Any A/C diagnostic geniuses Out there?

[EdFNJ]

Any Jr. A/C diagnostic sleuths out there?

Here's the problem. Happens intermittently (last time was this morning at 2AM).

A/C stops cooling yet the compressor fan outside continues to run as if all is OK.

Here's what's been done so far:

New Capacitor
New Contactor
New Fan motor
Condensate drain is clear and drain switch tests OK.
Refrigerant is fine

Problem is, every time the repair guy comes out it is working again. It stops cooling usually for a couple hours at random times. Sometimes it can go for 2 weeks without issue then it happens again.

It's an 8+yr old Carrier unit that was part of the original construction (I'm 2nd owner). When it is working it cools perfectly so it isn't a refrigerant issue.

[retiredguy123]

It could be a stuck or clogged thermostatic expansion valve. I had a similar problem with a new Carrier system installed several years ago in Virginia. This was the result of a Carrier defect in the compressor which cause circulating oil to clog the valve orifice. Although this is just speculation.

[DonH57]

If it's a carrier heat pump the defrost circuit board may have a fault. I only know this from previous experience going way back.

[biker1]

You might want to ask your AC company to escalate the problem to one of the Carrier factory support techs since they appear to be having trouble diagnosing the issue. This may only be possible if they are a Carrier Factory Authorized Dealer. If they aren't, you may want to consider going with a different AC company. When dealing with techs, I believe you should refrain from telling them what you think the problem might be and instead focus on describing the symptoms only, as accurately as possible. For example, is the system running normally and then the compressor cuts out or does the compressor fail to start when the thermostat calls for AC?

Any Jr. A/C diagnostic sleuths out there?

Here's the problem. Happens intermittently (last time was this morning at 2AM).

A/C stops cooling yet the compressor fan outside continues to run as if all is OK.

Here's what's been done so far:

New Capacitor
New Contactor
New Fan motor
Condensate drain is clear and drain switch tests OK.
Refrigerant is fine

Problem is, every time the repair guy comes out it is working again. It stops cooling usually for a couple hours at random times. Sometimes it can go for 2 weeks without issue then it happens again.

It's an 8+yr old Carrier unit that was part of the original construction (I'm 2nd owner). When it is working it cools perfectly so it isn't a refrigerant issue.

[Chatbrat]

check the following : 1) circuitboard 2) thermostat 3) control wires- loose connections--or a rodent chewing on a control wire-- all mechanical components have been covered

[outahere]

My bet is the start capacitor, even though it has already been changed. We had an issue last summer with the a/c working intermittently (Carrier unit), sometimes it was ok for a few hours, or days, then it wouldn't work, then back to ok. The unit was still under warranty, and the tech from Munns had it fixed within 20 minutes. He told me he replaces at least 20 start capacitors almost every week.

[Chatbrat]

I have an associate-with the same problem--it was the main circuit board in the house unit--they normally croak in 6 years

[n8xwb]

Is the A-coil freezing up?? If it is, not only will it not be cooling well, but you will notice almost no air flowing from your vents.

[EdFNJ]

I have an associate-with the same problem--it was the main circuit board in the house unit--they normally croak in 6 years
Thanks everyone. Now I have something to tell him.

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[EdFNJ]

Is the A-coil freezing up?? If it is, not only will it not be cooling well, but you will notice almost no air flowing from your vents.
Nope. Damn It just happened again. Noticed temp up to 81 while set at 76. Checked outside and inside. No frozen coil inside, fan still spinning outside but coolant pipe is warm. Weird part it just started working again about 45 minutes later.



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[Chatbrat]

more advice=--circuit board in the condensing unit & if its a heat pump, might be the reversing valve coil, not holding the reversing valve open--more info from associate who is in the business

[ggnlars]

How many service calls have you had? The guy should have been able to spot the problem. Normally they have the tools and experience to know what the source is likely to be. I would call the company he works for and try to get someone who knows the system. Your in an age of unit when things start to go wrong. For a while, it will still be cheaper to fix than buy new, but you have to have a solid repair man or the service calls will eat you alive.

[EdFNJ]

How many service calls have you had? The guy should have been able to spot the problem. Normally they have the tools and experience to know what the source is likely to be. I would call the company he works for and try to get someone who knows the system. Your in an age of unit when things start to go wrong. For a while, it will still be cheaper to fix than buy new, but you have to have a solid repair man or the service calls will eat you alive.

Well ...... it's under a home warranty plan so I only pay once. Problem is, after the initial call they aren't happy to return, but they do. Their gripe is (and probably rightfully so) that it is always working when they get here so, says he, they can't "see what's wrong." I'm hoping (legitimately) to drive them so crazy they will just eventually replace the unit. Fortunately for me it works 85% of the time and just randomly shuts down for an hour or 3 whenever it wants. The tech is basically just a "parts replacer" and is overloaded with calls. The right thing would be to have a Carrier Tech sent out but I don't want to pay for that on a system that is pretty much at the end of it's life. So far all I have invested is $100 and some of my free time. Will see how they respond to service call #3 when I call in on Monday. Not sure how much of a real complaint I have if it is always working when they get here.

[retiredguy123]

In my opinion, home warranties are a ripoff. I seriously doubt that they will ever replace the unit.

[EdFNJ]

Not sure about ripoff but definitely a PITA however I have no doubt I will get my money's worth out of it. :evil6: I just plan on keeping it for 1 year.

[Wiotte]

Possible that your compressor is tripping on overtemp. It is an auto reset, which would explain why it works when the tech arrives. Just my 3 cents.


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[Chatbrat]

Please let us know when th A/C is repaired and what the remedy was

[DonH57]

Possible that your compressor is tripping on overtemp. It is an auto reset, which would explain why it works when the tech arrives. Just my 3 cents.


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That is a possiblity since some compressors have a winding stat.

[Nucky]

EdFNJ: "I would say that by listening to that motor there that the amateor sprocket is causing interference which in turn causes the combustion line to interfere with the flow in the dynaflow."

Ralph: "Now what does that mean?"

EdFNJ: "I don't know."

Ed Norton! This should help the Technician or a $Yard$ should condemn you A/C unit!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I have had that problem before. Outside unit was freezing up. Called son-in-law, an HVAC guy who told me to change filter. Bingo.

[EdFNJ]

Possible that your compressor is tripping on overtemp. It is an auto reset, which would explain why it works when the tech arrives. Just my 3 cents.


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That's my bet as well. If it wasn't so hot and if my (garden) hose reached the back I'd remove the cover and clean the coils first.


Please let us know when th A/C is repaired and what the remedy was

I hope I know myself (short of buying a new system). :)

EdFNJ: "I would say that by listening to that motor there that the amateor sprocket is causing interference which in turn causes the combustion line to interfere with the flow in the dynaflow."

Ralph: "Now what does that mean?"

EdFNJ: "I don't know."

Ed Norton! This should help the Technician or a $Yard$ should condemn you A/C unit!

Now THERE"S man who knows what he is saying!

I have had that problem before. Outside unit was freezing up. Called son-in-law, an HVAC guy who told me to change filter. Bingo.

Filter is new. Wish it were that simple. I think it's overheating just like the rest of us in this weather.

[ggnlars]

This is why I have a service contract with a HVAC company that specializes in the brand of the unit. All of these things that people are suggesting, are done two or three times a year depending on the plan. Additionally, critters love to nest in the compressor control unit. It is protected, warm when the nights are cool and the wire make for good eating until they get fried by a short. This last is not your issue now, but a solid tech would have already done all of the things that have been suggested and more, until the problem is solved. Fluky things happen with machines in the field. You hire the specialist to be able to fix what is necessary.
We close in August and that contract is high on my list to get in place.

[Wiotte]

This is why I have a service contract with a HVAC company that specializes in the brand of the unit. All of these things that people are suggesting, are done two or three times a year depending on the plan. Additionally, critters love to nest in the compressor control unit. It is protected, warm when the nights are cool and the wire make for good eating until they get fried by a short. This last is not your issue now, but a solid tech would have already done all of the things that have been suggested and more, until the problem is solved. Fluky things happen with machines in the field. You hire the specialist to be able to fix what is necessary.
We close in August and that contract is high on my list to get in place.



"Specializes in the brand of the unit" All residential split units are essentially the same. What REALLY matters is the competency of the technician. Unfortunately not too many exist in the residential field. And when they do exist, quickly move from residential to commercial/industrial. That is a fact. The best you could hope for is a easy fix if and when it breaks.


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[biker1]

Since you are moving to Osceola Hills I assume you are buying a new home?? If so, the HVAC equipment will come with a 10 year parts/5 year labor warranty. To maintain the warranty, you will need to have an annual maintenance checkup. There is no need for more than one checkup per year and no need for a service contract.

This is why I have a service contract with a HVAC company that specializes in the brand of the unit. All of these things that people are suggesting, are done two or three times a year depending on the plan. Additionally, critters love to nest in the compressor control unit. It is protected, warm when the nights are cool and the wire make for good eating until they get fried by a short. This last is not your issue now, but a solid tech would have already done all of the things that have been suggested and more, until the problem is solved. Fluky things happen with machines in the field. You hire the specialist to be able to fix what is necessary.
We close in August and that contract is high on my list to get in place.

[jeriteri]

Nope. Damn It just happened again. Noticed temp up to 81 while set at 76. Checked outside and inside. No frozen coil inside, fan still spinning outside but coolant pipe is warm. Weird part it just started working again about 45 minutes later.



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I think it's your drain is still plugged. If you have an air hose blow it out good again and then pour vinegar in it every week.

[sail33or]

Yes, it sounds exactly like the condensate has to build up (causing shutoff switch to close) then when condensate is high enough, it pushes out and the switch opens again. So condensate line is operating but must have some type of partial obstruction.

[Chatbrat]

I've ben told that besides the switch in the condensate line there might be a float switch in a pan--check that switch also

[autumnspring]

Any Jr. A/C diagnostic sleuths out there?

Here's the problem. Happens intermittently (last time was this morning at 2AM).

A/C stops cooling yet the compressor fan outside continues to run as if all is OK.

Here's what's been done so far:

New Capacitor
New Contactor
New Fan motor
Condensate drain is clear and drain switch tests OK.
Refrigerant is fine

Problem is, every time the repair guy comes out it is working again. It stops cooling usually for a couple hours at random times. Sometimes it can go for 2 weeks without issue then it happens again.

It's an 8+yr old Carrier unit that was part of the original construction (I'm 2nd owner). When it is working it cools perfectly so it isn't a refrigerant issue.

There is a home show on 96.5 FM 7am sunday morning.
You might try calling them. Of course have all the info you can available. Unit serial number, a list of what has been checked, replaced etc.

In your posts you have said you are considering replacing the unit. Ours is three years old installed by the builder.
Ours is 13 SEER-it is posted on the unit and I think that was the minimum that they could install at the time.
I did notice that at Fenny they are using 15 SEER. The difference is 13%. Would you save 13% in your heating and cooling costs? That might be an interesting question to ask.

As you well know an intermittent problem is the most difficult one to find.

[EdFNJ]

I think it's your drain is still plugged. If you have an air hose blow it out good again and then pour vinegar in it every week.

Been there don't that. Also tested the shutoff switch on the drain. When system WAS NOT functioning switch was showing properly opened circuit. Also tested continuity across switch and that too is properly functioning. Also high pressure hosed through drain and it is completely clear.

[EdFNJ]

There is a home show on 96.5 FM 7am sunday morning.
You might try calling them. Of course have all the info you can available. Unit serial number, a list of what has been checked, replaced etc.

In your posts you have said you are considering replacing the unit. Ours is three years old installed by the builder.
Ours is 13 SEER-it is posted on the unit and I think that was the minimum that they could install at the time.
I did notice that at Fenny they are using 15 SEER. The difference is 13%. Would you save 13% in your heating and cooling costs? That might be an interesting question to ask.

As you well know an intermittent problem is the most difficult one to find.


Thanks ..... we are 2nd owners of this home and ours is the original unit (9 yrs old) and is 13 seer which I believe is (was?) the minimum code requirement.

Electricity rates are relatively low here so that saving VERY optimistically 15% would be around $20 month so considering probably close to $1000 difference in equipment cost it would take probably ~5 years to amortize so it's probably worth it from that point assuming I want the larger out of pocket expense.

[biker1]

My 3 year old home has a 15 SEER Carrier System.

There is a home show on 96.5 FM 7am sunday morning.
You might try calling them. Of course have all the info you can available. Unit serial number, a list of what has been checked, replaced etc.

In your posts you have said you are considering replacing the unit. Ours is three years old installed by the builder.
Ours is 13 SEER-it is posted on the unit and I think that was the minimum that they could install at the time.
I did notice that at Fenny they are using 15 SEER. The difference is 13%. Would you save 13% in your heating and cooling costs? That might be an interesting question to ask.

As you well know an intermittent problem is the most difficult one to find.