"Drug House/Chop Shop" Owner

[Sandtrap328]

I was thinking/wondering about the owner of the home that got raided recently for drugs.

If he was so ill or not mentally alert enough not to have known about the extra people in the house or the ongoing activities of the illegal sales, etc - just how will he be able to care for himself alone. It is my assumption that the niece was presumably there to care for him.

If he did have any idea whatsoever was was happening, he should have been charged as an accessory for not "dropping the dime" on them.

It would be interesting to know if the niece and her coherts were released on bond and WHO paid the bond AND where they went.

Also would be interesting to know the follow-up on the owner of the house.

[patfla06]

I was thinking/wondering about the owner of the home that got raided recently for drugs.

If he was so ill or not mentally alert enough not to have known about the extra people in the house or the ongoing activities of the illegal sales, etc - just how will he be able to care for himself alone. It is my assumption that the niece was presumably there to care for him.

If he did have any idea whatsoever was was happening, he should have been charged as an accessory for not "dropping the dime" on them.

It would be interesting to know if the niece and her coherts were released on bond and WHO paid the bond AND where they went.

Also would be interesting to know the follow-up on the owner of the house.

:BigApplause:

[rubicon]

This situation is one reason I deplore the rental policy in this community. I especially dislike the policy when someone purchases a home(s) specifically for renting.

This situation received such notoriety that my son-in-law called my wife from his home in New York to see if there was more to the story than he read in the paper

Are we losing the fantasy island glow and becoming a kardashian nightmare?

[BobnBev]

this situation is one reason i deplore the rental policy in this community. I especially dislike the policy when someone purchases a home(s) specifically for renting.

This situation received such notoriety that my son-in-law called my wife from his home in new york to see if there was more to the story than he read in the paper

are we losing the fantasy island glow and becoming a kardashian nightmare?

well put!!!!!

[Madelaine Amee]

This situation is one reason I deplore the rental policy in this community. I especially dislike the policy when someone purchases a home(s) specifically for renting.

This situation received such notoriety that my son-in-law called my wife from his home in New York to see if there was more to the story than he read in the paper

Are we losing the fantasy island glow and becoming a kardashian nightmare?

Yes, agree with you Rubicon! Just a day or so ago, maybe even today, there is a story about a 29 (?) year old woman being caught with heroin on her person, she was renting here. It disgusts me. I said to my other half that people who rent just don't care who they rent to as long as they get their money.

[Nucky]

People love bad news. Do you think people watch NASCAR because the cars go fast, hell no they watch for the crashes. Same thing here. We live in an amazing place and some people are waiting for the crash.....I don't think its going to happen.

I feel bad for all the innocent people involved in this situation homeowner and neighbors included. Those who did wrong will be dealt with and I hope they get help if they need it. We live in a community, these things are going to happen and they will be dealt with. I got a similar call from my old home as if it was my fault this happened. People love controversy.

What policy should be put in place about property rentals? I'm not being disrespectful but this is the United States Of America and renting a property is part of our freedom. Could you imagine what would become of our community if rentals were stopped. I believe you would have a whole new can of worms which wouldn't be pretty. I respect the people who invested in our community to rent out their properties, it is not a walk in the park to be a landlord. They deserve to profit.

[Sandtrap328]

This situation is one reason I deplore the rental policy in this community. I especially dislike the policy when someone purchases a home(s) specifically for renting.

This situation received such notoriety that my son-in-law called my wife from his home in New York to see if there was more to the story than he read in the paper

Are we losing the fantasy island glow and becoming a kardashian nightmare?

I agree with you regarding rental homes. However, I didn't get the impression this was a rental situation. The article referred to an owner who had his niece staying with him. The owner was described as ill. I presumed the niece was staying with him to act as a caretaker.

We are now a community of over 120,000 people. I would not call The Villages a Khardashian nightmare by any means.

My post really was about the owner and what will happen to him. If no family will help and he is unable to fend for himself-as he obviously can't, what becomes of him and the property?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

The house belongs to the occupant and a co-owner with the same last name as the niece.

Searched by address 1902 Antonia PL

Sumter County Property Appraiser (http://www.sumterpa.com/GIS/)

[graciegirl]

This situation is one reason I deplore the rental policy in this community. I especially dislike the policy when someone purchases a home(s) specifically for renting.

This situation received such notoriety that my son-in-law called my wife from his home in New York to see if there was more to the story than he read in the paper

Are we losing the fantasy island glow and becoming a kardashian nightmare?

Again, I agree with you.

[NotGolfer]

Back to the story....the owner/occupent had medical needs. A relative sent his niece to take care of him but she's the one who had issues with drugs and invited the others in. I would think that the authorities have a good handle on things and the owner/occupent now is in better hands.

So much speculation by folks who have no idea what's going on....me included.

As for rentals...I suspect there's been rentals here since the beginning. Folks just didn't hear about the "darker side" that may or may not have been happening. I somewhat agree with the OP about wishing there was some sort of policy regarding that happening. Not sure how that would be implemented however. I've heard of folks who've made it a business to accrue several properties just for the purpose of renting them.

[rubicon]

I don't believe we need to be speaking badly about Renters and those who rent to them. I would venture to say that the majority of those who are renting and all so those who are renting their properties are good people.
Some people do not care to own a home but prefer to rent.
I realize that there is a lot of publicity from the online paper about those that are arrested. I would venture to say that like most news they are trying for headlines that attract readers.
Do your research, most of those that are featured in that online paper as arrested are not renters but are living with relatives or parents.

nkirfats: In all due respect I am not talking against renters nor did I address the legality of renting. My concern was not in the short run but in the long run... how will this community develop?

To better understand my point of view is to begin with your point of view. How do you view The Villages? Is it a retirement community for 55+ or is it someone's vacation destination?

The rationale early on for renting was to give people an opportunity to determine if they could adjust to the community............

Well its gone beyond that and if you are looking closely at the menu on this board you will find people who actually want to RENT JUST A ROOM.

there are some who continue to buy units only for rental income and they do not even live here.

clearly they are within their right to rent their homes out. clearly there are a greater percentage of decent people renting.

However, in my view it becomes problematic because homeowners are permitted to transfer their amenity
rights to renters. The Villages could have made it policy that amenity privileges could not be transferred or assigned Recall how the sales people marketed The Villages. its actually cheaper to rent here than to buy here and that dog won't hunt

There are other communities in Florida that stopped permitting renting because it was damaging their community.

Perhaps I am mistaken but you would want to believe that leaders in this community are on the look out to ensure that this community lives up to its reputation and promises to those residents that wanted to call this community home.

and yes I am an advocate for live and let live but i am also concerned as to how this community will develop and what we sow now we reap later.

[Madelaine Amee]

nkirfats: In all due respect I am not talking against renters nor did I address the legality of renting. My concern was not in the short run but in the long run... how will this community develop?

To better understand my point of view is to begin with your point of view. How do you view The Villages? Is it a retirement community for 55+ or is it someone's vacation destination?

The rationale early on for renting was to give people an opportunity to determine if they could adjust to the community............

Well its gone beyond that and if you are looking closely at the menu on this board you will find people who actually want to RENT JUST A ROOM.

there are some who continue to buy units only for rental income and they do not even live here.

clearly they are within their right to rent their homes out. clearly there are a greater percentage of decent people renting.

However, in my view it becomes problematic because homeowners are permitted to transfer their amenity
rights to renters. The Villages could have made it policy that amenity privileges could not be transferred or assigned Recall how the sales people marketed The Villages. its actually cheaper to rent here than to buy here and that dog won't hunt

There are other communities in Florida that stopped permitting renting because it was damaging their community.

Perhaps I am mistaken but you would want to believe that leaders in this community are on the look out to ensure that this community lives up to its reputation and promises to those residents that wanted to call this community home.

and yes I am an advocate for live and let live but i am also concerned as to how this community will develop and what we sow now we reap later.

Again, I agree with you. Unfortunately I think we are getting too big for much to be done about this now, it should have been written into the original By-laws.

[PennBF]

The Sheriff's Office in Marion County suggested that if you see a home with children's toys spread about, but no kids,
it never appears occupied and a lot of come and go then you may want to let the Sheriff know as it may be a Meth House. I was also supprised to find out that Marion allegedly has the most Meth Houses in Florida and the county is larger than the state of Rhode Island. :ho:

[Taltarzac725]

The Sheriff's Office in Marion County suggested that if you see a home with children's toys spread about, but no kids,
it never appears occupied and a lot of come and go then you may want to let the Sheriff know as it may be a Meth House. I was also supprised to find out that Marion allegedly has the most Meth Houses in Florida and the county is larger than the state of Rhode Island. :ho:

Bigger than Rhode Island? There are many rural areas in Marion County. Is not the Ocala National Forest mostly in Marion County?
Ocala National Forest - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocala_National_Forest)

[Bonny]

I disagree about renters. Most low lifes can't pay the rent charged in the Villages. I have many friends, including my sister, who rent here. Wonderful people. We have a couple of houses near us that have the same renters every year. Really nice people.
I think it's just a Florida thing that there are so many renters. Retirees buy, but want to spend summers up north with the family. They rent to offset the cost of maintaining 2 homes.

[Taltarzac725]

I disagree about renters. Most low lifes can't pay the rent charged in the Villages. I have many friends, including my sister, who rent here. Wonderful people. We have a couple of houses near us that have the same renters every year. Really nice people.
I think it's just a Florida thing that there are so many renters. Retirees buy, but want to spend summers up north with the family. They rent to offset the cost of maintaining 2 homes.

Your assessment looks more realistic. It does seem that the troublemakers in the Villages are more than often kids or grand kids of Villagers who are helping take care of these Villagers. Most of us are hard at work helping our family out and doing other stuff but with a population now of about 160,000 you will see more and more bad apples in the barrel.

[xcaligirl]

I agree! Plus renters seem to not have to follow any CC&R's. I don't feel like I have to be the police in the neighborhood especially since community watch does drive through here. Yes, that may not be their job however I don't believe it's the neighbors job either. There are many renters that are very respectful and do not cause problems but others are a real pain.

[Bonny]

Let's also not forget the amount of money renters bring to the Villages. I don't shop much in the stores here, but I like having them. Without renters and snowbirds, I don't think a lot of these stores could make it.

[Bogie Shooter]

I don't believe we need to be speaking badly about Renters and those who rent to them. I would venture to say that the majority of those who are renting and all so those who are renting their properties are good people.
Some people do not care to own a home but prefer to rent.
I realize that there is a lot of publicity from the online paper about those that are arrested. I would venture to say that like most news they are trying for headlines that attract readers.
Do your research, most of those that are featured in that online paper as arrested are not renters but are living with relatives or parents.

Or are miles from The Villages. Bad guys in Ocala or Leesburg,,,,,I have no interest in reading about their bad deeds. Their reports just fill space on that site.

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree! Plus renters seem to not have to follow any CC&R's. I don't feel like I have to be the police in the neighborhood especially since community watch does drive through here. Yes, that may not be their job however I don't believe it's the neighbors job either. There are many renters that are very respectful and do not cause problems but others are a real pain.

What are CC&R's?

[Bonny]

Or are miles from The Villages. Bad guys in Ocala or Leesburg,,,,,I have no interest in reading about their bad deeds. Their reports just fill space on that site.
Sometimes it's good to hear about the surrounding areas as well because some of those people work in and around the Villages.

[Chi-Town]

What are CC&R's?
Credence Clearwater Revivals?

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[stan the man]

This situation is one reason I deplore the rental policy in this community. I especially dislike the policy when someone purchases a home(s) specifically for renting.

This situation received such notoriety that my son-in-law called my wife from his home in New York to see if there was more to the story than he read in the paper

Are we losing the fantasy island glow and becoming a kardashian nightmare?

When I first moved here many year ago. You could only own one house. Of course there was always the people Who thought it was the American way to find a way to beat the system. Back then they would buy one house and tell of villages that the house they bought was either too big or too small so they wanted to buy another one while the original house was up for sale. But the asking price for the original house was so high that nobody would ever buy it and therefore they were able to buy another house.. The second house became a rental. They would then take the original house off the market and stay in the original house. But as time went on and the developer got greedy he really didn't care That a good development is "owner occupied" and not people who buy for investment. I know of some communities where it is not legal to own two homes and the difference is like night and day. Rentals bring problems,, don't get me wrong there are people that want to rent before they buy but there also the entrepreneurs who could care less who they rent to as long as they make money. You can see it in some of the neighborhoods where on some blocks there are many rentals and the camaraderie between the neighbors ceases to exist. This is always not the case There are exceptions. When it is owner occupied seems to be a much better neighborhood.

[graciegirl]

When I first moved here many year ago. You could only own one house. Of course there was always the people Who thought it was the American way to find a way to beat the system. Back then they would buy one house and tell of villages that the house they bought was either too big or too small so they wanted to buy another one while the original house was up for sale. But the asking price for the original house was so high that nobody would ever buy it and therefore they were able to buy another house.. The second house became a rental. They would then take the original house off the market and stay in the original house. But as time went on and the developer got greedy he really didn't care That a good development is "owner occupied" and not people who buy for investment. I know of some communities where it is not legal to own two homes and the difference is like night and day. Rentals bring problems,, don't get me wrong there are people that want to rent before they buy but there also the entrepreneurs who could care less who they rent to as long as they make money. You can see it in some of the neighborhoods where on some blocks there are many rentals and the camaraderie between the neighbors ceases to exist. This is always not the case There are exceptions. When it is owner occupied seems to be a much better neighborhood.

Never heard about owning one house. I think you are only allowed to buy two NEW houses at a time...still.

It is o.k. to make money.
It is o.k. to own a home you rent out. .
It isn't o.k. when the owner of the home fails to keep it nice and up to par of the neighborhood it's in. Or to rent it out by the day...or allow a bunch of people who don't know each other to rent it.

I watch Judge Judy and I know stuff.

[rubicon]

When I first moved here many year ago. You could only own one house. Of course there was always the people Who thought it was the American way to find a way to beat the system. Back then they would buy one house and tell of villages that the house they bought was either too big or too small so they wanted to buy another one while the original house was up for sale. But the asking price for the original house was so high that nobody would ever buy it and therefore they were able to buy another house.. The second house became a rental. They would then take the original house off the market and stay in the original house. But as time went on and the developer got greedy he really didn't care That a good development is "owner occupied" and not people who buy for investment. I know of some communities where it is not legal to own two homes and the difference is like night and day. Rentals bring problems,, don't get me wrong there are people that want to rent before they buy but there also the entrepreneurs who could care less who they rent to as long as they make money. You can see it in some of the neighborhoods where on some blocks there are many rentals and the camaraderie between the neighbors ceases to exist. This is always not the case There are exceptions. When it is owner occupied seems to be a much better neighborhood.


stan the man

thank you. for whatever reason even if I wrote iT all in capital letters that my comments are not directed at renters BUT AT THE PROBLEMS CREATED NOT BECAUSE OF RENTALS BUT BECAUSE AN OWNER CAN TRANSFER/ASSIGN HIS/HER AMENITY RIGHTS it still would be lost on some. its not about people its about policy.

Madeline Amee is right its too late

i don't recall a sales person ever informing me that I could buy or rent. of course when I bought they told you you had to take the house as it was under their conditions or hit the road.

[graciegirl]

stan the man

thank you. for whatever reason even if I wrote iT all in capital letters that my comments are not directed at renters BUT AT THE PROBLEMS CREATED NOT BECAUSE OF RENTALS BUT BECAUSE AN OWNER CAN TRANSFER/ASSIGN HIS/HER AMENITY RIGHTS it still would be lost on some. its not about people its about policy.

Madeline Amee is right its too late

i don't recall a sales person ever informing me that I could buy or rent. of course when I bought they told you you had to take the house as it was under their conditions or hit the road.

Rubicon.

In all of the history of sales people all over the world, only a dumb one would say you can buy or rent.

And it is still under their conditions or you can hit the road.

This is a desirable place to live and they can call the shots.

[rubicon]

Rubicon.

In all of the history of sales people all over the world, only a dumb one would say you can buy or rent.

And it is still under their conditions or you can hit the road.

This is a desirable place to live and they can call the shots.

I am pleased to live in TV but my nature is to focus on the peripheral.

Personal Best Regards:

[Aloha1]

What are CC&R's?

Codes, Covenants, and Restrictions. Typical development type rules and regs.

[Chatbrat]

Why worry about such trivia--worry about will I wake up ?

[dbussone]

Why worry about such trivia--worry about will I wake up ?



And why worry about that? I don't.


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[CFrance]

And why worry about that? I don't.


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Right. 'Cause if I don't wake up, I won't know it, anyway.:D

[manaboutown]

If I were wont to run a crack house or a meth lab I would opt for the least likely neighborhood in which to conduct my illicit operation. A 55 and over community would certainly be an attractive choice IMHO.

[Packer Fan]

I am just going to say as a homeowner who rents my home, and has always had excellent renters, that you offend me. This was an OWNERS RELATIVE. This has zero to do with renters. Some people chose to invest in the villages before we can live there, and we take good care of our investment just like you do. The people who rent from me are very nice, and do not attack owner occupied people. I would say they are nicer than you and several others on this forum. My renters come back year after year and love the villages, they just do not want to own.

So basically this whole thing was an owner occupied property and somehow you want to bash renters. REALLY? Owners who rent provide opportunities to try before you buy, to enjoy without having to buy, and possibly to have people who would otherwise not have the capital to invest to enjoy the villages. We also keep your property values up by providing more demand for property.

I just think you are totally off the mark.


nkirfats: In all due respect I am not talking against renters nor did I address the legality of renting. My concern was not in the short run but in the long run... how will this community develop?

To better understand my point of view is to begin with your point of view. How do you view The Villages? Is it a retirement community for 55+ or is it someone's vacation destination?

The rationale early on for renting was to give people an opportunity to determine if they could adjust to the community............

Well its gone beyond that and if you are looking closely at the menu on this board you will find people who actually want to RENT JUST A ROOM.

there are some who continue to buy units only for rental income and they do not even live here.

clearly they are within their right to rent their homes out. clearly there are a greater percentage of decent people renting.

However, in my view it becomes problematic because homeowners are permitted to transfer their amenity
rights to renters. The Villages could have made it policy that amenity privileges could not be transferred or assigned Recall how the sales people marketed The Villages. its actually cheaper to rent here than to buy here and that dog won't hunt

There are other communities in Florida that stopped permitting renting because it was damaging their community.

Perhaps I am mistaken but you would want to believe that leaders in this community are on the look out to ensure that this community lives up to its reputation and promises to those residents that wanted to call this community home.

and yes I am an advocate for live and let live but i am also concerned as to how this community will develop and what we sow now we reap later.

[rubicon]

I am just going to say as a homeowner who rents my home, and has always had excellent renters, that you offend me. This was an OWNERS RELATIVE. This has zero to do with renters. Some people chose to invest in the villages before we can live there, and we take good care of our investment just like you do. The people who rent from me are very nice, and do not attack owner occupied people. I would say they are nicer than you and several others on this forum. My renters come back year after year and love the villages, they just do not want to own.

So basically this whole thing was an owner occupied property and somehow you want to bash renters. REALLY? Owners who rent provide opportunities to try before you buy, to enjoy without having to buy, and possibly to have people who would otherwise not have the capital to invest to enjoy the villages. We also keep your property values up by providing more demand for property.

I just think you are totally off the mark.

Well then Packer Fan you are going to be more offended when you learn that I am a Viking Fan. The Vikings resided in my community and a few were my neighbors.:D

Kidding aside I continue to post that I am not talking about PEOPLE but rather POLICY but the subject matter to some posters sets off premature fire alarms.

I continue to say I am not speaking to the LEGALITY of it but that the affect and effect ,the good and the bad it has on this community....lack of continuity of relationships, overuse of amenities, etc

Once again it depends on how one views The Villages. Is it your retirement community (home) or someone's vacation destination... And yes I understand the financial benefits of the latter. However one also has to remember that only a few reap the rewards while the vast majority suffer the consequences. Oops don't want to offend so let me change the word consequence to circumstances ( crowding.......)

There are probably as many different thoughts on this issue as there are people living here. So clearly I am not offended that you are offended. Because thoughts or opinions are not harmful. I have not marched in the streets with signage protesting renters.

I respect your point of view and am pleased that you spoke up so that the discussion circle widens and we all learn more about an issue .

The best of all to you and yours.

Personal Best Regards:

[Moderator]

This thread has veered far away from the original topic. It is now closed. If you wish to start a new thread discussing rental vs. owner occupied property, feel free to do so.

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