Cart death

[Harry Gilbert]

It has been reported on fox news that the Lady involved has passed

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[manaboutown]

How tragic! Southwest Florida business woman dies in tragic DUI golf cart accident - Fox 4 Now WFTX Fort Myers/Cape Coral (http://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/swfl-business-woman-dies-in-golf-cart-accident)

[graciegirl]

How tragic! Southwest Florida business woman dies in tragic DUI golf cart accident - Fox 4 Now WFTX Fort Myers/Cape Coral (http://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/swfl-business-woman-dies-in-golf-cart-accident)

I agree.

[Taltarzac725]

How tragic! Southwest Florida business woman dies in tragic DUI golf cart accident - Fox 4 Now WFTX Fort Myers/Cape Coral (http://www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/swfl-business-woman-dies-in-golf-cart-accident)

I wonder if she worked with my double cousin? I will have to look into that. This is a real sad story, however, for the family and community involved. My double cousin is a community leader in that area of Fort Myers/Cape Coral.

[VApeople]

A person who chooses to ride in a vehicle driven by a drunk person gets killed. I think I have heard this story before.

[PTY Sparky]

I believe this story was in today's USA Today.

[NECHFalcon68]

I had heard a week ago that she had passed away, but nothing was reported by either the local paper nor the other news site. I figured they were waiting for the driver to be further charged...

[patfla06]

What a tragic story.

[Chi-Town]

I believe this story was in today's USA Today.'Wedding crasher' bride dies after golf cart tumble (http://www.news-press.com/story/news/2017/07/27/wedding-crasher-bride-dies-golf-course-crash/515811001)

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[Carl in Tampa]

A person who chooses to ride in a vehicle driven by a drunk person gets killed. I think I have heard this story before.

The written story leaves a lot unexplained.

She went "out for drinks" with her sister.

Later she "fell out of a golf cart" operated by someone who her family didn't know.

Fill in the blanks. Did she get picked up by someone she didn't know and go off with him in his cart? He was charged with DUI. Was she similarly impaired? What caused her to fall out of the cart, his erratic driving or her inebriated condition? Or both? Could this accident have been prevented by having a seat belt for the passenger? (I believe in them.)

As one of the minority in The Villages (someone who doesn't drink) I often wonder why people can't simply drink in moderation and enjoy themselves? Why is there so much heavy drinking?

During my years as a uniformed deputy sheriff, I saw the devastating effects of alcohol both on the cruel streets and within individual homes, where families were destroyed.

The loss of this lady could have been avoided if she had not participated in reckless behavior. As VApeople said, "A person who chooses to ride in a vehicle driven by a drunk person gets killed."

This is most sad.

:sad:

[manaboutown]

One of her friends was quoted in the news report "Shelly was a stranger to nobody." This can be interpreted in many ways. IMHO she may have had a wild side, perhaps a reputation for engaging in somewhat risky behaviors with strangers...

[DonH57]

One of her friends was quoted in the news report "Shelly was a stranger to nobody." This can be interpreted in many ways. IMHO she may have had a wild side, perhaps a reputation for engaging in somewhat risky behaviors with strangers...

Her death is totally tragic. An unfortunate combination of possibly rushed poor decisions due to intoxication and influence. A few friends and I were discussing this incident as with other incidents involving golf carts Wednesday night and someone mentioned her passing. Despite whatever her decisions she may have made an irresponsible adult was behind the wheel of the golf cart and thought only about his self preservation. Prayers to her family and friends.

[Barefoot]

The written story leaves a lot unexplained.

She went "out for drinks" with her sister.

Later she "fell out of a golf cart" operated by someone who her family didn't know.

Fill in the blanks. Did she get picked up by someone she didn't know and go off with him in his cart? He was charged with DUI. Was she similarly impaired? What caused her to fall out of the cart, his erratic driving or her inebriated condition? Or both? Could this accident have been prevented by having a seat belt for the passenger? (I believe in them.)

As one of the minority in The Villages (someone who doesn't drink) I often wonder why people can't simply drink in moderation and enjoy themselves? Why is there so much heavy drinking?

During my years as a uniformed deputy sheriff, I saw the devastating effects of alcohol both on the cruel streets and within individual homes, where families were destroyed.

The loss of this lady could have been avoided if she had not participated in reckless behavior. As VApeople said, "A person who chooses to ride in a vehicle driven by a drunk person gets killed."

This is most sad.

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I really feel we have enough details for now.
Do we really need to know if this accident could have been prevented if she wore a seat belt?
Do we really need to know how long she had known him, or if she was also drinking?
The article said she fell out of his golf cart. He was driving and he dragged her to a median and left her there.
Supposedly he didn't call the cops because he'd spent the evening drinking and he didn't want to get in trouble.
I think he is now in a whole boatload of trouble.

[rubicon]

A person who chooses to ride in a vehicle driven by a drunk person gets killed. I think I have heard this story before.

We investigated an accident wherein a 20 year old kid went out with a 21 year old drinking, smoking dope all day. Literally about 10 minutes after telling friends he couldn't believe he was riding in a car with a drunk friend they hit a tree and the young lad resulting in making the lad a paraplegic. I attended that young man's deposition and can tell you I discovered tears streaming down my eyes listening to his tale

I don't drink and drive and in fact a glass of wine a meal time is about it for me. When we are out its always water with lemon

[golfing eagles]

One of her friends was quoted in the news report "Shelly was a stranger to nobody." This can be interpreted in many ways. IMHO she may have had a wild side, perhaps a reputation for engaging in somewhat risky behaviors with strangers...

Re-read your post but substitute the thread title "cart rape" for "cart death". I get your point, but it is dangerously close to prosecuting the victim. Are you a criminal defense attorney, since a statement like that might be heard when cross examining the victim?

[Topspinmo]

One of her friends was quoted in the news report "Shelly was a stranger to nobody." This can be interpreted in many ways. IMHO she may have had a wild side, perhaps a reputation for engaging in somewhat risky behaviors with strangers...

Let's see, recently married, goes out with sister, drinks too much, (who knows what was in the drinks?) leaves with person (man) she just meant too drunk to brace one self in golf cart with another drunk. Pretty irresponsible to me. But, this is where alcohol or drug problem can get you.

Bottom line no matter how educated, well off, or rich you are you can make stupid mistakes when inebriated. Just really sad!

[Gpsma]

Let's see, recently married, goes out with sister, drinks too much, (who knows what was in the drinks?) leaves with person (man) she just meant too drunk to brace one self in golf cart with another drunk. Pretty irresponsible to me. But, this is where alcohol or drug problem can get you.

Bottom line no matter how educated, well off, or rich you are you can make stupid mistakes when inebriated. Just really sad!

True, alcohol does make you lose judgement but, if you already have a "wild side" it will only make you worse.

Not blaming the victim but she certainly has some responsibility in her own death.

[graciegirl]

Her death is totally tragic. An unfortunate combination of possibly rushed poor decisions due to intoxication and influence. A few friends and I were discussing this incident as with other incidents involving golf carts Wednesday night and someone mentioned her passing. Despite whatever her decisions she may have made an irresponsible adult was behind the wheel of the golf cart and thought only about his self preservation. Prayers to her family and friends.

I agree with every word. I read her obituary and comments made by people who knew her. She was a usually responsible woman who worked every day and was visiting her parents from Ft. Myers.

Decent people don't drag someone to a flower bed and leave them there. Moments may have counted with her head injury.

Terribly wrong and sad in my view.

[golfing eagles]

True, alcohol does make you lose judgement but, if you already have a "wild side" it will only make you worse.

Not blaming the victim but she certainly has some responsibility in her own death.

As usual, we just don't know enough to pass judgement.

Define "wild side"----likes to drink?, life of the party?, takes silly risks?, promiscuous?

Define "drunk"-----.08?, .12?, .31?

However, I think we can all agree that dragging her out into the bushes constitutes, in my opinion, depraved indifference, and I hope they throw the book at the driver.

[manaboutown]

Re-read your post but substitute the thread title "cart rape" for "cart death". I get your point, but it is dangerously close to prosecuting the victim. Are you a criminal defense attorney, since a statement like that might be heard when cross examining the victim?

No, I was never involved in criminal defense or prosecution for that matter. The man's post accident acts of dragging her off the street and abandoning her were heinous and inhumane with total disregard for her life. I am just wondering whether the lady may have been a little negligent, inebriated and/or otherwise careless. Hadn't she had a long evening of drinking herself and voluntarily gotten into a golf cart to be driven by an inebriated man she had just met that night in a bar?

The outcome is tragic, sad and grievous, especially for her family.

[golfing eagles]

No, I was never involved in criminal defense or prosecution for that matter. The man's post accident acts of dragging her off the street and abandoning her were heinous and inhumane with total disregard for her life. I am just wondering whether the lady may have been a little negligent, inebriated and/or otherwise careless. Hadn't she had a long evening of drinking herself and voluntarily gotten into a golf cart to be driven by an inebriated strange man?

The outcome is tragic, sad and grievous, especially for her family.

I agree with you---if she never got in that cart she'd still be alive. My point was that we just don't know why she got in that cart or what her condition truly was. That, and my opinion that the driver is a SPOS.

[manaboutown]

I agree with you---if she never got in that cart she'd still be alive. My point was that we just don't know why she got in that cart or what her condition truly was. That, and the driver being a SPOS.

That's it in a nutshell.

[John_W]

Here again is an adult child living and partying in TV while the parents turn a blind eye. Just give him the keys to the golf cart, at least he won't kill himself or somebody else, is probably what they're thinking. Now, the parents will probably have to mortgage their home while they hire some Orlando lawyers to keep him out of prison. Someday Villagers with adult children will get the message. The Villages is not their playground while they try and get their life back together. If you see this guy out drinking call 911, he has allegedly caused the death of another person while driving a cart in TV intoxicated.

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[golfing eagles]

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[John_W]

Please be careful. A post like this one may be fraught with legal issues.

You're right, he's innocent until proven guilty. However, with his own comments of why he didn't call the police was because he had been drinking, I think it's safe to say he has enough of his own problems.

I also think back to an earlier thread where a poster said she was sure she had seen him earlier in the day drunk in the Traverse Publix, and I posted the phrase, 'See Something - Say Something', why didn't you call the police then?, and I got no response. We all have to take a hand in controlling our community, and this message board is a great place to start.

[golfing eagles]

You're right, he's innocent until proven guilty. However, with his own comments of why he didn't call the police was because he had been drinking, I think it's safe to say he has enough of his own problems.

I also think back to an earlier thread where a poster said she was sure she had seen him earlier in the day drunk in the Traverse Publix, and I posted the phrase, 'See Something - Say Something', why didn't you call the police then?, and I got no response. We all have to take a hand in controlling our community, and this message board is a great place to start.

I have no love for this guy, I already made my opinion known. I'm just looking out for you. On a public forum, phrases such as "In my opinion", "It is possible that...", "It has been reported", and "allegedly" go a long way toward self preservation.

[John_W]

I have no love for this guy, I already made my opinion known. I'm just looking out for you. On a public forum, phrases such as "In my opinion", "It is possible that...", "It has been reported", and "allegedly" go a long way toward self preservation.

OK Doc, I took your advice and added allegedly, so delete your copy of my post with the photo.

[golfing eagles]

OK Doc, I took your advice and added allegedly, so delete your copy of my post with the photo.

gone

[Jayhawk]

One of her friends was quoted in the news report "Shelly was a stranger to nobody." This can be interpreted in many ways. IMHO she may have had a wild side, perhaps a reputation for engaging in somewhat risky behaviors with strangers...

Lee County Sheriff's Office | Lee County, Florida | CrimeActivity | InmateDetail (http://www.sheriffleefl.org/main/index.php?r=crimeActivity/inmateDetail&id=416981)


Tragic all the way around for all involved.

[Fast Freddy]

One fact no one has commented upon is that TV has no close by trauma center. This is a total shame with such a large population and growing.
How does a quality center get established? Guess it needs a hospital for immediate potential surgeries? Or can a free standing trauma center contain a surgical suite equipped to handle most trauma emergencies?
Tradewinds land would be a good location for this much needed service.

[golfing eagles]

One fact no one has commented upon is that TV has no close by trauma center. This is a total shame with such a large population and growing.
How does a quality center get established? Guess it needs a hospital for immediate potential surgeries? Or can a free standing trauma center contain a surgical suite equipped to handle most trauma emergencies?
Tradewinds land would be a good location for this much needed service.

This is a much better question for DB, a retired hospital administrator. Generally you need at least one well qualified trauma surgeon. You may need an OR right off the ER, or at least close by. You probably need ER docs and some nurses who are certified in ATLS. And then, of course, you need to jump through the state's paperwork hoops and probably a CON

[Barefoot]

I agree with every word. I read her obituary and comments made by people who knew her. She was a usually responsible woman who worked every day and was visiting her parents from Ft. Myers.
Decent people don't drag someone to a flower bed and leave them there. Moments may have counted with her head injury.
Terribly wrong and sad in my view.

.... I think we can all agree that dragging her out into the bushes constitutes, in my opinion, depraved indifference, and I hope they throw the book at the driver.
:agree: Depraved indifference is a good phrase to use to describe his behavior.
According to the online newspaper, he admitted leaving her injured because he wanted to avoid getting into trouble!
A selfish act that led to her death. May God have mercy on his soul.

[dbussone]

This is a much better question for DB, a retired hospital administrator. Generally you need at least one well qualified trauma surgeon. You may need an OR right off the ER, or at least close by. You probably need ER docs and some nurses who are certified in ATLS. And then, of course, you need to jump through the state's paperwork hoops and probably a CON



In FL, as in many other states, there are specific requirements and differing levels of competency. All levels require an application that is reviewed/approved by the State.

In addition to some of the physical characteristics noted by GE, there are others that pose difficulty. Level 1 trauma centers are the most comprehensive. They are usually found in major teaching hospitals, with numerous specialty and subspecialty residencies and fellowships. Certain types of physicians must be in-house 24/7. E.g., anesthesia, general surgery, Orthopaedic surgery, trauma surgery, neurosurgery, internal medicine, and sometimes OB and cardiac surgery. To maintain such readiness is extremely costly, and usually requires a very close relationship with a medical school. And as GE noted various certification levels are also required.


I believe there are 5-6 designated level 1 centers in all of FL. Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Gainesville, and Jacksonville. Level 2 centers are not required to have as many in-house specialties or the breadth of facilities. However, these are also very expensive to operate.

Several years ago the state agreed to assist in funding the development of additional Level 3 centers. These are far less comprehensive than Level 1's. Ocala Regional and Monroe Regional both opened new centers during this period.

There are ongoing requirements for each level, and the State visits and assesses each center on a regular basis.

The Villages Regional Hospital lacks, IMO, required specialty and subspecialty physicians, as well as certain facilities and equipment. They also do not have a close relationship with a medical school.

If we were going to have a Level 3 center close by, it would be much more likely at Leesburg than at The Villages. Two reasons: Leesburg has a cardiac surgery program and OB. Why is OB important, you ask? If a pregnant woman is in an auto collision you want OBs involved in her care. The Villages can't do this.


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[Dan9871]

DB, in practice for areas that are not in a major metropolitan area, like central Florida, isn't the distance to a trauma center determined by a helicopter ride, not an ambulance ride?

Also Ocala Regional says on it's web page that it is a level 2 trauma center. That's not too far by helicopter standards, is it? I know when my wife stayed there for a while helicopters seemed to be landing quite often.

[dbussone]

DB, in practice for areas that are not in a major metropolitan area, like central Florida, isn't the distance to a trauma center determined by a helicopter ride, not an ambulance ride?

Also Ocala Regional says on it's web page that it is a level 2 trauma center. That's not too far by helicopter standards, is it? I know when my wife stayed there for a while helicopters seemed to be landing quite often.



Yes, to some extent. But ambulance times are usually considered also since they aren't as affected by bad weather to the extent air rides are.

And thanks for the pickup on Levels. My bad and you are correct. I should have said the state wanted to expand the number of Level 2 centers.


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[golfing eagles]

according to the article, she was dumped in the flower bed on the median on BV at 44. What was a golf cart doing in that location? No wonder he was spotted by witnesses

[manaboutown]

according to the article, she was dumped in the flower bed on the median on BV at 44. What was a golf cart doing in that location? No wonder he was spotted by witnesses

Thank God for the witnesses.

[John_W]

according to the article, she was dumped in the flower bed on the median on BV at 44. What was a golf cart doing in that location? No wonder he was spotted by witnesses

From Villages News July 28, 2017

The son of a Village of Gilchrist couple remains free on bond after the death of a woman he met during a night of drinking at City Fire. Timothy Jacob Foxworth, 36, is facing charges of driving under the influence and hit and run following his arrest July 16 by Wildwood police. He had been drinking with his father at City Fire at Brownwood Paddock Square where he met 51-year-old Shelly Osterhout of Fort Myers.

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Foxworth had been sipping on vodka and grapefruit when he told Osterhout he would take his father back to his home on Norwood Street. He said he would come back and continue drinking with her. Foxworth and his father got into the golf cart and the younger man returned a short time later. Shelly Osterout and Foxworth later left in the golf cart. He headed toward Buena Vista Boulevard and made a sharp U-turn. Osterhout fell from the golf cart. Foxworth dragged her body into a flower bed and fled the scene, according to an arrest report. He later told police he had panicked.

He claimed he had a change of heart and was returning to help Osterhout, but police pointed out he had been heading in the wrong direction for that to be true. Osterhout suffered injuries to her head and was transported as a trauma alert to Ocala Regional Medical Center where she later died of injuries suffered in the accident.

Services for Osterhout are being held at 10 a.m. Saturday, July 29 at Next Level Church in Fort Myers.

[Dan9871]

In case anyone is interested here is a list of trauma centers in Florida http://www.floridahealth.gov/licensing-and-regulation/trauma-system/_documents/traumacenterlisting20151.pdf

[graciegirl]

In case anyone is interested here is a list of trauma centers in Florida http://www.floridahealth.gov/licensing-and-regulation/trauma-system/_documents/traumacenterlisting20151.pdf

This does not appear to be the entire list, only those in Florida Health System??? Is it complete??? There are five levels with five probably being the more typical Emergency Room Setting with specialists not immediately available.

Usually, if a Trauma Center is needed, one would need special transporting. And before the moddies tell us to stay on topic...I SHOULD start a new thread.

There is a REASON that there aren't new Trauma Centers Opening . Those in business don't want to share business. Read this;

Four new trauma centers open in Florida, ending years of fights - Commentaries - Health - Health WMFE - Local News - 90.7 WMFE (http://www.wmfe.org/four-new-trauma-centers-open-in-florida-ending-years-of-fights/49153)

Apparently, Governor Scott who was in The Health Care business would like to see the laws changed and a more "free market" approach allowed on this. I hope this doesn't get political.

[Carl in Tampa]

However, I think we can all agree that dragging her out into the bushes constitutes, in my opinion, depraved indifference, and I hope they throw the book at the driver.

I harken again to my experience as a deputy sheriff, and recall a case where two men who had been stopped for a traffic offense, overpowered and severely beat a FHP Trooper.

They beat him so severely that he was unrecognizable to people who knew him. After beating him they dragged him to the shoulder of the road and drove off.

When the Trooper originally stopped the car he radioed in the license tag number. Accordingly, we had the address of the owner of the car. We, deputy sheriffs, apprehended the two men at the home of the owner. One man surrendered. The other fought and was shot in the leg. He continued to fight until overpowered by several deputies.

At trial, the Judge mitigated the charges and the sentence of the men citing the fact that they had dragged the Trooper to the shoulder of the road, out of the traffic lane of the highway.

So, you see, the fact that this cart driver dragged the injured lady into the flower bed might be cited by a defense attorney as an evidence of concern for her well being. He might also argue that his client, being impaired by alcohol, was not aware of how severely she was injured.

We live in a strange world.

[Barefoot]

WOW! She had a past DUI arrest in Lee County at 4:06 a.m. 02-02-2006 back when she was 39. I found it interesting her husband of 22 months is a Lee County deputy sheriff who she met on a free dating site, Plenty of Fish. She was the "wedding crasher" bride, too. It seems she liked to party late into the night. Florida wedding crasher bride killed in golf cart crash | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739842/Florida-wedding-crasher-bride-killed-golf-cart-crash.html)My mom always taught me not to speak ill of the dead.

[bagboy]

My mom always taught me not to speak ill of the dead.

That's a fact. I have a good mom also.

[NECHFalcon68]

WOW! She had a past DUI arrest in Lee County at 4:06 a.m. 02-02-2006 back when she was 39. I found it interesting her husband of 22 months is a Lee County deputy sheriff who she met on a free dating site, Plenty of Fish. She was the "wedding crasher" bride, too. It seems she liked to party late into the night. Florida wedding crasher bride killed in golf cart crash | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4739842/Florida-wedding-crasher-bride-killed-golf-cart-crash.html)

Her obituary does not mention being survived by a spouse....something happened...or the family doesnt recognize him...

[perrjojo]

My mom always taught me not to speak ill of the dead.
I agree. This makes me very sad. Just as it is easy to be a Monday Morning Quarter back, it is easy to dissect the life of someone we have never met?

[dbussone]

I harken again to my experience as a deputy sheriff, and recall a case where two men who had been stopped for a traffic offense, overpowered and severely beat a FHP Trooper.



They beat him so severely that he was unrecognizable to people who knew him. After beating him they dragged him to the shoulder of the road and drove off.



When the Trooper originally stopped the car he radioed in the license tag number. Accordingly, we had the address of the owner of the car. We, deputy sheriffs, apprehended the two men at the home of the owner. One man surrendered. The other fought and was shot in the leg. He continued to fight until overpowered by several deputies.



At trial, the Judge mitigated the charges and the sentence of the men citing the fact that they had dragged the Trooper to the shoulder of the road, out of the traffic lane of the highway.



So, you see, the fact that this cart driver dragged the injured lady into the flower bed might be cited by a defense attorney as an evidence of concern for her well being. He might also argue that his client, being impaired by alcohol, was not aware of how severely she was injured.



We live in a strange world.



Strange and pathetic at times.


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[dbussone]

This does not appear to be the entire list, only those in Florida Health System??? Is it complete??? There are five levels with five probably being the more typical Emergency Room Setting with specialists not immediately available.

Usually, if a Trauma Center is needed, one would need special transporting. And before the moddies tell us to stay on topic...I SHOULD start a new thread.

There is a REASON that there aren't new Trauma Centers Opening . Those in business don't want to share business. Read this;

Four new trauma centers open in Florida, ending years of fights - Commentaries - Health - Health WMFE - Local News - 90.7 WMFE (http://www.wmfe.org/four-new-trauma-centers-open-in-florida-ending-years-of-fights/49153)

Apparently, Governor Scott who was in The Health Care business would like to see the laws changed and a more "free market" approach allowed on this. I hope this doesn't get political.



GG - nationally, the College of Surgeons recognizes 4 levels. Since this a non-regulatory body it is up to the individual states to define their own systems.

Search this Site (https://www.facs.org/search?q=trauma%20level%20criteria&start=0&num=25&getfields=*)


I know there are level 3 trauma hospitals in FL, but it may be that only Levels 1&2 receive financial support from the State. Most hospitals prefer to receive blunt trauma cases (auto accidents) rather than penetrating trauma (knife & gun club members). The former tend to have insurance, the latter usually do not. This may be the reason why a financial support system was introduced by the State. This just my opinion and best guess. P.S., I've been on both sides of this discussion.

I've run a couple of Level 1 trauma centers. Many community hospitals will try to transfer knife and gun club victims to avoid the financial burden those patients can become. But that is a story for another thread.

And now back to GE for the physician side of this discussion. [emoji41]

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[graciegirl]

GG - nationally, the College of Surgeons recognizes 4 levels. Since this a non-regulatory body it is up to the individual states to define their own systems.

https://www.facs.org/~/media/files/quality%20programs/trauma/hospitallevels.ashx

I know there are level 3 trauma hospitals in FL, but it may be that only Levels 1&2 receive financial support from the State. Most hospitals prefer to receive blunt trauma cases (auto accidents) rather than penetrating trauma (knife & gun club members). The former tend to have insurance, the latter usually do not. This may be the reason why a financial support system was introduced by the State. This just my opinion and best guess.

I've run a couple of Level 1 trauma centers. Many community hospitals will try to transfer knife and gun club victims to avoid the financial burden those patients can become. But that is a story for another thread.


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I can see that there is a lot more to it than just waving a magic wand or passing a law. There usually are back stories that are involving political decisions and not too hidden agendas. Sometimes for good reasons. People and businesses and hospitals do have a right to get paid for their services. It may be why regular hospital services are so inflated in price, the need to cover all the free gun shot medical help?

Thank you for any information you can share. This is all quite interesting. I am probably in trouble for hi-jacking a thread. I should start another thread.

[dbussone]

I can see that there is a lot more to it than just waving a magic wand or passing a law. There usually are back stories that are involving political decisions and not too hidden agendas. Sometimes for good reasons. People and businesses and hospitals do have a right to get paid for their services. It may be why regular hospital services are so inflated in price, the need to cover all the free gun shot medical help?

Thank you for any information you can share. This is all quite interesting. I am probably in trouble for hi-jacking a thread. I should start another thread.



Then I am in trouble also since I responded to your post.

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