Dog in Ricciardi's

[Chatbrat]

Thee has been some concern about a dog inside a stroller that was let into Ricciardo's
The only animals that should be allowed into restaurants are SERVICE ANIMALS--not Comfort or Therapy animals.

If this happens the owner should ask two ?'s:

1-what is your disability ?

2-how is your animal trained to help with your disability?

There are lots of scammers that sell phony registration & dog vests on line

[xcaligirl]

Yes, anyone can purchase a "service animal" vest, etc on line however the first question cannot be asked by ANYONE! There are way too many abusers which is unfortunate for people you truly have a service animal. How can a service animal do its job in a stroller? I saw one (could be the same one) at Market of Marion in a stroller and sleeping. Might be real but I have my doubts. Just like the 'service animals' in a grocery store who are on a longer leash and all over the place. I know a few service animals and know the training they have to go through... they do not run and jump while on duty. Something needs to be done with all the fake service animals! Just my opinion

[golfing eagles]

When I first read the title of this thread, I was afraid they added a new menu item.

[Taltarzac725]

Psychiatric Service Dogs (PSDs) | Service Dog Central (http://www.servicedogcentral.org/content/PSD)

This is an interesting site about service dogs. Frequently Asked Questions | Service Dog Central (http://servicedogcentral.org/content/faq)

[graciegirl]

Thee has been some concern about a dog inside a stroller that was let into Ricciardo's
The only animals that should be allowed into restaurants are SERVICE ANIMALS--not Comfort or Therapy animals.

If this happens the owner should ask two ?'s:

1-what is your disability ?

2-how is your animal trained to help with your disability?

There are lots of scammers that sell phony registration & dog vests on line

I don't believe people really NEED to have comfort animals accompany them. I think it is their way of throwing their weight around and showing off on airplanes and places that usually don't see or encourage animals to accompany their humans..

I don't think dogs are dirty and I am not offended by them. I like them a lot, but I don't like people pushing the envelope of what is usually socially accepted for all.

Our kitty would NEVER accompany us to a restaurant in a stroller, on a leash or in my arms. He just has so much class that Mikey. He goes where he is IN CHARGE, only.

[Chatbrat]

Claiming a Comfort dog is a service dog is a federal crime when the dogs owner trys to gain access when using the ADA, guidelines as a basis--Again a comfort dog is not a service dog,a therapy dog is not a service dog

[graciegirl]

Claiming a Comfort dog is a service dog is a federal crime when the dogs owner trys to gain access when using the ADA, guidelines as a basis--Again a comfort dog is not a service dog,a therapy dog is not a service dog

You are right, but think of an expensive lawsuit brought to a person without a corporate lawyer to defend. I can understand why independent businesses do not challenge this.

[golfing eagles]

You are right, but think of an expensive lawsuit brought to a person without a corporate lawyer to defend. I can understand why independent businesses do not challenge this.

I agree 100% with GG. Just think of the 8 year nightmare an ADA lawsuit against the LLC has caused. I think there should be a law against abusing the law!!!!

[Jayhawk]

Ricciardi's responded and explained in a letter to the editor of the other un-named website.

[Taltarzac725]

Ricciardi's responded and explained in a letter to the editor of the other un-named website.

Thanks for that information.

[bagboy]

Ricciardi's responded and explained in a letter to the editor of the other un-named website.

I think Ricciardi's explained the situation very well in their letter and did what was required of them legally.

[Mrs. Robinson]

You are right, but think of an expensive lawsuit brought to a person without a corporate lawyer to defend. I can understand why independent businesses do not challenge this.

It is against the law for someone from a place of business to ask or say anything about the dog, regarding someone with a service dog.

BUT . . . there is nothing stopping you (the public) from saying something!

[Chatbrat]

IMHO--Riccardis was scammed--they most likely, they didn't know what a real"SERVICE" dog is and only. "SERVICE" dogs are covered by the ADA

[karostay]

It's unfortunate that ADA laws that help serve people with such needs also shield the ones with less than honest intentions .

[Chatbrat]

Another part of phony documentation is "a renewal date"--this way, the people selling false documentation are guaranteed an income stream

[graciegirl]

I think Ricciardi's explained the situation very well in their letter and did what was required of them legally.

I agree.

You can't fight city hall. OR the ADA which I think has gotten too big for it's britches.

Here is the body of the letter; "The animal in question was a permitted Service Animal and the owner did present management with proper documentation. I feel that your posting of the letter without any additional information (ADA laws, Ricciardi’s policy on service animals, etc.) was unfair and irresponsible. The ADA law is clear that we must accommodate guests with special needs without judgement.*
Ricciardi’s policy on service animals: We do not discriminate against guests with service animals (this includes the vision impaired, psychiatric purposes, and PTSD service dogs). Once the owner provides us with the proper documentation, we must accommodate them as any other customer without judgement. We do not allow the service dogs to eat. If we see this happen, we immediately intervene. Service dogs are not allowed on the table. They must remain on the floor or in their carriers (including strollers) at all times."

[Taltarzac725]

I agree.

You can't fight city hall. OR the ADA which I think has gotten too big for it's britches.

Here is the body of the letter; "The animal in question was a permitted Service Animal and the owner did present management with proper documentation. I feel that your posting of the letter without any additional information (ADA laws, Ricciardi’s policy on service animals, etc.) was unfair and irresponsible. The ADA law is clear that we must accommodate guests with special needs without judgement.*
Ricciardi’s policy on service animals: We do not discriminate against guests with service animals (this includes the vision impaired, psychiatric purposes, and PTSD service dogs). Once the owner provides us with the proper documentation, we must accommodate them as any other customer without judgement. We do not allow the service dogs to eat. If we see this happen, we immediately intervene. Service dogs are not allowed on the table. They must remain on the floor or in their carriers (including strollers) at all times."

I am curious? Does this mean the dog is outside on the porch? It would seem to be that the business would be allowed reasonable accommodation. It would pose a health code violation if the dog lost control of its bowels or bladder inside.

[leftyf]

I don't like dogs in any restaurant or grocery section of any store. I saw a large dog in Walmart a couple of days ago and it had no ID of it being any kind of service dog. I asked an employee, "If I ere to come in here with a pig on a leash, would any Walmart employee question me"? She just said, "We are not allowed to".

It is not the store or the restaurants fault, it is the fault of our court system.

[Bonny]

I am curious? Does this mean the dog is outside on the porch? It would seem to be that the business would be allowed reasonable accommodation. It would pose a health code violation if the dog lost control of its bowels or bladder inside.
If it was a seeing eye dog, would the blind person have to eat outside on the porch?

[Taltarzac725]

If it was a seeing eye dog, would the blind person have to eat outside on the porch?

I am trying to remember if I have seen seeing eye dogs inside of restaurants and the answer is yes I have. Frequently Asked Questions about Service Animals and the ADA (https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html)

But the dog or other animal must be house broken.

A. The ADA does not require covered entities to modify policies, practices, or procedures if it would “fundamentally alter” the nature of the goods, services, programs, or activities provided to the public. Nor does it overrule legitimate safety requirements. If admitting service animals would fundamentally alter the nature of a service or program, service animals may be prohibited. In addition, if a particular service animal is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it, or if it is not housebroken, that animal may be excluded.

[graciegirl]

I have lived long enough to see that common sense is nearly dead. We are so afraid of doing something "politically incorrect" that we make utter fools of ourselves and throw the baby out with the bath water.

[DeanFL]

I don't like dogs in any restaurant or grocery section of any store. I saw a large dog in Walmart a couple of days ago and it had no ID of it being any kind of service dog. I asked an employee, "If I ere to come in here with a pig on a leash, would any Walmart employee question me"? She just said, "We are not allowed to".

It is not the store or the restaurants fault, it is the fault of our court system.


Funny you should mention this. We were in Orlando airport a couple weeks ago. Walking from the gate to the tram in the Southwest Air terminal. Walking right past us going towards the gates was a couple holding a leash - with a PIG walking behind them. The portly pig had to be 35+ pounds.
Have no idea...a Service pig? really...

[Taltarzac725]

Funny you should mention this. We were in Orlando airport a couple weeks ago. Walking from the gate to the tram in the Southwest Air terminal. Walking right past us going towards the gates was a couple holding a leash - with a PIG walking behind them. The portly pig had to be 35+ pounds.
Have no idea...a Service pig? really...

I have seen these too but it has been a while.

[Chatbrat]

better believe a lot of terrorists won't get too close to the pig

[justjim]

IMHO--Riccardis was scammed--they most likely, they didn't know what a real"SERVICE" dog is and only. "SERVICE" dogs are covered by the ADA

There needs to be a "Service dog" tag or another clearly visual item issued by the COUNTY that the dog is a true certified service dog. It would be up to the dog owner to provide proof to the county that his/her dog has been trained as a SERVICE DOG. This will take the pressure off the restaurant owners and go a long way in preventing unnecessary confrontations. This is in part why we pay taxes----so our governments should do this job. This issue has been ignored long enough by our Leaders.

[Buckeyephan]

According to the letter from yesterday, the dog ate at the table with the owners on a plate they brought. Disgusting! I would resent eating at a table used by a dog. Have you ever watched tables being "cleaned" at a restaurant? The letter from the restaurant said service animals don't eat. Appears not to be truthful.

[Chatbrat]

by doing this, its obvious- the dog was not a service dog

[Henryk]

I am trying to remember if I have seen seeing eye dogs inside of restaurants and the answer is yes I have. Frequently Asked Questions about Service Animals and the ADA (https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html)

But the dog or other animal must be house broken.

Must the owner be housebroken too?

[graciegirl]

According to the letter from yesterday, the dog ate at the table with the owners on a plate they brought. Disgusting! I would resent eating at a table used by a dog. Have you ever watched tables being "cleaned" at a restaurant? The letter from the restaurant said service animals don't eat. Appears not to be truthful.

What letter? The letter I copied from Ricciardi's appears to say that eating at table was not allowed. I will print it again.

[graciegirl]

I agree.

You can't fight city hall. OR the ADA which I think has gotten too big for it's britches.

Here is the body of the letter; "The animal in question was a permitted Service Animal and the owner did present management with proper documentation. I feel that your posting of the letter without any additional information (ADA laws, Ricciardi’s policy on service animals, etc.) was unfair and irresponsible. The ADA law is clear that we must accommodate guests with special needs without judgement.*
Ricciardi’s policy on service animals: We do not discriminate against guests with service animals (this includes the vision impaired, psychiatric purposes, and PTSD service dogs). Once the owner provides us with the proper documentation, we must accommodate them as any other customer without judgement. We do not allow the service dogs to eat. If we see this happen, we immediately intervene. Service dogs are not allowed on the table. They must remain on the floor or in their carriers (including strollers) at all times."

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[Buckeyephan]

The letter the restaurant was referring to was online yesterday. Joe Liguori from Ricciardi's said the posting of the letter without more information was unfair and irresponsible. I say he is the guilty one since he is not enforcing health rules to protect his guests.

[graciegirl]

The letter the restaurant was referring to was online yesterday. Joe Liguori from Ricciardi's said the posting of the letter without more information was unfair and irresponsible. I say he is the guilty one since he is not enforcing health rules to protect his guests.

I say he is over a barrel. We all know what happened to the Lifelong Learning College.

[golfing eagles]

better believe a lot of terrorists won't get too close to the pig

Now that is a GREAT idea. Put a pig in the middle seat of both sides of each row. I'd start with Iran Air.

[Bonied]

What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

[Rapscallion St Croix]

What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

Congress has prioritized, and your rights fall below those of anyone with the audacity to claim that their pet is a service dog.

[npwalters]

Dogs in a restaurant - service/comfort/or just a dog - is fine by me. I like most dogs more than I like most people.

[graciegirl]

Dogs in a restaurant - service/comfort/or just a dog - is fine by me. I like most dogs more than I like most people.

There is a lot to be said for your view.

[Sandtrap328]

What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

Yes, you would have to leave if it bothered you. To deny persons with disabilities their right to have an actual service animal with them would be discriminatory. Notice that I said ACTUAL and not just having Fluffy as a dinner companion.

No, the dog cannot eat at the restaurant nor sit on the chair but must remain on the floor. True service dogs are trained like that.

[Mrs. Robinson]

What about my rights I am allergic to cats and dogs,I would have to leave the restaurant or suffer with extreme itchy eyes and cold like symptoms with cat and breathing problems with dogs

You have no rights when it comes to a bonafide service dog.
The service dog's ability to be anywhere supersedes any right you think you may have.
Unless the dog was sitting very close you, I doubt you would be bothered.

[Wiotte]

I don't like dogs in any restaurant or grocery section of any store. I saw a large dog in Walmart a couple of days ago and it had no ID of it being any kind of service dog. I asked an employee, "If I ere to come in here with a pig on a leash, would any Walmart employee question me"? She just said, "We are not allowed to".

It is not the store or the restaurants fault, it is the fault of our court system.



I think we saw the same dog. A golden retriever led by a man (looking as if he were smirking) and a woman with him. Another entitled idiot. I can not imagine how or by what kind of parents this man was raised by.


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[l2ridehd]

And just what kind of service dog is in a stroller? What is their service specialty? Comfort dogs don't qualify as service dogs. IMHO the stroller is a dead give away that this was a scam.

[Bonny]

I think we saw the same dog. A golden retriever led by a man (looking as if he were smirking) and a woman with him. Another entitled idiot. I can not imagine how or by what kind of parents this man was raised by.


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What makes you think he was smirking? Maybe that's just the way he looks or maybe just smiling.

[graciegirl]

What makes you think he was smirking? Maybe that's just the way he looks or maybe just smiling.

It is my experience that Goldens frequently look like they are smirking. One of the reasons I love them. They are goofy guys.

[raynan]

I don't think a golden retriever would be in a stroller.

[Wiotte]

I don't think a golden retriever would be in a stroller.

If you read the entire thread you'd realize that the dog was not in a stroller. Yes, it was a golden retriever led my the smirking man. :pepper2:

[Wiotte]

What makes you think he was smirking? Maybe that's just the way he looks or maybe just smiling.

Ok, he looked like a smiling smirking idiot. Anyone walking a large dog through the food section of Walmart is an idiot.:spoken:

[Bonny]

Ok, he looked like a smiling smirking idiot. Anyone walking a large dog through the food section of Walmart is an idiot.:spoken:
Well then I guess you have spoken. ;)

[DonH57]

I don't think a golden retriever would be in a stroller.

That would have to be a good size stroller!

[DonH57]

Our lab often smirks at humans after he's had a few too many at City Fire or Margarita Republic!

[rubicon]

One of my employees was blind and required a service dog. This animal was so well disciplined that no one ever saw the animal except for when the employee entered or left the building. The animal remained under her desk .

Service animals are and must be disciplined for obvious reasons and this employee was strict about her dog's habits and people not become too familiar.

With the exception of truly bona fide service dogs I do not believe animals ought to be allowed in any stores let alone restaurants.

[Chatbrat]

if I see one of these "comfort" and or " therapy" dogs in a restaurant I will call the authorities--go on line and check out all the phony credentials that are for sale

[Boomer]

Our lab often smirks at humans after he's had a few too many at City Fire or Margarita Republic!

Yeah, so......but when he hits on the cute poodle on the barstool next to him, is he at least gentlemanly about that?

[bilcon]

I was in Bed Bath and Beyond a few weeks ago, and a big dog took a "dump" right on the floor. It's time to stop the madness. I will not eat in any restaurant or shop in any store that allows animals, with the exception of true Service Dogs. I was on a Southwest flight a few months ago and had to sit next to a woman with a filthy smelly dog on her lap. Disgusting! I was told, if I didn't like it, I could take another flight. The only thing wrong with this woman was that she and the dog both needed a bath. PS I really do love dogs...I just dislike liars.

[Bowtorc]

Way too much concern. I have seen dogs that have better table manners than some people or the people with screaming or loud children and do nothing about it for the entire time . I love kids but the ones with no manners have no place in a restaurant . Just one of my favorite gripes. GIVE ME THE DOG!

[Bonny]

Way too much concern. I have seen dogs that have better table manners than some people or the people with screaming or loud children and do nothing about it for the entire time . I love kids but the ones with no manners have no place in a restaurant . Just one of my favorite gripes. GIVE ME THE DOG!
Yep, no problems here. Way too many other important things to worry about.
I always say, don't like it, go somewhere else.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Yesterday, a guy left his little yappy mutt in a cart at the driving range. The dog had a high pitched bark which it sent out in sets of four or five or six. It would then take a breath and send out another batch. I tried to time my swing to coincide with the taking a breath part of the routine but the dog kept mixing up his count. I couldn't bear it so abandoned the rest of my range balls and jumped in my cart. I headed to Ricciardi's hoping that any dogs eating there would be too preoccupied with their strombolis to bark.

[autumnspring]

I have lived long enough to see that common sense is nearly dead. We are so afraid of doing something "politically incorrect" that we make utter fools of ourselves and throw the baby out with the bath water.

I make fun of most things including myself,
GLOBAL WARMING-when I was akid the snow was up to my waist. Probably it is so BUT YOU WERE THREE FEET TALL AT THE TIME.
PEOPLE USED TO NOT LITTER-I recall my parents and grandparents scolding us for littering. I have recently had 16mm films that my uncle had shot transferred to DVD.
We never had a 16mm projector so had never seen them.
You could see the trash blowing around-as a kid I never saw it.
TOLERANCE FOR THE MEMEMEME PEOPLE-I wonder if there are more of them or like my old movies, I am more aware of it and less tollerant.

Read most of these threads and you will see them-do they see themselves-IT DOES NOT SEEM SO.

[village dreamer]

how about when they feed the dog off a plate and let it lick it clean.

[Bonny]

how about when they feed the dog off a plate and let it lick it clean.
That's the best way. Then just put it back in the cabinet. Saves water. ;) :pepper2:

[BogeyBoy]

:BigApplause:

I have lived long enough to see that common sense is nearly dead. We are so afraid of doing something "politically incorrect" that we make utter fools of ourselves and throw the baby out with the bath water.

[BogeyBoy]

So can a concerned customer call the police/sheriff and request they come and verify the authenticity of the service animal? Will they/can they question the owner more thoroughly than the restaurant owner is allowed?

Can you pet a service dog? I have always had the impression you should leave them alone, they are working. So ask the owner if you can pet the dog, if they say yes you have a big clue.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

So can a concerned customer call the police/sheriff and request they come and verify the authenticity of the service animal? Will they/can they question the owner more thoroughly than the restaurant owner is allowed?

Can you pet a service dog? I have always had the impression you should leave them alone, they are working. So ask the owner if you can pet the dog, if they say yes you have a big clue.

...

[BogeyBoy]

From the ADA website Q and A section:

Q31: Are stores required to allow service animals to be placed in a shopping cart?

A: Generally, the dog must stay on the floor, or the person must carry the dog. For example, if a person with diabetes has a glucose alert dog, he may carry the dog in a chest pack so it can be close to his face to allow the dog to smell his breath to alert him of a change in glucose levels.


Q32: Are restaurants, bars, and other places that serve food or drink required to allow service animals to be seated on chairs or allow the animal to be fed at the table?


A: No. Seating, food, and drink are provided for customer use only. The ADA gives a person with a disability the right to be accompanied by his or her service animal, but covered entities are not required to allow an animal to sit or be fed at the table.

[Chatbrat]

if the dog eats @ a table "PHONY"

[DonH57]

Yeah, so......but when he hits on the cute poodle on the barstool next to him, is he at least gentlemanly about that?

Mostly but he hasn't caught on that female German Shepperds can be aggressive!

[Debfrommaine]

I'd rather have a dog in a baby stroller than a screamin' kid next to me in a baby stroller in a restaurant.

[Bowtorc]

Great responses Bonny. Love your attitude !!!

[Bowtorc]

Great attitude and sense of humor

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=BogeyBoy;1429359]So can a concerned customer call the police/sheriff and request they come and verify the authenticity of the service animal? QUOTE]

You can. Or you can get up and leave if you do not wish to eat there. You can pay for your meal or try to walk away from the check as a protest. This may cause the cops to come...OR you can call the police. You can protest to the waiter, to the manager, to the dog owner or to the dog. You can decide to not eat there again. You can ignore the pooch and continue eating and order another drink. You can talk loudly about dogs in a restaurant.

There are lots of possibilities.

[Sandtrap328]

So can a concerned customer call the police/sheriff and request they come and verify the authenticity of the service animal? Will they/can they question the owner more thoroughly than the restaurant owner is allowed?

BogeyBoy, why don't you call the Sheriff non-emergency number and ask if they would respond to such a call from a restaurant patron?

Report back to this forum exactly what they tell you.

Thanks.

Personally, if the dog was on the floor and behaving itself, I would take Gracie's advice and order another drink. But that's me.

[Viperguy]

I don't expect you would see this dog in a carriage.70615

[perrjojo]

I would find it odd to see a dog in a stroller eating at a restaurant but would it really bother me? No! Would I think the patron who brought the dog was a little strange and presumptuous? Yes.

[justjim]

The presence of the animal, in many cases, is therapeutic. NOBODY has the right to ask WHAT IS YOUR DISABILITY. It is, in fact, not your business to the original poster. My God. With all of the criminal activity in the WH, why is anyone devoting the energy to this topic?
Let sleeping dogs lie. They may be working. Here's hoping YOU never need one.

Just because you have a disability doesn't mean you have a true Service Dog. What a number of residents have observed is that there is no way (in many cases) to determine if the dog is a trained Service Dog. This privilege is for owners that have TRAINED SERVICE DOGS. The County or municipality should issue a service dog tag when the owner can provide proof of the dog being trained for the service it's providing. This could be issued along with the rabies tag. The restaurant manager many times is caught in the middle. Sometimes there are health concerns and that makes it everybody's business. :mmmm: