE FACT OF THE DAY
FACT: When Obamacare was signed into law, CBO estimated that 23 million people would be covered in Obamacare’s exchanges in 2017. They were off by more than 100% - nearly 13 million people.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare (https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace-obamacare?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20170626_ADM_1600-Daily)


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[MDLNB]

The CBO now says 26 million, but the dumb @ss libtards exaggerate the wording to reflect that they will LOSE their insurance or won't be able to get insurance. It actually means that they will NOT HAVE insurance. Which means that many of them that had been mandated to purchase insurance will no longer be forced to have it or want it, and will drop their insurance. Right now, 31+ million do not have health insurance according to the CBO.

[Rockyrd]

OBAMACARE FACT OF THE DAY
FACT: When Obamacare was signed into law, CBO estimated that 23 million people would be covered in Obamacare’s exchanges in 2017. They were off by more than 100% - nearly 13 million people.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare (https://www.whitehouse.gov/repeal-and-replace-obamacare?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20170626_ADM_1600-Daily)


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I am and have been since day one opposed to ObamaCare, but at least do your due diligence and use facts. This WH and his followers have made it routine to just lie or make things up.
READ BOTH SIDES, NOT SELECTED ITEMS


"Last year, only 21 million Americans were supposed to be uninsured, according to CBO's initial projections. The actual figure appears to be more like 27 million."

That figure is partially a result of the fact that the CBO could not have anticipated that the Supreme Court would make the expansion of Medicaid optional for states under Obamacare. Many Republican officials chose not to expand the program in their states, resulting in fewer people receiving coverage than initially envisioned."

Here's how well the CBO did at forecasting Obamacare - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/heres-how-well-the-cbo-did-at-forecasting-the-last-big-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.51aa2be0ad08)

The Republican party is and has been well aware of what would or is happening on this, but you are grasping at spin.

This NEVER gets worked out till the day they, BOTH PARTIES, get into a room and do what is best FOR THE COUNTRY.

The Republicans right now have no leadership from the WH and that is hurting them. He does not get it at all and is more interested in talking about himself instead of ACTUALLY WORKING to get health care and it WILL take both sides, but that mean our President may have to "eat crow" on a few of the things he has said, but lets work on what is best for the USA.

[dbussone]

I am and have been since day one opposed to ObamaCare, but at least do your due diligence and use facts. This WH and his followers have made it routine to just lie or make things up.

READ BOTH SIDES, NOT SELECTED ITEMS





"Last year, only 21 million Americans were supposed to be uninsured, according to CBO's initial projections. The actual figure appears to be more like 27 million."



That figure is partially a result of the fact that the CBO could not have anticipated that the Supreme Court would make the expansion of Medicaid optional for states under Obamacare. Many Republican officials chose not to expand the program in their states, resulting in fewer people receiving coverage than initially envisioned."



Here's how well the CBO did at forecasting Obamacare - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/heres-how-well-the-cbo-did-at-forecasting-the-last-big-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.51aa2be0ad08)



The Republican party is and has been well aware of what would or is happening on this, but you are grasping at spin.



This NEVER gets worked out till the day they, BOTH PARTIES, get into a room and do what is best FOR THE COUNTRY.



The Republicans right now have no leadership from the WH and that is hurting them. He does not get it at all and is more interested in talking about himself instead of ACTUALLY WORKING to get health care and it WILL take both sides, but that mean our President may have to "eat crow" on a few of the things he has said, but lets work on what is best for the USA.



You don't like my sources, and I don't believe yours, so let's just agree to disagree.


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[MDLNB]

As of today there are 31,135,276 without health care insurance. It does not say why. Perhaps they do not WISH to purchase insurance. Maybe they are wealthy and do not require the insurance. We know that if they are on welfare, they get free insurance so what's the big deal about Obiecare?

[Rockyrd]

You don't like my sources, and I don't believe yours, so let's just agree to disagree.


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Your source was the White House.

Why do you think respect for our country has plummeted. They do not tell the truth. They ignore totally the non expansion of medicaire in Republican states.

My source, if you opened the link at all, was the actual,CBO report from the time in question.

BUT, does not change the fact that without the two parties coming together, whatever that is done is simply passing it off. It is a hard, difficult question, not solved by political ideaology but simply asking our elected officials to do the best, without consideration to party crap.

[dbussone]

Your source was the White House.



Why do you think respect for our country has plummeted. They do not tell the truth. They ignore totally the non expansion of medicaire in Republican states.



My source, if you opened the link at all, was the actual,CBO report from the time in question.



BUT, does not change the fact that without the two parties coming together, whatever that is done is simply passing it off. It is a hard, difficult question, not solved by political ideaology but simply asking our elected officials to do the best, without consideration to party crap.



And the CBO has repeatedly and historically been incorrect.


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[ColdNoMore]

Actually, the link below, complete with charts, etc. validate the CBO accuracy and how well they did with ObamaCare projections.

Here's how well the CBO did at forecasting Obamacare - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/06/26/heres-how-well-the-cbo-did-at-forecasting-the-last-big-health-care-bill/?utm_term=.c78fdbde0846)

Perfect...thank you.

So it proves, once again, that MOCPD simply lies and makes things up (or passes on fake right-wing news)...when it suits him.

Color me...NOT shocked. :ohdear:

[Allegiance]

Perfect...thank you.

So it proves, once again, that MOCPD simply lies and makes things up (or passes on fake right-wing news)...when it suits him.

Color me...NOT shocked. :ho:
Don't get excited, don't want to SHlT your pants again.


Anyone see papi?

[dirtbanker]

Baawk baawkk bawwkk

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[Rockyrd]

People have been saying all along, he has no leadership ability. He is used to pushing people around and thats it.

This guy is not even close to a leader.

He has all the Twitter followers and instead of lobbying and talking about tax reform and/or health care, HE IS STILL INVOLVED IN THE ELECTION THAT TOOK PLACE SEVEN MONTHS AGO

Taking our world standing to a new low and even his own party is trying in nice ways to tell him to "wake up"
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"WASHINGTON — President Trump personally lobbied House Republicans to pass health care legislation this year, but the Trump team’s heavy-handed tactics have been ineffective in the Senate, leaving him on the sidelines while Vice President Mike Pence led the effort to salvage the foundering bill.

..."But the Republican Senate leaders have made it known that they would much rather negotiate with Mr. Pence than the president, according to several White House and congressional officials. And some of the White House’s efforts have clearly been counterproductive.

Mr. McConnell made clear his unhappiness to the White House after a “super PAC” aligned with Mr. Trump started an ad campaign against Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, when he said last week that he opposed the health care bill."



"The majority leader called the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, to complain that the attacks were “beyond stupid,” according to two Republicans with knowledge of the tense exchange on Saturday."

As Trump’s Tactics Fall Short, Pence Takes Lead on Health Bill - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/27/us/health-care-bill-trump-pence.html)

[MDLNB]

Perfect...thank you.

So it proves, once again, that MOCPD simply lies and makes things up (or passes on fake right-wing news)...when it suits him.

Color me...NOT shocked. :ohdear:

My information was from the CBO as of today, idiot. Here, let me spoon feed you so that you needy libtards don't mess your pampers. This will give you even more information so that you can see other sites stats such as Bureau of Labor Stats, etc. along with the CBO stats.
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

No wonder your party is almost defunct. Better start planning your wake. We'll make it rainbow color theme too.

[dirtbanker]

People have been saying all along, he has no leadership ability. He is used to pushing people around and thats it.

This guy is not even close to a leader.
People have been saying he is a great leader too. You choose to believe the liberals...and claim to be Republican. I have no idea how you make that c laim as you have hated every president since Eisenhower. Fvck, you voted Dopey Smurf for president...loser.


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[Rockyrd]

Interesting leader who seems to care nothing about the country...just HIM

(CNN) If President Trump's Twitter feed is the the most direct window into his brain, he is spending more time focused on the various Russia investigations, Hillary Clinton and Democratic Party politics than the health care bill Senate Republicans are planning to vote on this week.



As the health care vote looms, Trump'''s tweets look elsewhere. (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/26/politics/trump-tweets-distraction-health-care/index.html)

[cologal]

Yes, injuries and illness are always targeting the un-insured...

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The uninsured do use ER's as their primary healthcare provider.

[cologal]

Try this one on.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/05/how-trump-plan-to-gut-obamacare-will-take-down-medicare/#4198e1c5e618


I hope it's not true but then again I don't trust Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/05/how-trump-plan-to-gut-obamacare-will-take-down-medicare/#4198e1c5e618

I trust Forbes is a credible source!

COPUFF......

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Again posters on this forum refuse to look at root cause of problem, NO ONE CAN AFFORD MEDICAL CARE UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE, MAYBE TAXPAYERS IS PAYING.

I agree. and the solution is competition. Get the government out of the healthcare business and limit the type of insurance can be written.

When people have to pay for it themselves, the prices will come down to what the market will bear. In addition, we should all have catastrophic coverage so that if something really bad happens we don't lose our homes and estates.

Healthcare prices are inflated because the providers know that the insurance companies are going to demand deep discounts. When you are giving a company 90% of its business you can determine the price. Healthcare providers set prices knowing that insurance companies are only going to pay 20% of what they ask. So if you don't have insurance, you pay 80% more than the insurance companies.

[dirtbanker]

The uninsured do use ER's as their primary healthcare provider.

Someone could argue; so do a number of the insured, what is the significance of that??

I believe you were originally trying to say that the uninsured were going to overwhelm the emergency rooms (due to being uninsured?). This comes across to me as a liberal "fear" statement.

I was trying to point out that it does not matter if you have insurance, or not, when you have an emergency (heart attack, been in a car accident), you are taken to the emergency room. I don't believe the ambulance driver will take you to your general practitioners office.

Don't waste your time trying to infer that people with the sniffles or colds are going to be flocking to the emergency room for treatment...the triage nurse at reception will send those on down the road. The emergency rooms are mostly run by subcontractors today and they are doing it for profit. They have no moral or legal duty to aid someone that has a non life threatening condition...

[Don Baldwin]

The CBO also said that 23 million more people would be covered by Obamacare when it fact only about 11 million were.

The CBO also said that the cost of medical care would go down when Obamacare was implemented when in fact, it has gone up considerably.

The CBO is wrong more often than it is right. The only reason that they still exist is to provide jobs for politicians.

They are a political organization...you'll find propaganda as often as truth.

As of today there are 31,135,276 without health care insurance. It does not say why. Perhaps they do not WISH to purchase insurance. Maybe they are wealthy and do not require the insurance. We know that if they are on welfare, they get free insurance so what's the big deal about Obiecare?

Those are the ones NOT receiving medicaid. Add them ALL up...EVERYONE receiving some form of government healthcare assistance and it's well over 100 million.

People have been saying he is a great leader too. You choose to believe the liberals...and claim to be Republican. I have no idea how you make that c laim as you have hated every president since Eisenhower. Fvck, you voted Dopey Smurf for president...loser.


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I've hated them ALL...well most anyway...and IF I knew the truth...I'd probably hate them all.

ALL the presidents are there for wealth, power, prestige.

Try this one on.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/05/how-trump-plan-to-gut-obamacare-will-take-down-medicare/#4198e1c5e618


I hope it's not true but then again I don't trust Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/05/how-trump-plan-to-gut-obamacare-will-take-down-medicare/#4198e1c5e618

I trust Forbes is a credible source!

COPUFF......

Why? They write propaganda too.

Someone could argue; so do a number of the insured, what is the significance of that??

I believe you were originally trying to say that the uninsured were going to overwhelm the emergency rooms (due to being uninsured?). This comes across to me as a liberal "fear" statement.

I was trying to point out that it does not matter if you have insurance, or not, when you have an emergency (heart attack, been in a car accident), you are taken to the emergency room. I don't believe the ambulance driver will take you to your general practitioners office.

Don't waste your time trying to infer that people with the sniffles or colds are going to be flocking to the emergency room for treatment...the triage nurse at reception will send those on down the road. The emergency rooms are mostly run by subcontractors today and they are doing it for profit. They have no moral or legal duty to aid someone that has a non life threatening condition...

THAT is the problem with the medical industry...they have your life in their hands...they can charge ANYTHING...and they do...there's a LOT of profit in healthcare.

[Chi-Town]

Don't waste your time trying to infer that people with the sniffles or colds are going to be flocking to the emergency room for treatment...the triage nurse at reception will send those on down the road. The emergency rooms are mostly run by subcontractors today and they are doing it for profit. They have no moral or legal duty to aid someone that has a non life threatening condition...

Emergency Departments or EDs in disadvantaged neighborhoods were used as doctor's offices. And no one was sent down the road. Since I retired the end of '09 I don't know if that changed. But be assured that was the case. Ambulances would be sent to other hospitals because the ED was so jammed. And this was every day.

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[Rockyrd]

During the Republican primary, I was excited about the conversations about the ACA. Having opposed the bill that passed, I was thrilled to hear members of the Republican Party speaking of working to FIX the existing bill. I felt it might be a little late, but at least we get it fixed for our country.

Then the loud voices took over, playing to emotion, instead of facts.

Now, this loud mouth yelling is on the precipice of destroying the entire party.

The President simply is so involved in his own petty wars still fighting the election, and has decided to use the biggest "bully pulpit" in the world to look out for him and let the party simply be hung out to dry.

Only Trump could make ObamaCare more popular. And make no mistake...his lies and the lack of trust in him is at the core.

But he sure took a rallying cry and turned it around, and made ObamaCare much more popular.


"A new USA Today/Suffolk University Poll has found that just 12% of Americans support any of the Republican health care bills proving that Trumpcare has turned into a raging inferno that is burning down the Republican Party.

USA Today has the data on their poll, “Just 12% of Americans support the Senate Republican health care plan, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, amid a roiling debate over whether the GOP will deliver on its signature promise to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. In the survey, taken Saturday through Tuesday, a 53% majority say Congress should either leave the law known as Obamacare alone or work to fix its problems while keeping its framework intact.”

Republicans Die A Death of 1,000 Obamacare Lies As Just 12% Support GOP Healthcare Bill (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/28/republicans-die-death-1000-obamacare-lies-12-support-gop-healthcare-bill.html)

[Don Baldwin]

During the Republican primary, I was excited about the conversations about the ACA. Having opposed the bill that passed, I was thrilled to hear members of the Republican Party speaking of working to FIX the existing bill. I felt it might be a little late, but at least we get it fixed for our country.

Then the loud voices took over, playing to emotion, instead of facts.

Now, this loud mouth yelling is on the precipice of destroying the entire party.

The President simply is so involved in his own petty wars still fighting the election, and has decided to use the biggest "bully pulpit" in the world to look out for him and let the party simply be hung out to dry.

Only Trump could make ObamaCare more popular. And make no mistake...his lies and the lack of trust in him is at the core.

But he sure took a rallying cry and turned it around, and made ObamaCare much more popular.


"A new USA Today/Suffolk University Poll has found that just 12% of Americans support any of the Republican health care bills proving that Trumpcare has turned into a raging inferno that is burning down the Republican Party.

USA Today has the data on their poll, “Just 12% of Americans support the Senate Republican health care plan, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, amid a roiling debate over whether the GOP will deliver on its signature promise to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. In the survey, taken Saturday through Tuesday, a 53% majority say Congress should either leave the law known as Obamacare alone or work to fix its problems while keeping its framework intact.”

Republicans Die A Death of 1,000 Obamacare Lies As Just 12% Support GOP Healthcare Bill (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/28/republicans-die-death-1000-obamacare-lies-12-support-gop-healthcare-bill.html)

White males...who do most of the actual "work" that built this country are now only 25% of the population and decreasing each year. Why would you expect anything to get better? The driver of growth and expansion are dying off...being replaced by 3rd world minorities. Nothing is getting better.

[dirtbanker]

Emergency Departments or EDs in disadvantaged neighborhoods were used as doctor's offices. And no one was sent down the road. Since I retired the end of '09 I don't know if that changed. But be assured that was the case. Ambulances would be sent to other hospitals because the ED was so jammed. And this was every day.

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Was your ER ran by a subcontractor in 09? If not, give them a call and see if it is subcontracted out today.

While you got them on the phone ask if they require payment for services rendered, or are they there doing it all for free if someone does not want to pay?




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[MDLNB]

Emergency Departments or EDs in disadvantaged neighborhoods were used as doctor's offices. And no one was sent down the road. Since I retired the end of '09 I don't know if that changed. But be assured that was the case. Ambulances would be sent to other hospitals because the ED was so jammed. And this was every day.

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And look at your home town now. Gov run, leftist run cities turn into ghettos. That's why you are here today, to escape.

[Don Baldwin]

And look at your home town now. Gov run, leftist run cities turn into ghettos. That's why you are here today, to escape.

They'll NEVER admit it...and they'll slowly try to turn the villages into one of these failures too by pushing for "diversity".

WHITE people make GREAT places to live...Hispanics and blacks do NOT.

The villages is what it is BECAUSE it s 99% white.

[Chi-Town]

And look at your home town now. Gov run, leftist run cities turn into ghettos. That's why you are here today, to escape.
Spoken like a true country mouse.

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[Sandtrap328]

Spoken like a true country mouse.

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You mean, "spoken like a true country racist".

[Allegiance]

Spoken like a true country mouse.

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Chi likes to try and insert funny comments, only sometimes funny, but rarely states and defends his positions.

[Don Baldwin]

Spoken like a true country mouse.

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You mean, "spoken like a true country racist".

I'm STILL waiting for your black or Hispanic "Villages" clone...ANY place they're the majority that is nice like here.

We're "racist" out of necessity...we point out the differences, the INEQUALITIES and you call us racist.

I prefer the term "Specicist" I'm not tolerant of other species.

[Abby10]

During the Republican primary, I was excited about the conversations about the ACA. Having opposed the bill that passed, I was thrilled to hear members of the Republican Party speaking of working to FIX the existing bill. I felt it might be a little late, but at least we get it fixed for our country.

Then the loud voices took over, playing to emotion, instead of facts.

Now, this loud mouth yelling is on the precipice of destroying the entire party.

The President simply is so involved in his own petty wars still fighting the election, and has decided to use the biggest "bully pulpit" in the world to look out for him and let the party simply be hung out to dry.

Only Trump could make ObamaCare more popular. And make no mistake...his lies and the lack of trust in him is at the core.

But he sure took a rallying cry and turned it around, and made ObamaCare much more popular.


"A new USA Today/Suffolk University Poll has found that just 12% of Americans support any of the Republican health care bills proving that Trumpcare has turned into a raging inferno that is burning down the Republican Party.

USA Today has the data on their poll, “Just 12% of Americans support the Senate Republican health care plan, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, amid a roiling debate over whether the GOP will deliver on its signature promise to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. In the survey, taken Saturday through Tuesday, a 53% majority say Congress should either leave the law known as Obamacare alone or work to fix its problems while keeping its framework intact.”

Republicans Die A Death of 1,000 Obamacare Lies As Just 12% Support GOP Healthcare Bill (http://www.politicususa.com/2017/06/28/republicans-die-death-1000-obamacare-lies-12-support-gop-healthcare-bill.html)

Not sure why you are blaming all of this on Trump. Have you not heard/read about all the hysteria from the left? Do you not think the fear mongering regarding healthcare by the left has also contributed to the reported lack of confidence in the public regarding this issue?

[dbussone]

I'm STILL waiting for your black or Hispanic "Villages" clone...ANY place they're the majority that is nice like here.



We're "racist" out of necessity...we point out the differences, the INEQUALITIES and you call us racist.



I prefer the term "Specicist" I'm not tolerant of other species.



I have proven you wrong and will continue to do so. There is only one species of humans - Homo sapiens. You are not a Specicist. You are a pathetic white supremacist who just spews venom. Personally, I think you are probably in the lower 3% on the scale of human intelligence. There is no true science that you can use, other that the false lies you publish on your website. You can't even refute the article from a recent issue of Nature I linked for you.

Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina, a branch of the tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes. They are characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; high manual dexterity and heavy tool use compared to other animals; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.

Now go back to your snake hole. I'm not tolerant of racists like you.


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[Don Baldwin]

I have proven you wrong and will continue to do so. There is only one species of humans - Homo sapiens. You are not a Specicist. You are a pathetic white supremacist who just spews venom. Personally, I think you are probably in the lower 3% on the scale of human intelligence. There is no true science that you can use, other that the false lies you publish on your website. You can't even refute the article from a recent issue of Nature I linked for you.

Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina, a branch of the tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes. They are characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; high manual dexterity and heavy tool use compared to other animals; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.

Now go back to your snake hole. I'm not tolerant of racists like you.


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You didn't prove sh!t...never have...you just claim it. Like blacks CLAIM to be equal with nothing to back it up.

Where is the black equivalent of the villages...the black MIT...it's VERY simple...SHOW me the equality.

"Humans" are THE MOST diverse of any single mammalian species so they COULD fit the Negros into being classified as human. They should have been left out as they have different lineage than ALL the other races. We split in Africa...they stagnated...we interbred with other "Human" species...they did not.

This chart...it's wrong...it has been misdrawn to fit the Negros in. See the Neanderthal branch on the left...where it crosses into the "Human" shaded area...well THAT is the TRUE Human branch. The middle "Human" branch that goes on to spread out encompassing all the continents...it SHOULD stop in Africa...a dead end branch just like Homo Erectus on the right. EVERY race but the Negros...the ones who look NOTHING like the rest of us...have Neanderthal DNA which blacks lack. They are NOT human. It's like calling a mule a horse...it's not it's different...different species different. Except WE COULD mate after the hybridization.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Human_evolution_chart-en.svg

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Someone could argue; so do a number of the insured, what is the significance of that??

I believe you were originally trying to say that the uninsured were going to overwhelm the emergency rooms (due to being uninsured?). This comes across to me as a liberal "fear" statement.

I was trying to point out that it does not matter if you have insurance, or not, when you have an emergency (heart attack, been in a car accident), you are taken to the emergency room. I don't believe the ambulance driver will take you to your general practitioners office.

Don't waste your time trying to infer that people with the sniffles or colds are going to be flocking to the emergency room for treatment...the triage nurse at reception will send those on down the road. The emergency rooms are mostly run by subcontractors today and they are doing it for profit. They have no moral or legal duty to aid someone that has a non life threatening condition...

The significance is that the law states that a hospital cannot refuse service if a person cannot pay. Uninsured people go to the ER knowing that they will never pay for the services. The hospital calculates how much money they lose by providing this "FREE" service and that money is divided up and included in the bills of the people, or insurance companies that do pay. In other words, those that have insurance or pay themselves are paying for those that do not.

[Don Baldwin]

The significance is that the law states that a hospital cannot refuse service if a person cannot pay. Uninsured people go to the ER knowing that they will never pay for the services. The hospital calculates how much money they lose by providing this "FREE" service and that money is divided up and included in the bills of the people, or insurance companies that do pay. In other words, those that have insurance or pay themselves are paying for those that do not.

Many hospitals can refuse service. For non-traumatic cases they CAN be sent to another hospital that does have to take them. Not every hospital is regulated the same.

[MDLNB]

The significance is that the law states that a hospital cannot refuse service if a person cannot pay. Uninsured people go to the ER knowing that they will never pay for the services. The hospital calculates how much money they lose by providing this "FREE" service and that money is divided up and included in the bills of the people, or insurance companies that do pay. In other words, those that have insurance or pay themselves are paying for those that do not.

B.S.! If you go to the emergency room and do not have insurance, they still bill you. And if you do not pay, it goes to collection. The hospital deducts that as business loss.

[MDLNB]

Just repeal Obamacare and worry about taking care of the world at a later date, when fantasy meets reality. We were better off before OBamacare and now only a few people benefited from it, while the rest of us pay an arm and leg for it. I would rather pay for those without insurance via taxes than have my lifestyle stagnate because of increased premiums and co-payments.

[MDLNB]

Spoken like a true country mouse.

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Yes, real country....:a20:

If you knew where I was born and raised, you would be laughing also.

[wjboyer1]

If Death Care becomes law, I can actually visualize individuals committing crimes so they can receive medical treatment in prison.

[dirtbanker]

If Death Care becomes law, I can actually visualize individuals committing crimes so they can receive medical treatment in prison.

Do us a favor and set an example.

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[dirtbanker]

The significance is that the law states that a hospital cannot refuse service if a person cannot pay. Uninsured people go to the ER knowing that they will never pay for the services. The hospital calculates how much money they lose by providing this "FREE" service and that money is divided up and included in the bills of the people, or insurance companies that do pay. In other words, those that have insurance or pay themselves are paying for those that do not.

I don't believe that to be true. Could you provide the statue that states that?

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[dbussone]

You didn't prove sh!t...never have...you just claim it. Like blacks CLAIM to be equal with nothing to back it up.



Where is the black equivalent of the villages...the black MIT...it's VERY simple...SHOW me the equality.



"Humans" are THE MOST diverse of any single mammalian species so they COULD fit the Negros into being classified as human. They should have been left out as they have different lineage than ALL the other races. We split in Africa...they stagnated...we interbred with other "Human" species...they did not.



This chart...it's wrong...it has been misdrawn to fit the Negros in. See the Neanderthal branch on the left...where it crosses into the "Human" shaded area...well THAT is the TRUE Human branch. The middle "Human" branch that goes on to spread out encompassing all the continents...it SHOULD stop in Africa...a dead end branch just like Homo Erectus on the right. EVERY race but the Negros...the ones who look NOTHING like the rest of us...have Neanderthal DNA which blacks lack. They are NOT human. It's like calling a mule a horse...it's not it's different...different species different. Except WE COULD mate after the hybridization.



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Human_evolution_chart-en.svg



Blah, blah, blah. Just another uneducated bigot. No science behind your manure. But I might agree that you may be the last remaining dimwitted Neanderthal. You just keep piling meaningless words on top of your demented thoughts. Bye bye Don Black.


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[wjboyer1]

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[Allegiance]

Do us a favor and set an example.

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His 2am posting should be criminal.

[Allegiance]

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Please get the care you need.

[Don Baldwin]

If Death Care becomes law, I can actually visualize individuals committing crimes so they can receive medical treatment in prison.

It's already done...a LOT.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I don't believe that to be true. Could you provide the statue that states that?

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Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act)

[dirtbanker]

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act)

Thanks for sharing the link. I have highlighted a few phrases that I believe are relevant to your, and others, claim that ERs can not turn people away if the do not have the means to pay for services


Not all medical conditions qualify for uncompensated mandated services imposed by EMTALA, which is contrary to the misperception that many individuals assume that if they are ill, they will be treated, regardless of their ability to pay.

The sole purpose for the EMTALA mandated MSE is to require Emergency Departments to make a determination whether an emergency medical condition does or does not exist, using their normal assessment and diagnostic protocols. Since the MSE is a mandated EMTALA service, health insurers are required to cover benefits for their subscribers. They are also required to cover EMTALA mandated services necessary to stabilize individuals determined to have an EMC.
EMTALA intentionally omitted any requirement for hospitals to provide uncompensated stabilizing treatment for individuals with medical conditions determined not to be an EMC. Therefore, such individuals are not eligible for further uncompensated by courts or hospitals[edit]
A significant portion of emergency room visits are considered not to be EMCs as defined by EMTALA. The medical profession refers to these cases as "non-emergent". Regardless, this impressive term is not recognized by the law as a condition defined by the EMTALA statute. A term more relevant for compliance examination and treatment beyond the MSE.
Examples of conditions not considered emergencies with EMTALA is non-emergency medical condition. If this "non-emergent" term is used in the context of EMTALA, it needs to be defined as medical conditions that fail to pass the criteria for determination of being a true EMC as defined by EMTALA statute.
A normal pregnancy delivery. In a case reviewed by courts, EMTALA did not cover the hospital stay.[10]
If a patient is already in the hospital for another reason and develops an emergency condition, EMTALA similarly does not apply.[10]