The Roswell UFO Crash - The Ramey Memo

[Lottoguy]

70 years ago today General Ramey started the coverup at Roswell.

The Ramey Memo: Best Roswell Cover-Up Evidence ever Found - YouTube (https://youtu.be/z8VQwxF8gRQ)

[Chi-Town]

The History Channel had a special last night.

UFO Conspiracy: Hunt for the Truth....available online.

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[Lottoguy]

Yes, I saw it when I recorded it. It was very good. I also saw the Ancient Aliens show last night was about MJ-12. Which is long over due. I was aware of all those documents 7 years ago. I'm very surprised it took them this long to feature this on their show. They left out the part of the visitation log at the White House. There is a document showing the date one of the MJ-12 members was to be present at the White house for a briefing on this subject. When they checked the log book his name was there. It was also the ONLY time he ever entered the White House and never went back. Lots of people have dedicated their life to investigating the Majestic Twelve documents.

[ColdNoMore]

Yes, I saw it when I recorded it. It was very good. I also saw the Ancient Aliens show last night was about MJ-12. Which is long over due. I was aware of all those documents 7 years ago. I'm very surprised it took them this long to feature this on their show. They left out the part of the visitation log at the White House. There is a document showing the date one of the MJ-12 members was to be present at the White house for a briefing on this subject. When they checked the log book his name was there. It was also the ONLY time he ever entered the White House and never went back. Lots of people have dedicated their life to investigating the Majestic Twelve documents.


Majestic 12 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12)


The concept of "Majestic Twelve" emerged during a period in the 1980s when ufologists believed there had been a cover-up of the Roswell UFO incident and speculated some secretive upper tier of the United States government was responsible.[3] Their suppositions appeared to be confirmed in 1984 when ufologist Jaime Shandera received an envelope containing film which, when developed, showed images of eight pages of documents that appeared to be briefing papers describing "Operation Majestic Twelve".[3] The documents purported to reveal a secret committee of twelve, supposedly authorized by United States President Harry S. Truman in 1952, and explain how the crash of an alien spacecraft at Roswell in 1947 had been concealed, how the recovered alien technology could be exploited, and how the United States should engage with extraterrestrial life in the future.[3][4]

Shandera and his ufologist colleagues Stanton T. Friedman and Bill Moore say they later received a series of anonymous messages that led them to find what has been called the "Cutler/Twining memo" in 1985 while searching declassified files in the National Archives. Purporting to be written by General Nathan F. Twining to President Eisenhower's assistant Robert Cutler and containing a reference to Majestic 12, the memo is widely held to be a forgery, likely planted as part of a hoax.[5] Historian Robert Goldberg wrote that the ufologists came to believe the story despite the documents being "obviously planted to bolster the legitimacy of the briefing papers".[3]


Make sure you check the actual citations at the bottom.

:popcorn:

[Lottoguy]

Think of Wikipedia as a witness in court. Once they are caught lying when asked a question the rest of what comes out of their mouth is suspect. They have been discredited and no longer considered trustworthy as a witness.

An interesting case is that of the well known scientist named Boyd Bushman. He held many patents in aerospace. One of which was the stinger missile. Before he died he did a video with an investigator. He talked about how they did reverse engineering on alien technology. Once he went public with this Wikipedia completely changed their bio on him. Completely ignoring all of his accomplishments. They attacked his as a faker and a fraud. Even thou many knew he worked in that industry. See below for what they know say about Boyd Bushman.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boyd Bushman - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Boyd_Bushman)

[ColdNoMore]

Think of Wikipedia as a witness in court. Once they are caught lying when asked a question the rest of what comes out of their mouth is suspect. They have been discredited and no longer considered trustworthy as a witness.

An interesting case is that of the well known scientist named Boyd Bushman. He held many patents in aerospace. One of which was the stinger missile. Before he died he did a video with an investigator. He talked about how they did reverse engineering on alien technology. Once he went public with this Wikipedia completely changed their bio on him. Completely ignoring all of his accomplishments. They attacked his as a faker and a fraud. Even thou many knew he worked in that industry. See below for what they know say about Boyd Bushman.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boyd Bushman - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Boyd_Bushman)

Sorry pardner...but that dog won't hunt.

Just because a minuscule portion of something may be proved untrue...does not equate to its entirety being untrue.

That's called a 'logical fallacy'...go look it up. :popcorn:

In fact, I'm surprised you would even try to use it given that many purported sightings of supposed 'alien crafts' have unequivocally been proved to be false, so by your own assertion...that would mean ALL UFO/Alien Craft sightings are false. :oops:

Or is that what you're really trying to say? :D

[Chi-Town]

70 years ago

.https://www.wired.com/2010/07/0708army-announces-roswell-new-mexico-ufo-sighting/

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[Lottoguy]

And to think Jesse Marsell the intelligence officer wouldn't know what pieces of rubber and wood looks like? The confessions of those who lived in Roswell are all compelling.

[Lottoguy]

Still no comments on the Ramey Memo yet.

[Taltarzac725]

Boyd Bushman Makes Deathbed Confession About Aliens (http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/bushman.asp)

This might be of interest.

[ColdNoMore]

Boyd Bushman Makes Deathbed Confession About Aliens (http://www.snopes.com/photos/odd/bushman.asp)

This might be of interest.

Per your link.

Former Lockheed Martin engineer Boyd Bushman provided evidence of human contact with alien life before his death in August 2014.

FALSE

:popcorn:

[Lottoguy]

Of course you relied on Wikipedia again. I rest my case. Too bad more people don't research better.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Wikipedia 'shows CIA page edits' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm)

CIA and Vatican edit Wikipedia entries - Breaking - Technology - smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/CIA-and-Vatican-edit-Wikipedia-entries/2007/08/18/1186857828993.html)

https://www.wired.com/2007/08/wiki-tracker/

[ColdNoMore]

Of course you relied on Wikipedia again. I rest my case. Too bad more people don't research better.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Wikipedia 'shows CIA page edits' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6947532.stm)

CIA and Vatican edit Wikipedia entries - Breaking - Technology - smh.com.au (http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/CIA-and-Vatican-edit-Wikipedia-entries/2007/08/18/1186857828993.html)

https://www.wired.com/2007/08/wiki-tracker/

For claiming to have such an 'open mind,' you really should click a link other than your own...once in a while.

Taltarzac's link was from Snopes. :oops:

[Moderator]

Please discuss the original topic...Roswell UFO Crash.

The discussion has sidetracked into a debate on the credibility of information sources. If it can't get back on topic, the thread will be closed.

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[tuccillo]

One problem I see with all of these stories is that the distances involved make alien visitations very unlikely. The closest star, and there is no guarantee that even the closest star contains planets that support not only life but also an advanced civilization, is about 4 light years away. The vastness and distances within just the Milky Way Galaxy, one of just 100 billion known galaxies, is almost unimaginable. The level of technology required to obtain velocities that are even a small percentage of the speed of light is significant and I doubt it is going to be encapsulated in a metallic flying disk. I don't think anyone has any idea how such technology will ultimately manifest itself (yes, there are lots of ideas on how to travel faster in space). If you could obtain 10% of the speed of light then the trip would take 40 years from the closest star. A civilization that has the technology to move across the extreme distances of space in a "reasonable" amount of time would be as far above us technologically as we are above a mouse. One problem we face is that science fiction has brainwashed us into thinking that faster than the speed of light travel is inevitable. Also, we have only been announcing our presence to the rest of the universe via electromagnetic energy for about 100 years so only civilizations within 100 light years would know of our existence by listening for transmissions (as we do via projects such as SETI). So, following Occam's Razor, which is more likely: a civilization(s) exists with extremely advanced technology (by our standards) and they choose not to openly reveal themselves to us or people over the years have been seeing weather balloons, atmospheric phenomenon, and experimental aircraft?

70 years ago today General Ramey started the coverup at Roswell.

The Ramey Memo: Best Roswell Cover-Up Evidence ever Found - YouTube (https://youtu.be/z8VQwxF8gRQ)

[Arctic Fox]

One problem I see with all of these stories is that the distances involved make alien visitations very unlikely.

If wormholes exist (pipelines connecting two black holes) then getting from one point in the universe to another far away in very little time would theoretically be possible. Still leaves two problems, however:

1) getting "spaghettied", due to the enormous gravitational forces around black holes; and

2) the entry and exit black holes would most likely still be many light-years from your desired start and end locations.

Currently checking Wikipedia for solutions.

[tuccillo]

The technology required to either harness a wormhole or create your own would be "advanced", plus it helps if you have spice ;-)


If wormholes exist (pipelines connecting two black holes) then getting from one point in the universe to another far away in very little time would theoretically be possible. Still leaves two problems, however:

1) getting "spaghettied", due to the enormous gravitational forces around black holes; and

2) the entry and exit black holes would most likely still be many light-years from your desired start and end locations.

Currently checking Wikipedia for solutions.

[Arctic Fox]

The technology required to either harness a wormhole or create your own would be "advanced", plus it helps if you have spice ;-)

and you wouldn't want to create one too close to home!

maybe that's what did it for the aliens - got too carried away with reducing their commute

[Lottoguy]

Their not getting here on unleaded gasoline and a can of Red Bull. For all we know Earth might be the Disney World of the Galaxy. I believe disclosure is happening now. But at a controlled pace that humanity can handle. The radio broadcast of War of the Worlds taught the government something. NASA says they now have discovered thousands of planets. Many are in the habitable zone that can support life. When it finally does happen it will be the biggest moment in human history.

[Lottoguy]

I don't see your point? If I didn't have an open mind none of these forums would be here now. I listen, I read, I investigate what somebody has said.

[Taltarzac725]

Crash near Roswell 70 years ago left clue in an S-T photo | Fort Worth Star-Telegram (http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article160020994.html)

This is interesting.

[Lottoguy]

This memo should get more media coverage then that photo of Amelia Earhart. The link to the man breaking down the memo is the first post.

[Topspinmo]

Crash near Roswell 70 years ago left clue in an S-T photo | Fort Worth Star-Telegram (http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/bud-kennedy/article160020994.html)

This is interesting.

If it was just weather balloon why did they quarantine the area for months, picks up ever bit of debri, control the area and make soldiers sign documents sworn to secrecy. They are hiding something even though they did have lots of weather balloons tracing nuclear fallout from all the testing. Weather balloons don't need undertaker which was contracted and sworn to secrecy.