Villages Golf Cart Store Breaks The Law?

[Sandtrap328]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

[graciegirl]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

Whoa Richard.

Your car goes past the speed limit. The driver is the person who controls the speed.

There are isolated times when a person needs more speed to maneuver away from another driver who might harm him/her.




or just to move along a little quicker when no one is behind or ahead of him.

It is illegal to drive more than 20MPH....it shouldn't be illegal to fix a cart to go more than the legal speed limit.

[villagetinker]

Sandtrap, I agree with you, further, I would think the GC company could be incurring some liability by doing this.

[biker1]

This has been discussed ad nauseam. Cars and golf carts are different with respect to the law.

Whoa Richard.

Your car goes past the speed limit. The driver is the person who controls the speed.

There are isolated times when a person needs more speed to maneuver away from another driver who might harm him/her.




or just to move along a little quicker when no one is behind or ahead of him.

[Sandtrap328]

Whoa Richard.

Your car goes past the speed limit. The driver is the person who controls the speed.

There are isolated times when a person needs more speed to maneuver away from another driver who might harm him/her.




or just to move along a little quicker when no one is behind or ahead of him.

It is illegal to drive more than 20MPH....it shouldn't be illegal to fix a cart to go more than the legal speed limit.

I understand what you are saying but - this time - I disagree with you. Maybe after the A/C is repaired, you will agree with me. Drink plenty of ice water!

[graciegirl]

This has been discussed ad nauseam. Cars and golf carts are different with respect to the law.

So. It is illegal to own or sell a cart or change a cart to one than can go faster than 20MPH?

I respect your judgement.

[biker1]

Google the law or do a search on ToTV.

So. It is illegal to own or sell a cart or change a cart to one than can go faster than 20MPH?

I respect your judgement.

[Sandtrap328]

As I understand it, if your cart CAN exceed 20 mph on flat ground, it is no longer a golf cart but a Low Speed Vehicle. It must be inspected for safety features such as wipers and seatbelts. It must be insured. It must have current law license plates. It's maximum speed is 25 mph. It may be driven on roads that have a 35 or less speed limit.

If caught by a policeman, you will be charged with operating an unregistered motor vehicle and it is an extremely expensive thing.

If I am incorrect, please let me know. Thanks.

[graciegirl]

Google the law or do a search on ToTV.

Here is what I found. The law changed July 1st 2013?

New Florida Golf Cart Law in Effect | WUSF News (http://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/post/new-florida-golf-cart-law-effect#stream/0)


It isn't very clear to me after reading this what is legal and not legal.

[autumnspring]

Whoa Richard.

Your car goes past the speed limit. The driver is the person who controls the speed.

There are isolated times when a person needs more speed to maneuver away from another driver who might harm him/her.




or just to move along a little quicker when no one is behind or ahead of him.

It is illegal to drive more than 20MPH....it shouldn't be illegal to fix a cart to go more than the legal speed limit.

Most of the golf carts in the Villages do not have license plates on them. As an unregistered motorized vehicle the maximum speed that it can go is 20 mph. That is potential maximum speed. If, you CHOOSE, to have a golf cart set up to do more than 20 mph you must put plates on it-register it-have INSURANCE and have a valid drivers license.

[karostay]

The next time you have your automobile serviced remind them
To make sure your auto won't go any faster than the national speed limit
Or they will be breaking the law

[Allegiance]

I understand what you are saying but - this time - I disagree with you. Maybe after the A/C is repaired, you will agree with me. Drink plenty of ice water!It's nice to have a good relationship with Chuck Farrell. ;) never without AC for more than a couple hours.

[dewilson58]

:popcorn:

:popcorn:

:popcorn:

Here we go.

[Chatbrat]

Cars have speedometers, golf carts do not--if I bought a new golf cart and or I had one recently serviced ,I would bring a copy of the sales/service order& drag the company into court as a co-defendant--I know some lawyer would quote chapter & verse--but if enough people did this the carts would be certified @ less than 20 mph when sold not after you get a violation--really these shops should have their certification pulled, as to being a certified shop for remediation

[Taltarzac725]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

I do not agree here. Your car will go 120 mph probably but that is illegal probably no where but the Autobahn and a racetrack plus various other places far from Florida. https://www.german-way.com/travel-and-tourism/driving-in-europe/driving/autobahn/driving-on-the-autobahn/

[Polar Bear]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen...
Hey ST...you never told us whether or not you had it done!?! :D :beer3: :beer3: :laugh:

[twoplanekid]

From the Florida statute 210.01 Definitions, general

(22) “Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

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[Sandtrap328]

Hey ST...you never told us whether or not you had it done!?! :D :beer3: :beer3: :laugh:

You will find out Tuesday. Go Polar Bears!

[manaboutown]

Pretty simple judging by this video. How to Adjust Governor on Yamaha G29 Drive Gas Golf Cart | Speed Increase - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxIz_2h8piI)

For an electric cart: How To Make Your Golf Cart Faster | GolfCarCatalog.com Blog (https://www.golfcarcatalog.com/golf-cart-blog/how-to-make-your-golf-cart-faster/)

I kinda wonder if a licensed shop doing this might be liable for an ensuing accident due to speeding over 20 mph.

Higher gearing might be the safest way to go as far as engine life is concerned.

[dbussone]

Cars have speedometers, golf carts do not--if I bought a new golf cart and or I had one recently serviced ,I would bring a copy of the sales/service order& drag the company into court as a co-defendant--I know some lawyer would quote chapter & verse--but if enough people did this the carts would be certified @ less than 20 mph when sold not after you get a violation--really these shops should have their certification pulled, as to being a certified shop for remediation



My golf cart came with a speedometer, new. I also make sure that it cannot exceed 20 MPH by instructing the service folks to make sure the governor is properly set.


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[ColdNoMore]

From the Florida statute 210.01 Definitions, general

(22) “Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=golf%20carts&URL=0300-0399/0320/Sections/0320.01.html)

"Not capable" is the key phrase here.

The Villages Golf Carts is definitely breaking the law, by being the entity that allows an otherwise 'golf cart'... to be capable of speeds in excess of 20 mph.

While we will never see the story in the Sun, there WILL be a case soon whereby someone gets popped by the police for going too fast and then sues the VGC or tells the cops that it was the dealer that set it up that way...or BOTH.

In other words, those who want Gordon's Garage to do it for them (although it's very easy to do yourself and then you become the one culpable for the modification) better hurry...before they quit doing it due to liability issues.

[manaboutown]

Might be wise to check one's top cart speed out on a Garmin, smartphone GPS or such. I suspected my new SUV's speedometer was reading about 3 mph too fast at highway speeds so I hooked my Garmin up when I drove it and I was right. When I go in for its first service I will get it adjusted.

[wisbad1]

the way it sounds is for $40.one time fee you can get a tag to drive 25mph whenever,is that right?

[Sandtrap328]

the way it sounds is for $40.one time fee you can get a tag to drive 25mph whenever,is that right?

No, you read it wrong.

The law was telling how to take your "low speed vehicle" from being capable of going 25 mph DOWN to a golf cart capable of going only 20 mph.

The newly redesigned CART would no longer need insurance, license plates, or safety equipment - and could go no faster than 20 mph.

[ColdNoMore]

Might be wise to check one's top cart speed out on a Garmin, smartphone GPS or such. I suspected my new SUV's speedometer was reading about 3 mph too fast at highway speeds so I hooked my Garmin up when I drove it and I was right. When I go in for its first service I will get it adjusted.

Good luck getting it changed/adjusted, as they may tell you that it is within the 'acceptable range.'

Speedometer Scandal! - Feature - Car and Driver (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/speedometer-scandal)

So we sought out the rule book to find out just how much accuracy is mandated. In the U.S., manufacturers voluntarily follow the standard set by the Society of Automotive Engineers, J1226, which is pretty lax. To begin with, manufacturers are afforded the latitude to aim for within plus-or-minus two percent of absolute accuracy or to introduce bias to read high on a sliding scale of from minus-one to plus-three percent at low speeds to zero to plus-four percent above 55 mph.

And those percentages are not of actual speed but rather a percentage of the total speed range indicated on the dial.

So the four-percent allowable range on an 85-mph speedometer is 3.4 mph, and the acceptable range on a 150-mph speedometer is 6.0 mph.


There have even been allegations over the years that some manufacturers have set their speedo's higher than you're actually going (therefore showing more miles traveled than actual)...simply to reach the warranty limit sooner. :shrug:

[Villageswimmer]

No, you read it wrong.

The law was telling how to take your "low speed vehicle" from being capable of going 25 mph DOWN to a golf cart capable of going only 20 mph.

The newly redesigned CART would no longer need insurance, license plates, or safety equipment - and could go no faster than 20 mph.


I'd never drive it at any speed without insurance.

[dbussone]

No, you read it wrong.



The law was telling how to take your "low speed vehicle" from being capable of going 25 mph DOWN to a golf cart capable of going only 20 mph.



The newly redesigned CART would no longer need insurance, license plates, or safety equipment - and could go no faster than 20 mph.



While it is not required, I have insurance on my golf cart. I think it is a worthwhile thing to do.


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[Chatbrat]

Insurance is to protect YOU, if you've got nothing to lose--you don't need insurance--if you've got real assets , you need insurance- and I'm not talking the minimum that Fl requires for car insurance a $5 million dollar umbrella should be considered as a minimum over your car insurance

[dbussone]

Insurance is to protect YOU, if you've got nothing to lose--you don't need insurance--if you've got real assets , you need insurance- and I'm not talking the minimum that Fl requires for car insurance a $5 million dollar umbrella should be considered as a minimum over your car insurance



It also protects me from those without insurance who think they are Dale Jr. The first month I had my cart I was stopped at an exec course waiting to move to the cart parking area. There were carts stopped and lined up behind me. Someone who thought he was Tiger Woods came toward me counting the $2 he had just won. Despite my hitting the horn, he drove right into my front end head on. He didn't know what insurance meant, much less have any.

I know what insurance is for.

[biker1]

Wrong. Many golf carts have speedometers. Mine does.

Cars have speedometers, golf carts do not--if I bought a new golf cart and or I had one recently serviced ,I would bring a copy of the sales/service order& drag the company into court as a co-defendant--I know some lawyer would quote chapter & verse--but if enough people did this the carts would be certified @ less than 20 mph when sold not after you get a violation--really these shops should have their certification pulled, as to being a certified shop for remediation

[biker1]

That is not what the law says.

The next time you have your automobile serviced remind them
To make sure your auto won't go any faster than the national speed limit
Or they will be breaking the law

[OpusX1]

This law is only applicable on roadways. I have never heard of some one getting a ticket for speeding on the multi modal paths or the golf course. The law is not applicable at all on private property. You can go as fast as you want on private property in a golf cart or a car. The mechanic would not be held responsible if he souped a car or cart to go 200 mph and someone got killed at a drag strip.
My cart goes 19 mph.

[ColdNoMore]

This law is only applicable on roadways. I have never heard of some one getting a ticket for speeding on the multi modal paths or the golf course. The law is not applicable at all on private property. You can go as fast as you want on private property in a golf cart or a car. The mechanic would not be held responsible if he souped a car or cart to go 200 mph and someone got killed at a drag strip.
My cart goes 19 mph.

Don't forget that every road in each of the different Villages (except CYV's)...are public.

Then of course, the most likely spots of getting popped would be roads like Morris Blvd...where you're driving on the edge of the roadway.

I've also heard of the police setting up traps on heavily used areas...where the cart lane is part of the roadway.

[DonH57]

Great news! I can now continue developing wharp drive propulsion and cloaking shield capability on our cart!

[OpusX1]

The mechanic can not be held responsible as he/ she does not know what the use of the cart is. I am sure some of the farms around here have bought carts from dealers where the use is intirely on private property. Carts can be modified to go really fast, like over 120 mph in a quarter mile.
PQ Golf Cart sets World Speed Record @ 118.76 mph - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z93QpgGJRDA)
According to the op this company is breaking the law. Making a cart go over 20 mph.

[Mleeja]

I find it surprising that a golf cart dealer in Sumter Counrty would agree to set the speed faster than 20 miles per hour? I seem to recall not all that long ago the Sumter County Sheriff sent a letter to all golf cart dealers in Sumter County informing them of the current laws and regulations for the speed of golf carts, verses low speed vehicles. Setting the speed in excess of 20 mph could make them liable. If one has a burning desire to know this information, do a search of this topic on this website, they would probably find the exact letter and date.

Me I don't really care. I'll just chug along at 20 mpg, with a good tail wind.

[Carl in Tampa]

The next time you have your automobile serviced remind them
To make sure your auto won't go any faster than the national speed limit
Or they will be breaking the law

There is no "national speed limit." Jimmy Carter accomplished a national 55 mph speed limit for a while to try to save gasoline, and threatened states that did not want to comply with loss of federal funds.

But, that ended, and now each state sets its own speed limits as it sees fit. Interestingly, Hawaii has the lowest at 60 mph. Then Alaska and some of the New England States have a 65 mph limit.

Most of the rest of the states East of the Mississippi River have a 70 mph limit. (Maine and Michigan are 75.)

Texas and most of the states north of it are at 75 except South Dakota. There is a stretch of Texas from San Antonio to the west to El Paso that has an 80 mph limit. Really interesting in a highway from San Antonio to Dallas where the limit is 85, the highest in the U.S.

The limit is 75 in the open spaces of Montana, Wyoming, Utah, South Dakota, Colorado and Nevada. California and Oregon are a more sedate 70. Washington state is 75.

(I realize your post was sarcastic.)

[Carl in Tampa]

This law is only applicable on roadways. I have never heard of some one getting a ticket for speeding on the multi modal paths or the golf course. The law is not applicable at all on private property. You can go as fast as you want on private property in a golf cart or a car. The mechanic would not be held responsible if he souped a car or cart to go 200 mph and someone got killed at a drag strip.
My cart goes 19 mph.

Your statement is not technically entirely correct.

Most parking lots at shopping centers and malls are private property. But, a driver cannot go as fast as he might want to if the speed he drives might amount to "reckless endangerment" of the lives and safety of others. You are correct that the charge will not be "speeding," but it is likely to be a much more serious charge relating to risking hurting or killing others.

[Carl in Tampa]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

You present two false analogies. There is a specific law against selling a gun to a convicted felon, and a specific law forbidding selling booze to a 12 year old.

There is no law against increasing the speed capability of a golf cart.

I have an old Cadillac that reputedly is capable of 150 mph (although the computer brain cannot be set for that unless the appropriate tires are mounted on the car) and I still maintain a sedate 70 mph on Florida highways. If I were to have the adjustment made and drive at 150 mph and have an untoward event, the dealership would have no liability, nor would the Cadillac company.

It is not illegal for the dealership to set the computer for 150 if the appropriate tires are on the car. It is still a motor vehicle and subject to all laws regarding motor vehicles.

It is not illegal for a golf cart dealership to set a cart to exceed 20 mph. But, if the cart is capable of exceeding 20 mph it no longer meets the Florida definition of a golf cart and cannot legally be operated as a golf cart. That means no operating on the pavement within the individual villages where golf carts are permitted to operate.

Also, it does not automatically become a LSV if it is capable of exceeding 20 mph. You must pay the state a fee to convert it, and comply with other licensing and registration laws.

If you feel strongly that the local Sheriff or the State of Florida should know of the actions of Gordon's, and that they are in violation of the law, by all means make a report.

[Chi33]

I find it surprising that a golf cart dealer in Sumter Counrty would agree to set the speed faster than 20 miles per hour? I seem to recall not all that long ago the Sumter County Sheriff sent a letter to all golf cart dealers in Sumter County informing them of the current laws and regulations for the speed of golf carts, verses low speed vehicles. Setting the speed in excess of 20 mph could make them liable. If one has a burning desire to know this information, do a search of this topic on this website, they would probably find the exact letter and date.

Me I don't really care. I'll just chug along at 20 mpg, with a good tail wind.

I am sorry. but I hope they know who you are or can set a timeline to know you. I know the people there and they are very kind people. The is no legal limit someone can set your cart to do,. You have a warranty and insurance. Personally I heard someone came for repairs and had their cart boosted over 25 pre repair and they warned them that they wouldn't service them again. IMHO, I think the speed limit is 19-20, and the warranty is void over 25. So, you can be set at 24 and if you choose to, then what happens will happen. Also, this is a stupid thread and disrespecting a group that helps so many.

And seriously 18 20 22? Really. We aren't talking 18 to 35

oh, and isn't the Villages full of adults?

[daverobertson2000]

my rental 4 seater does 24.9 when im alone but with four large adults i cant reach 20. If it was pre set at 20 i would barely be crawling with it loaded

[rustyp]

Amazing how much attention a couple mph gets. Who cares? Truth be known most of the chapter and verse declarations sited here probably have roots in not being able to cope with another cart passing you. The silent majority just can't cope with others pushing to the front of the line.

[birdiebill]

I think there is some misunderstanding here. First, the speed of the golf carts purchased at The Villages golf cart garages are not automatically set to exceed 20 mph. Second, the governor is only increased to over 20 mph if the customer wants it to and signs the "waiver" agreement. It is not illegal to have a cart set to exceed 20.

Third, if the owner has the governor set to exceed 20, as the driver/owner, he/she is solely responsible for the speed capability and the speed driven. Since the cart can now exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart, but is considered a low speed vehicle by Florida law. For the owner to be legally using it, he/she must register it and license it with the state of Florida and must have insurance. Failure to do so falls on the owner. If anyone does not want to have their cart fall under the low speed vehicle law, don't have the governor set to exceed 20 mph. As a cart owner who has a speedometer and who gets passed often when on the MMP's and diamond lane streets, it is apparent that many people here have illegal low speed vehicles looking like golf carts, especially since almost all have no current Florida registered license plate. The choice is with the owner of the cart.

[Villageswimmer]

Amazing how much attention a couple mph gets. Who cares? Truth be known most of the chapter and verse declarations sited here probably have roots in not being able to cope with another cart passing you. The silent majority just can't cope with others pushing to the front of the line.


Who cares?
Law enforcement
Your insurance company and attorneys if involved in an accident

[rustyp]

Who cares?
Law enforcement
Your insurance company and attorneys if involved in an accident

Yea - I've noticed the courts have a full docket of golf cart speeding cases.

[keithwand]

TV is only offering what other golf cart stores have been doing forever due to the demand of requests from villagers.
Most carts have speedometers standard. If yours doesn't it's time to get one.
Speed and get caught it's your problem; no one elses.

[Mleeja]

I am sorry. but I hope they know who you are or can set a timeline to know you. I know the people there and they are very kind people. The is no legal limit someone can set your cart to do,. You have a warranty and insurance. Personally I heard someone came for repairs and had their cart boosted over 25 pre repair and they warned them that they wouldn't service them again. IMHO, I think the speed limit is 19-20, and the warranty is void over 25. So, you can be set at 24 and if you choose to, then what happens will happen. Also, this is a stupid thread and disrespecting a group that helps so many.

And seriously 18 20 22? Really. We aren't talking 18 to 35

oh, and isn't the Villages full of adults?

I think you have misinterpreted my posting. All I am saying the Sumter County Sheriff's office warned the cart dealers not to set the speeds above 20 mph. If a reader is concerned, they can search this forum and probably find the exact letter. I believe it was posted. My carts is set for 20 mph which is fine for me. If someone wants to go faster it is their choice. I fail to see where I was "disrespecting a group that helps so many"

[ColdNoMore]

Here is an interesting story, on someone who was cited for excessive golf cart speed on Morse Blvd.

Golf Cart Citation Story (http://www.insidethebubble.co/golf-cart-citation-story/)

[NotGolfer]

Here is an interesting story, on someone who was cited for excessive golf cart speed on Morse Blvd.

Golf Cart Citation Story (http://www.insidethebubble.co/golf-cart-citation-story/)

Doncha just love it when folks don't think it's a big deal about speeding in their carts and dispute any posts re: that??? Thank you for posting this (I've seen it a few times before)!

[GatorFan]

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[dbussone]

Doncha just love it when folks don't think it's a big deal about speeding in their carts and dispute any posts re: that??? Thank you for posting this (I've seen it a few times before)!



Thanks. That's pretty scary to think one might end up with a felony record for exceeding 20 MPH.


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[Topspinmo]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

Nope, the bottom line the driver takes ALL responsibility for the cart and speed. End of story.

[Topspinmo]

Cars have speedometers, golf carts do not--if I bought a new golf cart and or I had one recently serviced ,I would bring a copy of the sales/service order& drag the company into court as a co-defendant--I know some lawyer would quote chapter & verse--but if enough people did this the carts would be certified @ less than 20 mph when sold not after you get a violation--really these shops should have their certification pulled, as to being a certified shop for remediation

Well, if you told them to set it higher it would be YOUR FAULT, your are the driver and you are responsible

[twoplanekid]

If you want to go faster than 20, here is the State of Florida affidavit for golf cart modified to a low speed vehicle.

--> http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BFO/86064.pdf

[Topspinmo]

I could care less what other people do. I know the law and I obey. My cart goes exactly 20 MPH. Verified by village golf carts, speedometer, and radar. If I'm going down hill I don't keep it floor boarded cause I know it will creep up to 22 MPH going Down hill. I don't have to worry about it going up hill cause it will only do 19.6 MPH up hill. I could give s&&& less who's going faster (it's none of my business, it's law enforcement business) or who's tailgating me. When I get my cart serviced I expect it to set IAW the law and if asked do I want it set faster my answer will be NO! The responsibility falls on me.

[rustyp]

Thanks. That's pretty scary to think one might end up with a felony record for exceeding 20 MPH.


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Please help me find where it states this is a felony offense. That means if convicted of a 21 mph golf cart citation you have lost your right to vote for the rest of your life amongst other very serious consequences.

[Barefoot]

This has been discussed ad nauseam. Cars and golf carts are different with respect to the law.
That won't prevent us from discussing it again ad nauseam. :popcorn:

[ColdNoMore]

That won't prevent us from discussing it again ad nauseam. :popcorn: .


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(Ad nauseam) :D

[dbussone]

Please help me find where it states this is a felony offense. That means if convicted of a 21 mph golf cart citation you have lost your right to vote for the rest of your life amongst other very serious consequences.



Fully read the link in post # 48

In the US, a "felony" is a classification of crime, generally defined as any crime that poses the risk of imprisonment for more than one year.

The total of potential jail time for the criminal acts involved far exceeds 1 year.

I'm no lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.


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[Barefoot]

I asked my insurance company about set speeds. They informed me that set speeds aren't relevant.
It is how fast the cart is going when an incident/accident occurs.
Perhaps the person with whom I spoke wasn't qualified to give an opinion. :shrug:

[rustyp]

Fully read the link in post # 48

In the US, a "felony" is a classification of crime, generally defined as any crime that poses the risk of imprisonment for more than one year.

The total of potential jail time for the criminal acts involved far exceeds 1 year.

I'm no lawyer, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express before.


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I still need help. The author of the article in post #48 wrote "I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail". I don't make a practice of staying at Holiday Inns.

[NoMoSno]

I asked my insurance company about set speeds. They informed me that set speeds aren't relevant.
It is how fast the cart is going when an incident/accident occurs.
Perhaps the person with whom I spoke wasn't qualified to give an opinion. :shrug:
That's what I was told by my insurance company also.
He said in the 18 years he has been writing GC insurance there has never been an instance where a cart was impounded and checked for speed....:shrug:

[dbussone]

I still need help. The author of the article in post #48 wrote "I went to the Sumter County Clerk website and found that a CLASS 2 Misdemeanor was a Criminal offense punishable with a fine of up to $500 and 6 months in the county jail". I don't make a practice of staying at Holiday Inns.



Fortunately I've never experienced this problem with my golf cart, but a friend of mine has. He said the officer who cited him said all the various potential criminal charges could constitute a felony if he was adjudicated guilty. I don't know if this helps or not.


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[rustyp]

Fortunately I've never experienced this problem with my golf cart, but a friend of mine has. He said the officer who cited him said all the various potential criminal charges could constitute a felony if he was adjudicated guilty. I don't know if this helps or not.


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No help - fake news !

[dbussone]

No help - fake news !



Maybe somewhat incorrect, but hardly fake. He paid almost $500 in fines and a lesser plea to avoid a criminal finding.

Don't believe it. Maybe you're the fake news propagator.

At this point I'd hope Carl from Tampa might weigh in.


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This thread topic is about a business setting the speed of a golf cart more than 20 mph. Off topic posts have been removed. Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed. Thank you.

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[rubicon]

This topic keeps getting repeated because some resident got a bee in his bonnet because he/she was passed on the MMP. Ever get behind a cart going 12-15 mph and see that the driver has planted himself/herself firmly in the middle of the MMP so that no one dare pass them?

Are you a resident who desires to travel as far north or south of The Villages in order to take advantage of every amenity? If so do you believe the laws that apply to golf carts still apply now?

does anyone recall where speed was cited as the major cause of an accident? and for that manner even cited as the cause? or was it distraction, an automobile that ran into a golf cart, a heart attack or other medical issue that was the cause.

This topic continues ad nauseam because a few residents have an absolute belief that they wish to impose on all.

It would seem to me that the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy would work here just fine. Or in other words live and let live

[mtdjed]

If you want to go faster than 20, here is the State of Florida affidavit for golf cart modified to a low speed vehicle.

--> http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/forms/BFO/86064.pdf

So, if you want to have your cart go more than 20 MPH, it appears to be legal with the state of Florida, if you follow the law and register the cart as a low speed vehicle. That being the premise, if I take my cart to someone and ask them to modify the cart to go more than 20, it would seem that it would be my responsibility to comply with the law. Why would the modifier be responsible for my inaction?

[Jannygirl]

Omg. Cut me a break, you're talking 5 mph not 30 and on a golf cart trail not the road. My motto has always been worry about yourself and what you do, not anyone else so if you don't agree with upping the speed- very simple don't do it

[twoplanekid]

So, if you want to have your cart go more than 20 MPH, it appears to be legal with the state of Florida, if you follow the law and register the cart as a low speed vehicle. That being the premise, if I take my cart to someone and ask them to modify the cart to go more than 20, it would seem that it would be my responsibility to comply with the law. Why would the modifier be responsible for my inaction?

Good question!
In an August, 2015 news article found on the other online news, it says and I quote:
” County Administrator Bradley Arnold sent a letter to about a half dozen Sumter County golf cart sellers last month, telling them they should not sell golf carts capable of exceeding 20 mph. Golf cart sales businesses in Lake and Marion counties also serve The Villages.

“Due to the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office citing golf carts exceeding 20 mph, this letter is a reminder that modifying or selling golf carts not in compliance with Florida Statute 319.14 is illegal,” Arnold’s letter stated.

However, that statute deals with vehicles titled and registered as low-speed vehicles that can be converted to golf carts. These converted vehicles become unregistered and may not exceed 20 mph on public roads, according to the statute. They also must display a decal on the back that says: “CONVERTED vehicle: Max speed 20 mph.””

319.14 covers more than just a golf cart conversion.
Nevertheless, it's a good question!

[Chatbrat]

Had a friend who purchased a used Par Car- it was capable of over 30 mph-well the first day he was driving it-he got stopped by a LEO--the LEO gave him a warning & told him to get the cart corrected-- he was clocked @ 32-not a clue how fast he was going

If all LEO's did this-IMHO- there is a record of the violation & in the case of a second offense-get the full penalty

[Barefoot]

-he got stopped by a LEO--the LEO gave him a warning & told him to get the cart corrected-- he was clocked @ 32-not a clue how fast he was going
If your friend was clocked @ 32 MPH, he needs to pay attention to the speedometer, and adjust his speed accordingly. :shrug:

[golfing eagles]

If your friend was clocked @ 32 MPH, he needs to pay attention to the speedometer, and adjust his speed accordingly. :shrug:

Do you have this problem with dog sleds and snowmobiles at this time of year in the frozen tundra????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jsw14]

I have NO problem pass'in Sunday drivers on the golf cart path Monday--Saturday.........

[Carl in Tampa]

I think there is some misunderstanding here. First, the speed of the golf carts purchased at The Villages golf cart garages are not automatically set to exceed 20 mph. Second, the governor is only increased to over 20 mph if the customer wants it to and signs the "waiver" agreement. It is not illegal to have a cart set to exceed 20.

Third, if the owner has the governor set to exceed 20, as the driver/owner, he/she is solely responsible for the speed capability and the speed driven. Since the cart can now exceed 20 mph, it is no longer considered a golf cart, but is considered a low speed vehicle by Florida law. For the owner to be legally using it, he/she must register it and license it with the state of Florida and must have insurance. Failure to do so falls on the owner. If anyone does not want to have their cart fall under the low speed vehicle law, don't have the governor set to exceed 20 mph. As a cart owner who has a speedometer and who gets passed often when on the MMP's and diamond lane streets, it is apparent that many people here have illegal low speed vehicles looking like golf carts, especially since almost all have no current Florida registered license plate. The choice is with the owner of the cart.

:agree:

It seems so simple. But people talk all around the facts. The dealership has not broken the law.

The vehicle is no longer considered a golf cart under Florida law. If operated on the paved roads within the individual Villages it must be registered and insured as a LSV or it is being operated illegally.

Those are the facts. Now, it is true that it is unlikely that the police will expend any of their limited resources on seeking out and citing people operating carts capable of exceeding 20 mph, but an accident, traffic crash, or some other unusual event may bring illegal carts to their attention.

To each his own. I prefer to operate legally.

[rustyp]

Here is one that will cause more controversy than one can shake a stick at. It is illegal for a golf cart registered as a LSV to travel n the golf cart lane in The Villages. They are considered a motor vehicle. From a legal standpoint it would be the same as you driving your car in those lanes. To add to more controversy if you have registered your golf cart as a LSV you can not just ignore the renewal and declare yourself a golf cart. This is an expensive process to reclassify. Have fun with this factoid. Check your facts carefully before you shoot me - I have done my homework.

[Fred R]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

Well, instead of dozens of people posting about this, why don't you just call them up and tell them if you feel so strongly about this?

[TheMoyers]

I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

[rlcooper70]

I love this post - and the analogy that it is like "selling a gun to a convicted felon". Really? Are you serious? Does every law have the same consequence .... speeding and mugging?

For a gas golf cart almost anyone can adjust it to increase the speed. We are retired ... can we live and let live?

[banjobob]

If 20 MPH is the maximum I offer most of friends carts will do 22-23 straight from the dealership , my cart is capable of more but used with safe common sense as autos are even though they are capable of much more, when you are in the caravan of carts at 15 MPH tempers become very short.

[golfing eagles]

I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

Actually, owning a golf cart that can go over 20 is not a violation of the law, however driving it is. Even if you aren't driving over 20, the mere fact that it is capable of going over 20 is a violation. And if you get into an accident, your golf cart insurance will not cover you. If it is capable of going over 20 (and up to 25) you now own a LSV, which must be registered and insured. Is this law enforced? Not often, unless there is an incident, and then you're screwd.

I do agree that this issue is "driven" by those who don't want to get passed. They are the same people who camp out in the left lane of I 75 at 55 mph or the left lane of 466 at 30 mph. Some of them view themselves as the self appointed dictators of forcing others to drive at the speed that THEY think they should. They are also some of the same people that will cruise a one lane road posted 60 at 40 mph with a parade behind them, UNTIL there is a passing zone, then they speed up to 80 so no one can pass, then back to 40 once it is one lane again. Who cares if someone passes you in an illegal golf cart going 28, it's not your problem. Unsafe passing is a different issue entirely.

[twoplanekid]

I thnk we need to go to basics. I agree with the writer who pointed out our autos go much faster than the posted speed limit. The driver controls the speed of it and his/her golf cart. Owning a cart faster than 20 is not a violation of the law. Driving it over 20 is. Next we will be discussing whether carts should be fastened to tracks like at Disney, so the cart can't go where it is not allowed.

???? From my post # 17

From the Florida statute 210.01 Definitions, general

(22) “Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.


Capable of exceeding speeds of 20 requires the cart to be registered as a LSV in Florida. see post # 54

[MDLNB]

It is not unlawful for a garage to increase the speed of a golf cart. It is the obligation of the owner to then get it registered. Do not blame the garage for following the customer's instruction. Blame the person for driving that same cart without first getting it registered.

In my opinion, registered golf carts should not be allowed on the multi-modal paths in The Villages, but they do and they pass at speeds up to 30mph on a consistent basis. There are no speed limits on private property, or I should add, no enforceable speed limits on private property.

[Villagesgal]

Why not just talk to the Sumter County Sheriff's people about it? They are the only ones who know the law. Simple as that. Everyone else is just giving their opinion.

[merrymini]

What a nuisance these rules are! Rules that protect me on the road or those that protect me from thieves or destruction to my property. Giving consideration to people around me by following the rules, what a pain! I should be able to do what I want, whenever I want and disregard the rules because I'm me! This is a chant either from a lawless culture or a three year old child. Look around, your life is governed by all kinds of rules which makes our lives safe and comfortable, enforce them!

[toeser]

I had the opposite experience. I was told they would not set the governor for more than the legal speed limit. Same garage.

[Villagesgal]

You are basically saying you have no idea as to whether or not it is legal. Check with the Sheriff's office they know the. law.

[xcaligirl]

I agree with Gracie. My car will do over 100mph however I don't drive anything but 5 mph over the speed limit on the freeway/turnpike. Even if someone is driving 17mph doesn't mean they are driving safe! I think they need to concentrate on the quality of the driver around here, not if someone is going 21mph to pass a slow moving cart. I've seen way too many reckless drivers and they weren't exactly speeding, not to mention alcohol induced drivers!

[OhioBuckeye]

Everytime I take my cart in to get it serviced they always have me sign a waver to check my cart speed to see if it's only running 20 mph. That's fine & my cart does run 20 mph on cart paths that are flat, if it has a little grade, no way it'll run 20 mph. Up hill like on Stillwater Path where there's a couple of hills & my cart will only run 14.7 mph. Also ANY cart in TV that I see behind me no matter how far behind it will catch up to me & pass me like I'm sitting still, so what I'm saying the 20 mph so-called laws we have is a bunch of bull, I've only lived here for 6 yrs. & I have NEVER EVER seen a cart pulled over for speeding! Besides I really can't believe all of the carts that pass me have been sped up by the owner. Besides why does everyone want their cart to set land speed record, where they going to be in such a hurry, also I thought this was a semi-retirement community, what's the hurry!

[pprentice]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.
They do. If they clock you over 20 on the path then the second your tires touch the street they will ticket you for speeding and for driving an unregistered vehicle. That may be a felony. Then you go to court, pay court fines, you are required to have the dealer reset the speed and return to court, more fees, with the proof.
Not worth it.
You can't cure stupid!

[Barboza]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;1421689]Whoa Richard.

Your car goes past the speed limit. The driver is the person who controls the speed.

There are isolated times when a person needs more speed to maneuver away from another driver who might harm him/her.




or just to move along a little quicker when no one is behind or ahead of him.

It is illegal to drive more than 20MPH....it shouldn't be illegal to fix a cart to go more than the legal speed limit.[/QUOTE


It is not legal to have a golf cart on the road that is CAPABLE of going over 20mph.

[clyde t]

Well I guess the speed limit is the speed limit. But my car will do well over a hundred miles an hour? What to do what to do? LOL

[genobambino]

If you get caught it will be a big fine, over $500...just ask some of the people that have been caught

[Dennis and Rose]

If the private property has open public access, ie: shopping malls, traffic laws of the local munincipality, and state apply. Example, parking in a handicap spot at the mall, may result in a summons from a Police officer

[MangiaMangia]

Blah blah blah same old topic.
On the flip side - there are times when I am behind someone who is going SO SLOW! Of course I pass them when allowable. My point is that I'm sure these people are content in there slow driving, thinking we are all jerks for going too fast.
I'm with the posters that comment - "We're talking about 2 or 3 MPH difference at 20 not 75MPH.

[Polar Bear]

...I'm with the posters that comment - "We're talking about 2 or 3 MPH difference at 20 not 75MPH.
I also agree with that.

Much ado about very little.

[wildjac]

While I understand your point.....equating this to illegal gun sales is just a tad over the top, don't you think? It is not illegal to own a cart that is capable of traveling at more than 20 mph.....it is illegal to drive a golf cart over 20 mph in The Villages....just like it is illegal to drive your full sized car over 30 mph on most streets in the Villages. It's called "speed limits" and it's up to the "individual" to conform with these restrictions or face consequences when caught. If you felt this strongly about the issue, you should have notified the Sheriffs Dept.......not posted it on TOTV.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Google has created a huge cadre of unlicensed lawyers.

[DonH57]

Google has created a huge cadre of unlicensed lawyers.

In the military we had a whole cadre of " barracks lawyers" as well.:agree:

[Barefoot]

Even if you aren't driving over 20, the mere fact that it is capable of going over 20 is a violation. And if you get into an accident, your golf cart insurance will not cover you.


My golf cart insurance company said just the opposite. :shrug:
I don't have my cart set over the speed limit, I was just curious.

I asked my insurance company about set speeds. They informed me that set speeds aren't relevant.
They told me that it is how fast the cart is going when an incident/accident occurs.

That's what I was told by my insurance company also.
He said in the 18 years he has been writing GC insurance there has never been an instance where a cart was impounded and checked for speed....:shrug:

[Bonny]

So, if the highway speed limit is 70, my car can go faster. Sooooo.... if I drive my car at 80, it's my problem, my fault and I'm getting a ticket. I doubt that the car manufacturers will be responsible because they made it so my car goes faster than the speed limit.
Now, if cart speed is 20 and I get caught driving 25, again, my problem, my fault and I'm getting the ticket.
I could go & get my cart speed raised. Maybe I have a large piece of property & I want to go faster.

[txfan]

How do you plead? "Not guilty." Then request a jury trial.

[ColdNoMore]

Post #21.

"Not capable" is the key phrase here.

The Villages Golf Carts is definitely breaking the law, by being the entity that allows an otherwise 'golf cart'... to be capable of speeds in excess of 20 mph.

While we will never see the story in the Sun, there WILL be a case soon whereby someone gets popped by the police for going too fast and then sues the VGC or tells the cops that it was the dealer that set it up that way...or BOTH.

In other words, those who want Gordon's Garage to do it for them (although it's very easy to do yourself and then you become the one culpable for the modification) better hurry...before they quit doing it due to liability issues.


Golf Carts Caught Speeding Get More Than a Speeding Ticket. Carts Speeders BEWARE! Slow Down or Else -- The Villages Golf Post | PRLog (https://www.prlog.org/11048512-golf-carts-caught-speeding-get-more-than-speeding-ticket-carts-speeders-beware-slow-down-or-else.html)

Golf cart repair companies and even local mobile repair guys could be held liable for carts that have been modified to exceed the speed limit.


:popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

My golf cart insurance company said just the opposite. :shrug:
I don't have my cart set over the speed limit, I was just curious.

I should have specified "if you get into an accident while exceeding 20 mph" Of course, there is unlikely to be any factual evidence as to how fast you were travelling, so the best defense is a cart incapable of exceeding 20

[golfing eagles]

So, if the highway speed limit is 70, my car can go faster. Sooooo.... if I drive my car at 80, it's my problem, my fault and I'm getting a ticket. I doubt that the car manufacturers will be responsible because they made it so my car goes faster than the speed limit.
Now, if cart speed is 20 and I get caught driving 25, again, my problem, my fault and I'm getting the ticket.
I could go & get my cart speed raised. Maybe I have a large piece of property & I want to go faster.

But there is a subtle difference in the law:

It is illegal to drive a cart capable of exceeding 20, regardless of the actual speed you are going

It is NOT illegal to drive a car that is capable of exceeding 70

Of course, the cart law in enforced even less often than the speed limit of 70

[Carl in Tampa]

Does everyone understand that no one in Florida owns a golf cart that goes over 20 mph?

That is because the legal definition of "golf cart" includes the fact that the vehicle is not capable of going over 20 mph.

It may look like a golf cart, but it is not a golf cart. It is also not automatically a Low Speed Vehicle. To be converted to a LSV it must have certain safety items added, be registered with the state, and have a license plate issued.

SO, if you raise the speed capability of your golf cart to above 20 mph, you have a self-propelled vehicle that is not eligible to be operated with the privileges of a golf cart or of a LSV.

You may never get caught. But if you are, it will probably be in connection with a crash or other incident where you are at risk for legal sanctions, either criminal or civil, and the potential for enhanced penalties increases when it is determined that your "self-propelled vehicle" was not legally entitled to be where the incident occurred.

But, please.......... no more posts like "my golf cart will go 25 mph..." If it will go over 20 mph it is not a golf cart.

[dewilson58]

Does everyone understand that no one in Florida owns a golf cart that goes over 20 mph?

That is because the legal definition of "golf cart" includes the fact that the vehicle is not capable of going over 20 mph.

It may look like a golf cart, but it is not a golf cart. It is also not automatically a Low Speed Vehicle. To be converted to a LSV it must have certain safety items added, be registered with the state, and have a license plate issued.

SO, if you raise the speed capability of your golf cart to above 20 mph, you have a self-propelled vehicle that is not eligible to be operated with the privileges of a golf cart or of a LSV.

You may never get caught. But if you are, it will probably be in connection with a crash or other incident where you are at risk for legal sanctions, either criminal or civil, and the potential for enhanced penalties increases when it is determined that your "self-propelled vehicle" was not legally entitled to be where the incident occurred.

But, please.......... no more posts like "my golf cart will go 25 mph..." If it will go over 20 mph it is not a golf cart.



No.

[dewilson58]

Question:

I'm driving next to 466a. Going 19mph.

I go up hill and my max speed drops to 18mph.

I go down hill and my speed jumps to 21mph.

Do I have a LSV only when I go down hill and otherwise a golf cart??

OR

Do I have a LSV, by definition??

OR

Do I have a golf cart??

OR

Who cares??

:ohdear:

[villagerjack]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.

What was your purpose in asking them this question?

[rbeall1942]

I checked with a Sumter County deputy in uniform, and he said there is no official limit on carts other than that which is posted for all vehicles. That 20 mph limit may be for the other two counties, but it appears to be just a "suggestion" put forth by The Villages management.

[dewilson58]

I checked with a Sumter County deputy in uniform, and he said there is no official limit on carts other than that which is posted for all vehicles. That 20 mph limit may be for the other two counties, but it appears to be just a "suggestion" put forth by The Villages management.

:22yikes:

[davidpb]

Bill! Your car goes faster then the speed limit but the manufactures aren't responsible for your actions .

[golfing eagles]

I checked with a Sumter County deputy in uniform, and he said there is no official limit on carts other than that which is posted for all vehicles. That 20 mph limit may be for the other two counties, but it appears to be just a "suggestion" put forth by The Villages management.

Interesting, since it is a STATE OF FLORIDA law

[John_W]

http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/17/image_232004.jpg

[Steve9930]

I was at Gordon's Garage (The Villages Golf Carts) at Lake Sumter Landing today to have a repair done to my cart. When I was paying, I asked the cashier if their shop increases the speed of carts to over the 20 mph limit. She told me that they will do the speed change - but they tell the customer it is illegal and, if in an accident or caught by the police, will result in a fine. I then verified her story with a couple of salesmen.

I think it is very irresponsible of one of the companies owned by The Villages to facilitate breaking the law.

It is akin to a gun dealer knowingly selling a gun to a convicted felon or a liquor store knowingly selling booze to a 12 year old. They can say we are telling you it is illegal but it is your choice.

I think that the Sumter County Sheriff or State of Florida Motor Vehicles should know of this.
No law is broken until the vehicle is put on the road by the owner. They then will need to clocked going over the limit for a golf cart.

[jsw14]

U R so Right Steve......:)

[Carl in Tampa]

I checked with a Sumter County deputy in uniform, and he said there is no official limit on carts other than that which is posted for all vehicles. That 20 mph limit may be for the other two counties, but it appears to be just a "suggestion" put forth by The Villages management.

If your "self-propelled vehicle" will go over 20 mph, then it is not a golf cart. Posted speed limits are irrelevant, unless they are under 20 mph, like on Paige Place approaching Spanish Springs Town Center.

You apparently encountered a Sumter County Deputy who was ignorant of State Law on this subject. That's strange for someone who works in a golf cart community.

Links to the Florida law have already been posted repeatedly on this thread. I see no point in doing it again.

[mtdjed]

So, in summary, in response to the original poster's question, no problem for someone to sell or modify your cart to go over 20 MPH with your approval. Now we can put on our big peoples pants and be responsible for our own actions. Can it be any more simple than that?

My plan is to have somebody to modify my cart to get to the golf ball first so I can improve my lie. Or is it lay? Whoops! I guess I can walk there faster.

[Polar Bear]

...You apparently encountered a Sumter County Deputy who was ignorant of State Law on this subject. That's strange for someone who works in a golf cart community...
So strange it may not be true. Maybe he was just speaking of a County cart speed enforcement policy.

[tmbromley]

Get real. You control the cart with your right foot and by keeping an eye on the speedometer. You are the one that speeds not the cart. But the only place you'd be breaking the law is on the public roads - the police have no jurisdiction on the recreation paths but any one driving needs to BE CAREFUL. Drive with caution - I see people driving too fast in the wrong places. It is the drivers responsibility to drive in accordance with the law no matter what the cart is capable of doing. If you don't want the risk don't mess with your carts top speed. You get the ticket - ignorance is no excuse!

[rubicon]

http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/17/image_232004.jpg

Beating a dead horse...thank you John W.

[golfing eagles]

My cart is capable of going approx. 176 mph-----just drop it from an airplane at 35,000 feet and get the radar speed at impact:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rustyp]

Question:

I'm driving next to 466a. Going 19mph.

I go up hill and my max speed drops to 18mph.

I go down hill and my speed jumps to 21mph.

Do I have a LSV only when I go down hill and otherwise a golf cart??

OR

Do I have a LSV, by definition??

OR

Do I have a golf cart??

OR

Who cares??

:ohdear:

Apparently you have a golf cart going uphill and a "self propelled vehicle - SPV" going downhill. I say gravity assisted the speed increase but by Florida Statute definition the cart itself must have I.E. "self propelled". Who cares ? - the people that mentally can not cope with being passed.

[jsw14]

So, in summary, in response to the original poster's question, no problem for someone to sell or modify your cart to go over 20 MPH with your approval. Now we can put on our big peoples pants and be responsible for our own actions. Can it be any more simple than that?

My plan is to have somebody to modify my cart to get to the golf ball first so I can improve my lie. Or is it lay? Whoops! I guess I can walk there faster.

Now that's just tooo much common sense mtdjed.... We can't have that now can we...... :1rotfl: :clap2:

[OhioBuckeye]

My golf cart insurance company said just the opposite. :shrug:
I don't have my cart set over the speed limit, I was just curious.

NoMoSno: I agree with your comment,also I've probably haven't lived here as long as you but I've never ever seen anybody pulled over for speedining in a golf cart, so to me the 20 mph speed limit for cart is a lot of bull.
You made a good comment though!

[Lindaketchup]

Who cares ? - the people that mentally can not cope with being passed.

:agree:

It amazes me the number of people here who are concerned with the speed of someone else's cart. It's between them, law enforcement and the courts if they want to do something they are not supposed to do.

I also find it fascinating that some are concerned with how they got their cart to go faster and reporting those who they feel are facilitating this terrible law breaking!

I guess minding everyone else's business is an activity all of it's own here in the Villages, maybe someone should start a club! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[sloanst]

I see your indignation, but I fail to see where the responsibility falls on the store to limit everyone's cart speed. I have scanned through the Florida statutes and found no statement where the operational top speed is anyone's responsibility other than the operator. Just my two cents worth.

[maxxkie]

if I ever get involved in an accident with a golf cart I hope it is one whose speed has been adjusted. I have a lawyer standing by.

[sloanst]

I would say that if you get into an accident with a golf cart while you are driving your car, you might need that lawyer.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Waiter, please seat me with the group that doesn't care who gets away with what.

[Barefoot]

Waiter, please seat me with the group that doesn't care who gets away with what.
:highfive: