POA Bulletin

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The POA Bulletin carried two articles of interest on page 1,2,4,16.

On page one the POA made reference to a June 20 article carried by the Daily Sun pertaining to the Developer (The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc.) maintaining ratios with amenities resulting from its continuing expansion.

As I recalled the Daily Sun in an article expanding on information of the addition of Fenny, Southern Oaks, etc indicated that upon completion it would comprise population wise 1/3 of The Villages. None of the forementioned articles reference this %

A village resident Mike Burns made an inquiry as to the concern for overcrowding. And the POA responded making reference to the Developer's attention of a homes to facility ratio. essentially then it appeared as if the issue of overcrowding was asked and answered.

However my question is what number was used to determine this ratio? An amenity is charged to every household . Is 1.8 average used per household perhaps 2.0? Do these numbers accurately reflect the reality and the actual use of facilities by residents, renters and guests?
My only point is the ratio developed by the Developer could be faulty??

The second article had to do with water conservation. Again averages are based on a head count. so that a one person home average use is overstated and a 3 person home perhaps understated?

the explanation for the 10% surcharge was wanting. One of the responses was the one thing they the utility could not control was consumer use. Yet in that same article Janet Tutt side stepped the bottling company issue. if water conservation is such an concern then the impact statement long ago would have prevented the Developer from continuing expansion

Once again i am left with more questions than answers????

[graciegirl]

The POA Bulletin carried two articles of interest on page 1,2,4,16.

On page one the POA made reference to a June 20 article carried by the Daily Sun pertaining to the Developer (The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc.) maintaining ratios with amenities resulting from its continuing expansion.

As I recalled the Daily Sun in an article expanding on information of the addition of Fenny, Southern Oaks, etc indicated that upon completion it would comprise population wise 1/3 of The Villages.

A village resident Mike Burns made an inquiry as to the concern for overcrowding. And the POA responded making reference to the Developer's attention of a homes to facility ratio. essentially then it appeared as if the issue of overcrowding was asked and answered.

However my question is what number was used to determine this ratio? An amenity is charged to every household . Is 1.8 average used per household perhaps 2.0? Do these numbers accurately reflect the reality?
How many users of facilities are there when a house is rented? 2, 4, 6, 10, 12....... My only point is the ratio developed by the Developer could be faulty??

The second article had to do with water conservation. Again averages are based on a head count. so that a one person home average use is overstated and a 3 person home perhaps understated?

the explanation for the 10% surcharge One of the responses was the one thing they the utility could not control was consumer use. Yet in that same article Janet Tutt side stepped the bottling company issue. if water conservation is such an concern then the impact statement long ago would have prevented the Developer from continuing expansion

Once again i am left with more questions than answers????


The POA bulletin has improved since the forever president stepped down but still isn't where I look for information.

[Bogie Shooter]

one should keep an open mind and get both sides of the coin.:ho:

[Madelaine Amee]

one should keep an open mind and get both sides of the coin.:ho:

......... and I do just that. Read the Daily Sun and the POA paper. Good to have both.

[PennBF]

I view the major problem with the Villages is there is no real check and balance. You have a Janet Tutt making the call and she is an agent of the Developer. Whether or not you like or dislike the Villages it stands there is no check and balance and therefore the Developer has total control.
If you were involved with Condo's in Florida you would see there are a number of controls which don't exist in the type of Government that wields controls over the rules governing the Villages. An excellent example is the Amenities and who controls them, who is the auditor to ensure fair treatment, where do the excess revenues go, and many etc. :ohdear:

[rubicon]

one should keep an open mind and get both sides of the coin.:ho:

but my observation is that residents only get one side of the coin always have and always will unless and until something drastically changes.

Where can we go for objective information in this community that isn't owned or owing to the Developer? Sumter One survived repeal for a reason....just saying

Mine is an observation and not a judgment or complaint

[Bogie Shooter]

I view the major problem with the Villages is there is no real check and balance. You have a Janet Tutt making the call and she is an agent of the Developer. Whether or not you like or dislike the Villages it stands there is no check and balance and therefore the Developer has total control.
If you were involved with Condo's in Florida you would see there are a number of controls which don't exist in the type of Government that wields controls over the rules governing the Villages. An excellent example is the Amenities and who controls them, who is the auditor to ensure fair treatment, where do the excess revenues go, and many etc. :ohdear:

Major problem?
I have read about some of those Condo's in Florida.....I would not want any part of them.

[ColdNoMore]

......... and I do just that. Read the Daily Sun and the POA paper. Good to have both.

I like The Sun's sports section.


The rest?


Meh. :shrug:

[Jdmiata]

Where can we go for objective information in this community that isn't owned or owing to the Developer?
Answer.....the POA

[ColdNoMore]

Where can we go for objective information in this community that isn't owned or owing to the Developer?
Answer.....the POA

YEP! :thumbup:

[Mleeja]

YEP! :thumbup:

Where can we go for objective information in this community that isn't owned or owing to the Developer?
Answer.....the POA

Nope, not the POA. They are biased against the the developers and they are going to spin the facts to meet their narrative.

One has to read all available sources, and then they can form an opinion. Using only one source leaves you open to the source's biases.

[ColdNoMore]

Nope, not the POA. They are biased against the the developers and they are going to spin the facts to meet their narrative.
LOL :1rotfl:

As if The Sun doesn't "spin the facts" so as to always put the developer in a positive light...and meet their own "narrative?" :oops:

Not that I begrudge them for doing so, given that it is wholly owned, directed and run by the developer...primarily to advertise their homes for sale.

Sorry, but I prefer to have a source that is solely dedicated to looking after the best interests of us residents...not a glorified sales brochure masquerading as a newspaper. :shrug:



One has to read all available sources, and then they can form an opinion. Using only one source leaves you open to the source's biases.

I agree that multiple sources are needed to divine the 'truth.'

When was the last time you read an article in The Sun...that even hinted at a criticism of the developer? :popcorn:

Off the top of my head, I can't recall a single one in the last 6 years. :shrug:

That IS NOT 'news' by any definition...it's simply propaganda.

And once again, they are entitled to such...since they own it. Just don't confuse it with serious journalism.

Even so, I will continue to subscribe to the paper, pull the sports section and first page out...then put the rest of it in the recycle bag. :ho:

[graciegirl]

LOL :1rotfl:

As if The Sun doesn't "spin the facts" so as to always put the developer in a positive light...and meet their own "narrative?" :oops:

Not that I begrudge them for doing so, given that it is wholly owned, directed and run by the developer...primarily to advertise their homes for sale.

Sorry, but I prefer to have a source that is solely dedicated to looking after the best interests of us residents...not a glorified sales brochure masquerading as a newspaper. :shrug:





I agree that multiple sources are needed to divine the 'truth.'

When was the last time you read an article in The Sun...that even hinted at a criticism of the developer? :popcorn:

Off the top of my head, I can't recall a single one in the last 6 years. :shrug:

That IS NOT 'news' by any definition...it's simply propaganda.

And once again, they are entitled to such...since they own it. Just don't confuse it with serious journalism.

Even so, I will continue to subscribe to the paper, pull the sports section and first page out...then put the rest of it in the recycle bag. :ho:

Now that is an issue not limited to the Sun. Some say that all major networks show bias.

One has to carefully research sources and motives of any organization in order to be well informed.

Me and my house, We like The Daily Sun.:pray:

[rubicon]

Nope, not the POA. They are biased against the the developers and they are going to spin the facts to meet their narrative.

One has to read all available sources, and then they can form an opinion. Using only one source leaves you open to the source's biases.

While I am not enamored by the POA I can tell you unequivocally that they are not biased against the Developer. if you review their long history they have made every attempt to work with the Developer in a desire to provide relief to residents. Any resident believing that the POA does not have a genuine interest in working on behalf of residents is mistaken

My criticism of the POA is that their ability to do anything is very limited either by design of our goverment or unwillingness to be more risk takers.

The TVHOA was financed by the Developer specifically to compete with the POA. If the Developer were 12th Century England and the POA Scotland then the HOA was designed to be the equivalent of droit du seigneur:D Sorry couldn't help myself.

In some respects the philosophy of all that is owned or controlled by the Developer fits the profile of a nursing home where that generations music is blasted throughout the facility and the news is always sanitized so as not to upset its residents most of whom lean toward and prefer nostalgia...to wit the Daily Sun

[kansasr]

While I am not enamored by the POA I can tell you unequivocally that they are not biased against the Developer. if you review their long history they have made every attempt to work with the Developer in a desire to provide relief to residents. Any resident believing that the POA does not have a genuine interest in working on behalf of residents is mistaken

My criticism of the POA is that their ability to do anything is very limited either by design of our goverment or unwillingness to be more risk takers.

The TVHOA was financed by the Developer specifically to compete with the POA. If the Developer were 12th Century England and the POA Scotland then the HOA was designed to be the equivalent of droit du seigneur:D Sorry couldn't help myself.

In some respects the philosophy of all that is owned or controlled by the Developer fits the profile of a nursing home where that generations music is blasted throughout the facility and the news is always sanitized so as not to upset its residents most of whom lean toward and prefer nostalgia...to wit the Daily Sun

The HOA doesn't even own the trademark to their own logo - it's owned by the developer.

[Mleeja]

Well, I guess if I had an issue where I was looking or assistance, the POA would not be my first call. This is just my personal opinion. I would prefer working with an organization that will get their calls answered. Others will disagree, but that is fine.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I have found that many people, in moving to TV, simply don't want to be bothered with facts.
They don't care how their money is spent. They don't care how things are run.
They just want to live their carefree, Disneyland lifestyle without any annoyances.

They really don't want to be bothered.
They would be very content to not hear or know details regarding anything that might make them think.
Of course many of them are the first ones to complain, as well.
But then there are those who think the developer poops Dixie Cups and can do no wrong.

Oh, well . . .

[rubicon]

I have found that many people, in moving to TV, simply don't want to be bothered with facts.
They don't care how their money is spent. They don't care how things are run.
They just want to live their carefree, Disneyland lifestyle without any annoyances.

They really don't want to be bothered.
They would be very content to not hear or know details regarding anything that might make them think.
Of course many of them are the first ones to complain, as well.
But then there are those who think the developer poops Dixie Cups and can do no wrong.

Oh, well . . .

Mrs. Robinson:

you are spot on. Many years back I wrote on these pages that generally speaking there are three types here. Those that are enamored with the Developer, those who view the Developer as a business entity and those who said they were retired and meant it in every aspect possible.

[rubicon]

Well, I guess if I had an issue where I was looking or assistance, the POA would not be my first call. This is just my personal opinion. I would prefer working with an organization that will get their calls answered. Others will disagree, but that is fine.

Mleeaja :

And you would be right but short of continuing lawsuits there is not much the POA can do. Even the Amenities Advisory Board has at least two people who are support by the Developer.

I could extrapolate more but to what avail?

[Wiotte]

Mrs. Robinson:



you are spot on. Many years back I wrote on these pages that generally speaking there are three types here. Those that are enamored with the Developer, those who view the Developer as a business entity and those who said they were retired and meant it in every aspect possible.



I am the third. Just keep this well oiled machine running, clean and I'll continue to pay my dues here. How they do it, why they do it I don't care. At the end of the day I'm happy.


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[rubicon]

I am the third. Just keep this well oiled machine running, clean and I'll continue to pay my dues here. How they do it, why they do it I don't care. At the end of the day I'm happy.


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and I sincerely wish you and yours every happiness

[graciegirl]

Mleeaja :

And you would be right but short of continuing lawsuits there is not much the POA can do. Even the Amenities Advisory Board has at least two people who are support by the Developer.

I could extrapolate more but to what avail?

On the issue of lawsuits, neither side is supposed to speak of it, sort of a gag order as I understand it. I just wonder why the POA individuals didn't give their own lawsuit winnings above the cost of the suit to the POA but rather kept them for themselves and it was a LOT of money. The lawsuit brought by the POA last year was lost and the very large court costs are paid for by who????

I remember reading the POA bulletin for years when to me it was very poorly written and showed a transparent dislike of the Morse organization. I would have supported another organization that did not appear to "have it in" for the developer. I still wish another would form because I think there are still people who used to run the POA in the background somewhat directing things. I think the new officers appear to be better writers and more business like. I still would like a new group entirely.

There are many who do not like the Morse family because they are jealous of their wealth and because of their political leanings and that colors their attitude toward an organization that in my opinion does a very good job running an increasingly larger and more complex community. I do not mind their wealth or their political leanings which of course colors my opinion. That said, a separate organization to see that things are run correctly and fairly and to be a watchdog for all happenings would be a good thing. A separate organization not supported in any way by outside businesses in competition with The Villages would suit me.

Florida is now the third most populous state in the U.S. and with approximately 50,000 baby boomers retiring every day for the next eighteen years it will continue to attract more and more people. There will be many retirees coming to this area and I would rather they live here rather than have a lot of growth all around us by developers with not as much money, skill, and acumen and the greater possibility of failure.

[PennBF]

It is unfortunate that some don't have real good judgement and tend to fire from the hip. A question raised was why The POA "Suit" risk takers did not give the personal awards to the "POA Organization". I think the answer is (1) They invested their own funds to support the residents, (2) They spent hundreds of hours fighting for the residents in addition to their own money which they risked on behalf of the residents, (3) In the end they won $40,000,000.00 for the residents and (4) The Judge ordered they be repaid for their investment, time and risk. It is outrages that some would deny them repayment for their cost in money and time in order to honor the person who caused the lawsuit and lost. ALSO they did not request the money THE JUDGE ORDERED THEIR RECOVERY!!! To attack the POA Board is like saying why punish hero's..Wow hard to ever think about? Was it poor judgement that caused the suit or was it greed. I am not smart enough to decide which is right..As the great sportscaster said.."you make the call".:ohdear:

[graciegirl]

It is unfortunate that some don't have real good judgement and tend to fire from the hip. A question raised was why The POA "Suit" risk takers did not give the personal awards to the "POA Organization". I think the answer is (1) They invested their own funds to support the residents, (2) They spent hundreds of hours fighting for the residents in addition to their own money which they risked on behalf of the residents, (3) In the end they won $40,000,000.00 for the residents and (4) The Judge ordered they be repaid for their investment, time and risk. It is outrages that some would deny them repayment for their cost in money and time in order to honor the person who caused the lawsuit and lost. ALSO they did not request the money THE JUDGE ORDERED THEIR RECOVERY!!! To attack the POA Board is like saying why punish hero's..Wow hard to ever think about? Was it poor judgement that caused the suit or was it greed. I am not smart enough to decide which is
right..As the great sportscaster said.."you make the call".:ohdear:

Uh huh.

[Mleeja]

It is unfortunate that some don't have real good judgement and tend to fire from the hip. A question raised was why The POA "Suit" risk takers did not give the personal awards to the "POA Organization". I think the answer is (1) They invested their own funds to support the residents, (2) They spent hundreds of hours fighting for the residents in addition to their own money which they risked on behalf of the residents, (3) In the end they won $40,000,000.00 for the residents and (4) The Judge ordered they be repaid for their investment, time and risk. It is outrages that some would deny them repayment for their cost in money and time in order to honor the person who caused the lawsuit and lost. ALSO they did not request the money THE JUDGE ORDERED THEIR RECOVERY!!! To attack the POA Board is like saying why punish hero's..Wow hard to ever think about? Was it poor judgement that caused the suit or was it greed. I am not smart enough to decide which is right..As the great sportscaster said.."you make the call".:ohdear:

The 6 that received $50,000 profited from the lawsuit. The lawyer fees were paid by the settlement. What other cost did they have which warranted such a large fee to them? Just like other class action lawsuits, there are only a few who profit.

[PennBF]

It is outrages to deny these 6 their due. I might have missed it but I did not see any others step in and fight for the ones being neglected. I did not see anyone say "wait I want to help with my money and take the risk I many not succeed in getting these residents their due or my money back?" Even as outrages is that some would not only deny these "Hero's" their just due but to take a swing at those who gave of their time and resources and efforts for others. It is always easier to let the other guy do it and then step in and be a critic. I always said you can find a critic on every corner but it is hard to find a good positive and constructive person cheering the "Hero's" on.:mornincoffee:

[graciegirl]

It is outrages to deny these 6 their due. I might have missed it but I did not see any others step in and fight for the ones being neglected. I did not see anyone say "wait I want to help with my money and take the risk I many not succeed in getting these residents their due or my money back?" Even as outrages is that some would not only deny these "Hero's" their just due but to take a swing at those who gave of their time and resources and efforts for others. It is always easier to let the other guy do it and then step in and be a critic. I always said you can find a critic on every corner but it is hard to find a good positive and constructive person cheering the "Hero's" on.:mornincoffee:

Words like Outrageous. Hero's. (Or Heroines) It is all how you look at it. What the goal was. Who stands to gain and who stands to lose. Who is friends with who. What the lobbies are if any.

I myself who so enjoy the pristine condition of this place owned here when the suit was brought. I didn't see anything amiss and have never seen anything about the common areas and the buildings we all use not being maintained. A fence is broken along the cart path, in a few days it is repaired. Vandals break the letters on the big Villages sign on 466, in a few days it is fixed. Where I live now and where I lived then both Odell center and Laurel Manor are cleaned and maintained and painted on a regular basis. I, me, Grace Gantner never saw any mold or lack of maintenance of Village properties.

So that is my view. I just don't understand why anyone needed to force The Morses to maintain and keep things nice. I also have heard that Lake County has never been as hospitable to The Villages as Sumter. Apparently many in Lake County didn't like The Villages and all it's growth?? Wasn't the suit in Lake County?

I see the developer buying and removing and replacing old structures in the old areas, and not taking the profit that could be made. Taking profit but not greedy. I have to guess that there is some pride by the Morses in this place that their family has created and I don't see why this lawsuit was brought. That is just me. At the very least, it would make good business sense to maintain things and to continue to keep The Villages attractive and sellable.

I do know that many outside realtors do not like that they cannot sell new homes in The Villages. Many facilties that think there is too much competition with new businesses coming in that the developer might have been seen to favor.
Businesses that may have thought to always maintain their monopolies. Just sayin'. There are many agendas in this naked villages.

[Bogie Shooter]

I have found that many people, in moving to TV, simply don't want to be bothered with facts.
They don't care how their money is spent. They don't care how things are run.
They just want to live their carefree, Disneyland lifestyle without any annoyances.

They really don't want to be bothered.
They would be very content to not hear or know details regarding anything that might make them think.
Of course many of them are the first ones to complain, as well.
But then there are those who think the developer poops Dixie Cups and can do no wrong.

Oh, well . . .
Now, that is a new one to me. Is this done standing up?

[Mrs. Robinson]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Robinson View Post
I have found that many people, in moving to TV, simply don't want to be bothered with facts.
They don't care how their money is spent. They don't care how things are run.
They just want to live their carefree, Disneyland lifestyle without any annoyances.

They really don't want to be bothered.
They would be very content to not hear or know details regarding anything that might make them think.
Of course many of them are the first ones to complain, as well.
But then there are those who think the developer poops Dixie Cups and can do no wrong.

Oh, well . . .

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Now, that is a new one to me. Is this done standing up?

No. Actually, I was lying down.
I think I was having a nightmare.