What the heck is wrong with some villagers??

[jimmemac]

I have never understood why villagers allow their younger children who don't know how to behave to move in with them or even buy them a home here in the villages. We see the results way to often in the different news sources. But today I think this type of person hit a couple new lows. Why would any villager suggest to a non villager that they sneak in to use the pickle ball court or any other facility here in the villages; or the villager looking for someone to rent out a house or part of a house to a 25 year old?? Sorry but I just don't get it.

[manaboutown]

Most of these adult children have criminal histories and/or serious substance abuse issues. They do not belong in a 55 and over community. That for certain. They will only cause problems.

[SALYBOW]

That is an inappropriate comment, if you have not done a lot of research. My son lived with us for nine months, Gracie's daughter lives with her. Neither of them have criminal history or serious substance abuse issues. On what do you base this opinion?

[manaboutown]

That is an inappropriate comment, if you have not done a lot of research. My son lived with us for nine months, Gracie's daughter lives with her. Neither of them have criminal history or serious substance abuse issues. On what do you base this opinion?

Most, not all. There are of course exceptions for physically/mentally challenged adult children.

If they were fully functioning adults they would not need to move back in with mom and/or dad. 55 communities and over are for 55 and over seniors, not their felon/substance abusing children who commit crimes and cause many problems.

[Carla B]

In defense of the OP, I read the key words to be "younger children who don't know how to behave." That certainly doesn't include your son or Gracie's lovely daughter.

[manaboutown]

:agree:In defense of the OP, I read the key words to be "younger children who don't know how to behave." That certainly doesn't include your son or Gracie's lovely daughter.

:agree:

[Wiotte]

I have never understood why villagers allow their younger children who don't know how to behave to move in with them or even buy them a home here in the villages. We see the results way to often in the different news sources. But today I think this type of person hit a couple new lows. Why would any villager suggest to a non villager that they sneak in to use the pickle ball court or any other facility here in the villages; or the villager looking for someone to rent out a house or part of a house to a 25 year old?? Sorry but I just don't get it.



They simply have the need to be accepted, no matter the consequences.


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[njbchbum]

My guess is that most parents just can't stop loving their children no matter how far off the track they might veer.

And as far as folks under 55 living in the Villages - here's what a 55+ community is all about:
Housing for Older Persons Requirements / Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory/housing_for_older_persons_requirements)

[manaboutown]

My guess is that most parents just can't stop loving their children no matter how far off the track they might veer.

That may very well constitute enablement if it involves letting them move back with mom and dad. Plus it put their community in danger from criminal acts by their adult children, many times to support their substance abuse.

[rubicon]

Well we certainly have some spring loaded opinions about other people's kids. Seems to me a number of residents 55+ and over have contributed far more to salacious talk that permeates this community.

Given that the median age of a resident in Sumter County is 67.1 seems to negate much of thought that has gone into blaming others.

And given that the median age is 67.1 explains the hyperbole of too many cart speeders, too much crime too many..........

I don't mind living in a community with other old people I just hate it when old people act old.

[jeriteri]

In my opinion, the people allowing their children to move in with them in The Villages, Fl are probably following the rules. That said, I believe The Villages was developed for seniors, not for families. Can you imagine if everyone brought their adult children into their homes what this community would be. Right now the crime talked about is minimal but if rules don't change, our paradise may turn into an adult children dominated community which will then be like any other city in the country.

[biker1]

I really don't see that happening.

In my opinion, the people allowing their children to move in with them in The Villages, Fl are probably following the rules. That said, I believe The Villages was developed for seniors, not for families. Can you imagine if everyone brought their adult children into their homes what this community would be. Right now the crime talked about is minimal but if rules don't change, our paradise may turn into an adult children dominated community which will then be like any other city in the country.

[Bay Kid]

I always hope for the best for my children. The problem most of us parents have is that we never give up on our children. We are blinded by love and hope and we always will be.

[Chatbrat]

All I know about this situation is what I read in the unmentionable online news paper--its seems to be escalating with the # of arrests recently,IMHO it will get worse as TV grows

[Nucky]

Only concerning the rotten apples in the big barrell. I have heard that there will be a company starting shortly that will extend support to Seniors who feel threatened by the rotten apples. This company for a fee will speak with the offending unit who is killing your peace :pray: and serenity. From what I heard it won't be expensive but not cheap either. I will be first in line if I ever felt cornered. It would be good to let the creep know you are represented by someone around their level. Sounds great to me. :pray: It reminds me of the way things were handled near our old home.

[Chatbrat]

in the old neighborhood you could always get someone to"speak" to someone for a "lifetime" fee-no such thing as a short term "contract"

[perrjojo]

I think we are all disappointed to read these stories and of course we wish these people were not in our neighborhood. I see that drugs are really damaging our society and because of a certain online news, we know about everyone's skeletons in the closet.

[Allegiance]

All I know about this situation is what I read in the unmentionable online news paper--its seems to be escalating with the # of arrests recently,IMHO it will get worse as TV growsAbsolutely, just look at the total number of persons arrested on that other site. These wonderful "kids" make up a big percentage, if not the majority.

Overall they are big negative for the villages, people read that other site, and that site is well established on facebook.

Having rasied children is not any indicator of success as some villagers state, and I have seen it repeated often.

Raising successful children IS!!

WATCH any house that has unusual activity for a retirement community. If you see something, say something. Keep the villages great.

[Allegiance]

Absolutely, just look at the total number of persons arrested on that other site. These wonderful "kids" make up a big percentage, if not the majority.

Overall they are big negative for the villages, people read that other site, and that site is well established on facebook.

Having rasied children is not any indicator of success as some villagers state, and I have seen it repeated often.

Raising successful children IS!!

WATCH any house that has unusual activity for a retirement community. If you see something, say something. Keep the villages great.Post check.....For some strange reason my posts have not been going through. Maybe a bad Internet connection.

[ggnlars]

This is a touchy subject. Not all children are bad and not all children are successful. With the COL today, bumps in the road are hard to deal with. That has always been true, but today's society is far more mobile. Instead of everyone living in Cincinnati, our four children live all over the country. When the bumps happen, it is not as easy to help them at arms length. Thus, you/they have them come home, until they can get their feet back under them. Two of ours have done that twice. Both families got back up and are now quite successfully on their own. Will it happen again? Hopefully not, but if it does, they know the door will be open with rules and responsibility.

Remember, only 80% of the owners are required to be 55. I see a number of families living here. Husband, wife and at least one late teen age child. For a number of years, people have been waiting to marry until their 30's. Those people can easily have teenage children at 55. I find a lot in that age group wanting to come here for TV' benefits.

[justjim]

Only concerning the rotten apples in the big barrell. I have heard that there will be a company starting shortly that will extend support to Seniors who feel threatened by the rotten apples. This company for a fee will speak with the offending unit who is killing your peace :pray: and serenity. From what I heard it won't be expensive but not cheap either. I will be first in line if I ever felt cornered. It would be good to let the creep know you are represented by someone around their level. Sounds great to me. :pray: It reminds me of the way things were handled near our old home.

Sounds like a very slippery slope one could go down. Seriously! With all due respect, I don't know of any valid statistics on how many adult children of 55 and older residents are now living in TV and how many are "Troubled" Adult children. I seriously doubt that this is "most" of them. It appears to me that most of the mug shots I see are older adults as opposed to younger. That said, any resident that violates the law should be reported to proper authorities and then let them handle the problem.

[Miles42]

this is no longer a 55 plus community. far from it.

[Nucky]

Sounds like a very slippery slope one could go down. Seriously! With all due respect, I don't know of any valid statistics on how many adult children of 55 and older residents are now living in TV and how many are "Troubled" Adult children. I seriously doubt that this is "most" of them. It appears to me that most of the mug shots I see are older adults as opposed to younger. That said, any resident that violates the law should be reported to proper authorities and then let them handle the problem.

Some of the stories I have heard are truly sad. The lady we bought our home from told me a few things that happened to them over the years. Extremely sad. There are predators everywhere. I love the idea of using the proper authorities also.
They seem to be tougher in Florida considering I see people getting arrested for drinking a Redbull without paying and minor things like that. Technically the person is wrong but???? Who knows, maybe the officer finds out the Redbull thief has a bad history. I don't think I'm qualified to judge.

Many problems are created by contractor types who talk a sweet game to someone they have sized up and just rip them off. It isn't me imagining this. The day after Florida plates replaced the New Jersey plates on our car the bids for work around our home descended from the stratosphere. :highfive:

[JoMar]

this is no longer a 55 plus community. far from it.

Don't think it ever was.....and frankly I enjoy the spread of ages here.....gives the place some life.

[Bogie Shooter]

this is no longer a 55 plus community. far from it.

What do you base this opinion on???

[Chi33]

south is best. Those north are just angry

[ColdNoMore]

Sounds like a very slippery slope one could go down. Seriously! With all due respect, I don't know of any valid statistics on how many adult children of 55 and older residents are now living in TV and how many are "Troubled" Adult children. I seriously doubt that this is "most" of them. It appears to me that most of the mug shots I see are older adults as opposed to younger. That said, any resident that violates the law should be reported to proper authorities and then let them handle the problem.

There aren't any statistics on it.

I assume those who use the term "troubled adult children" are only talking about those over 18...who have been charged with criminal conduct? :shrug:

[rubicon]

this is no longer a 55 plus community. far from it.

The Villages propaganda claims a 80/20 split on age.

We have had two families move in on our street that are age 50 and 51 and one year ago another family a block away again age 50. so what are the odds that given an 80/20 split we would have had three families in our neighborhood age 50-51?

I asked long ago who keeps the statistics that show this 80/20 split is being adhered too. and the response from many was who care. I am fine with people 50-51 moving in. However I do care when government intentionally blurs the lines of rules and regulation policies and compliance's or allows them to lapse because the community suffers.

[biker1]

What about all of the neighborhoods that have no families under the age of 50? Extrapolating from a small sample size is not valid.

The Villages propaganda claims a 80/20 split on age.

We have had two families move in on our street that are age 50 and 51 and one year ago another family a block away again age 50. so what are the odds that given an 80/20 split we would have had three families in our neighborhood age 50-51?

I asked long ago who keeps the statistics that show this 80/20 split is being adhered too. and the response from many was who care. I am fine with people 50-51 moving in. However I do care when government intentionally blurs the lines of rules and regulation policies and compliance's or allows them to lapse because the community suffers.

[Kazmi]

What about all of the neighborhoods that have no families under the age of 50? Extrapolating from a small sample size is not valid.

who is extrapolating? only asked what the odds were

[Retiring]

The Villages propaganda claims a 80/20 split on age.

We have had two families move in on our street that are age 50 and 51 and one year ago another family a block away again age 50. so what are the odds that given an 80/20 split we would have had three families in our neighborhood age 50-51?

I asked long ago who keeps the statistics that show this 80/20 split is being adhered too. and the response from many was who care. I am fine with people 50-51 moving in. However I do care when government intentionally blurs the lines of rules and regulation policies and compliance's or allows them to lapse because the community suffers.


I found this on the 80/20 thing. I read it and still don't understand the benefit.

55 & Over Housing: What is the 80/20 Rule? - April 1, 2010 - Florida Condo & HOA Law Blog (http://www.floridacondohoalawblog.com/2010/04/01/55-over-housing-what-is-the-8020-rule/)

[manaboutown]

It seems to me that in the newer areas of The Villages the under 55s - under by a few years - most likely comprise folks buying homes in which to snowbird/retire whereas in the older areas the under 55 residents are mostly adult children/grandchildren of the homeowners. While some of these younger adults may be caregivers or caregivees most are there because of problematic lives in one form or another.

[biker1]

Seriously? The OP was clearly trying to suggest that we may not have an 80/20 split based on the fact that there were a couple of under 50 families in his neighborhood. That is an extrapolation. Go back and reread his post.

who is extrapolating? only asked what the odds were

[PammyJ]

There ARE communities that are smaller and only allow those under 55 to visit for so many days per year. TV is not one of those communities, it is family friendly. One of the reasons I bought here. My two adult sons live with me and love it here. One is disabled and will always be with me and the other wants to be on his own and is working on getting there again. They work in TV and enjoy the many happy and friendly people that are their customers. It is upsetting to me to read threads like this. Seems to me that there are quite a few 55plus adults here who don't know how to behave, as referenced by documented articles in so called on-line news.
My family will always be welcome in my home.....In my opinion, no one is ruining anything. This is still a great place. There is no perfect community, but I think this is pretty close"

[njbchbum]

The Villages propaganda claims a 80/20 split on age.

We have had two families move in on our street that are age 50 and 51 and one year ago another family a block away again age 50. so what are the odds that given an 80/20 split we would have had three families in our neighborhood age 50-51?

I asked long ago who keeps the statistics that show this 80/20 split is being adhered too. and the response from many was who care. I am fine with people 50-51 moving in. However I do care when government intentionally blurs the lines of rules and regulation policies and compliance's or allows them to lapse because the community suffers.

Propaganda? The Villages is so registered and scheduled for renewal this Sept!
Housing Directory - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/housing_directory/search/Sumter/County)

The odds? Probably slim.

Who keeps the stats? Probably the folks who record birth dates of the residents who go to the office to get their resident IDs?

[Henryk]

It seems to me that in the newer areas of The Villages the under 55s - under by a few years - most likely comprise folks buying homes in which to snowbird/retire whereas in the older areas the under 55 residents are mostly adult children/grandchildren of the homeowners. While some of these younger adults may be caregivers or caregivees most are there because of problematic lives in one form or another.

Gee, I just love it when people use the word 'comprise' correctly!

[Sgroemm]

There are also those of us who have moved back in with our parents to offer care, transportation and home maintenance as our parents age and are unable to do many of these tasks. I don't think the problem is adult children moving in with their parents as much as it is delinquent behavior of certain individuals.

[Aw Man]

There are also those of us who have moved back in with our parents to offer care, transportation and home maintenance as our parents age and are unable to do many of these tasks. I don't think the problem is adult children moving in with their parents as much as it is delinquent behavior of certain individuals.

Refreshing to see a thoughtful and intelligent post.
Thanks, ...... and welcome to TOTV.

[fred53]

Most of these adult children have criminal histories and/or serious substance abuse issues. They do not belong in a 55 and over community. That for certain. They will only cause problems.

I'm willing to bet a years salary you have no data to back that up. There are always bad apples, but unless you know the number of good apples "many" is a personal opinion and not worth the "01"s that are used.

[Barefoot]

Most of these adult children have criminal histories and/or serious substance abuse issues.

Absolutely, just look at the total number of persons arrested on that other site. These wonderful "kids" make up a big percentage, if not the majority.
:ohdear: I don't believe there are any statistics that show these statements are factual.

.... I don't know of any valid statistics on how many adult children of 55 and older residents are now living in TV and how many are "Troubled" Adult children. I seriously doubt that this is "most" of them.
:agree: I only know four families who have adult children living with them.
However in all four cases, the children are respectful and productive members of society.

There are also those of us who have moved back in with our parents to offer care, transportation and home maintenance as our parents age and are unable to do many of these tasks. I don't think the problem is adult children moving in with their parents as much as it is delinquent behavior of certain individuals.Exactly.

[Allegiance]

:ohdear: I don't believe there are any statistics that show these statements are factual.


:agree: I only know four families who have adult children living with them.
However in all four cases, the children are respectful and productive members of society.

Exactly.Look at the "villages News site" arrests. How many are under 55. It's not brain surgery.

O dear

[biker1]

I don't know how many are under 55. Please post the numbers.

Look at the "villages News site" arrests. How many are under 55. It's not brain surgery.

O dear

[Allegiance]

I don't know how many are under 55. Please post the numbers.Over the last 16 months, 62.4 % of those arrested as per that site were under 55. This only includes those identified as living in the villages.

Hope this satisfies.

[biker1]

Very sad that you have to make up numbers. Please admit that you don't have a clue.

Over the last 16 months, 62.4 % of those arrested as per that site were under 55.

Hope this satisfies.

[Allegiance]

Very sad that you have to make up numbers. Please admit that you don't have a clue.Furthermore I only included those identified as villagers

[Barefoot]

Look at the "villages News site" arrests. How many are under 55. It's not brain surgery. It's not brain surgery, but it may be a misrepresentation of facts.
Do you know how many under 55's are living in The Villages?
You'd have to know that before you can judge the statistical percentage of how many under 55's are offenders.
The online newspaper relishes reporting crimes, and the Happy Paper avoids them.

[Allegiance]

It's not brain surgery, but it may be a misrepresentation of facts.
Do you know how many under 55's are living in The Villages?
You'd have to know that before you can judge the statistical percentage of how many under 55's are offenders.
The online newspaper relishes reporting crimes, and the Happy Paper avoids them.
You're right ALL the adult kids living at home are perfect hard working employed angels.


Lol

[Allegiance]

It's not brain surgery, but it may be a misrepresentation of facts.
Do you know how many under 55's are living in The Villages?
You'd have to know that before you can judge the statistical percentage of how many under 55's are offenders.
The online newspaper relishes reporting crimes, and the Happy Paper avoids them.
And that mean online newspaper overstates the amount of under 55 that get arrested by changing ages too.

[Allegiance]

Try it, do a quick search of just that site, with only one keyword "arrested," go back just one year.

Arrested site:**************.com - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?as_q=Arrested+&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=y&as_sitesearch=**************.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=)

But you may want to quantify multiple arrests of the same person, like our famous 79 year old resident from Del Mar.

[Allegiance]

Try it, do a quick search of just that site, with only one keyword "arrested," go back just one year.

Arrested site:**************.com - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?as_q=Arrested+&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=y&as_sitesearch=**************.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=)

But you may want to quantify multiple arrests of the same person, like our famous 79 year old resident from Del Mar.Unfortunately I can't post the Google advanced search results, as it includes the taboo name of that site.

[Barefoot]

You're right ALL the adult kids living at home are perfect hard working employed angels.
I'm not saying that at all, and you know it! :ohdear:
I am saying that unless you know the number of under 55's living in The Villages, you can't possibly know the percentage of offenders.

[Allegiance]

I'm not saying that at all, and you know it!
I am saying that unless you know the percentage of under 55's living in The Villages, you can't possibly know the percentage of offenders.
You can look at the percent of under 55 villagers that are arrested from a particular Web site.

Which is NOT brain surgery.

Try it going forward, when you wake up tomorrow.


This was my original quote, luckily it was quoted because the original mysteriously disappeared as if it were cuss words,

"Absolutely, just look at the total number of persons arrested on that other site. These wonderful "kids" make up a big percentage, if not the majority."

What's so illogical, just look at that site?

[ColdNoMore]

You're right ALL the adult kids living at home are perfect hard working employed angels.

Lol

Why would you care if adult children are living with their parents in The Villages, even if they're not working...if they are not committing criminal acts?

[Allegiance]

Why would you care if adult children are living with their parents in The Villages, even if they're not working...if they are not committing criminal acts?The whole conversation is about the criminals. Hello....

[Barefoot]

You can look at the percent of under 55 villagers that are arrested from a particular Web site.

I'm done, I give up. :ohdear:

[Allegiance]

I'm done, I give up. :ohdear:Don't give up. If you see something say something.

[rubicon]

Seriously? The OP was clearly trying to suggest that we may not have an 80/20 split based on the fact that there were a couple of under 50 families in his neighborhood. That is an extrapolation. Go back and reread his post.

Seriously I did not suggest , or extrapolate, anything. It was an observation, a question looking for further reasoning.

You however have taken it upon yourself to imply and define it to your liking. And because you repeated this commentary twice you seem to have a bee under your bonnet But hey, if it rocks your world, knock yourself out

P. S. I was not the OP on this thread.

[rubicon]

This topic of residents kids moving in with their parents has been debated as often as speeding golf carts and dog poop. And it is with the same disdain and in a circular discussion.

Too many posters seem to take the high moral ground which denotes arrogance and arrogance is always accompanied with its sister ignorance.

"No one knows the trouble we sees, no one knows my sorrow."

People on this forum have no idea why adult children may accompany their parents? I am sure it is for a myriad of reasons. No one stops and thinks about what those parents are going through or why.

Too many condemn them for lack of parenting skills and they haven't got a clue what those folks are dealing with each day.

Too many make the lazy connection and hence assumption that if they are under 55 and village residents well then there some resident's adult kid who is not so adult and causing trouble in Paradise.

How many adult children living here with their parents are never seen or heard from and living quietly here?

How many adult villagers have been the topic of salacious gossip because of sex in the square, drug charges, shooting up someone's home, etc etc etc.

Judge Not Lest Thee Be Judged.

[biker1]

By OP, I was referring to your post, not the 1st post - I could have been clearer about that. Your implication was quite clear whether you want to admit it now or not. Whether you like the term "extrapolate" or not doesn't really matter to me - the term fits perfectly what you were trying to do. There are 3 families around 50 near you so the 80/20 rule is in question?? Of course you "suggested" it - it is there in black and white. You simply chose to use a rhetorical question to make your "suggestion" (posted below).

so what are the odds that given an 80/20 split we would have had three families in our neighborhood age 50-51?

The 3 families around 50 in your neighborhood do not shed any light on where we stand with the 80/20 rule. There can be no "further reasoning" with such a small sample size as it isn't and can't be representative of The Villages as a whole. There are no families around 50 on my street. There are 57,000 homes in The Villages. Please post some real, statistically significant numbers instead of using a term like "propaganda" and a rhetorical question, as you did in your post. In your original post, you also accused the Government of essentially not doing their job of rules compliance (posted below).

However I do care when government intentionally blurs the lines of rules and regulation policies and compliance's or allows them to lapse because the community suffers.

Back it up with evidence. Have a nice day.

Seriously I did not suggest , or extrapolate, anything. It was an observation, a question looking for further reasoning.

You however have taken it upon yourself to imply and define it to your liking. And because you repeated this commentary twice you seem to have a bee under your bonnet But hey, if it rocks your world, knock yourself out

P. S. I was not the OP on this thread.

[Kazmi]

Seriously? The OP was clearly trying to suggest that we may not have an 80/20 split based on the fact that there were a couple of under 50 families in his neighborhood. That is an extrapolation. Go back and reread his post.

Yes seriously. I went back and read it. Opinion still the same.

[manaboutown]

I wonder how many of those under 55 residing within The Villages would be considered indigent? Five of those arrested in the Palo Alto drug bust are considered indigent according to the unnameable online news source.

[Bigben007]

I wonder why kids are moving in with their parents to take care of them when you would think the parents would move in with the kids. I know my daughter would not give up her home and job to move in to take care of me but would have me move in with her.

[Primera199]

it is soooo aggravating that nothing is being done about it. There bringing our villages name to a new low

[perrjojo]

I liked it better when we only had the Happy Paper. Things probably haven't changed, we just didn't know about it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Most, not all. There are of course exceptions for physically/mentally challenged adult children.

If they were fully functioning adults they would not need to move back in with mom and/or dad. 55 communities and over are for 55 and over seniors, not their felon/substance abusing children who commit crimes and cause many problems.

Do you have a study or other evidence that shows that "most" of these adult children are felons or drug addicts? Where exactly are you getting that statistic from?

[ggnlars]

In my view, TV is a microcosm of society in general. So if society has a drug problem or a crime problem, one should expect the same in TV. The issue from the OP is present in other parts of our life good and bad, so we should expect the same here.
This discussion has cleared up the how can you have a 55+ restriction. The federal act that prohibits descrimination would not allow them. However the federal old age act allows these kind of communities. However this still allows discrimination in conflict with the first act. By adding the 20/80 rule, you can have the intent of the 55+ community without ever descriminating. i.e.: no one under 55 is turned down because of age. Interesting.

[golfing eagles]

I wonder why kids are moving in with their parents to take care of them when you would think the parents would move in with the kids. I know my daughter would not give up her home and job to move in to take care of me but would have me move in with her.

Yes, but your daughter HAS a home and a job. Some children of Villagers are not that fortunate. Some have a disability. Some have parents that adamantly refuse to leave their homes. I give credit to those children who are willing to uproot their lives to take care of an aging parent, and those parents who are devoted to taking care of an adult child with special needs. As far as the small criminal element goes, we still live in one of the safest zip codes in the country, and LEOs will root out the bad apples. You are much more likely to be injured by a confused driver in a RB or a drunk cart driver.

[Chatbrat]

Another brain surgeon inTV,last night a 36 yr old visiting his father consumes at least 5 drinks and launches a 51 yr old woman out of a golf cart, he leaves her in a flower bed before he got arrested--honestly, there should be some responsibility with the bar tender where he was drinking,too

[Allegiance]

I wonder why kids are moving in with their parents to take care of them when you would think the parents would move in with the kids. I know my daughter would not give up her home and job to move in to take care of me but would have me move in with her.We can assUme that many never got their feet firmly off the ground, I bet some never even left home.

Eventually they will brag about being a caretaker of old mom.

[Allegiance]

Another brain surgeon inTV,last night a 36 yr old visiting his father consumes at least 5 drinks and launches a 51 yr old woman out of a golf cart, he leaves her in a flower bed before he got arrested--honestly, there should be some responsibility with the bar tender where he was drinking,tooIt's easy to see this "kid" population commits more than their share of crimes.


Just check that site daily.


Once again, it ain't brain surgery.

[John_W]

In my view, TV is a microcosm of society in general. So if society has a drug problem or a crime problem, one should expect the same in TV. The issue from the OP is present in other parts of our life good and bad, so we should expect the same here.


No, I don't believe that is true, because 90% of all crime is committed by persons under the age of 50. To break it down even further, 25% of crime is committed by those under age 18. TV essentially eliminated most of those people, 80% of the homeowners must have a person on the title who is 55+ and children under 19 can't visit for more than 30 days a year. We can certainly see that we don't have the crime numbers that nearby cities have. You don't have to be this guy to know what's going on.

http://www.saburchill.com/HOS/astronomy/images/111205002.jpg

Just read the crime reports on this website for a week.

http://villagenews.ekit.co.uk/gfx/vnews.jpg

So when you read these crime reports that are committed within TV, just ask yourself, does this person own a home in TV? Is this person over age 55? There's your answer.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QWGONYk2K20/UMAcev-PwAI/AAAAAAAACy0/hJ7SyNfji78/s1600/Enablers2.png

[manaboutown]

Another brain surgeon inTV,last night a 36 yr old visiting his father consumes at least 5 drinks and launches a 51 yr old woman out of a golf cart, he leaves her in a flower bed before he got arrested--honestly, there should be some responsibility with the bar tender where he was drinking,too

And a 29 year old rocket scientist living in the village of Amelia today...and the beat goes on...

[Barefoot]

I wonder how many of those under 55 residing within The Villages would be considered indigent? Five of those arrested in the Palo Alto drug bust are considered indigent according to the unnameable online news source.I thought the indigents in Palo Alto were renters, not adult children living with their parents.
One wonders about them claiming to be indigent, because of the drugs found in the house.

[xcaligirl]

I don't think we're saying ALL of them but there are quite a few who do live here either with their parents or grandparents who are not the best example of a human being. Just by reading the paper, there are a lot of the 'kids' living with family who commit the crimes and have drug issues.

[Allegiance]

People should be more understanding. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170718/ec10e7b491d4103c25d0572bd344dedd.jpg

[Primera199]

I believed that children that moved back with their parents could only stay 90 days and why isn't anything being done about it!

[rubicon]

In my view it takes a lazy thinker to quickly conclude that the source of our small crime problem rests with adult children living here.

In fact we ought to celebrate because our crime problem is minimal given the size of this population and the manner in which this community operates. My hats off to our law enforcement people

[biker1]

If you no longer have a copy of your deed restrictions, which would have been given to you at closing or perhaps earlier, they can be found on districtgov.org:

VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/community-standards/deedrestrict-SumterCounty.aspx)

Essentially, there is 30 day limit on anyone under the age of 19. The deed restrictions may vary from unit to unit within a CDD. Mine are only 8 pages long. They are worth reading/rereading. Keep in mind that enforcement of the deed restrictions is essentially complaint driven. Specific questions can always be directed to your CDD. There is contact information on districtgov.org.

I believed that children that moved back with their parents could only stay 90 days and why isn't anything being done about it!

[biker1]

I was also wondering about any bartender responsibility (legal). In FL, apparently, in a legal sense, there isn't any as long as the person being served is over 21 and the bartender is not aware of an alcohol addiction. Here is one interpretation of the law:

Florida’s liquor liability laws are covered under Florida’s Dram Shop Act, which can be found in Florida Statutes, Section 768.125. Its legislature created liability for bars and establishments under certain conditions for any injury or death that results from intoxication. What the statute says is that a person who sells or furnishes alcohol to a person of lawful drinking age shall not become liable for any injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of a person.

So, generally, if you sell or give alcohol to a person who’s over the age of 21 in Florida, you’re not responsible at all for any injury. But a person who willfully or unlawfully sells or furnishes alcohol to a person who is not of lawful drinking age or who knowingly serves a person habitually addicted to the use of alcohol may become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such a minor or person.

So, what the law says is that in general a social host is not responsible for anything that happens as a result of them serving alcohol to people over the age of 21. However, if the social host, or any establishment, serves alcohol to somebody who’s under 21, or to somebody who’s habitually addicted to alcohol, they may be responsible for any injury resulting to that minor or to somebody else as a result of that minor’s or alcoholic’s intoxication.

Another brain surgeon inTV,last night a 36 yr old visiting his father consumes at least 5 drinks and launches a 51 yr old woman out of a golf cart, he leaves her in a flower bed before he got arrested--honestly, there should be some responsibility with the bar tender where he was drinking,too

[mtdjed]

Wow! What a string of complaints! I for one never was promised that when I bought in The Villages that this was my pass to Heaven and that only old people were good enough to live here because they do no wrong. Along with that, a promise that none of those nasty younger folks would ever be allowed to enter.

[Topspinmo]

Wow! What a string of complaints! I for one never was promised that when I bought in The Villages that this was my pass to Heaven and that only old people were good enough to live here because they do no wrong. Along with that, a promise that none of those nasty younger folks would ever be allowed to enter.


IMO It's supposed to be retirement community, not frat house, day day care center, or prison half way house. IMO many more that two in household card carrying residents should have to pay extra amenities for the freeloaders.

[Bogie Shooter]

I believed that children that moved back with their parents could only stay 90 days and why isn't anything being done about it!

You believed wrong............................

[Barefoot]

I believed that children that moved back with their parents could only stay 90 days and why isn't anything being done about it!
That is true, but only if the children are under the age of 19. Otherwise no time limit.
In a lot of cases, I believe the problem "kids" are renters, not adult children living with their parents.

[outlaw]

The Villages propaganda claims a 80/20 split on age.

We have had two families move in on our street that are age 50 and 51 and one year ago another family a block away again age 50. so what are the odds that given an 80/20 split we would have had three families in our neighborhood age 50-51?

I asked long ago who keeps the statistics that show this 80/20 split is being adhered too. and the response from many was who care. I am fine with people 50-51 moving in. However I do care when government intentionally blurs the lines of rules and regulation policies and compliance's or allows them to lapse because the community suffers.

3 homes out of 15 is 80/20?
I would think you have at least 15 homes within a block or two of you.

[Jack9696]

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[graciegirl]

it is soooo aggravating that nothing is being done about it. There bringing our villages name to a new low

Here are the rules. NO child under 19 can stay, live, rent, hang around in a Villages home more than 30 days in a calendar year.

Any child over the age of 19 can stay, live, rent, hang around in a Villages home all of the time. It is not illegal nor does it break any rules or deed restrictions.

The Villages is an age restricted community. It is a Federal program that requires the 80/20. In our case it is 55 years of age.

Here is some more explanation of this nice feature that some folks, younger and they think wiser want to get rid of....I like it and it is one of the reason I moved here. Don't get me wrong, I love younger people and little ones but they are the ones in the population that bring problems, sadly.

Here, read this;

Protecting the Age Restricted Status of Your Community (http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/article/Community/Protecting_Age-Restricted_Status)

[Barefoot]

Protecting the Age Restricted Status of Your Community (http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/article/Community/Protecting_Age-Restricted_Status)
I wonder how closely the Developers monitor renters. :confused:

[Wiotte]

I wonder how closely the Developers monitor renters. :confused:




Putting myself out on a limb here, so here goes. No monitoring. [emoji15]


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[manaboutown]

The online unmentionable news seems to rather frequently report on felonious activities by under 55 Villages residents. Frankly, their apparent large numbers i find shocking!

[golfing eagles]

The online unmentionable news seems to rather frequently report on felonious activities by under 55 Villages residents. Frankly, their apparent large numbers i find shocking!

Why shocking?

20% of home OWNERS can be under 55. That's 20% of about 57,000 homes or 11,400. Many of those would have a spouse also under 55, so let's add another 8,600 for a total of 20,000. Now add spouses under 55 of an owner over 55---2 or 3,000? Add renters under 55, add "adult children" under 55 living with parents/grandparents. Then add 30 days of the under 19 crowd/year. My guess is over 30,000 residents/guests under 55. Now add locals who come to the squares or shopping plazas.

[Taltarzac725]

Why shocking?

20% of home OWNERS can be under 55. That's 20% of about 57,000 homes or 11,400. Many of those would have a spouse also under 55, so let's add another 8,600 for a total of 20,000. Now add spouses under 55 of an owner over 55---2 or 3,000? Add renters under 55, add "adult children" under 55 living with parents/grandparents. Then add 30 days of the under 19 crowd/year. My guess is over 30,000 residents/guests under 55. Now add locals who come to the squares or shopping plazas.

How about all the over 55s who do things wrong like the man who shot up a woman's front door (33 rounds) because he was infatuated with her. She would not go into his hot tub. Villages man 'infatuated' with neighbor accused of shooting 33 rounds into her home | WFTV (http://www.wftv.com/news/local/villages-man-infatuated-with-neighbor-accused-of-shooting-33-rounds-into-her-home/354901209)

You will find people committing crimes at every age.

[golfing eagles]

How about all the over 55s who do things wrong like the man who shot up a woman's front door (33 rounds) because he was infatuated with her. She would not go into his hot tub. Villages man 'infatuated' with neighbor accused of shooting 33 rounds into her home | WFTV (http://www.wftv.com/news/local/villages-man-infatuated-with-neighbor-accused-of-shooting-33-rounds-into-her-home/354901209)

You will find people committing crimes at every age.

Very true.

I wasn't addressing the age of the criminals, just the demographics of TV

[Allegiance]

The fact that a door shooting was committed by someone over 55 has NOTHING to do with the thread or the point.

[Taltarzac725]

Very true.

I wasn't addressing the age of the criminals, just the demographics of TV.

People with very bad addictions of various kinds probably do not make it to 55. My younger brother was here for about 18 months but had a D.U.I. and leaving the scene of the accident around 2012 on Morse and CR466. The car he was driving hit one of those huge tires on the jack upped trucks. Damage to my parent's car but little damage to that big truck's tire. Was locked up but still could not break the alcoholic addiction he had from 1998 onward. He was a great computer programmer for big banks and insurance companies doing life insurance annuity calculations. My parents though had to throw him out of the house when he kept on with his drinking. He wound up in Tampa then St. Pete where he was doing great until the church program he was in got terminated because it had brought in a child sex abuser into its drug addiction treatment program. They were sometimes around kids in the church. My younger brother was working and getting better in that program. But when it was cancelled-- the child sex abuser had also been one of his roommates-- he started drinking again. This was the last bout of that addiction as he ruined his vital organs ability to heal. He died after a week in a coma. We went to his funeral service at the church which had had the treatment center which was no longer serving people in the community because of that lack of doing a thorough background check on the child sexual abuser. This child sex abuser was probably around 28 at that time. And from Michigan or one of those northern states.

This was in mid December of 2014 that they held his funeral in St Petersburg or near there. My younger brother was 51. This was a few months after my sister-in-law's brother took his own life after he also had been kicked out of their house in Burke, VA after he would not give up his semi-auto weapons he so much beloved. He was also a paranoid schizophrenic. Probably around 58 or 59 though in 2014. He had been a yoga meditation instructor in India living and working there but then his mentor died and he was a bit adrift. Had been a medical student going to become a doctor but somehow became more attracted to yoga in India and had lived over there for probably 12 years or more.

[thelegges]

80/20 has to do with who is on the deed, not who lives in the home. We see many children moving here to take care of parents. Thank them for that.

[Taltarzac725]

80/20 has to do with who is on the deed, not who lives in the home. We see many children moving here to take care of parents. Thank them for that.

My nurse friend moved here I believe to take care of her mother with the aid of her sister who is also here in the Villages. The mother passed so she eventually went back to work as a nurse in this area. She has other family responsibilities too though as many of us do.

I know a number of Villagers who have sisters or brothers who also live in the Villages. And some of these do have kids in tow. Sometimes younger than 19 so they have to move to one of the areas for those who are still active with homework and the other responsibilities of being a parent of a school age child.

[Barefoot]

80/20 has to do with who is on the deed, not who lives in the home.
I interpreted the document that Gracie posted to mean just the opposite. :shrug:

"At least 80 percent of the units are occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older; "

[Allegiance]

People with very bad addictions of various kinds probably do not make it to 55. My younger brother was here for about 18 months but had a D.U.I. and leaving the scene of the accident around 2012 on Morse and CR466. The car he was driving hit one of those huge tires on the jack upped trucks. Damage to my parent's car but little damage to that big truck's tire. Was locked up but still could not break the alcoholic addiction he had from 1998 onward. He was a great computer programmer for big banks and insurance companies doing life insurance annuity calculations. My parents though had to throw him out of the house when he kept on with his drinking. He wound up in Tampa then St. Pete where he was doing great until the church program he was in got terminated because it had brought in a child sex abuser into its drug addiction treatment program. They were sometimes around kids in the church. My younger brother was working and getting better in that program. But when it was cancelled-- the child sex abuser had also been one of his roommates-- he started drinking again. This was the last bout of that addiction as he ruined his vital organs ability to heal. He died after a week in a coma. We went to his funeral service at the church which had had the treatment center which was no longer serving people in the community because of that lack of doing a thorough background check on the child sexual abuser. This child sex abuser was probably around 28 at that time. And from Michigan or one of those northern states.

This was in mid December of 2014 that they held his funeral in St Petersburg or near there. My younger brother was 51. This was a few months after my sister-in-law's brother took his own life after he also had been kicked out of their house in Burke, VA after he would not give up his semi-auto weapons he so much beloved. He was also a paranoid schizophrenic. Probably around 58 or 59 though in 2014. He had been a yoga meditation instructor in India living and working there but then his mentor died and he was a bit adrift. Had been a medical student going to become a doctor but somehow became more attracted to yoga in India and had lived over there for probably 12 years or more.Yes, so true.

[Taltarzac725]

I interpreted the document that Gracie posted to mean just the opposite. :shrug:

"At least 80 percent of the units are occupied by at least one person who is 55 years of age or older; "

I wonder what "occupied" means under the law? Some of my friends/neighbors are off on cruises and the like a good part of the year. Know some who are up in North Carolina, Georgia and elsewhere for six months each year. Sometimes they have adult kids staying there; sometimes they do not. They might rent these places out during that time or just have a relative staying there.

[Barefoot]

I wonder what "occupied" means under the law? I'm assuming that "occupied" means the owner, renter, or someone under lease. :shrug:
I wouldn't think it would mean company or friends that just pop by from time to time.

[Taltarzac725]

55 & Over Housing: What is the 80/20 Rule? - April 1, 2010 - Florida Condo & HOA Law Blog (http://www.floridacondohoalawblog.com/2010/04/01/55-over-housing-what-is-the-8020-rule/)

I found this quite interesting.