Torchlit Parades?

[Carl in Tampa]

We are seeing a new phase in the violent confrontations between political extremists.

Legitimate "Freedom of Speech" rallies are being infiltrated by groups of people who not only accept violence, but also seek it. As the press has reported in Charlottesville, the demonstrators were seen getting off of buses wearing helmets and body armor, and carrying weapons. They sought battle.

When the issues involve Black grievances, the legitimate groups find their ranks swelled by members of the anti-police group Black Lives Matter, an outgrowth of the violence of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

On the issue of preservation of Confederate artifacts, concerned guardians of history find themselves joined by uninvited White Supremacists, Nazis, and many in Ku Klux Klan regalia.

Over a long career in law enforcement, federal and local, I have been involved in surveillance, investigating, confronting, and interviewing these people. It has been my experience that many of these White people base their grievances on perceived inequities of affirmative action programs, but there have been notable cases where I have seen the fiery gleam of a madman in the eyes of the person being interviewed. You can see this same thing in photos of Charles Manson.

What I found most disturbing, and even frightening, was the images of the torchlit parade in Charlottesville last night that was hauntingly reminiscent of the marches of Hitler's Nazis in 1930s Germany.

We have seen KKK members parading around on the fringes of demonstrations in their ludicrous regalia for decades, waving the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (erroneously called the Confederate Flag, or the Stars and Bars.) We have seen neo-Nazis striving to get some press attention while wearing reproductions of Hitler's Brown Shirt uniforms and waving flags with swastikas.

But, a mass torchlight parade, in the style of 1930s Nazis, as we saw last night is something new, and must not be tolerated. I am horrified at how this movement seems to be catching on, and is attracting young people.


Carl in Tampa

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[Rockyrd]

We are seeing a new phase in the violent confrontations between political extremists.

Legitimate "Freedom of Speech" rallies are being infiltrated by groups of people who not only accept violence, but also seek it. As the press has reported in Charlottesville, the demonstrators were seen getting off of buses wearing helmets and body armor, and carrying weapons. They sought battle.

When the issues involve Black grievances, the legitimate groups find their ranks swelled by members of the anti-police group Black Lives Matter, an outgrowth of the violence of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

On the issue of preservation of Confederate artifacts, concerned guardians of history find themselves joined by uninvited White Supremacists, Nazis, and many in Ku Klux Klan regalia.

Over a long career in law enforcement, federal and local, I have been involved in surveillance, investigating, confronting, and interviewing these people. It has been my experience that many of these White people base their grievances on perceived inequities of affirmative action programs, but there have been notable cases where I have seen the fiery gleam of a madman in the eyes of the person being interviewed. You can see this same thing in photos of Charles Manson.

What I found most disturbing, and even frightening, was the images of the torchlit parade in Charlottesville last night that was hauntingly reminiscent of the marches of Hitler's Nazis in 1930s Germany.

We have seen KKK members parading around on the fringes of demonstrations in their ludicrous regalia for decades, waving the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (erroneously called the Confederate Flag, or the Stars and Bars.) We have seen neo-Nazis striving to get some press attention while wearing reproductions of Hitler's Brown Shirt uniforms and waving flags with swastikas.

But, a mass torchlight parade, in the style of 1930s Nazis, as we saw last night is something new, and must not be tolerated. I am horrified at how this movement seems to be catching on, and is attracting young people.


Carl in Tampa

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My limited experience is in Tampa and environs speaking to and trying to understand folks in the street. Most had grievances, legit or not.

This group that so many in this forum make excuses for are simply filled with hate. Their only grievance is that everyone does not have their skin color.

This is from their website today speaking of the woman who was killed...

"Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value.

Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work."

Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut – Daily Stormer (https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/)

Carl, you can lump all groups together should that make you feel better, you can say that torch light is an issue. These people had Nazi flags, chanted "we won, get over it", have proclaimed the President of the United States of America the "God emperor of the United States", killed a woman on purpose, celebrated that death, and if you do visit that website where the quote was, you will find other rage about the Police officers killed.

The young person driving told his mother he was going to a Trump rally. While checking the Daily Stormer website, I noticed that many if the most popular denigrating words used for anyone who opposes Trump are used quite often.

During the campaign, i and others "worried" about the rhetoric at thevTrump campaigns, and you mentioned 1930 rallies, did not the sight of our President leading young boys from the Boy Scouts chanting love for him, and hate for Clinton bring all that back.

I am shocked at the posters on here rationalizing this and making excuses. I am tired and saddened that our President is given a free pass.

A President is elected to lead, not lie and lead the hate. I am tired of those who need to find some words, saying the media is not reporting with supreme accuracy. If you speak of commentators opinions, what do you expect when commenting on a White House that has made no effort to unite, AND IN TOTAL FACT, made significant efforts to divide.

You use words well. You criticize others for understanding your little message. You speak of "guardians of history" who had their say when state lawmakers decided to place this statue in a museum. I honestly don't know what to believe about what you are saying. I detest these rallies in general from any cause. I do listen as to why the rally to determine the issue. These people, who you "seem" to equate to other groups are not the same. They are clear in their message. It is hate, no "affirmative action, no "police brutality". ....nothing but hate, and I am disappointed at you and other posters dancing around....NO LECTURE from you please....MY interpretation is "dancing around" and finding some justification for this (history, past rallies over the years, etc.) to find a way to simply call it what it is.

I, actually, and hopefully am correct as nightfall arrives, at restraint shown by those who oppose storm troopers in brown shirts with ZERO grievance, armed to the teeth, chanting hate.

We will see if the political rhetoric from our elected President changes. I suspect it will not. This is a man who spent THREE HOURS attacking news commentators just a few weeks ago because he was criticized. This weekend has been a revelation, not unexpected, but while most of the hard right folks on here find any reason to continue to support hate from our WH, I have given up. If he is accomplishing what you want.....troops in Venzuela was a shocker, and Carl...no lectures...I know what is going in in Venzuela and need no lectures. I simply believe words have consequences...especially from the President through the world, and one of the results of preaching hate and chants is what we saw this weekend, and they promise they are just starting.

There was NO confrontation between political extremists this weekend, and torchlight marches will stop when the rhetoric filled with accusations, never founded stops.

[ColdNoMore]

My limited experience is in Tampa and environs speaking to and trying to understand folks in the street. Most had grievances, legit or not.

This group that so many in this forum make excuses for are simply filled with hate. Their only grievance is that everyone does not have their skin color.

This is from their website today speaking of the woman who was killed...

"Despite feigned outrage by the media, most people are glad she is dead, as she is the definition of uselessness. A 32-year-old woman without children is a burden on society and has no value.

Due to female privilege, and the fact that they do virtually nothing their entire lives, women live an average of 5 years longer than men. The average female lifespan is 81 years. That means for 49 more years, this fat slob would have been leeching off of men’s work."

Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut – Daily Stormer (https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/)

Carl, you can lump all groups together should that make you feel better, you can say that torch light is an issue. These people had Nazi flags, chanted "we won, get over it", have proclaimed the President of the United States of America the "God emperor of the United States", killed a woman on purpose, celebrated that death, and if you do visit that website where the quote was, you will find other rage about the Police officers killed.

The young person driving told his mother he was going to a Trump rally. While checking the Daily Stormer website, I noticed that many if the most popular denigrating words used for anyone who opposes Trump are used quite often.

During the campaign, i and others "worried" about the rhetoric at thevTrump campaigns, and you mentioned 1930 rallies, did not the sight of our President leading young boys from the Boy Scouts chanting love for him, and hate for Clinton bring all that back.

I am shocked at the posters on here rationalizing this and making excuses. I am tired and saddened that our President is given a free pass.

A President is elected to lead, not lie and lead the hate. I am tired of those who need to find some words, saying the media is not reporting with supreme accuracy. If you speak of commentators opinions, what do you expect when commenting on a White House that has made no effort to unite, AND IN TOTAL FACT, made significant efforts to divide.

You use words well. You criticize others for understanding your little message. You speak of "guardians of history" who had their say when state lawmakers decided to place this statue in a museum. I honestly don't know what to believe about what you are saying. I detest these rallies in general from any cause. I do listen as to why the rally to determine the issue. These people, who you "seem" to equate to other groups are not the same. They are clear in their message. It is hate, no "affirmative action, no "police brutality". ....nothing but hate, and I am disappointed at you and other posters dancing around....NO LECTURE from you please....MY interpretation is "dancing around" and finding some justification for this (history, past rallies over the years, etc.) to find a way to simply call it what it is.

I, actually, and hopefully am correct as nightfall arrives, at restraint shown by those who oppose storm troopers in brown shirts with ZERO grievance, armed to the teeth, chanting hate.

We will see if the political rhetoric from our elected President changes. I suspect it will not. This is a man who spent THREE HOURS attacking news commentators just a few weeks ago because he was criticized. This weekend has been a revelation, not unexpected, but while most of the hard right folks on here find any reason to continue to support hate from our WH, I have given up. If he is accomplishing what you want.....troops in Venzuela was a shocker, and Carl...no lectures...I know what is going in in Venzuela and need no lectures. I simply believe words have consequences...especially from the President through the world, and one of the results of preaching hate and chants is what we saw this weekend, and they promise they are just starting.

There was NO confrontation between political extremists this weekend, and torchlight marches will stop when the rhetoric filled with accusations, never founded stops.

Well stated...and you've nailed him perfectly! :bigbow:



As I've often stated, racism...in and of itself...is not all that big of a deal. People are allowed to think whatever they want...regardless of how sick it might be.

Where racism and bigotry become intolerable, is when people who hold those views...have ANY type of authority or power over others.

He says he used to be a Secret Service employee, so any decent and reasonable person has to wonder how many times he applied his now outed and documented racist/bigoted views...against those who he had authority over?

It is THAT ugly, abominable underbelly of this country, that is now coming forth more and more...since the election of Trump.

It's totally wishful thinking, but I think it would be wonderful to have a nationwide investigation into all of the people just like Carl who are now coming out of the closet and review their careers and how they dealt with racial issues...by a committee that had integrity and ethics. :thumbup:

The scary part of course, is wondering how many more like CIT...are still working and have power/authority over others? :ohdear:



So that I don't have to repeat myself, and since it applies to this thread also, here's a link to an earlier post of mine...

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1435592-post29.html

Backed into what corner? Hell, I'm having a blast watching those who were mostly secret racists/bigots before Trump came along...finally coming out of the closet. :1rotfl:

It makes it a whole lot easier identifying them. :thumbup:

I make observations on FACTS...and base my viewpoints on them.

I have never said,nor even implied, that ALL conservatives are racist (with Trump cultists however, the % gets a whole lot higher).

Just like Trump and all of his Cultists, you and your ilk take umbrage and call something 'fake news,' simply because someone had the audacity to actually take the time to point out...what was actually said and/or written and there is a record of it. :oops:

Carl made his position very clear, when he tried denigrating BLM and cherry-picking a few of the people calling for cops to be killed (which by ANY standards, is abhorrent), yet just like Trump and the rest of you...he totally ignores/discounts the issues that led to the need for a Black Lives Matter type movement in the first place.

Instead, you try and change the argument by saying 'all lives matter.'

Of course all lives matter...that's NOT what is at issue.

Because it's certainly not young, white males that are being killed or discriminated against..with very little justice.

Instead, you racists and bigots want to focus on the name of the movement...and the few outrageous scumbags calling for retribution killings.

Oh wait, that's right, blacks aren't being killed for little/no reason, whites on the right are constantly calling for changes because of it and cops aren't getting away with it in a lot of cases...how silly of me to forget that. :ohdear:

So please, trying to draw a false equivalency of BLM to white supremicists/neo-nazi's/alt-right is about as ignorant as walking into an Italian restaurant and screeching..."French food matters."

But, if you're a racist or bigot...that doesn't matter to you.

[Carl in Tampa]

Well stated...and you've nailed him perfectly! :bigbow:



As I've often stated, racism...in and of itself...is not all that big of a deal. People are allowed to think whatever they want...regardless of how sick it might be.

Where racism and bigotry become intolerable, is when people who hold those views...have ANY type of authority or power over others.

He says he used to be a Secret Service employee, so any decent and reasonable person has to wonder how many times he applied his now outed and documented racist/bigoted views...against those who he had authority over?

It is THAT ugly, abominable underbelly of this country, that is now coming forth more and more...since the election of Trump.

It's totally wishful thinking, but I think it would be wonderful to have a nationwide investigation into all of the people just like Carl who are now coming out of the closet and review their careers and how they dealt with racial issues...by a committee that had integrity and ethics. :thumbup:

The scary part of course, is wondering how many more like CIT...are still working and have power/authority over others? :ohdear:



So that I don't have to repeat myself, and since it applies to this thread also, here's a link to an earlier post of mine...

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/143552-post29.html
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TDS


Carl in Tampa

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[rubicon]

We are seeing a new phase in the violent confrontations between political extremists.

Legitimate "Freedom of Speech" rallies are being infiltrated by groups of people who not only accept violence, but also seek it. As the press has reported in Charlottesville, the demonstrators were seen getting off of buses wearing helmets and body armor, and carrying weapons. They sought battle.

When the issues involve Black grievances, the legitimate groups find their ranks swelled by members of the anti-police group Black Lives Matter, an outgrowth of the violence of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

On the issue of preservation of Confederate artifacts, concerned guardians of history find themselves joined by uninvited White Supremacists, Nazis, and many in Ku Klux Klan regalia.

Over a long career in law enforcement, federal and local, I have been involved in surveillance, investigating, confronting, and interviewing these people. It has been my experience that many of these White people base their grievances on perceived inequities of affirmative action programs, but there have been notable cases where I have seen the fiery gleam of a madman in the eyes of the person being interviewed. You can see this same thing in photos of Charles Manson.

What I found most disturbing, and even frightening, was the images of the torchlit parade in Charlottesville last night that was hauntingly reminiscent of the marches of Hitler's Nazis in 1930s Germany.

We have seen KKK members parading around on the fringes of demonstrations in their ludicrous regalia for decades, waving the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (erroneously called the Confederate Flag, or the Stars and Bars.) We have seen neo-Nazis striving to get some press attention while wearing reproductions of Hitler's Brown Shirt uniforms and waving flags with swastikas.

But, a mass torchlight parade, in the style of 1930s Nazis, as we saw last night is something new, and must not be tolerated. I am horrified at how this movement seems to be catching on, and is attracting young people.


Carl in Tampa

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Your analysis is so well stated that I have highlighted it once again. We agree and we may be coming to the same conclusion but from different approaches.

Its difficult to change corporate cultural . However not all change is good. From the 1960's on the left sought to change American culture with its social justice warrior campaigns. The nation for the sake of the nation acquiesced.

However the old saw "give them an inch and they will take a mile" has application here. Because we have moved from a civil right paradigm to one of entitlement. Worse yet a demand to not only do right today but also yesterday. And so the campaign continued by the Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton's moving to the Black Caucus, which claims it will withdraw, all claiming racism still exists. So unless you destroy "all that is Confederate "the latest but not last demand,you are all still racist.

Moving froward Trump the blonde gets elected. so there is proof again that the country is racist...forgetting of course a black president was elected twice before .

A Colin Kaepernick and a Moshawn Marshall show their disdain for America. Black Leaders decry the police are racist. Black Lives Matter becomes a forced to beckon with. A white guy named James Damore speaks the truth about affirmative action programs and the CEO of Google fires him. My employer did government work and therefore had to implement an affirmative action plan. the program was totally political and total quantifiable,,it was only about filling in the numbers and not the quality of any employee

White hate groups that were forced back underground resurface because now there is credibility in their complaints and claims

Their claims the clear and intentional attacks made on Christians. The clear and intentional attacks made on white heterosexual males. colleges and universities no longer teach the classic etc because greatness was produce by white men. white men thought to be racist and misogynist . SO cultural diversity supersedes all elseto remove this white stink. Men of greatness whose names appear above a university building are removed because well they were deemed racist..yet they were men of their time and one should judge them as of their time and their net good

Trump represents everything the radical left hates. The political left, establishment right, liberal media and Hollywood were made to look foolish when Trump was elected. So all of the aforementioned have developed Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Notice all the illegality ,brutality and cause and reasons for this protest are not seriously debated because its Trump's fault. Trump did not to this or that...........

I see a very large, and borrowing the liberals favorite word "disingenuous", hole in logic here.

This is essentially a fight between nationalist with traditional values vis vis internationalist touting the new normal/ This is a fight about power and control and Charlotteville is just the latest eruption

Personal Best Regards:

[Don Baldwin]

We are seeing a new phase in the violent confrontations between political extremists.

Legitimate "Freedom of Speech" rallies are being infiltrated by groups of people who not only accept violence, but also seek it. As the press has reported in Charlottesville, the demonstrators were seen getting off of buses wearing helmets and body armor, and carrying weapons. They sought battle.

When the issues involve Black grievances, the legitimate groups find their ranks swelled by members of the anti-police group Black Lives Matter, an outgrowth of the violence of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

On the issue of preservation of Confederate artifacts, concerned guardians of history find themselves joined by uninvited White Supremacists, Nazis, and many in Ku Klux Klan regalia.

Over a long career in law enforcement, federal and local, I have been involved in surveillance, investigating, confronting, and interviewing these people. It has been my experience that many of these White people base their grievances on perceived inequities of affirmative action programs, but there have been notable cases where I have seen the fiery gleam of a madman in the eyes of the person being interviewed. You can see this same thing in photos of Charles Manson.

What I found most disturbing, and even frightening, was the images of the torchlit parade in Charlottesville last night that was hauntingly reminiscent of the marches of Hitler's Nazis in 1930s Germany.

We have seen KKK members parading around on the fringes of demonstrations in their ludicrous regalia for decades, waving the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (erroneously called the Confederate Flag, or the Stars and Bars.) We have seen neo-Nazis striving to get some press attention while wearing reproductions of Hitler's Brown Shirt uniforms and waving flags with swastikas.

But, a mass torchlight parade, in the style of 1930s Nazis, as we saw last night is something new, and must not be tolerated. I am horrified at how this movement seems to be catching on, and is attracting young people.


Carl in Tampa

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Yes...the blacks and Hispanics go there EXPECTING to CAUSE violence...the demonstrators go there knowing the violent blacks/Hispanics will be there causing violence...so they PREPARE. That's what white people do...they PLAN and they PREPARE. That's why WE have "Western Civilization" and they didn't have the wheel or written language.

"Legitimate" groups with legitimate grievances? WHAT grievances? Minorities are coddled like children. They are GIVEN more than others. HOW could they want more? Because they're NOT our equals and they CAN'T "compete" equally on a LEVEL field?

Do you also have experience with minorities? With THEIR behavior? IF you did...you'd realize that THEY are 9X MORE dangerous and violent than white people. How many mass killings were there in Chicago this weekend? How about in ALL the black/Hispanic neighborhoods? How many were killed by this white guy? A few? How many died the same day in the black/Hispanic inner city neighborhoods?

"perceived inequities"? They ARE inequalities. When a white male is passed over for a minority who is less qualified...it's NOT perceived...it's ACTUAL inequality. White men are the ONLY group OFFICIALLY discriminated against.

What about the interview with minorities? No gleam of hate in their eyes? I bet there is...you just pass it by because it's SO COMMON.

But when the blacks/Hispanics have a torchlight march...it reminds you of a bunch of Sunday Schoolers being peaceful? Why are you blind to one and judgmental to the other?

WHY must it not be tolerated? They're simply asking to be treated FAIRLY...NOT discriminated against because of the color of their skin. WE are discriminated against. Institutional discrimination. ONLY white people are by law discriminated against in America.

I hope the movement grows...the movement MUST grow to save the America, it's culture, and white people. We WERE 90% in the 1950s, we're 50% now, and projected to be 20-25% in 30 years. It's time to REVERSE this trend...time to make America WHITE again...time to make America SUCCESSFUL again.

Your analysis is so well stated that I have highlighted it once again. We agree and we may be coming to the same conclusion but from different approaches.

Its difficult to change corporate cultural . However not all change is good. From the 1960's on the left sought to change American culture with its social justice warrior campaigns. The nation for the sake of the nation acquiesced.

However the old saw "give them an inch and they will take a mile" has application here. Because we have moved from a civil right paradigm to one of entitlement. Worse yet a demand to not only do right today but also yesterday. And so the campaign continued by the Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton's moving to the Black Caucus, which claims it will withdraw, all claiming racism still exists. So unless you destroy "all that is Confederate "the latest but not last demand,you are all still racist.

Moving froward Trump the blonde gets elected. so there is proof again that the country is racist...forgetting of course a black president was elected twice before .

A Colin Kaepernick and a Moshawn Marshall show their disdain for America. Black Leaders decry the police are racist. Black Lives Matter becomes a forced to beckon with. A white guy named James Damore speaks the truth about affirmative action programs and the CEO of Google fires him. My employer did government work and therefore had to implement an affirmative action plan. the program was totally political and total quantifiable,,it was only about filling in the numbers and not the quality of any employee

White hate groups that were forced back underground resurface because now there is credibility in their complaints and claims

Their claims the clear and intentional attacks made on Christians. The clear and intentional attacks made on white heterosexual males. colleges and universities no longer teach the classic etc because greatness was produce by white men. white men thought to be racist and misogynist . SO cultural diversity supersedes all elseto remove this white stink. Men of greatness whose names appear above a university building are removed because well they were deemed racist..yet they were men of their time and one should judge them as of their time and their net good

Trump represents everything the radical left hates. The political left, establishment right, liberal media and Hollywood were made to look foolish when Trump was elected. So all of the aforementioned have developed Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Notice all the illegality ,brutality and cause and reasons for this protest are not seriously debated because its Trump's fault. Trump did not to this or that...........

I see a very large, and borrowing the liberals favorite word "disingenuous", hole in logic here.

This is essentially a fight between nationalist with traditional values vis vis internationalist touting the new normal/ This is a fight about power and control and Charlotteville is just the latest eruption

Personal Best Regards:

The Ds wanted votes...so they kissed the asses of the minorities to get those votes.

The minorities CANNOT compete...so they DEMAND special treatment...they've gotten it...to the detriment of everything/everyone else.

We KNOW they're not equal...but we feel sorry for them. So we do everything we can to "make" them "equal".

Look at the damage a black president did...to society and the country. He DOUBLED the debt left by 40 presidents before him. He added $10 trillion in debt...$30,000 for EVERY man woman and child...$90,000 for each actual worker in the country. Race relations haven't been worse since the Civil War.

THIS is what the protesters were protesting...
"A white guy named James Damore speaks the truth about affirmative action programs and the CEO of Google fires him. My employer did government work and therefore had to implement an affirmative action plan. the program was totally political and total quantifiable,,it was only about filling in the numbers and not the quality of any employee"

There's ALWAYS been credibility in their claims...it's been censored, covered up, the groups have been made out to be crazies...when they've been trying to SAVE you, your culture, and your country from the black/brown invasion.

The losers are breeding "us" out. They're breeding out the white 1st world productive whites and REPLACING them with stupid, non-productive idiots.

It's NOT seriously debated because IF we DID "seriously debate it"...we'd come to the inevitable conclusion that blacks ARE a different species incapable of doing the things white people can do...and Hispanics are breeding us out of our own country by dumping 50 million illegal "anchor babies".

Liberals use NO logic. They use emotion.

Hopefully, it WILL come to a head and this "equality" garbage will end. It MUST end for the survival of the nation and our culture.

[Taltarzac725]

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/14/mike-pence-condemns-white-supremacists/104582828/

Interesting to dig into this problem which has been fueled in part by Donald John Trump and his campaign as well as his taking up of the birther movement for quite some time before abandoning it when it became too much of a political dead weight.

[Don Baldwin]

Mike Pence condemns white nationalist violence in Charlottesville (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/14/mike-pence-condemns-white-supremacists/104582828/)

Interesting to dig into this problem which has been fueled in part by Donald John Trump and his campaign as well as his taking up of the birther movement for quite some time before abandoning it when it became too much of a political dead weight.

From your link...

"We have no tolerance for hate and violence, white supremacists or neo-Nazis or the KKK."

Hmm...ALL white groups...nothing about BLM, La Raza, or ANY "minority" group. Even though they ARE violent.

This march wasn't violent...a crazy guy was violent. The group wasn't violent...a crazy guy was violent.

These protesters were looking out for YOU, for your country, your culture, your grandchildrens future!

WHERE does more blacks/browns EVER make things better? In the NBA? The NFL? That's it...nowhere else gets better when you bring in more blacks/browns. No neighborhood, no school, no city, and NO country.

We are at 50:50 RIGHT NOW...half white, half minority...America will NOT survive a minority majority...NO COUNTRY HAS EVER survived the natives being bred out. Look what happened to the Native Americans...that is white peoples future too!

They are already excluding white people...leaving them out...demanding we stay away from them.

Hispanics have the majority of babies and have been for the last 7 years...they WILL be the absolute majority within 30 years.

Wake up you f@cking idiots. You are losing your country and these protesters are trying to get that through your thick, nonworking heads.

[billethkid]

Your analysis is so well stated that I have highlighted it once again. We agree and we may be coming to the same conclusion but from different approaches.

Its difficult to change corporate cultural . However not all change is good. From the 1960's on the left sought to change American culture with its social justice warrior campaigns. The nation for the sake of the nation acquiesced.

However the old saw "give them an inch and they will take a mile" has application here. Because we have moved from a civil right paradigm to one of entitlement. Worse yet a demand to not only do right today but also yesterday. And so the campaign continued by the Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton's moving to the Black Caucus, which claims it will withdraw, all claiming racism still exists. So unless you destroy "all that is Confederate "the latest but not last demand,you are all still racist.

Moving froward Trump the blonde gets elected. so there is proof again that the country is racist...forgetting of course a black president was elected twice before .

A Colin Kaepernick and a Moshawn Marshall show their disdain for America. Black Leaders decry the police are racist. Black Lives Matter becomes a forced to beckon with. A white guy named James Damore speaks the truth about affirmative action programs and the CEO of Google fires him. My employer did government work and therefore had to implement an affirmative action plan. the program was totally political and total quantifiable,,it was only about filling in the numbers and not the quality of any employee

White hate groups that were forced back underground resurface because now there is credibility in their complaints and claims

Their claims the clear and intentional attacks made on Christians. The clear and intentional attacks made on white heterosexual males. colleges and universities no longer teach the classic etc because greatness was produce by white men. white men thought to be racist and misogynist . SO cultural diversity supersedes all elseto remove this white stink. Men of greatness whose names appear above a university building are removed because well they were deemed racist..yet they were men of their time and one should judge them as of their time and their net good

Trump represents everything the radical left hates. The political left, establishment right, liberal media and Hollywood were made to look foolish when Trump was elected. So all of the aforementioned have developed Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Notice all the illegality ,brutality and cause and reasons for this protest are not seriously debated because its Trump's fault. Trump did not to this or that...........

I see a very large, and borrowing the liberals favorite word "disingenuous", hole in logic here.

This is essentially a fight between nationalist with traditional values vis vis internationalist touting the new normal/ This is a fight about power and control and Charlotteville is just the latest eruption

Personal Best Regards:

Finally an appropriate, concise label (TDS).

[larbud]

I tend to believe this..

[billethkid]

I tend to believe this..

Having lived in Charlottesville I believe it as well.

[Don Baldwin]

I tend to believe this..

Having lived in Charlottesville I believe it as well.

The FIRST problem...was electing a BLACK as mayor. What did you expect?

[Chi-Town]

We are seeing a new phase in the violent confrontations between political extremists.

Legitimate "Freedom of Speech" rallies are being infiltrated by groups of people who not only accept violence, but also seek it. As the press has reported in Charlottesville, the demonstrators were seen getting off of buses wearing helmets and body armor, and carrying weapons. They sought battle.

When the issues involve Black grievances, the legitimate groups find their ranks swelled by members of the anti-police group Black Lives Matter, an outgrowth of the violence of the Ferguson, Missouri, riots.

On the issue of preservation of Confederate artifacts, concerned guardians of history find themselves joined by uninvited White Supremacists, Nazis, and many in Ku Klux Klan regalia.

Over a long career in law enforcement, federal and local, I have been involved in surveillance, investigating, confronting, and interviewing these people. It has been my experience that many of these White people base their grievances on perceived inequities of affirmative action programs, but there have been notable cases where I have seen the fiery gleam of a madman in the eyes of the person being interviewed. You can see this same thing in photos of Charles Manson.

What I found most disturbing, and even frightening, was the images of the torchlit parade in Charlottesville last night that was hauntingly reminiscent of the marches of Hitler's Nazis in 1930s Germany.

We have seen KKK members parading around on the fringes of demonstrations in their ludicrous regalia for decades, waving the Battle Flag of Northern Virginia (erroneously called the Confederate Flag, or the Stars and Bars.) We have seen neo-Nazis striving to get some press attention while wearing reproductions of Hitler's Brown Shirt uniforms and waving flags with swastikas.

But, a mass torchlight parade, in the style of 1930s Nazis, as we saw last night is something new, and must not be tolerated. I am horrified at how this movement seems to be catching on, and is attracting young people.


Carl in Tampa

.Throwing in Black Lives Matter and affirmative action reasoning is a distraction from the fact that the white supremacists are solely racists. Period. There is no justification.

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[Don Baldwin]

Throwing in Black Lives Matter and affirmative action reasoning is a distraction from the fact that the white supremacists are solely racists. Period. There is no justification.

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Wait a minute...a certain race NEEDS affirmative action...they NEED quotas...to have ANY representation because they CAN'T qualify...and you think WE ARE RACISTS for pointing that fact out and wanting it ended?

The justification is we (white males) are the ONLY demographic to be the official victims of institutional discrimination.

There is no justification in quotas who reward 15th place with a trophy over 3rd-14th place. Affirmative action/quotas literally takes the 15th place finisher and PLACES them on the 3rd place winners platform.

[ColdNoMore]

Throwing in Black Lives Matter and affirmative action reasoning is a distraction from the fact that the white supremacists are solely racists. Period.

There is no justification.

You nailed it once again Chi. :thumbup:

The most disgusting part of course, is that this perverted reasoning and false equivalencies are unbelievably being asserted by someone claiming to have once been paid by taxpayers...and had law enforcement authority. :oops:

And yet, according to the alt-right and Trump Cultists...this country doesn't have a problem with law enforcement treating minorities differently.

Simply unbelievable. :ohdear:

[Don Baldwin]

You nailed it once again Chi. :thumbup:

The most disgusting part of course, is that this perverted reasoning and false equivalencies are unbelievably being asserted by someone claiming to have once been paid by taxpayers...and had law enforcement authority. :oops:

And yet, according to the alt-right and Trump Cultists...this country doesn't have a problem with law enforcement treating minorities differently.

Simply unbelievable. :ohdear:

OMG...please...the authorities KISS the black peoples ass. They literally get away with murder if the authorities think there may be riots. They're treated differently all right...they get away with things NO white could get away with.

Yes it IS unbelievable how liberals think.

Blacks are 9X more likely to commit a crime. MUCH more likely to commit a violent crime.

That is WHY their neighborhoods are dangerous. It's WHY their schools are dangerous. It's WHY they're locked up more. It's WHY they're poor.

What is the poorest most violent part of Chicago? Of ANY city? Where the blacks live...always...every single time.

[Sandtrap328]

It was good to hear Trump denounce the white supremacist groups, NeoNazis, and KKK for the vermin they are.

He should have done it 24 hours ago like Ivanka but it still was good.

White supremacist groups and the NeoNazis now know that the good and decent people of the USA want nothing to do with them.

Yes, Don Baldwin, this means YOU. You are scum and have been denounced by decent Americans.

[Chi-Town]

It was good to hear Trump denounce the white supremacist groups, NeoNazis, and KKK for the vermin they are.

He should have done it 24 hours ago like Ivanka but it still was good.

White supremacist groups and the NeoNazis now know that the good and decent people of the USA want nothing to do with them.

Yes, Don Baldwin, this means YOU. You are scum and have been denounced by decent Americans.

Keep in mind that Trump begrudgingly amended his statement. That's part of his base that he needs to keep together.

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[Don Baldwin]

It was good to hear Trump denounce the white supremacist groups, NeoNazis, and KKK for the vermin they are.

He should have done it 24 hours ago like Ivanka but it still was good.

White supremacist groups and the NeoNazis now know that the good and decent people of the USA want nothing to do with them.

Yes, Don Baldwin, this means YOU. You are scum and have been denounced by decent Americans.

You can denounce the truth and those who try to show it to you all you want. It WON'T change the FACT that America WAS #1 in the world and 90% white in the late 1950s...and is NOW 49% white and #25 in the world...projected to be 20-25% white and much lower in 30 years. We WILL become a Mexico II. Look to the border counties for America's future.

You're not decent...you're ignorant fools.

[Carl in Tampa]

Throwing in Black Lives Matter and affirmative action reasoning is a distraction from the fact that the white supremacists are solely racists. Period. There is no justification.

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Mentioning BLM and Affirmative Action was not intended as a distraction, but rather, to explain possible motivations of White extremist demonstrators. Understanding motivation can be a step towards changing perceptions, and then actions, of demonstrators.

It was certainly not intended as a justification. But it is much too simplistic to simply say that the demonstrators are "solely racists. Period." They got that way somehow. They weren't born as racists. They received instruction; they had certain experiences. If we can understand their motivation, perhaps we can change attitudes.

For example, the practice of Affirmative Action is not nearly as pervasive as it was a few decades ago. Perhaps the demonstrators do not realize this, and education of the facts might modify their actions.

I began this thread to express my concern about seeing the mass torchlight demonstration that was reminiscent of Hitler's Brown Shirt marches in 1930s Germany. I never expected to see such a demonstration in the United States.

I also hoped to see some responses that offered thoughts on how to counter the apparent increase in neo-Nazi participation in our country. I have been disappointed.

So far, the thread has been effectively hijacked by a dialogue between Don Baldwin, who posts statistics and opinions that express a frank opinion regarding the difference in intellectual achievement between the races, and Chi-Town whose constant mantra is that those who express opinions contrary to his are racist. This generates much heat, but no light, as it is simply an argument, with no solutions suggested.

Beyond that, of course is the sniping of the TDS Troll, whose posts I disregard as irrational and inconsequential.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to de-escalate and avoid conflicts between groups such as we have seen in Charlottesville this week?


Carl in Tampa

[Don Baldwin]

Mentioning BLM and Affirmative Action was not intended as a distraction, but rather, to explain possible motivations of White extremist demonstrators. Understanding motivation can be a step towards changing perceptions, and then actions, of demonstrators.

....


Beyond that, of course is the sniping of the TDS Troll, whose posts I disregard as irrational and inconsequential.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to de-escalate and avoid conflicts between groups such as we have seen in Charlottesville this week?


Carl in Tampa

Yes...EVERYONE gets the RIGHT to protest...unmolested. EVERYONE gets the RIGHT to speak...unmolested...uncensored.

Until you have that...you won't have the truth.

[Rockyrd]

Mentioning BLM and Affirmative Action was not intended as a distraction, but rather, to explain possible motivations of White extremist demonstrators. Understanding motivation can be a step towards changing perceptions, and then actions, of demonstrators.

It was certainly not intended as a justification. But it is much too simplistic to simply say that the demonstrators are "solely racists. Period." They got that way somehow. They weren't born as racists. They received instruction; they had certain experiences. If we can understand their motivation, perhaps we can change attitudes.

For example, the practice of Affirmative Action is not nearly as pervasive as it was a few decades ago. Perhaps the demonstrators do not realize this, and education of the facts might modify their actions.

I began this thread to express my concern about seeing the mass torchlight demonstration that was reminiscent of Hitler's Brown Shirt marches in 1930s Germany. I never expected to see such a demonstration in the United States.

I also hoped to see some responses that offered thoughts on how to counter the apparent increase in neo-Nazi participation in our country. I have been disappointed.

So far, the thread has been effectively hijacked by a dialogue between Don Baldwin, who posts statistics and opinions that express a frank opinion regarding the difference in intellectual achievement between the races, and Chi-Town whose constant mantra is that those who express opinions contrary to his are racist. This generates much heat, but no light, as it is simply an argument, with no solutions suggested.

Beyond that, of course is the sniping of the TDS Troll, whose posts I disregard as irrational and inconsequential.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how to de-escalate and avoid conflicts between groups such as we have seen in Charlottesville this week?


Carl in Tampa

First, let me agree with your concern. It is a VERY REAL CONCERN, but not a new one. These folks have been lurking around for years, posting hate....hell, David Duke has been around for a long long time. This is not a new movement.

Next, this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people. As you noted in your OP, it is like the 1930's which had no affirmative action, nor Black Lives Matter,, and what upset me ON THIS FORUM mostly was trying to make it about that. This movement has been in the shadows for many years and predate all the movements you can bring up.

Did you you note that I posted from their website, or one of them and wRiting 24 hours what they said about the girl killed. NOT ONE PERSON THAT I SAW EVEN EXPRESSED SHOCK OR DISMAY AT THAT That means all those who visit here and read it could care less and they live among us.

NO....equating this long standing movement with anything you can bring up is just not even reasonable.

Why cannot you and others take these people for what they say. They are filled with hate for certain groups...they now feel emboldened by Trump. Now you and others can call of us for having the syndrome which is total and complete silliness. This kind of thing was predicted early on if he was elected. This is not a syndrome. You mention experiences.....consider....

"Forty-four years ago, the Trump family's real estate company was accused by a Republican-run U.S. Justice Department of discriminating against blacks. The company settled.

Twenty-eight years ago, Trump publicly called for capital punishment after five black youths were charged with a crime of which they were later cleared. "Maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done," he told a television interviewer.

Six years ago, Trump sought to discredit the legitimacy of America's first black president. He spread the fabricated suggestion that President Barack Obama was born abroad and not, in fact, American.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-gop-disgust-for-trump-more-likely-to-come-out.html

Donald Trump did not invent this hate....he is nor was the sole cause, but he certainly emboldened it. His entire campaign resembled the marches etc of the nazi movement in the 1930's. Chants of hate included.

What I am saying to all you Trump supporters is this. WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES especially when they are the words of the United States President. Add to that, the social media and quickness of travel of statements and especially when it is said so publicly for ALL countries of the world to hear it.

This emboldened this group; they have been very clear. He has even been reluctant to criticize them just in a general sense.

From that link I already gave...

"But in 2016, white Americans with racial and religious grievances heard a signal. A post-election Democracy Fund study identified Trump's most important group of supporters as voters with a strong sense of identity as white Christians and negative feelings toward immigration, blacks and Muslims.

With words and actions, Trump has gratified them as president. He made Stephen Bannon, who called the Breitbart news site he ran a "platform for the alt-right,"

I think it is not only 100% wrong to equate what you guys are trying to do to this movement, it is simply working with your heads in the ground.

These folks have been around WELL BEFORE any of the movements you guys say might be a motivation. Yes, experience does dictate hate etc., but not what you guys want to do with making it political.

You can call me having any syndrome you want, I have my eyes wide open here......I know this mans history.....he is repeating it but from inside the oval office.

[Carl in Tampa]

Throwing in Black Lives Matter and affirmative action reasoning is a distraction from the fact that the white supremacists are solely racists. Period. There is no justification.

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Yes...EVERYONE gets the RIGHT to protest...unmolested. EVERYONE gets the RIGHT to speak...unmolested...uncensored.

Until you have that...you won't have the truth.

That would be the Constitutional answer.

The question is how to accomplish it.

With my background in law enforcement and the military, my answer in how to accomplish it is an overwhelming police presence at any event which is known to have the potential for violence.

When the Charlottesville city government issued a permit for a White Supremacist group to demonstrate at Emancipation (Lee) Park, their Police Department should have prepared for a violent counter-demonstration, to include bringing in the State Police and having National Guard troops suited up and standing by somewhere in the city.

The city government would have been well advised to pass some city ordinances prohibiting having civilians from wearing helmets, body armor or similar protective clothing, or carrying flagstaffs, sign or poster poles, or similar items which could be used as weapons anywhere in the city for a period of 10 hours before or 10 hours after the period of an authorized period of the permitted demonstration.

And then enforce the ordinances strictly.

Sadly, most local governmental leaders do not have the courage to take this course of action.

:shocked:


Carl in Tampa

[Carl in Tampa]

First, let me agree with your concern. It is a VERY REAL CONCERN, but not a new one. These folks have been lurking around for years, posting hate....hell, David Duke has been around for a long long time. This is not a new movement.

Next, this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people. As you noted in your OP, it is like the 1930's which had no affirmative action, nor Black Lives Matter,, and what upset me ON THIS FORUM mostly was trying to make it about that. This movement has been in the shadows for many years and predate all the movements you can bring up.

Did you you note that I posted from their website, or one of them and wRiting 24 hours what they said about the girl killed. NOT ONE PERSON THAT I SAW EVEN EXPRESSED SHOCK OR DISMAY AT THAT That means all those who visit here and read it could care less and they live among us.

NO....equating this long standing movement with anything you can bring up is just not even reasonable.

Why cannot you and others take these people for what they say. They are filled with hate for certain groups...they now feel emboldened by Trump. Now you and others can call of us for having the syndrome which is total and complete silliness. This kind of thing was predicted early on if he was elected. This is not a syndrome. You mention experiences.....consider....

"Forty-four years ago, the Trump family's real estate company was accused by a Republican-run U.S. Justice Department of discriminating against blacks. The company settled.

Twenty-eight years ago, Trump publicly called for capital punishment after five black youths were charged with a crime of which they were later cleared. "Maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done," he told a television interviewer.

Six years ago, Trump sought to discredit the legitimacy of America's first black president. He spread the fabricated suggestion that President Barack Obama was born abroad and not, in fact, American.

Charlottesville: GOP 'disgust' for Trump more likely to come out (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/13/charlottesville-gop-disgust-for-trump-more-likely-to-come-out.html)

Donald Trump did not invent this hate....he is nor was the sole cause, but he certainly emboldened it. His entire campaign resembled the marches etc of the nazi movement in the 1930's. Chants of hate included.

What I am saying to all you Trump supporters is this. WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES especially when they are the words of the United States President. Add to that, the social media and quickness of travel of statements and especially when it is said so publicly for ALL countries of the world to hear it.

This emboldened this group; they have been very clear. He has even been reluctant to criticize them just in a general sense.

From that link I already gave...

"But in 2016, white Americans with racial and religious grievances heard a signal. A post-election Democracy Fund study identified Trump's most important group of supporters as voters with a strong sense of identity as white Christians and negative feelings toward immigration, blacks and Muslims.

With words and actions, Trump has gratified them as president. He made Stephen Bannon, who called the Breitbart news site he ran a "platform for the alt-right,"

I think it is not only 100% wrong to equate what you guys are trying to do to this movement, it is simply working with your heads in the ground.

These folks have been around WELL BEFORE any of the movements you guys say might be a motivation. Yes, experience does dictate hate etc., but not what you guys want to do with making it political.

You can call me having any syndrome you want, I have my eyes wide open here......I know this mans history.....he is repeating it but from inside the oval office.

Alas, again I see a list of grievances with no suggestion about how to de-escalate the conflict between opposing groups of demonstrators.

Here is a fallacy in your reasoning. You state that "this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people."

What you ignore is that these people were not born neo-Nazis. They were attracted to the movement for some reason. I am suggesting that we explore what this reason may be, and see if we can do anything to modify their attitudes.

As I said in another post, I have personally interviewed neo-Nazis, usually in their own homes. In some I could discern that their attraction to the movement was economically based because they felt they were impoverished due to Affirmative Action depriving them of the jobs they felt they were entitled to.

However, in the eyes of others I saw the gleam of madness such as can be seen in photos of Charles Manson. These true believers were regarded as dangerous, and we checked up on them regularly.

I suspect, but cannot say for sure, that in recent years attention has been diverted from the neo-Nazis to the threat of Islamic terrorists. In addition, of course, the flood of illegal aliens whose presence in our country was facilitated by President Obama, has diverted the attention of many law enforcement officers.

But, again, people join movements not because the movements have been around for years, but because something in the message of the movement resonates with their education or experience. If we can learn why they joined a movement, perhaps we can modify their attitudes.

:thumbup:

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Carl in Tampa

[Don Baldwin]

That would be the Constitutional answer.

The question is how to accomplish it.

With my background in law enforcement and the military, my answer in how to accomplish it is an overwhelming police presence at any event which is known to have the potential for violence.

When the Charlottesville city government issued a permit for a White Supremacist group to demonstrate at Emancipation (Lee) Park, their Police Department should have prepared for a violent counter-demonstration, to include bringing in the State Police and having National Guard troops suited up and standing by somewhere in the city.

The city government would have been well advised to pass some city ordinances prohibiting having civilians from wearing helmets, body armor or similar protective clothing, or carrying flagstaffs, sign or poster poles, or similar items which could be used as weapons anywhere in the city for a period of 10 hours before or 10 hours after the period of an authorized period of the permitted demonstration.

And then enforce the ordinances strictly.

Sadly, most local governmental leaders do not have the courage to take this course of action.

:shocked:


Carl in Tampa

Sadly...MOST local city governments have sections of their city...where the blacks live...that are no-mans-land. Places they ONLY enter with overwhelming numbers.

WHY do you think "SWAT teams" are used so often in minority neighborhoods? The police FEAR the residents. Fear what will happen when they knock on a door. It's literally a war zone in the black inner cities.

[Carl in Tampa]

See what I mean?

Carl in Tampa
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[Rockyrd]

Alas, again I see a list of grievances with no suggestion about how to de-escalate the conflict between opposing groups of demonstrators.

Here is a fallacy in your reasoning. You state that "this movement which uses nazi propaganda and language and symbols pre dates any affirmative action and I think referring to that is making up excuses for these people."

What you ignore is that these people were not born neo-Nazis. They were attracted to the movement for some reason. I am suggesting that we explore what this reason may be, and see if we can do anything to modify their attitudes.

As I said in another post, I have personally interviewed neo-Nazis, usually in their own homes. In some I could discern that their attraction to the movement was economically based because they felt they were impoverished due to Affirmative Action depriving them of the jobs they felt they were entitled to.

However, in the eyes of others I saw the gleam of madness such as can be seen in photos of Charles Manson. These true believers were regarded as dangerous, and we checked up on them regularly.

I suspect, but cannot say for sure, that in recent years attention has been diverted from the neo-Nazis to the threat of Islamic terrorists. In addition, of course, the flood of illegal aliens whose presence in our country was facilitated by President Obama, has diverted the attention of many law enforcement officers.

But, again, people join movements not because the movements have been around for years, but because something in the message of the movement resonates with their education or experience. If we can learn why they joined a movement, perhaps we can modify their attitudes.

:thumbup:

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Carl in Tampa

I am sure of what I say......JUST STOP THE AGGRESSIVE PERSONAL ATTACKS THAT TRUMP DOES. HE MAKES IT ALL PERSONAL AND PUBLIC. YES, CRITICIZE BUT DO IT PRIVATELY.

GUESS WHAT....IF HE STOPS THAT..STOPS TWEETING ABOUT EVERY LITTLE PERSONAL GRIEVANCE, THE NEWS CYCLES CHANGE AND MAYBE HE HAS TIME TO GOVERN

[Don Baldwin]

See what I mean?

Carl in Tampa
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Is that for me? You disbelieve me Carl? Big mistake...

"The danger of reporting No-Go zones to the public may be why this topic is undiscussed in national news coverage. Although these are not officially called “No-Go zones,” police from this department claim that they cannot enter many of these districts without being directly shot at or attacked."

The United States of America (Except in a No-Go Zone) | The DIGITAL VOICE (https://wordpress.philau.edu/thevoice/2016/04/the-united-states-of-america-except-in-a-no-go-zone/)

"The Army last week warned all military personnel in the United States to avoid 37 American cities this week over concerns that anti-police protests, dubbed “Days of Rage,” are planned and could turn violent."

"A U.S. Army North spokesman, Lt. Col. Jason Shropshire, said the safety of soldiers and their families is a high priority. “For security reasons, we don’t discuss force-protection measures that we put into place at our Army installations or the specifics of cautionary advice we provide to our soldiers,” he said."

"The notice says that “being anywhere near these protests greatly increases the chance that you could become a victim of violence."

U.S. military told to avoid 37 American cities for fear anti-police protests may turn violent - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/14/us-military-told-avoid-37-american-cities-fear-ant/)

"The argument has some power because the dangers, for cops, are real. The possibility of violence is overwhelming."

“One of the most vulnerable times in our day is shift change,” Officer Virgilio, 31, says as he checks the route. “It’s a matter of avoiding certain patterns. Anybody who is trying to organize some sort of attack on police officers is going to do some sort of surveillance. They’re going to figure out when our shift changes are, they are going to figure out what doors we use to get in and out of the precinct. And it doesn’t take long to gather that type of intelligence.”

"Because there are so many guns out there, police officers are trained to live in fear of the very people they are supposed to protect and serve. Anytime a police officer pulls over a car, he or she must worry that the person inside that car will have a gun that could be turned on them. At training academies throughout the nation, new recruits are taught that cop-killers need two things: a will to kill and an opportunity to act. There's little an officer can do about will; anyone can have it without anyone else knowing. Officers can, however, limit the opportunities for a cop-killer to act by being prepared and quick to defend themselves."

" More police officers are being killed, because they’re hesitating more before pulling the trigger to defend themselves, [Chief Mark] Becker said.

That hesitation stems in part from pressure created by news media and community activists who are increasingly claiming police-involved shootings are racially motivated, he said.

“There’s a small fraction of people who want to come to judgment before knowing all the facts,” he said.

That public pressure is a factor as police officers make life-and-death decisions within seconds, he said. “That plays out in a police officer’s mind,” Becker said. ” ‘What do I do, what do I do?’ and then all of a sudden he’s getting shot.”"

Inner cities are a war zone.

You claimed to work in law enforcement in Tampa? Then you know there are areas the police don't go into alone.

[Rockyrd]

CARL

First, I could care less what the trolls on here call me or what snappy little names they come up with, nor do I care how many times you say I have a syndrome.

This weekend showed for sure, what I suspected. Those on here are my neighbors, but frankly, I share very little in common with them. This forum is all about white nationalists. They share a hate for Obama, not because of his policies, but because if his color. He is much more of a man that Trump will ever get close to being. They hate Clinton so much, they turn over the Oval to a man consumed with himself.

He is, and I have said this repeatedly, a very very mean spirited person who, in my opinion ranks our country well behind himself.

He has no desire to lead ALL the people, none whatsoever. He is self centered and I agree that background plays a role. He grew up in a Klan family, and throughout his life manifested that upbringing.

When he was elected, I felt a revulsion for the man, but an understanding that maybe he might be able to do something good that I might endorse. He has destroyed all chances for that.

He single handily screwed any hope, at least now, for health care revision. His obsession for hating people overrides any common sense. The time he should have been acting like a President and working the halls of congress, he was hate speaking, and leading Boy Scouts in loving chants.

You can tell me I have a syndrome....you can blame OBama and Clinton for every ill in the world....you can justify hating, whatever you want to do. You can FALSELY accuse our media of gross things, you can excuse whatever he says and does in anyway you want. He will do nothing for this country UNLESS it does something for him.

I disagreed with OBama and Clinton as much as all of you, but I never HATED them or anyone.

This forum has become a white nationalist haven.

America is NOT becoming great again with this President.

You want this rhetoric to stop.....tell it to the President.

[rubicon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guest
Throwing in Black Lives Matter and affirmative action reasoning is a distraction from the fact that the white supremacists are solely racists. Period. There is no justification.

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Au contrairie

Throwing in Black Lives Matters, an affirmative action, quotas, et al and intentional destruction of american southern history, etc is the nexus for protests today and not a distraction.

Black Lives Matter affirmative action, et al is was my way of saying identity politics. Identity politics left or right is divisive. Identity politics moves this country in a wrong direction because it does not take into consideration all of its nation's people or problems

Did people vote for Obama based on his bona fides No identity politics demanded "the first black president".
Did the Dems learn their lesson? No they went right back and wanted to elect the "first woman president.

Why was Trump elected? Because middle America was tired of coastal identity politics. Who voted for Trump?
the blue collar/middle Americans who left the Democratic party over the years because of identity politics. these are people who are not racist, etc but they do cherish traditional values, family as a unit religion, adherence to our Articles of Freedom

It is the radical left's false narrative about Trump and his followers being racist that they spread in their endeavor to recapture control and continue their pursuit of identity politic.

The left focuses intentionally on the David duke's but based on our population they are .003 of the population but get 100% of the attention from the liberal media.

I am sorry to have to say this but people who succumb to Trump Derangement syndrome are playing "useful idiots" to the establishment and their game of identity politic .

I don't like Trump personally but at least I know he can't and won't be bought or intimated and in Washington's swamp that is a good thing.

Personal Best Regards:

[Carl in Tampa]

Is that for me? You disbelieve me Carl? Big mistake...

"The danger of reporting No-Go zones to the public may be why this topic is undiscussed in national news coverage. Although these are not officially called “No-Go zones,” police from this department claim that they cannot enter many of these districts without being directly shot at or attacked."

The United States of America (Except in a No-Go Zone) | The DIGITAL VOICE (https://wordpress.philau.edu/thevoice/2016/04/the-united-states-of-america-except-in-a-no-go-zone/)

"The Army last week warned all military personnel in the United States to avoid 37 American cities this week over concerns that anti-police protests, dubbed “Days of Rage,” are planned and could turn violent."

"A U.S. Army North spokesman, Lt. Col. Jason Shropshire, said the safety of soldiers and their families is a high priority. “For security reasons, we don’t discuss force-protection measures that we put into place at our Army installations or the specifics of cautionary advice we provide to our soldiers,” he said."

"The notice says that “being anywhere near these protests greatly increases the chance that you could become a victim of violence."

U.S. military told to avoid 37 American cities for fear anti-police protests may turn violent - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/14/us-military-told-avoid-37-american-cities-fear-ant/)

"The argument has some power because the dangers, for cops, are real. The possibility of violence is overwhelming."

“One of the most vulnerable times in our day is shift change,” Officer Virgilio, 31, says as he checks the route. “It’s a matter of avoiding certain patterns. Anybody who is trying to organize some sort of attack on police officers is going to do some sort of surveillance. They’re going to figure out when our shift changes are, they are going to figure out what doors we use to get in and out of the precinct. And it doesn’t take long to gather that type of intelligence.”

"Because there are so many guns out there, police officers are trained to live in fear of the very people they are supposed to protect and serve. Anytime a police officer pulls over a car, he or she must worry that the person inside that car will have a gun that could be turned on them. At training academies throughout the nation, new recruits are taught that cop-killers need two things: a will to kill and an opportunity to act. There's little an officer can do about will; anyone can have it without anyone else knowing. Officers can, however, limit the opportunities for a cop-killer to act by being prepared and quick to defend themselves."

" More police officers are being killed, because they’re hesitating more before pulling the trigger to defend themselves, [Chief Mark] Becker said.

That hesitation stems in part from pressure created by news media and community activists who are increasingly claiming police-involved shootings are racially motivated, he said.

“There’s a small fraction of people who want to come to judgment before knowing all the facts,” he said.

That public pressure is a factor as police officers make life-and-death decisions within seconds, he said. “That plays out in a police officer’s mind,” Becker said. ” ‘What do I do, what do I do?’ and then all of a sudden he’s getting shot.”"

Inner cities are a war zone.

You claimed to work in law enforcement in Tampa? Then you know there are areas the police don't go into alone.

Well, your posting was certainly overkill. I wasn't addressing you. I was showing the insane gleam in the eyes of Charles Manson. Did you miss the caption, "Charlie" or the reference to him in my previous post?

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On another subject, having worked for some period of time for every Sheriff of Hillsborough County (five different Sheriffs) from 1961 to 2010 (there were breaks for federal service and for owning my own business, and then retirement) I find your "You claimed to work in law enforcement in Tampa?" to be condescending and somewhat insulting.

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Carl in Tampa

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CARL

First, I could care less what the trolls on here call me or what snappy little names they come up with, nor do I care how many times you say I have a syndrome.

This weekend showed for sure, what I suspected. Those on here are my neighbors, but frankly, I share very little in common with them. This forum is all about white nationalists. They share a hate for Obama, not because of his policies, but because if his color. He is much more of a man that Trump will ever get close to being. They hate Clinton so much, they turn over the Oval to a man consumed with himself.

He is, and I have said this repeatedly, a very very mean spirited person who, in my opinion ranks our country well behind himself.

He has no desire to lead ALL the people, none whatsoever. He is self centered and I agree that background plays a role. He grew up in a Klan family, and throughout his life manifested that upbringing.

When he was elected, I felt a revulsion for the man, but an understanding that maybe he might be able to do something good that I might endorse. He has destroyed all chances for that.

He single handily screwed any hope, at least now, for health care revision. His obsession for hating people overrides any common sense. The time he should have been acting like a President and working the halls of congress, he was hate speaking, and leading Boy Scouts in loving chants.

You can tell me I have a syndrome....you can blame OBama and Clinton for every ill in the world....you can justify hating, whatever you want to do. You can FALSELY accuse our media of gross things, you can excuse whatever he says and does in anyway you want. He will do nothing for this country UNLESS it does something for him.

I disagreed with OBama and Clinton as much as all of you, but I never HATED them or anyone.

This forum has become a white nationalist haven.

America is NOT becoming great again with this President.

You want this rhetoric to stop.....tell it to the President.Pack your **** and move pussy

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[Carl in Tampa]

CARL

First, I could care less what the trolls on here call me or what snappy little names they come up with, nor do I care how many times you say I have a syndrome.

This weekend showed for sure, what I suspected. Those on here are my neighbors, but frankly, I share very little in common with them. This forum is all about white nationalists. They share a hate for Obama, not because of his policies, but because if his color. He is much more of a man that Trump will ever get close to being. They hate Clinton so much, they turn over the Oval to a man consumed with himself.

He is, and I have said this repeatedly, a very very mean spirited person who, in my opinion ranks our country well behind himself.

He has no desire to lead ALL the people, none whatsoever. He is self centered and I agree that background plays a role. He grew up in a Klan family, and throughout his life manifested that upbringing.

When he was elected, I felt a revulsion for the man, but an understanding that maybe he might be able to do something good that I might endorse. He has destroyed all chances for that.

He single handily screwed any hope, at least now, for health care revision. His obsession for hating people overrides any common sense. The time he should have been acting like a President and working the halls of congress, he was hate speaking, and leading Boy Scouts in loving chants.

You can tell me I have a syndrome....you can blame OBama and Clinton for every ill in the world....you can justify hating, whatever you want to do. You can FALSELY accuse our media of gross things, you can excuse whatever he says and does in anyway you want. He will do nothing for this country UNLESS it does something for him.

I disagreed with OBama and Clinton as much as all of you, but I never HATED them or anyone.

This forum has become a white nationalist haven.

America is NOT becoming great again with this President.

You want this rhetoric to stop.....tell it to the President.

Well, let's examine this.

1. Unless you have been given Coldnomore's password so you could sign in under that name, you can find no post where I have said that YOU have a syndrome.

2. On the other hand, THIS POSTING has so many of Coldnomore's characteristics, one might think you have shared your password so that Coldnomore can post under someone else's name.

3. It is nonsense to attribute the failure of the healthcare bill in the Senate to Trump. Sen. Murkowski in Alaska is a Liberal RINO who won't vote Conservative, and Sen. Paul of Kentucky is just stubborn and won't give in when he doesn't get his way.

4. Your paragraph laden with "you" accusing me of all kinds of attitudes and positions that I have never taken shows me that you are not completely in touch with reality.........which makes me think that you shared your password with Coldnomore.

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[Rockyrd]

Pack your **** and move pussy

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My comment was aimed at this forum.

You, and your ilk do not realize what a minority you are.

Majority. By far, of Villagers are not like you...actually speaking of YOU, I would say you and your limited vocabulary are extremely rare.

I assure you after many years here, Villagers are compassionate, warm, empathetic human beings. They do not condone or take part in hate speak, and certainly do not use the vulgar language which seems to identify you.

Just making it clear.....speaking of the forum, not The Villages.

[Rockyrd]

Well, let's examine this.

1. Unless you have been given Coldnomore's password so you could sign in under that name, you can find no post where I have said that YOU have a syndrome.

2. On the other hand, THIS POSTING has so many of Coldnomore's characteristics, one might think you have shared your password so that Coldnomore can post under someone else's name.

3. It is nonsense to attribute the failure of the healthcare bill in the Senate to Trump. Sen. Murkowski in Alaska is a Liberal RINO who won't vote Conservative, and Sen. Paul of Kentucky is just stubborn and won't give in when he doesn't get his way.

4. Your paragraph laden with "you" accusing me of all kinds of attitudes and positions that I have never taken shows me that you are not completely in touch with reality.........which makes me think that you shared your password with Coldnomore.

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Carl,

I recall you as a reasonable poster in the past. As was said about another poster earlier, you guys have turned.

If I offended you in any way, I always apologize. You infer that such a syndrome exists, which I think points to you losing touch with reality.

You can bow to Mr Trump...you may defend him, but he made ZERO effort on the health bill, and his attacks publicly instead of engaging in any adult conversation on the bill, and looking at it from a perspective of win or loss for HIM and nothing else. His interest was not our country.

I will stop...you obviously feel a bit above the fray...I don't. Not use to being called names or being verbally"spanked" because I do not share your feelings on Trump or using OBama and Clinton or media as a crutch for anything. You guys enjoy blaming anyone BUT Trump for everything, mostly based on color, avoiding his past, but mentioning everyone else.

I know you feel you are smart, and you probably are. I know you feel your background allows you some sort of privilege or insight (you sure mention it often) but obviously do not care what others might know or have done. That is important to you, so go for it.

I will never attack American institutions or hardworking public servants as our Presudent....does not mean (because I can feel another if your holier than thou sermons coming) that they do not merit criticism. I will never make a decision or judgement based in someone's skin color or heritage, and certainly do not believe in labeling.

But then again, I am not nearly as worldly as you, or as well informed, but heck Carl...I am white at least and an American.

PS..watching the weekend rally and hearing the chants of "we won you lost" surely were inspired by black people. Blacks certainly influenced someone to use a car as a lethal weapon. Was it Black lives matter or was it affirmative action ? Hard to tell. While you continue to try to justify seeking unfettered, unreasonable hate as a rebound from affirmative action or something else, I see the same thing as every violent hate riddled rally I ever saw..,for what it is in that moment. Your belief that people hate today within theses frameworks are because of how they may have been brought up, but ignore Trump coming from a family of Klan members is extraordinary in its selectiveness.

[Carl in Tampa]

Carl,

I recall you as a reasonable poster in the past. As was said about another poster earlier, you guys have turned.

If I offended you in any way, I always apologize. You infer that such a syndrome exists, which I think points to you losing touch with reality.

You can bow to Mr Trump...you may defend him, but he made ZERO effort on the health bill, and his attacks publicly instead of engaging in any adult conversation on the bill, and looking at it from a perspective of win or loss for HIM and nothing else. His interest was not our country.

I will stop...you obviously feel a bit above the fray...I don't. Not use to being called names or being verbally"spanked" because I do not share your feelings on Trump or using OBama and Clinton or media as a crutch for anything. You guys enjoy blaming anyone BUT Trump for everything, mostly based on color, avoiding his past, but mentioning everyone else.

I know you feel you are smart, and you probably are. I know you feel your background allows you some sort of privilege or insight (you sure mention it often) but obviously do not care what others might know or have done. That is important to you, so go for it.

I will never attack American institutions or hardworking public servants as our Presudent....does not mean (because I can feel another if your holier than thou sermons coming) that they do not merit criticism. I will never make a decision or judgement based in someone's skin color or heritage, and certainly do not believe in labeling.

But then again, I am not nearly as worldly as you, or as well informed, but heck Carl...I am white at least and an American.

You HAVE shared your password with Coldnomore !

Either that or you are acting in collusion with Coldnomore.

Just like Coldnomore, you are now basing your evaluation of me on what you think I implied. No go. I say what I mean.

Like Coldmore, you accuse me of defending Trump; a claim demonstrably contrary to fact.

Like Coldnomore, you are expressing resentment at the mention of my career background.

And, of course, like Coldnomore, you managed to slip in a couple of outright insults.

CONGRATULATIONS. You've made it.
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[Rockyrd]

You HAVE shared your password with Coldnomore !

Either that or you are acting in collusion with Coldnomore.

Just like Coldnomore, you are now basing your evaluation of me on what you think I implied. No go. I say what I mean.

Like Coldmore, you accuse me of defending Trump; a claim demonstrably contrary to fact.

Like Coldnomore, you are expressing resentment at the mention of my career background.

And, of course, like Coldnomore, you managed to slip in a couple of outright insults.

CONGRATULATIONS. You've made it.
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I am a bit tired of this.

You attack people for making insinuations about you, then attack with your own insinuations.

Not sure what you want...I even apologized to you if you were offended. Am I to agree with you, even if we disagree ? Is that what you want ?

You keep asking for people to suggest what changes need to be made. I gave you mine and the reasons a number of times. You simply ignore that, make a subtle mention of OBama, BLM and move on as if nothing was said. You have never spoken to my suggestions in any post.

About the only thing I have in common with Coldnomore is we share being called obscene names, not obscene, but demeaning names, having our sign in name used as a snappy little put down.

We also share being labeled, and most importantly to me....being verbally attacked with and without obscenity because we supply actual news items to make our point, and we share nobody actually ever responding to those links except to blame everything on the media even when they report actual words and actions.

That is what we share. You join the lecturers in here now, label anyone who finds Trump offensive and threatening with names and lecture based on nothing but blind loyalty. (That is my opinion..,do not give me your lecture on implication)

[ColdNoMore]

Well, let's examine this.

1. Unless you have been given Coldnomore's password so you could sign in under that name, you can find no post where I have said that YOU have a syndrome.

2. On the other hand, THIS POSTING has so many of Coldnomore's characteristics, one might think you have shared your password so that Coldnomore can post under someone else's name.

3. It is nonsense to attribute the failure of the healthcare bill in the Senate to Trump. Sen. Murkowski in Alaska is a Liberal RINO who won't vote Conservative, and Sen. Paul of Kentucky is just stubborn and won't give in when he doesn't get his way.

4. Your paragraph laden with "you" accusing me of all kinds of attitudes and positions that I have never taken shows me that you are not completely in touch with reality.........which makes me think that you shared your password with Coldnomore.

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Carl in Tampa



:1rotfl:

You really ARE showing your true colors and desperation...aren't you? :oops:

Your 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is what your fellow, and also formerly in the closet bigot/racist RubiTHECon...has been calling everyone that doesn't agree with his and now your views for a long time.

You do realize don't you, that it's not even original and is simply warmed over supposed... 'Bush Derangement Syndrome?'

That you pop up down here, start mimicking him in so many things including this supposed 'TDS', would make a decent person very suspicious...that you and he are one and the same.

RockyRd has been around, apparently using other names that he has been totally honest about, a whole lot longer than myself and I have a feeling that I would have sparred quite a bit with him on our views of Obama's policies (I liked more than I didn't like of them).

But the one thing I have never seen from Rocky, that I've seen from you and RubiTHECon (plus a whole lot of others), is the racism & bigotry that you've let out of the closet since Trump was elected.

He11, at least Baldwin/Larbud/Dirtbag/Etc. are upfront about themselves being racists, whereas the sneaky types like you and THECon...try to be a little more subtle/covert about it.

It sickens and roils real patriotic American citizens to even think so many of you racists/bigots/misogynists even exist...much less that you might have had some kind of authority over others in private business or law enforcement.

So you, RubiTHECon and the others go ahead and keep pretending that no one notices that deep down you're simply a more subtle white supremacist/racist/bigot.

I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings too much though, when those of us who care DO notice...and call you out for it. :ho:

[Carl in Tampa]

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See what I mean?

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[Wiotte]

Pack your **** and move pussy

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See what I mean?

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For those who do not recognize him, this is George Lincoln Rockwell, founder of the American Nazi Party.

He was very much a "true believer" who headed a "Stormtrooper Barracks" full of Brown Shirt "troopers" in Arlington, Virginia.

The Secret Service Protective Intelligence Division maintained periodic surveillance of the Barracks to identify new members of the group and evaluate their potential danger to the President.

On August 25, 1967, Rockwell was shot and killed while leaving a laundromat in Arlington, Virginia. John Patler, a former member of Rockwell's group, was convicted of the murder and served eight years in prison. Hearing of his son's death, Rockwell's 78-year-old father said: "I am not surprised at all. I've expected it for quite some time."

By coincidence, I was on a temporary assignment in the Intelligence Division at the time of the assassination, and watched the story unfold on local television. Several agents were dispatched to the scene of the murder to assist local police in investigating the case because we had extensive files on members of the group.

Amazingly, because Rockwell had an honorable discharge from the Navy, he was authorized to be buried in a National Military Cemetery. However, demonstrators prevented the hearse from entering the property, and later he was cremated.

Rockwell was an inspiration for David Duke, a current White Supremacist Leader (KKK,) who was in high school when Rockwell was killed.
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[rubicon]

A Swedish born skinhead now transformed into the respectability of a businessman showed up at Charlottesville in a smart suit, sun glasses and speaking to the news camera in his Johnny Cash bass tone.

David Friberg represents the media savvy faction of the white nationalist movement attempting to show their respectability and hence support for their cause

I believe the white nationalist are trying to hijack Trump's let's make America great movement to their nefarious agenda.

I believe the left is intentionally fueling that very thing in order to discredit Trump.

I believe that the American people will not buy into the nationalist propaganda. I believe the nation will demand a move back to just right of center.

I believe that the focus on white nationalist and Trump is a waste of time and our energies ought to be focused on dealing with the cause(s) that created this problem.

I believe that the only way to do this is to let our national leaders know that we are not buying into the left or right propaganda and that we simply desire a solution based on and in the manner our founders constructed.

Are there enough adults in the room to accomplish this simple task?

Personal Best Regards:

[Don Baldwin]

Well, your posting was certainly overkill. I wasn't addressing you. I was showing the insane gleam in the eyes of Charles Manson. Did you miss the caption, "Charlie" or the reference to him in my previous post?

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On another subject, having worked for some period of time for every Sheriff of Hillsborough County (five different Sheriffs) from 1961 to 2010 (there were breaks for federal service and for owning my own business, and then retirement) I find your "You claimed to work in law enforcement in Tampa?" to be condescending and somewhat insulting.

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Carl in Tampa

Didn't know that...it followed my post with no "quote"...thought you were insinuating I was a Manson. It set the tone for the entire reply.

My comment was aimed at this forum.

You, and your ilk do not realize what a minority you are.

Majority. By far, of Villagers are not like you...actually speaking of YOU, I would say you and your limited vocabulary are extremely rare.

I assure you after many years here, Villagers are compassionate, warm, empathetic human beings. They do not condone or take part in hate speak, and certainly do not use the vulgar language which seems to identify you.

Just making it clear.....speaking of the forum, not The Villages.

They also want to stay away from minorities.

Diversity destroys...always. Mandate 20% minorities in the villages and the "lifestyle" would end at the same time. It's what ALWAYS happens. There are NO diverse paradises.

A Swedish born skinhead now transformed into the respectability of a businessman showed up at Charlottesville in a smart suit, sun glasses and speaking to the news camera in his Johnny Cash bass tone.

David Friberg represents the media savvy faction of the white nationalist movement attempting to show their respectability and hence support for their cause

I believe the white nationalist are trying to hijack Trump's let's make America great movement to their nefarious agenda.

I believe the left is intentionally fueling that very thing in order to discredit Trump.

I believe that the American people will not buy into the nationalist propaganda. I believe the nation will demand a move back to just right of center.

I believe that the focus on white nationalist and Trump is a waste of time and our energies ought to be focused on dealing with the cause(s) that created this problem.

I believe that the only way to do this is to let our national leaders know that we are not buying into the left or right propaganda and that we simply desire a solution based on and in the manner our founders constructed.

Are there enough adults in the room to accomplish this simple task?

Personal Best Regards:

What this country NEEDS...is make America WHITE again...if we don't...it is lost.

[dirtbanker]

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...is the racism & bigotry that you've let out of the closet since Trump was elected.

It sickens and roils real patriotic American citizens to even think so many of you racists/bigots/misogynists even exist...

So you, RubiTHECon and the others go ahead and keep pretending that no one notices that deep down you're simply a more subtle white supremacist/racist/bigot.

I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings too much though, when those of us who care DO notice...and call you out for it.

Just a touch of hypocrisy from the dike that inferred people who do not speak good English were undocumented...



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[Rockyrd]

Didn't know that...it followed my post with no "quote"...thought you were insinuating I was a Manson. It set the tone for the entire reply.



They also want to stay away from minorities.

Diversity destroys...always. Mandate 20% minorities in the villages and the "lifestyle" would end at the same time. It's what ALWAYS happens. There are NO diverse paradises.



What this country NEEDS...is make America WHITE again...if we don't...it is lost.

Talk of The Villages Political forum uses the same language as stormtrooper.com, which is the leading white nationalist hate website in the country, or the world perhaps.

They use the same phrases......"trump derangement syndrome"....libtards, etc....all the same.

Calling for all white....lack of diversity.....ALL are keynotes of KKK and white nationalist groups.

Talk of the Villages Political Forum...

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A white nationalist website

"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."

Charles de Gaulle

[Don Baldwin]

Talk of The Villages Political forum uses the same language as stormtrooper.com, which is the leading white nationalist hate website in the country, or the world perhaps.

They use the same phrases......"trump derangement syndrome"....libtards, etc....all the same.

Calling for all white....lack of diversity.....ALL are keynotes of KKK and white nationalist groups.

Talk of the Villages Political Forum...

IS

A white nationalist website

"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."

Charles de Gaulle

What do you disagree with Rocky? ANY of my facts wrong? YOU found the "black villages"? You found a majority black/Hispanic country in the top 25?

Didn't think so...just more name calling by the ignorant...the willfully ignorant.