voter fraud commission

[jebartle]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission?

[Taltarzac725]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission?

Not while this is controlled by Donald John Trump and his minions.

[dbussone]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission?



All they need to do is ask the NSA for it.


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[wjboyer1]

All they need to do is ask the NSA for it.


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With a subpoena or a court suit: each requires a detailed legal reason for needing such information....

[rubicon]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission?

so you believe providing documentation to support the fact that you are who you say you are and that you are a legal United State citizen who has the right and privilege to vote is an invasion of your privacy? if so then don't vote.

Frankly, I am offended and greatly concerned that the integrity of our voting system, a system so critical to our preservation of freedoms is being compromised by unscrupulous people whose only agenda is to gain more power for them and continue to strip us of our basic freedoms.

You sir, are marching yourself down the road to perdition and I for one do not want to go there

Personal Best Regards:

[wjboyer1]

so you believe providing documentation to support the fact that you are who you say you are and that you are a legal United State citizen who has the right and privilege to vote is an invasion of your privacy? if so then don't vote.

SIMILAR ARGUMENT MADE SO GUN OWNERS CAN REMAIN ANONYMOUS......

Frankly, I am offended and greatly concerned that the integrity of our voting system, a system so critical to our preservation of freedoms is being compromised by unscrupulous people whose only agenda is to gain more power for them and continue to strip us of our basic freedoms.

70198

An election judge in Madison County, Illinois, was charged with two felony counts of election fraud for allegedly submitting an absentee ballot on behalf of her deceased husband. Audrey Cook, 88, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch she received the ballots in the mail shortly after her longtime spouse passed away, in September. She said he’d made it clear he intended to vote for Trump.

Ex-head of Colorado Republicans charged with voter fraud | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-voterfraud-idUSKBN16T37X)
AP: Trump’s voter fraud expert registered in 3 states (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/30/trump-voter-fraud-expert/97268306/)

Trump's Bogus Voter Fraud Claims - FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/)

You sir, are marching yourself down the road to perdition and I for one do not want to go there

Personal Best Regards:

70199

[rubicon]

the primary reason the left gets away with specious arguments such that voter fraud does not exist or that providing voter ID before voting gains credence is because the main street media promotes thes spacious arguments ad nauseam and withholds the truths.

Personal Best Regards:

[Taltarzac725]

I am just scared this information would wind up in the mailing list for Trump products or those of his business friends.

[dbussone]

With a subpoena or a court suit: each requires a detailed legal reason for needing such information....



You are certainly correct. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out so well. Just ask Susan Rice.


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[wjboyer1]

the primary reason the left gets away with specious arguments such that voter fraud does not exist or that providing voter ID before voting gains credence is because the main street media promotes thes spacious arguments ad nauseam and withholds the truths.

Personal Best Regards:

Interesting how there was no "Fake News" until Trump started saying it......and he says it is "Fake News" if he doesn't like it, it shows that the facts contradict him, or that the "media" does not agree with him.....

[Sandtrap328]

so you believe providing documentation to support the fact that you are who you say you are and that you are a legal United State citizen who has the right and privilege to vote is an invasion of your privacy? if so then don't vote.

Frankly, I am offended and greatly concerned that the integrity of our voting system, a system so critical to our preservation of freedoms is being compromised by unscrupulous people whose only agenda is to gain more power for them and continue to strip us of our basic freedoms.

You sir, are marching yourself down the road to perdition and I for one do not want to go there

Personal Best Regards:

Rubicon,
You are on your mighty high horse once again.

IF the Democrats wanted the information, YOU would be ranting and raving about invasion of privacy.

Get off your high horse - and bite me!

[Rockyrd]

so you believe providing documentation to support the fact that you are who you say you are and that you are a legal United State citizen who has the right and privilege to vote is an invasion of your privacy? if so then don't vote.

Frankly, I am offended and greatly concerned that the integrity of our voting system, a system so critical to our preservation of freedoms is being compromised by unscrupulous people whose only agenda is to gain more power for them and continue to strip us of our basic freedoms.

You sir, are marching yourself down the road to perdition and I for one do not want to go there

Personal Best Regards:

Frankly, what I find offensive is that YOU and the President do not seem troubled that a foreign country.....and a clear and constant enemy or foe of our country.....attempted to sway our last election and continues to operate.

THAT does not seem to bother any of you. You are more interested in supporting a total sham of investigation and one that was only allowed because Trump is still in election mode and shot off his big mouth about fraud with ZERO substantiation.

No, if you are concerned, be concerned by the foreign interference, but it does not seem that you give a damn about that at all. Do not think I ever heard you say it even was even a slight concern to you.

[Rockyrd]

the primary reason the left gets away with specious arguments such that voter fraud does not exist or that providing voter ID before voting gains credence is because the main street media promotes thes spacious arguments ad nauseam and withholds the truths.

Personal Best Regards:

PLEASE...AGAIN you accuse people.

WHAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION IS BEING WITHHELD....WHAT TRUTHS ARE YOU TALKNG ABOUT ?

You can never back up any accusations. You simply bark out what Trump tells you and NEVER EVER are able to back anything up.

Seems ACCUSING with never a reason given or logic provided is simply a new thing with your alt right haters.

[ColdNoMore]

Frankly, what I find offensive is that YOU and the President do not seem troubled that a foreign country.....and a clear and constant enemy or foe of our country.....attempted to sway our last election and continues to operate.

THAT does not seem to bother any of you. You are more interested in supporting a total sham of investigation and one that was only allowed because Trump is still in election mode and shot off his big mouth about fraud with ZERO substantiation.

No, if you are concerned, be concerned by the foreign interference, but it does not seem that you give a damn about that at all. Do not think I ever heard you say it even was even a slight concern to you.

Putin has to still be laughing his azz off...at succeeding in helping get this buffoon elected.

It is no secret that Putin hates and fears Hillary, but I'll bet even he didn't realize how easy Chump could be manipulated, due to his being clueless how the world works outside of real estate deals...and his megalomania and super-inflated ego. :oops:

I just wish I had a $1 for every time Putin says privately in Russian... 'Trump's my bitch.' :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Allegiance]

Immigrant Who Voted Illegally on Road to Becoming a U.S. Citizen | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/26/immigrant-voted-illegally-seeks-citizen-dhss-help.html)
Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote? | On Air Videos | Fox Business (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips)

Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html)

Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)

Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/)


Overreacting to Russia revealing hard true facts about scumbag Democrats as election interference yet downplaying actual election fraud by people at the ballot booths proves what scumbags the liberals actually are.

[ColdNoMore]

Immigrant Who Voted Illegally on Road to Becoming a U.S. Citizen | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/26/immigrant-voted-illegally-seeks-citizen-dhss-help.html)
Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote? | On Air Videos | Fox Business (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips)

Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html)

Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)

Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/)


Overreacting to Russia revealing hard true facts about scumbag Democrats as election interference yet downplaying actual election fraud by people at the ballot booths proves what scumbags the liberals actually are.

:1rotfl:

NO ONE has said that there aren't occasions...where voter fraud has occurred.

In fact, it seems that these extremely rare cases are actually pretty equally divided...between R's and D's.

It's exactly this type of pathetic reaching, by touting a specific case and trying to apply it across the board or on a significant scale...is when your ignorance is truly exposed. :ho:

Oh yeah, here's a hint for you...the Washington Times is probably the newspaper with the most fake news (ALL from a Republican perspective)... in the entire United States (just a little below Faux News). :oops:

Eye-opening however, to know that you're complete apathy regarding Russia working to get Trump elected...means that you are a secret commie and Russian thug supporter. :ohdear:

Sooooo...at least thanks for that. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Allegiance]

Like the fake news of being 78 years old. Poopy pants, let's see how many illegals will not note next election... lol

[cologal]

All they need to do is ask the NSA for it.


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Heck no just ask the Russians for it!

[ColdNoMore]

Heck no just ask the Russians for it!



:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl: OH SNAP! :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Joe De Vito]

Immigrant Who Voted Illegally on Road to Becoming a U.S. Citizen | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/26/immigrant-voted-illegally-seeks-citizen-dhss-help.html)
Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote? | On Air Videos | Fox Business (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips)

Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html)

Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)

Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/)


Overreacting to Russia revealing hard true facts about scumbag Democrats as election interference yet downplaying actual election fraud by people at the ballot booths proves what scumbags the liberals actually are.

Fox News, and Washington Times! Seriously. Now, there are two real bastions of open minded reporting. They would never take the Republicans over the Democrats. Hell no. They are "fair and balanced".

Trump lost the popular vote. Only a fool and Trump would think otherwise. This commission to look into voter fraud is a complete joke. Trump's ego is hurt. When you attack Trump, he hits back ten times harder. He will never let the truth stand in the way of his childish rants. The prize for stupidity goes to anyone that believes this clown.

[Joe De Vito]

PLEASE...AGAIN you accuse people.

WHAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION IS BEING WITHHELD....WHAT TRUTHS ARE YOU TALKNG ABOUT ?

You can never back up any accusations. You simply bark out what Trump tells you and NEVER EVER are able to back anything up.

Seems ACCUSING with never a reason given or logic provided is simply a new thing with your alt right haters.

Don't expect an answer from Personal Best Regards. If you haven't noticed, he doesn't respond to anyone that doesn't agree with everything he posts. He is the poster boy for a closed minded individual.

[ColdNoMore]

Don't expect an answer from Personal Best Regards. If you haven't noticed, he doesn't respond to anyone that doesn't agree with everything he posts. He is the poster boy for a closed minded individual.

That, his plagiarism and the fact that he has NEVER provided (or doesn't know how to) a link to support his constant lies, is exactly why RubiTHECon has earned the moniker of being a...'pseudo-intellectual.' :ohdear:

[Allegiance]

It's illegal to spit in Daytona Beach Florida. No tickets issued, so I assume no one spits there.

Without a real investigation we don't know. Kinda like the hillary investigations which were not investigations. Hillary not arrested so she did no wrong. Lol


Liberals lack logic. I will be printing and distributing that bumper sticker.

[Allegiance]

That, his plagiarism and the fact that he has NEVER provided (or doesn't know how to) a link to support his constant lies, is exactly why RubiTHECon has earned the moniker of being a...'pseudo-intellectual.' :ohdear:Really poopy pants. Lol

Says the 78 year old...

[ColdNoMore]

Immigrant Who Voted Illegally on Road to Becoming a U.S. Citizen | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/26/immigrant-voted-illegally-seeks-citizen-dhss-help.html)
Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote? | On Air Videos | Fox Business (http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5198894475001/?#sp=show-clips)

Mexican woman in Texas sentenced to 8 years in prison for voter fraud | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html)

Hillary Clinton received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, bolsters Trump argument, study finds - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)

Nearly 2 million non-citizen Hispanics illegally registered to vote - Washington Times (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/)


Overreacting to Russia revealing hard true facts about scumbag Democrats as election interference yet downplaying actual election fraud by people at the ballot booths proves what scumbags the liberals actually are.


Scumbag? :1rotfl:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/voter-fraud-case-tied-to-iowan-woman-voting-for-trump-twice/
A woman from Des Moines, Iowa, pleaded guilty to election misconduct for attempting to cast two separate ballots in the 2016 presidential election for then-Republican nominee Donald Trump.


Or just another Trump Cultist moron? :D

Rote told police why she tried to vote more than once. She was convinced her first vote for Mr. Trump would be manipulated and changed to a vote for then-Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. According to her statement to the police, Rote believed Mr. Trump's claims about widespread election rigging.

[Joe De Vito]

It's illegal to spit in Daytona Beach Florida. No tickets issued, so I assume no one spits there.

Without a real investigation we don't know. Kinda like the hillary investigations which were not investigations. Hillary not arrested so she did no wrong. Lol


Liberals lack logic. I will be printing and distributing that bumper sticker.

Liberals lack logic. Logic is the only thing Republicans require like the logic behind seven Benghazi hearings all with the same conclusion. we all know what the definition of insanity is. I guess you can be logical and totally insane at the same time.

When Trump speaks, the totally insane listen, and agree with his every word. He is not lying. He is just giving a different version of the truth.

[Chi-Town]

Like the fake news of being 78 years old. Poopy pants, let's see how many illegals will not note next election... lol
Al, you're 78? Explains a lot. '39 was a rough year.

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[Allegiance]

Al, you're 78? Explains a lot. '39 was a rough year.

Sent from my VS995 using TapatalkThere is a new Sheriff in town. It will grow on you.

Law and order also means zero tolerance for voter fraud. ZERO

[wjboyer1]

So, the thread has again burrowed into the depths of personal attacks and libtards vs trumptards........

One of the pillars of the Republican platform is STATES RIGHTS, and, constitutionally, elections are a right of each state. Therefore, the Federal government has NO standing when asking for, or demanding, ANY voter information from the indivdual states.

So, if you are Republican, you should be questioning why a Republican president, which is supported by a Republican Congress, is asking something that is totally AGAINST the viewpoints of Republicans.

It is NOT a liberal vs conservative issue.....it is a legal and constitutional issue. So, put away your personal attacks on the mental capabilities of either political isle and start using the way of the Constitution.......as true Americans should.

[rubicon]

Interesting how there was no "Fake News" until Trump started saying it......and he says it is "Fake News" if he doesn't like it, it shows that the facts contradict him, or that the "media" does not agree with him.....

Perhaps it was missed on you but the MSM has been treating its readership under an agenda called the "mushroom theory". All Trump did was call the out.

You know this to be true but you hate Trump more than you do the dishonest media

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

So, the thread has again burrowed into the depths of personal attacks and libtards vs trumptards........

One of the pillars of the Republican platform is STATES RIGHTS, and, constitutionally, elections are a right of each state. Therefore, the Federal government has NO standing when asking for, or demanding, ANY voter information from the indivdual states.

So, if you are Republican, you should be questioning why a Republican president, which is supported by a Republican Congress, is asking something that is totally AGAINST the viewpoints of Republicans.

It is NOT a liberal vs conservative issue.....it is a legal and constitutional issue. So, put away your personal attacks on the mental capabilities of either political isle and start using the way of the Constitution.......as true Americans should.

Well for starters the same reason why Trump is sending federal assistance to Chicago because they do not know how to maintain law and order

I am a big supporter of the 10th Amendment. So I am pleased to see your concern here. Will you support medicaid block grants to states so that we can move forward with the repeal and replacement of OBAMACARE?

Will you push back against the federal governments expansion efforts?

The founders created the federal government to serve the states in three general areas Defense, Treasury, Commerce..and here we are with a federal budget that is primarily allotted to entitlements. Do we really need the Departments of Education, Energy, Housing? Should the Departments of Agriculture, Environment be monoliths? You get my point and I hope you get behind the 10th Amendment.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

So, the thread has again burrowed into the depths of personal attacks and libtards vs trumptards........

One of the pillars of the Republican platform is STATES RIGHTS, and, constitutionally, elections are a right of each state. Therefore, the Federal government has NO standing when asking for, or demanding, ANY voter information from the indivdual states.

So, if you are Republican, you should be questioning why a Republican president, which is supported by a Republican Congress, is asking something that is totally AGAINST the viewpoints of Republicans.

It is NOT a liberal vs conservative issue.....it is a legal and constitutional issue. So, put away your personal attacks on the mental capabilities of either political isle and start using the way of the Constitution.......as true Americans should.

Just want to support your thinking and your post.

There are folks on here, like the poster you reply to, who will support anything and everything that Trump says.

Someday, we will wake up and find with Trump, our debt is greater, our security is less, and it is all about federal control.

Steve Bannon is running the country, and his wish is to rip it apart first, and begin with the media, for example.

The poster to whom you reply is most assuredly going to agree with Trump on any conspiracy theory that Bannon feeds him.

Just know I support what you say about this sham of a commission. A commission that is supported only because those Trump followers will do and say what he wants, no matter the total and complete lack of facts.

Still waiting for these folks to supply the lies from the media. Still waiting for them to ever condemn Russian attempts to sway our election. They are tuned in to only defending Trump, no matter the hypocrisy, as in this commission, involved.

I am willing to give Trump a chance, but he is flying in the face of conservatism thought AND patriotism.

[dirtbanker]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission?

What would I care? Seems like the IRS already has the party affiliation information (remember they were targeting Republicans when Obama was in office), my SS#, DOB...it is the government after all.

[wjboyer1]

Well for starters the same reason why Trump is sending federal assistance to Chicago because they do not know how to maintain law and order

I am a big supporter of the 10th Amendment. So I am pleased to see your concern here. Will you support medicaid block grants to states so that we can move forward with the repeal and replacement of OBAMACARE?

Will you push back against the federal governments expansion efforts?

The founders created the federal government to serve the states in three general areas Defense, Treasury, Commerce..and here we are with a federal budget that is primarily allotted to entitlements. Do we really need the Departments of Education, Energy, Housing? Should the Departments of Agriculture, Environment be monoliths? You get my point and I hope you get behind the 10th Amendment.

Personal Best Regards:

A deflection away from the theme of this thread......but it is interesting that the largest departments of the Federal Government were started by Republican administrations and Congress, the most regulations were enacted by Republican administrations, the highest increases in national debt were overseen by Republican administrations, the highest unemployment numbers were during Republican administrations.......

Evidently, there is a very real disconnect between Republican rhetoric and reality; and now, that disconnect is becoming very apparent.

So why, then, does a Republican administration actually want names, addresses, last 4 numbers of people's social security numbers to investigate voter fraud? It has been argued that voter fraud which has only 2 components: personal multiple voting, and mailed ballot fraud.

Sensationalist claims have circulated this election season about the extent of voter fraud, with some politicians going so far as to tell voters to fear that this November’s election will be “rigged.” Because electoral integrity is one of the elements necessary to making America the greatest democracy in the world, claims like this garner media attention, and frighten and concern voters.

The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent.Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth | Brennan Center for Justice (https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth)

Yes, there have been cases of voter fraud, but the minuscule number of cases lends to the question: Why does a Republican administration appoint a committee to investigate voter fraud, when there have been so few cases that are documented?

One can speculate that there are other intentions, and in an atmosphere charged with actions that suggest voter suppression, and manipulation of voter opinion by targeted trolling by foreign nationals and governments, there should be a truly rock solid reason, backed by verifiable statistics, to assume that this voter commission is actually in America's best interest.

[Allegiance]

It's illegal to spit in Daytona Beach Florida. No tickets issued, so I assume no one spits there.

Without a real investigation we don't know. Kinda like the hillary investigations which were not investigations. Hillary not arrested so she did no wrong. Lol


Liberals lack logic. I will be printing and distributing that bumper sticker.Worth repeating. Maybe I should put it in the library thread .... lol

[Don Baldwin]

Just want to support your thinking and your post.

There are folks on here, like the poster you reply to, who will support anything and everything that Trump says.

Someday, we will wake up and find with Trump, our debt is greater, our security is less, and it is all about federal control.

Steve Bannon is running the country, and his wish is to rip it apart first, and begin with the media, for example.

The poster to whom you reply is most assuredly going to agree with Trump on any conspiracy theory that Bannon feeds him.

Just know I support what you say about this sham of a commission. A commission that is supported only because those Trump followers will do and say what he wants, no matter the total and complete lack of facts.

Still waiting for these folks to supply the lies from the media. Still waiting for them to ever condemn Russian attempts to sway our election. They are tuned in to only defending Trump, no matter the hypocrisy, as in this commission, involved.

I am willing to give Trump a chance, but he is flying in the face of conservatism thought AND patriotism.

Millions did the same for Obama...you probably supported Obama as fervently.

The debt is expanding exponentially...there is no good that will come from it.

A deflection away from the theme of this thread......but it is interesting that the largest departments of the Federal Government were started by Republican administrations and Congress, the most regulations were enacted by Republican administrations, the highest increases in national debt were overseen by Republican administrations, the highest unemployment numbers were during Republican administrations.......

Evidently, there is a very real disconnect between Republican rhetoric and reality; and now, that disconnect is becoming very apparent.

So why, then, does a Republican administration actually want names, addresses, last 4 numbers of people's social security numbers to investigate voter fraud? It has been argued that voter fraud which has only 2 components: personal multiple voting, and mailed ballot fraud.

Sensationalist claims have circulated this election season about the extent of voter fraud, with some politicians going so far as to tell voters to fear that this November’s election will be “rigged.” Because electoral integrity is one of the elements necessary to making America the greatest democracy in the world, claims like this garner media attention, and frighten and concern voters.

The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent.Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth | Brennan Center for Justice (https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth)

Yes, there have been cases of voter fraud, but the minuscule number of cases lends to the question: Why does a Republican administration appoint a committee to investigate voter fraud, when there have been so few cases that are documented?

One can speculate that there are other intentions, and in an atmosphere charged with actions that suggest voter suppression, and manipulation of voter opinion by targeted trolling by foreign nationals and governments, there should be a truly rock solid reason, backed by verifiable statistics, to assume that this voter commission is actually in America's best interest.

Huh? Obama doubled it, he added almost $10 trillion. Obama added MORE debt than ALL the previous 43 before him. You liberals really don't have a grasp on reality.

The "fraud" in voting is that the ONLY two candidates we get to choose from...BOTH work for the "system". The two party political system. The government is OWNED by the rich and powerful. Government make people wealthy...and powerful....psychopaths/sociopaths thrive on it/in it.

It's all fixed and you can't change it.

[wjboyer1]

Millions did the same for Obama...you probably supported Obama as fervently.

The debt is expanding exponentially...there is no good that will come from it.



Huh? Obama doubled it, he added almost $10 trillion. Obama added MORE debt than ALL the previous 43 before him. You liberals really don't have a grasp on reality.

The "fraud" in voting is that the ONLY two candidates we get to choose from...BOTH work for the "system". The two party political system. The government is OWNED by the rich and powerful. Government make people wealthy...and powerful....psychopaths/sociopaths thrive on it/in it.

It's all fixed and you can't change it.

Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, a 186 percent increase from the $998 billion debt at the end of Carter's last budget, FY 1981.

George H.W. Bush: Added $1.554 trillion, a 54 percent increase from the $2.8 trillion debt at the end of Reagan's last budget, FY 1989.

Bill Clinton: Added $1.396 trillion, a 32 percent increase from the $4.4 trillion debt at the end of George H.W. Bush's last budget, FY 1993.

George W. Bush: Added $5.849 trillion, a 101 percent increase from the $5.8 trillion debt at the end of Clinton's last budget, FY 2001.

Obama added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise.

But getting back to the theme of the thread.....Trump says states are ‘trying to hide’ things from his voter fraud commission. Here’s what they actually say. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/01/trump-says-states-are-trying-to-hide-things-from-his-voter-fraud-commission-heres-what-they-actually-say/?utm_term=.397b521c3248)

[Abby10]

Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, a 186 percent increase from the $998 billion debt at the end of Carter's last budget, FY 1981.

George H.W. Bush: Added $1.554 trillion, a 54 percent increase from the $2.8 trillion debt at the end of Reagan's last budget, FY 1989.

Bill Clinton: Added $1.396 trillion, a 32 percent increase from the $4.4 trillion debt at the end of George H.W. Bush's last budget, FY 1993.

George W. Bush: Added $5.849 trillion, a 101 percent increase from the $5.8 trillion debt at the end of Clinton's last budget, FY 2001.

Obama added $7.917 trillion, a 68 percent increase, in seven years. This was the fifth-largest increase percentage-wise.

But getting back to the theme of the thread.....Trump says states are ‘trying to hide’ things from his voter fraud commission. Here’s what they actually say. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/01/trump-says-states-are-trying-to-hide-things-from-his-voter-fraud-commission-heres-what-they-actually-say/?utm_term=.397b521c3248)

Wouldn't this be a more pertinent number to look at in evaluating the state of the nation economically under each President?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/#4a666b26600b

Just wondering, as I am no economist, but this seems to give a more telling picture.

Again, back to OP, it seems as if both parties have complained about voter fraud in one way or another over the past several presidential cycles. So what's the harm in looking into it?

[wjboyer1]

Wouldn't this be a more pertinent number to look at in evaluating the state of the nation economically under each President?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesglassman/2012/07/11/the-facts-about-budget-deficits-how-the-presidents-truly-rank/#4a666b26600b

Just wondering, as I am no economist, but this seems to give a more telling picture.

Again, back to OP, it seems as if both parties have complained about voter fraud in one way or another over the past several presidential cycles. So what's the harm in looking into it?

In my opinion, there are already methodologies in place on a State by State basis to address voter fraud, the commission of a federal task force is out of bounds.

[ColdNoMore]

In my opinion, there are already methodologies in place on a State by State basis to address voter fraud, the commission of a federal task force is out of bounds.

It's simply an attempted red herring, to divert the focus on the Russians helping Chump get elected.

And the fact that Trump is still seething that he lost the popular vote legitimately...and his ego just won't let it go.

He exhibits so many traits of the average temper tantrum prone two year old...it still boggles the mind that so many voted for (and still blindly support) him. :oops:

[Rockyrd]

It's simply an attempted red herring, to divert the focus on the Russians helping Chump get elected.

And the fact that Trump is still seething that he lost the popular vote legitimately...and his ego just won't let it go.

He exhibits so many traits of the average temper tantrum prone two year old...it still boggles the mind that so many voted for (and still blindly support) him. :oops:

This morning Trump is actually touting he and Putin working together on cyber crime.

This tweet from Marco Rubio captures ...

"Partnering with Putin on a "Cyber Security Unit" is akin to partnering with Assad on a "Chemical Weapons Unit".

[wjboyer1]

State election officials worry about 2018 election security | PBS NewsHour (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/state-election-officials-worry-2018-election-security/)

[Chi-Town]

This morning Trump is actually touting he and Putin working together on cyber crime.

This tweet from Marco Rubio captures ...

"Partnering with Putin on a "Cyber Security Unit" is akin to partnering with Assad on a "Chemical Weapons Unit".

Rubio's tweet is one of the better GOP responses. Trump is becoming a comedy show.


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[Rockyrd]

Rubio's tweet is one of the better GOP responses. Trump is becoming a comedy show.


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Interesting to note that Donald, Jr....Manafort and Kushner are quickly changing their paperwork to reflect Russian meetings that "slipped" their minds.

Of course the meeting or meetings were last July. Son, campaign mgr (at that time) and son in law attended meeting. Nothing nefarious there.

Jr. quoted today as emphatically saying the President did not attend or even know about his son, mgr and son in law meeting with Russian about the campaign.

A novel with all this "smoke" would never sell....to far "out"

[dirtbanker]

Anyone else notice how much the boy and rockface sound similar?? Both steal others words...no thoughts of their own...

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[dirtbanker]

Even the wackadoodle has his own thoughts...yes they are weird as hell

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[wjboyer1]

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[rubicon]

A deflection away from the theme of this thread......but it is interesting that the largest departments of the Federal Government were started by Republican administrations and Congress, the most regulations were enacted by Republican administrations, the highest increases in national debt were overseen by Republican administrations, the highest unemployment numbers were during Republican administrations.......

Evidently, there is a very real disconnect between Republican rhetoric and reality; and now, that disconnect is becoming very apparent.

So why, then, does a Republican administration actually want names, addresses, last 4 numbers of people's social security numbers to investigate voter fraud? It has been argued that voter fraud which has only 2 components: personal multiple voting, and mailed ballot fraud.

Sensationalist claims have circulated this election season about the extent of voter fraud, with some politicians going so far as to tell voters to fear that this November’s election will be “rigged.” Because electoral integrity is one of the elements necessary to making America the greatest democracy in the world, claims like this garner media attention, and frighten and concern voters.

The Brennan Center’s seminal report on this issue, The Truth About Voter Fraud, found that most reported incidents of voter fraud are actually traceable to other sources, such as clerical errors or bad data matching practices. The report reviewed elections that had been meticulously studied for voter fraud, and found incident rates between 0.0003 percent and 0.0025 percent.Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth | Brennan Center for Justice (https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth)

Yes, there have been cases of voter fraud, but the minuscule number of cases lends to the question: Why does a Republican administration appoint a committee to investigate voter fraud, when there have been so few cases that are documented?

One can speculate that there are other intentions, and in an atmosphere charged with actions that suggest voter suppression, and manipulation of voter opinion by targeted trolling by foreign nationals and governments, there should be a truly rock solid reason, backed by verifiable statistics, to assume that this voter commission is actually in America's best interest.

Au contraire: my comments addressed a specific claim made by a poster who referred to Republicans reference for State's Rights.

You however, not only deflect, you make unsubstantiated claims.

Honestly I am angry with a number of Republicans because they are not living up to their promises.

I am disgusted with a number of progressives because they continue a campaign of hatred and pettiness. worse yet you have people in your ranks such as Di Blasio who admittedly is a devoted marxist and whom I make book will run in the 2020 presidential campaign. he will draw the Sanders devotees

There is little incentive to invest in the political debates today because there is little of substance and less of honesty. Look at the flip remarks coming from a number of posters on Political Talk, many of whom have been banished to the Ignored List .

Politics was always unappetizing but today it amounts to manifest revolution

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Interesting to note that Donald, Jr....Manafort and Kushner are quickly changing their paperwork to reflect Russian meetings that "slipped" their minds.

Of course the meeting or meetings were last July. Son, campaign mgr (at that time) and son in law attended meeting. Nothing nefarious there.

Jr. quoted today as emphatically saying the President did not attend or even know about his son, mgr and son in law meeting with Russian about the campaign.

A novel with all this "smoke" would never sell....to far "out"

It's only interesting to you liberals. That was a ten minute meeting, according to the NYT (which has no credibility) about Russian adoptions. Big deal, nothing illegal about it. Only the left would attempt to invent something from nothing.

Funny how no amount of meetings between Hillary and Russia and the subsequent millions deposited by the Clintons is interesting to the left.

But, keep throwing manure at the wall, and I am sure something will stick. Can't wait to see Hillary indicted and see if she rolls over on Obama. Talk about corruption.

[Rockyrd]

Au contraire: my comments addressed a specific claim made by a poster who referred to Republicans reference for State's Rights.

You however, not only deflect, you make unsubstantiated claims.

Honestly I am angry with a number of Republicans because they are not living up to their promises.

I am disgusted with a number of progressives because they continue a campaign of hatred and pettiness. worse yet you have people in your ranks such as Di Blasio who admittedly is a devoted marxist and whom I make book will run in the 2020 presidential campaign. he will draw the Sanders devotees

There is little incentive to invest in the political debates today because there is little of substance and less of honesty. Look at the flip remarks coming from a number of posters on Political Talk, many of whom have been banished to the Ignored List .

Politics was always unappetizing but today it amounts to manifest revolution

Personal Best Regards:

Bottom line of this post is ...ONLY you post truths, all other posters should be relagated to ignore while you preach.

As a reminder, YOU NEVER EVER give links or data to make your case.

YOU never reply to direct, reasonable questions.

But you seem to think you own the truth.....a man who plagiarizes, who has copied from Russian websites, and who condemns millions and millions of other Americans in every post.

I oppose the President, even though I have said many time that I could support policies. YOU on the other hand on a daily basis condemn ALL progressives, and support everything the President says or accuses someone else of, with NO exception.

[Bayco]

So, the thread has again burrowed into the depths of personal attacks and libtards vs trumptards........

One of the pillars of the Republican platform is STATES RIGHTS, and, constitutionally, elections are a right of each state. Therefore, the Federal government has NO standing when asking for, or demanding, ANY voter information from the indivdual states.

So, if you are Republican, you should be questioning why a Republican president, which is supported by a Republican Congress, is asking something that is totally AGAINST the viewpoints of Republicans.

It is NOT a liberal vs conservative issue.....it is a legal and constitutional issue. So, put away your personal attacks on the mental capabilities of either political isle and start using the way of the Constitution.......as true Americans should.

Well said!

[Allegiance]

Anyone else notice how much the boy and rockface sound similar?? Both steal others words...no thoughts of their own...

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkThe upside is they are so old and decrepit inside and out that we won't have to hear from them in the trumps 2nd, 3rd or 4th terms.



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[mellincf]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission? Ask yourself if it was the Obama Administration wanting this information, how would you react?

[mellincf]

"Russia is a full-scope cyber actor that will remain a major threat to US Government, military, diplomatic, commercial, and critical infrastructure," -Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats says.

[Don Baldwin]

"Russia is a full-scope cyber actor that will remain a major threat to US Government, military, diplomatic, commercial, and critical infrastructure," -Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats says.

Propaganda...EVERYTHING high level officials say is propaganda.

Russia will soon be the worlds whitest country. America is 50% white right now...today...and falling. Within 30 years, whites will be 20-25%.

You are losing your country, your culture, your race, civilization. Do you think THEY can run things? Name me ONE successful thing they do run. Diversity WILL destroy America and probably western civilization. We peaked in the late 50s and as the world has filled with the poor blacks and browns, we're been steadily been going downhill. 80% of the worlds population...6 trillion people...live on less than $10 a day. Half of Americas population receives a government benefit.

We're doomed.

[mellincf]

Are you ready to give personal information to this commission?

You are certainly correct. Unfortunately that hasn't worked out so well. Just ask Susan Rice.


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As the National Security Advisor, it was Susan Rice's JOB to find out who the American traitors talking to Russian spies were. Too bad you don't take the time to find the facts and just quote Limbaugh.

[AJ32162]

Ask yourself if it was the Obama Administration wanting this information, how would you react?

Obama wouldn't waste his time asking for the information, he'd just task the NSA with getting it for him.

NSA Illegal Surveillance of Americans -- Obama Administration Abuse & FISA Court Response | National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447973/nsa-illegal-surveillance-americans-obama-administration-abuse-fisa-court-response)

[wjboyer1]

States Push New Voter Requirements, Fueled by Trump - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/states-push-new-voter-requirements-fueled-trump-n780611?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma)

[Rockyrd]

States Push New Voter Requirements, Fueled by Trump - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/states-push-new-voter-requirements-fueled-trump-n780611?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma)

A reflection of the bully pulpit and the reason for people asking that the President tell the truth from such "pulpit".

Of course it is of concern, but a FEDERAL investigation with no basis in fact on a STATE function for one simple reason....the President said so again with such false accusations.

He is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES....someday he and his followers must get tuned into that fact. The election is over....it has been 6 months since you were sworn in....governing is the issue, not spouting off. The country is much more important than you and your family Mr President.

This is how your link ends...

"The Brennan Center points to Kobach's own 2013 review (since taken offline) of 84 million votes cast in 22 states, where he found just 14 instances of fraud sent on to prosecutors, according to contemporaneous reporting.

Meanwhile, a large number of academic reviews disproves widespread voter impersonation. A researcher at Loyola University in Los Angeles reviewed a billion ballots and found 31 cases of voter impersonation, while an Arizona State University study found 10 cases in a review of a decade of ballots. Government investigations have similarly found few cases to prosecute, with just a handful of convictions nationwide. In rulings against state voter ID laws, courts have routinely cited a lack of evidence."

[wjboyer1]

"russia is a full-scope cyber actor that will remain a major threat to us government, military, diplomatic, commercial, and critical infrastructure," -director of national intelligence daniel coats says.
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[Sandtrap328]

The upside is they are so old and decrepit inside and out that we won't have to hear from them in the trumps 2nd, 3rd or 4th terms.



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I have to say that Ivanka would definitely fill out that shirt out nicely.

[cologal]

There is a new Sheriff in town. It will grow on you.

Law and order also means zero tolerance for voter fraud. ZERO

And how many Trump voters have been cited with voter fraud.....

Lets see....

Terri Lynn Rote voted twice for Trump in Iowa, in North Carolina a woman voted for Trump on behalf of her deceased mother. It's not voter fraud for having dead people on the voter registration roles but it is fraud when they vote.

These are actual cases....not estimates.

[Allegiance]

I have to say that Ivanka would definitely fill out that shirt out nicely.We agree on a lot more than we disagree.

Cheers

[Rockyrd]

And how many Trump voters have been cited with voter fraud.....

Lets see....

Terri Lynn Rote voted twice for Trump in Iowa, in North Carolina a woman voted for Trump on behalf of her deceased mother. It's not voter fraud for having dead people on the voter registration roles but it is fraud when they vote.

These are actual cases....not estimates.

Good post.....it gets very old listening to the same old conspiracy theories day in and day out. I used to participate in this crap.

I will thank Trump for allowing me to become and independent and learn that sometimes just making that "name" switch clears your head.

I cannot support the Democratic agenda but certainly cannot even begin to support what is in control right now.

Back to the subject......this entire commission is a sham to make Trump feel good. The guy running this is a favorite for all the various conspiracy theories and thus makes a good "chief nut"

To folks who say we should care about this....WE DO AND ALWAYS HAVE. Each state has undertaken over the many years so much in the way of new rules.

[wjboyer1]

ACLU Files Suit Against White House Election Fraud Commission : The Two-Way : NPR (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/10/536492885/aclu-files-suit-against-white-house-election-fraud-commission?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20170710)

[Topspinmo]

:1rotfl:

NO ONE has said that there aren't occasions...where voter fraud has occurred.

In fact, it seems that these extremely rare cases are actually pretty equally divided...between R's and D's.

It's exactly this type of pathetic reaching, by touting a specific case and trying to apply it across the board or on a significant scale...is when your ignorance is truly exposed. :ho:

Oh yeah, here's a hint for you...the Washington Times is probably the newspaper with the most fake news (ALL from a Republican perspective)... in the entire United States (just a little below Faux News). :oops:

Eye-opening however, to know that you're complete apathy regarding Russia working to get Trump elected...means that you are a secret commie and Russian thug supporter. :ohdear:

Sooooo...at least thanks for that. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

With 21 plus major cities that allow millions illegal aliens to get driver's license with voter registration with virtually little investigation Just how many do you think vote republician? Hint! less than .000000000000000000000000001% IMO? The reason democrats don't want investigations in voter fraud is simply it will take away they're carpetbagging voting base.

NYT and WP aren't even good for wiping ones aZZ.

[cologal]

With 21 plus major cities that allow millions illegal aliens to get driver's license with voter registration with virtually little investigation Just how many do you think vote republician? Hint! less than .000000000000000000000000001% IMO? The reason democrats don't want investigations in voter fraud is simply it will take away they're carpetbagging voting base.

NYT and WP aren't even good for wiping ones aZZ.

That is simply BS!......

Here is how these cities and counties work

How sanctuary cities work, and how Trump’s stalled executive order might affect them - Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/sanctuary-cities/)

I don't agree with sanctuary cites but your statement has NO basis of fact.

COPUFF......

[wjboyer1]

With 21 plus major cities that allow millions illegal aliens to get driver's license with voter registration with virtually little investigation Just how many do you think vote republician? Hint! less than .000000000000000000000000001% IMO? The reason democrats don't want investigations in voter fraud is simply it will take away they're carpetbagging voting base.

NYT and WP aren't even good for wiping ones aZZ.

Looks like you walk around with a dirty stinking aZZ....kinda like your intellect

[Allegiance]

Looks like you walk around with a dirty stinking aZZ....kinda like your intellectTime for bed boy, you know you get cranky when up late

[Topspinmo]

That is simply BS!......

Here is how these cities and counties work

How sanctuary cities work, and how Trump’s stalled executive order might affect them - Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/sanctuary-cities/)

I don't agree with sanctuary cites but your statement has NO basis of fact.

COPUFF......

So you think that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Copuff

[Topspinmo]

Looks like you walk around with a dirty stinking aZZ....kinda like your intellect

No I don't read liberal bible comics NYT or WP post rages.

[wjboyer1]

No I don't read liberal bible comics NYT or WP post rages.

Just comics

[MDLNB]

And how many Trump voters have been cited with voter fraud.....

Lets see....

Terri Lynn Rote voted twice for Trump in Iowa, in North Carolina a woman voted for Trump on behalf of her deceased mother. It's not voter fraud for having dead people on the voter registration roles but it is fraud when they vote.

These are actual cases....not estimates.

So, you agree that there are illegal votes and have provided evidence that there should be mandatory voter ID required. :clap2:

[MDLNB]

Good post.....it gets very old listening to the same old conspiracy theories day in and day out. I used to participate in this crap.

I will thank Trump for allowing me to become and independent and learn that sometimes just making that "name" switch clears your head.

I cannot support the Democratic agenda but certainly cannot even begin to support what is in control right now.

Back to the subject......this entire commission is a sham to make Trump feel good. The guy running this is a favorite for all the various conspiracy theories and thus makes a good "chief nut"

To folks who say we should care about this....WE DO AND ALWAYS HAVE. Each state has undertaken over the many years so much in the way of new rules.

Why should anyone care that you have decided to become an Independent? Your non-vote doesn't mean anything to the election process anyway. You are nothing more than noise.

[Don Baldwin]

Why should anyone care that you have decided to become an Independent? Your non-vote doesn't mean anything to the election process anyway. You are nothing more than noise.

YOUR vote means nothing to the election process because EVERY D or R candidate already works for "them", the corrupt political system. Your "choice" is among two corrupt thieves...it doesn't matter WHICH thief you choose...they'll BOTH rob you blind.

[MDLNB]

YOUR vote means nothing to the election process because EVERY D or R candidate already works for "them", the corrupt political system. Your "choice" is among two corrupt thieves...it doesn't matter WHICH thief you choose...they'll BOTH rob you blind.

Maybe that is the truth, but I choose to vote for the lesser of the evils. Otherwise, we give up ALL control by allowing someone else make our decisions on who runs the country. It's a matter of choosing the robber baron that I prefer. One robber baron steals my money and uses it to run the gov the way he wishes, allowing me to keep some of my earnings. The other steals my money to give to those that worship him, but are useless otherwise. This one does not allow me to live any better a lifestyle than the ones that are being supported. The original one allows me to live according to my ability. I choose the Robber Baron that does not give my taxes to the lazy just to buy votes. I choose the one that gives me the freedom of living the lifestyle according to my ability, not the lower lifestyle equal to the lazy. Yes, both are robber barons, but at least I get some say in the choice between the two evils.

[Topspinmo]

YOUR vote means nothing to the election process because EVERY D or R candidate already works for "them", the corrupt political system. Your "choice" is among two corrupt thieves...it doesn't matter WHICH thief you choose...they'll BOTH rob you blind.



I agree until we vote out these career politican's in both parties nothing will change. They will promise you the moon. But deliver the moon on the outhouse. Trump was bad start IMO cause he's to juvenile. With politicians you have try till you find good one (yes, that is VERY RARE) I compare trump to bill slick Willie Clinton. Has a lot of Skelton's in the closet. But, far better than career lying, cheating carpetbagging politicians in either party. The scumbags will not go easily, they are addicted to lying, money, and power.

[Allegiance]

America well on the long road to becoming great again. Takes a little time to undo 8 years of Sharia law

[Don Baldwin]

Maybe that is the truth, but I choose to vote for the lesser of the evils. Otherwise, we give up ALL control by allowing someone else make our decisions on who runs the country. It's a matter of choosing the robber baron that I prefer. One robber baron steals my money and uses it to run the gov the way he wishes, allowing me to keep some of my earnings. The other steals my money to give to those that worship him, but are useless otherwise. This one does not allow me to live any better a lifestyle than the ones that are being supported. The original one allows me to live according to my ability. I choose the Robber Baron that does not give my taxes to the lazy just to buy votes. I choose the one that gives me the freedom of living the lifestyle according to my ability, not the lower lifestyle equal to the lazy. Yes, both are robber barons, but at least I get some say in the choice between the two evils.

That's subjective...the "lesser" evil? They're ALL evil...

MD...you HAVE given up all control. The "election" is a sham...for show...EVERY candidate WILL go along with the party line...or they WILL be removed. Lincoln was killed, Kennedy killed, Nixon resigned because "they" wanted him gone. "They" are the VERY rich and powerful. The names you DON'T see on Forbes list of the richest. You think Gates has more money than Rothschild? Funny...Rothchild is the only one with a (?). List of wealthiest families - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_families) The parties PLACE candidates on the ballot. ANYONE they want. ALL of them WORK for the party. The public is given a "choice" only in personality...not what they'll actually do once elected. They all do what they're told. Even Trump.

That's ALL you're doing...choosing the man who will screw you. Instead of one you don't like, you prefer being screwed by someone you like. I get it, but it doesn't change the FACT that our government is completely controlled by the powerful men who control the corporations.

Working people often live WORSE than those getting a "free ride". Public housing looks pretty good compared to many working poor trailer parks. A single mother of 4 can get up to $60,000 a year in benefits when it's all added together. Why work with that kind of money. PLUS free healthcare now...real healthcare...worth $1,000 a month.

Believe me...that robber baron is giving to the lazy too...they just have different color skin and they get million $ bonuses.

You have much less say than you think you do. If voting mattered...they wouldn't let us do it. They do HERE what we do overseas. When we "democratize" a country...we provide BOTH sides of the government. We tell them...you can vote for this hand picked candidate...or that hand picked candidate...choose. It doesn't matter who they choose because they both work for us. It doesn't matter who WE choose either...because they BOTH work for "them"...the rich and powerful. Buying a candidate is a 100:1 payback for a large business.



I agree until we vote out these career politican's in both parties nothing will change. They will promise you the moon. But deliver the moon on the outhouse. Trump was bad start IMO cause he's to juvenile. With politicians you have try till you find good one (yes, that is VERY RARE) I compare trump to bill slick Willie Clinton. Has a lot of Skelton's in the closet. But, far better than career lying, cheating carpetbagging politicians in either party. The scumbags will not go easily, they are addicted to lying, money, and power.

Trump is one of them...he's no rogue...he wouldn't have been elected...the media would have ignored him like they did Perot...if he was truly an outsider. He's one of them.

They're ALL psychopaths...they'll do/say anything to get elected.

America well on the long road to becoming great again. Takes a little time to undo 8 years of Sharia law

Ha! Nice sad joke.

America has gone from 90% white and #1 in the world...to the present day 49% white and #25 in the world. As we turn dark and the whites go away...so will/does America's greatness and ABILITY to be great.

How many majority black/Hispanic/Muslim countries in the world are successful?

How many white ones?

The proof IS in the pudding...white people make the BEST countries/civilization.

Disagree? Lets see your list of great black places...great Hispanic places. Just ONE...one is all I ask...just ONE case of the minorities being truly equal.

They are not us...whites are the apex of humanity. We gave you civilization and technology.

What have the others given us? Cheap menial labor?

[Rockyrd]

That's subjective...the "lesser" evil? They're ALL evil...

MD...you HAVE given up all control. The "election" is a sham...for show...EVERY candidate WILL go along with the party line...or they WILL be removed. Lincoln was killed, Kennedy killed, Nixon resigned because "they" wanted him gone. "They" are the VERY rich and powerful. The names you DON'T see on Forbes list of the richest. You think Gates has more money than Rothschild? Funny...Rothchild is the only one with a (?). List of wealthiest families - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_families) The parties PLACE candidates on the ballot. ANYONE they want. ALL of them WORK for the party. The public is given a "choice" only in personality...not what they'll actually do once elected. They all do what they're told. Even Trump.

That's ALL you're doing...choosing the man who will screw you. Instead of one you don't like, you prefer being screwed by someone you like. I get it, but it doesn't change the FACT that our government is completely controlled by the powerful men who control the corporations.

Working people often live WORSE than those getting a "free ride". Public housing looks pretty good compared to many working poor trailer parks. A single mother of 4 can get up to $60,000 a year in benefits when it's all added together. Why work with that kind of money. PLUS free healthcare now...real healthcare...worth $1,000 a month.

Believe me...that robber baron is giving to the lazy too...they just have different color skin and they get million $ bonuses.

You have much less say than you think you do. If voting mattered...they wouldn't let us do it. They do HERE what we do overseas. When we "democratize" a country...we provide BOTH sides of the government. We tell them...you can vote for this hand picked candidate...or that hand picked candidate...choose. It doesn't matter who they choose because they both work for us. It doesn't matter who WE choose either...because they BOTH work for "them"...the rich and powerful. Buying a candidate is a 100:1 payback for a large business.





Trump is one of them...he's no rogue...he wouldn't have been elected...the media would have ignored him like they did Perot...if he was truly an outsider. He's one of them.

They're ALL psychopaths...they'll do/say anything to get elected.



Ha! Nice sad joke.

America has gone from 90% white and #1 in the world...to the present day 49% white and #25 in the world. As we turn dark and the whites go away...so will/does America's greatness and ABILITY to be great.

How many majority black/Hispanic/Muslim countries in the world are successful?

How many white ones?

The proof IS in the pudding...white people make the BEST countries/civilization.

Disagree? Lets see your list of great black places...great Hispanic places. Just ONE...one is all I ask...just ONE case of the minorities being truly equal.

They are not us...whites are the apex of humanity. We gave you civilization and technology.

What have the others given us? Cheap menial labor?

I hear or read you daily bitching and moaning but notice two things lacking....

.....any critique of our priviliged WHITE AMERICAN President who is tearing the country apart by the seams

....any suggested solutions to these problems that you see.

Do you suggest we fire up the ovens in Germany ?

Why do you have such an intense need to manifest your hate on here ?

[Don Baldwin]

I hear or read you daily bitching and moaning but notice two things lacking....

.....any critique of our priviliged WHITE AMERICAN President who is tearing the country apart by the seams

....any suggested solutions to these problems that you see.

Do you suggest we fire up the ovens in Germany ?

Why do you have such an intense need to manifest your hate on here ?

I criticize BOTH sides equally. WHY don't YOU notice that? You just don't like me and no matter what I say, you'll find a "fault"?

The growing minority poor is what is tearing America apart by the seams. We spend over a $ trillion a year taking care of them. That's about $10,000 a year for every WORKING American. We CAN'T keep it up. The poor population is growing too...it gets worse each year.

Solution? ALL the Hispanic illegals and their anchor babies...MUST go. There are 100 million Hispanics here that can vote. They are already the majority below age 7. They WILL dominate as they become the majority.

Blacks...I'd like to see them go too...but that won't happen. Cut welfare if you're capable of any type of work and let them fend for themselves on a LEVEL playing field...see how "equal" they really are.

No ovens...boat rides...bus rides. Let their home countries take care of their own dregs.

Why do YOU have such a strong case of DENIAL when it comes to blacks? Once you realize they're a different species and incapable of living in a modern society...it all falls into place...the answers to problems pop right out. It's not hate...it's acceptance of reality...facts.

SHOW ME the black villages if they ARE our equal. White people have thousands of white communities that any one of us would love to live in. How many 99% black communities would you like to live in?

SHOW ME the "black" MIT or Oxford...ANY decent school that is 99% black. Howard? It's a joke. And it's CERTAINLY no CalTec or Harvard.

My "need" is to stop your being deceived and the "dumbing down" of America with the fruitless pursuit of "equality" for another species. We are destroying ourselves and our country by being TOO NICE...by feeling sorry for them. I want to SAVE white America...really return it to greatness...and 90% white...like it should be.

[Rockyrd]

"The recent request from President Donald Trump’s vote fraud commission for a mountain of sensitive data from the states sparked a backlash and baffled many officials — not only because of concerns about privacy and security but because an organization "

Bipartisan Group That Shares Voter Data Shames Trump Panel - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/bipartisan-group-shares-voter-data-shames-trump-panel-n783206)

[Rockyrd]

"The Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC) is a non-profit organization with the sole mission of assisting states to improve the accuracy of America’s voter rolls and increase access to voter registration for all eligible citizens. ERIC is governed and managed by states who choose to join, and was formed in 2012 with assistance from The Pew Charitable Trusts."

ERIC (http://www.ericstates.org/)

This is an article from about 6 months ago, and explains a bit more about this very bi partisan group

"In a Wednesday morning tweet, President Trump returned to his campaign refrain of widespread electoral problems and called for “an investigation into voter fraud, including those registered to vote in two states.”

Within hours, it was revealed that at least five people close to Trump — daughter Tiffany, son-in-law Jared Kushner, adviser Stephen K. Bannon, treasury nominee Steven Mnuchin and press secretary Sean Spicer — are registered to vote in more than one state.

They are not alone. A 2012 Pew Charitable Trusts report estimated that 2.75 million Americans were on the voter rolls in more than one state and that 1.8 million dead people remained on the rolls.

Like Trump’s family members and associates, these are people who registered to vote legally, but when they moved or passed away, their names were not deleted from voter lists.

It’s not illegal to be registered to vote in more than one state, but it is illegal to vote more than once. By holding more than one registration, a voter could conceivably drive across state lines to cast ballots in different places. Or a voter could request an absentee ballot in one state and vote in person in another state. Such scenarios, even if only a few instances have actually occurred, concern many Americans."

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"But wait, there’s the Electronic Registration Information Center (ERIC).

The Electronic Registration Information Center was established in 2012 with logistical and financial support from the Pew Charitable Trusts. Seven pioneer states agreed to coordinate efforts, share information, and make better use of government records and technology to enhance the integrity of their electoral rolls.

ERIC is now an independent organization, fully funded by member states, with no philanthropic support. Membership has steadily grown to 20 states and the District of Columbia. ERIC has so far reported to its members more than 5 million inaccurate and outdated registrations, including 166,000 deceased voters whose names were still on the rolls in these states.

ERIC works to identify inaccurate registrations by electronically analyzing and matching U.S. Postal Service change-of-address records, federal death records, vehicle registrations and voter registration records from member states.

ERIC has also analyzed data from its members to provide estimates of the number of inaccurate and out-of-date voter records for nonmember states.

Trump wants voter registration investigated. This is how 20 states are already doing it. - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/30/trump-wants-voter-registrations-investigated-but-theres-already-a-system-for-that/?utm_term=.9a4902491399)

[dirtbanker]

Oh fvck, rockface found something we JUST HAVE TO READ...

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