Did you know this about the great pyramid?

[Lottoguy]

Not only is the Great Pyramid of Giza at the exact center of Earths land mass, there is also this incredible fact:

WIN EVERY PYRAMID DEBATE WITH THIS FACT! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/KM-VCvYRFEs)

Eery coincidence? The constant of speed of light equals the coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza | Ancient Code (https://www.ancient-code.com/eery-coincidence-the-constant-of-speed-of-light-equals-the-coordinates-of-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/)

[graciegirl]

Incredible. Unbelievable and hard to accept.

In fact I don't.

You didn't have my English teacher when it came to researching credible information.

I don't mean this unkindly and I am sure you do believe this but it is not in any way credible.

[Arctic Fox]

Not only is the Great Pyramid of Giza at the exact center of Earths land mass...[/url]

The Earth must have a very odd rotation, since a planet rotates around the center of its mass

Still, as it's on TOTV then it must be correct :-)

[logdog]

Interesting but apparently debunked in 1973. See: Geographical centre of Earth - Wikiwand (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Geographical_centre_of_Earth). Isn't Google amazing?

[Lottoguy]

The greatest form of ignorance is when you reject something you know nothing about.

[manaboutown]

I know I have been inside it.

[Lottoguy]

Wikipedia is a joke. Not even close to being credible. Measurements have slightly changed due to various reasons over years and years. Science won't touch this amazing fact. This is only one of many strange but true facts. Yet, people believe slaves built the pyramids with a metal ball and chisel. And then dragging 2,500,000 million blocks up an incline that has been proven to be too steep.

[manaboutown]

Wikipedia is a joke. Not even close to being credible. Measurements have slightly changed due to various reasons over years and years. Science won't touch this amazing fact. This is only one of many strange but true facts. Yet, people believe slaves built the pyramids with a metal ball and chisel. And then dragging 2,5000,000 million blocks up an incline that has been proven to be too steep.

aliens - woo - woo!

[Lottoguy]

See how clever they were?

The Great Pyramid of Giza has 8 Sides - YouTube (https://youtu.be/IgwgPo0BC7Q)

And to think people today say they were built by slaves with a ball and chisel? Good luck with that theory! Especially after seeing the short video above. The pyramids have actually eight sides that can only be seen for a short time during the Equinox. And this can only be seen from above. Good luck debunking this one. There is still more......much more.

[Arctic Fox]

...2,5000,000 million blocks...

even allowing for your extra zero, that's a heck of a lot of blocks - are you sure you added them up correctly?

[Lottoguy]

Yes, that is the approximate number of blocks needed. Architects and builders today say building such a structure now would be next to impossible. Even with today's equipment they don't know how they did it. I get a kick out of some the strange theories out there. One has them floating the blocks with coconuts 500 miles down the Nile River.

[aninjamom]

Ok, I have been reading science fiction, AND science fact since I was 10. A long time. I have read about a myriad of speculations, I read "Ancient Astronauts", and one book about a couple that were "abducted by aliens". I forget their names. I would find it totally fascinating if aliens visited us, and am not adverse to believing that they may have. But I also like to apply common sense and real facts to theories. You claim Wiki is not a credible source - but You Tube is? Try this: Google the Great Pyramid. Find it on Google maps. Pull out. Pull all the way out. If Earth has a "center" land mass on the surface, it's in Russia. Read up on the research National Geographic has done about the building of the Pyramids. And if we weren't brain-washed with "cavemen" in school, the fact that people were actually intelligent enough to figure stuff out in ancient China, Egypt and Greece all by themselves would be obvious. People weren't "unevolved" back then, they just didn't have the tech we have. Can you explain how your cell phone works? I like the point made in another thread on TOTV: If these aliens are so advanced, why do they come here and CRASH? I am open to evidence that makes sense, online "proof" for anything can be found online!

[Lottoguy]

The crashing of UFO's has baffled people for many years. The most plausible explanation is they are caused by lighting strikes. Many of the most famous ones like Roswell happened during a lightning storm. Do these crafts have problems with that? Very few things on this planet are more powerful then a dead center lightning strike.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The exact center of the earth's land mass? Is there such a thing? How could that be determined? The earth has many land masses.

What a ridiculous idea.

And what would lead to the conclusion that aliens would use the metric system of measurement?

Numbers may not lie, but you can draw many different conclusions from the same set of numbers.

[DonH57]

The exact center of the earth's land mass? Is there such a thing? How could that be determined? The earth has many land masses.

What a ridiculous idea.

And what would lead to the conclusion that aliens would use the metric system of measurement?

Numbers may not lie, but you can draw many different conclusions from the same set of numbers.

It's been over 20 years ago those little boogers borrowed my metric tools and haven't bother to return them. It was the silver looking lizard types!

[Bavarian]

I know I have been inside it.
Me too

[Bavarian]

I know I have been inside it.
Me too

[Taltarzac725]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

You can go inside of it??

[Lottoguy]

I haven't even mentioned how the pyramids line up to the different stars in the sky. Or how it points to true north perfectly. Or how there is evidence of advanced stone cutting. Or how 2.5 million boulders were moved 500 miles from the quarry. I won't bother with those facts. Your mind cannot comprehend even one fact.

[rubicon]

Not only is the Great Pyramid of Giza at the exact center of Earths land mass, there is also this incredible fact:

WIN EVERY PYRAMID DEBATE WITH THIS FACT! - YouTube (https://youtu.be/KM-VCvYRFEs)

Eery coincidence? The constant of speed of light equals the coordinates of the Great Pyramid of Giza | Ancient Code (https://www.ancient-code.com/eery-coincidence-the-constant-of-speed-of-light-equals-the-coordinates-of-the-great-pyramid-of-giza/)

lottoguy:

You are at a distinct disadvantage when covering this subject matter. There are and there will always be flat earthers . This is an observation and not a judgment

the Pyramids are a wonder. I'll leave it at that.

Personal Best Regards:

[Lottoguy]

Yes, but only with special permission can you enter into the pyramid. Watch the complete series called The Pyramid Code on Netflix. It's five parts all together. Recently they sent in small robotic rovers into the shafts. But, it was stopped when photos showed unusual figures on the wall never seen before. Why did they clamp down on this? To control the truth.

[Taltarzac725]

Keep posting stuff lottoguy. It is interesting as are the various responses.

[Lottoguy]

It's always easier dealing with an open mind then a closed one. Many people just can't handle this subject. It's always easier for them to attack me then what I've presented.

[Taltarzac725]

It's always easier dealing with an open mind then a closed one. Many people just can't handle this subject. It's always easier for them to attack me then what I've presented.

Seems to go with the territory Lottoguy. It is easier to just question the messenger rather than looking at the message if it disrupts their world view. Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance)

TEDxCanberra - Ash Donaldson - Cognitive dissonance - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqONzcNbzh8)

[Lottoguy]

Exactly how I feel. Check out a man named Graham Hancock. He just recently proved there was probably a major event that happened to Earth around 9,000 BC. It was the discovery of Gobekle Tepe in Turkey that helped him with this discovery.

[Arctic Fox]

The crashing of UFO's has baffled people for many years. The most plausible explanation is they are caused by lighting strikes. Many of the most famous ones like Roswell happened during a lightning storm. Do these crafts have problems with that? Very few things on this planet are more powerful then a dead center lightning strike.

There are hundreds of planes in the air at any one time, yet surprisingly few crashing out of the sky due to lightning strikes?

[Arctic Fox]

...dragging 2,500,000 million blocks up an incline...

The volume of the Great Pyramid is 2,583,283 cubic metres

So, in round sum terms, one million of your blocks would make a cubic metre.

So each of your blocks is about four inches by four inches by four inches.

Are you sure you don't want to reconsider your figures?

[aninjamom]

You didn't know that the Egyptians and other ancient people knew astronomy, and believed that the stars were very important? The night sky is very bright without electric lights interfering. Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Mayan structures, many others were aligned with movements of the moon, sun and stars. These people were not ignorant, they were intelligent, and very interested in the natural world around them and studied it. Without technology, they were very creative at solving problems. For example: moving large blocks of stone: Solved! How Ancient Egyptians Moved Massive Pyramid Stones (https://www.livescience.com/45285-how-egyptians-moved-pyramid-stones.html)
It may be more exciting to think aliens gave them help, but making facts fit a theory instead of the other way around is not good science. My mind can comprehend that.

[golfing eagles]

The volume of the Great Pyramid is 2,583,283 cubic metres

So, in round sum terms, one million of your blocks would make a cubic metre.

So each of your blocks is about four inches by four inches by four inches.

Are you sure you don't want to reconsider your figures?

HUH????

If 2 1/2 million blocks = 2 1/2 million cubic meters, than each (one) block would be a cubic meter, or about 39"x39"x39". Reconsidering????

Also, IF it takes 1 million blocks to make a m3, then each block would be 1 cm3. Reconsidering now???

(Must be common core math):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

You didn't know that the Egyptians and other ancient people knew astronomy, and believed that the stars were very important? The night sky is very bright without electric lights interfering. Stonehenge, the Pyramids, Mayan structures, many others were aligned with movements of the moon, sun and stars. These people were not ignorant, they were intelligent, and very interested in the natural world around them and studied it. Without technology, they were very creative at solving problems. For example: moving large blocks of stone: Solved! How Ancient Egyptians Moved Massive Pyramid Stones (https://www.livescience.com/45285-how-egyptians-moved-pyramid-stones.html)
It may be more exciting to think aliens gave them help, but making facts fit a theory instead of the other way around is not good science. My mind can comprehend that.

IMHO, the method in the link is "all wet". Maybe it would work for a 2 ton block, which is what most of the great pyramid is built from, but the temple in front of it has 50 ton slabs of stone. And the temple in Baalbek, Lebanon, has a 1000 ton stone placed 40 feet in the air on 2 upright stones, and another 1200 ton stone was left in the quarry. Wet sand---I doubt it.

[Lottoguy]

But those planes are not using lightning as a fuel source. This is what might be happening.

[golfing eagles]

But those planes are not using lightning as a fuel source. This is what might be happening.

Doubt it. There is a distinct lack of lightning in interstellar space.

[Taltarzac725]

From Angkor Wat to Stonehenge: How Ancient People Moved Mountains (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131106-how-ancient-people-moved-huge-structures-archaeology/)

This is interesting. One thing. The Egyptians probably used thousands of people and animals and had no compunctions about many of them dying in the building of these monuments. They used a lot of slaves from conquered territories I would guess.

"What we think is they made some sort of railway," Storemyr explained. "Not a railway in the sense we know today, but some type of wood with fixed beams that a sledge that the stone is mounted on could be dragged on."

Then it's just a matter of "lots of people, lots of rope, lots of animals," he added.

The railway, mounted on top of the paved road, would enable workers and animals to lug a stone on top of its sled to the lake and, eventually, up the Nile to the emerging pyramids. (Learn about the pyramids at Giza.)

How did they float such weight though on a boat??

[golfing eagles]

From Angkor Wat to Stonehenge: How Ancient People Moved Mountains (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131106-how-ancient-people-moved-huge-structures-archaeology/)

This is interesting. One thing. The Egyptians probably used thousands of people and animals and had no compunctions about many of them dying in the building of these monuments. They used a lot of slaves from conquered territories I would guess.



How did they float such weight though on a boat??

Wood sled might work for 2 ton stones, but try it with a 1000 ton stone and all you get is toothpicks. Lots of rope??? The problem would be there is not enough room on a 1000 ton stone to tie the thousands of ropes you would need, not to mention the rope would have to be made of steel. What the author suggested is like towing a locomotive with cooking twine.

[Taltarzac725]

Wood sled might work for 2 ton stones, but try it with a 1000 ton stone and all you get is toothpicks. Lots of rope??? The problem would be there is not enough room on a 1000 ton stone to tie the thousands of ropes you would need, not to mention the rope would have to be made of steel. What the author suggested is like towing a locomotive with cooking twine.

Theories abound on how ancient Egyptians moved the enormous limestone and sandstone blocks into place for their pyramids. But how did they transport these blocks, some weighing hundreds of tons, from the quarries to the construction sites?

Quite a mystery Golfing Eagles. How could we do it even today?

[golfing eagles]

Quite a mystery Golfing Eagles. How could we do it even today?

Interestingly, they went to a number of heavy construction experts and asked that question about the 1000 ton horizontal stone at Baalbek. Some said they couldn't do it. Others felt they could do it by using 13 of our heaviest cranes arranged in a circle, each counterweighted with 50 tons, and each attached to the stone by 8 inch steel cables. They would then VERY carefully lift the stone not to break it in a coordinated effort. But with that many cooks spoiling the broth, they doubted they could place it as accurately as they did thousands of years ago.

[Lottoguy]

Another theory as to how it might have been done.

Levitation By Sound - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqRA7m1KEGQ)

Levitation Breakthroughs! bio-gravitics, hutchison effect, vibro-acoustics, - YouTube (https://youtu.be/OqpPi8wNed8)

LACMA: Levitated Mass - On The Move (The 340-ton Rock) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DoJOwTqCxU)

[Lottoguy]

Maybe Earth is a filling station? Wild thought, but this planet has many resources.

[Arctic Fox]

HUH????

If 2 1/2 million blocks = 2 1/2 million cubic meters, than each (one) block would be a cubic meter, or about 39"x39"x39". Reconsidering????

Also, IF it takes 1 million blocks to make a m3, then each block would be 1 cm3. Reconsidering now???

(Must be common core math):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

LottoGuy stated that there are 2,500,000 million blocks, not two and a half million blocks. I questioned whether he thought his rather large figure was wrong and he said "no", so any calculation of his block size has to be based on two thousand five hundred billion blocks.

You are correct, though, that I got my centimetres confused with my decimetres - each of LottoGuy's blocks would, indeed, be 1cm x 1cm x 1cm. And that would easily fit in one of his floating coconuts :-)

[rubicon]

So if experts even today find the prospect of building a pyramid problematic does that lend support to other theories?

[golfing eagles]

LottoGuy stated that there are 2,500,000 million blocks, not two and a half million blocks. I questioned whether he thought his rather large figure was wrong and he said "no", so any calculation of his block size has to be based on two thousand five hundred billion blocks.

You are correct, though, that I got my centimetres confused with my decimetres - each of LottoGuy's blocks would, indeed, be 1cm x 1cm x 1cm. And that would easily fit in one of his floating coconuts :-)

I think LG was redundant----there are 2.5-3.0 MILLION blocks in the great pyramid. so we'll split this one 50-50:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Arctic Fox]

But those planes are not using lightning as a fuel source. This is what might be happening.

This guy does more flip-flops than Mary Lou Retton. First the UFO's crashed because they were struck by lightning; now they're being powered by it!

[Arctic Fox]

So if experts even today find the prospect of building a pyramid problematic does that lend support to other theories?

It wasn't too long ago that experts couldn't explain how a bumblebee could fly, given its high weight and small wing area. (It was high speed photography that showed that the wings twisted as well as going up and down). But at least they didn't resort to assuming that bumblebees must therefore be aliens.

[Cisco Kid]

Maybe the ancients had special abilities we no longer have, like being able to teleport bricks with their mind over a long distance.
Why assume they had less abilities and we have now .

[Cisco Kid]

It wasn't too long ago that experts couldn't explain how a bumblebee could fly, given its high weight and small wing area. (It was high speed photography that showed that the wings twisted as well as going up and down). But at least they didn't resort to assuming that bumblebees must therefore be aliens.

That's it.
That had wings. :pepper2:

[Lottoguy]

Yes, 2,500,000 blocks were used. I don't know why I added million behind that number? Duhhhhh. LOL

[Lottoguy]

Yes, well you use a gas station to fill up, right? But you could also crash into the gas station too. Same reasoning. That is one example of why they might be crashing. Another is perhaps our radar is doing something to their machines? Philip Corso who wrote the book THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL thought this might be happening. Should add secret documents believe these to be "scout" ships from something much larger. Because during their investigations, they have limited provisions inside them for such a long journey.

[golfing eagles]

Yes, well you use a gas station to fill up, right? But you could also crash into the gas station too. Same reasoning. That is one example of why they might be crashing. Another is perhaps our radar is doing something to their machines? Philip Corso who wrote the book THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL thought this might be happening. Should add secret documents believe these to be "scout" ships from something much larger. Because during their investigations, they have limited provisions inside them for such a long journey.

Travel through interstellar space without interference from cosmic rays, pulsar and quasar emissions, gravity wells from singularities, but crash due to primitive radar???????

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe the ancients had special abilities we no longer have, like being able to teleport bricks with their mind over a long distance.
Why assume they had less abilities and we have now .

I had no thought of it. But that is a different take on the whole thing. One thing. Why just pyramids if they could do that why not 100 foot walls around cities that could be conquered and were. Military of ancient Egypt - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_ancient_Egypt#The_Second_Intermediate_ Period_.E2.80.93_1650.E2.80.931550_BC)

[Lottoguy]

That is just two reasons for why they crash. Could also be some secret weapon we have. What books have you read on this subject?

[Lottoguy]

There are ancient pyramids all over the world. In China they are trying to hide their existence. Check it out.

[rubicon]

It wasn't too long ago that experts couldn't explain how a bumblebee could fly, given its high weight and small wing area. (It was high speed photography that showed that the wings twisted as well as going up and down). But at least they didn't resort to assuming that bumblebees must therefore be aliens.

Exactly, mankind's exploration must be made with an open mind and no preconceived notions. However too often in every endeavor we discover experts who, given man's hubris, only wanted to declare it was finally settled but it really never is.

I shared an experience, an objective observation but I never wanted to come to any conclusion.

What the OP lottoguy offers in his/her various threads are what amounts to "the GOD question".

I long ago gave up that struggle to discover such a truth. I believe, I pray, I follow the golden rule and when my time comes I will either discover [t]he truth or be cast in eternal darkness and it will be so without regret.

[graciegirl]

There are ancient pyramids all over the world. In China they are trying to hide their existence. Check it out.

Why do you suppose that a country would hide the existence of an ancient structure?

I just can't wrap my arms around that countries are suppressing knowledge of extraterrestrial beings. I think we, the human race, would be fascinated to hear of a visit from outside our universe.. Not all of us equate new knowledge with harm. I can't see why a being would come here to hurt us, probably more out of investigation. We may be boring as hell to beings more advanced than we are.

I think all those science fiction movies have altered our opinions. Yes it is possible and very probable that life exists out of the range of our knowledge, but it is just as likely that it knows about us and doesn't care about us than it wants to come here and hurt us or steal us or kill us.

If I went to another planet to investigate, I would be interested not hostile.

[Taltarzac725]

Chinese pyramids - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_pyramids)

They do not seem to have had the tops on.

[Lottoguy]

Two greatest questions: Are we alone? What happens after we die?

[Lottoguy]

Check out the documentary called "Unacknowledged" for the answer to your question.

[Lottoguy]

The one in Bosnia is still being suppressed. It's twice the size at Giza.

[Taltarzac725]

The one in Bosnia is still being suppressed. It's twice the size at Giza.

Bosnian pyramid claims - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_pyramid_claims)

That looks like a con job by a businessman trying to capitalize on the work he had done on that natural formation. Semir Osmanagić - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semir_Osmanagi%C4%87)

The Mystery of Bosnia's Ancient Pyramids
|
History | Smithsonian (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-mystery-of-bosnias-ancient-pyramids-148990462/)

[Lottoguy]

Once again Wikipedia becomes the main source for some people. Trust your eyes and instincts:

Bosnian Pyramids 2017 Update - Evidence of Advanced Ancient Human Civilization Lost High Technology - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6Jw0jz-AU)

Listen to the truth and to those who are hiding our human origins.

NOTE: Your Smithsonian link is 8 years old. Lots of happened since then. The pyramid at Bosnia is legit.

[graciegirl]

The one in Bosnia is still being suppressed. It's twice the size at Giza.

Pyramids in Egypt and on the Yucatan Peninsula are large tourists draws and bring wealth to the countries.

I see no reason to suppress information about ancient structures. Hills that kinda look like pyramids are probably hills that kinda look like pyramids.

The simplest answer is usually the closest to the truth. I see no reason why any ancient visits by extra terrestrials would be suppressed by the media. By the government. By anyone with any reputable knowledge.

It just feels like a conspiracy theory.

That does not mean that I don't think it possible that beings from out there somewhere haven't visited here somewhere. I just think it would be so interesting to be shared and explored.

[Lottoguy]

BBC - Future - The giant pyramid hidden inside a mountain (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160812-the-giant-pyramid-hidden-inside-a-mountain)

The largest pyramid in Mexico called the Pyramid of the Sun was once covered with trees and so forth:

Likely used as a religious and sacrificial center, the Pyramid of the Sun is the largest structure on the site and third largest pyramid in the world after Cholula near Puebla Mexico and Cheops in Egypt. When the site was rediscovered early in the 20th century, the pyramids appeared as hills of stone rubble with trees and plants growing up from the rocks. The temple atop the Pyramid of the Sun had long vanished from the towering structure.

Teotihuacan Pyramid of the Sun - Mexico Archeology (http://www.mexicoarcheology.com/teotihuacan-pyramid-of-the-sun/)

There are many many more hidden from us. The one in Bosnia will take many years.

[Arctic Fox]

I think we've all been missing the obvious answers:

The pyramids are alien spaceships that crashed because of their enormous weight in Earth's gravity.

They weren't built here, but on a small planet where the lower gravity would have made the blocks much lighter and more manageable. No need for those coconut shells after all.

And Bosnians are the offspring of those aliens.

Since you won't find the above "facts" on Wikipedia, they must be true.

[graciegirl]

I think we've all been missing the obvious answers:

The pyramids are alien spaceships that crashed because of their enormous weight in Earth's gravity.

They weren't built here, but on a small planet where the lower gravity would have made the blocks much lighter and more manageable. No need for those coconut shells after all.

And Bosnians are the offspring of those aliens.

Since you won't find the above "facts" on Wikipedia, they must be true.

I kinda thought that is how it goes.

You are a smart person Fox. I enjoy your posts.

[Taltarzac725]

I thought maybe that the aliens had a shrinking ray along with one that blows things back up to their proportion.

Pyramids to sugar cubes back to pyramids. Shrink ray - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrink_ray)

Haldane, On Being the Right Size (https://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html)

[Arctic Fox]

I kinda thought that is how it goes.

Thank you, GracieGirl. Sometimes the obvious is right in front of our eyes, if only we could see it.

[Lottoguy]

Sometimes the obvious is never covered by mainstream media too. Welcome to the TRUTH EMBARGO.

The Pyramids of China - Discovery and Area Five Xi'an Region
2 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/03files/China_Pyramid.html)

"60 Minutes" Won't Touch These Topics! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzzhF4GmwI4)

Giant Pyramids in China - Why are China trying to hide them? - YouTube (https://youtu.be/l3PU6LB88y8)

[rubicon]

Why do you suppose that a country would hide the existence of an ancient structure?

I just can't wrap my arms around that countries are suppressing knowledge of extraterrestrial beings. I think we, the human race, would be fascinated to hear of a visit from outside our universe.. Not all of us equate new knowledge with harm. I can't see why a being would come here to hurt us, probably more out of investigation. We may be boring as hell to beings more advanced than we are.

I think all those science fiction movies have altered our opinions. Yes it is possible and very probable that life exists out of the range of our knowledge, but it is just as likely that it knows about us and doesn't care about us than it wants to come here and hurt us or steal us or kill us.

If I went to another planet to investigate, I would be interested not hostile.

GG: the supposition we all make are based on the way we think which is based on our life's experiences.

We believe that we are the most logical and so therefore why would anyone not......

but we are not that person and the reason(s) for such actions from a moving party may not make sense to the observer but they do to the moving party.

if that moving party is the government the reason(s) it be for myraid reasons all of which would be classified

Now take this one step further and the reason(s) aliens, if they exist would prefer not to be noticed or not to make contact would be beyond our human context.

The point is that we all lose objectivity the moment we say well [I] can't understand .. I can't understand why people believe in God. I can't understand why you like auto racing. I can't understand why you would want to play golf.

Perhaps we are an alien race's experiment and non-interference is a part of their agenda:D

Personal Best Regards:

[golfing eagles]

BBC - Future - The giant pyramid hidden inside a mountain (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160812-the-giant-pyramid-hidden-inside-a-mountain)

The largest pyramid in Mexico called the Pyramid of the Sun was once covered with trees and so forth:

Likely used as a religious and sacrificial center, the Pyramid of the Sun is the largest structure on the site and third largest pyramid in the world after Cholula near Puebla Mexico and Cheops in Egypt. When the site was rediscovered early in the 20th century, the pyramids appeared as hills of stone rubble with trees and plants growing up from the rocks. The temple atop the Pyramid of the Sun had long vanished from the towering structure.

Teotihuacan Pyramid of the Sun - Mexico Archeology (http://www.mexicoarcheology.com/teotihuacan-pyramid-of-the-sun/)

There are many many more hidden from us. The one in Bosnia will take many years.

Also in Teotihuacan, under the pyramid of the feathered serpent they found a pool of liquid mercury. This is unusual since mercury is toxic, and is not found in liquid form, it has to be refined from cinnabar. Mercury that is very cold and exposed to an electromagnetic field apparently has anti-gravity properties. There were also clay balls covered in iron pyrite. But the most interesting part is that the pyramid was built over a long time in 5 stages, but the oldest stage had the most sophisticated building techniques.

[ColdNoMore]

Once again Wikipedia becomes the main source for some people. Trust your eyes and instincts:

Bosnian Pyramids 2017 Update - Evidence of Advanced Ancient Human Civilization Lost High Technology - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6Jw0jz-AU)

Listen to the truth and to those who are hiding our human origins.

NOTE: Your Smithsonian link is 8 years old. Lots of happened since then. The pyramid at Bosnia is legit.

National Geographic on this supposed Bosnian Pyramid.

Pyramid in Bosnia -- Huge Hoax or Colossal Find? (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/pyramid-bosnia-1_2.html)

But a pantheon of archaeologists disagrees.

Prominent Bosnian archaeologists entered the scrum early on, denouncing the dig and lobbying to shut it down.

Anthony Harding, president of the Czech Republic-based European Association of Archaeologists, has dismissed Osmanagic's ideas as "wacky" and "absurd."

Garrett Fagan, of Pennsylvania State University in University Park, has slammed the project. He says that the dig will destroy bona fide archaeological sites in the area.

He recently told the London Times newspaper: "It's as if someone were given permission to bulldoze Stonehenge to find secret chambers of lost ancient wisdom underneath."

Experts shovel some of their scorn on the media, which have been trumpeting Osmanagic's astounding announcements in recent weeks.

Many news Web sites, including the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, MSNBC, and ABC, ran a credulous Associated Press story dated April 19 that carried the headline, "Experts Find Evidence of Bosnia Pyramid."

In response, the executive editor of New York-based Archaeology magazine, Mark Rose, blasted Osmanagic as a quack and the press as gullible.

[Lottoguy]

NatGeo as well as the Smithsonian are heavily influenced by our government. Control the media you control the people.

All I need to know is how OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD worked. A clever way for our government to control the media. Put those in high positions into the CIA payroll. Sounds crazy right? Nope it happened and still is. Why do you think Wikipedia is always on top when people search something like this for information?

Great example is when you Google "OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD" you will of course see Wikipedia. And once again that site will be your first choice. They will use the word "allegedly" in their description. Why would they use that word when it DID HAPPEN? I know now you know. Glad I can open they eyes of how the system really works.

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/o1607.pdf

The CIA and the Press: When the Washington Post Ran the CIA’s Propaganda Network (https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/30/the-cia-and-the-press-when-the-washington-post-ran-the-cias-propaganda-network/)

Carl Bernstein (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php)

[ColdNoMore]

NatGeo as well as the Smithsonian are heavily influenced by our government. Control the media you control the people.

All I need to know is how OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD worked. A clever way for our government to control the media. Put those in high positions into the CIA payroll. Sounds crazy right? Nope it happened and still is. Why do you think Wikipedia is always on top when people search something like this for information?

Great example is when you Google "OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD" you will of course see Wikipedia. They will use the word "allegedly" in their description. Why would they use that word when it DID HAPPEN? I know now you know. Glad I can open they eyes of how the system really works.

https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2016/o1607.pdf

The CIA and the Press: When the Washington Post Ran the CIA’s Propaganda Network (https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/30/the-cia-and-the-press-when-the-washington-post-ran-the-cias-propaganda-network/)

Carl Bernstein (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php)


Look, I get that there are things that governments keep secret, but this is waaaay too big to have been kept secret for so long, by so many different governments...if it were actually true that there is hard proof of alien visitation.

I mean cripes, we hear if a political figure...throws a temper tantrum. :oops:

The other thing I might point out is that you continually dismiss Wikipedia as ever being accurate...then provide a YouTube video to prove your point.

You do see the dichotomy there...right? :ohdear:

But hey, at least these grand conspiracy theories are a lot more entertaining, than the usual dog poop/pool encounters/bad restaurants/etc. threads. :thumbup:

[Lottoguy]

Youtube is good for a I CAN SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES source. If Donald Trump gives a speech and it's on Youtube does that mean it didn't happen? Did you see that word "allegedly" in Wikipedia's description of OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD? Why would they use that when it really did happen?

Operation Mockingbird, CIA Media Control Program - YouTube (https://youtu.be/cDCfTIapds0)

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Control of Mainstream Media - The Full Story - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZjxjlI4x8)

Check out Dr Steven Greer's "Unacknowledged".
The movie is an Expose of the world's greatest secret that we are not alone, we never were! The Deep Security State, the Secret Space
Program, UFOlogy, Disinformation Programs, ET Contact, and Ancient Alien Theory.

"Unacknowledged" 2017 Official Trailer - Dr Steven Greer's expose of the world's greatest secret! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cWJqsxp2wA)

[ColdNoMore]

Youtube is good for a I CAN SEE IT WITH MY OWN EYES source. If Donald Trump gives a speech and it's on Youtube does that mean it didn't happen? Did you see that word "allegedly" in Wikipedia's description of OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD? Why would they use that when it really did happen?

Operation Mockingbird, CIA Media Control Program - YouTube (https://youtu.be/cDCfTIapds0)

Operation Mockingbird: CIA Control of Mainstream Media - The Full Story - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZjxjlI4x8)

Check out Dr Steven Greer's "Unacknowledged".
The movie is an Expose of the world's greatest secret that we are not alone, we never were! The Deep Security State, the Secret Space
Program, UFOlogy, Disinformation Programs, ET Contact, and Ancient Alien Theory.

"Unacknowledged" 2017 Official Trailer - Dr Steven Greer's expose of the world's greatest secret! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cWJqsxp2wA)

Ummm, even before this day and age where just about anything can be digitally altered so that what you see is NOT what you think you saw...there were these folks called Magicians/Illusionists.

Magicians and Illusionists (History Makers (Lucent)): Adam Woog: 9781560065739: Amazon.com: Books (https://www.amazon.com/Magicians-Illusionists-History-Makers-Lucent/dp/1560065737)


Not to even mention (although I will :D), the fact that 'eyewitnesses' are notoriously unreliable.

Eyewitness Misidentification - Innocence Project (https://www.innocenceproject.org/causes/eyewitness-misidentification/)

Eyewitness misidentification is the greatest contributing factor to wrongful convictions proven by DNA testing, playing a role in more than 70% of convictions overturned through DNA testing nationwide.

Call me old-fashioned, but I will believe those articles by experts who provide proof/documentation/peer-review...over a homemade YouTube video. :shrug:

[Lottoguy]

Doesnt Fox, CNN, White House, ESPN have channels on YouTube? YouTube is NOT controlled by the government. It's for sharing by the people. For ten years 130,000 people worked on the Manhatten Ptoject. The government can keep a secret. Especially when you threaten people with losing their pensions, prison or even death threats. Check out what happened to James Forrestal our first Secretary of Defense.
The TOP SECRET Kennedy Forrestal UFO Connection - YouTube (https://youtu.be/Oan3ZOcwyW8)

[Lottoguy]

I only provide YouTube as a fast source to lead people on their road to discovering the truth. There are many other sources and links. It's up to each person if their interested in what I post look into further on their own. But, once you go down the rabbit hole there is no turning back.
I also have noted no discussion whatsoever on some links provided. Such as original Metcury 7 a stronaut Gordon Cooper talking about his encounter at an air base. A man who had the "right stuff". Or Dr Edgar Mitchell another astronaut who walked on the moon. Telling you about the cover-up of Roswell. Seems very selective in what people choose to discuss. And going blind and deaf with eye witness testimony. Or documents found via FOIA or in the Archives. What is their response? "They look fake."

[Arctic Fox]

...even before this day and age where just about anything can be digitally altered so that what you see is NOT what you think you saw...

Are you telling me that the magician's assistant hasn't really been cut in half on stage every night for the past twenty years, ColdNoMore?

Now I just don't know WHAT to believe!

[ColdNoMore]

Are you telling me that the magician's assistant hasn't really been cut in half on stage every night for the past twenty years, ColdNoMore?

Now I just don't know WHAT to believe!

Actually, that really does happen.

I saw a YouTube video saying so.




:D

[Lottoguy]

It all adds up and I have given you evidence of how the government controls these secrets. Plus two famous astronauts testimony about this subject. Here are some subject to look into: FORBIDDEN ARCHAEOLOGY, DISCLOSURE HEARINGS 2001 AND 2013, SIRUS THE DOCUMENTARY. THE BLACKVAULT WEB SITE and lastly the web site MAJESTICDOCUMENTS.

Warning: Once you go down this rabbit hole there is no turning back.

[Lottoguy]

Only one of many:

Don’t trust anything on Wikipedia | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/11/16/dont-trust-anything-on-wikipedia/)

[ColdNoMore]

Only one of many:

Don’t trust anything on Wikipedia | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/11/16/dont-trust-anything-on-wikipedia/)

New York Post

nypost.com - Real or Satire? (http://realorsatire.com/nypost-com/)

They are not above posting ClickBait-y articles, such as the Planet X Gonna Kill Us All nonsense, that had already been debunked.


That explains a lot. :popcorn:

[Lottoguy]

Maybe this will explain what I have already told everyone about National Geographic which is funded and controlled by the US government.

US investigates National Geographic over ‘corrupt payments’ to Egypt's keeper of antiquities | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-investigates-national-geographic-over-corrupt-payments-to-egypts-keeper-of-antiquities-8909454.html)

This is only one story of many.

[Lottoguy]

Michigan State University chimes in about Wikipedia: CIA enters articles into Wikipedia too!

CM: Can The Wikipedia Be Trusted? (https://msu.edu/user/webbsuza/atw/lawrenceh/index.html)

Program shows CIA behind Wikipedia entries - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-08-16/program-shows-cia-behind-wikipedia-entries/642224)

Welcome to the rabbit hole........

[ColdNoMore]

Here'''s Why People Believe In Conspiracy Theories | Time.com (http://time.com/3997033/conspiracy-theories/)


Here's Why People Believe In Conspiracy Theories


UFO sightings. Hoaxed moon landings. Reptiles who rule the world.

What, in the name of our alleged lizard overlords, convinces a person to believe in conspiracy theories?

According to a pair of new studies published in the journal Applied Cognitive Psychology, conspiracy theorists—and there are a lot more of them than you may think—tend to have one thing in common: they feel a lack of control over their lives.

Jan-Willem van Prooijen, associate professor in social and organizational psychology at VU University Amsterdam, has been studying conspiracy theories and those who believe them for six years. "When I started this research, one of the things that I really found astonishing was how many people believe in certain conspiracy theories," he says.

Conspiracy theories often crop up during times of uncertainty and fear: after terrorist strikes, financial crises, high-profile deaths and natural disasters. Past research suggests that if people feel they don’t have control over a situation, they’ll try to make sense of it and find out what happened.

“The sense-making leads them to connect dots that aren’t necessarily connected in reality,” van Prooijen says.


:shrug:

[Lottoguy]

It's always interesting to note how people react with knowledge they cannot handle. This is a perfect example of what they always do. They will change the subject, in this case fake moon landing or reptiles ruling the world. This gives them comfort because now when confronted they have a soft pillow to rest their worried head on. Should also note the term "conspiracy theory" was a term coined by the CIA as a derogatory term to those people who were challenging the findings of the Warren Report in 1967.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/24/the-term-conspiracy-theory-was-invented-by-the-cia-in-order-to-prevent-disbelief-of-official-government-stories/)

[Lottoguy]

People call them conspiracy theorists, I call them critical thinkers.

[Arctic Fox]

It's always interesting to note how people react with knowledge they cannot handle. This is a perfect example of what they always do. They will change the subject, in this case fake moon landing or reptiles ruling the world.

With respect, what started (by you) as a thread about pyramids was quickly changed (by you) to one about UFOs being struck by lightning. One must assume, therefore, that you can no longer handle the pyramids issue. Time to bring on the megalomaniac reptiles, I say!

[ColdNoMore]

It's always interesting to note how people react with knowledge they cannot handle. This is a perfect example of what they always do. They will change the subject, in this case fake moon landing or reptiles ruling the world. This gives them comfort because now when confronted they have a soft pillow to rest their worried head on. Should also note the term "conspiracy theory" was a term coined by the CIA as a derogatory term to those people who were challenging the findings of the Warren Report in 1967.

The Term “Conspiracy Theory” Was Invented by the CIA In Order To Prevent Disbelief of Official Government Stories - PaulCraigRoberts.org (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/24/the-term-conspiracy-theory-was-invented-by-the-cia-in-order-to-prevent-disbelief-of-official-government-stories/)

Umm, wrong again my friend.

What is the origin of the term conspiracy theorist? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-term-conspiracy-theorist)

Click the link in the article and you can clearly see that it was a term used at least as far back as 1870 (page 141).

And I'm betting...probably long before then.

Another thing I've noticed, is that while you eschew anything having to do with Wiki (even when their citations are listed at the bottom), you seem to wholeheartedly embrace articles from known alt-right/wingnut conspiracy sites, of which some are actually Russian owned or directed (Zero-Hedge/The Independent/Etc).

Not to mention the homemade YouTube videos. :oops:

So what's up with that? :confused:

But hey, like I said previously, it's still more interesting than the usual boring fare here of late...so keep it coming. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

With respect, what started (by you) as a thread about pyramids was quickly changed (by you) to one about UFOs being struck by lightning. One must assume, therefore, that you can no longer handle the pyramids issue. Time to bring on the megalomaniac reptiles, I say!
Oh c'mon, be serious.

Everyone knows that the pyramids were built by aliens, who were actually just CIA agents teleported to the past, using gas-powered heavy equipment with carburetors that got 100 miles to the gallon, for the sole reason to distract that it was a little old Babushka lady on the grassy knoll...that assassinated Kennedy.

I saw it all with my own eyes on YouTube...so there. :D

[Lottoguy]

I can handle all issues. These are all interconnected with each other. But, why not respond to the evidence when I post them? Instead you post something about reptile aliens and so forth?
There was a study in the Journal of Risk Research that said facts aren’t likely to sway people towards one viewpoint or another — instead, we humans go with our gut and rationalize around contradictory evidence. Have seen it time and again. Just a review of all the posts done since the beginning will prove my point.

[ColdNoMore]

I can handle all issues. These are all interconnected with each other. But, why not respond to the evidence when I post them? Instead you post something about reptile aliens and so forth?
There was a study in the Journal of Risk Research that said facts aren’t likely to sway people towards one viewpoint or another — instead, we humans go with our gut and rationalize around contradictory evidence. Have seen it time and again. Just a review of all the posts done since the beginning will prove my point.

On that...we agree. :thumbup:

[Lottoguy]

Why do you think there were no comments about Gordon Cooper's testimony? Were they missed or did this new knowledge effect their beliefs? Just wondering....

[ColdNoMore]

Why do you think there were no comments about Gordon Cooper's testimony? Were they missed or did this new knowledge effect their beliefs? Just wondering....

Umm, which post had that link in it?

I'm getting confused with all of the hopscotching...between conspiracy theories. :oops:

You said earlier that you don't believe that 9/11 was an inside job by our own government, yet there a plethora of supposed sites (not to mention YouTube videos :D)....proffering an almost infinite amount of supposed 'proof' that it was.

Why is it that you believe all of these others (with far less documentation)...but not that one? :confused:

[Lottoguy]

I don't put much into the 9/11 conspiracy theory. The only one that ever got me to thinking is why we never saw any video footage from the CCTV cameras on top of the Pentagon.

Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc)

Edgar Mitchell on UFOs at Press Conference - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO66afmxWKA)

These are only two. There are more much more.

[ColdNoMore]

I don't put much into the 9/11 conspiracy theory. The only one that ever got me to thinking is why we never saw any video footage from the CCTV cameras on top of the Pentagon.

Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc)

Edgar Mitchell on UFOs at Press Conference - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO66afmxWKA)

These are only two. There are more much more.

OK, so you're at least selective in which conspiracy theories you buy into. :D

As for Cooper, I'm sure he believes what he thinks he saw.

Go back to my link regarding 'eyewitnesses' though.

Once again, I'm NOT saying that we haven't been visited by other life forms...I just want to see some actual proof.

And please, if you really think that all the governments on this rock could keep a secret that big if they had actual proof...then all I can do is shake my head.

You do have one thing going for you however, in that I'm inclined to believe that at least one alien has become a public figure...that being Mulder on the X-Files.

I mean really, although both were not married or even had significant others and they shared so many experiences...it took Mulder forever to make even a pass at Scully?

There just has to be some alien DNA in that kind of discipline. :1rotfl:

[Lottoguy]

"what he thinks he saw?" That is funny. Here is a man who was a fighter pilot in the war. With countless hours flying planes. Then gets selected to be in the Mercury 7 astronaut program. With extensive testing (see the movie "The Right Stuff) on their bodies as well as their minds. And you say HE THINKS HE SAW SOMETHING?

Also the program to build the atomic bomb employed 130,000 people. They sure did a good job keeping that a secret. So there goes your theory our government can't keep a secret. Which is easy to do when you threaten people and their families.

[ColdNoMore]

"what he thinks he saw?" That is funny. Here is a man who was a fighter pilot in the war. With countless hours flying planes. Then gets selected to be in the Mercury 7 astronaut program. With extensive testing (see the movie "The Right Stuff) on their bodies as well as their minds. And you say HE THINKS HE SAW SOMETHING?

Also the program to build the atomic bomb employed 130,000 people. They sure did a good job keeping that a secret. So there goes your theory our government can't keep a secret. Which is easy to do when you threaten people and their families.

So you really believe that all 125,000+ people involved with the Manhattan Project and the plethora of small components/research involved...all knew the big picture and that they were working on a nuclear bomb? :oops:


You've just explained a lot...thanks. :thumbup:

[Lottoguy]

Exactly, that is how you keep a secret. It's called compartmentalization, and the government and the military have been doing it for years. The term "need to know" is heard all the time when your working on classified information. While in the US Navy I held a top secret cryptographic clearance. But, my clearance would not get me past the reactor doors to a US Navy nuclear submarine. I didn't have the need to know. Likewise for those assigned to a submarine. They could not get into my building where I worked.
This is how they keep a secret, many know something but the don't know the entire picture. The system works very well.

[Carl in Tampa]

This has been a fun thread to read. It's an interesting contrast between true believers and non-believers.

I find it strange that all the advocates of a belief in alien intervention in human history never seem to contemplate God's intervention in human history in the person of Jesus of Nazareth.

Yes, Jesus, the itinerant Jewish Rabbi, whose followers attested that he performed many miracles of healing, recalled Lazarus from the dead, and who changed Saul of Tarsus, an enemy of Christians, into Paul the Evangelist, who became the principal organizer of Christianity into a coherent presentation.

We also know that Old Testament writers predicted the place and manner of Jesus' birth centuries before it occurred. There are many wonders and mysteries presented in the Bible, the greatest being that Jesus rose from the dead. Wrap your head around that.

And, of course in the Christian theology, those who accept Jesus' death as a payment for their sins become Christians and live transformed lives. Now, you've seen a miracle.

Instead of wondering whether or not aliens will ever visit the Earth again, I look forward to Jesus' return and the Rapture of His Church.

Mysteries abound.

[Taltarzac725]

Exactly, that is how you keep a secret. It's called compartmentalization, and the government and the military have been doing it for years. The term "need to know" is heard all the time when your working on classified information. While in the US Navy I held a top secret cryptographic clearance. But, my clearance would not get me past the reactor doors to a US Navy nuclear submarine. I didn't have the need to know. Likewise for those assigned to a submarine. They could not get into my building where I worked.
This is how they keep a secret, many know something but the don't know the entire picture. The system works very well.

Above your pay grade is thrown around a lot too. Still it is hard to get from UFOs checking out what we might be doing down here with advanced technology for us and who built the pyramids and why. I think it has more to do with the complete disrespect many ancient people had for the lives of anyone they saw as inferior or those captured in warfare. They would have no conscience in killing tens of thousands to get those monuments made. Not sure how that works with moving such massive blocks though.

[Lottoguy]

Isn't interesting that when people say they believe in angels nobody gives it a second thought. But, if you say you believe in the ancient alien theory your looked at in a different way? Coming up DEATH BED CONFESSIONS.

PS I do believe in God and he has a big play in all of this.

[Lottoguy]

The subject of forbidden archaeology is one that I also have an interest in. This just happened this week.

7500 year old Toy Car made of Stone found in Eastern Turkey - Archeology (https://www.booksfact.com/archeology/7500-year-old-toy-car-stone-found-in-eastern-turkey.html)
7,500 Year Old Toy Tractor Found In Turkey? - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9d_s_UZGfw)

If this is indeed true it would mean the wheel came about 4,500 years earlier.