Time to protect the squares

[Chatbrat]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away

[Taltarzac725]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away

The Sumter County Sheriff has an office at Brownwood and I see patrols at Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing. A heavier police presence might be better as there are so many sidewalks and the like in all the Squares and streets around them but also many vehicles which could be used to counter against such an attack by a car or truck. Maybe the cops need to buy some Humvees to block potential attackers.

I think people looking out for another is the best recourse. If you see a neighbor or friend who is acting strangely find out what is going on with them carefully as not to further upset them.

And there are a lot of people carrying concealed weapons- retired police and military. These might be able to stop such an attacker. Be he/she doing this by vehicle, firearm or some kind of bomb.

[dewilson58]

Running over a bunch of 75 year olds is probably not a high priority attack.

Unless the Seniors are having sex in the square while getting run over, it wouldn't even make the news.

Next.

[Taltarzac725]

Running over a bunch of 75 year olds is probably not a high priority attack.

Unless the Seniors are having sex in the square while getting run over, it wouldn't even make the news.

Next.

I would not think that we would be much of a likely target for terrorists like with the Orlando, Nice, Berlin, Belgium, Boston or Barcelona attacks . But some ****ed off local might do something goaded by stuff that is in the news often. Or someone who is mentally ill and does this for whatever reason. Priscilla Ford - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_Ford) Or, just was a evil person like Priscilla Ford.

[Villager Joyce]

Running over a bunch of 75 year olds is probably not a high priority attack.

Unless the Seniors are having sex in the square while getting run over, it wouldn't even make the news.

Next.

Best. Best. Best. Answer. Yet. Ever.

[billethkid]

The cold reality of such attacks is they are isolated, unpredictable events.
Add to that TV is most likely not a high priority target.

Reality and practicality pretty much dictate where and what type prudent precautions be taken.....if any.

[Taltarzac725]

The cold reality of such attacks is they are isolated, unpredictable events.
Add to that TV is most likely not a high priority target.

Reality and practicality pretty much dictate where and what type prudent precautions be taken.....if any.

They are predictable IMHO. But the authorities are taking measures to stop many of what would be likely targets. And I will bet that the local police have trained for the event of something like this happening in the Villages area. We did have that plan of a shooting at a Charter School stopped by a kid telling his parents some other kids were planning something. We do need to be vigilant.

[Chatbrat]

They go for body count, not location--most people over the age of 75 would not survive and an injury count into the hundreds on a big Rocky & the Rollers nite would give them all the publicity they want

[Taltarzac725]

They go for body count, not location--most people over the age of 75 would not survive and an injury count into the hundreds on a big Rocky & the Rollers nite would give them all the publicity they want

I am pretty sure that the local police are aware of what might happen and have plans for such a contingency and how to stop it from happening.

[Zoom_xIA]

I think we just need to worry about somebody that shouldn't be driving hit the gas instead of the brake. We are WAY out of the interest of the kind of groups that have been attacked.

[graciegirl]

They go for body count, not location--most people over the age of 75 would not survive and an injury count into the hundreds on a big Rocky & the Rollers nite would give them all the publicity they want

I think that we should focus our worry HERE on drunk driving. She said. (Who doesn't drink anymore). She said,( annoyingly). (With a little tiny smirk.) (And a bit of a look.)

Yeah. And not using the podiums at night. And not making excuses for people who use the podiums at night. And if married people (married to each other) use the podiums at night, they should do it carefully and sneakily and soberly)

Next.

[Polar Bear]

They are predictable IMHO...
Dream on.

[Taltarzac725]

Dream on.

Targeting Barcelona was sadly predictable – Spain holds both historic and modern importance to jihadists (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/targeting-barcelona-sadly-predictable-spain-holds-historic/)

There are predictable targets-- parades with a lot of media coverage, buildings with historical significance, celebrities in the news, etc. There are just too many predictable targets for the cops to handle all of them.

Villages targets would probably be more prone to stemming from some kind of domestic problem that spilled over into the public arena or some kids who are bent on violence for some reason on another.

It would be foolish through to think that this could not happen in the Villages and I am sure that the police have been trained for such a horror happening here. They watch the news too.

[Chatbrat]

That's why they are successful--there is nothing predictable about them--Look @ those big red balls outside of Target--they're not there for decoration

[Dbinac]

Easy answer. Just stay home. Listen to music on Pandora. Have food delivered by Blue Apron and other things by Amazon. Watch golf instead of playing it. Pay the doctors to make house calls. Best to play it safe.

[Nucky]

Easy answer. Just stay home. Listen to music on Pandora. Have food delivered by Blue Apron and other things by Amazon. Watch golf instead of playing it. Pay the doctors to make house calls. Best to play it safe.

Love your post, it is perfect but you forgot one thing. Some posters give another nut a target by mentioning a specific target so they feel good while typing that spot but don't think about possibly helping to enable another incident. For as smart as some people claim to be sometimes they are not.

See something, say something. Be aware of your surroundings. Live your life. Don't enable these freaks by naming specific spots.:censored:

[autumnspring]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away

Throughout history, the price of safety is a loss of freedom.
I do not claim to have the answer, I just want all to be aware of the question.
Are we prepared for random stops requesting paperwork as the Germans and others did in WWII era?
Once we grant this kind of power it has and will be abused.

Someone suggested guns. I'm not anti gun BUT.
A legal gun owner will be concerned with innocent by standers. A terrorist will and does, pick a crowded spot
and he/she/it is prepared to, expects to, die in their chosen attack.

What has been lost since 9/11? What have we SPENT in terms of DOLLARS and in terms of lost FREEDOM

SOLUTION-I WISH I HAD ONE

HOPE-the terrorist WAR in Ireland went on for centuries till people rose to power and asked the question of why are we killing each other. Sadly it took centuries. With peace, both, "sides" are better off.

I have only questions-NO ANSWERS

[PJOHNS2654]

I think we just need to worry about somebody that shouldn't be driving hit the gas instead of the brake. We are WAY out of the interest of the kind of groups that have been attacked.

Such an incident occurred at Spanish Springs a number of years ago. I believe there was at least one fatality and several injuries.

[Chatbrat]

Forgot about the car that stopped @ Sonny's for a drink

[Chi-Town]

I feel safe at LSL with the 3 wheel Segway patrolling. A terrorist deterrent if I've ever seen one.

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[graciegirl]

Such an incident occurred at Spanish Springs a number of years ago. I believe there was at least one fatality and several injuries.

I think that there are any number of not likely situations that could cause injury of all kinds around here and that is how insurance people figure out the costs of their fees. From pretty likely to not likely. I think that we can only expect a reasonable amount of protection from things not too likely like terror attacks here in The Villages. We have had people who have lost consciousness behind the wheel and ran off the road and into structures and people. We all just need to try to keep ourselves aware of what is happening around us.

[jsw14]

I say>> Don't text & walk... Keep your head-up so U know what's go'in on around U....:thumbup:

[SFSkol]

"Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." - Philip K. Dick

[Wiotte]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc



Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets



We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away







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[rivaridger1]

There are many risks associated with living and I have to put this one on the list which includes being killed during an alien invasion. Frankly the odds are so high against its occurrence, why give it other then a passing thought ? I continue to be amazed with a society,which crushed Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire just 70 years ago, now trembling in its boots and restricting personal liberties at the thought of a terrorist attack.

[photo1902]

Easy answer. Just stay home. Listen to music on Pandora. Have food delivered by Blue Apron and other things by Amazon. Watch golf instead of playing it. Pay the doctors to make house calls. Best to play it safe.

I nominate you for"Best Post of the Day".

[dewilson58]

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One of your best posts.


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[Barefoot]

I feel safe at LSL with the 3 wheel Segway patrolling. A terrorist deterrent if I've ever seen one. :highfive:

[Barefoot]

Some posters give another nut a target by mentioning a specific target so they feel good while typing that spot but don't think about possibly helping to enable another incident.
Good point, if there are nuts around, please don't give them any ideas.

[golfing eagles]

Remember, most incidents in the US involved a shooter, and they picked gun free zones nearly 100% of the time. I don't carry and never will, but thank you to all the well trained Villagers who do, I certainly believe you are a deterrent to these clowns.
PS. Aim well and don't shoot me:22yikes::22yikes::22yikes:

[dewilson58]

Remember, most incidents in the US involved a shooter, and they picked gun free zones nearly 100% of the time. I don't carry and never will, but thank you to all the well trained Villagers who do, I certainly believe you are a deterrent to these clowns.
PS. Aim well and don't shoot me:22yikes::22yikes::22yikes:

If you hit the ground, I will remember Clint Eastwood in In the Line of Fire..............."Aim High".

[bdorman]

There are many risks associated with living and I have to put this one on the list which includes being killed during an alien invasion. Frankly the odds are so high against its occurrence, why give it other then a passing thought ? I continue to be amazed with a society,which crushed Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire just 70 years ago, now trembling in its boots and restricting personal liberties at the thought of a terrorist attack.

I agree with the first part of your statement regarding the chances of a terror attack in TV,

but let's not forget that we forced tens of thousands of people of Japanese descent (many of whom were US citizens) into "internment" camps for the duration of WWII. Just sayin' we didn't defeat Japan without exhibiting some local paranoia too.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You might take the time to notice that pretty much all of these terrorist attacks are taking place in big cities.

I feel pretty safe here and don't see the need for excessive barricades in our town squares.

[rubicon]

The last thing on my mind is concern that anywhere I go may be an ISIS target. Risk is inherent in life and for sure something is going to kill me someday

[graciegirl]

I agree with the first part of your statement regarding the chances of a terror attack in TV,

but let's not forget that we forced tens of thousands of people of Japanese descent (many of whom were US citizens) into "internment" camps for the duration of WWII. Just sayin' we didn't defeat Japan without exhibiting some local paranoia too.

We had been at war with Japan just before that happened.. I was a little, little girl but I remember that people were afraid, not paranoid, but afraid. They were afraid of German descendants too. I was a German descendant. You cannot start painting history differently later on. It happened. People were afraid. Now people are not. Your statement above is flawed, if you had lived then, you would have felt the same fear.

[Gpsma]

Lol...amazing what retirees with too much time on their hands worry about.

With all the armed seniors here...no self respecting terrorist would try to do a thing.

[Bogie Shooter]

The Sumter County Sheriff has an office at Brownwood and I see patrols at Spanish Springs and Sumter Landing. A heavier police presence might be better as there are so many sidewalks and the like in all the Squares and streets around them but also many vehicles which could be used to counter against such an attack by a car or truck. Maybe the cops need to buy some Humvees to block potential attackers.

I think people looking out for another is the best recourse. If you see a neighbor or friend who is acting strangely find out what is going on with them carefully as not to further upset them.

And there are a lot of people carrying concealed weapons- retired police and military. These might be able to stop such an attacker. Be he/she doing this by vehicle, firearm or some kind of bomb.
Yea, that seems to happen a lot.

[jsw14]

Lol...amazing what retirees with too much time on their hands worry about.

With all the armed seniors here...no self respecting terrorist would try to do a thing.

:ho: Too that :)

[Sandtrap328]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away

Don't forget protecting the outdoor restaurants like City Fire, Johnny Rockets, Redsauce, and Gators. Lots of Villagers eat and drink at those each night. Hope The Developer gets on that right away!

[BobandMary]

We live in pre-paradise! We may look like a soft target but so many of us are retired military or law enforcement. I feel totally safe and secure thanks to all of you!

[ColdNoMore]

The statistics are overwhelming.

If someone were truly concerned about the safety of those at the squares, and were unbiased without an agenda...they would be a strong advocate of ceasing to serve strong, cheap, 2 for 1 alcoholic beverages.

Especially given that a large % of those drinking, will be getting in an automobile/golf cart...soon after consuming said drinks. :shrug:

[HoosierPa]

That's why they are successful--there is nothing predictable about them--Look @ those big red balls outside of Target--they're not there for decoration

Agreed. It is only prudent to have some sort of barriers in place at the congested areas. There is nothing the "authorities" could do at this point to stop a speeding vehicle from driving right into a very congested area. It is not wise to bury your head in the sand.

[Wiotte]

This thread is ridiculous. Paranoia is not normal, nor are people that conceal carry. Absolutely nuts.


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[graciegirl]

The statistics are overwhelming.

If someone were truly concerned about the safety of those at the squares, and were unbiased without an agenda...they would be a strong advocate of ceasing to serve strong, cheap, 2 for 1 alcoholic beverages.

Especially given that a large % of those drinking, will be getting in an automobile/golf cart...soon after consuming said drinks. :shrug:

Anyone wanting to drink or smoke pot can readily buy it and do it at home. "Being unbiased and without an agenda" has little to do with selling liquor. It is a commodity that people want to buy and can buy in every place in this country. One can not govern peoples minds and legal choices. Seniors are not helpless children and will not allow others to make the decision for them what and when they can imbibe.

[ColdNoMore]

Anyone wanting to drink or smoke pot can readily buy it and do it at home. "Being unbiased and without an agenda" has little to do with selling liquor. It is a commodity that people want to buy and can buy in every place in this country. One can not govern peoples minds and legal choices. Seniors are not helpless children and will not allow others to make the decision for them what and when they can imbibe.

Go back and read the OP.

The thread is about keeping people 'safe' in the squares.

It's obvious where the supposed threat is implied to come from...and that is the bias/agenda.

Considering it is thousands of times more likely a person will be harmed by someone who has been drinking...I simply pointed out the obvious and inarguable statistics.

[Polar Bear]

...If someone were truly concerned about the safety of those at the squares, and were unbiased without an agenda...they would be a strong advocate of ceasing to serve strong, cheap, 2 for 1 alcoholic beverages...
What you call an "agenda", others call running a business in a free society.

You really want somebody else to be responsible for your behavior and not you? Give...me...a...break.

[Carl in Tampa]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away

Have you priced bollards? Especially the ones embedded in the ground to resist a moving vehicle?

$500 to $1,500 EACH is not unusual. And, for vehicle protection they must be spaced so close together that a vehicle cannot drive between them.

Now, plan positioning them for each approach to a Town Square. But wait! That's not enough. The last few attacks in Europe have involved vehicles driving down the pedestrian sidewalk for one or two blocks. Bollards along all the sidewalks around and approaching the squares? And, at the movie theaters.

Starting to see the dollar signs mount up?

How much increase are you willing to see added to your amenities fees to pay for all this? Or perhaps it could be paid for by a new bond assessment on every house in The Villages.

Not to mention the unsightly appearance of bollard everywhere.

[Barefoot]

This thread is ridiculous. Paranoia is not normal, nor are people that conceal carry. Absolutely nuts.

How much increase are you willing to see added to your amenities fees to pay for all this? Or perhaps it could be paid for by a new bond assessment on every house in The Villages. Not to mention the unsightly appearance of bollard everywhere.
I think there is a very small percentage of paranoid people who see fear everywhere.
I don't think the rest of us are willing to build barricades to protect ourselves against something that has a minuscule chance of happening. IMHO, we are better off spending our money on sinkhole insurance (and sinkholes rarely happen).

[Wiotte]

I think there is a very small percentage of paranoid people who see fear everywhere.
I don't think the rest of us are willing to build barricades to protect ourselves against something that has a minuscule chance of happening. We are better off spending our money on sinkhole insurance.


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Scary stuff, I'm going to bed now but before I do I'll check under it for monsters.


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[Taltarzac725]

Have you priced bollards? Especially the ones embedded in the ground to resist a moving vehicle?

$500 to $1,500 EACH is not unusual. And, for vehicle protection they must be spaced so close together that a vehicle cannot drive between them.

Now, plan positioning them for each approach to a Town Square. But wait! That's not enough. The last few attacks in Europe have involved vehicles driving down the pedestrian sidewalk for one or two blocks. Bollards along all the sidewalks around and approaching the squares? And, at the movie theaters.

Starting to see the dollar signs mount up?

How much increase are you willing to see added to your amenities fees to pay for all this? Or perhaps it could be paid for by a new bond assessment on every house in The Villages.

Not to mention the unsightly appearance of bollard everywhere.

Like your practical approach. I like having the retired armed cops around myself as long as they are still proficient in the use of firearms. They might be able to neutralize various threats to the Villages' squares. And the police are not far usually from events on the Squares and they could throw in some undercover people as well.

[biker1]

I suspect the more important issue is that barriers would not meet the Developer's marketing narrative, which is aimed at selling homes and attracting people to the businesses at the squares.

Have you priced bollards? Especially the ones embedded in the ground to resist a moving vehicle?

$500 to $1,500 EACH is not unusual. And, for vehicle protection they must be spaced so close together that a vehicle cannot drive between them.

Now, plan positioning them for each approach to a Town Square. But wait! That's not enough. The last few attacks in Europe have involved vehicles driving down the pedestrian sidewalk for one or two blocks. Bollards along all the sidewalks around and approaching the squares? And, at the movie theaters.

Starting to see the dollar signs mount up?

How much increase are you willing to see added to your amenities fees to pay for all this? Or perhaps it could be paid for by a new bond assessment on every house in The Villages.

Not to mention the unsightly appearance of bollard everywhere.

[Taltarzac725]

I suspect the more important issue is that barriers would not meet the Developer's marketing narrative, which is aimed at selling homes and attracting people to the businesses at the squares.

How about more statues?

Maybe they could put up more cows, horses and cowboys in Brownwood; Spanish ladies and the beaus in Spanish Springs along with more Morse people likenesses; and some alligator facsimiles along with 19th century FL people. Love to see what the magician who tossed the card into the ceiling at the Old Mill Playhouse looked like.

[biker1]

Barriers might be fine in front of the White House but erecting barriers in the Squares that suggests there is a concern about terrorism is inconsistent with selling homes. Just sayin ...

How about more statues?

Maybe they could put up more cows, horses and cowboys in Brownwood; Spanish ladies and the beaus in Spanish Springs along with more Morse people likenesses; and some alligator facsimiles along with 19th century FL people. Love to see what the magician who tossed the card into the ceiling at the Old Mill Playhouse looked like.

[Chi-Town]

The statistics are overwhelming.

If someone were truly concerned about the safety of those at the squares, and were unbiased without an agenda...they would be a strong advocate of ceasing to serve strong, cheap, 2 for 1 alcoholic beverages.

Especially given that a large % of those drinking, will be getting in an automobile/golf cart...soon after consuming said drinks. :shrug:A double call brand at happy hour is six bucks. Nicely sized and a good pour, but not cheap considering you are ordering it at a stand up kiosk.

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[Taltarzac725]

Barriers might be fine in front of the White House but erecting barriers in the Squares that suggests there is a concern about terrorism is inconsistent with selling homes. Just sayin ...

Statues of various Morses and people from the fictional history of each Square would probably sell more homes especially if they go with the themes of the Squares.

Those horns on the steer look rather dangerous though. You do not want sharp horns around drunken dancers.

[biker1]

The dangerous steer are on the edge of Brownwood down by 44. This is pretty far from where the drunken dancers are dancing. I think they are reasonably safe but we might want to ask the Developer to consider grinding down the points on those horns ;-). Tripping over the dog may also be an issue.

Statues of various Morses and people from the fictional history of each Square would probably sell more homes especially if they go with the themes of the Squares.

Those horns on the steer look rather dangerous though. You do not want sharp horns around drunken dancers.

[Chi-Town]

The dangerous steer are on the edge of Brownwood down by 44. This is pretty far from where the drunken dancers are dancing. I think they are reasonably safe but we might want to ask the Developer to consider grinding down the points on those horns ;-). Tripping over the dog may also be an issue.I remember thinking the fins on my '59 Chevy were a hazard. [emoji6]

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[Barefoot]

Those horns on the steer look rather dangerous though. You do not want sharp horns around drunken dancers.
I know you're being funny.
But if drunks are dancing out by the steers, they should worry more about traffic than sharp horns. :popcorn:

[Taltarzac725]

I know you're being funny.
But if drunks are dancing out by the steers, they should worry more about traffic than sharp horns. :popcorn:

Actually, I was talking about my modest proposal to put in statues on the three Squares to act as barriers for cars and trucks. Steers could be used on Paddock Square but without the horns you see near 44.

They could probably get a grant from the State for such art work. Especially if the art work also works as a barrier to traffic. Someone hitting the gas rather than the brakes is more likely IMHO than a terrorist attack. Or a mentally ill person using a vehicle as a weapon might happen here in the Villages.

They could put some statues of line dancers too. And maybe a few of the well known DJs at the Squares.

[Nucky]

Have you priced bollards? Especially the ones embedded in the ground to resist a moving vehicle?

$500 to $1,500 EACH is not unusual. And, for vehicle protection they must be spaced so close together that a vehicle cannot drive between them.

Now, plan positioning them for each approach to a Town Square. But wait! That's not enough. The last few attacks in Europe have involved vehicles driving down the pedestrian sidewalk for one or two blocks. Bollards along all the sidewalks around and approaching the squares? And, at the movie theaters.

Starting to see the dollar signs mount up?

How much increase are you willing to see added to your amenities fees to pay for all this? Or perhaps it could be paid for by a new bond assessment on every house in The Villages.

Not to mention the unsightly appearance of bollard everywhere.

I believe the person with the idea would be paying the entire tab for the upgrade. :popcorn:

[Barefoot]

I believe the person with the idea would be paying the entire tab for the upgrade.
i think it was Chatbrat that started this thread, and we know he has deep pockets! :evil6:

[Nucky]

i think it was Chatbrat that started this thread, and we know he has deep pockets! :evil6:

You probably are correct Mrs. Barefoot. I have found that the people who have crossed my path in life with the most money and deepest pockets were miserable because they had alligator arms and couldn't reach their funds to enjoy life.

We will never live in fear in TV'S, except the weather a little bit we left most of the feeling of fear behind us.

[Chatbrat]

You dont's have to have bollards, concrete planters would work- can't imagine a piece to 6" galvanized pipe filled with concrete and painted being that expensive

[NoMoSno]

Concrete planters every 6ft ringing the squares?....:undecided: No thanks.

What about when there are parades?
That would be a much easier target.

[Wiotte]

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Ridiculous, isn't it ?




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[John_W]

I received my concealed weapon permit in 2011, at that time Florida has issued 900,000. With a population of 19 million that meant about 1 in 20 was carrying. The latest I've seen is now we have 1.5 million concealed weapon permits, that's about 1 in 13. As someone posted earlier, we see these mass shooting in the states with strict gun laws, why, because they know only the people wearing a uniform is going to shoot back. In Florida, not the same, in fact with the military background of so many Villagers, I'm sure our quota is probably 1 in 10 is carrying. I think if someone were to try something at one of the squares they would be in serious jeopardy before the police ever arrived. The Pulse nightclub shooting is a perfect example of gun laws, that's one of the places a concealed carry permit is not allowed, a nightclub. I'm sure the shooter was aware of that.

[Chatbrat]

Police are minutes away, when seconds count--thats why I carry-got my CCW back in 95'

[Bogie Shooter]

I received my concealed weapon permit in 2011, at that time Florida has issued 900,000. With a population of 19 million that meant about 1 in 20 was carrying. The latest I've seen is now we have 1.5 million concealed weapon permits, that's about 1 in 13. As someone posted earlier, we see these mass shooting in the states with strict gun laws, why, because they know only the people wearing a uniform is going to shoot back. In Florida, not the same, in fact with the military background of so many Villagers, I'm sure our quota is probably 1 in 10 is carrying. I think if someone were to try something at one of the squares they would be in serious jeopardy before the police ever arrived. The Pulse nightclub shooting is a perfect example of gun laws, that's one of the places a concealed carry permit is not allowed, a nightclub. I'm sure the shooter was aware of that.

How do you know this?

[Carl in Tampa]

How do you know this?

His wife gave a statement after the shooting that she had taken him there multiple times to scout out the situation.

[Carl in Tampa]

You dont's have to have bollards, concrete planters would work- can't imagine a piece to 6" galvanized pipe filled with concrete and painted being that expensive

You get what you pay for.

Galvanized pipe will twist like a pretzel.

Steel pipe, buried at least three feet in the ground, with the pipe filled with concrete, is the standard to stop a truck.

If you made the foolhardy decision not to bury the bollards, but rather to simply bolt them to the concrete, you wouldn't have security.

And...........that's only the cost of the bollards. Getting them sunk into the ground by cutting hundreds of holes into concrete is very labor intensive and expensive.

Has anyone mentioned how unattractive a great mass of bollards looks? Yuk.

Why was the nightclub in Orlando targeted? Perhaps because it catered to homosexuals, a group that is particularly despised by Radical Muslim Terrorists.

I doubt that a community of old geezers gets much attention from Terrorists seeking targets.

[Gpsma]

Im more worried about the drunks driving inTV than any terrrorist attack.

[ColdNoMore]

Im more worried about the drunks driving inTV than any terrrorist attack.

:thumbup:

[Wiotte]

I'm worried because I worry too much about worrying. STOP THIS INSANITY
Our squares are safe between the hours of 09:00-21:00


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[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1437076]After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando-

Yes, I agree, bollards or other stops can be very effective.
And, I agree with you entirely, if we just stick our head in the sand then we are certainly likely to overlook the danger. It is there, it is all over as this country and the world is getting more liberal and loose and then " It won't happen to us!" Best to be prepared, for sure. I will write the office but who knows? Sort of like the smoker or the e pipe user who is saying that they will be spared of a disease etc.
bbbbbb :throwtomatoes:

[Wiotte]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1437076]After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando-

Yes, I agree, bollards or other stops can be very effective.
And, I agree with you entirely, if we just stick our head in the sand then we are certainly likely to overlook the danger. It is there, it is all over as this country and the world is getting more liberal and loose and then " It won't happen to us!" Best to be prepared, for sure. I will write the office but who knows? Sort of like the smoker or the e pipe user who is saying that they will be spared of a disease etc.
bbbbbb :throwtomatoes:

Mr.b6, there is a difference between sticking your head in the sand and living a quality of life based upon rational thinking. Seems like that small batch of global terrorists are getting to you. Relax and save your penmanship for another day.

[Taltarzac725]

We live under the benign dictatorship of the Morse Family here in the Villages. Whatever they decide kind of goes.

I see an attack as possible but highly improbable on one of the Villages' Squares unless it is while some dignitary is visiting. And the powers that be would be best to keep these kind of visits under the radar as much as possible. They do have a lot of security here too when VIPs visit.

[jsw14]

I'm worried because I worry too much about worrying. STOP THIS INSANITY
Our squares are safe between the hours of 09:00-21:00


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Sheeesh, I'm worried that U worry too much. Plus I can't stay-up that late anymore & I haven't been to the squares in a long time. chilout

[Chi-Town]

We live under the benign dictatorship of the Morse Family here in the Villages. Whatever they decide kind of goes.

I see an attack as possible but highly improbable on one of the Villages' Squares unless it is while some dignitary is visiting. And the powers that be would be best to keep these kind of visits under the radar as much as possible. They do have a lot of security here too when VIPs visit.Did you mean benevolent dictatorship? Benign would work too, I guess.

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[Barefoot]

[QUOTE=bbbbbb;1437754]
Mr.b6, there is a difference between sticking your head in the sand and living a quality of life based upon rational thinking. Seems like that small batch of global terrorists are getting to you. Relax and save your penmanship for another day.
:highfive:

[Taltarzac725]

Did you mean benevolent dictatorship? Benign would work too, I guess.

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Benign seems to fit more than benevolent.

[Yung Dum]

If you are getting paranoid about this, they win. If you want to spend your "Golden Years" worrying about things beyond your control, then you'll miss your "Golden Years". What will be, will be. Live and let live. And please clean up your dog poop. Peace!

[graciegirl]

If you are getting paranoid about this, they win. If you want to spend your "Golden Years" worrying about things beyond your control, then you'll miss your "Golden Years". What will be, will be. Live and let live. And please clean up your dog poop. Peace!

I do worry about Islamic terrorism. I just don't worry so much about The Villages being a target.

[skyking]

I am not an actuary but I suspect the odds in this community of getting run over by someone having a "medical event" far exceed the possibility of being hit by a truck driven by a terrorist.

[Sandtrap328]

I believe it was last year that a car jumped the curb across from the Lake Sumter Landing sales office when the driver hit the gas pedal instead of the brake.

The car was stopped by the large stone planter on the square's edge. Luckily, this was not at an entertainment time.

More planters or other decorative barriers would be a good addition to the squares for added protection against our own drivers - not terrorists.

[Chi-Town]

I believe it was last year that a car jumped the curb across from the Lake Sumter Landing sales office when the driver hit the gas pedal instead of the brake.

The car was stopped by the large stone planter on the square's edge. Luckily, this was not at an entertainment time.

More planters or other decorative barriers would be a good addition to the squares for added protection against our own drivers - not terrorists.You hear hitting the gas instead of the brake excuse in an aging population no matter where.you go. Decorative barriers....not a bad idea.

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[fourandrew]

The Morse Family won't even buy bins to recycle plastics and aluminum cans at the squares--do you think they would spend money on something where there is no monetary return for them?

[Taltarzac725]

The Morse Family won't even buy bins to recycle plastics and aluminum cans at the squares--do you think they would spend money on something where there is no monetary return for them?

They could have Megan Boone's husband/partner Dan Estabrook do some of the art work on the three squares that could double as barriers of some kind- statues of people you would expect to see in these fantasy places that have been created for the Villages. People like cowboys, saloon girls, merchants from the 1880s, magicians, etc. And that might put in quite more of a demand for Boone's partner's art. Dan Estabrook | Photography Artist | Jackson Fine Art (http://www.jacksonfineart.com/Dan-Estabrook.html)

Or they could promote some other artist's work and get money for doing that.

[graciegirl]

Four Andrew.

Yes. Yes I do.

[ColdNoMore]

I do worry about Islamic terrorism. I just don't worry so much about The Villages being a target.

I do worry about terrorism...from home-grown hate groups.

I just don't worry so much...about The Villages being a target.

[Carl in Tampa]

The Morse Family won't even buy bins to recycle plastics and aluminum cans at the squares--do you think they would spend money on something where there is no monetary return for them?

Recycling is not worth the trouble and expense. It costs more to recycle than to throw things away. Recycling has been a "feel good" exercise for decades, but is now losing its appeal.

A study in New York City showed that glass, metal and plastic recycling costs New York $240 per ton, almost double what it costs to just throw it away.

Perhaps the "Morse Family" realizes that at the Squares the public would negligently throw ordinary trash into recycle bins making the contents ineligible for running through the recycle machinery.

But, there are always some people who prefer to think the worst of the "Morse Family."

[bluedivergirl]

Whenever the squares are crowded, they are surrounded by parked motor vehicles. Pretty effective no-cost to The Villages barriers.
Also, I have seen signs prohibiting trucks at the squares. A truck would stick out like a sore thumb.

[biker1]

That its only half the story. It is worthwhile to recycle aluminum, paper, and cardboard. Plastic and glass is more problematic.

Recycling is not worth the trouble and expense. It costs more to recycle than to throw things away. Recycling has been a "feel good" exercise for decades, but is now losing its appeal.

A study in New York City showed that glass, metal and plastic recycling costs New York $240 per ton, almost double what it costs to just throw it away.

Perhaps the "Morse Family" realizes that at the Squares the public would negligently throw ordinary trash into recycle bins making the contents ineligible for running through the recycle machinery.

But, there are always some people who prefer to think the worst of the "Morse Family."

[Taltarzac725]

Whenever the squares are crowded, they are surrounded by parked motor vehicles. Pretty effective no-cost to The Villages barriers.
Also, I have seen signs prohibiting trucks at the squares. A truck would stick out like a sore thumb.

The corners also have those liquor sellers and other barriers. I suppose there might be a few approaches that could use some kind of hindrance to vehicular traffic.

[graciegirl]

I do worry about terrorism...from home-grown hate groups.

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According to the Southern Poverty Center there are between five and eight thousand KKK members in the U.S. That would be five to eight thousand too many for me and most of us. I can't see them coming here, can you? Is that who you meant? Or did you mean the awful people who try to kill police officers?

number of kkk members today - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=number+of+kkk+members+today&form=EDGHPT&qs=HS&cvid=ea3b042516d641798e2670de10cd0d85&cc=US&setlang=en-US&PC=DCTS)

[ColdNoMore]

According to the Southern Poverty Center there are between five and eight thousand KKK members in the U.S. That would be five to eight thousand too many for me and most of us. I can't see them coming here, can you? Is that who you meant? Or did you mean the awful people who try to kill police officers?

number of kkk members today - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=number+of+kkk+members+today&form=EDGHPT&qs=HS&cvid=ea3b042516d641798e2670de10cd0d85&cc=US&setlang=en-US&PC=DCTS)

I meant ALL home-grown hate-groups...not just the KKK.

In the Aryan Brotherhood alone...there are an estimated 10,000 members.

Aryan Brotherhood - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Brotherhood)The Aryan Brotherhood, also known as the Brand, or the AB, is a white supremacist prison gang and organized crime syndicate in the United States with about 10,000 members in and out of prison.

And while the average number of members for the other 900+ hate-groups the SPLC keeps track of are probably less than the AB...it's still a significant amount.

Hate Map | Southern Poverty Law Center (https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map)917 = Hate Groups currently operating in the US. Track them below with our Hate Map.


And for the record, I abhor ANY "awful people" that calls for killing cops...or anyone else for that matter.

But don't get confused by the fact that just because there might be a minuscule number of people in a group calling for something...that means the entire group/organization feel the same way.


In other words, it's easy to get fooled by things like this.

Black Lives Matter Protesters Chant for 'Dead Cops Now' in Baton Rouge (http://www.snopes.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-for-dead-cops-now-in-baton-rouge/)


But as I was saying, the 900+ home-grown hate-groups... are very unlikely to target The Villages.

[Casper'smom]

Seems my life has been threatened more since I moved to TV!! 😂 People have nooo patience, quick to curse you, and many have way too big a sense of entitlement...guess they pay/they own!!
Cursed b c my card malfunctioned at the gate, before I could push the RED button, was spoken to rudely b c I had my dog on a leash in the open field...that is NOT a legitimate dog park...selfmade!! I was NOT worried about MY dog I was worried about YOUR 3!!! And yes...it is fenced..but duh...any dog could go thru that type of fencing n being new n in an unfamiliar place...I thought leash law was the best for me n my dog...albeit I was one of many helping hunt a lost, leash less dog! How did THAT happen?? Ohhhh the coyotes!!! Then I was cursed at n flipped "the bird" b c YOU can't run the speed limit n floored it as I was attempting to turn in my drive...so sorry my blinker WAS on but cut off as I got straight n was unable to get it back on to turn into my drive before you gave me an "enema"...I say this in jest...because always a few rotten apples..MOST here are nice!! Some I feel you may read about when some asshat makes them go postal for being so impatient!! I thought you all were retired!! What is your big hurry?? Stop n smell the roses/coffee or my tail pipes if you run 50 mph thru the neighborhoods!!!
Be ye kind to one another!!!
Side note:constant complainers who hate everything AND everyone...hmmm YOU chose The Villages...They did not choose YOU!! They build house in every state...leave??? 😐 idk the answer for you guys!! I also agree with the gentleman's statement...pick up your animal's poop!!! Plus...when walking the neighborhood...don't let them use our yard!!! You might get it delivered BACK to your door!!!
✌️ Love thy Neighbor❤️ or not!!

[Boomer]

Seems my life has been threatened more since I moved to TV!! ������ People have nooo patience, quick to curse you, and many have way too big a sense of entitlement...guess they pay/they own!!
Cursed b c my card malfunctioned at the gate, before I could push the RED button, was spoken to rudely b c I had my dog on a leash in the open field...that is NOT a legitimate dog park...selfmade!! I was NOT worried about MY dog I was worried about YOUR 3!!! And yes...it is fenced..but duh...any dog could go thru that type of fencing n being new n in an unfamiliar place...I thought leash law was the best for me n my dog...albeit I was one of many helping hunt a lost, leash less dog! How did THAT happen?? Ohhhh the coyotes!!! Then I was cursed at n flipped "the bird" b c YOU can't run the speed limit n floored it as I was attempting to turn in my drive...so sorry my blinker WAS on but cut off as I got straight n was unable to get it back on to turn into my drive before you gave me an "enema"...I say this in jest...because always a few rotten apples..MOST here are nice!! Some I feel you may read about when some asshat makes them go postal for being so impatient!! I thought you all were retired!! What is your big hurry?? Stop n smell the roses/coffee or my tail pipes if you run 50 mph thru the neighborhoods!!!
Be ye kind to one another!!!
Side note:constant complainers who hate everything AND everyone...hmmm YOU chose The Villages...They did not choose YOU!! They build house in every state...leave??? ������ idk the answer for you guys!! I also agree with the gentleman's statement...pick up your animal's poop!!! Plus...when walking the neighborhood...don't let them use our yard!!! You might get it delivered BACK to your door!!!
✌️ Love thy Neighbor❤️ or not!!

We are in SC right now -- awaiting 2-plus minutes of totality tomorrow. This morning, we went to a lovely church service that ended with singing "Let There Be Peace On Earth.......and let it begin with me"......(That song always makes me have tears......but I digress.)

So anyway, on our way back to where we are staying, we passed a church that had a sign in the yard that said, "Turn Off the News and Love Thy Neighbor." (sigh)

[Barefoot]

We are in SC right now -- awaiting 2-plus minutes of totality tomorrow. This morning, we went to a lovely church service that ended with singing "Let There Be Peace On Earth.......and let it begin with me"......(That song always makes me have tears......but I digress.) So anyway, on our way back to where we are staying, we passed a church that had a sign in the yard that said, "Turn Off the News and Love Thy Neighbor." (sigh)

Boomer, you are always a breath of fresh air.

[John_W]

Whenever the squares are crowded, they are surrounded by parked motor vehicles. Pretty effective no-cost to The Villages barriers.
Also, I have seen signs prohibiting trucks at the squares. A truck would stick out like a sore thumb.

That's a good point about the parked cars and golf carts around the square, you can't find a spot to park once the band starts, so how can a terrorist drive a vehicle into the square.

Although I have to say, people sometimes let their stupidity get ahead of their curiosity. About 3 years ago I was at LSL and one of the good bands was playing and it was high season and the place was packed. A brand new Chevrolet either a Cruze or Malibu, or similar was on the street stopped at the light between City Fire and the first beer hut. For some reason the car caught on fire, and you would not believe the crowd that gathered, very closely I would say to the car. I'm standing over by Johnny Rockets, far enough away I felt safe and with probably 100 people between me and the car. I'm thinking any minute the gas tank is going to blow and there is some guy trying to get his suit cases and stuff out of the trunk and back seat. The flames are very hot, and within a minute a fire truck is pulling up and douses the car without the gas tank blowing. Just another day at The Villages.

[HoosierPa]

[QUOTE=John_W;1438112]That's a good point about the parked cars and golf carts around the square, you can't find a spot to park once the band starts, so how can a terrorist drive a vehicle into the square.


Just take a good look at all 3 and you will see.

[Barefoot]

This thread is ridiculous. Paranoia is not normal, nor are people that conceal carry. Absolutely nuts.
I think Wiotte is right.

[Wiotte]

Is paranoia increasing? | The Psychologist (https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-22/edition-7/paranoia-increasing)

I'm immune due to my chronic cynicism.


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[OhioBuckeye]

Well I wouldn't get to paranoid about this. Putting heavy planters around the sq. where people are dancing would probably protect us but I think if anyone would want to kill a bunch of people here they would do better planning & figure out how to do something around the Gazebo. Besides do you really think this is what a terrorist or a nut case wants to do is to kill a bunch of senior citizens.I would think they would rather hit the Super Bowl where's there's 10's of thousands of people. Don't get to worked up about us here in TV. I'm sure TV's board isn't going to put a lot of money in the square. I'm sure the odds of that happening here is like winning the lottery.

[graciegirl]

Is paranoia increasing? | The Psychologist (https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-22/edition-7/paranoia-increasing)

I'm immune due to my chronic cynicism.


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Well Wiotte,
Were you aware of the recent van killings by a terrorist cell in Barcelona? I don't think The Villages is a target, but I do think Isis hates Americans a lot. I don't think I am paranoid about terrorists, I think I am a realist. I don't think that extreme Islam is focused on us here in The Villages. I won't EVER forget nine eleven.

[Taltarzac725]

Well Wiotte,
Were you aware of the recent van killings by a terrorist cell in Barcelona? I don't think The Villages is a target, but I do think Isis hates Americans a lot. I don't think I am paranoid about terrorists, I think I am a realist. I don't think that extreme Islam is focused on us here in The Villages. I won't EVER forget nine eleven.

It is not ISIS which has been doing most of these attacks of late. It is some alienated teenager or twenty something who has been poisoned by their propaganda online and then ISIS takes credit after these murderous attacks. A good counter of this is for people to keep track of their neighbors especially ones who are the targets of bullies or whom are alienated from others for some reason. If you see someone being bullied put out a friendly hand to the victim of this sociopathic behavior.

[Wiotte]

Well Wiotte,

Were you aware of the recent van killings by a terrorist cell in Barcelona? I don't think The Villages is a target, but I do think Isis hates Americans a lot. I don't think I am paranoid about terrorists, I think I am a realist. I don't think that extreme Islam is focused on us here in The Villages. I won't EVER forget nine eleven.



Yes, I know about the Barcelona attack and wouldn't feel uncomfortable visiting there. I know about the London and Paris attacks and feel the same. September 11th still troubles me and I admit would not feel at ease being in Manhattan at an time. Too many people, too many buildings with no egress other than tunnel or bridge. I can't afford my own helicopter and pad.


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[Taltarzac725]

Want to prevent lone wolf terrorism? Promote a 'sense of belonging' (http://theconversation.com/want-to-prevent-lone-wolf-terrorism-promote-a-sense-of-belonging-63487)

Promoting a "sense of belonging". Something all of us can do. A lot of this amounts to being a good Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc.

The work of policymakers, then, is to figure out how to prevent these individuals from acting impulsively, on the basis of some unpredictable trigger. My sense is that the only way to do this is to build a sense of belonging that will prevent them from feeling destructive. If they feel alienated from their society and feel they don’t belong there, then they can also feel that other people deserve to suffer or die.

Following the logic of this approach, we can try to figure out which actions serve to reinforce belonging and which hinder it and then develop policies that build on the positive rather than the purely negative.

[jeriteri]

I guess it wouldn't bother me if the protection was installed at the squares. Better now than after the fact. No one knows where the next attack may come. Always be vigilant and report anything that may be suspect. The law enforcement are waiting for those type of calls. On the other hand, the square protectors will not stop a backpack attack, so watchful eyes may help there. Hopefully our gate people have been trained to watch for certain suspect vehicles and people that they would be able to report them prior to any attack. It is so sad that our country has come to this way of life. So much has changed since we were kids.

[IndianaJones]

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[jsw14]

OK, I say take a deep breath & grab yourself a cup of coffee, tea, soda, glass of milk, beer, or a stiff drink. Awwww, I feel much better now.......

[graciegirl]

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[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Wiotte View Post

This thread is ridiculous. Paranoia is not normal, nor are people that conceal carry. Absolutely nuts.

I think Wiotte is right.

About what? First, although I don't think this thread is ridiculous, I don't personally feel that the odds of attack merit any of the proposed solutions, at least, not at this particular time (who knows what the future may hold). As far as his second statement regarding paranoia not being normal, by its very definition, his statement is superfluous. But, most importantly, to link paranoia to persons who conceal carry and call them "absolutely nuts" is not even worthy of an intelligent retort to such delusional thinking! He should be so lucky as to never need the courage and foresight of a permit holder when his life may be in peril!

Lastly, what some folks view as paranoia, some others view as situational awareness, a skill set which could keep one around longer to enjoy the fruits of one's labor ... just sayin' :icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

To me, this thread is simply a transparency into how you voted.

[Chatbrat]

When I was in the Navy and owned my own business--I felt personally responsible and made sure no-one got hurt on my watch and it happened not one cent was ever paid for workers comp and never had to make any injury reports

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by Wiotte View Post



This thread is ridiculous. Paranoia is not normal, nor are people that conceal carry. Absolutely nuts.



I think Wiotte is right.



About what? First, although I don't think this thread is ridiculous, I don't personally feel that the odds of attack merit any of the proposed solutions, at least, not at this particular time (who knows what the future may hold). As far as his second statement regarding paranoia not being normal, by its very definition, his statement is superfluous. But, most importantly, to link paranoia to persons who conceal carry and call them "absolutely nuts" is not even worthy of an intelligent retort to such delusional thinking! He should be so lucky as to never need the courage and foresight of a permit holder when his life may be in peril!



Lastly, what some folks view as paranoia, some others view as situational awareness, a skill set which could keep one around longer to enjoy the fruits of one's labor ... just sayin' :icon_wink:



Well, you are just confirming my thoughts. I don't spend my days thinking that someone is out to harm me. That in and of itself is paranoid thinking. Any civilian that feels the need to conceal carry because of some unspecified threat they think they will encounter is as I said before is nuts. Just plain nuts to carry a weapon. To have such a state of mind is completely foreign to me. That may or
may not be an intelligent answer for you, I really don't care. Live or think anyway you want.


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[graciegirl]

Well, you are just confirming my thoughts. I don't spend my days thinking that someone is out to harm me. That in and of itself is paranoid thinking. Any civilian that feels the need to conceal carry because of some unspecified threat they think they will encounter is as I said before is nuts. Just plain nuts to carry a weapon. To have such a state of mind is completely foreign to me. That may or
may not be an intelligent answer for you, I really don't care. Live or think anyway you want.


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I don't feel the need to be armed. No one in my house does either. However I do support the right to do so, because real dangers change and change quickly. I feel safe here in The Villages and have felt safe all of my life in Ohio. But when the bad guys have guns, I feel rather good knowing that almost all of my neighbors have guns and know how to use them. Now just to stay on the right side of my neighbors.

[maryloubaker]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away
So agree!

[dewilson58]

I don't feel the need to be armed. No one in my house does either. However I do support the right to do so, because real dangers change and change quickly. I feel safe here in The Villages and have felt safe all of my life in Ohio. But when the bad guys have guns, I feel rather good knowing that almost all of my neighbors have guns and know how to use them. Now just to stay on the right side of my neighbors.

GG..............I just ignored the Wio post. "Unfortunately", I've had to use my CC right and remove it from its holster and fire it. Fortunately it was the right thing to do, I've been told I saved lives, and was told by law enforcement it was justified. If some want to think it's nuts, or I'm nuts, they don't bother me or the two who thank me every year on the anniversary. Hope it doesn't happen again.

[Ksalt31452]

I disagree with those who think mowing down a group of someone's parents/grandparents is not a high priority target for terrorists/a lone madman. I'm sure the teenagers who were attacked in Manchester UK and all the random innocents would agree. Rather than assuming anything, we inside The Bubble should be prudent in protecting ourselves.

[Casper'smom]

I am in SC as well. Did not specifically come for viewing the Eclipse but an added bonus...😎 Once I acquired the needed glasses to view!

[Clydles1]

Seriously people??? Come on. There are a thousand places i can think of and TV doesn't even rate a second look. ISIS and other terrorist are looking for headlines and running over a bunch of seniors wouldn't even warrant a news crew. Maybe the announcement the next day on TV's radio station would say "it wasn't a great day in TV but there's always tomorrow."

[Susan Schonfeld]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away
WHy couldn't the Villages be completely gated like The Top of The world Community...they should have done this from the beginning of time. EVen if they allowed outsiders to the squares, etc. they would have a record of everyone driving through. THis is something that should be seriously discussed with the Morse family.

[Sandtrap328]

The protective decorative planters at the squares sound like a decent idea. Not too many would be needed.

Now, this is NOT for protection against terrorists driving onto the crowded squares. It would be MUCH MUCH more likely that a person parking by the square would accidentally hit the gas pedal instead of the brake.

[Sandtrap328]

WHy couldn't the Villages be completely gated like The Top of The world Community...they should have done this from the beginning of time. EVen if they allowed outsiders to the squares, etc. they would have a record of everyone driving through. THis is something that should be seriously discussed with the Morse family.

For one thing, a completely gated community means you own all the streets within the gates and have to pay for all upkeep. With the miles and miles of streets behind gates in The Villages, that would mean much higher monthly fees.

[MDLNB]

OR............maybe they could just discontinue Village Square entertainment so that no one could be run over, shot or stabbed. Wow! The terrorists have already won their battle by scaring you all. That is the whole point of terrorism is to a put fear into their enemy so that we become a police state.

Don't expect someone else to protect you. Take control of your own life and do whatever you feel safe doing.

[jsw14]

OR............maybe they could just discontinue Village Square entertainment so that no one could be run over, shot or stabbed. Wow! The terrorists have already won their battle by scaring you all. That is the whole point of terrorism is to a put fear into their enemy so that we become a police state.

Don't expect someone else to protect you. Take control of your own life and do whatever you feel safe doing.

I'll drink a BEER too that......... :beer3:

[John_W]

WHy couldn't the Villages be completely gated like The Top of The world Community...they should have done this from the beginning of time. EVen if they allowed outsiders to the squares, etc. they would have a record of everyone driving through. THis is something that should be seriously discussed with the Morse family.

My parents lived from 1983 to 1998 in a completely gated community, Timber Pines in Spring Hill Florida about 60 miles southwest of here on the Gulf coast. No one enters without a sticker on their car and if you're visiting someone they must leave word at the gate for them to be let in, or the gate attendants will call your home to seek approval and if no answer, they don't enter.

The difference is Timber Pines is 2.3 square miles with two gates, and the second gate wasn't added until the community was established about 15 years. The 2010 population of Timber Pines was 5,400. As you can see the population and square miles of TV dwarfs this smaller community. The biggest difference is they have no retail businesses inside the walls of Timber Pines. Can you imagine the restaurants and retail stores at our squares and rec center and golf course employees getting to their jobs, not to mention all the contractors whether landscaping or home improvement getting clearance into TV. It would be a monumental task and would have to be handled like a large military base, essentially 1 or 2 main gates for everyone to enter and exit.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Wiotte View Post

This thread is ridiculous. Paranoia is not normal, nor are people that conceal carry. Absolutely nuts.

I think Wiotte is right.

About what? First, although I don't think this thread is ridiculous, I don't personally feel that the odds of attack merit any of the proposed solutions, at least, not at this particular time (who knows what the future may hold). As far as his second statement regarding paranoia not being normal, by its very definition, his statement is superfluous. But, most importantly, to link paranoia to persons who conceal carry and call them "absolutely nuts" is not even worthy of an intelligent retort to such delusional thinking! He should be so lucky as to never need the courage and foresight of a permit holder when his life may be in peril!

Lastly, what some folks view as paranoia, some others view as situational awareness, a skill set which could keep one around longer to enjoy the fruits of one's labor ... just sayin' :icon_wink:

Well, I hope some day when the unthinkable happens around you, and a person with a conceal carry stops that unthinkable event, you take a moment to praise him/her for saving you or your loved ones life.

We are the people that you want around when the "crap hits the fan" (unless you have your own personal bodyguard).

[Dennys37Packard]

I for one think we are towards the bottom of the target chain. We can't stop "crazy" crap from happening in this world and if we start barricading ourselves up like cowards, then they have won to a point without lifting a finger. I agree there are FAR more places that would get more attention. Maybe we better not have landscapers, they could be up to something... Maybe we better not have golf carts anymore, they could run them over easily... Maybe we better shutter the Churches and Synagogues, cause there are real targets... Maybe shut down the golf courses... They might be mined... Maybe you better not go on any trips or cruises, cause that's scared....Enjoy what time you have left here on earth, go enjoy what TV has to offer, (isn't that why you moved here in the first place) and go to happy hour and if you see a policeman in town, thank them. You can't control the world.

[jeriteri]

Whenever the squares are crowded, they are surrounded by parked motor vehicles. Pretty effective no-cost to The Villages barriers.
Also, I have seen signs prohibiting trucks at the squares. A truck would stick out like a sore thumb.

So they criminal takes one of the spots early, then jumps the curb and kills 50 people and injures 70.

[Taltarzac725]

So they criminal takes one of the spots early, then jumps the curb and kills 50 people and injures 70.

I doubt if the Squares would be the target of someone who studies them and then carefully plans and executes an attack. Probably someone going off the deep end and is in that area at that time. All those parked cars and multiple gold carts per spot would act as a metal barrier.

[yabbadu]

I will not stop living awaiting crazy people to take it away!

[bluedivergirl]

So they criminal takes one of the spots early, then jumps the curb and kills 50 people and injures 70.

It could happen. It would have to be a pickup, not one of the larger trucks favored by terrorists. The larger truck would come to the attention of the police.

I do think it is extremely unlikely. I'm pragmatic; there are thousands of things that could happen. I weigh the odds and go on with life. :thumbup:

[biker1]

I am pretty sure that neither the Developer nor the vast majority of the residents wants The Villages gated. How can I say this? If the Developer wanted The Villages to be gated he would have created a gated community. If the residents wanted to live in a gated community they would have bought in a gated community. Regardless, it could never happen retroactively for a variety of logistical, financial, and legal reasons. Everyone who bought here knew, or should have known, that The Villages is not a gated community. If you really want to live in a gated community there a lot of them around. I have lived in a gated community and the grass is always greener on the other side ;-)

WHy couldn't the Villages be completely gated like The Top of The world Community...they should have done this from the beginning of time. EVen if they allowed outsiders to the squares, etc. they would have a record of everyone driving through. THis is something that should be seriously discussed with the Morse family.

[CFrance]

That's why they are successful--there is nothing predictable about them--Look @ those big red balls outside of Target--they're not there for decoration
I think you could drive a semi through those big red balls!

[bella2272]

I totally agree with you. I hope The Villages management will take note.

[Wiotte]

Build a wall around it, the Water Oaker's will pay for it.


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[Bay Kid]

The sky is falling

[Taltarzac725]

Saw about six police officers yesterday dealing with a woman in the CR466 Walmart parking lot. She had handcuffs on and was talking to the police. Not sure what was going on. I was not about to ask. I did notice that they gave her a drink of bottled water.

They have a pretty quick response to stuff given how many different police forces are around-- Lady Lake, Fruitland Park, Wildwood, Sumter County, Lake County, Marion County, the Florida Highway Patrol, etc.

I think they know what they are doing here and do keep tabs on people who might be a threat in some way. Best thing we can do is if we see something off, contact the police. Use your cell phone to record stuff.

[dillywho]

WHy couldn't the Villages be completely gated like The Top of The world Community...they should have done this from the beginning of time. EVen if they allowed outsiders to the squares, etc. they would have a record of everyone driving through. THis is something that should be seriously discussed with the Morse family.

There ARE cameras at the gates.

[Chatbrat]

Cameras don't prevent a thing, all they do is aid in apprehension

[billethkid]

Maybe we help the perspective with this scenario.

It is significantly more likely you will be killed or maimed on the roadways, highways and MMP (:angel:).

Yet every day and multiple times per day we all take on that risk automatically without much thought about not coming back. And while there are rules and laws that help govern vehicle traffic the roadway slaughter continues day after day. With no calling out of additional measures to protect us from such an event.

Long and short of it? If they are not fortifying Times Square and the visitor traffic is no less than it ever was......then we are all as snug as a bug in a rug here in TV.

PERSPECTIVE!!!!

[Barefoot]

I am pretty sure that neither the Developer nor the vast majority of the residents wants The Villages gated. How can I say this? If the Developer wanted The Villages to be gated he would have created a gated community. If the residents wanted to live in a gated community they would have bought in a gated community. Regardless, it could never happen retroactively for a variety of logistical, financial, and legal reasons. Everyone who bought here knew, or should have known, that The Villages is not a gated community. If you really want to live in a gated community there a lot of them around. I have lived in a gated community and the grass is always greener on the other side ;-)Excellent perspective, thanks Biker.

[CowBubba]

We moved here because we thought it was a safe place for old folks. I hope some of the posts here are an exaggeration.

[Barefoot]

We moved here because we thought it was a safe place for old folks. I hope some of the posts here are an exaggeration.
The sky is not falling. Don't worry, you made the right decision.
It's a VERY safe place for old folks. Lots of us live here happily and without worry.

[Polar Bear]

The sky is not falling. Don't worry, you made the right decision.
It's a VERY safe place for old folks. Lots of us live here happily and without worry.
What Barefoot said. :)

[jsw14]

After the events in Europe, IMHO our town squares should have bollards or heavy planters to prevent vehicles from entering the center of the squares where people dance , etc

Also, protective bollards should be erected to protect the entrances and box offices of the theaters where people line up to purchase tickets

We are very, very vulnerable-remember a terror attack happened in Orlando- 1 hour away

NAW, I don't believe That for 1 minute......Live'in Worry Free in Springdale :wave:

[billethkid]

We moved here because we thought it was a safe place for old folks. I hope some of the posts here are an exaggeration.

It may be difficult to do sometimes but ignore the one percent sky is falling alarmists!!

The other 99% of us know this is the safest place we have ever lived.

[CowBubba]

It may be difficult to do sometimes but ignore the one percent sky is falling alarmists!!

The other 99% of us know this is the safest place we have ever lived.

Well thank you Mr. Kid. We did our research and chose The Villages over all the rest with one main consideration and that was crime statistics. Lots of retirement locations had wonderful things to offer, but The Villages had what we were looking for: entertainment facilities, dining, pubs and physical activities.