Mediums. Can people really contact dead people's spirits?

[graciegirl]

There is another thread about a specific woman who is having a presentation at a local church. There were some very interesting comments deleted on that thread and the moderator explained that it was because it was about a certain person and that we could begin a discussion about our views on the whole practice of people appearing to be able to communicate with the spirits of people who have died.

I don't believe that is possible.

I don't think my mind can be changed. I am somewhat influenced by my Catholic upbringing, although I am not really a practicing Catholic. I have always been skeptical and disbelieving of such things. Perhaps we all have hidden feelings and even fears about the spirit world.

I think that this may be a comforting experience for some but I personally think THIS kind of thing is a scam.

Is there money involved with this particular happening? Do people pay to be involved? Does someone make money on this get together?

[Taltarzac725]

Best Books On Psychics, Mediums, Spirit Communication & Life After Death | Best Psychic Mediums (http://www.bestpsychicmediums.com/bestbooks.htm)

I read a really good book on this and am looking for the title. Some of these also look useful.

This is it and it is by a very good writer. 'Ghost Hunters: William James and the Search for Scientific Proof of Life After Death,' by Deborah Blum - Book Review - The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/books/review/20Gottlieb.html)

[graciegirl]

Best Books On Psychics, Mediums, Spirit Communication & Life After Death | Best Psychic Mediums (http://www.bestpsychicmediums.com/bestbooks.htm)

I read a really good book on this and am looking for the title. Some of these also look useful.

Do you believe in communication with the dead, Tal?

[Taltarzac725]

Do you believe in communication with the dead, Tal?

I believe but cannot show any evidence that would convince anyone. However, there any many people who do swindle people out of their hard earned money by offering them false hope. The book I linked describes a lot of them and how the ghost hunters would expose them as frauds. Ghost Hunters, by Deborah Blum | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/ghost-hunters-by-deborah-blum-436893.html)

[graciegirl]

I believe but cannot show any evidence that would convince anyone. However, there any many people who do swindle people out of their hard earned money by offering them false hope. The book I linked describes a lot of them and how the ghost hunters would expose them as frauds. Ghost Hunters, by Deborah Blum | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/ghost-hunters-by-deborah-blum-436893.html)

I think I remember in the original thread there was mention of tickets to see this local woman at the Unitarian Church? Tickets usually mean money.

[Taltarzac725]

I think I remember in the original thread there was mention of tickets to see this local woman at the Unitarian Church? Tickets usually mean money.

I believe this woman is the real deal. Suzanne Giesemann | Messenger of Hope (http://www.suzannegiesemann.com/)

Suzanne Giesemann
- YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/srgiesemann)

[ColdNoMore]

Making/taking money from the gullible through clairvoyance, mediums, self-proclaimed prophets and also from megachurches...is probably the second oldest profession.


Not buying any of it.

[daveczo]

No more of a scam than all churches are. All about the $$.

[Mudder]

I sort of believe.....try to catch an episode of Long Island Medium. I think it's on TLC. Not on right now, but you can find episodes to watch on TLC app, etc... she seems very real, reads random people in stores, etc... along with people who do come to her by appt. in almost every single case the people are shocked that she knows things about the departed and that the departed are conveying meaningful messages specific to their loved one. You'll notice that as she starts to read a person she is writing very fast and also her mouth usually is making what appear to be involuntary movements.
Ok, she's a very entertaining " personality", as is her family, but I still think she's for real. Now the ones who work with a partner I'm a little suspious of still.

[Taltarzac725]

I have an open mind about individuals who profess something unique. The mass advertised organized forces are always suspect in my mind.

The ghost hunters researched some of these mediums.

In 1882, three of Butler's contemporaries, Fredrick Myers, Edmund Gurney and Henry Sidgwick, were, like Wallace, dissatisfied with the new dispensation, and decided to see if science itself could show the limits of Darwin's argument. As a target, they chose what today is relegated to New Most Haunted: the survival of bodily death. To investigate this they, and other illustrious characters, started the Society for Psychical Research, which is still going strong, and devoted an enormous amount of time, effort and energy to studying the anomalous phenomena making cracks in mechanistic science's allegedly impenetrable edifice.

Deborah Blum's Ghost Hunters: The Victorians and the Hunt for Proof of Life after Death is a fascinating, moving and, most importantly, paradigm-challenging account of the lives and work of the many scientists and thinkers who championed the cause of psychical research. These included Nobel Prize winners such as Lord Rayleigh; a future prime minister, Arthur Balfour; a poet laureate, Tennyson; a knight of the realm, Oliver Lodge; and other notables like Ruskin, Lewis Carroll, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Leslie Stephen, the literary critic and father of Virginia Woolf.

[golfing eagles]

I sort of believe.....try to catch an episode of Long Island Medium. I think it's on TLC. Not on right now, but you can find episodes to watch on TLC app, etc... she seems very real, reads random people in stores, etc... along with people who do come to her by appt. in almost every single case the people are shocked that she knows things about the departed and that the departed are conveying meaningful messages specific to their loved one. You'll notice that as she starts to read a person she is writing very fast and also her mouth usually is making what appear to be involuntary movements.
Ok, she's a very entertaining " personality", as is her family, but I still think she's for real. Now the ones who work with a partner I'm a little suspious of still.

Amazing what you can find out about a person on Google, isn't it?

[Taltarzac725]

I sort of believe.....try to catch an episode of Long Island Medium. I think it's on TLC. Not on right now, but you can find episodes to watch on TLC app, etc... she seems very real, reads random people in stores, etc... along with people who do come to her by appt. in almost every single case the people are shocked that she knows things about the departed and that the departed are conveying meaningful messages specific to their loved one. You'll notice that as she starts to read a person she is writing very fast and also her mouth usually is making what appear to be involuntary movements.
Ok, she's a very entertaining " personality", as is her family, but I still think she's for real. Now the ones who work with a partner I'm a little suspious of still.

Long Island Medium - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_Medium)

She just might be very observant about details and how people respond to questioning. And she might have plants in the audience??? I am very suspicious of people that have an industry attached to them.

[SFSkol]

It's rare that a medium is well done.

[manaboutown]

Like fortune tellers and Tarot card readers, mediums are clever performers who prey upon the desperate, the gullible and the vulnerable for compensation. Seances or whatever are shows, entertainment of sorts.

[Taltarzac725]

Mediums are clever performers who prey upon the gullible and the vulnerable for compensation. Seances or whatever are shows, entertainment of sorts.

You should read that book I linked. Not all of the mediums are fake.

Society for Psychical Research - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Psychical_Research)

[manaboutown]

You should read that book I linked. Not all of the mediums are fake.

Several years ago I read the book you cited and provided a link for in post#6.

If Harry Houdini were still around we might be able to find out if she truly is the real deal. Houdini's Greatest Trick: Debunking Medium Mina Crandon | Mental Floss (http://mentalfloss.com/article/53424/houdinis-greatest-trick-debunking-medium-mina-crandon)

[Taltarzac725]

Several years ago I read the book you cited and provided a link for in post#6.

I would like to talk to my late younger brother who died on December 3, 2014 but know there is a lot of information about him on Google and I would go into such a situation hoping to hear good news from him. I also think he would just go with the idea that I will see loved ones when I see them so why bother me up here with all the drama down there!

[biker1]

What is more likely; that someone can communicate with the dead or shady individuals are preying upon the vulnerabilities of desperate people? This is essentially in the same category as alien visitations: there is no proof that can withstand objective, scientific investigation and more plausible explanations exists.


You should read that book I linked. Not all of the mediums are fake.

Society for Psychical Research - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Psychical_Research)

[Taltarzac725]

What is more likely; that someone can communicate with the dead or shady individuals are preying upon the vulnerabilities of desperate people? This is essentially in the same category as alien visitations: there is no proof that can withstand objective, scientific investigation and more plausible explanations exists.

This might be of interest--

American Society for Psychical Research - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_for_Psychical_Research)

International Association for Near-Death Studies - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_for_Near-Death_Studies)

IANDS - the most reliable source of information on NDEs (http://iands.org/home.html)

[Taltarzac725]

This might be of interest--

American Society for Psychical Research - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_for_Psychical_Research)

International Association for Near-Death Studies - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_for_Near-Death_Studies)

IANDS - the most reliable source of information on NDEs (http://iands.org/home.html)

Suzanne Giesemann - Home | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/SuzanneGiesemann/)

I would love to hear from people who have actually been to one of these mediums like Suzanne Giesemann.

[manaboutown]

Although she does not claim to communicate with the dead, per se, this woman, who I have met and spent a little time with when she lived in Laguna Beach in the mid 1990's, has made a fortune with her "Angel" pitch. She is obviously enormously creative. Doreen Virtue - Official Angel Therapy Website (https://www.angeltherapy.com)

[Allegiance]

I believe but cannot show any evidence that would convince anyone. However, there any many people who do swindle people out of their hard earned money by offering them false hope. The book I linked describes a lot of them and how the ghost hunters would expose them as frauds. Ghost Hunters, by Deborah Blum | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/ghost-hunters-by-deborah-blum-436893.html)...
Sounds like a fascinating book, hope i can get it on my kindle.

Have a lot of amazon Kindle shipping dollars set to expire soon.

[biker1]

You are, of course, free to believe what you wish but there is a real difference between speculation and hard science. Occam's Razor is at work here.


This might be of interest--
American Society for Psychical Research - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Society_for_Psychical_Research)

International Association for Near-Death Studies - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Association_for_Near-Death_Studies)

IANDS - the most reliable source of information on NDEs (http://iands.org/home.html)

[golfing eagles]

You are, of course, free to believe what you wish but there is a real difference between speculation and hard science. Occam's Razor is at work here.

It was also at work for(against) Jodie Foster in "Contact", but you never know. We know so little about how the physics of the universe works that I believe almost anything is possible, although many things are unlikely---"angel therapy" comes to mind. Aliens??? At least the math and probabilities suggest billions of alien races out there. But can, or have any of them visited Earth? Is it even possible to travel at FTL speeds to make interstellar travel feasible? We've only been broadcasting electromagnetic signatures for 100 years, so finding us would have been a complete accident prior to WWI.

[Taltarzac725]

It was also at work for(against) Jodie Foster in "Contact", but you never know. We know so little about how the physics of the universe works that I believe almost anything is possible, although many things are unlikely---"angel therapy" comes to mind. Aliens??? At least the math and probabilities suggest billions of alien races out there. But can, or have any of them visited Earth? Is it even possible to travel at FTL speeds to make interstellar travel feasible? We've only been broadcasting electromagnetic signatures for 100 years, so finding us would have been a complete accident prior to WWI.

What did Albert Einstein think about the afterlife and ghosts?

[golfing eagles]

What did Albert Einstein think about the afterlife and ghosts?

No idea. But who among us actually thinks like Albert Einstein??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

No idea. But who among us actually thinks like Albert Einstein??????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Stephen Hawking does. Neither seems to really believe in the afterlife.

[golfing eagles]

Stephen Hawking does. Neither seems to really believe in the afterlife.

Of course, they are looking for empirical evidence and mathematical proof, not blind faith. The truth, as usual, may be somewhere in between.

[Taltarzac725]

This might be of interest--
Afterlife (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/afterlife/)

My friend Tom Snow was dead for maybe five minutes back around 1980 from a number of knife wounds into his heart upper chest area. Lost a lot of higher brain functions like his command of Spanish but maintained others.

He either was scared of the re-action of his peers in the Philosophy Department at the University of Nevada, Reno or just said that he did not remember anything after he was stabbed. The man that did it got off very lightly because of a heat of passion defense as Tom was trying to pick up his wife and I believe that this was rather close to Mustang Ranch but that just might be part of the story that was going around back then.

Tom cracked up when Indiana Jones shot the sword welding thug in Raiders of the Lost Ark when we went to see it. He was still trying to pick up married ladies around me so I kind of started to distance myself. He did have a habit of ****ing off boyfriends and wives. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) - Rotten Tomatoes (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/raiders_of_the_lost_ark/)

He still looks like quite a character.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

If this lady had been born about 2100 years ago, she might have become a Biblical Heroine.

If she were born in the 11th or 12th centuries, she would have been burned at the stake.

But, she was born in enlightened times with more benign mythologies and she and her believers are safe to do as they please. If her believers come to her seeking comfort, pay to achieve that comfort, and walk away comforted, what is wrong with that?

In my opinion, what she provides is far more beneficial to the consumer than weight loss pills, powders, and diets, wrinkle creams, golf improvement gizmos, better gas mileage products, erectile dysfunction cures, or miracle hair growth spray.

Is it real? I don't know. Does a dead person even have a viable spirit? If so, does it have to be a heavenly spirit or could I talk to Hitler, Genghis, Attila, or Joe Paterno?

[Allegiance]

This might be of interest--
Afterlife (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/afterlife/)

My friend Tom Snow was dead for maybe five minutes back around 1980 from a number of knife wounds into his heart upper chest area. Lost a lot of higher brain functions like his command of Spanish but maintained others.

He either was scared of the re-action of his peers in the Philosophy Department at the University of Nevada, Reno or just said that he did not remember anything after he was stabbed. The man that did it got off very lightly because of a heat of passion defense as Tom was trying to pick up his wife and I believe that this was rather close to Mustang Ranch but that just might be part of the story that was going around back then.

Tom cracked up when Indiana Jones shot the sword welding thug in Raiders of the Lost Ark when we went to see it. He was still trying to pick up married ladies around me so I kind of started to distance myself. He did have a habit of ****ing off boyfriends and wives. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) - Rotten Tomatoes (https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/raiders_of_the_lost_ark/)

He still looks like quite a character.What a great movie! Full interesting characters.

[Taltarzac725]

Of course, they are looking for empirical evidence and mathematical proof, not blind faith. The truth, as usual, may be somewhere in between.

I would look more to poets, artists and musicians myself to get at what the afterlife might be like. Not earth bound scientists.

[manaboutown]

Is it real? I don't know. Does a dead person even have a viable spirit? If so, does it have to be a heavenly spirit or could I talk to Hitler, Genghis, Attila, or Joe Paterno?

Well, these guys may be in a hotspot and therefore reachable...

[JoelJohnson]

If anyone could have done it, Harry Houdini would have.

[dewilson58]

There is another thread about a specific woman who is having a presentation at a local church. There were some very interesting comments deleted on that thread and the moderator explained that it was because it was about a certain person and that we could begin a discussion about our views on the whole practice of people appearing to be able to communicate with the spirits of people who have died.

I don't believe that is possible.

I don't think my mind can be changed. I am somewhat influenced by my Catholic upbringing, although I am not really a practicing Catholic. I have always been skeptical and disbelieving of such things. Perhaps we all have hidden feelings and even fears about the spirit world.

I think that this may be a comforting experience for some but I personally think THIS kind of thing is a scam.

Is there money involved with this particular happening? Do people pay to be involved? Does someone make money on this get together?



Grace,

With God...........anything and everything is possible.

[Wiotte]

Sounds great ? Give ya nice warm fuzzies at night ? What a crock.

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[Taltarzac725]

Sounds great ? Give ya nice warm fuzzies at night ? What a crock.

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Well if you are very high on drugs....

[Nana2five*]

I don't feel like I sound like a crazy person but I do in fact believe that there are people that can connect with people that have passed all that claim to be able to do it I believe some or majority are fake but I've also been to someone who is now in Nevada I believe ...he did originally live in Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia and a friend of mine's husband had passed suddenly he was only 49 years old she went to him about two weeks after her husband died ....she just called and made an appointment she didn't say she wanted a psychic reading or a mediumship she just made an appointment with him and did only give her first name and no other personal information about herself unless there was a phone number that I'm not sure ....when she walked in he asked her what was she there for and she said him but my husband just died and he looked at her and he said but that was only two weeks and it takes 30 days for spirit to become settled to where they're going to be now he had no way of knowing her husband had died because they did not use the same last name so there was no research that could've been done anyway he told her he would try but he didn't think it would work the next thing was he said to her he's very confused he does not know what happened he keeps thinking that maybe it was a dream and then he started to tell her so many personal things like he said to her really he smoked a lot he also spoke to her about a sandwich he used to make on Christmas & Easter morning it was with scrapple which is a Philadelphia thing he went on to tell her so many personal things there was no way he could not of been genuine so I do believe I don't believe all of them can do it and I don't like that some people take other peoples money but I do believe there are people that can connect you just have to be very cautious ....He did also state the date of his death correctly. They say we're all have an ability. It's our intuition. I think these true people are highly intuitive....

[2newyorkers]

There is a town north of Deltona, Florida called Cassadaga. It calls itself a spiritual camp. You must be a certified psychic to live in this town. You can have a reading or a seance. I am a skeptic so I have never paid for a reading but I have been in a group seance. They use a tilt table at the seance. It was a hoot and not scary at all. Google it if interested.

[Taltarzac725]

I don't feel like I sound like a crazy person but I do in fact believe that there are people that can connect with people that have passed all that claim to be able to do it I believe some or majority are fake but I've also been to someone who is now in Nevada I believe ...he did originally live in Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia and a friend of mine's husband had passed suddenly he was only 49 years old she went to him about two weeks after her husband died ....she just called and made an appointment she didn't say she wanted a psychic reading or a mediumship she just made an appointment with him and did only give her first name and no other personal information about herself unless there was a phone number that I'm not sure ....when she walked in he asked her what was she there for and she said him but my husband just died and he looked at her and he said but that was only two weeks and it takes 30 days for spirit to become settled to where they're going to be now he had no way of knowing her husband had died because they did not use the same last name so there was no research that could've been done anyway he told her he would try but he didn't think it would work the next thing was he said to her he's very confused he does not know what happened he keeps thinking that maybe it was a dream and then he started to tell her so many personal things like he said to her really he smoked a lot he also spoke to her about a sandwich he used to make on Christmas & Easter morning it was with scrapple which is a Philadelphia thing he went on to tell her so many personal things there was no way he could not of been genuine so I do believe I don't believe all of them can do it and I don't like that some people take other peoples money but I do believe there are people that can connect you just have to be very cautious ....He did also state the date of his death correctly. They say we're all have an ability. It's our intuition. I think these true people are highly intuitive....

I believe there are people with different abilities based on how they use their brains. Could explain some of this.

[graciegirl]

There is a town north of Deltona, Florida called Cassadaga. It calls itself a spiritual camp. You must be a certified psychic to live in this town. You can have a reading or a seance. I am a skeptic so I have never paid for a reading but I have been in a group seance. They use a tilt table at the seance. It was a hoot and not scary at all. Google it if interested.

You must be a certified psychic to live in this town.

If my kids said that I would make them defend their statement.

Who certifies a psychic?

How can a municipality govern who lives there? It seems like the civil rights people would be all over that.

I am only debating and no malice meant.

[Taltarzac725]

You must be a certified psychic to live in this town.

If my kids said that I would make them defend their statement.

Who certifies a psychic?

How can a municipality govern who lives there? It seems like the civil rights people would be all over that.

I am only debating and no malice meant.

There is a Spiritualist Camp there.

Cassadaga Spiritualist Camp (http://www.cassadaga.org/)

Cassadaga, Florida - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassadaga,_Florida)

[dewilson58]

Some how, my Bride knows what I'm thinking.

:shocked:

[Wiotte]

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[Wiotte]

Or,

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[graciegirl]

Some how, my Bride knows what I'm thinking.

:shocked:

There is a lot of THAT going on in our house too.

The Salk Institute has researched the fact that certain people are more tuned into facial expressions and body language than others. Many people affected with Williams Syndrome were better at this than the general population. AND

Some people with Autism are less likely to pick up social or emotional cues from others faces or body language than the general population and those with the same level of cognitive functioning. Dr. Ursula Belugi has researched this kind of thing for more than twenty years.

[Wiotte]

Or maybe,

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[Carl in Tampa]

If anyone could have done it, Harry Houdini would have.

:agree: More about that under my second point, below.

1. James Randi, who was a stage illusionist (magician), became convinced that "Psychics" and "Mediums" were fakes who used tricks similar to the "magic tricks" of other stage magicians for the purpose of deluding people into believing in Psychic abilities, usually for the purpose of making money and gaining fame.

Accordingly, he raised $1,000,000 (one million dollars) which he offered to anyone who could "demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event under test conditions agreed to by both parties." Although many people made the attempt, including on live television, no one ever was able to claim the prize.

At the bottom of this page I am linking a 17 minute video in which Randi discusses phony Psychic abilities, as well as the farce of homeopathic medicine. It is worth your time to view this video.

Incidentally, there are videos on youtube in which Randi debunks James Hydrick, Maureen Flynn, Uri Geller (the spoon bender) and Faith Healer Peter Popoff. The trickery used by Popoff is reproduced in the Chevy Chase movie Fletch Lives.

2. Now about Harry Houdini. Like Randi, Houdini was a professional illusionist, and also an escape artist. Unlike Randi, Houdini wanted desperately to believe in being able to communicate with the dead. That is why he started going to Mediums. However, as a professional illusionist, he quickly saw through their deceits, and became disillusioned. Thereafter, he undertook to determine the methods of each Medium so he could expose them.

Houdini had his appendix ruptured in a freak accident. Knowing that he was dying he told his wife that if there were any way possible he would communicate with her after his death. He never did.


3. My examples above might lead you to believe that I don't believe that it is possible to communicate with the dead. Well, hold that thought for a minute.

I am a Christian. The Bible tells me that we should not consult mediums or attempt to communicate with the dead.

a. "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. - Deut. 18:10-11

b. "Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God." Lev. 19:31

MY CONCLUSION is that either:

Psychics and/or Mediums are phony, skillful illusionists who use trickery to deceive people, either for fame or for financial gain, or

There are Mediums who have occult powers, but God forbids having any interaction with them.

James Randi: Homeopathy, quackery and fraud | TED Talk | TED.com (https://www.ted.com/talks/james_randi)

[gomsiepop]

I think I remember in the original thread there was mention of tickets to see this local woman at the Unitarian Church? Tickets usually mean money.

I read a few articles about this medium and she is requesting a donation of $10.00 a person. I think that amount is quite fair.

[Wiotte]

I read a few articles about this medium and she is requesting a donation of $10.00 a person. I think that amount is quite fair.



My last posting regarding this was deleted. Again, what Christian church would allow a medium through it's doors ? Am I missing something here ?


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[CWGUY]

My last posting regarding this was deleted. Again, what Christian church would allow a medium through it's doors ? Am I missing something here ?


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:agree:

[Carl in Tampa]

There is a Spiritualist Camp there.

Cassadaga Spiritualist Camp (http://www.cassadaga.org/)

OK, Christians, before you fall into error, click on the link to the Cassadaga Spiritualist Camp and read their own words, "Spiritualism is a religion that is not based on a relationship with a particular savior. It recognizes all prophets that have come to humankind throughout the ages, not setting one above the other.

Christians associate themselves with this "religion" at great risk.

[Wiotte]

OK, Christians, before you fall into error, click on the link to the Cassadaga Spiritualist Camp and read their own words, "Spiritualism is a religion that is not based on a relationship with a particular savior. It recognizes all prophets that have come to humankind throughout the ages, not setting one above the other.

Christians associate themselves with this "religion" at great risk.



Tell that to the pastor of Unity.


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[manaboutown]

There is a town north of Deltona, Florida called Cassadaga. It calls itself a spiritual camp. You must be a certified psychic to live in this town. You can have a reading or a seance. I am a skeptic so I have never paid for a reading but I have been in a group seance. They use a tilt table at the seance. It was a hoot and not scary at all. Google it if interested.

Now I know psychiatrists certify psychos but who certifies psychics?

Meanwhile, I am still stuck on trying to understand the cause of the Taos Hum which some believe may be spirits attempting to contact the living (without the need of a medium?). The Taos Hum - Aquiziam (https://www.aquiziam.com/the-taos-hum/)

[dewilson58]

How do you know the dead is not talking thru this website??

[fred53]

No. You can not communicate with the dead. Most people can barely communicate with the living. I suppose if you're hard up enough you'll do anything to speak to those you've lost, but it's you who are lost and those who tell you they can having the last laugh. Extreme longing will make people do and believe just about anything. Really sad.

[Carl in Tampa]

My last posting regarding this was deleted. Again, what Christian church would allow a medium through it's doors ? Am I missing something here ?


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At the risk of another deletion, and making no reference to any post on any other thread, Unity Church is not a Christian Church within the traditional Christian tradition.

When I was younger, my dad had an interest in Unity and we attended a couple of meetings. Unity Church followers believe in the divinity of Jesus, but only in the sense that all humans are the children of God and share that divine potential. They believe that Jesus was a master teacher who expressed this divine potential and sought to show others how to do the same. Unity uses the term "Christ" to mean the divinity in all people. For them Jesus is the great example of the Christ in physical form.

This is outside the mainstream of Christian belief and is unacceptable. It may also explain why a spiritualist (religion) person is welcome in a Unity Church.

[Taltarzac725]

How do you know the dead is not talking thru this website??

Some of the responses have had me wondering but it would be quite hard to type with no fingers or even hands.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa
OK, Christians, before you fall into error, click on the link to the Cassadaga Spiritualist Camp and read their own words, "Spiritualism is a religion that is not based on a relationship with a particular savior. It recognizes all prophets that have come to humankind throughout the ages, not setting one above the other.

Christians associate themselves with this "religion" at great risk.

Tell that to the pastor of Unity.


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Unity is outside the mainstream of traditional Christianity, as I explain in another post, which you are free to read.

[Challenger]

" Fools and their funds are early parted" old English adage

Sad commentary on scammers who take advantage of emotionally distressed people.

[graciegirl]

Has the moderator deleted posts from this thread? Why would that be?

I am thinking we are all staying within the subject matter. Some of us do not believe in mediums and some of us do believe in mediums.

We are taught as Catholics not to believe in this kind of thing. I don't know what other churches say.

Ten dollars a person is fair for WHAT? Ten people is a hundred dollars and that is a nice amount of money. 100 people is even a nicer, a goodly amount of money. It makes me suspicious that someone is performing for the money. Would they contact the dead person for no money?

[manaboutown]

Ten dollars a person is fair for WHAT? Ten people is a hundred dollars and that is a nice amount of money. 100 people is even a nicer, a goodly amount of money. It makes me suspicious that someone is performing for the money. Would they contact the dead person for no money?

Kinda like annuity sales outfits offering free dinners?

May the point not be to edify but to sign up customers?

[Taltarzac725]

Kinda like annuity sales outfits offering free dinners?

May the point not be to edify but to sign up customers?

Sounds about right. The ultimate time share!

[Topspinmo]

Quackery, I figure it dead relative wanted to contact me, the wouldn't need Middle person. They WOULD Just do it!

[rubicon]

All this discussion... you would want to believe that by now given the average age of the people on this forum that the answer to the threads question would be Occam Razor applies. Simply stated human beings grieve over the loss of love ones and in a sort a desperation fantasize about the thought of having one more conversation with them. Ask your self how many times in your minds eye have you talked to a love one as if they were going to really listen.

[golfing eagles]

All this discussion... you would want to believe that by now given the average age of the people on this forum that the answer to the threads question would be Occam Razor applies. Simply stated human beings grieve over the loss of love ones and in a sort a desperation fantasize about the thought of having one more conversation with them. Ask your self how many times in your monds eye have you talked to a love one as if they were going to really listen.

I talk to my wife all the time and she rarely listens. But I rarely listen to her either. (Clarification: We are both living):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Well, the good news is that the questions will be answered when they thaw out Ted Williams.

[rubicon]

I talk to my wife all the time and she rarely listens. But I rarely listen to her either. (Clarification: We are both living):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I lay blame on the fact that I can't hear here because I am losing my hearing:D... did you say dinner...no I said simmer down:D

[golfing eagles]

I lay blame on the fact that I can't hear here because I am losing my hearing:D... did you say dinner...no I said simmer down:D

I use that excuse also:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Unfortunately, she was present when I scored 100% on my hearing test. I now tell her she doesn't speak loud enough:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[pooh]

Over the years, have had two interactions with mediums. Actually the first was John Edward. He was doing an event in San Diego. Thought I might like to see just what he does and how he does it. Had a friend who was the guest who had a reading on John's first tv series. Well, I brought along my husband and his mom. The hall had many people listening and hoping. Watched John like a hawk....was he going to do "cold readings?" I'd watch and see just how specific he was with what he was "channeling." The three of us were seated on the side where there were few individuals. Suddenly he said he was getting a message from someone who lost their life in a plane crash. He looked over to where we were sitting, said it was for an individual right where we were. Well, Mike's Mom had lost her husband in a plane crash years and years ago. John went on to give information that was specific to how, what, when, that were unique to this situation. Was it a cold reading? Made sure Mom did not offer any information that could help the famous psychic. It was interesting because it didn't follow what one would consider "parlor trickery." Was it real? I don't know, but it was extremely surprising.

Another medium is a friend of a friend and I hosted dinner at my home for them the evening after her presentation. She did a short reading for me during the event. Was it accurate? It was. Was it specific and not cold reading? Again it was. Was it real? I'm not sure, but I do know this woman is a loving and caring individual and we had a great evening filled with lively and funny conversation....about all sorts of things.

[Nucky]

I would love to speak to my Mom, Dad or Mother In Law who have all passed away but as badly as I would like that to happen I would never pay.

The only thing I ever experienced was something you may remember on I Love Lucy. Ethel to Tilly come in Tilly. Scary and funny as a child but nothing for me to pay attention to now. If my family who passed need me they know where to reach me....at the pool.

[ColdNoMore]

Mediums/clairvoyants, holding paid performances in supposed mainstream churches...is simply bizarre to me. :ohdear:

[slipcovers]

When your dead, your dead. Period

[biker1]

I already stated a lot of this in another thread. Alien contact is very unlikely because of the distances involved
and the fact that it is unlikely we are known by other civilizations. Communication with the dead is very unlikely because there is no hard evidence to prove it.


It was also at work for(against) Jodie Foster in "Contact", but you never know. We know so little about how the physics of the universe works that I believe almost anything is possible, although many things are unlikely---"angel therapy" comes to mind. Aliens??? At least the math and probabilities suggest billions of alien races out there. But can, or have any of them visited Earth? Is it even possible to travel at FTL speeds to make interstellar travel feasible? We've only been broadcasting electromagnetic signatures for 100 years, so finding us would have been a complete accident prior to WWI.

[graciegirl]

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[Wiotte]

At the risk of another deletion, and making no reference to any post on any other thread, Unity Church is not a Christian Church within the traditional Christian tradition.

When I was younger, my dad had an interest in Unity and we attended a couple of meetings. Unity Church followers believe in the divinity of Jesus, but only in the sense that all humans are the children of God and share that divine potential. They believe that Jesus was a master teacher who expressed this divine potential and sought to show others how to do the same. Unity uses the term "Christ" to mean the divinity in all people. For them Jesus is the great example of the Christ in physical form.

This is outside the mainstream of Christian belief and is unacceptable. It may also explain why a spiritualist (religion) person is welcome in a Unity Church.

Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see.

[Wiotte]

When your dead, your dead. Period

My blessed mother shoved a fifth of Irish whiskey under her dead fathers arm while he slept in his coffin. Trust me, that bottle is empty now.:pray:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

There is a town north of Deltona, Florida called Cassadaga. It calls itself a spiritual camp. You must be a certified psychic to live in this town. You can have a reading or a seance. I am a skeptic so I have never paid for a reading but I have been in a group seance. They use a tilt table at the seance. It was a hoot and not scary at all. Google it if interested.

It is all the non-psychic adult children who live with their parents that cause all the trouble in that town.

[plrbr1120]

Yes. We experienced it first hand after a loss in our family. Was with a well known medium from New York. His name is George Anderson. And the reading was legit.

[Taltarzac725]

It is all the non-psychic adult children who live with their parents that cause all the trouble in that town.

That is a nice amusing twist on this thread.

[Carl in Tampa]

Yes. We experienced it first hand after a loss in our family. Was with a well known medium from New York. His name is George Anderson. And the reading was legit.

"George Anderson is one of the country’s three major “psychic mediums.” He may be less well known than John Edward and James Van Praagh, but like the others he charges the bereaved a small fortune for the opportunity to ostensibly communicate with a departed loved one." -- Introduction by Gary Posner, MD

Close Encounter of the Secondhand Kind with ‘Psychic Medium’ George Anderson - CSI (http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/close_encounter_of_the_secondhand_kind_with_psychi c_medium_george_anderson)

[manaboutown]

"George Anderson is one of the country’s three major “psychic mediums.” He may be less well known than John Edward and James Van Praagh, but like the others he charges the bereaved a small fortune for the opportunity to ostensibly communicate with a departed loved one." -- Introduction by Gary Posner, MD

Close Encounter of the Secondhand Kind with ‘Psychic Medium’ George Anderson - CSI (http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/close_encounter_of_the_secondhand_kind_with_psychi c_medium_george_anderson)

These mediums remind me of some of the touted high priced singles matchmaking/dating services except they promise to match the living with the permanently departed.

[Barefoot]

I believe this woman is the real deal. Suzanne Giesemann | Messenger of Hope (http://www.suzannegiesemann.com/)
Suzanne Giesemann
- YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/user/srgiesemann)

Suzanne Giesemann - Home | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/SuzanneGiesemann/)
I would love to hear from people who have actually been to one of these mediums like Suzanne Giesemann.
I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to try to change anyone's mind.

[rubicon]

We once had to do research for a business matter and discovered that Wickun (witches) were the 7th largest religion. People will believe almost anything and PT Barnum made a fortunate understanding that fact.


Now I see dead people ( Sixth Sense) great movie

[Challenger]

We once had to do research for a business matter and discovered that Wickun (witches) were the 7th largest religion. People will believe almost anything and PT Barnum made a fortunate understanding that fact.


Now I see dead people ( Sixth Sense) great movie

What do witches use for a symbol? I think I saw something is a front yard yesterday:boom:

[biker1]

You bring up an important point (highlighted below). Some people's belief systems are based on faith and other people's belief systems are based on facts.

I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to try to change anyone's mind.

[aninjamom]

Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything."

[Mrs. Robinson]

My last posting regarding this was deleted. Again, what Christian church would allow a medium through it's doors ? Am I missing something here ?

A very interesting thought that gets one thinking.

Could it be that she's a member of that church?
Perhaps she's donating some of the proceeds to the church?

No, I don't think you're missing anything but I can't help but think there must be a common link that makes sense because on the surface, it doesn't.

[Allegiance]

These people are the lowest of the low. Preying on people with weak minds, many that have recently experienced loss.


7 Tricks Psychics And Mediums Use - How Psychics Use Cold Reading, The Forer Effect - Thrillist (https://www.thrillist.com/culture/7-tricks-psychics-and-mediums-use-how-psychics-use-cold-reading-the-forer-effect)

[Taltarzac725]

I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to try to change anyone's mind.


Good to hear from you Barefoot.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything."

Are you saying that because this church is not a Christian church, it is no good and worthless?

That's what I am understanding from your quote which indicates you have no tolerance for Unitarianism.

[maureenod]

My blessed mother shoved a fifth of Irish whiskey under her dead fathers arm while he slept in his coffin. Trust me, that bottle is empty now.:pray:

When Paddy was on his death bed, he told his wife, Mary, be wanted to take his money with him. He made her promise to carry out his last request.

When he died, and the funeral was over, her son ask.

"Mom, did you carry out his last request"

" Yes, son, my word is golden, he took his money with him. Last night when everyone was gone and I said my final goodbye, I slipped a check into his pocket.

[Boomer]

Somebody, somewhere in this thread started in on the Unitarians.

Just for the record -- Unity and Unitarian are not the same church.

You could ask Google if you want to know what those differences are.

[graciegirl]

Are you saying that because this church is not a Christian church, it is no good and worthless?

That's what I am understanding from your quote which indicates you have no tolerance for Unitarianism.

Tolerance is a tricky thing. There are those with no tolerance for crosses in yards.

I have little patience (tolerance) with people who ignore deed restrictions.

I think REAL intolerance is easy to spot, THAT kind of intolerance. Hateful intolerance...... THAT kind is the kind spoiling for a fight. I say...........the more churches the better. And synagogues...and kind and loving people who look for good. I am INtolerant of all religions that want to kill people in TODAY's world.

Just because some people may not be accepting of Unitarianism as their religion doesn't mean they hate Unitarians. Quilters don't like sculpting sometimes. Everyone is different or they would only sell vanilla ice cream.

[Taltarzac725]

Thanks Graciegirl for starting a thread on a fascinating subject. We have probably been talking about this topic as long as humans could communicate with one another.

[justjim]

I think I remember in the original thread there was mention of tickets to see this local woman at the Unitarian Church? Tickets usually mean money.

As other posts have mentioned (but worth repeating) the Unitarian Church is not considered by most Christian denominations as "mainline". A Mega-Church is generally defined as a church that has an average of 2,000 or more attendees weekly for a year. There are many fine mega-churches and some located right here in The Villages. Frankly, no experience with the prime subject matter but skeptical.

[Barefoot]

I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.

Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one.

Somebody, somewhere in this thread started in on the Unitarians. Just for the record -- Unity and Unitarian are not the same church.

Just to set the record straight:
Suzanne previously rented a meeting room at the Unity Church in Summerfield.
The entrance fee of $5 was donated to the Unity Church for room rental.
(The Synagogue on CR 101 also has meeting rooms for rent, but I'm getting sidetracked.)
Now that the Unity Church has built a new Unity Spiritual Center in Fruitland Park, Suzanne holds her monthly meetings there.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

This thread has intrigued me so I hired a medium to help me resolve some issues. I thought it worth a shot. We sat in my front yard in front of a statue of St Drogo The Bilocator, patron saint of ugly people. I use this ornament to hide my little white cross. To ensure a pleasant experience, I hired a DJ from one of the local swimming pools to play some oldies. Our goal was to communicate with the spirit of Nicola Tesla so he could help me figure out why my 2005 gas powered Club Car keeps destroying starter solenoids. Those babies cost $34 and the medium was only charging $19.99 through a Groupon deal. After a few minutes, we achieved a bit of a breakthrough, but my joy was short lived. We had reached the spirit of Sir George Sitwell, fourth Baronet of Renishaw, Derbyshire, England (1860-1943) Talk about a jerk! He began by demanding that we not contradict him in any way, as it interferes with the functioning of the gastric juices and prevents his sleeping at night. We quickly apologized for dialing a wrong number and moved on. Next came a brief exchange with Bob Marley who told us, “The devil ain’t got no power over me. The devil come, and me shake hands with the devil. Devil have his part to play. Devil’s a good friend, too… because when you don’t know him, that’s the time he can mosh you down.” He also added, "Your music sucks". This seemed to distress the DJ who began composing a letter to the editor on his iPad. Not much of a multi-tasker, he stopped playing music. After connecting with my old maid aunt who said, "I told you to buy an electric cart but you never listen" and Harvey Penick who told me my right hand grip was too strong, I was feeling somewhat encouraged. We were just hitting a groove when a neighbor came by and threatened to anonymously call Deed Compliance on me. I pondered the wisdom of trying to point out the paradox of her telling me that she was going to covertly report me, but I instead I just threatened to report her for having a fake service dog and exceeding the two pet rule with her amply stocked aquarium. I reminded the DJ that I was paying him to play tunes, not to text people on his cell phone and he sheepishly returned to work, spinning Jackie Wilson's first solo hit, Reet Petite. I hoped Bob Marley was still listening. We got a few more hits. Let me tell you that Don Rickles is not a lot of fun one on one. Mama Cass vehemently denies having been pregnant with John Lennon's child and is deeply offended that people believe a Jewish girl choked on a ham sandwich. Robin Williams is still not funny and sadly has pretty much reverted to full time Mork. We connected with dozens of common everyday people who wanted us to pass messages to the living. Most of these requests were of antagonistic nature, several regarding their spouses’ remarriages. When I began to lose hope of finding Tesla, it happened. Of course, all of the people we met were channeling through the medium. I know this was real because if it weren’t, the medium could be making a lot of money in Vegas as an impersonator. She nailed Rickles, Williams, Marley, my aunt, and now was speaking in a thick Serbo-Croatian accent. Sadly, I did not get my answer regarding the solenoid. Tesla admonished me for being trivial, noting that he could have revealed the truth about the Taos Hum, the Voynich Manuscript, Nazca Lines, or whether the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. Anyhoo…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Mediums are real but it is a hit or miss deal.

[graciegirl]

This thread has intrigued me so I hired a medium to help me resolve some issues. I thought it worth a shot. We sat in my front yard in front of a statue of St Drogo The Bilocator, patron saint of ugly people. I use this ornament to hide my little white cross. To ensure a pleasant experience, I hired a DJ from one of the local swimming pools to play some oldies. Our goal was to communicate with the spirit of Nicola Tesla so he could help me figure out why my 2005 gas powered Club Car keeps destroying starter solenoids. Those babies cost $34 and the medium was only charging $19.99 through a Groupon deal. After a few minutes, we achieved a bit of a breakthrough, but my joy was short lived. We had reached the spirit of Sir George Sitwell, fourth Baronet of Renishaw, Derbyshire, England (1860-1943) Talk about a jerk! He began by demanding that we not contradict him in any way, as it interferes with the functioning of the gastric juices and prevents his sleeping at night. We quickly apologized for dialing a wrong number and moved on. Next came a brief exchange with Bob Marley who told us, “The devil ain’t got no power over me. The devil come, and me shake hands with the devil. Devil have his part to play. Devil’s a good friend, too… because when you don’t know him, that’s the time he can mosh you down.” He also added, "Your music sucks". This seemed to distress the DJ who began composing a letter to the editor on his iPad. Not much of a multi-tasker, he stopped playing music. After connecting with my old maid aunt who said, "I told you to buy an electric cart but you never listen" and Harvey Penick who told me my right hand grip was too strong, I was feeling somewhat encouraged. We were just hitting a groove when a neighbor came by and threatened to anonymously call Deed Compliance on me. I pondered the wisdom of trying to point out the paradox of her telling me that she was going to covertly report me, but I instead I just threatened to report her for having a fake service dog and exceeding the two pet rule with her amply stocked aquarium. I reminded the DJ that I was paying him to play tunes, not to text people on his cell phone and he sheepishly returned to work, spinning Jackie Wilson's first solo hit, Reet Petite. I hoped Bob Marley was still listening. We got a few more hits. Let me tell you that Don Rickles is not a lot of fun one on one. Mama Cass vehemently denies having been pregnant with John Lennon's child and is deeply offended that people believe a Jewish girl choked on a ham sandwich. Robin Williams is still not funny and sadly has pretty much reverted to full time Mork. We connected with dozens of common everyday people who wanted us to pass messages to the living. Most of these requests were of antagonistic nature, several regarding their spouses’ remarriages. When I began to lose hope of finding Tesla, it happened. Of course, all of the people we met were channeling through the medium. I know this was real because if it weren’t, the medium could be making a lot of money in Vegas as an impersonator. She nailed Rickles, Williams, Marley, my aunt, and now was speaking in a thick Serbo-Croatian accent. Sadly, I did not get my answer regarding the solenoid. Tesla admonished me for being trivial, noting that he could have revealed the truth about the Taos Hum, the Voynich Manuscript, Nazca Lines, or whether the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. Anyhoo…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Mediums are real but it is a hit or miss deal.

I so like your humor.

[Barefoot]

This thread has intrigued me so I hired a medium to help me resolve some issues. I thought it worth a shot. We sat in my front yard in front of a statue of St Drogo The Bilocator, patron saint of ugly people. I use this ornament to hide my little white cross. To ensure a pleasant experience, I hired a DJ from one of the local swimming pools to play some oldies. Our goal was to communicate with the spirit of Nicola Tesla so he could help me figure out why my 2005 gas powered Club Car keeps destroying starter solenoids. Those babies cost $34 and the medium was only charging $19.99 through a Groupon deal. After a few minutes, we achieved a bit of a breakthrough, but my joy was short lived. We had reached the spirit of Sir George Sitwell, fourth Baronet of Renishaw, Derbyshire, England (1860-1943) Talk about a jerk! He began by demanding that we not contradict him in any way, as it interferes with the functioning of the gastric juices and prevents his sleeping at night. We quickly apologized for dialing a wrong number and moved on. Next came a brief exchange with Bob Marley who told us, “The devil ain’t got no power over me. The devil come, and me shake hands with the devil. Devil have his part to play. Devil’s a good friend, too… because when you don’t know him, that’s the time he can mosh you down.” He also added, "Your music sucks". This seemed to distress the DJ who began composing a letter to the editor on his iPad. Not much of a multi-tasker, he stopped playing music. After connecting with my old maid aunt who said, "I told you to buy an electric cart but you never listen" and Harvey Penick who told me my right hand grip was too strong, I was feeling somewhat encouraged. We were just hitting a groove when a neighbor came by and threatened to anonymously call Deed Compliance on me. I pondered the wisdom of trying to point out the paradox of her telling me that she was going to covertly report me, but I instead I just threatened to report her for having a fake service dog and exceeding the two pet rule with her amply stocked aquarium. I reminded the DJ that I was paying him to play tunes, not to text people on his cell phone and he sheepishly returned to work, spinning Jackie Wilson's first solo hit, Reet Petite. I hoped Bob Marley was still listening. We got a few more hits. Let me tell you that Don Rickles is not a lot of fun one on one. Mama Cass vehemently denies having been pregnant with John Lennon's child and is deeply offended that people believe a Jewish girl choked on a ham sandwich. Robin Williams is still not funny and sadly has pretty much reverted to full time Mork. We connected with dozens of common everyday people who wanted us to pass messages to the living. Most of these requests were of antagonistic nature, several regarding their spouses’ remarriages. When I began to lose hope of finding Tesla, it happened. Of course, all of the people we met were channeling through the medium. I know this was real because if it weren’t, the medium could be making a lot of money in Vegas as an impersonator. She nailed Rickles, Williams, Marley, my aunt, and now was speaking in a thick Serbo-Croatian accent. Sadly, I did not get my answer regarding the solenoid. Tesla admonished me for being trivial, noting that he could have revealed the truth about the Taos Hum, the Voynich Manuscript, Nazca Lines, or whether the chicken came before the egg or vice versa. Anyhoo…that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Mediums are real but it is a hit or miss deal.
:a20:

[Mrs. Robinson]

Rapscallion St Croix -- I can't wait for you to come out with the next chapter !!!

[CFrance]

What do witches use for a symbol? I think I saw something is a front yard yesterday:boom:
Was it under the eaves?:icon_twisted:

[golfing eagles]

Was it under the eaves?:icon_twisted:

or in the broom closet?
maybe next to the bonfire?
behind the cauldron?

[Allegiance]

A village outing is in order.

Cassadaga, Florida - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassadaga,_Florida)

[Wiotte]

A village outing is in order.

Cassadaga, Florida - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassadaga,_Florida)



I'm in.


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[Jima64]

Send mre fifty bucks and I will contact anyone for you.

[aninjamom]

[QUOTE=Mrs. Robinson;1428838]Are you saying that because this church is not a Christian church, it is no good and worthless?

That's what I am understanding from your quote which indicates you have no tolerance for Unitarianism.[/QUOTE

No, I am continually offended by the uninformed that assume that because a place is called a church, it is "Christian". If a church does not acknowledge, and attempt to obey, Jesus Christ as God, they are not "Christ-followers" - CHRISTian.
That goes for Westboro Baptist too, by the way, as far as I'm concerned.

[dbussone]

Was it under the eaves?:icon_twisted:



Only after a neighbor reported it.


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[CFrance]

Only after a neighbor reported it.


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You win!:clap2:

[Moderator]

Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Moderator

[Topspinmo]

Send mre fifty bucks and I will contact anyone for you.


Only if you can garrentee winning lottery numbers, I'll pay you after I get paid.

[CWGUY]

Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Moderator

:wave: Well done Mr./Ms. Moderator and I find that rare.

[VICAR OF DIBLEY]

i[QUOTE=Barefoot;1428787]I have no doubt that most mediums are money-hungry imposters; but a special few are genuine.
I had a private reading with Suzanne about 6 years ago. (She now has a two-year waiting list).
Suzanne is an evidence-based medium, and she offered me indisputable (to me) evidence of contact with the spirit world.
I've also attended Suzanne's monthly sessions at the Unity Church for the past seven years.
I've grown to believe that Suzanne is a genuine and gifted medium.
I understand that some people are skeptics -- belief systems are complex and personal.
I'm posting to answer Tal's question, not to try to change anyone's mind.
[/QUO

I know that Suzanne is evidenced base. This means that she feels she will tell you something about somebody who she would have no way of knowing. If she is u able to do this, she will tell you.

I know quite a few people who have seen her, and they all said their was no way she could have known ahead of the reading about the people who "spoke" to her.

In terms of the $10 dollar fee, she does not keep this money, but donates it all to the church.

She will also inform you prior to your session with her, that she can not always contact spirits everytime she gives a reading.

I found this thread interesting to read, but it would be good if some of you checked on the accuracy of your statements.

[Carl in Tampa]

Someone mentioned that it was a Unitarian Church. Not a Christian one. "If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything."

No, the local Medium is scheduled into the Unity Church, which is not the same as the Unitarian Church.

However, neither of these belief systems are considered to be in the mainstream of Christian tradition.

Now, let's apply Occam's Razor to the issue of Mediums, as I did back at post #48.

Either:

A. These psychics are frauds who are in the game for fame and money, or

B. They are genuine Mediums, and Christians are forbidden to consult them.

See post #48 for references.

[ColdNoMore]

Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Moderator

While it might not be popular with some, I believe this meets your guidelines and IMHO gets to the core of the issue regarding mediums/clairvoyants/soothsayers/Etc.


Gullibility | Definition of Gullibility by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullibility)

Definition of gullible

: easily duped or cheated selling overpriced souvenirs to gullible tourists

[graciegirl]

While it might not be popular with some, I believe this meets your guidelines and IMHO gets to the core of the issue regarding mediums/clairvoyants/soothsayers/Etc.


Gullibility | Definition of Gullibility by Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gullibility)

I don't think gullible is the descriptor I would use.

I think grieving might be the word that needs to be used and also to say that most of us who have been church goers do believe in the spirit and everlasting life.

There should be no blame placed on people missing their loved one in death, nor aspersion cast on them. Only skepticism and disbelief and criticism if a person would take advantage of the universal sadness of death for their profit.

I think THAT happens a lot and I look down on THAT.

[Taltarzac725]

Former Psychic Reveals Tricks of the Trade - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/psychic-reveals-tricks-trade/story?id=10590096)

This is an interesting article about tricks of the psychic trade.

[Barefoot]

Either:
A. These psychics are frauds who are in the game for fame and money, or
B. They are genuine Mediums, and Christians are forbidden to consult them.
I've been to Cassadaga; and I'm skeptical that a whole town is full of genuine psychics and mediums.
I've known Suzanne Giesemann for years, and I can only speak knowledgeably about her.
Suzanne is a retired US Military Commander and her husband is a retired Submarine Captain. I highly doubt she is seeking fame and fortune.
She found she had abilities as a medium after she retired, as a result of her pregnant step-daughter being killed by lightening.
I am convinced that Suzanne is genuine; but in no way am I trying to convince anyone to change their belief system.

[tcxr750]

Go buy a OUIJI Board and then you can communicate directly with the spirit of your choice with no middleman.

[dewilson58]

Please return to the subject of mediums. Any further off topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks.

Moderator


I knew the Moderator was going to do this.

[Carl in Tampa]

I've been to Cassadaga; and I'm skeptical that a whole town is full of genuine psychics and mediums.
I've known Suzanne Giesemann for years, and I can only speak knowledgeably about her.
Suzanne is a retired US Military Commander and her husband is a retired Submarine Captain. I highly doubt she is seeking fame and fortune.
She found she had abilities as a medium after she retired, as a result of her pregnant step-daughter being killed by lightening.
I am convinced that Suzanne is genuine; but in no way am I trying to convince anyone to change their belief system.

From her web site:

"Due to the high number of requests I receive for readings, my waiting list currently has over 350 people with some who have been waiting over a year and a half. New people added to the list may likely have to wait up to two years.

The cost of a reading is $200."

Now, this $70,000 of potential income may not be "fortune," but it is not to be sniffed at since it is in addition to what she makes in personal appearances.

Then there are her "monthly webinars" at $25 per session, and who knows how many people are signed up.

Among her future bookings this year are:

Mediumship Class - Tacoma, WA $250 per person, 50 student limit. ($12,500)

Afterlife Communications Symposium (Workshop) - Phoenix, AZ $40 per person, limit 400 people. ($16,000)

Mediumship Class - Salt Lake City, UT $222 per person, 50 limit. ($11,100)

Adventures in Consciousness - Carbonville, CO - $25 per person, limit not given. (?)

That's about $100,000 (figuring that not every meeting fills up) plus the webinar income and income from the ten books she has written.

Of course this is "gravy" on top of the retirement income and benefits she receives as a Navy Commander, and her husband receives as a Navy Captain.

The meetings listed are just through the end of September 2017. She has bookings though November of 2018.

This is not an attack on the lady's entrepreneurship. It is to point out to Barefoot that the practice of being a Medium can be lucrative.

[manaboutown]

The medium business sounds like a winner to me - and I have yet to be struck by lightning!

Set your own schedule, no scholastic preparation/degree/certification required. Cash income. Where do I sign up?

[GeoGeo]

I would like to talk to a bunch of people who have been to a medium and see what they think. I watch that tv show that is on now.....can't think of the name of it.....Tyler is the guy's name and he reads famous Hollywood people. They act like there is no way he could have known the things he comes up with because they said it things that have never been published or they have never talked about to anyone. But if you haven't gone through it yourself, how you to say for sure if it is real or not. There are a lot of things we don't understand even though we have scientists, so maybe this is one of those things that could be real. And then again even if it is real there are always people who will pretend to be a medium just to get money. How many of you have been to a medium?

[biker1]

OK, so I was trained as a scientist so I will respond. Typically, if the results cannot be reproduced by others then there is a significant doubt. Also, without peer review, any results are suspect. I am not saying that new phenomenon cannot be discovered. It is just that the probability is remote without corroboration. As I stated before, there is a difference between faith and fact. Mediums fall into the category of faith. Scientists deal with facts.

I would like to talk to a bunch of people who have been to a medium and see what they think. I watch that tv show that is on now.....can't think of the name of it.....Tyler is the guy's name and he reads famous Hollywood people. They act like there is no way he could have known the things he comes up with because they said it things that have never been published or they have never talked about to anyone. But if you haven't gone through it yourself, how you to say for sure if it is real or not. There are a lot of things we don't understand even though we have scientists, so maybe this is one of those things that could be real. And then again even if it is real there are always people who will pretend to be a medium just to get money. How many of you have been to a medium?

[Allegiance]

OK, so I was trained as a scientist so I will respond. Typically, if the results cannot be reproduced by others then there is a significant doubt. Also, without peer review, any results are suspect. I am not saying that new phenomenon cannot be discovered. It is just that the probability is remote. As I stated before, there is a difference between faith and fact.In other words, those that believe are most likely tricking themselves into believing the absurd.

[biker1]

Probably. I choose that word carefully as I deal with probabilities because we don't know what new knowledge tomorrow will bring. However, if it brings them comfort then I don't see an issue - sort of like religion which is faith based (if case you are wondering I was raised Catholic). Just don't try to convince me without proof. But to someone who is hurting, what I, or anyone else thinks, doesn't really matter.

In other words, those that believe are most likely tricking themselves into believing the absurd.

[Allegiance]

Probably. I choose that word carefully as I deal with probabilities because we don't know what new knowledge tomorrow will bring. However, if it brings them comfort then I don't see an issue - sort of like religion which is faith based (if case you are wondering I was raised Catholic). Just don't try to convince me without proof. But to someone who is hurting, what I, or anyone else thinks, doesn't really matter.I logically will doubt other things the believers say as truthful.

[goodtimesintv]

The Word of God is clear on the sorcery, divination, fortune telling, mediums.

See this chapter in the Book of Acts:

Acts 16 NABRE - Chapter 16 - Paul in Lycaonia: Timothy. - Bible Gateway (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+16&version=NABRE)


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[graciegirl]

Probably. I choose that word carefully as I deal with probabilities because we don't know what new knowledge tomorrow will bring. However, if it brings them comfort then I don't see an issue - sort of like religion which is faith based (if case you are wondering I was raised Catholic). Just don't try to convince me without proof. But to someone who is hurting, what I, or anyone else thinks, doesn't really matter.

I very much agree with your scientific, yet caring take on this.

[Carl in Tampa]

In other words, those that believe are most likely tricking themselves into believing the absurd.

Penn & Teller, famous for their career as magicians or illusionists, are very impatient with "Mediums."

It is their view that Mediums are frauds who manipulate their audiences' emotions and vulnerabilities. This outrages them, and has led them to make several disclosures regarding how the fraud is perpetuated.

One of these disclosures was made on a Showtime special, whose title I cannot write on this message board due to the filter for gross language.

NOTE also that Penn uses a lot of gross expletives in the video. If you find this offensive, you might want to skip the video. However, Penn explains that he does this partly for legal purposes. He says that if he calls a Medium a "liar" he will probably end up in court, so instead he calls the Medium an obscene name, which we are given to understand means that the Medium is a liar.

The video contains some tape of one case where "pre-show" contact is made between the Medium and her small audience in which critical information is obtained that will be used in the show. In another, after making a series of wrong guesses, the Medium totally reverses course.

If you watch this tape you will understand the basic techniques of "cold readings" as well as "hot readings."

In one case a man who is reduced to tears during the "contact" with his mother, begins suspecting he has been deceived as he drives home from the meeting.

Watching this video is worth your time.

Penn & Teller Bull****! - (1-01) - Talking to the Dead on Vimeo (https://vimeo.com/185909801)

[Barefoot]

It is to point out to Barefoot that the practice of being a Medium can be lucrative.
I realize the practice of being a medium can be lucrative.
I just trashed an email from Casino Rama telling me that Theresa Caputa, the Long Island Medium, will be performing there.
I merely stated what I personally know about Suzanne Gisemann.
Most mediums are not evidenced-based mediums, Suzanne is, and that is why I believe she is genuine.
Carl, you believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want.
I said it before, and I'll say it again --
I am convinced that Suzanne is genuine; but in no way am I trying to convince anyone to change their belief system.

[pqrstar]

Carl in Tampa wrote
"The cost of a reading is $200."
"Now, this $70,000 of potential income may not be a fortune . . ."

From her website Suzanne Giesemann | Messenger of Hope (http://www.suzannegiesemann.com/) one can read all about her.

"EACH YEAR SUZANNE DONATES INCOME FROM HER READINGS TO CHARITY IN MEMORY OF HER STEP-DAUGHTER, SERGEANT SUSAN MARIE GIESEMANN "

[Carl in Tampa]

The title of this thread asks the question, " Can people really contact dead people's spirits?"

Penn & Teller, the professional magicians and illusionists, say No.

On youtube you can find their Showtime special in which they express this very forcibly. They use lots of obscenities to give emphasis to their position.

[Carl in Tampa]

Carl in Tampa wrote
"The cost of a reading is $200."
"Now, this $70,000 of potential income may not be a fortune . . ."

From her website Suzanne Giesemann | Messenger of Hope (http://www.suzannegiesemann.com/) one can read all about her.

"EACH YEAR SUZANNE DONATES INCOME FROM HER READINGS TO CHARITY IN MEMORY OF HER STEP-DAUGHTER, SERGEANT SUSAN MARIE GIESEMANN "

........... which does wonders to offset the taxes in the tax bracket which she (retired Navy Commander) and her husband (retired Navy Captain) find themselves.

It does not say ALL income from her readings.

You neglected the additional income from person appearances, monthly webinars, and the ten books she has published.

Again, I don't criticize her entrepreneurship, I'm just pointing out that being a Medium can be very lucrative.

[Allegiance]

I believe but cannot show any evidence that would convince anyone. However, there any many people who do swindle people out of their hard earned money by offering them false hope. The book I linked describes a lot of them and how the ghost hunters would expose them as frauds. Ghost Hunters, by Deborah Blum | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/ghost-hunters-by-deborah-blum-436893.html)It must be a great talent to tell the fraudulent mediums from the authentic ones. It is an even greater talent to choose the book that identifies the proper authorities than can do it.

The real fraudulent medium identifiers vs. The fake medium identifiers.

[Barefoot]

Carl in Tampa wrote
"The cost of a reading is $200."
"Now, this $70,000 of potential income may not be a fortune . . ."

From her website Suzanne Giesemann | Messenger of Hope (http://www.suzannegiesemann.com/) one can read all about her.

"EACH YEAR SUZANNE DONATES INCOME FROM HER READINGS TO CHARITY IN MEMORY OF HER STEP-DAUGHTER, SERGEANT SUSAN MARIE GIESEMANN "
As well, it's my understanding that Suzanne only does readings one morning a week.
I don't know how Carl has extrapolated that to be $70,000 per year.
Perhaps Carl knows the details of her schedule; I don't.

[Barefoot]

The title of this thread asks the question, " Can people really contact dead people's spirits?"
Penn & Teller, the professional magicians and illusionists, say No.


Suzanne Giesemann is an evidence-based medium. Penn & Teller are not, they are illusionists.

[Barefoot]

Again, I don't criticize her entrepreneurship, I'm just pointing out that being a Medium can be very lucrative.
By calling Suzanne an entrepreneur, you are implying that she is a clever fake, bilking people out of money.
She is the most honest and honorable person I know.
Enough said by me on this topic.

[Taltarzac725]

By calling Suzanne an entrepreneur, you are implying that she is a clever fake, bilking people out of money.
She is the most honest and honorable person I know.
Enough said by me on this topic.


Barefoot. She sounds like the real deal. I will probably never have any desire to talk to a medium. Have not yet and probably never will. But this lady sounds sincere and not someone just out to make a buck.

[golfing eagles]

It must be a great talent to tell the fraudulent mediums from the authentic ones. It is an even greater talent to choose the book that identifies the proper authorities than can do it.

The real fraudulent medium identifiers vs. The fake medium identifiers.

My first reaction is that it is extremely easy to tell the difference----there are no authentic mediums.

However, let me just throw a bizarre theory out here from left field. According to Stephen Hawking, "information" cannot be destroyed. Based on quantum mechanics, string theory and the mathematics of what happens at the event horizon of a singularity, he states that all information is recorded as a 2 dimensional "map" on the inside of a sphere that is the boundary of our universe. Every event, every person, every thought ever is recorded there. I have no idea how it is possible, but he has "proven" it mathematically, and his proof is accepted by other astrophysicists. Now, this "sphere" is located about 15-20 BILLION light years from the center of the universe, so you can't get there by golf cart. How it is recorded and how it can be read, I have no idea.

We just don't know much about how the universe works, but the nature of space-time suggests that even 20 billion light years can be just inches away. We also don't know much about how a human brain works. So.....what if there are some unique individuals who can somehow tap into that "encyclopedia" of knowledge? We might call them "psychics", "clairvoyants", or "mediums", but they just have a book that you don't. They could tell you things that they would have no way of knowing. Personally, I just want to know how the pyramids were built and who shot JFK.

Esoteric enough for everyone????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

My first reaction is that it is extremely easy to tell the difference----there are no authentic mediums.

However, let me just throw a bizarre theory out here from left field. According to Stephen Hawking, "information" cannot be destroyed. Based on quantum mechanics, string theory and the mathematics of what happens at the event horizon of a singularity, he states that all information is recorded as a 2 dimensional "map" on the inside of a sphere that is the boundary of our universe. Every event, every person, every thought ever is recorded there. I have no idea how it is possible, but he has "proven" it mathematically, and his proof is accepted by other astrophysicists. Now, this "sphere" is located about 15-20 BILLION light years from the center of the universe, so you can't get there by golf cart. How it is recorded and how it can be read, I have no idea.

We just don't know much about how the universe works, but the nature of space-time suggests that even 20 billion light years can be just inches away. We also don't know much about how a human brain works. So.....what if there are some unique individuals who can somehow tap into that "encyclopedia" of knowledge? We might call them "psychics", "clairvoyants", or "mediums", but they just have a book that you don't. They could tell you things that they would have no way of knowing. Personally, I just want to know how the pyramids were built and who shot JFK.

Esoteric enough for everyone????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So if a butterfly farts in the Villages it is recorded 20 billion light years away on the inside of this expanding sphere?

[golfing eagles]

So if a butterfly farts in the Villages it is recorded 20 billion light years away on the inside of this expanding sphere?

According to Hawking, and the physicists who agree with his proof---YES.
But the bigger question: Do butterflies fart?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Actually, your thoughts about a butterfly farting are recorded there as well

[John_W]

The easiest way to determine if the dead can see something has been studied numerous times. People dying on the operating room table and then being brought back to life. They often speak of seeing the light but real scientific studies have shown they haven't had that out-of-body experience they claim. Sometimes messages, words, playing cards have been put on the top of lockers, cabinets, etc and as far as I know, none of the dead out of body people have been able to say what was written or shown above. They say they can look down upon themselves as they lay dead on the table, but can't really prove it.

[graciegirl]

The easiest way to determine if the dead can see something has been studied numerous times. People dying on the operating room table and then being brought back to life. They often speak of seeing the light but real scientific studies have shown they haven't had that out-of-body experience they claim. Sometimes messages, words, playing cards have been put on the top of lockers, cabinets, etc and as far as I know, none of the dead out of body people have been able to say what was written or shown above. They say they can look down upon themselves as they lay dead on the table, but can't really prove it.

Establishing death is another issue. Close to death, heart stoppage, loss of reactions, lack of brain activity...all things that are often said to be death, aren't.

[golfing eagles]

Establishing death is another issue. Close to death, heart stoppage, loss of reactions, lack of brain activity...all things that are often said to be death, aren't.

Having brought back dozens, if not a hundred or so back to life, I'd say the only definitive definition of death is: You're dead and you stay dead.

BTW, most of those people told me they didn't remember anything, or they thought they just dozed off for a few minutes. But then again, they weren't really dead

[Taltarzac725]

Having brought back dozens, if not a hundred or so back to life, I'd say the only definitive definition of death is: You're dead and you stay dead.

BTW, most of those people told me they didn't remember anything, or they thought they just dozed off for a few minutes. But then again, they weren't really dead

My friend Tom Snow was dead for a few minutes but he did not remember anything. Or was scared to say.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I want more than just a medium who can channel the deceased. I am a mess and need the whole package, aura cleansing, chakra balancing, a karma reset, and I would like a couple of hexes removed, especially the one that makes me think I can still hit an 8 iron 155 yards. My wife thinks I also need a filter tune up. She wishes we could make my inner child shut up. She is particularly frustrated that it renders me incapable of containing my amusement when I see a bad toupee and is worried that I might have PTSD, Progressive Tourette Syndrome Disorder, but I say **** that noise. My cousin keeps trying to convince me that veganism would solve all my problems and she may be right but we are on a fixed income and have you seen the price of air fresheners? My wife just peeked over my shoulder and asked me why I am letting my inner child post stuff on a public forum so I guess I better get to stepping and try to find my center with a some three count breathing, stop sign visualization, and a little mantra affirmation thrown in for good measure.

[golfing eagles]

I want more than just a medium who can channel the deceased. I am a mess and need the whole package, aura cleansing, chakra balancing, a karma reset, and I would like a couple of hexes removed, especially the one that makes me think I can still hit an 8 iron 155 yards. My wife thinks I also need a filter tune up. She wishes we could make my inner child shut up. She is particularly frustrated that it renders me incapable of containing my amusement when I see a bad toupee and is worried that I might have PTSD, Progressive Tourette Syndrome Disorder, but I say **** that noise. My cousin keeps trying to convince me that veganism would solve all my problems and she may be right but we are on a fixed income and have you seen the price of air fresheners? My wife just peeked over my shoulder and asked me why I am letting my inner child post stuff on a public forum so I guess I better get to stepping and try to find my center with a some three count breathing, stop sign visualization, and a little mantra affirmation thrown in for good measure.

If you can't even hit an 8 iron 155, you need a golf pro, not a medium:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Rapscallion St Croix]

If you can't even hit an 8 iron 155, you need a golf pro, not a medium:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

If you can find a golf pro who can make me not be a 72 year old man with the knees of a 100 year old man, sign me up.

[golfing eagles]

If you can find a golf pro who can make me not be a 72 year old man with the knees of a 100 year old man, sign me up.

maybe a medium could find one........:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

maybe a medium could find one........:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Being someone who is about ten years younger, but has knees 10 years older than the poster you addressed, I don't think a 'medium' would work for me...I need a 'large.' :D


As for... If you can't even hit an 8 iron 155, you need a golf pro, not a medium..I would bet that 98%+ of golfers here (even us single digit ones)...cannot consistently hit an 8 iron 155 yards. :shrug:

In fact, here are the 'averages' for the pros.

http://golftips.golfweek.com/average-yards-per-club-pro-golfer-20585.html

...8-iron shots 150 to 170 yards;

My one and only (to date :D) hole-in-one was an 8 iron @ 161 yards (memorialized by a plaque from the course, due to a tournament)... but was also 15 years ago and was totally flushed and at the upper limit of that club. Even then my 'average' for that club was about 150 yards.

And yes, I realize there are those rare individuals that can hit a golf ball a long ways...all through the bag.

After all, how else could the old adage that "the woods are full of big hitters"... ever have come about? :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[Carl in Tampa]

As well, it's my understanding that Suzanne only does readings one morning a week.
I don't know how Carl has extrapolated that to be $70,000 per year.
Perhaps Carl knows the details of her schedule; I don't.

I didn't say $70,000 per year. I said that a waiting list of 350 people at $200 each was a potential income of $70,000. (She says that some have been waiting over a year and a half.)

I arrived at the $100,000 per year by adding up some of her scheduled events admission costs, and estimating the unknowable amounts that she gets from her monthly webinars, and her book profits.

In another post you resent me calling her an entrepreneur. That is not a term of disparagement. Look up the definition. "A person who organizes and operates a business or businesses, taking on greater than normal financial risks in order to do so."

Generally, Americans admire entrepreneurs, like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg.

But this is off topic. I only responded because you questioned my figures.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

My one and only (to date :D) hole-in-one was an 8 iron @ 161 yards (memorialized by a plaque from the course, due to a tournament)... but was also 15 years ago and was totally flushed and at the upper limit of that club. Even then my 'average' for that club was about 150 yards.

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I too had an event memorialized by a plaque attached to a tree on a course I used to play frequently in Germany.

It reads, "Rapscallion St Croix's putter died at the hands of its master on this tree on 7 July 1997." It doesn't really say RSC, but you get the picture. True story.

[ColdNoMore]

I too had an event memorialized by a plaque attached to a tree on a course I used to play frequently in Germany.

It reads, "Rapscallion St Croix's putter died at the hands of its master on this tree on 7 July 1997." It doesn't really say RSC, but you get the picture. True story.

Oh, I can certainly believe it.

Are you by any chance left-handed and did you play Strawberry Farms in Irvine, CA back in 2004 sometime? :D

The Ranger said it had been there a few days and each group through pretty much just took a photo of it...and left it as is. :1rotfl:

[Carl in Tampa]

Suzanne Giesemann is an evidence-based medium. Penn & Teller are not, they are illusionists.

Now, we are back on topic. "Can people really contact dead people's spirits?"

Yes, as I said, Penn & Teller are illusionists (magicians) who have been working the trade for about a half a century.

Among the things that they are familiar with are what is called in the illusion trade, "Mentalists." There is a very direct correlation between the acts of Mentalists and the demonstrations of Psychics. It is this correlation that appears to motivate Penn to condemn the Psychics who do not acknowledge that they are deceiving their audience.

I attempted once to post the link to Penn's video. It didn't work out because of objectionable words in the title. Let's try this:

Type the following into your browser with no spaces.

https://vimeo. com/18590 9801

It's educational.