A question for ex-military people.

[Dbinac]

if one is in a foxhole facing a determined enemy would you really care about one gender, sexual orientation, hair color, race or anything else other than that person's commitment to the mission and to his or her fellow soldiers?

[larbud]

if one is in a foxhole facing a determined enemy would you really care about one gender, sexual orientation, hair color, race or anything else other than that person's commitment to the mission and to his or her fellow soldiers?

Does it really matter that you're an idiot?

[MikeV]

The chances of being in a fox hole with anyone is remote at best. Wars are fought remotely. If you are in the infantry you are most likely in sand pit. [emoji6]


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[Taltarzac725]

Trump to reinstate US military ban on transgender people - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/26/politics/trump-military-transgender/index.html)

Must be about this.

I have met women who are lot more macho than I am and if they were carrying a machine gun would probably be as good as almost any man. And who cares if they had a sex change to get that way. I doubt if people who often have automatic weapons in the field have to be afraid of being raped unless they are on base and unarmed.

There are serious problems with sexual abuse by superiors but that is often more of a matter of control and abuse of authority. And these are usually male officers taking advantage of female enlisted.

[Wiotte]

Who was paying for the drugs needed to keep them, copacetic ?


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[cologal]

Does it really matter that you're an idiot?

Upon further review.....

It appears the Army pays more for viagra than for transgender health care.

How much transgender troops' medical care costs the military - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.e07ab77dfd54)

I wonder how much of that is for retiree's and over the generals?

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE.

BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS WITH THE TAX ON WEED HALF A BILLION DOLLARS TO DATE!!!

[Allegiance]

Upon further review.....

It appears the Army pays more for viagra than for transgender health care.

How much transgender troops' medical care costs the military - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/?utm_term=.e07ab77dfd54)

I wonder how much of that is for retiree's and over the generals?

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE.

BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS WITH THE TAX ON WEED HALF A BILLION DOLLARS TO DATE!!!Liberal logic at work, keep on toking

[rubicon]

the introduction of openly gay military personnel and females cohabiting with male personnel has decimated the military, especially in those area defined as close quarters.

I have talked to guys who had intended to make a career of the military walk because of Obama's social lab experiment. today I would not enter the military nor if younger the Boy Scouts of American and neither would I encourage any of my male children or relatives.

We had gay guys in our barracks that we all knew were gay and guys would not shower in their presence. finally they were thrown out and you could feel the relief throughout the barracks.

of course we know the left will use Hollywood to distort the truth.

Personal Best Regards:

[cologal]

Liberal logic at work, keep on toking

As usual AL you are wrong!!! I voted against the measure to make weed legal!
I did that because I didn't trust the money would be spent on the schools.

I was wrong, the weed tax is working for the schools!

COPUFF out west in the MILE HIGH STATE but I am currently at roughly 6800 ft above sea level. 86 degrees and thunderstorms coming over the mountains!

[Allegiance]

I was right on correct about liberal logic

[Allegiance]

As usual AL you are wrong!!! I voted against the measure to make weed legal!
I did that because I didn't trust the money would be spent on the schools.

I was wrong, the weed tax is working for the schools!

COPUFF out west in the MILE HIGH STATE but I am currently at roughly 6800 ft above sea level. 86 degrees and thunderstorms coming over the mountains!So you vote in two states and get the homestead in Florida? High curious minds want to know.

[cologal]

the introduction of openly gay military personnel and females cohabiting with male personnel has decimated the military, especially in those area defined as close quarters.

I have talked to guys who had intended to make a career of the military walk because of Obama's social lab experiment. today I would not enter the military nor if younger the Boy Scouts of American and neither would I encourage any of my male children or relatives.

We had gay guys in our barracks that we all knew were gay and guys would not shower in their presence. finally they were thrown out and you could feel the relief throughout the barracks.

of course we know the left will use Hollywood to distort the truth.

Personal Best Regards:

I think you might need to educate yourself on the subject of pedophiles! The men who prey on young boys are pedophiles....quite often married with kids of their own. One only need look to the Catholic Church who ran the biggest pedophile ring worldwide. They just arrested a cardinal one step away from the pope!

Perhaps the military is worn out from the longest war in the history of the nation. That's no Hollywood distortion.

COPUFF...in the Mile High State!

[cologal]

I was right on correct about liberal logic

Nope wrong again! Google Doug Bruce...

He is the reason we have legal weed here. He is in jail now I think. He was no liberal.

COPUFF.....

[cologal]

So you vote in two states and get the homestead in Florida? High curious minds want to know.

I knew you wouldn't look.

Douglas Bruce - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bruce)

I vote in Florida....nice try though!

[MDLNB]

if one is in a foxhole facing a determined enemy would you really care about one gender, sexual orientation, hair color, race or anything else other than that person's commitment to the mission and to his or her fellow soldiers?

What does this have to do with anything? It is obvious that YOU know absolutely nothing of the military.

There are reasons that many applicants are turned down for military service. One reason is their fitness and another is how much it will cost the government. The cost to the gov for transgenders is too high, and has too many downsides to warrant even entertaining the idea. There is a difference between gays in the military and transgenders, or better known as gender confused.

Come back and discuss this subject once you have an inkling of what REAL military members deal with every single day. Especially, those that have really been in combat and know how stressful survival can be.

[Allegiance]

A very high percentage of transgenders have attempted suicide. Several studies show over 40%. Overall mental problems even higher. That's someone you want in your foxhole?

[Don Baldwin]

A very high percentage of transgenders have attempted suicide. Several studies show over 40%. Overall mental problems even higher. That's someone you want in your foxhole?

BECAUSE they are so screwed up in the head that they THINK they're a different gender. NO different than thinking you're Napoleon. Devoid of reality. Insane. People who "think" they are another gender are literally insane.

[cologal]

What does this have to do with anything? It is obvious that YOU know absolutely nothing of the military.

There are reasons that many applicants are turned down for military service. One reason is their fitness and another is how much it will cost the government. The cost to the gov for transgenders is too high, and has too many downsides to warrant even entertaining the idea. There is a difference between gays in the military and transgenders, or better known as gender confused.

Come back and discuss this subject once you have an inkling of what REAL military members deal with every single day. Especially, those that have really been in combat and know how stressful survival can be.

The cost to the gov for transgenders is too high, and has too many downsides to warrant even entertaining the idea.

With this statement you have shown your ignorance on this subject.

Trump says it's too pricey to have transgender troops. Here's the truth (https://www.statnews.com/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-costs/)

The cost of transgender healthcare costs are 8.4 million
The cost of Viagara is 41.2 million
The cost of Cialis is 22.8 million

Given these figures your financial argument is a false flag.

As I have never been in a foxhole in a time of war I cannot make any comments those statements.

However, there is at least 1 transgendered member of the Navy Seals Team Six who served before his gender reassignment surgery.

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

[Allegiance]

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE! Fyi, Is not a cute signature.

Also, Costs are usually apportioned per patient when using even the most remedial logic.

[tcxr750]

It would be interesting to hear a response from someone currently in the military. I imagine that their attitude is different from those of us who served in the 60's and 70's.

[ColdNoMore]

I find it the height of scumsucking hypocrisy, that many of the same Christian fakes that hate others for what they are (whether it affects them or not), are strong supporters of a lowlife, lying gutter tramp like Trump...who exhibits the opposite of almost everything that Jesus stood for.

And this is simply because Chump has now put an 'R' in front of his name? :oops:

How do you even stand looking at yourself in the mirror? :ohdear:

[MDLNB]

The cost to the gov for transgenders is too high, and has too many downsides to warrant even entertaining the idea.

With this statement you have shown your ignorance on this subject.

Trump says it's too pricey to have transgender troops. Here's the truth (https://www.statnews.com/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-costs/)

The cost of transgender healthcare costs are 8.4 million
The cost of Viagara is 41.2 million
The cost of Cialis is 22.8 million

Given these figures your financial argument is a false flag.

As I have never been in a foxhole in a time of war I cannot make any comments those statements.

However, there is at least 1 transgendered member of the Navy Seals Team Six who served before his gender reassignment surgery.

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE!

The transgender Seal changed AFTER serving.

Yes, the cost is prohibitive, even with your loonie calculations that do not take into consideration the cost of operations, steroids or whatever they have to take when they have sex changes, not to mention the idea that they would use this as a basis for a VA disability and further cost to the taxpayer.

Besides, folks have been turned down for service that were flat footed, near sighted, and many other reasons that you would not think to be relevant to serving the country. There is no reason to suddenly make exceptions JUST to show how PC we are. Sorry, but our military members do not wish to worry about the mental stability of gender confused when they have enough problems with their other stressed out brothers in arms.

A gay soldier is totally different than a gender confused soldier. Besides, not all doctors consider being gender confused as a normal and healthy mental state.

[cologal]

The transgender Seal changed AFTER serving.

Yes, the cost is prohibitive, even with your loonie calculations that do not take into consideration the cost of operations, steroids or whatever they have to take when they have sex changes, not to mention the idea that they would use this as a basis for a VA disability and further cost to the taxpayer.

Besides, folks have been turned down for service that were flat footed, near sighted, and many other reasons that you would not think to be relevant to serving the country. There is no reason to suddenly make exceptions JUST to show how PC we are. Sorry, but our military members do not wish to worry about the mental stability of gender confused when they have enough problems with their other stressed out brothers in arms.

A gay soldier is totally different than a gender confused soldier. Besides, not all doctors consider being gender confused as a normal and healthy mental state.

Thanks for making my point! Yes the Navy Seal was male until he wasn't. Transgendered people have been in the military for years....

You didn't attack any numbers of mine those were the actual costs incurred by the military. Google it yourself.

The military pays 5 time more for Viagra each year than for transgendered health services.

As I clearly said before I will not debate the transgender issue. I personally have never been able to understand the condition.

COPUFF OUT WEST... GO BRONCOS!!

[Allegiance]

Thanks for making my point! Yes the Navy Seal was male until he wasn't. Transgendered people have been in the military for years....

You didn't attack any numbers of mine those were the actual costs incurred by the military. Google it yourself.

The military pays 5 time more for Viagra each year than for transgendered health services.

As I clearly said before I will not debate the transgender issue. I personally have never been able to understand the condition.

COPUFF OUT WEST... GO BRONCOS!!Again with the viagara comparison, do you get simple logic?

[Allegiance]

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE! Fyi, Is not a cute signature.

Also, Costs are usually apportioned per patient when using even the most remedial logic.Millions get viagara. Comparison is idiotic.

[cologal]

Again with the viagara comparison, do you get simple logic?

You made the argument that the military can't afford transgendered troops due to the high cost of their care. So I compared the high cost of erectile dysfunction drugs, for the most part, to a bunch of horney old retiree's. Had you googled the number's you would have found out most of the those drugs are not for the active troops.

Cost of transgendered drugs to cost of erectile dysfunction drugs!

Simple logic.... COPUFF

[MDLNB]

Thanks for making my point! Yes the Navy Seal was male until he wasn't. Transgendered people have been in the military for years....

You didn't attack any numbers of mine those were the actual costs incurred by the military. Google it yourself.

The military pays 5 time more for Viagra each year than for transgendered health services.

As I clearly said before I will not debate the transgender issue. I personally have never been able to understand the condition.

COPUFF OUT WEST... GO BRONCOS!!

B.S.

Even if it was true, Viagra is for normal people, not mental cases.

[Don Baldwin]

The transgender Seal changed AFTER serving.

Yes, the cost is prohibitive, even with your loonie calculations that do not take into consideration the cost of operations, steroids or whatever they have to take when they have sex changes, not to mention the idea that they would use this as a basis for a VA disability and further cost to the taxpayer.

Besides, folks have been turned down for service that were flat footed, near sighted, and many other reasons that you would not think to be relevant to serving the country. There is no reason to suddenly make exceptions JUST to show how PC we are. Sorry, but our military members do not wish to worry about the mental stability of gender confused when they have enough problems with their other stressed out brothers in arms.

A gay soldier is totally different than a gender confused soldier. Besides, not all doctors consider being gender confused as a normal and healthy mental state.

NO...they are NOT different. They are BOTH insanity. You BELIEVE something that isn't real...IS real. NO different than people who BELIEVE they are Napoleon or Jesus. ALL are insane.

Thanks for making my point! Yes the Navy Seal was male until he wasn't. Transgendered people have been in the military for years....

You didn't attack any numbers of mine those were the actual costs incurred by the military. Google it yourself.

The military pays 5 time more for Viagra each year than for transgendered health services.

As I clearly said before I will not debate the transgender issue. I personally have never been able to understand the condition.

COPUFF OUT WEST... GO BRONCOS!!

What is "transgendered" the new word for gay? We should call it insanity...what it is.

You made the argument that the military can't afford transgendered troops due to the high cost of their care. So I compared the high cost of erectile dysfunction drugs, for the most part, to a bunch of horney old retiree's. Had you googled the number's you would have found out most of the those drugs are not for the active troops.

Cost of transgendered drugs to cost of erectile dysfunction drugs!

Simple logic.... COPUFF

It's a disease...Viagra treats it. Just because YOU are all dried up with no desire...doesn't mean everyone else has no desire. If you hate sex...you're doing it wrong.

Let's stop giving people their statins or heart medicine too. Oe should we let YOU decide that too?

B.S.

Even if it was true, Viagra is for normal people, not mental cases.

Correct...treating a disease that prevents men from doing a normal thing.

Should we ban drugs that help people walk?

They hate sex because either nobody wants them because they've given up on their looks...or they've been doing it wrong.

I offered to teach CO Puffer...she won't take me up on it.

Women huh? Can't live with them...can't stop them from voting.

[Allegiance]

You made the argument that the military can't afford transgendered troops due to the high cost of their care. So I compared the high cost of erectile dysfunction drugs, for the most part, to a bunch of horney old retiree's. Had you googled the number's you would have found out most of the those drugs are not for the active troops.

Cost of transgendered drugs to cost of erectile dysfunction drugs!

Simple logic.... COPUFFDid you believe the presidential polls also?


Transgender Surgeries Would Cost Pentagon $1.3 Billion (http://freebeacon.com/issues/transgender-surgeries-would-cost-pentagon-1-3-billion/)

[cologal]

Did you believe the presidential polls also?


Transgender Surgeries Would Cost Pentagon $1.3 Billion (http://freebeacon.com/issues/transgender-surgeries-would-cost-pentagon-1-3-billion/)

Check your source that is a 10 year estimate....the ones I used were annual estimates.

COPUFF....

[wjboyer1]

70587

They put their lives on the line, they served, they did not get a deferment because of bone spurs in their foot while playing college baseball......

[rubicon]

I think you might need to educate yourself on the subject of pedophiles! The men who prey on young boys are pedophiles....quite often married with kids of their own. One only need look to the Catholic Church who ran the biggest pedophile ring worldwide. They just arrested a cardinal one step away from the pope!

Perhaps the military is worn out from the longest war in the history of the nation. That's no Hollywood distortion.

COPUFF...in the Mile High State!

my friend. do you suppose its military like if a soldier demanded the right to wear his red high heels while marching.

and because the military is worn out and because it is costing us so much more to recruit and retain and because I believe defending this nation is every man's obligation I believe Congress should reenact conscription. There are too many with no skin in the game and that is why a Kopernick (NFL) can and does defy the American flag.

Personal Best Regards:

[Don Baldwin]

my friend. do you suppose its military like if a soldier demanded the right to wear his red high heels while marching.

and because the military is worn out and because it is costing us so much more to recruit and retain and because I believe defending this nation is every man's obligation I believe Congress should reenact conscription. There are too many with no skin in the game and that is why a Kopernick (NFL) can and does defy the American flag.

Personal Best Regards:

Every MAN's obligation?

[MDLNB]

The problem is not whether the person is gay, but that of a person that is gender confused. A person that cannot accept what GOD or fate or nature or whatever gave them in life. I short person cannot enlist and a too tall person cannot enlist. Once a person with flat feet could not enlist, or a person with other seemingly small ailments. There are also minimum scores required on the written enlistment test that eliminates some that are physically capable to fight. The gender confused should NOT be given the right to serve in the military, just because they WANT to. The military is not a democracy. The military has enough to handle with those that have REAL honorable ailments such as PTSD and other combat related injuries. If the gender confused can't accept that, then that is their mental debilitation. There are limitations in every career, whether physical or mental. Why enlist those with medical and mental requirements when we have an abundance of warrior material that's healthy and willing.

[Don Baldwin]

The problem is not whether the person is gay, but that of a person that is gender confused. A person that cannot accept what GOD or fate or nature or whatever gave them in life. I short person cannot enlist and a too tall person cannot enlist. Once a person with flat feet could not enlist, or a person with other seemingly small ailments. There are also minimum scores required on the written enlistment test that eliminates some that are physically capable to fight. The gender confused should NOT be given the right to serve in the military, just because they WANT to. The military is not a democracy. The military has enough to handle with those that have REAL honorable ailments such as PTSD and other combat related injuries. If the gender confused can't accept that, then that is their mental debilitation. There are limitations in every career, whether physical or mental. Why enlist those with medical and mental requirements when we have an abundance of warrior material that's healthy and willing.

It's the same thing...a man thinking he's a woman is gender confused. Are you saying ONLY those who "aren't sure" are a problem? Once they make up their mind that they're really the opposite sex...fully insane...they're NOT a problem any more? THAT is when they ARE a problem. Completely insane. Same as claiming to be Napoleon or Jesus.

Trust me...those required scores are VERY low. So low a black can "pass". What do you think a black knows after "graduating" from a 90% black inner city school?

Not many any more...the standards have ALL been lowered...and lowered drastically...to allow women and minorities access. We have QUOTAS where those who didn't qualify get in over those who did and did better. The world isn't the place we grew up in. It's been dumbed down.

Who? White men? We're only 25% of the population now. We can't afford to send what's left off to be killed. Lower the standards again...ship off the inner city minorities. They don't contribute more than they take in anyway. Send the women...they want equality? They can live in a trench for a year like the men did. Women don't know what REAL work and hardship are.

[MDLNB]

It's the same thing...a man thinking he's a woman is gender confused. Are you saying ONLY those who "aren't sure" are a problem? Once they make up their mind that they're really the opposite sex...fully insane...they're NOT a problem any more? THAT is when they ARE a problem. Completely insane. Same as claiming to be Napoleon or Jesus.

Trust me...those required scores are VERY low. So low a black can "pass". What do you think a black knows after "graduating" from a 90% black inner city school?

Not many any more...the standards have ALL been lowered...and lowered drastically...to allow women and minorities access. We have QUOTAS where those who didn't qualify get in over those who did and did better. The world isn't the place we grew up in. It's been dumbed down.

Who? White men? We're only 25% of the population now. We can't afford to send what's left off to be killed. Lower the standards again...ship off the inner city minorities. They don't contribute more than they take in anyway. Send the women...they want equality? They can live in a trench for a year like the men did. Women don't know what REAL work and hardship are.

Don, this is not a "race" issue. It's about the mental stability and the cost of catering to a select group. Yes, I guess you are right about the fact that the military has lowered it's standards, but that is also the point. WHY should they? They do not need to. There are plenty of healthy, normal citizens that are willing to serve their country.

[Allegiance]

Check your source that is a 10 year estimate....the ones I used were annual estimates.

COPUFF....Annually 15 times higher than Obama’s numbers and it still is very conservative.

[cologal]

Annually 15 times higher than Obama’s numbers and it still is very conservative.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


We were talking about the cost of Viagra and other related drugs by retired military in comparison to the medical costs of transgender troops.

This topic has NOTHING to do with President Obama.


COPUFF OUT WEST.....GO BRONCOS!

[rjm1cc]

if one is in a foxhole facing a determined enemy would you really care about one gender, sexual orientation, hair color, race or anything else other than that person's commitment to the mission and to his or her fellow soldiers? If the person is qualified to fight the answer would be mostly no while we are in the fox hole. The problem is we have a lot of interactions where our society segregates the sexes. Seems like the choice would be 4 bathrooms, 4 sleeping quarters etc or just one for all. If we had a society with one for all I would see no problem, but that is not our society.

[cologal]

my friend. do you suppose its military like if a soldier demanded the right to wear his red high heels while marching.

and because the military is worn out and because it is costing us so much more to recruit and retain and because I believe defending this nation is every man's obligation I believe Congress should reenact conscription. There are too many with no skin in the game and that is why a Kopernick (NFL) can and does defy the American flag.

Personal Best Regards:

Thanks for your opening statement I got a chuckle from that vision!

I totally agree with your view on the current state of the military. The National Guard has been stretched to and at times beyond its limits.

I quickly learned how your vision of the military changes when my nephew was deployed to Iraq. Having skin in the game changed everything! He and his brother were deployed 6 different times to the Middle East.

If we continue to be engaged in the Middle East it certainly maybe time to bring back the draft!

Have a great day!

COPUFF..

[Don Baldwin]

If the person is qualified to fight the answer would be mostly no while we are in the fox hole. The problem is we have a lot of interactions where our society segregates the sexes. Seems like the choice would be 4 bathrooms, 4 sleeping quarters etc or just one for all. If we had a society with one for all I would see no problem, but that is not our society.

IF they are qualified? By who's standard? The new lowered standards that literally even a chimp can pass? Or the OLD standards that were actually standards not EVERYONE could pass? When the Ranger or Navy Seal "standard" is so low that women can pass...it's too low...WAY too low.

How about ONE bathroom...when it's vacant, you can use it. Men can p!ss outside...it's sterile, 30,000 dogs do it each day in the villages, and the plants like it.

Thanks for your opening statement I got a chuckle from that vision!

I totally agree with your view on the current state of the military. The National Guard has been stretched to and at times beyond its limits.

I quickly learned how your vision of the military changes when my nephew was deployed to Iraq. Having skin in the game changed everything! He and his brother were deployed 6 different times to the Middle East.

If we continue to be engaged in the Middle East it certainly maybe time to bring back the draft!

Have a great day!

COPUFF..

Why? So EVERYONE gets the "privilege" to "fight" in a "war" we shouldn't be fighting? Do the girls get drafted too? And NOT just into the cushy office/nursing jobs? Have all women units so at least it's just them to die from their inabilities instead of endangering the men too.

Generals don't like conscripts...they don't fight well and they're always trying to get away.

Soldiers come back so mentally destroyed because we've turned them into targets...victims...they're no longer soldiers...allowed to do whatever it takes to win. Now they're sitting ducks...with more rules and regulations to follow while in battle than you would believe.

It started with the Korean war...the politicizing, the political correctness of war...all the insane rules of engagement. It got worse with Vietnam and today it's downright crazy. They suffer PTSD because they're sent out as targets...practically helpless to a first strike.