Trump says states are ‘trying to hide’ things from his voter fraud commission.

[wjboyer1]

Trump says states are ‘trying to hide’ things from his voter fraud commission. Here’s what they actually say. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/01/trump-says-states-are-trying-to-hide-things-from-his-voter-fraud-commission-heres-what-they-actually-say/?utm_term=.dbde4d34e397)

USA TODAY (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/30/election-officials-concerned-request-trump-group-voter-info/4***88001/)

[MDLNB]

More liberal trash.

[Allegiance]

No matter what, less immigrant voter fraud will occur going foward. This will help in many states Nevada, Florida etc They are now GOP locks.

[Don Baldwin]

No matter what, less immigrant voter fraud will occur going foward. This will help in many states Nevada, Florida etc They are now GOP locks.

Sorry to break it to you...it's too late. They WILL be the majority and then there will be nothing you can do about it.

[coralway]

Like Dump hiding his taxes

[Allegiance]

Obama encouraged non citizens to vote. That is clear.

Voter fraud is more widespread than msm say.

[Don Baldwin]

Obama encouraged non citizens to vote. That is clear.

Voter fraud is more widespread than msm say.

Well...if you count the illegal anchor baby votes...it's in the 10s of millions. The "original Anchor babies" are now voting and having their own babies.

"America" is doomed. A Hispanic majority within 30 years...Mexico II.

[rubicon]

You would believe that a serious governor would want to ensure that the voting in his state met the vote regulations/requirements in all and every aspect to ensure its validity and value

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Like Dump hiding his taxes



:cryin2:

[wjboyer1]

You would believe that a serious governor would want to ensure that the voting in his state met the vote regulations/requirements in all and every aspect to ensure its validity and value

Personal Best Regards:

Just look at Chris Christy (quite the serious GOP governor).....whale on the beach of a New Jersey beach closed to the public for lack of funds......of course his spokesperson said that he was not getting any sun because he wore a baseball cap.......

Funny, because Christy had previously said that he was "too busy to be on vacation (at the closed beach).....his attention was totally on the State of New Jersey's governmental situation..."

70067

[rubicon]

Just look at Chris Christy (quite the serious GOP governor).....whale on the beach of a New Jersey beach closed to the public for lack of funds......of course his spokesperson said that he was not getting any sun because he wore a baseball cap.......

Funny, because Christy had previously said that he was "too busy to be on vacation (at the closed beach).....his attention was totally on the State of New Jersey's governmental situation..."

70067

Poster: the subject matter is Trump's call for an investigation into voter fraud which I will respond to again.

However I will tell you that Christ Christie has never impressed me. He was my last choice in the GOP primary.

As to the issue of voter fraud. Its quite well known that progressive position on voting is that any requirement for identification is viewed as discriminatory. An out of date and specious argument.

In our nation today people are required to produce a drivers license and/or other forms of identification. In fact at the renewal of a Florida drivers license residents now have to produce a number of documents ( including a passport) in order to have their license renewed.

Because of the lacks requirements for voting and because fake documentation can be purchased by illegal aliens for some $300 and because people intent on criminal acts are so creative this nation does need to review each state's record regulation procedures, etc.

I cannot imagine a single American citizens who would object to ensuring the integrity of our voting system given its importance and the fact that we are privileged to be given a vote.

Progressive leaders are dismissing this issue out of hand and it makes them all look guilty of hiding the truth.

Personal Best Regards:

[wjboyer1]

Poster: the subject matter is Trump's call for an investigation into voter fraud which I will respond to again.

However I will tell you that Christ Christie has never impressed me. He was my last choice in the GOP primary.

As a response to the previous posting regarding Governors, this was appropriate.

As to the issue of voter fraud. Its quite well known that progressive position on voting is that any requirement for identification is viewed as discriminatory. An out of date and specious argument.

As to your broad brush of excuses, there are many reasons that "requirement for identification" has been problematic.

The first problem with "voter identification" is the perceived problem: voter fraud.

Voter ID laws are a cumbersome solution in desperate search of a problem.

There are many variations of The Voter-Fraud Myth, but the most common claims hinge on the idea that our electoral systems are vulnerable to manipulation and subversion by large cabals of devious fraudsters bent on perverting the democratic process, and that the only way to combat the unseen legions of ineligible voters casting fraudulent ballots in our elections is to demand additional documentation from each voter in order to verify their identity and legitimacy.

Unfortunately, voter impersonation, which is literally the only form of Electoral fraud that is effectively mitigated or prevented by voter ID laws, also happens to be the single rarest and least effective form of election fraud in existence. For example in Texas, a state which recently adopted some of the most stringent voter ID laws in the country, state officials were hard-pressed to produce even a handful of instances of suspected voter fraud--over the previous decade. An analysis by News21, a national investigative reporting project, identified 10 voter impersonation cases out of 2,068 alleged election fraud cases since 2000 — or one out of every 15 million prospective voters.

In contrast, other forms of electoral fraud--such as tampering with ballots, manipulating Absentee ballots, stuffing ballot boxes, or electronic hacking of voting machines--are much easier, more effective, and more potentially damaging.

Which leads us to the "solution" of a mythologic problem of impersonation voter fraud.

Voting law opponents (NOT NECESSARILY ALL PROGRESSIVES) contend these laws disproportionately affect elderly, minority and low-income groups. While many states with strict laws offer a free state ID for people without any other way to vote, these IDs require documents like a birth certificate that can cost up to $25 in some places. According to a study from NYU’s Brennan Center, 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack necessary photo ID while many people in rural areas have trouble accessing ID offices.
A lawsuit filed against Alabama in early December 2015 cites the example of a high schooler who can’t vote because she lacks a driver’s license. According to the suit, she needs to get a state issued voter ID at the DMV, but the one nearest to her is only open one day per month and there’s no public transportation to another DMV 40 miles away roundtrip.

There are many elderly (and some not so elderly) that have no birth certificate for various reasons. This has disenfranchised many previous voters because now, according to THEIR state laws, they must have a government issued ID. Most of THOSE states require a birth certificate, but if you were born outside of a hospital that was able to certify your birth, the certificate was lost or destroyed, or that person, for a multitude of valid reasons could not obtain a copy of that birth certificate, they would be unable to obtain that ID.

Some states have made it VERY difficult for people to actually obtain a governmental ID because their facilities that issue those ID's are hard to get to. During closing arguments in a 2012 case over Texas’s voter ID law, a lawyer for the state brushed aside geographical obstacles as the “reality to life of choosing to live in that part of Texas.”



In our nation today people are required to produce a drivers license and/or other forms of identification. In fact at the renewal of a Florida drivers license residents now have to produce a number of documents ( including a passport) in order to have their license renewed.

Ever "live" in a Nursing Home and don't drive?

Because of the lacks requirements for voting and because fake documentation can be purchased by illegal aliens for some $300 and because people intent on criminal acts are so creative this nation does need to review each state's record regulation procedures, etc.
I assume you have factual evidence to prove it......not just anecdotal which ANYONE can make up.

I cannot imagine a single American citizens who would object to ensuring the integrity of our voting system given its importance and the fact that we are privileged to be given a vote.
There really has NEVER been an objection to the integrity of our voting system until RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES started making up this problem.

Progressive leaders are dismissing this issue out of hand and it makes them all look guilty of hiding the truth.

Legal experts have investigated this situation and have concluded that this issue is not a problem. Why, then, without ACTUAL verifiable FACTS does the myth persist? Mainly because of people, like this poster, who constantly regurgitate these lies......it has been said that if you tell a lie often enough, many will regard it as the truth.



Personal Best Regards:70069

[Joe De Vito]

At least, the bird that took dump on the chess board didn't completely ignore the person that it was playing with.

With Trump, it's all about winning. He doesn't care about the details of any of his wins. When he loses as in the popular vote, his opponent cheated. The man never grew up. He is a whining ass bitch.

The intention of the request of states from the Republicans has nothing to do with voter fraud. It is all about intimation. Their voter identification laws are aimed at voters that don't vote Republican. Anything and everything they do to hinder minority, and low income people from voting is perfectly acceptable. When anyone with a brain sees what they are doing, and hinders them, they are the problem.

[Don Baldwin]

Poster: the subject matter is Trump's call for an investigation into voter fraud which I will respond to again.

However I will tell you that Christ Christie has never impressed me. He was my last choice in the GOP primary.

As to the issue of voter fraud. Its quite well known that progressive position on voting is that any requirement for identification is viewed as discriminatory. An out of date and specious argument.

In our nation today people are required to produce a drivers license and/or other forms of identification. In fact at the renewal of a Florida drivers license residents now have to produce a number of documents ( including a passport) in order to have their license renewed.

Because of the lacks requirements for voting and because fake documentation can be purchased by illegal aliens for some $300 and because people intent on criminal acts are so creative this nation does need to review each state's record regulation procedures, etc.

I cannot imagine a single American citizens who would object to ensuring the integrity of our voting system given its importance and the fact that we are privileged to be given a vote.

Progressive leaders are dismissing this issue out of hand and it makes them all look guilty of hiding the truth.

Personal Best Regards:

Oh my...that was funny...see below.

At least, the bird that took dump on the chess board didn't completely ignore the person that it was playing with.

With Trump, it's all about winning. He doesn't care about the details of any of his wins. When he loses as in the popular vote, his opponent cheated. The man never grew up. He is a whining ass bitch.

The intention of the request of states from the Republicans has nothing to do with voter fraud. It is all about intimation. Their voter identification laws are aimed at voters that don't vote Republican. Anything and everything they do to hinder minority, and low income people from voting is perfectly acceptable. When anyone with a brain sees what they are doing, and hinders them, they are the problem.

You don't get it...EVERY D or R candidate is vetted, if they don't pass, they're not put on the ballot.

EVERY major candidate IS CROOKED. They're ALL on the take. They're ALL corrupt.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WINS...BOTH SIDES, BOTH CANDIDATES, THE D AND THE R...WORK FOR THE PARTY BOSSES.

If voting really mattered...they wouldn't let us do it.

ALL elections are "fixed" because BOTH the D and R candidates are bought off by their respective party.

[MDLNB]

OK, so almost ALL election losers insist that Trump is hiding something from us on his tax return because he refuses to allow all the world to see his personal wealth. Ok, I get it.
But, those same losers (sorry, I mean liberals) feel that voter ID infringes on some right and that those states that refuse to reveal their voter records, are hiding something. You don't have to be a slow thinker to realize that these are two sides of the same coin.

In today's age, there is NO excuse for someone not having a legitimate photo ID. And for that one that suggested that someone in the nursing home doesn't drive and will not have a driver's license, I have an answer for you, or two. My dad was 92 when he passed and he did not drive. The state issued him a photo ID at the DMV, just like his old license to drive. ON the other hand, if one is in that nursing home, perhaps they aren't voting anyway.

Liberals are full of excuses but not a legitimate reason NOT to have photo ID's required. On the other hand, I can give you a reason that it should already be mandatory. The Constitution stipulates that a voter MUST be a U.S. citizen. How do you prove you are a citizen? Are they supposed to take your word for it because they believe you when you tell them that you would never lie about something like that. That you would be on an honor system? NO! You should have to prove you are a citizen with some form of documentation.

So, if there is no evidence of voter fraud, the reason could be that no one has been allowed to investigate those few voter fraud incidents that were found out. They are investigating Trump without any evidence of collusion, and that seems to be OK, right? Just more liberal excuses for not allowing or inhibiting the investigation of possible voter fraud.

[Rockyrd]

At least, the bird that took dump on the chess board didn't completely ignore the person that it was playing with.

With Trump, it's all about winning. He doesn't care about the details of any of his wins. When he loses as in the popular vote, his opponent cheated. The man never grew up. He is a whining ass bitch.

The intention of the request of states from the Republicans has nothing to do with voter fraud. It is all about intimation. Their voter identification laws are aimed at voters that don't vote Republican. Anything and everything they do to hinder minority, and low income people from voting is perfectly acceptable. When anyone with a brain sees what they are doing, and hinders them, they are the problem.

Very ironic.....the Kansas Secy of State, who is a real zealot on this thing, and who chairs the Presidents commission (actually, the VP chairs it but this guy is running it, AS KANSAS SECY OF STATE HAS REFUSED TO COMPLY..

"By Kaitlyn Schallhorn Published June 30, 2017 Fox News

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Trump voter fraud commission: Some refusing to cooperate
President Donald Trump’s commission tasked with investigating alleged voter fraud in the 2016 election has asked states to turn over voter information.

A June 28 letter from the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity asked states to hand over “publicly available voter roll data." However, the letter also requests a lot of specific details, including: parts of Social Security numbers, dates of birth, addresses and information regarding felony convictions or military status.

The letter asks that states give feedback on federal election laws and recommendations for preventing voter intimidation.

“It is crucial for the Commission to consider your input as it collects data and identifies areas of opportunity to increase the integrity of our election systems,” the commission’s vice chairman and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach said in the letter.

But several secretaries of state, Republican and Democrat, have already bucked the request or said they would only provide limited data — including Kobach.

Kobach said Friday afternoon that his state will not be providing the Social Security numbers in response to the request."


Trump voter fraud commission: Here's what to know | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/30/trump-voter-fraud-commission-heres-what-to-know.html)

This guy got full blown authority to dig into Kansas and voting fraud. In 2017 he uncovered his first case of an illegal who voted when he should not have. Discovered when he became a citizen and then went to register to vote. He was from Peru. Other than that, I think the number is 6 convictions, NONE which could possible be caught under any circumstances with id, and ALL SIX were little old ladies who voted more than once and didnt think they did anything wrong. THIS in the strictest voter id laws in the entire country.

This was a political cover up for the over 5 million illegals that Trump claimed voted in 2016.

YES, we need to be sure that this institution is protected and we have good honest free elections.

Step one would be to at least criticize Russia for trying to interfere.....without that any charge is fraudulant and full of politics.

[Joe De Vito]

OK, so almost ALL election losers insist that Trump is hiding something from us on his tax return because he refuses to allow all the world to see his personal wealth. Ok, I get it.
But, those same losers (sorry, I mean liberals) feel that voter ID infringes on some right and that those states that refuse to reveal their voter records, are hiding something. You don't have to be a slow thinker to realize that these are two sides of the same coin.

In today's age, there is NO excuse for someone not having a legitimate photo ID. And for that one that suggested that someone in the nursing home doesn't drive and will not have a driver's license, I have an answer for you, or two. My dad was 92 when he passed and he did not drive. The state issued him a photo ID at the DMV, just like his old license to drive. ON the other hand, if one is in that nursing home, perhaps they aren't voting anyway.

Liberals are full of excuses but not a legitimate reason NOT to have photo ID's required. On the other hand, I can give you a reason that it should already be mandatory. The Constitution stipulates that a voter MUST be a U.S. citizen. How do you prove you are a citizen? Are they supposed to take your word for it because they believe you when you tell them that you would never lie about something like that. That you would be on an honor system? NO! You should have to prove you are a citizen with some form of documentation.

So, if there is no evidence of voter fraud, the reason could be that no one has been allowed to investigate those few voter fraud incidents that were found out. They are investigating Trump without any evidence of collusion, and that seems to be OK, right? Just more liberal excuses for not allowing or inhibiting the investigation of possible voter fraud.

You must have a very short memory.
Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Struck Down as Judge Cites Burden on Citizens - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/18/us/politics/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-struck-down.html)

Read the judges decision. It flies in the face of everything you said. The Penn. Republican party didn't take it to the Supreme Court. The Rep. leader of the Penn House stupidly said, "we just gave Penn. To Romney."

You don't like Penn. Try North Carolina.
Federal Appeals Court Strikes Down North Carolina Voter ID Requirement - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-north-carolina-voter-id-provision.html)

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud | FRONTLINE | PBS (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/why-voter-id-laws-arent-really-about-fraud/)
PBS! Now, there is a real Democrat news station. When you think "fake news" PBS comes immediately to mind.

There is a simple solution. It is issue a voter id at the polling booth at the next election. Make it easy to produce an id. Hell, they all must be receiving government assistance. Have them produce a welfare check, Medicaid card, or food stamps.

[Joe De Vito]

Oh my...that was funny...see below.



You don't get it...EVERY D or R candidate is vetted, if they don't pass, they're not put on the ballot.

EVERY major candidate IS CROOKED. They're ALL on the take. They're ALL corrupt.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WINS...BOTH SIDES, BOTH CANDIDATES, THE D AND THE R...WORK FOR THE PARTY BOSSES.

If voting really mattered...they wouldn't let us do it.

ALL elections are "fixed" because BOTH the D and R candidates are bought off by their respective party.

Where the hell is this coming from?

They are not all vetted. If they get elected, and don't vote along party lines, someone in their party will run against them. Gerrymandering almost guarantees that there will be no viable opponent from the opposite party.

You can place the blame for this on the Republican party. They opposed everything, and filibustered everything they could from the start of the Obama presidency. The moderates in both parties were sent packing. The Democrats are doing the same to the Republicans now, and the Republicans are crying their eyes out. It takes king size balls to blame the current state of affairs on the Democrats alone. Trump is trying, and he looks like the fool he really is.

Only a fool would think that Trump won the popular vote, and Trump is that fool. Now, he is trying a backdoor approach to prove his stupidity. You have to give it to him. He got some clown to have every state provide voter history. When they don't do it, they have to hiding something. If that isn't warped logic, what is?

[Sandtrap328]

Who gives a crap about what Trumpanzee thinks? He is just a short step away from being Adolf Hitler.

# not my president

#enact 25th amendment

[MDLNB]

Where the hell is this coming from?

They are not all vetted. If they get elected, and don't vote along party lines, someone in their party will run against them. Gerrymandering almost guarantees that there will be no viable opponent from the opposite party.

You can place the blame for this on the Republican party. They opposed everything, and filibustered everything they could from the start of the Obama presidency. The moderates in both parties were sent packing. The Democrats are doing the same to the Republicans now, and the Republicans are crying their eyes out. It takes king size balls to blame the current state of affairs on the Democrats alone. Trump is trying, and he looks like the fool he really is.

Only a fool would think that Trump won the popular vote, and Trump is that fool. Now, he is trying a backdoor approach to prove his stupidity. You have to give it to him. He got some clown to have every state provide voter history. When they don't do it, they have to hiding something. If that isn't warped logic, what is?

This has nothing to do with the election. Trump promised to secure our voting institution by removing the possibility of vote fraud, way before he was elected. He is listening to those that said they wanted voter ID. Then there would be no question in anyone's minds regarding illegal voting. What is the left afraid of? Are they trying to hide something? Sound familiar? If there is nothing to hide, then why resist? No one cares if Hillary had all the votes in the world. She lost and Donald won. There is no question about that. He won 60% of the states. The popular vote doesn't matter. It would be more prudent for the left to fight battles on issues that are not so popular with the voters.

[Don Baldwin]

Where the hell is this coming from?

They are not all vetted. If they get elected, and don't vote along party lines, someone in their party will run against them. Gerrymandering almost guarantees that there will be no viable opponent from the opposite party.

You can place the blame for this on the Republican party. They opposed everything, and filibustered everything they could from the start of the Obama presidency. The moderates in both parties were sent packing. The Democrats are doing the same to the Republicans now, and the Republicans are crying their eyes out. It takes king size balls to blame the current state of affairs on the Democrats alone. Trump is trying, and he looks like the fool he really is.

Only a fool would think that Trump won the popular vote, and Trump is that fool. Now, he is trying a backdoor approach to prove his stupidity. You have to give it to him. He got some clown to have every state provide voter history. When they don't do it, they have to hiding something. If that isn't warped logic, what is?

Yes they are...contrary to what YOU may think. Do you think they let just anyone be put on the ballot under their party?

EVERYONE on the D or R ballot has proven themselves as someone who will "play ball".

That was my point...BOTH the candidates are corrupt and WILL do as they are told.

To the rich and powerful...it doesn't matter if a D or R gets elected...they own them both.

Who gives a crap about what Trumpanzee thinks? He is just a short step away from being Adolf Hitler.

# not my president

#enact 25th amendment

Ooooh...be afraid...be very afraid...that's what they want. So you NEED them...to protect you.

[Joe De Vito]

This has nothing to do with the election. Trump promised to secure our voting institution by removing the possibility of vote fraud, way before he was elected. He is listening to those that said they wanted voter ID. Then there would be no question in anyone's minds regarding illegal voting. What is the left afraid of? Are they trying to hide something? Sound familiar? If there is nothing to hide, then why resist? No one cares if Hillary had all the votes in the world. She lost and Donald won. There is no question about that. He won 60% of the states. The popular vote doesn't matter. It would be more prudent for the left to fight battles on issues that are not so popular with the voters.

You really do live in a different world. Which party and which party alone has ever talked about voter fraud? Trump only listened to the people that share his warped ideas.

What is the left afraid of? I will answer that with questions? Why is the right asking for proof of citizenship that they know the poor, and minorities may not have? Why are the places to obtain a voter ID opened only during work hours? Why are places to obtain a voter id hard to get to by public transportation?

Illegals try to make themselves invisible. Why would they expose themselves by voting? That flies in the face of common sense.

The right isn't on some holy quest to prevent voter non-existent voter fraud. They are trying to stop people that don't vote for them from voting.

Who in this country is the only one that thinks Trump won the popular vote? Who keeps on insisting that he did? The 71 year old with a 5 year old mind.

Voter id laws are popular with the voters! Right! Voters in one party!

[Don Baldwin]

You really do live in a different world. Which party and which party alone has ever talked about voter fraud? Trump only listened to the people that share his warped ideas.

What is the left afraid of? I will answer that with questions? Why is the right asking for proof of citizenship that they know the poor, and minorities may not have? Why are the places to obtain a voter ID opened only during work hours? Why are places to obtain a voter id hard to get to by public transportation?

Illegals try to make themselves invisible. Why would they expose themselves by voting? That flies in the face of common sense.

The right isn't on some holy quest to prevent voter non-existent voter fraud. They are trying to stop people that don't vote for them from voting.

Who in this country is the only one that thinks Trump won the popular vote? Who keeps on insisting that he did? The 71 year old with a 5 year old mind.

Voter id laws are popular with the voters! Right! Voters in one party!

So Joe...which of the liberals are you? Which one made up another new persona? It's you Joe who lives in a different world. Allow me to opine:

The R party talks about voter fraud because the D party perpetrates said fraud. The D party is the immigrant party, the minority party. The D party wants as many "takers" voting as possible because the D party is the "giving" party. The D party gives PEOPLE stuff.

Why wouldn't the poor and minorities have ID? Half are on welfare...they don't need ID for welfare? What's to stop someone from signing up multiple times if ID isn't required? If they have ID for welfare, it would work for voting too. If you want to vote, become a "regular" citizen...get an ID. You need one to get a job. So, those who work have ID and those on welfare have ID...I guess JUST illegals don't.

Gee I don't know Joe...WHY are banks only open during work hours? Why are schools only open during work hours? Why are most government agencies only open during work hours?

Can you back that up? I'd bet just the opposite is the truth...MOST government offices are located within the city, I'm sure buses run close by.

They are invisible until their anchor baby citizen child is born...all 50 million of them...then they use that baby to stay and collect welfare. AND vote. The earliest anchor babies are in their 30s now and have their own kids. It's THE reason Hispanics are the majority of kids being born and WILL be the majority within 30 years.

Of course they are...just as your side is trying to outnumber THEM.

It doesn't matter who wins the election Joe...BOTH the D and the R candidate works for the party, for the "system" that really runs everything.

The two parties are there...with opposite agendas...to keep us against each other instead of against THEM who play us like fiddles. WHY do you think they allowed women and minorities to vote? They're all EMOTIONAL and can be manipulated via emotion. At first the founders wanted ONLY rational, successful men voting...but as government became more corrupt, they realized that they could control us through emotion...the rest is history.

[Joe De Vito]

[QUOTE=Guest]Yes they are...contrary to what YOU may think. Do you think they let just anyone be put on the ballot under their party?

EVERYONE on the D or R ballot has proven themselves as someone who will "play ball".

That was my point...BOTH the candidates are corrupt and WILL do as they are told.

To the rich and powerful...it doesn't matter if a D or R gets elected...they own them both.



You should check out who ran against Lindsey Graham in his last election. It was a truck driver, who people confused with someone else. He won the Democratic primary.

Define "play ball". The Democrats will work with Republicans to fix the ACA. The Republicans can't, because of seven years of repeal and replace. The ACA was a Heritage Foundation plan. The Republicans can't fix it, because it is their plan. Call it by its real name the ACA, and not Obamacare. That would be a start to fix it. Attach Obama to anything, and the right loses its mind.

Do you think that the Republican National Comm. wanted Trump on the ballot as a Republican?

If you are in the Republican party and don't play ball, they will have outside organizations attack you like they did to Heller of Nevada. The Republican demand party loyalty on everything. The Democrats are bad, but do not begin to approach the Republicans.

Concerning the rich and powerful controlling government, I thought that Trump was suppose to change that. His attacks on Wall Street are legendry in his mind only.

Trump sees the presidency as a way to make money. He is being sued by 200+ Democrats for violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. What does he do? He holds a 2020 campaign fund raiser in his Washington DC hotel. The only thing that he wants his followers to do is clap like trained seals at his rallies. Other than that they are totally invisible to him.

[Don Baldwin]

You should check out who ran against Lindsey Graham in his last election. It was a truck driver, who people confused with someone else. He won the Democratic primary.

Define "play ball". The Democrats will work with Republicans to fix the ACA. The Republicans can't, because of seven years of repeal and replace. The ACA was a Heritage Foundation plan. The Republicans can't fix it, because it is their plan. Call it by its real name the ACA, and not Obamacare. That would be a start to fix it. Attach Obama to anything, and the right loses its mind.

Do you think that the Republican National Comm. wanted Trump on the ballot as a Republican?

If you are in the Republican party and don't play ball, they will have outside organizations attack you like they did to Heller of Nevada. The Republican demand party loyalty on everything. The Democrats are bad, but do not begin to approach the Republicans.

Concerning the rich and powerful controlling government, I thought that Trump was suppose to change that. His attacks on Wall Street are legendry in his mind only.

Trump sees the presidency as a way to make money. He is being sued by 200+ Democrats for violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. What does he do? He holds a 2020 campaign fund raiser in his Washington DC hotel. The only thing that he wants his followers to do is clap like trained seals at his rallies. Other than that they are totally invisible to him.

Play ball means you do/vote as you're told.

They had a field of 17 in the beginning...they didn't care WHO won, they just wanted to win. No different than two sports teams going up for the Superbowl...the owners, those who run the league...don't care who wins...they just want people watching, they profit either way.

They don't put your name on the ballot as the D or R candidate...it's simple. It doesn't happen often because the candidates are VETTED beforehand...but it does happen.

has an incumbent president ever lost his party's nomination - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=has+an+incumbent+president+ever+lost+his+ party%27s+nomination&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

"There are three basic methods by which an individual may become a candidate for office in a state.

An individual can seek the nomination of a state-recognized political party.
An individual can run as an independent. Independent candidates often must petition in order to have their names printed on the general election ballot.
An individual can run as a write-in candidate."

A billionaire IS rich and powerful...campaigning is ALL lies and theater.

Of course he does...that's why ALL of them enter politics...that and to feel important. Trump now gets to hob nob with royalty.

[Joe De Vito]

So Joe...which of the liberals are you? Which one made up another new persona? It's you Joe who lives in a different world. Allow me to opine:

The R party talks about voter fraud because the D party perpetrates said fraud. The D party is the immigrant party, the minority party. The D party wants as many "takers" voting as possible because the D party is the "giving" party. The D party gives PEOPLE stuff.

Why wouldn't the poor and minorities have ID? Half are on welfare...they don't need ID for welfare? What's to stop someone from signing up multiple times if ID isn't required? If they have ID for welfare, it would work for voting too. If you want to vote, become a "regular" citizen...get an ID. You need one to get a job. So, those who work have ID and those on welfare have ID...I guess JUST illegals don't.

Gee I don't know Joe...WHY are banks only open during work hours? Why are schools only open during work hours? Why are most government agencies only open during work hours?

Can you back that up? I'd bet just the opposite is the truth...MOST government offices are located within the city, I'm sure buses run close by.

They are invisible until their anchor baby citizen child is born...all 50 million of them...then they use that baby to stay and collect welfare. AND vote. The earliest anchor babies are in their 30s now and have their own kids. It's THE reason Hispanics are the majority of kids being born and WILL be the majority within 30 years.

Of course they are...just as your side is trying to outnumber THEM.

It doesn't matter who wins the election Joe...BOTH the D and the R candidate works for the party, for the "system" that really runs everything.

The two parties are there...with opposite agendas...to keep us against each other instead of against THEM who play us like fiddles. WHY do you think they allowed women and minorities to vote? They're all EMOTIONAL and can be manipulated via emotion. At first the founders wanted ONLY rational, successful men voting...but as government became more corrupt, they realized that they could control us through emotion...the rest is history.

I am the kind of liberal that voted for John Kasich. I am about as middle of the road as you can get. The problem is the far right or far left will call a middle of the road person either a liberal or conservative. Our political beliefs haven't changed theirs has.

There are 50 million Hispanics in this country. How can they all be anchor babies? The number that I think was thrown around was 11 million illegals, which included anchor babies.

There was a bipartisan Senate bill that passed prior to the Republicans gaining control of the House in 2014 that addressed illegals, and gave them a path to citizenship. The Senate Republicans didn't have a problem with it then. Now, illegals are the great American tragedy.

Read the article concerning the judge striking down the Penn. ID. It isn't as simple as you are making it to get a voter ID. There is no dancing around the intent of the Penn. House. They wanted to make it hard for minorities and others to vote. They didn't even try to hide it.

Concerning the parties having opposite agendas, it hasn't always been that way. Elect a person like John Kasich at least he would have tried to work with Democrats. Right now, we are on a road to nowhere.

It was just reported that 45 of the 50 states will not fully with the request of voter information. So, what is everybody trying to hide from Trump? The truth that there was not massive voter fraud in the last election. The truth and Trump now there are two polar opposites.

[Rockyrd]

I am the kind of liberal that voted for John Kasich. I am about as middle of the road as you can get. The problem is the far right or far left will call a middle of the road person either a liberal or conservative. Our political beliefs haven't changed theirs has.

There are 50 million Hispanics in this country. How can they all be anchor babies? The number that I think was thrown around was 11 million illegals, which included anchor babies.

There was a bipartisan Senate bill that passed prior to the Republicans gaining control of the House in 2014 that addressed illegals, and gave them a path to citizenship. The Senate Republicans didn't have a problem with it then. Now, illegals are the great American tragedy.

Read the article concerning the judge striking down the Penn. ID. It isn't as simple as you are making it to get a voter ID. There is no dancing around the intent of the Penn. House. They wanted to make it hard for minorities and others to vote. They didn't even try to hide it.

Concerning the parties having opposite agendas, it hasn't always been that way. Elect a person like John Kasich at least he would have tried to work with Democrats. Right now, we are on a road to nowhere.

It was just reported that 45 of the 50 states will not fully with the request of voter information. So, what is everybody trying to hide from Trump? The truth that there was not massive voter fraud in the last election. The truth and Trump now there are two polar opposites.

Thank you for a reasoned post.

Just prior to the election, there was some great work being done on immigration in a bi partisan manner, which is truely the only options. Yelling, screaming and calling names just never works.

The voter fraud thing has been done over and over, and this commission is simply a total waste of taxpayer money to satisfy a whim or whatever.

[Don Baldwin]

I am the kind of liberal that voted for John Kasich. I am about as middle of the road as you can get. The problem is the far right or far left will call a middle of the road person either a liberal or conservative. Our political beliefs haven't changed theirs has.

There are 50 million Hispanics in this country. How can they all be anchor babies? The number that I think was thrown around was 11 million illegals, which included anchor babies.

There was a bipartisan Senate bill that passed prior to the Republicans gaining control of the House in 2014 that addressed illegals, and gave them a path to citizenship. The Senate Republicans didn't have a problem with it then. Now, illegals are the great American tragedy.

Read the article concerning the judge striking down the Penn. ID. It isn't as simple as you are making it to get a voter ID. There is no dancing around the intent of the Penn. House. They wanted to make it hard for minorities and others to vote. They didn't even try to hide it.

Concerning the parties having opposite agendas, it hasn't always been that way. Elect a person like John Kasich at least he would have tried to work with Democrats. Right now, we are on a road to nowhere.

It was just reported that 45 of the 50 states will not fully with the request of voter information. So, what is everybody trying to hide from Trump? The truth that there was not massive voter fraud in the last election. The truth and Trump now there are two polar opposites.

There are 100 million...while you slept they kept sneaking in...11 million AT ANY GIVEN TIME dropping off "citizen" anchor babies. Hispanics have the MOST babies now...Hispanics ARE the majority of children starting school...Hispanics are the MAJORITY below the age of 7...Hispanic WILL BE THE MAJORITY within 30 years.

The Hispanic invasion is the great American tragedy. They're breeding us out. Whites WERE 90% of the population, we're now 49%.

I disagree...ANY "normal", productive citizen has access to getting an ID. If they can collect welfare, they have an ID. If they have a job, they have ID. WHO is left?

The parties being opposites is by design...to keep us against each other and not united. Right now...we are on the road to becoming Mexico II...plain and simple.

I keep telling you...and you need to listen...IT DOESN'T MATTER WHOM YOU VOTE FOR. ALL the candidates work for the "system" and will continue to do so. Their job once elected is to make things good for those who paid for their campaign.

[rubicon]

As a response to the previous posting regarding Governors, this was appropriate.



As to your broad brush of excuses, there are many reasons that "requirement for identification" has been problematic.

The first problem with "voter identification" is the perceived problem: voter fraud.

Voter ID laws are a cumbersome solution in desperate search of a problem.

There are many variations of The Voter-Fraud Myth, but the most common claims hinge on the idea that our electoral systems are vulnerable to manipulation and subversion by large cabals of devious fraudsters bent on perverting the democratic process, and that the only way to combat the unseen legions of ineligible voters casting fraudulent ballots in our elections is to demand additional documentation from each voter in order to verify their identity and legitimacy.

Unfortunately, voter impersonation, which is literally the only form of Electoral fraud that is effectively mitigated or prevented by voter ID laws, also happens to be the single rarest and least effective form of election fraud in existence. For example in Texas, a state which recently adopted some of the most stringent voter ID laws in the country, state officials were hard-pressed to produce even a handful of instances of suspected voter fraud--over the previous decade. An analysis by News21, a national investigative reporting project, identified 10 voter impersonation cases out of 2,068 alleged election fraud cases since 2000 — or one out of every 15 million prospective voters.

In contrast, other forms of electoral fraud--such as tampering with ballots, manipulating Absentee ballots, stuffing ballot boxes, or electronic hacking of voting machines--are much easier, more effective, and more potentially damaging.

Which leads us to the "solution" of a mythologic problem of impersonation voter fraud.

Voting law opponents (NOT NECESSARILY ALL PROGRESSIVES) contend these laws disproportionately affect elderly, minority and low-income groups. While many states with strict laws offer a free state ID for people without any other way to vote, these IDs require documents like a birth certificate that can cost up to $25 in some places. According to a study from NYU’s Brennan Center, 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack necessary photo ID while many people in rural areas have trouble accessing ID offices.
A lawsuit filed against Alabama in early December 2015 cites the example of a high schooler who can’t vote because she lacks a driver’s license. According to the suit, she needs to get a state issued voter ID at the DMV, but the one nearest to her is only open one day per month and there’s no public transportation to another DMV 40 miles away roundtrip.

There are many elderly (and some not so elderly) that have no birth certificate for various reasons. This has disenfranchised many previous voters because now, according to THEIR state laws, they must have a government issued ID. Most of THOSE states require a birth certificate, but if you were born outside of a hospital that was able to certify your birth, the certificate was lost or destroyed, or that person, for a multitude of valid reasons could not obtain a copy of that birth certificate, they would be unable to obtain that ID.

Some states have made it VERY difficult for people to actually obtain a governmental ID because their facilities that issue those ID's are hard to get to. During closing arguments in a 2012 case over Texas’s voter ID law, a lawyer for the state brushed aside geographical obstacles as the “reality to life of choosing to live in that part of Texas.”





Ever "live" in a Nursing Home and don't drive?


I assume you have factual evidence to prove it......not just anecdotal which ANYONE can make up.


There really has NEVER been an objection to the integrity of our voting system until RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES started making up this problem.



Legal experts have investigated this situation and have concluded that this issue is not a problem. Why, then, without ACTUAL verifiable FACTS does the myth persist? Mainly because of people, like this poster, who constantly regurgitate these lies......it has been said that if you tell a lie often enough, many will regard it as the truth.



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so because my view concerning Christe agrees with yours my response was appropriate:D

You spend a lot of time and space to defend the progressive's belief of voter fraud being non-existent.

Let me ask is there any federal program that isn't fraught with fraud and abuse?

Let me ask are there not high stakes rewards and control thus power gained by winning the vote.

Progressives who dismiss out of hand the possibility that voter fraud exist and who campaign against any investigation thereof are either naive' or believe others are naive'

You reference living in a nursing home and or don't drive. If someone is living in a nursing home the facility knows who they are and specifically whom they can expect payment. If this patient is mobile s/he will be provided transportation.

My mother and father were deeply patriotic and worked every campaign. I learned from them that they made certain that every person desiring to vote had transportation to and from the voting station.

As to the subject matter of identification suggesting it is problematic in this day and age is simply not true.

Our voting system needs to have an indepth review and to be certified as to its methods of authentication

Personal Best Regards;

[Rockyrd]

so because my view concerning Christe agrees with yours my response was appropriate:D

You spend a lot of time and space to defend the progressive's belief of voter fraud being non-existent.

Let me ask is there any federal program that isn't fraught with fraud and abuse?

Let me ask are there not high stakes rewards and control thus power gained by winning the vote.

Progressives who dismiss out of hand the possibility that voter fraud exist and who campaign against any investigation thereof are either naive' or believe others are naive'

You reference living in a nursing home and or don't drive. If someone is living in a nursing home the facility knows who they are and specifically whom they can expect payment. If this patient is mobile s/he will be provided transportation.

My mother and father were deeply patriotic and worked every campaign. I learned from them that they made certain that every person desiring to vote had transportation to and from the voting station.

As to the subject matter of identification suggesting it is problematic in this day and age is simply not true.

Our voting system needs to have an indepth review and to be certified as to its methods of authentication

Personal Best Regards;

Just to keep it clear.

Elections, both federal and state are run by the individual states, not the federal government. Is not that correct ?

Are you advocating MORE Federal interference in the election process ?

Do you dismiss, out of hand, the various state investigations...including Kansas...where what Trump is searching for is not even a glint ?

[wjboyer1]

so because my view concerning Christe agrees with yours my response was appropriate:D

You spend a lot of time and space to defend the progressive's belief of voter fraud being non-existent.

Let me ask is there any federal program that isn't fraught with fraud and abuse?

Let me ask are there not high stakes rewards and control thus power gained by winning the vote.

Progressives who dismiss out of hand the possibility that voter fraud exist and who campaign against any investigation thereof are either naive' or believe others are naive'

You reference living in a nursing home and or don't drive. If someone is living in a nursing home the facility knows who they are and specifically whom they can expect payment. If this patient is mobile s/he will be provided transportation.

My mother and father were deeply patriotic and worked every campaign. I learned from them that they made certain that every person desiring to vote had transportation to and from the voting station.

As to the subject matter of identification suggesting it is problematic in this day and age is simply not true.

Our voting system needs to have an indepth review and to be certified as to its methods of authentication

Personal Best Regards;

Looks like another poster regurgitating the Myth

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