Is impeachment in potus future?

[jebartle]

Congress (GOP) is too busy with their own agenda, no real concern for the country. Constant drip, drip, drip. When will the drip become the BOMB!

[MikeV]

In a word NO!


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[dbussone]

In a word NO!


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Darn straight!


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[Taltarzac725]

Darn straight!


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Probably not until the Democrats take the majority of the House and more people change their minds about Donald John Trump but that would mean they would have to accept that fact that they were wrong about him which is very hard for many people to do. Nixon still has a lot of fans for instance.

[Love2Swim]

He obviously should be impeached, but the Republican congress will be reluctant to do that to one of their own, unless he does something really drastic like murder someone.

[Taltarzac725]

He obviously should be impeached, but the Republican congress will be reluctant to do that to one of their own, unless he does something really drastic like murder someone.

The funny thing is that he seems far from the Reagan vision of a limited government in many areas. And he seems to be taking away from consumer protections and the like for the benefit of large businesses.

Trump Budget: Big CFPB Cuts Would Kill Consumer Watchdog | Money (http://time.com/money/4790486/trump-budget-2018-cuts-cfpb-consumers/)

[dbussone]

He obviously should be impeached, but the Republican congress will be reluctant to do that to one of their own, unless he does something really drastic like murder someone.



You mean like the Clintons have been doing for decades?


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[MDLNB]

He obviously should be impeached, but the Republican congress will be reluctant to do that to one of their own, unless he does something really drastic like murder someone.

It's obvious that you do not know the definition of "impeach" or you would also understand that you can't impeach someone just because you do not like him.

Now I understand why Hillary had a following. Stupid people.

[MDLNB]

Gotta love it when some TROLL throws out a thread like this. First off, you do not know what "Impeach" means or you would not throw it out so easily.

Second, you have to have a crime that was committed. Give me the statute that Trump has violated while in office.

Third, you have to have a congressional majority willing to vote to impeach. Until you get a Democrat majority, there will be no impeachment.

Fourth, please keep throwing cr@p at the wall, expecting something to stick, because the more you do it the closer we get to the next election. This is a great way for you to lose more liberal seats in congress.

[dbussone]

Gotta love it when some TROLL throws out a thread like this. First off, you do not know what "Impeach" means or you would not throw it out so easily.

Second, you have to have a crime that was committed. Give me the statute that Trump has violated while in office.

Third, you have to have a congressional majority willing to vote to impeach. Until you get a Democrat majority, there will be no impeachment.

Fourth, please keep throwing cr@p at the wall, expecting something to stick, because the more you do it the closer we get to the next election. This is a great way for you to lose more liberal seats in congress.



Right on point. I'm sure there are many who hate when that happens. [emoji41][emoji106]


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[ColdNoMore]

You mean like the Clintons have been doing for decades?


:1rotfl: :1rotfl:


You are truly unfvckingbelievable...and lack any credibility. :oops:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[rubicon]

You know one of the side effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome is similar to dehydration. It comes on you quickly and you become very disoriented and your thinking is cloudy and illogical.

For instance the Democrats rather than working with the Administration to advance policy(s) that both sides could come to terms on ,for the benefit of their respective constituents, did this instead.

They went on the floor of Congress and read aloud all the e-mails pertaining to Donald Jr. meeting with Natalia.

Of course they didn't, well actually couldn't read any of the e-mails Hillary sent over her personal server on the floor of Congress because they were all TOP SECRET:D

And so like Pinocchio's all they play on the Island of Fun not noticing that they are growing ears and tails. Well I guess making an ass of yourself is appropriate in this case:D

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

You know one of the side effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome is similar to dehydration. It comes on you quickly and you become very disoriented and your thinking is cloudy and illogical.

For instance the Democrats rather than working with the Administration to advance policy(s) that both sides could come to terms on ,for the benefit of their respective constituents, did this instead.

They went on the floor of Congress and read aloud all the e-mails pertaining to Donald Jr. meeting with Natalia.

Of course they didn't, well actually couldn't read any of the e-mails Hillary sent over her personal server on the floor of Congress because they were all TOP SECRET

And so like Pinocchio's all they play on the Island of Fun not noticing that they are growing ears and tails. Well I guess making an ass of yourself is appropriate in this case

Personal Best Regards:

Why is it that those who are afflicted with the real Trump Derangement Syndrome (the inability to admit that the POTUS is a lying, bigoted, misogynistic, egomaniacal gutter scumbag)...refuse to acknowledge actual facts? :oops:

Trump's ever-shrinking base, is primarily composed of those who would have also easily rallied behind...history's most despicable dictators/despots.

That they aren't smart enough to admit their mistake or accept actual facts, pretty much says it all about how their loyalty belongs to an egotistical real estate developer...and not to the interests of this great nation. :ohdear:

Chump's idol worship of Putin, is based on the fact that Putin has absolute control over Russia and Trump only wishes that he had the same over America/American's...as he did in his small real estate business.




Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Rockyrd]

Poll: Trump's six-month approval rating hits historic low

President Donald Trump has hit the lowest approval rating of any president during their first six months in office in 70 years, according to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.

Poll: Trump's six-month approval rating hits historic low - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/16/trump-approval-rating-historic-low-240598)

[Rockyrd]

"President Trump’s standing with the American people has deteriorated since the spring, buffeted by perceptions of a decline in U.S. leadership abroad, a stalled presidential agenda at home and an unpopular Republican health-care bill, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Approaching six months in office, Trump’s overall approval rating has dropped to 36 percent from 42 percent in April. His disapproval rating has risen five points to 58 percent. Overall, 48 percent say they “disapprove strongly” of Trump’s performance in office, a level never reached by former presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and reached only in the second term of George W. Bush in Post-ABC polling."

Poll finds Trump’s standing weakened since springtime - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-finds-trump-standing-weakened-since-springtime/2017/07/15/2decf03a-68d2-11e7-9928-22d00a47778f_story.html?utm_term=.3c4afd3a2d57)

[Sandtrap328]

1. Too early to be talking impeachment. Being brash, egotistical, a jerk, or having a huge disapproval rating are not impeachable grounds. Wait until Mueller and his committee has actually begun testimony from Trump's workers, family, staff and come to a conclusion.

2. Impeachment of a Republican president with a Republican Congress is a ridiculous thing to talk about.

3. Impeachment is the most serious of all political events. It cannot be taken lightly. No American President has been impeached and found guilty.

[Joe De Vito]

1. Too early to be talking impeachment. Being brash, egotistical, a jerk, or having a huge disapproval rating are not impeachable grounds. Wait until Mueller and his committee has actually begun testimony from Trump's workers, family, staff and come to a conclusion.

2. Impeachment of a Republican president with a Republican Congress is a ridiculous thing to talk about.

3. Impeachment is the most serious of all political events. It cannot be taken lightly. No American President has been impeached and found guilty.

Mueller is the key. If he comes out with impeachable offensives, impeachment may be put forward. You need 2/3 of the Senate to impeach. Let's face it, Republican senators have no balls. They are so afraid of losing their seat that would sell their soul to the devil to keep it.

Trump would have to do something really stupid for them to go against him. So, there really is a chance, because Trump is that stupid.

Besides the Republican leaders in the Senate and House love Trump, or at least they will put up with him. Trump doesn't have a clue what he is doing. All the work is being done in the Houses. They are the ones in power. Trump is just there with pen in hand to sign everything they give him. Then he will wave the signed document like it was something he really worked hard on. The party after the signing is something everyone has to attend.

[Rockyrd]

Mueller is the key. If he comes out with impeachable offensives, impeachment may be put forward. You need 2/3 of the Senate to impeach. Let's face it, Republican senators have no balls. They are so afraid of losing their seat that would sell their soul to the devil to keep it.

Trump would have to do something really stupid for them to go against him. So, there really is a chance, because Trump is that stupid.

Besides the Republican leaders in the Senate and House love Trump, or at least they will put up with him. Trump doesn't have a clue what he is doing. All the work is being done in the Houses. They are the ones in power. Trump is just there with pen in hand to sign everything they give him. Then he will wave the signed document like it was something he really worked hard on. The party after the signing is something everyone has to attend.

Point well taken. He can committ murder and unless the votes are there, he will not be impeached.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Congress (GOP) is too busy with their own agenda, no real concern for the country. Constant drip, drip, drip. When will the drip become the BOMB!

Ridiculous

[Rockyrd]

1. Too early to be talking impeachment. Being brash, egotistical, a jerk, or having a huge disapproval rating are not impeachable grounds. Wait until Mueller and his committee has actually begun testimony from Trump's workers, family, staff and come to a conclusion.

2. Impeachment of a Republican president with a Republican Congress is a ridiculous thing to talk about.

3. Impeachment is the most serious of all political events. It cannot be taken lightly. No American President has been impeached and found guilty.

Good post and something both those for and against Trump need to understand.

My opinion is depends on what Mueller comes up with. We have never ever had a family running the country and. at this point, flirting with colluding with a foreign power, in history and that fact will make a huge difference.

If any of the innnuendos prove out and Trump even comes close to having the slightest of involvement, I cannot see any american citizen, especially one who is wanting votes NOT voting for impeachment.

I realize the base of Trump will not care......I have simply given up on anything but saying they are about as unamerican as any group can be.....but consorting with a foreign power is a bit outside every norm ever,

But you are correct, it will be based on what they have found proof of and then we go from there. There will be outrage from the alt right radical extremist who are anti america, but I feel confident that would fall on deaf ears, although as I said many months ago.....Trump will not go easy. He is totally unamerican and in his mind....america is his

[Taltarzac725]

Good post and something both those for and against Trump need to understand.

My opinion is depends on what Mueller comes up with. We have never ever had a family running the country and. at this point, flirting with colluding with a foreign power, in history and that fact will make a huge difference.

If any of the innnuendos prove out and Trump even comes close to having the slightest of involvement, I cannot see any american citizen, especially one who is wanting votes NOT voting for impeachment.

I realize the base of Trump will not care......I have simply given up on anything but saying they are about as unamerican as any group can be.....but consorting with a foreign power is a bit outside every norm ever,

But you are correct, it will be based on what they have found proof of and then we go from there. There will be outrage from the alt right radical extremist who are anti america, but I feel confident that would fall on deaf ears, although as I said many months ago.....Trump will not go easy. He is totally unamerican and in his mind....america is his

What I do not understand is that Donald John Trump is clearly for big business and his billionaire friends when judged from his actions. This man is not for the ordinary Republican Joe or Jane. His is a kleptocracy. A rule by the rich for the rich. Trump is ushering in a kleptocracy. That's why he is being sued | Joshua Matz | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/14/trump-ushering-kleptocracy-why-being-sued)

[Don Baldwin]

What I do not understand is that Donald John Trump is clearly for big business and his billionaire friends when judged from his actions. This man is not for the ordinary Republican Joe or Jane. His is a kleptocracy. A rule by the rich for the rich. Trump is ushering in a kleptocracy. That's why he is being sued | Joshua Matz | Opinion | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/14/trump-ushering-kleptocracy-why-being-sued)

And so would ANY of the R presidential candidates. So would Hillary. That's WHAT THEY DO...the politicians work for those who paid the $ billion it costs to win a presidential election.

[refeik]

congress (gop) is too busy with their own agenda, no real concern for the country. Constant drip, drip, drip. When will the drip become the bomb!

just a matter of time !!!

[rubicon]

George W tried to play by the rules and conducted himself civilly graciously and with class and what did it get him?

Mitt Romney also tried to play it straight was gracious, civil a gentlemen's gentleman and what did it get him?

Obama always the charmer but in the manner of a "snake charmer" and look what it got him Adoration from the press, Hollywood...why it even sent a chill up Chris Matthews leg. but none of the aforementioned seem to want to talk about the mess he left us in.

Well now we have a street brawler in the White House that makes no pretense nor apologies...and in today's American political landscape that is the only way one can survive and thrive.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

George W tried to play by the rules and conducted himself civilly graciously and with class and what did it get him?

Mitt Romney also tried to play it straight was gracious, civil a gentlemen's gentleman and what did it get him?

Obama always the charmer but in the manner of a "snake charmer" and look what it got him Adoration from the press, Hollywood...why it even sent a chill up Chris Matthews leg. but none of the aforementioned seem to want to talk about the mess he left us in.

Well now we have a street brawler in the White House that makes no pretense nor apologies...and in today's American political landscape that is the only way one can survive and thrive.

Personal Best Regards:

Street brawlers tell the truth. A basic ingredient on the street is that you are only as good as your word.

Lying, by he and now his entire family, and doing it chronicly equals

A LIAR and someone not to trust

[BIGPOPPA]

Howdy doin. I seeing that yo peoples in the same spoti than i Seen yo in 2 weekie ago. The Presidente Clinton and the lady who beat him out because he is the crookie person do bad thins foreber my life. Presidente De Trump the best causeing he make eberybodie try to becoming the legle us\ citizen lick me. i study the booke berry much. I proud for be american i proud my country i prod my best Presiden. i no licking the lady who wrunning for the boss spot. Sh no safisfie the presedent how sh saisfie the people the usa? Tell me something nice. I no drinng about 1 moth. Is better fore me and the my family me no drunking. Is easyer to stayng no drinkind stooping no easy thin i tell to you.

[Love2Swim]

It's obvious that you do not know the definition of "impeach" or you would also understand that you can't impeach someone just because you do not like him.

Now I understand why Hillary had a following. Stupid people.

The people that voted for this loser of a operson are the stupid ones. Talk about being rubes. Trump is about making things easier for himself and his rich buddies. Very little if that will trickle down to the average Joe. As far as impeachment, anyone who is literate and reads or listens to the news can see that Trump is flirting with impeachment. Using his power to impede Comey's investigation, then firing Comey when he wouldn't go along with it, is clear obstruction of justice. Then add in possible colliusion with the Russians - you certainly have to have your head buried in the sand if you don't think there is something wrong with this behavior. It is clearly an escalating pattern of misconduct, which has been grounds for impeachment in the past. It will be interesting to see what Mueller comes up with. If his investigation confirms what we are seeing in the media as far as obstruction of justice and Russian collusion, it will come down to Congress. Can they forego the intense partisan loyalty of Republicans and do the right thing, what is best for the country?

[MDLNB]

The people that voted for this loser of a operson are the stupid ones. Talk about being rubes. Trump is about making things easier for himself and his rich buddies. Very little if that will trickle down to the average Joe. As far as impeachment, anyone who is literate and reads or listens to the news can see that Trump is flirting with impeachment. Using his power to impede Comey's investigation, then firing Comey when he wouldn't go along with it, is clear obstruction of justice. Then add in possible colliusion with the Russians - you certainly have to have your head buried in the sand if you don't think there is something wrong with this behavior. It is clearly an escalating pattern of misconduct, which has been grounds for impeachment in the past. It will be interesting to see what Mueller comes up with. If his investigation confirms what we are seeing in the media as far as obstruction of justice and Russian collusion, it will come down to Congress. Can they forego the intense partisan loyalty of Republicans and do the right thing, what is best for the country?

What a D.A. comment. Noting but Troll material from the left. Movin' on...........

[Taltarzac725]

The people that voted for this loser of a operson are the stupid ones. Talk about being rubes. Trump is about making things easier for himself and his rich buddies. Very little if that will trickle down to the average Joe. As far as impeachment, anyone who is literate and reads or listens to the news can see that Trump is flirting with impeachment. Using his power to impede Comey's investigation, then firing Comey when he wouldn't go along with it, is clear obstruction of justice. Then add in possible colliusion with the Russians - you certainly have to have your head buried in the sand if you don't think there is something wrong with this behavior. It is clearly an escalating pattern of misconduct, which has been grounds for impeachment in the past. It will be interesting to see what Mueller comes up with. If his investigation confirms what we are seeing in the media as far as obstruction of justice and Russian collusion, it will come down to Congress. Can they forego the intense partisan loyalty of Republicans and do the right thing, what is best for the country?

I sure hope so but will be very surprised if they do.

[Sandtrap328]

The people that voted for this loser of a operson are the stupid ones. Talk about being rubes. Trump is about making things easier for himself and his rich buddies. Very little if that will trickle down to the average Joe. As far as impeachment, anyone who is literate and reads or listens to the news can see that Trump is flirting with impeachment. Using his power to impede Comey's investigation, then firing Comey when he wouldn't go along with it, is clear obstruction of justice. Then add in possible colliusion with the Russians - you certainly have to have your head buried in the sand if you don't think there is something wrong with this behavior. It is clearly an escalating pattern of misconduct, which has been grounds for impeachment in the past. It will be interesting to see what Mueller comes up with. If his investigation confirms what we are seeing in the media as far as obstruction of justice and Russian collusion, it will come down to Congress. Can they forego the intense partisan loyalty of Republicans and do the right thing, what is best for the country?

You have to remember that the Right Wing Nuts who post on (and read) The Talk Of The Villages are not indicative of the nation as a whole.

You have Don Baldwin (publisher of a white supremacist site), Rubicon (a fool), MDLNB, (an ignorant nut job), and Dirtbank. None of these are playing with a full deck - but have their First Amendment Rights to their lunacy.

Hey guys, want to go have a drink with me and some leftists?

[Rockyrd]

You have to remember that the Right Wing Nuts who post on (and read) The Talk Of The Villages are not indicative of the nation as a whole.

You have Don Baldwin (publisher of a white supremacist site), Rubicon (a fool), MDLNB, (an ignorant nut job), and Dirtbank. None of these are playing with a full deck - but have their First Amendment Rights to their lunacy.

Hey guys, want to go have a drink with me and some leftists?

Very perceptive.....you pegged those 4.... there are a few others..not many but a few. I just suggest that all the adjectives you used to describe these persons, fit them all. To me they are ALL...fools, ignorant, nut jobs and not playing with a full deck. They do fit ALL the traits of what you read crawl around all those sine sites.

They use the same arguments, the same terms, the same kind of language. They are all anti 1st amendment, anti American and have sucked up all the conspiracy theories..

[Love2Swim]

You have to remember that the Right Wing Nuts who post on (and read) The Talk Of The Villages are not indicative of the nation as a whole.

You have Don Baldwin (publisher of a white supremacist site), Rubicon (a fool), MDLNB, (an ignorant nut job), and Dirtbank. None of these are playing with a full deck - but have their First Amendment Rights to their lunacy.

Hey guys, want to go have a drink with me and some leftists?

:agree:

[Love2Swim]

Very perceptive.....you pegged those 4.... there are a few others..not many but a few. I just suggest that all the adjectives you used to describe these persons, fit them all. To me they are ALL...fools, ignorant, nut jobs and not playing with a full deck. They do fit ALL the traits of what you read crawl around all those sine sites.

They use the same arguments, the same terms, the same kind of language. They are all anti 1st amendment, anti American and have sucked up all the conspiracy theories..

How true.

[Taltarzac725]

More Trump Impeachment Articles for Obstruction of Justice Are Coming, Rep. Al Green Says (http://www.newsweek.com/impeachment-trump-al-green-democrats-637388)

This is interesting.

On another note, the First Amendment does not protect people against libel, online harassment, cyber stalking, and a large number of other considerations. Libel & defamation | First Amendment Center – news, commentary, analysis on free speech, press, religion, assembly, petition (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/libel-defamation/)

I really like this-- Street Harassment and the Law: Freedom of Speech, Fighting Words, and the Reasonable Man Standard | Stop Street Harassment (http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/strategies/sshlaw-3concepts/)

[Don Baldwin]

Very perceptive.....you pegged those 4.... there are a few others..not many but a few. I just suggest that all the adjectives you used to describe these persons, fit them all. To me they are ALL...fools, ignorant, nut jobs and not playing with a full deck. They do fit ALL the traits of what you read crawl around all those sine sites.

They use the same arguments, the same terms, the same kind of language. They are all anti 1st amendment, anti American and have sucked up all the conspiracy theories..

You found the black villages? That 99% black neighborhood of 150,000 just like the villages?

You found the black MIT or Oxford equivalent?

You found the black Einstein or Newton?

You found a black country that doesn't suck?

Yes...we use the same arguments because you haven't answered us. WHERE IS this equality of which you speak? I don't see it anywhere. I see every time you get more blacks...things get worse.

You keep telling us we're wrong...but NEVER offer anything to PROVE it. I keep SHOWING you the inequality. I can show you right now...lets take a trip to MLK Blvd...we'll see how different they are from us. Lets take a trip to a mostly black high school...We'll again see how different they are from us. We can go ANYWHERE there are a majority of blacks and see how different they are from us.

What is your criteria for calling them equal? What DOES "equal" mean to you? I always figured it was the capability to do the same things. Blacks CAN'T do the same things as white people. 150 years have proved it, they're STILL needy and require direction, they STILL can't take care of themselves. WHY?

[noslices1]

I seriously hope that the Democrats keep up this "impeach" talk about Trump. Their party is imploding, and I predict the Republicans will take another 9 or 10 Senate seats and another dozen or so House seats in 2018. I love it when a plan comes together.

[Rockyrd]

You found the black villages? That 99% black neighborhood of 150,000 just like the villages?

You found the black MIT or Oxford equivalent?

You found the black Einstein or Newton?

You found a black country that doesn't suck?

Yes...we use the same arguments because you haven't answered us. WHERE IS this equality of which you speak? I don't see it anywhere. I see every time you get more blacks...things get worse.

You keep telling us we're wrong...but NEVER offer anything to PROVE it. I keep SHOWING you the inequality. I can show you right now...lets take a trip to MLK Blvd...we'll see how different they are from us. Lets take a trip to a mostly black high school...We'll again see how different they are from us. We can go ANYWHERE there are a majority of blacks and see how different they are from us.

What is your criteria for calling them equal? What DOES "equal" mean to you? I always figured it was the capability to do the same things. Blacks CAN'T do the same things as white people. 150 years have proved it, they're STILL needy and require direction, they STILL can't take care of themselves. WHY?

Again...

Do you live IN The Villages ?

[Don Baldwin]

Again...

Do you live IN The Villages ?

AGAIN...

Answer the question...

WHERE are blacks equal? WHERE is "their villages"? WHERE is their top school? WHERE is their great country? WHERE are they equal? WHY are ALL black neighborhoods dirty? WHY are they ALL dangerous?

[Rockyrd]

AGAIN...

Answer the question...

WHERE are blacks equal? WHERE is "their villages"? WHERE is their top school? WHERE is their great country? WHERE are they equal? WHY are ALL black neighborhoods dirty? WHY are they ALL dangerous?

So you do not live in The Villages.

Were you referred here by one of the other known radical alt right sites ?

[Taltarzac725]

Personally Allegiance is the worst of the bunch. Let's get him off of here ASAP. He breaks the law of Florida often with his harassment of me on TOTV. This should not be encouraged by anyone. If he posts anything offensive on the Regular Forum COMPLAIN so that is the end of his posting privileges. He deserves to be kicked off of TOTV.

I do not like Donald Baldwin's racism but he does have a First Amendment right to say stuff that makes him look like an ignorant man. But Allegiance's persistent harassment of me is breaking the laws of the State of Florida.

[Allegiance]

Personally Allegiance is the worst of the bunch. Let's get him off of here ASAP. He breaks the law of Florida often with his harassment of me on TOTV. This should not be encouraged by anyone. If he posts anything offensive on the Regular Forum COMPLAIN so that is the end of his posting privileges. He deserves to be kicked off of TOTV.

I do not like Donald Baldwin's racism but he does have a First Amendment right to say stuff that makes him look like an ignorant man. But Allegiance's persistent harassment of me is breaking the laws of the State of Florida.Thank you Wackjob for continuing to make my point and also for perfectly representing what the resist movement looks like.

Like a bunch of wackjobs.

[bbbbbb]

It seems to us that a large percentage of the population does not understand Mr. Trump.
It is a mystery to some that Mr. Trump is a Business Man, he is not a typical gov leach or travel travel bum.
He has waived a salary and he would fly his own plane but Secret Service insists on Air Force One at great cost to the Taxpayers.

Relax folks, give him a chance. Would you rather have another misfit who was hauling all his ballplayers and family on one vacation after another?
Again, Mr. Trump is an accomplished business man, just give it some time and maybe you will be pleasantly surprised.

[David Ganus]

I wonder how someone so ignorant can remember to take a breath. Maybe it would be better for everyone if you did forget!

[Taltarzac725]

I wonder how someone so ignorant can remember to take a breath. Maybe it would be better for everyone if you did forget!

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/russia-scandal-could-dog-trumps-presidency-for-years-political-analyst-says.html

This is a good article on the problems the Russians will give Trump as his Presidency continues.

[Abby10]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/17/russia-scandal-could-dog-trumps-presidency-for-years-political-analyst-says.html

This is a good article on the problems the Russians will give Trump as his Presidency continues.

A bit off topic, but you seem to be interested in research, history, and movies. So I was wondering, have you watched the documentary Hillary's America? I'm just curious what you think of it. If you are a history buff, you should love it. The creator of the documentary also did one on Obama back in 2012 and it is amazing how accurate it proved to be.

[Taltarzac725]

A bit off topic, but you seem to be interested in research, history, and movies. So I was wondering, have you watched the documentary Hillary's America? I'm just curious what you think of it. If you are a history buff, you should love it. The creator of the documentary also did one on Obama back in 2012 and it is amazing how accurate it proved to be.

That looked more like fiction than fact as much of that Director's work is. Dinesh D'Souza - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza)

I am not a big fan of entrenched special interest controlled BRAND name politicians though like the Clintons. I thought that Trumps might be different but they are just bringing more dangerous creatures into that new swamp. Which is a version of the same old swamp in DC.

[Rockyrd]

A bit off topic, but you seem to be interested in research, history, and movies. So I was wondering, have you watched the documentary Hillary's America? I'm just curious what you think of it. If you are a history buff, you should love it. The creator of the documentary also did one on Obama back in 2012 and it is amazing how accurate it proved to be.

Reviews were wonderful...

"Just over a year ago, not long after being released from the confinement center where he spent an eight-month sentence, author, filmmaker and convicted felon Dinesh D’Souza took to Twitter to offer up his followers a photograph that purported to show a young Hillary Clinton with a Confederate flag prominently displayed behind her. Even a glaucoma victim could tell that it was a fake—a doctored version of a photo of her as a student as Wellesley in 1969 that ran in Life magazine—but somehow this managed to get by him. When he did eventually post a vague correction, he instead advised his followers to make fun of her glasses and hairdo, neither of which appear to be especially outrageous for a Wellesley student in the late ‘60s. Now imagine that photograph—dubiously sourced, factually questionable and suffused with nasty personal cracks instead of any legitimate insight or criticism—and you have D’Souza’s latest film, “Hillary’s America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party,” a work that almost makes his previous cinematic efforts, “2016: Obama’s America” and “America” seem lucid and well-reasoned by comparison. Little more than an extended version of the kind of political screeds that can be found online with only a minimum of effort, this is just a terrible movie, and, depending on the conditions that were set forth, there is a chance it could be considered a parole violation as well."

Hillary's America: The Secret History Of The Democratic Party Movie Review (2016) | Roger Ebert (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/hillarys-america-the-secret-history-of-the-democratic-party-2016)

WHY do people get totally sucked into and believe any movie like this FROM EITHER PARTY ?????

The election is OVER....maybe not in the White House but it is over and posts and people who post them simply contribute to the ongoing stupidity that is happening. WE NEED to govern our country....we need to complete the investigations which grow each day.

[Don Baldwin]

Personally Allegiance is the worst of the bunch. Let's get him off of here ASAP. He breaks the law of Florida often with his harassment of me on TOTV. This should not be encouraged by anyone. If he posts anything offensive on the Regular Forum COMPLAIN so that is the end of his posting privileges. He deserves to be kicked off of TOTV.

I do not like Donald Baldwin's racism but he does have a First Amendment right to say stuff that makes him look like an ignorant man. But Allegiance's persistent harassment of me is breaking the laws of the State of Florida.

Ignorant? So you KNOW where the black villages is? The black CalTech? Anything 99% black that doesn't suck? Where is it?

Only when you produce do I become ignorant. So produce.

[Rockyrd]

Ignorant? So you KNOW where the black villages is? The black CalTech? Anything 99% black that doesn't suck? Where is it?

Only when you produce do I become ignorant. So produce.

Perhaps others do not mind, but I find your posts on The Villages to be offensive and especially since you do not live here.

Take it back to your other hate site or sites.

[Allegiance]

That looked more like fiction than fact as much of that Director's work is. Dinesh D'Souza - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza)

I am not a big fan of entrenched special interest controlled BRAND name politicians though like the Clintons. I thought that Trumps might be different but they are just bringing more dangerous creatures into that new swamp. Which is a version of the same old swamp in DC.You were anti trump from the very beginning. What you said is another complete lie.

"I thought the trumps might be different "

[Abby10]

That looked more like fiction than fact as much of that Director's work is. Dinesh D'Souza - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza)

I am not a big fan of entrenched special interest controlled BRAND name politicians though like the Clintons. I thought that Trumps might be different but they are just bringing more dangerous creatures into that new swamp. Which is a version of the same old swamp in DC.

Did you watch it? Could you tell me what is fiction? I would really like to know. It seems that he interviewed some very well informed individuals including a female African American Vanderbilt professor who certainly seemed to know what she was talking about. Could you give me some points that you found to be fiction?

[Abby10]

That looked more like fiction than fact as much of that Director's work is. Dinesh D'Souza - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza)

I am not a big fan of entrenched special interest controlled BRAND name politicians though like the Clintons. I thought that Trumps might be different but they are just bringing more dangerous creatures into that new swamp. Which is a version of the same old swamp in DC.

Sorry, meant to comment on your last statement regarding Trump also. IMO, here is the problem with not being able to see Trump as different - it seems that the media will not allow that, due to their biased coverage and their constant barrage of rumor mongering instead of waiting for the truth to come out. They are painting their own picture of Trump that they want us to believe. I don't buy it until there is more evidence. I find much of the media to be shameful in the manner in which they are engaging. To me they are all lowering themselves to the level of Star, National Inquirer, and the like as far as reporting goes. I wouldn't hang my hat on any of them.

[Don Baldwin]

Perhaps others do not mind, but I find your posts on The Villages to be offensive and especially since you do not live here.

Take it back to your other hate site or sites.

The truth is often "offensive". It doesn't make it untrue. We're killing ourselves by lying to ourselves.


Did you watch it? Could you tell me what is fiction? I would really like to know. It seems that he interviewed some very well informed individuals including a female African American Vanderbilt professor who certainly seemed to know what she was talking about. Could you give me some points that you found to be fiction?

Seemed to know... Post something she's written and I'll tear it apart.

Equality is a LIE...they are NOT us. You see the 1% and they have you fooled. The 99% live in the inner cities, they live on MLK Blvd. Go visit them some Saturday night...see how "equal" they are to us.

[jebartle]

Sorry, meant to comment on your last statement regarding Trump also. IMO, here is the problem with not being able to see Trump as different - it seems that the media will not allow that, due to their biased coverage and their constant barrage of rumor mongering instead of waiting for the truth to come out. They are painting their own picture of Trump that they want us to believe. I don't buy it until there is more evidence. I find much of the media to be shameful in the manner in which they are engaging. To me they are all lowering themselves to the level of Star, National Inquirer, and the like as far as reporting goes. I wouldn't hang my hat on any of them.

Soooo, we are to believe you as the truth from a higher being???????

[Abby10]

The truth is often "offensive". It doesn't make it untrue. We're killing ourselves by lying to ourselves.




Seemed to know... Post something she's written and I'll tear it apart.

Equality is a LIE...they are NOT us. You see the 1% and they have you fooled. The 99% live in the inner cities, they live on MLK Blvd. Go visit them some Saturday night...see how "equal" they are to us.

I knew right after I posted this that I was either going to be called out for being a racist by someone on here (why did you have to mention her race, etc?), or you would be on my case because she is not only black but a female too, God forbid! Well, in retrospect I should not have said anything except "a Vanderbilt professor" because it really doesn't matter. The point is - was the material she presented fact or fiction? Although my question was specifically directed at Tal since he is researcher of all things, I would be happy to hear from anyone what their take is on the material presented in the documentary.

[Abby10]

Soooo, we are to believe you as the truth from a higher being???????

Why? Because I come on here and ask questions and want further information before deciding to throw someone under the bus? Better take a long look in the mirror, ma'am.

[Rockyrd]

Sorry, meant to comment on your last statement regarding Trump also. IMO, here is the problem with not being able to see Trump as different - it seems that the media will not allow that, due to their biased coverage and their constant barrage of rumor mongering instead of waiting for the truth to come out. They are painting their own picture of Trump that they want us to believe. I don't buy it until there is more evidence. I find much of the media to be shameful in the manner in which they are engaging. To me they are all lowering themselves to the level of Star, National Inquirer, and the like as far as reporting goes. I wouldn't hang my hat on any of them.

Abby, must call you on this post.

First, the media reports the news. They allow or disallow nothing. Trump has you convinced, with absolutely no logic at all, that they lie.

They are NOT painting a picture that is not true. If you were able to see my posts previous, Trump has ALWAYS LIED...ALWAYS PUT HIMSELF FIRST. I know I gave you some links to his past and you obviously did not read them.

His entire reputation is as a liar and a Trump first and everybody else last.

You mention the National Enquirer. You do know that is Trumps favorite paper, read daily by him and they assist him and have always tried to help him. THAT is all fact.

As far as all the stuff coming out, let me explain, but I suspect now that your always saying you want to learn is pretty much the same as Trump saying Fake news. You want to learn what is good for Trump, not facts.

The Washington Post and the New York Times and the CNN investigative area has ALWAYS,not just since Trump, been proud of investigative journalism. The post led the charge with Watergate. THIS IS NOT FAKE NEWS.....IT IS FACTUAL REPORTING THAT TRUMP WILL NOT ALLOW HIS SUPPORTERS TO EVEN READ. His attacks on the 1st ammendment and these people are all intended to brainwash a group already brainwashed.

Are they perfect ? Hell no, who is but every time I ask for an example of fake news all I get is crickets. You would think you people would be sick of him saying this over and over with no proof, but you say you come here for facts...right ?

Leaks, not good, but did you know that the main source of leaks is the White House ??????

Are you really happy with a President who is a proven liar of a compulsive nature ? Are you really happy with a White House whose words you cannot trust ?

Media reports all those lies and the day will come when it is vital to this country (getting truth from the WH) and you will welcome it.

[Don Baldwin]

I knew right after I posted this that I was either going to be called out for being a racist by someone on here (why did you have to mention her race, etc?), or you would be on my case because she is not only black but a female too, God forbid! Well, in retrospect I should not have said anything except "a Vanderbilt professor" because it really doesn't matter. The point is - was the material she presented fact or fiction? Although my question was specifically directed at Tal since he is researcher of all things, I would be happy to hear from anyone what their take is on the material presented in the documentary.

She's got 2 strikes against her...women in general are hardly open minded or logical...and blacks are even less open minded and logical.

It DOES matter. If the speaker is biased, you need to know.

Post some of her thoughts, I'm not wasting my time watching her. I'll tear them apart. They just make stuff up and call it a fact. It's not.

Want to be treated as an equal...be one. Where is the black villages, black top school, etc etc... Saying you're an equal doesn't make it so. The proof of inequality is the continued NEED for quotas. IF they were equals, they'd be hired as equals. The NBA and NFL are full of blacks because THAT is something they're actually good at. We don't hire them for other things because they suck at other things.

[Rockyrd]

She's got 2 strikes against her...women in general are hardly open minded or logical...and blacks are even less open minded and logical.

It DOES matter. If the speaker is biased, you need to know.

Post some of her thoughts, I'm not wasting my time watching her. I'll tear them apart. They just make stuff up and call it a fact. It's not.

Want to be treated as an equal...be one. Where is the black villages, black top school, etc etc... Saying you're an equal doesn't make it so. The proof of inequality is the continued NEED for quotas. IF they were equals, they'd be hired as equals. The NBA and NFL are full of blacks because THAT is something they're actually good at. We don't hire them for other things because they suck at other things.

Abbey is a smart lady and certainly does not need to be criticized by a complete stranger to The Villages.

[Don Baldwin]

Abbey is a smart lady and certainly does not need to be criticized by a complete stranger to The Villages.

Prove it...prove she's smart...lets hear her words. Or don't you have anything worthy of posting? Can't find anything you can support with facts? Is this like you can't find the black villages or black Harvard?

She's being judged...then I'll criticize her. Will you not allow me to judge her worth?

[Rockyrd]

Prove it...prove she's smart...lets hear her words. Or don't you have anything worthy of posting? Can't find anything you can support with facts? Is this like you can't find the black villages or black Harvard?

She's being judged...then I'll criticize her. Will you not allow me to judge her worth?

For what it is worth, I do detest your judging of anyone because of what it is based on.

I especially detest an outsider intruding here spouting propaganda.

[Abby10]

Abbey is a smart lady and certainly does not need to be criticized by a complete stranger to The Villages.

Thank you for that - very kind of you. Currently I'm on the road but will get back to you later today to respond to your previous post.

[Taltarzac725]

Thank you for that - very kind of you. Currently I'm on the road but will get back to you later today to respond to your previous post.

Abby10 seems to be one of the more intelligent posters on the Political Forum on TOTV.

[Abby10]

Abby, must call you on this post.

First, the media reports the news. They allow or disallow nothing. Trump has you convinced, with absolutely no logic at all, that they lie.

They are NOT painting a picture that is not true. If you were able to see my posts previous, Trump has ALWAYS LIED...ALWAYS PUT HIMSELF FIRST. I know I gave you some links to his past and you obviously did not read them.

His entire reputation is as a liar and a Trump first and everybody else last.

You mention the National Enquirer. You do know that is Trumps favorite paper, read daily by him and they assist him and have always tried to help him. THAT is all fact.

As far as all the stuff coming out, let me explain, but I suspect now that your always saying you want to learn is pretty much the same as Trump saying Fake news. You want to learn what is good for Trump, not facts.

The Washington Post and the New York Times and the CNN investigative area has ALWAYS,not just since Trump, been proud of investigative journalism. The post led the charge with Watergate. THIS IS NOT FAKE NEWS.....IT IS FACTUAL REPORTING THAT TRUMP WILL NOT ALLOW HIS SUPPORTERS TO EVEN READ. His attacks on the 1st ammendment and these people are all intended to brainwash a group already brainwashed.

Are they perfect ? Hell no, who is but every time I ask for an example of fake news all I get is crickets. You would think you people would be sick of him saying this over and over with no proof, but you say you come here for facts...right ?

Leaks, not good, but did you know that the main source of leaks is the White House ??????

Are you really happy with a President who is a proven liar of a compulsive nature ? Are you really happy with a White House whose words you cannot trust ?

Media reports all those lies and the day will come when it is vital to this country (getting truth from the WH) and you will welcome it.

So just to explain further where I'm coming from - my disappointment with the media goes back way before Trump for President was even an idea. My thinking is that had the media not become so biased, there would never had been a need for Fox News, and it certainly would not have been so successful. Now, do I believe everything on Fox news? Of course not. I think it is difficult to decipher the truth, or at least get the whole story no matter which channel you watch, which again was probably the reason for the rise of the likes of Fox - to at least be able to hear the other side. Like my husband always says the truth often lies somewhere in the middle. So here is what I do take special note of and that's people being interviewed, one-on-one, to at least get some first hand perspective on the situation that's up for discussion. I'm surprised that you are so trusting of the media. Has it not been aparent to you the difference between the way they have treated Obama vs Trump, or any Republican for that matter vs Obama or the Clinton's? This is one area that I have to agree with Don B - although he thinks it's all propaganda, i do believe anymore that most of it is, and unless you are reading between the lines you are just feeding into what it is they want you to believe.

Now onto Trump, I have read about him - the good, the bad, and the downright ugly, and I did know about the connection between him and the National Inquirer. I know your distaste for him is palpable as you have voiced it on here over and over. I agree with you that he lies, or at the very least changes his story quite a bit. But like so many other Presidents (and by the way, didn't many of them lie too?) I tend to pay more attention to what they do than what comes out of their mouths. People's actions often say a lot more about them than their words in my book. So far I have been pretty happy with some of what has occurred since Trump took office.

Much of what I say and believe may in fact be proven wrong in time, but for now I prefer to proceed with caution on all fronts. Although I did not care for Obama, I accepted that he was our President and prayed for him and our country. I will do the same for this President.

[Rockyrd]

So just to explain further where I'm coming from - my disappointment with the media goes back way before Trump for President was even an idea. My thinking is that had the media not become so biased, there would never had been a need for Fox News, and it certainly would not have been so successful. Now, do I believe everything on Fox news? Of course not. I think it is difficult to decipher the truth, or at least get the whole story no matter which channel you watch, which again was probably the reason for the rise of the likes of Fox - to at least be able to hear the other side. Like my husband always says the truth often lies somewhere in the middle. So here is what I do take special note of and that's people being interviewed, one-on-one, to at least get some first hand perspective on the situation that's up for discussion. I'm surprised that you are so trusting of the media. Has it not been aparent to you the difference between the way they have treated Obama vs Trump, or any Republican for that matter vs Obama or the Clinton's? This is one area that I have to agree with Don B - although he thinks it's all propaganda, i do believe anymore that most of it is, and unless you are reading between the lines you are just feeding into what it is they want you to believe.

Now onto Trump, I have read about him - the good, the bad, and the downright ugly, and I did know about the connection between him and the National Inquirer. I know your distaste for him is palpable as you have voiced it on here over and over. I agree with you that he lies, or at the very least changes his story quite a bit. But like so many other Presidents (and by the way, didn't many of them lie too?) I tend to pay more attention to what they do than what comes out of their mouths. People's actions often say a lot more about them than their words in my book. So far I have been pretty happy with some of what has occurred since Trump took office.

Much of what I say and believe may in fact be proven wrong in time, but for now I prefer to proceed with caution on all fronts. Although I did not care for Obama, I accepted that he was our President and prayed for him and our country. I will do the same for this President.

When I respond to you, I need to be careful. I get in a mode with all these smart mouth trolls where I feel on the defensive.

So....the media.

Is or has there been a media bias. YEP, I agree and always have. I hope I remember what I am thinking near the end of what I want so say, but yes, there has been a bias to the left on the media for sure.

It is tough to decipher the truth, and harder today than a year or so ago. I have always advocated on here insuring you get your facts and get them straight and that can be difficult in this age.

I never said I TRUSTED the media as you say. Never...I simply said that the main stream media does not lie, and there is a huge difference in that, and one that Trump plays on. I have said it many times......we have a responsibility to insure we understand both sides and that takes some time and work. LYING by the media would be simply not telling the truth or making things up...they, despite what our President says do not do that, and I welcome anyone to disprove that.

HE KNOWS very well that he must keep attacking the media because that keeps most of his followers, who will not take the time to check on facts, in line and believing he is being mistreated. He did it during the campaign and does it today. They report what he says....he is the President...he cannot call it fake news when he tweets it, but he does and that is for his followers.

The fake news began with the Russia move back a few years ago and on this forum we have people linking to places like ZEROHEDGE which is a Russian backed site that comes across as a conservative web site,but it is fake in the sense that they are leading you down THEIR path, not a path of truth.

Fake news is NOT when you dont like it......calling a journalist a liar who quotes you is indefensible, yet the President has done it a number of times with no consequences. He knows what he is doing and until that 38% wake up and call him on it, he will continue and to have a President who will lie to the american public and have them accept it is beyond scary frankly.

I would like you to link me to the next news that is news and not commentary that you feel is propaganda or fake. PLEASE....link it and let me read it and we can discuss.
NOT commentary but NEWS that is fake.

Baldwin is an idiot as are most who feel they are being lied to. This little gambit of calling the media liars and my truth is the only truth has been played before in our history, a number of times and many times by guys just like Baldwin. History reveals a number of people who did EXACTLY the same thing....attack those who report what you are doing

HOW can the President lying to the American public not be a big deal to you ? HOW ? The american citizens, especially in the case of national emergency are completely dependent on him telling us the truth.

WE have to disagree about anything you think he has accomplished. Signing EO's is not accomplishing anything....they will simply be the subject of reverse EOs when the next guy gets in. He has changed every single thing he promised to do, and let me be clear....much of his program was ok with me....HE WILL NEVER BE......we flat out do not need a liar in the White House. Let me step back....not a liar on policy...like Obama saying that you can keep your doctor if you want...many Presidents have done that and most not in the most intentional of ways, but feeling accusing our past president of a felony with no facts, claiming voter fraud with no facts, firing 3 good honest justice department employees...for what....because they were investigating HIM. Speaking with scorn of our justice system...why...because they did not agree with him...and on it goes and ALL OF THIS DONE on a WORLD WIDE STAGE.

He actually mocked the German leader when she was here and on a world stage once again used Fox as his source for things...NOT the USA intelligence agencies but FOX and it was proven wrong.

I said on here when he was elected that I could support much of what he says, but he has not changed. Not even tried....

I consider him to to be the most unamerican man ever in the WH....imagine.....having Russian spy head in the WH where prior he was not welcome...and having nothing but the Russian government press there and them alone. This is unamerican no matter how you cut it...we can debate what he said to them but it does not matter.

The most recent example with his son....have no idea of what was talked about, but even responding to the Russian GOVERNMENT who said they would give you material on your opponent is dispicable. His entire story has been debunked totally...not the content because that is secondary now. They lie and continually change stories and you explain why that is...why do they lie when discussing Russians.....why have they all "forgotten" about meetings with Russians...why do they change stories and only when they get CAUGHT?

Sorry....ABBY I honestly tried but I read a lot......I am not conned by any media....I read both sides of the story always. I flat out do not trust chronic and compulsive liars...not in my personal life and more importantly, not in our White House.

Sorry if scrambled...doing this in a hurry.

[ColdNoMore]

When I respond to you, I need to be careful. I get in a mode with all these smart mouth trolls where I feel on the defensive.

So....the media.

Is or has there been a media bias. YEP, I agree and always have. I hope I remember what I am thinking near the end of what I want so say, but yes, there has been a bias to the left on the media for sure.

It is tough to decipher the truth, and harder today than a year or so ago. I have always advocated on here insuring you get your facts and get them straight and that can be difficult in this age.

I never said I TRUSTED the media as you say. Never...I simply said that the main stream media does not lie, and there is a huge difference in that, and one that Trump plays on. I have said it many times......we have a responsibility to insure we understand both sides and that takes some time and work. LYING by the media would be simply not telling the truth or making things up...they, despite what our President says do not do that, and I welcome anyone to disprove that.

HE KNOWS very well that he must keep attacking the media because that keeps most of his followers, who will not take the time to check on facts, in line and believing he is being mistreated. He did it during the campaign and does it today. They report what he says....he is the President...he cannot call it fake news when he tweets it, but he does and that is for his followers.

The fake news began with the Russia move back a few years ago and on this forum we have people linking to places like ZEROHEDGE which is a Russian backed site that comes across as a conservative web site,but it is fake in the sense that they are leading you down THEIR path, not a path of truth.

Fake news is NOT when you dont like it......calling a journalist a liar who quotes you is indefensible, yet the President has done it a number of times with no consequences. He knows what he is doing and until that 38% wake up and call him on it, he will continue and to have a President who will lie to the american public and have them accept it is beyond scary frankly.

I would like you to link me to the next news that is news and not commentary that you feel is propaganda or fake. PLEASE....link it and let me read it and we can discuss.
NOT commentary but NEWS that is fake.

Baldwin is an idiot as are most who feel they are being lied to. This little gambit of calling the media liars and my truth is the only truth has been played before in our history, a number of times and many times by guys just like Baldwin. History reveals a number of people who did EXACTLY the same thing....attack those who report what you are doing

HOW can the President lying to the American public not be a big deal to you ? HOW ? The American citizens, especially in the case of national emergency are completely dependent on him telling us the truth.

WE have to disagree about anything you think he has accomplished. Signing EO's is not accomplishing anything....they will simply be the subject of reverse EOs when the next guy gets in. He has changed every single thing he promised to do, and let me be clear....much of his program was ok with me....HE WILL NEVER BE......we flat out do not need a liar in the White House. Let me step back....not a liar on policy...like Obama saying that you can keep your doctor if you want...many Presidents have done that and most not in the most intentional of ways, but feeling accusing our past president of a felony with no facts, claiming voter fraud with no facts, firing 3 good honest justice department employees...for what....because they were investigating HIM. Speaking with scorn of our justice system...why...because they did not agree with him...and on it goes and ALL OF THIS DONE on a WORLD WIDE STAGE.

He actually mocked the German leader when she was here and on a world stage once again used Fox as his source for things...NOT the USA intelligence agencies but FOX and it was proven wrong.

I said on here when he was elected that I could support much of what he says, but he has not changed. Not even tried....

I consider him to to be the most unamerican man ever in the WH....imagine.....having Russian spy head in the WH where prior he was not welcome...and having nothing but the Russian government press there and them alone. This is unamerican no matter how you cut it...we can debate what he said to them but it does not matter.

The most recent example with his son....have no idea of what was talked about, but even responding to the Russian GOVERNMENT who said they would give you material on your opponent is dispicable. His entire story has been debunked totally...not the content because that is secondary now. They lie and continually change stories and you explain why that is...why do they lie when discussing Russians.....why have they all "forgotten" about meetings with Russians...why do they change stories and only when they get CAUGHT?

Sorry....ABBY I honestly tried but I read a lot......I am not conned by any media....I read both sides of the story always. I flat out do not trust chronic and compulsive liars...not in my personal life and more importantly, not in our White House.

Sorry if scrambled...doing this in a hurry.

Although I agree with most of your post (I'll disagree with some of Trump's original policy statements), the parts I've highlighted...SHOULD be a concern to ANY American who calls themselves a patriot.

The fact that there is a core of Trump supporters who simply don't care that we have the most Un-American POTUS in history, currently residing (part-time anyway) in the White house..says it all. :ohdear:

Part of the reason for Nixon's resignation, was the fact that he actually respected the office he held and didn't want it to be sullied further.

Trump only cares that he can make a few bucks and that he receives the adoration and praise...that his massively insecure and fragile ego requires.

I could never have even imagined, that there would be another POTUS who made Nixon look like he had at least a little integrity...but Chump has managed that heretofore impossible task. :oops:

[Rockyrd]

Although I agree with most of your post (I'll disagree with some of Trump's original policy statements), the parts I've highlighted...SHOULD be a concern to ANY American who calls themselves a patriot.

The fact that there is a core of Trump supporters who simply don't care that we have the most Un-American POTUS in history, currently residing (part-time anyway) in the White house..says it all. :ohdear:

Part of the reason for Nixon's resignation, was the fact that he actually respected the office he held and didn't want it to be sullied further.

Trump only cares that he can make a few bucks and that he receives the adoration and praise...that his massively insecure and fragile ego requires.

I could never have even imagined, that there would be another POTUS who made Nixon look like he had at least a little integrity...but Chump has managed that heretofore impossible task. :oops:

Current concern....

The White House is slowly shutting down press briefings.

Why is that important....that is the ONLY way to have a record on camera of quotes from the White House.

As I said before...read history...this kind of media attacks are a common thread in a few governments through history.

Let's see.....advocating white only, Native American only, shut out the media and call them fake news, run a family business from the seat of government (advocating manufacturing in America while making millions doing otherwise is some touch)....,we are heading in some direction.

[Rockyrd]

An interesting opinion piece on this very subject.

What is fascinating is the quotes from just about the only person to actually predict Trumps victory, Allan Lichtman.

"The American University historian Allan Lichtman, famous for his lonely prediction of Trump’s electoral victory, has followed up that feat with The Case for Impeachment, a book-length forecast of Trump’s doom. The impeachment, he writes, “will be decided not just in the halls of Congress but in the streets of America.” I’d go further to speculate that Trump’s implosion is more likely to occur before there’s an impeachment vote on the floor of the House — as was the case with Nixon. But where Nixon’s exit was catalyzed by an empirical recognition that he’d lost the votes he needed to survive a Senate trial, in Trump’s case the trigger will be his childish temper, not the facts. He’s already on record as finding the job to be more work than he bargained for. He’ll tire of being perceived as a loser by nearly everyone except the sort of people he’d never let in the front door of Mar-a-Lago — and of seeing the Trump brand trashed to the point of jeopardizing his children’s future stake in the family kleptocracy. When he’s had enough, I suspect he’ll find a way to declare “victory,” blame his departure on a conspiracy by America’s (i.e., his) “enemies,” and vow to fight another day on a network TBA."

Frank Rich: Nixon, Trump, and How a Presidency Ends (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/06/frank-rich-nixon-trump-and-how-a-presidency-ends.html)

[Allegiance]

Let's get predictions from those that correctly called the election.

Mmmm... let's see there was like 2 or 3 of us.

Put your money on two Trump terms. People who even mention that Peach word are f...ing morons.

Wackjobs

[Rockyrd]

Let's get predictions from those that correctly called the election.

Mmmm... let's see there was like 2 or 3 of us.

Put your money on two Trump terms. People who even mention that Peach word are f...ing morons.

Wackjobs

Plus Alan Lichman who now predicts his downfall, but why read. I am sure you have found reading AND especially comprehension a problem your entire life.

.

[Abby10]

When I respond to you, I need to be careful. I get in a mode with all these smart mouth trolls where I feel on the defensive.

So....the media.

Is or has there been a media bias. YEP, I agree and always have. I hope I remember what I am thinking near the end of what I want so say, but yes, there has been a bias to the left on the media for sure.

It is tough to decipher the truth, and harder today than a year or so ago. I have always advocated on here insuring you get your facts and get them straight and that can be difficult in this age.

I never said I TRUSTED the media as you say. Never...I simply said that the main stream media does not lie, and there is a huge difference in that, and one that Trump plays on. I have said it many times......we have a responsibility to insure we understand both sides and that takes some time and work. LYING by the media would be simply not telling the truth or making things up...they, despite what our President says do not do that, and I welcome anyone to disprove that.

HE KNOWS very well that he must keep attacking the media because that keeps most of his followers, who will not take the time to check on facts, in line and believing he is being mistreated. He did it during the campaign and does it today. They report what he says....he is the President...he cannot call it fake news when he tweets it, but he does and that is for his followers.

The fake news began with the Russia move back a few years ago and on this forum we have people linking to places like ZEROHEDGE which is a Russian backed site that comes across as a conservative web site,but it is fake in the sense that they are leading you down THEIR path, not a path of truth.

Fake news is NOT when you dont like it......calling a journalist a liar who quotes you is indefensible, yet the President has done it a number of times with no consequences. He knows what he is doing and until that 38% wake up and call him on it, he will continue and to have a President who will lie to the american public and have them accept it is beyond scary frankly.

I would like you to link me to the next news that is news and not commentary that you feel is propaganda or fake. PLEASE....link it and let me read it and we can discuss.
NOT commentary but NEWS that is fake.

Baldwin is an idiot as are most who feel they are being lied to. This little gambit of calling the media liars and my truth is the only truth has been played before in our history, a number of times and many times by guys just like Baldwin. History reveals a number of people who did EXACTLY the same thing....attack those who report what you are doing

HOW can the President lying to the American public not be a big deal to you ? HOW ? The american citizens, especially in the case of national emergency are completely dependent on him telling us the truth.

WE have to disagree about anything you think he has accomplished. Signing EO's is not accomplishing anything....they will simply be the subject of reverse EOs when the next guy gets in. He has changed every single thing he promised to do, and let me be clear....much of his program was ok with me....HE WILL NEVER BE......we flat out do not need a liar in the White House. Let me step back....not a liar on policy...like Obama saying that you can keep your doctor if you want...many Presidents have done that and most not in the most intentional of ways, but feeling accusing our past president of a felony with no facts, claiming voter fraud with no facts, firing 3 good honest justice department employees...for what....because they were investigating HIM. Speaking with scorn of our justice system...why...because they did not agree with him...and on it goes and ALL OF THIS DONE on a WORLD WIDE STAGE.

He actually mocked the German leader when she was here and on a world stage once again used Fox as his source for things...NOT the USA intelligence agencies but FOX and it was proven wrong.

I said on here when he was elected that I could support much of what he says, but he has not changed. Not even tried....

I consider him to to be the most unamerican man ever in the WH....imagine.....having Russian spy head in the WH where prior he was not welcome...and having nothing but the Russian government press there and them alone. This is unamerican no matter how you cut it...we can debate what he said to them but it does not matter.

The most recent example with his son....have no idea of what was talked about, but even responding to the Russian GOVERNMENT who said they would give you material on your opponent is dispicable. His entire story has been debunked totally...not the content because that is secondary now. They lie and continually change stories and you explain why that is...why do they lie when discussing Russians.....why have they all "forgotten" about meetings with Russians...why do they change stories and only when they get CAUGHT?

Sorry....ABBY I honestly tried but I read a lot......I am not conned by any media....I read both sides of the story always. I flat out do not trust chronic and compulsive liars...not in my personal life and more importantly, not in our White House.

Sorry if scrambled...doing this in a hurry.

Appreciate your response. It's a lot to digest and I'm beat tonight as I had a very long day. I will take the time to re-read tomorrow when I have a break in the day to do so. I like the back and forth and no need to feel sorry for questioning me as it helps not only to clear my own thoughts but to understand better those who may not agree with me. I know I've been called out by some on here for "engaging with the enemy", but that is my independent streak. I never was much for following the crowd and I truly would like to be able to converse civilly with people of all beliefs. You may not change my mind and I may not change yours, but understanding one another or agreeing to disagree can bring a modicum of peace that beats name-calling and angry outbursts. To be continued........

[Allegiance]

Plus Alan Lichman who now predicts his downfall, but why read. I am sure you have found reading AND especially comprehension a problem your entire life.

.See, if you believed what you say you would bet on the Peach, just like I bet and won HUGE on Trump's landslide victory! You are an old man full of hot air. Long stupid posts.

[dbussone]

See, if you believed what you say you would bet on the Peach, just like I bet and won HUGE on Trump's landslide victory! You are an old man full of hot air. Long stupid posts.



Unfortunately, many think verbosity equals proof, when actually it creates boredom.


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[Don Baldwin]

Unfortunately, many think verbosity equals proof, when actually it creates boredom.


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They are NOT us.

Pithy enough for you?

[Abby10]

When I respond to you, I need to be careful. I get in a mode with all these smart mouth trolls where I feel on the defensive.

So....the media.

Is or has there been a media bias. YEP, I agree and always have. I hope I remember what I am thinking near the end of what I want so say, but yes, there has been a bias to the left on the media for sure.

It is tough to decipher the truth, and harder today than a year or so ago. I have always advocated on here insuring you get your facts and get them straight and that can be difficult in this age.

I never said I TRUSTED the media as you say. Never...I simply said that the main stream media does not lie, and there is a huge difference in that, and one that Trump plays on. I have said it many times......we have a responsibility to insure we understand both sides and that takes some time and work. LYING by the media would be simply not telling the truth or making things up...they, despite what our President says do not do that, and I welcome anyone to disprove that.

HE KNOWS very well that he must keep attacking the media because that keeps most of his followers, who will not take the time to check on facts, in line and believing he is being mistreated. He did it during the campaign and does it today. They report what he says....he is the President...he cannot call it fake news when he tweets it, but he does and that is for his followers.

The fake news began with the Russia move back a few years ago and on this forum we have people linking to places like ZEROHEDGE which is a Russian backed site that comes across as a conservative web site,but it is fake in the sense that they are leading you down THEIR path, not a path of truth.

Fake news is NOT when you dont like it......calling a journalist a liar who quotes you is indefensible, yet the President has done it a number of times with no consequences. He knows what he is doing and until that 38% wake up and call him on it, he will continue and to have a President who will lie to the american public and have them accept it is beyond scary frankly.

I would like you to link me to the next news that is news and not commentary that you feel is propaganda or fake. PLEASE....link it and let me read it and we can discuss.
NOT commentary but NEWS that is fake.

Baldwin is an idiot as are most who feel they are being lied to. This little gambit of calling the media liars and my truth is the only truth has been played before in our history, a number of times and many times by guys just like Baldwin. History reveals a number of people who did EXACTLY the same thing....attack those who report what you are doing

HOW can the President lying to the American public not be a big deal to you ? HOW ? The american citizens, especially in the case of national emergency are completely dependent on him telling us the truth.

WE have to disagree about anything you think he has accomplished. Signing EO's is not accomplishing anything....they will simply be the subject of reverse EOs when the next guy gets in. He has changed every single thing he promised to do, and let me be clear....much of his program was ok with me....HE WILL NEVER BE......we flat out do not need a liar in the White House. Let me step back....not a liar on policy...like Obama saying that you can keep your doctor if you want...many Presidents have done that and most not in the most intentional of ways, but feeling accusing our past president of a felony with no facts, claiming voter fraud with no facts, firing 3 good honest justice department employees...for what....because they were investigating HIM. Speaking with scorn of our justice system...why...because they did not agree with him...and on it goes and ALL OF THIS DONE on a WORLD WIDE STAGE.

He actually mocked the German leader when she was here and on a world stage once again used Fox as his source for things...NOT the USA intelligence agencies but FOX and it was proven wrong.

I said on here when he was elected that I could support much of what he says, but he has not changed. Not even tried....

I consider him to to be the most unamerican man ever in the WH....imagine.....having Russian spy head in the WH where prior he was not welcome...and having nothing but the Russian government press there and them alone. This is unamerican no matter how you cut it...we can debate what he said to them but it does not matter.

The most recent example with his son....have no idea of what was talked about, but even responding to the Russian GOVERNMENT who said they would give you material on your opponent is dispicable. His entire story has been debunked totally...not the content because that is secondary now. They lie and continually change stories and you explain why that is...why do they lie when discussing Russians.....why have they all "forgotten" about meetings with Russians...why do they change stories and only when they get CAUGHT?

Sorry....ABBY I honestly tried but I read a lot......I am not conned by any media....I read both sides of the story always. I flat out do not trust chronic and compulsive liars...not in my personal life and more importantly, not in our White House.

Sorry if scrambled...doing this in a hurry.

So getting back to you on this, I see we do agree on some things. Media bias and not trusting without verifying to name 2. I don't think I alluded to fake news, but was attempting to state how the whole story is often not told because it tends to lean toward one side or another. News today is often presented in a way in which it leads viewers to a certain way of thinking - from wikipedia: Propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view".

You asked me about the President lying. All I can say is that if the condition for selecting a President is that he not be a liar, then I guess my choices would be slim to none. As far as selecting between him and Hillary, I can only say my justification would be better the liar I don't know than the one I am sure of. Not voting in this election was just something I could not do, and voting for anyone else IMO was the same as not voting - why waste my time? What I knew about Trump prior to the election was mostly about his achievements, and of course his divorces. IMO what we needed most at the time was someone who could drive our economy in the right direction. Without confidence in that arena, again my opinion, we were doomed to fail.

He has done more that the EO's that you have stated. He picked an excellent Supreme Court justice for one thing. Maybe because so many on here are living the retired life, but I for one am not, and I can tell you there is MUCH more confidence out here where jobs and hiring are concerned. I have seen many positions that were put on hold for years now being filled. Many more people are now being bumped up from part-time to full-time employment. Many business owners are more optimistic after years of discouragement. And this is not just in one sector, but in many. To me, this is not only vital to the "health" of our economy, but of our country as a whole.

So pardon me for being a little optimistic about our President. Of course, only time will tell the whole story, but I see a President who is making things happen despite the worst odds. And by that, I mean the terrible press coverage and the ugliness expressed by the populace that opposes him. Compare that to Obama's coronation by the press and the meekness of the revolt by his dissenters. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't create his own drama by the things he says and tweets at times. But if you remember, Obama had his own way of causing drama as well with how he treated Republicans, police, and his provocation of racism. Neither are perfect and both are liars. I would some day love to vote for that perfect President. Unfortunately, we are all human and the bad comes along with the good. It all comes down to the question - which would you choose? And the bottom line is that in making that choice we are all different, which leads one to the conclusion that the only answer to getting along sometimes is the acceptance of the premise to agree to disagree.

[Rockyrd]

So getting back to you on this, I see we do agree on some things. Media bias and not trusting without verifying to name 2. I don't think I alluded to fake news, but was attempting to state how the whole story is often not told because it tends to lean toward one side or another. News today is often presented in a way in which it leads viewers to a certain way of thinking - from wikipedia: Propaganda is "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view".

You asked me about the President lying. All I can say is that if the condition for selecting a President is that he not be a liar, then I guess my choices would be slim to none. As far as selecting between him and Hillary, I can only say my justification would be better the liar I don't know than the one I am sure of. Not voting in this election was just something I could not do, and voting for anyone else IMO was the same as not voting - why waste my time? What I knew about Trump prior to the election was mostly about his achievements, and of course his divorces. IMO what we needed most at the time was someone who could drive our economy in the right direction. Without confidence in that arena, again my opinion, we were doomed to fail.

He has done more that the EO's that you have stated. He picked an excellent Supreme Court justice for one thing. Maybe because so many on here are living the retired life, but I for one am not, and I can tell you there is MUCH more confidence out here where jobs and hiring are concerned. I have seen many positions that were put on hold for years now being filled. Many more people are now being bumped up from part-time to full-time employment. Many business owners are more optimistic after years of discouragement. And this is not just in one sector, but in many. To me, this is not only vital to the "health" of our economy, but of our country as a whole.

So pardon me for being a little optimistic about our President. Of course, only time will tell the whole story, but I see a President who is making things happen despite the worst odds. And by that, I mean the terrible press coverage and the ugliness expressed by the populace that opposes him. Compare that to Obama's coronation by the press and the meekness of the revolt by his dissenters. I'm not saying that Trump doesn't create his own drama by the things he says and tweets at times. But if you remember, Obama had his own way of causing drama as well with how he treated Republicans, police, and his provocation of racism. Neither are perfect and both are liars. I would some day love to vote for that perfect President. Unfortunately, we are all human and the bad comes along with the good. It all comes down to the question - which would you choose? And the bottom line is that in making that choice we are all different, which leads one to the conclusion that the only answer to getting along sometimes is the acceptance of the premise to agree to disagree.

Since I very much appreciate how you approach these discussions, it is probably wise I take a break from our conversations.

We see things totally and completely different, and what best illustrates that is your comment on two things.

You sort of shrug off Trump's lying as ordinary politics. I see it so much differently because he is lying daily as President of the United States and doing it chronically on important issues. I know the Times and a few others track his lies on a daily basis, and it is voluminous. And you cannot even find any politician in any position, let alone the President, who ever ever in history has lied so much about substantial issues....the entire world watches and listens.

On the media, I propose until you prove otherwise....Trump has manipulated you and his followers to believe he is getting a raw deal from the media. He is the President...what he says and does is news, they report what he says and what he does. They report it honestly and he calls it unfair. How does that work ? He accuses a President of a felony but they should ignore that ? Many other examples and the media reports it...that is and has always been their job.

Frustrated that you think the media reporting FACTUALLY is considered "terrible press coverage". He makes he news, they report it. You seem to feel that they should allow him to pick of what he says or does, AND FRANKLY THAT IS HIS GOAL. It appears to be working. You can think things like what is happening with the daily briefings (eliminating have White House on tape), and total absence of press conferences are minor. They are steps.....he seems to have you convinced.

Again, I challenge you to present a news report, not commentary, that is inaccurate. He does it or says it...they report it.

[jebartle]

See, if you believed what you say you would bet on the Peach, just like I bet and won HUGE on Trump's landslide victory! You are an old man full of hot air. Long stupid posts.

Your ignorance is showing, most of the time peeps won't know how stupid you are, if you are real quiet!!!!

[cologal]

You mean like the Clintons have been doing for decades?


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You make me laugh....the Clintons murdered?

Get a grip you have lost touch with reality!

COPUFF

[Allegiance]

Your ignorance is showing, most of the time peeps won't know how stupid you are, if you are real quiet!!!!Jean, do you want this to turn personal? I hope you answer yes.

...but you won't, because you are a coward, you would not talk this SHlT in public, you would cover your face like a true progressive.

So....want to make this personal????

[Love2Swim]

Since I very much appreciate how you approach these discussions, it is probably wise I take a break from our conversations.

We see things totally and completely different, and what best illustrates that is your comment on two things.

You sort of shrug off Trump's lying as ordinary politics. I see it so much differently because he is lying daily as President of the United States and doing it chronically on important issues. I know the Times and a few others track his lies on a daily basis, and it is voluminous. And you cannot even find any politician in any position, let alone the President, who ever ever in history has lied so much about substantial issues....the entire world watches and listens.

On the media, I propose until you prove otherwise....Trump has manipulated you and his followers to believe he is getting a raw deal from the media. He is the President...what he says and does is news, they report what he says and what he does. They report it honestly and he calls it unfair. How does that work ? He accuses a President of a felony but they should ignore that ? Many other examples and the media reports it...that is and has always been their job.

Frustrated that you think the media reporting FACTUALLY is considered "terrible press coverage". He makes he news, they report it. You seem to feel that they should allow him to pick of what he says or does, AND FRANKLY THAT IS HIS GOAL. It appears to be working. You can think things like what is happening with the daily briefings (eliminating have White House on tape), and total absence of press conferences are minor. They are steps.....he seems to have you convinced.

Again, I challenge you to present a news report, not commentary, that is inaccurate. He does it or says it...they report it.

I agree. And regarding the economy, it is likely business is picking up because of all the growth that happened during the Obama administration. We know that many companies had committed to increased hiring prior to Trump taking office. According to Factcheck.org, many announcements about job creation fit a year's long trend. To be sure, many business leaders are encouraged by his "promises" to cut business regulations, and that may cause businesses to grow in the future should those promises turn out to be real. But as for the recent spate of announcements made by companies such as Ford, GM and others, experts and officials from the companies themselves warn not to assign too much credit to Trump.

[dirtbanker]

Your ignorance is showing, most of the time peeps won't know how stupid you are, if you are real quiet!!!!

Good advice, you should adhere to it...stupid bitch!

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[Taltarzac725]

I agree. And regarding the economy, it is likely business is picking up because of all the growth that happened during the Obama administration. We know that many companies had committed to increased hiring prior to Trump taking office. According to Factcheck.org, many announcements about job creation fit a year's long trend. To be sure, many business leaders are encouraged by his "promises" to cut business regulations, and that may cause businesses to grow in the future should those promises turn out to be real. But as for the recent spate of announcements made by companies such as Ford, GM and others, experts and officials from the companies themselves warn not to assign too much credit to Trump.

Keep up fighting the Trump Trolls.

[dirtbanker]

Keep up fighting the Trump Trolls.
Yeah, the short bus riding cheerleader is counting on you! She can't do anything but cheer...


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[dbussone]

You make me laugh....the Clintons murdered?



Get a grip you have lost touch with reality!



COPUFF



If I make you laugh you will love this. I hope you aren't a friend of the Clinton's. Bwaaaahaaa! The Clintons have lost more associates to coincidence than Lucky Luciano.

From a cbs affiliate:

[url=http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/]The List of Clinton Associates Who’ve Died Mysteriously. Check It Out | KXNT 840 AM


THE CLINTON DEAD POOL

1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.

7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.

34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” (of nothing) on July 10. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.

Not Included in this list are the 4 men killed in Benghazi.

[Rockyrd]

If I make you laugh you will love this. I hope you aren't a friend of the Clinton's. Bwaaaahaaa! The Clintons have lost more associates to coincidence than Lucky Luciano.

From a cbs affiliate:

The List of Clinton Associates Who’ve Died Mysteriously. Check It Out | KXNT 840 AM


THE CLINTON DEAD POOL

1- James McDougal – Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2 – Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown .. The murder …happened just after she was to go public w:th her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

3 – Vince Foster – Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 – C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 – Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor”.

7 – Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 – Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 – James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas

10 – James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..

11 – Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 – Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.

13 – Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton’s friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

14 – Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 – Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 – Paula Grober – Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 – Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 – Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 – Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington ,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.

20 – Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

21 – Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

22 – Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

23 – Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

24 – Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 – Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 – Hershell Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.

27 – Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:

28 – Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.

29 – Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

30 – Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

31 – Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

32 – James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes”.

34 – Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 – Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 – Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 – Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 – Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 – Major General William Robertson
40 – Col. William Densberger
41 – Col. Robert Kelly
42 – Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 – Steve Willis
44 – Robert Williams
45 – Conway LeBleu
46 – Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and “robbed” (of nothing) on July 10. Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.

Not Included in this list are the 4 men killed in Benghazi.

I am not fan of the Clintons, but this is an totally and completely absurd post.

First, it is 100% PLAGERIZED from a few sources, mostly are facebook pages of no interest to anyone.

Second, it....meaning what you PLAGERIZED has been debunked so many times....fact DIRECTLY....

It goes through each individually but this is the start ......

"A forwarded message dating from the mid-1990s contains a list of dozens of people connected to Bill and Hillary Clinton who, we are told, died under mysterious circumstances. This conspiracy theory reared its head again during Hillary's 2008 and 2016 runs for the presidency.

Status: False (details below)."

[url]https://www.thoughtco.com/the-clinton-body-count-4056792 (http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/)

""The Clinton Body Count," a paranoia-laden relic of the Clinton-hating '90s, was resurrected in 2007 to coincide with Hillary Clinton's bid for the presidency. It also resurfaced during her 2016 bid. The widely-circulated text insinuates that several dozen "friends" of the Clintons, some of whom conceivably possessed incriminating information about the former First Couple, died under "mysterious" circumstances — i.e., were secretly done away with.

In more ways than one, it's reminiscent of a similarly paranoid conspiracy theory floated during the Bush-hating '00s, namely the notion that forces within the Bush administration actually conceived and orchestrated the 9/11 terror attacks.

Both theories rest on absurd presuppositions:



This is what is completely ruining the Republican party. It is full of , including our President, of people who choose to listen to and believe with absolutely no basis ANY CONSPIRACY THEORY about the Clintons.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who would read, listen to, or indeed post something like this has forfeited their right to engage in any adult conversation.

We have so many problems facing our country and you people are still living in the past going after the Clintons.

It is a very very sad commentary on the uneducated, uninformed, immature people who walk our streets.

Get with TODAY......talk about TODAY.

This is total bunk and craziness. These conspiracy theories are so sad to hear about anyone or any party. So childish.

[Love2Swim]

I am not fan of the Clintons, but this is an totally and completely absurd post.

First, it is 100% PLAGERIZED from a few sources, mostly are facebook pages of no interest to anyone.

Second, it....meaning what you PLAGERIZED has been debunked so many times....fact DIRECTLY....

It goes through each individually but this is the start ......

"A forwarded message dating from the mid-1990s contains a list of dozens of people connected to Bill and Hillary Clinton who, we are told, died under mysterious circumstances. This conspiracy theory reared its head again during Hillary's 2008 and 2016 runs for the presidency.

Status: False (details below)."

The Clinton Body Count - Urban Legends (https://www.thoughtco.com/the-clinton-body-count-4056792)

""The Clinton Body Count," a paranoia-laden relic of the Clinton-hating '90s, was resurrected in 2007 to coincide with Hillary Clinton's bid for the presidency. It also resurfaced during her 2016 bid. The widely-circulated text insinuates that several dozen "friends" of the Clintons, some of whom conceivably possessed incriminating information about the former First Couple, died under "mysterious" circumstances — i.e., were secretly done away with.

In more ways than one, it's reminiscent of a similarly paranoid conspiracy theory floated during the Bush-hating '00s, namely the notion that forces within the Bush administration actually conceived and orchestrated the 9/11 terror attacks.

Both theories rest on absurd presuppositions:



This is what is completely ruining the Republican party. It is full of , including our President, of people who choose to listen to and believe with absolutely no basis ANY CONSPIRACY THEORY about the Clintons.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who would read, listen to, or indeed post something like this has forfeited their right to engage in any adult conversation.

We have so many problems facing our country and you people are still living in the past going after the Clintons.

It is a very very sad commentary on the uneducated, uninformed, immature people who walk our streets.

Get with TODAY......talk about TODAY.

This is total bunk and craziness. These conspiracy theories are so sad to hear about anyone or any party. So childish.


I agree. Its like reading the National Enquirer and believing the headlines. (Rita Hayworth says - I'm Back from the Dead, I was a Zombie; Supreme Court justice Scalia Murdered by a Hooker; Marco Rubio supporting "secret second family.") How stupid can one get.

Back to the impeachment question - I see Mueller is now investigating finances of Trump and his associates in regards to Russia. There is a question as to whether any Russian entities may have provided financial guarantees for the loans that were made to the president or his immediate family members, such as Kushner. Follow the money...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Your ignorance is showing, most of the time peeps won't know how stupid you are, if you are real quiet!!!!

There's an old saying; "It is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think that you are ignorant than to open it and remove all doubt."