Differences in Covenants?

[Opulence]

Hey guys, just how different are the covenants & restrictions between the older established neighborhoods compared to the newer villages? I would imagine the historic section is quite different. I am wondering mainly about the villages in the northern most areas. It's such a lovely area - Anyone know what those differences are?

Betty

[zcaveman]

Go to http://www.districtgov.org/vccdd/deedrestrict.asp

and go to the bottom for the different areas.

[Skip]

How many residents took a vacation of more than 7 days in the past few years? That includes snow birds going back north and folks going on a week's cruise!

If you did not notify the developer that you were gone and when you expected to return - you just violated your deed restrictions !

Interesting heh? I believe that clause is in everyone's "regulations".

Skip

[Army Guy]

The differences you will find vary widely, and are much more restrictive the farther South in TV you go. In the older areas, almost anything goes within reason, that is why you see more lawn decorations etc in the older sections. Now don't get me wrong, that is not basically a bad thing, but leaves room for the outragous also!
Maybe it is me being in the Army and liking regulations, etc. I like uniformity, it is one thing I like about CYVs is, outside changes are limited. To me it keeps appearences up!
Here is a good one for you. In one of my last assignments I actually wrote Army Regulations. My wife is a civilian that works for the Army. In her job now she has to follow one of the regualtions I wrote! Who said, a guy can't order a woman in what to do!:laugh:

Army Guy

[chacam]

In one of my last assignments I actually wrote Army Regulations.

I would have thougth that after all these years that all of the army regs that were needed would already have been written ?

[Army Guy]

chacam, you know that never happens in the Army!

Army Guy

[zcaveman]

chacam, you know that never happens in the Army!

Army Guy

OR in any other branch of the Armed Forces!!!

Semper Fi!

Z

[Boomer]

I think that deed restrictions/covenants protect property values so they are OK with me. But I know that they are only as good as the manner in which they are enforced.

Is it up to neighbors to complain if a property is neglected and grass grows and weeds are not controlled? Or do TV employees make the rounds and keep on top of things?

If it is up to the neighbors, I sure could see that turning into some real issues. Bad feelings with neighbors and also the old "Hey, I'll hold your coat while you go fight" routine, as one neighbor is left to do the complaining about something that is aggravating all the neighbors.

Does TV itself take the responsibility to spot and deal with neglected properties so that the neighbors do not have to get into it? I would expect that TV management has this all figured out.

Boomer

[zcaveman]

I think that deed restrictions/covenants protect property values so they are OK with me. But I know that they are only as good as the manner in which they are enforced.

Is it up to neighbors to complain if a property is neglected and grass grows and weeds are not controlled? Or do TV employees make the rounds and keep on top of things?

If it is up to the neighbors, I sure could see that turning into some real issues. Bad feelings with neighbors and also the old "Hey, I'll hold your coat while you go fight" routine, as one neighbor is left to do the complaining about something that is aggravating all the neighbors.

Does TV itself take the responsibility to spot and deal with neglected properties so that the neighbors do not have to get into it? I would expect that TV management has this all figured out.

Boomer

I think it is both and it is not a universal enforcement. I had two ceramic frogs sitting in the middle of my courtyard for weeks and got the notice out of the blue. I drove around our Village and found many violations. I would like to know why I was singled out but by then it was too late.

Personally I think it was someone who had already been gigged and happened to see my frogs and reported it.

It is in my annual survey that they should enforce the deeds restrictions uniformly.

[swrinfla]

Boomer:

:agree: that neighbors-policing-neighbors can lead to bad vibes! But, you know, I've never seen nor heard of any difficulties in this regard. We all know that in TV everyone is pleasant and nice! (Or so I'm told :jester:)

Very visible violations (to me, that means pink flamingoes in the front yard) are addressed by the Community Watch guys. I know, because when I first came here, I put one of my garden-statue owls out near my fairly tall ligustrum bushes. After a week or so, there was a notice on my door: "No, no owl."

I moved it back onto my porch, along with two others. They've all been there better than 4 years now with no peep from anyone. The difference was all of 10-12 feet, but I went from "the yard" to "the house" and now I am in compliance!

SWR
:beer3:

[downeaster]

How many residents took a vacation of more than 7 days in the past few years? That includes snow birds going back north and folks going on a week's cruise!

If you did not notify the developer that you were gone and when you expected to return - you just violated your deed restrictions !

Interesting heh? I believe that clause is in everyone's "regulations".

Skip

A couple of years ago I was leaving on a three week "vacation". So, I called to let the authorities know. Nobody knew what I was talking about. I pointed out it was prominently spelled out in the restrictions and covenants. They still didn't have a clue.
Selective enforcement is bad enough but when the "authorities" don't even know the terms of the rules they are responsible for, we have a major problem.
I have also noted in past surveys my disatisfaction as to selective and uneven enforcement. It appears they have selective hearing as the problem has never been corrected.

[Muncle]

I have also noted in past surveys my disatisfaction as to selective and uneven enforcement. It appears they have selective hearing as the problem has never been corrected.

Let's see. That's one complaint among about 70,000 residents. I can totally understand your disdain and disgust that the powers that be (whomsoever they actually are) didn't pop to and ameliorate your disatisfaction. Don't they know who you are?




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[Skip]

I think that everyone should be in compliance - right? Therefore, the next time you leave on vacation for more than 7 days please write Mark Morse ("the developer") and let him know when you are leaving and when you will be back. In fact, why not ask him if they also need to know where you are going and don't forget to put RSVP at the bottom of your letter. Send it registered mail too! I can post his home address.

Anyone here with good math skills can estimate how many letters that would generate in a year? :faint:

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[downeaster]

Let's see. That's one complaint among about 70,000 residents. I can totally understand your disdain and disgust that the powers that be (whomsoever they actually are) didn't pop to and ameliorate your disatisfaction. Don't they know who you are?




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Are being humorous or is the above a cheap shot?

You may want to read your quote again but pretend it was directed at you.

[Muncle]

Are being humorous or is the above a cheap shot?

You may want to read your quote again but pretend it was directed at you.

Well, it was an attempt to be both. I'll leave it to the readers as to whether it succeeded or not. I do admit, though, that it wasn't all that funny.

As to your last point, had I posted a message such as you did, I would fervently hope that someone would take me to task, likely more harshly than I did you. I'm not going to get into which "authorities" you contacted at the beginning of this kerfuffle -- all too often, specific offices are not aware of what other offices do, some employees aren't fully aware of their total responsibilities, and sometimes intended requirements in a community of 15,000 should have been dropped when the community grew but somehow stayed in the boilerplate --- shouldn't happen, but it does.

And it's good that you continue to cite selective restriction enforcement in your annual survey -- as noted, others do too. What is rather presumptuous is that "they" must have selective hearing, because this sin continues despite you citing it in your survey.

Believe it or not, it's not all about you. I've talked to the folks at the Deed Compliance Office, and believe me, they have a tough job. Being fair and balanced without being draconian ain't easy. Instead of waiting for the annual survey, if you have a question about specific deed restrictions (like this stupid vacation notification, maybe) or general enforcement, why not email or call Janet Tutt or Nick Xenos, the Deed Compliance guy. Then, if you do get a "Gee, I didn't know that was in there.", you'll be talking to someone who can fix it.

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[Skip]

...you'll be talking to someone who can fix it.

Not really true. Once there is a restriction on your deed, you can't remove it unless there is an "escape clause". The only restrictions that can be "overruled" are the ones that are found to be "unconstitutional". Up north I studied my covenants and low and behold I found a 1850s clause that prohibited my land from being occupied by "a person of color". Clearly, today that would be thrown out but every time the property was sold, that clause went with the property. Ironically, guess who I sold my house to? I didn't have the heart to tell him what was in the big "abstract". Hope he never reads it, like I did.

It's also the way I found out my land was once a blueberry farm! :oops:

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