Buildout? Nope. Never.

[champion6]

There is a small article in today's Daily Sun about TV expansion. It contains an interesting comment:
"According to Kelsea Manly, director of operations for The Villages, this allows much-needed flexibility as the next generation of Villages neighborhoods comes into focus over the next 10 to 20 years."

My thoughts:
Kelsea Manly is the daughter of Mark Morse. My guess -- she will replace Mark when he steps away from his leadership role.

"over the next 10 to 20 years"
[sarcasm on] I think I should encourage my grandchildren to become educated in the construction industry and relocate to central Florida.

I think the Coleman Federal Prison will eventually be surrounded by TV and will be converted into another town square. [sarcasm off]

[graciegirl]

There is a small article in today's Daily Sun about TV expansion. It contains an interesting comment:
"According to Kelsea Manly, director of operations for The Villages, this allows much-needed flexibility as the next generation of Villages neighborhoods comes into focus over the next 10 to 20 years."

My thoughts:
Kelsea Manly is the daughter of Mark Morse. My guess -- she will replace Mark when he steps away from his leadership role.

"over the next 10 to 20 years"
[sarcasm on] I think I should encourage my grandchildren to become educated in the construction industry and relocate to central Florida.

I think the Coleman Federal Prison will eventually be surrounded by TV and will be converted into another town square. [sarcasm off]

:BigApplause::22yikes::D

[autumnspring]

There is a small article in today's Daily Sun about TV expansion. It contains an interesting comment:
"According to Kelsea Manly, director of operations for The Villages, this allows much-needed flexibility as the next generation of Villages neighborhoods comes into focus over the next 10 to 20 years."

My thoughts:
Kelsea Manly is the daughter of Mark Morse. My guess -- she will replace Mark when he steps away from his leadership role.

"over the next 10 to 20 years"
[sarcasm on] I think I should encourage my grandchildren to become educated in the construction industry and relocate to central Florida.

I think the Coleman Federal Prison will eventually be surrounded by TV and will be converted into another town square. [sarcasm off]

For all of us, it is easy to see what someone else has done and be perhaps a bit envious of their success.

For me, the Fennie expansion indicates that the PROFESSIONAL management, which increases or maintains the VALUE of your home, will continue. Image what this place would be like with the inmates running it?

[TheWarriors]

truer words were never spoken :)

[rubicon]

I spoke with a woman who moved here the same year as my wife and me. Her unsolicited response was The Villages use to be a nice place to live............. I concurred. This is an opinion only spoken sotto voce

The concept sold to those of us in the past no longer resembles today's TV.

As this community continues to be over built and as the population turnover occurs it will eventually breakdown as to its pristine state compliance with rules, etc. You are witnessing signs of it now

I would move today but for "We don't want to move from" but rather we want to move" to" Its that "to"that is problematic

These are my thoughts not complaints not indictments only observations and opinions

Personal Best Regards:

[fw102807]

It's a business not a non-profit. As a newbie I think it is wonderful here and do not see any of this as a problem. Maybe in 10 or 20 years I will feel differently.

[dewilson58]

We heard about "the build out".............that was not the reason we purchased.............we were coming either way.

I always assumed, there will always be expansion as long as people keep purchasing.

[Gpsma]

The Morse family is just riding the bell curve of the baby boomers. TV will grow out as long as the boomers keep buying.

And then?...we might all be gone and TV will just be another city of tract housing

[Polar Bear]

Wow. When I think the negativism espoused by some can't get any worse, I am proven wrong.

[rubicon]

The Morse family is just riding the bell curve of the baby boomers. TV will grow out as long as the boomers keep buying.

And then?...we might all be gone and TV will just be another city of tract housing

I'll make book that TVLSI ( Developer) can't produce the documentation that supports the so called 80/20 split. I will make book that there are already a substantial number of people under 55 living here.

I have no dog in this fight... its just a don't want anyone to believe they can pull the wool.....thingy

[Polar Bear]

...I will make book that there are already a substantial number of people under 55 living here...
Not sure if anybody would question that...unless your "substantial number" is much higher than I'm assuming.

[mtdjed]

Not sure if anybody would question that...unless your "substantial number" is much higher than I'm assuming.

Should I care about this? I have nothing against people below 55 in age. I used to be one myself.

[vintageogauge]

I don't mind the building. TV is so large and almost everything is in triplicate or more, there is really no reason to have to travel all the way through it to get most of what we want. Before buying in Fenney we spent about 7 winters renting in different villages. Fenney has a much more open feel about it, not because it still is under construction, it's just different down here with a whole bunch of preserved acres and areas. We realize it will be a couple years for the commercial development to catch up but we're good with that and are used to driving to shop and we surely have time to drive a few extra miles. Once the connections are made and we get a gas station and Publix all will be fine. We came back up Noth 3 weeks ago to load up more furnishings, etc and can't wait to get back down Labor Day weekend, it I'll then be our home.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I really don't care how big The Villages gets, AS LONG AS, the developers keep up the infrastructure in the older parts and keeps building golf courses.

[vintageogauge]

In a couple years the last of the Boomers will be 55 and most will likely work 7 to 12 more years after that and then comes Generation X, whole new set of values, ambitions, and they will be paying for their kids college tuition. The early boomers could well afford to go to college by working part time and just some help from their parents, not so today but they have loans available which are good and bad, depending on their values and ability to get the jobs they want. I think homes will sell at a steady pace for the ext 10 to 15 years and after that there will be a big change. We early boomers are going to start dying off at the same rate we were born and there will be a huge number of resales available which will change the marketing strategy of TV but I'm sure they are well aware of whats ahead and are already making plans to offset the available properties.

[Packer Fan]

I'll make book that TVLSI ( Developer) can't produce the documentation that supports the so called 80/20 split. I will make book that there are already a substantial number of people under 55 living here.

I have no dog in this fight... its just a don't want anyone to believe they can pull the wool.....thingy

Yes they do keep track, and the number is around 8% (at least it was when I bought). The reason I know is I am under 55 and I asked.

[rubicon]

Yes they do keep track, and the number is around 8% (at least it was when I bought). The reason I know is I am under 55 and I asked.

"the reason I know is that I am under 55 and I asked."

First, welcome to The Villages I am certain you are a welcome addition .

I did mentioned earlier that I do not care what age group buys here. My point was that TVLSI marketed this community as a retirement community for 55+. It has morphed into something entirely different be it good or bad. I let others decide the good and the bad.

As to the % you asked and they throw a number at you and that's proof.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Personal Best Regards:

[Polar Bear]

...My point was that TVLSI marketed this community as a retirement community for 55+. It has morphed into something entirely different be it good or bad...
I of course accept that as your opinion, but I couldn't disagree more.

The presence of a sub-55 segment of the population in no way changes the fact that TV is a dedicated "retirement community for 55+". And a pretty good one too imho. :)

[Barefoot]

I really don't care how big The Villages gets, AS LONG AS the developers keep up the infrastructure in the older parts and keeps building golf courses.:agree:

[justjim]

Yes they do keep track, and the number is around 8% (at least it was when I bought). The reason I know is I am under 55 and I asked.

The number under 55 @ 8% sounds about right for new home sales. Following this number are resales, rentals and under 55 living with parents, uncles, aunts etc. IMHO the total still would be less than 20%----15% or less would be my guess. As long as the amenities, infrastructure and commercial keep up with what is current available in TV, I have no problem with continued growth. I learned a long time ago that it's difficult, if not impossible, to stop growth and development. Reason: Developers creates jobs and jobs create consumers and consumers are necessary for the economy. And so on.......:beer3:

[Mrs. Robinson]

I said in another thread that I don't believe The Villages really knows the percentage of those under 55.
I believe there are many children of current owners, who are not registered because they don't partake in any of the activities.

[graciegirl]

I said in another thread that I don't believe The Villages really knows the percentage of those under 55.
I believe there are many children of current owners, who are not registered because they don't partake in any of the activities.

HUD Laws for Age-Restricted Home Communities | Home Guides | SF Gate (http://homeguides.sfgate.com/hud-laws-age-restricted-home-communities-1774.html)

[Topspinmo]

In a couple years the last of the Boomers will be 55 and most will likely work 7 to 12 more years after that and then comes Generation X, whole new set of values, ambitions, and they will be paying for their kids college tuition. The early boomers could well afford to go to college by working part time and just some help from their parents, not so today but they have loans available which are good and bad, depending on their values and ability to get the jobs they want. I think homes will sell at a steady pace for the ext 10 to 15 years and after that there will be a big change. We early boomers are going to start dying off at the same rate we were born and there will be a huge number of resales available which will change the marketing strategy of TV but I'm sure they are well aware of whats ahead and are already making plans to offset the available properties.

The is Hugh amount of resale now on the market and there always be. Most don't sale that quickly. Zillow shows most resale's on the market. They village sales only list theirs. As new villages flood the market. Resale's will sales will slow in not prime locations. Ok all you few that sold in week can contradict what's reality now.

[jsw14]

Heck, I don't care if TV build's 100,000 more homes. As long as your house go's UP in value (& it will) I'll be a Happy camper. I wish All of us could take it with U when the time comes.

[collie1228]

Let me preface my comment on the fact that I love TV and wouldn't want to live anywhere else at this time of my life. But (there's always a "but"), as long a Morse Blvd. is the main North/South highway in TV, the traffic, bad already, will become intolerable if another 50,000 people move here. I live just a half block of Morse, north of 466, and even during this time of the year with the snowbirds gone, I generally have to wait for twenty or thirty cars to pass before I can pull out with my golf cart and drive to the mail station in the early afternoon. This was not the case when I moved here five years ago. When the birds return you can expect to wait for fifty or more cars to pass. My thought is that the developer should commit to widening Morse between 466 and 27/441 before he is allowed to build that many more houses. That would include new dedicated multimode paths and tunnels as necessary. Otherwise this paradise is going to become just another high traffic nightmare. I don't blame the developer for this situation, as he never conceived of the scope of this place when Morse Blvd. was designed. But I do expect the family with its well-deserved billions of dollars to do something about it.

[Polar Bear]

Of course there are isolated cases of nasty traffic. But TV a "traffic nightmare"? Not even close. At its worst, TV traffic is a breeze compared to almost any urban area.

[Fred R]

Heck, I don't care if TV build's 100,000 more homes. As long as your house go's UP in value (& it will) I'll be a Happy camper. I wish All of us could take it with U when the time comes.

When a came here a couple of years ago and fell in love the TV, I was told that TV could never go south of 44. After I purchased and was here for awhile I went to the dedication of Rohan Center where they said it was the LAST rec center to be built. Then in 16 information came out on Fenney. Now in 17, more land is purchased west of Leesburg and a total of 22,000 more houses just in the next couple of years. If readers think values are going to go up with the developer selling homes for $161,000 to $181,000 to start I think they are wrong. Residents will always be selling against the developer. For the folks that bought 8, 10, 15 yrs ago they will make out. Those of us who bought in the last 2 or 3 yrs will get screwed unless you are under 65 and plan to own a long time. I don't have 15 or 20 yrs to regroup my investment.

[jsw14]

Hmmm, the wife & I did our home-work when we were look'in to move to TV. (May 2011) We lived in Tennessee on 10 acre's in the rural area. (talk about down sizing) We looked at about 15-18 houses within 4 hours. Our biggest concern was just that "Traffic"..... We don't need to be close to shopping & all that go's with it. That's why we picked out a house on a cul-da-sack here in Springdale. Nice & quite with not much Traffic around us.

Signed>> Happy Camper......:)

[Barefoot]

I don't have 15 or 20 yrs to regroup my investment.I think you should stop fretting about recouping your investment! :ohdear:
Look at it this way --- you are lucky and blessed because you've found the perfect retirement community. :MOJE_whot:

[Packer Fan]

"the reason I know is that I am under 55 and I asked."

First, welcome to The Villages I am certain you are a welcome addition .

I did mentioned earlier that I do not care what age group buys here. My point was that TVLSI marketed this community as a retirement community for 55+. It has morphed into something entirely different be it good or bad. I let others decide the good and the bad.

As to the % you asked and they throw a number at you and that's proof.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Personal Best Regards:

I felt they were being honest, I guess I did not know I had to ask for the documentation. :police: However, I can also tell you that of the more than 50 couples that have called interested in renting, none have been less than 55. Most have been over 60 to be honest.

I can't wait to actually move down. I only get to visit 3 or 4 times a year, and I ALWAYS hate to leave.
Ed

[Topspinmo]

Heck, I don't care if TV build's 100,000 more homes. As long as your house go's UP in value (& it will) I'll be a Happy camper. I wish All of us could take it with U when the time comes.

IMO Prices as flat right or slightly down now due to amount of home for sale. IMO good time to buyers market.

[graciegirl]

IMO Prices as flat right or slightly down now due to amount of home for sale. IMO good time to buyers market.

I disagree. Type in your address and see what Zillow or on of the other sites says it's worth. Bet it will have gone up in the last six months.

[Wiotte]

IMO Prices as flat right or slightly down now due to amount of home for sale. IMO good time to buyers market.



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[biker1]

The Zillow "Zestimates" are not without errors, sometimes substantial. They have some proprietary algorithms they use to come up with an estimate. They may not have complete and accurate information for your house, upon which the Zestimate is based. For example, any improvements that are not linked to a building permit that triggers a change in your tax base may not be incorporated. The bottom line is that Zillow is a good resource for finding out what houses may have sold for recently and what is on the market (although that may be triggered by an MLS listing so it isn't clear that houses listed through The Villages Reality will be included). I would be hesitant to estimate the value of my house based on a Zillow Zestimate.

I disagree. Type in your address and see what Zillow or on of the other sites says it's worth. Bet it will have gone up in the last six months.

[Wiotte]

Zillow is for amateurs. All real estate is local, ask any professional.


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[biker1]

The trouble with that approach is they will need to look at comps and evaluate what is in your home. I believe it is unethical to waste someone's time when you have no intention of selling your property.

Zillow is for amateurs. All real estate is local, ask any professional.


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[Mrs. Robinson]

I disagree. Type in your address and see what Zillow or on of the other sites says it's worth. Bet it will have gone up in the last six months.

The Zillow "Zestimates" are not without errors, sometimes substantial. They have some proprietary algorithms they use to come up with an estimate. They may not have complete and accurate information for your house, upon which the Zestimate is based. For example, any improvements that are not linked to a building permit that triggers a change in your tax base may not be incorporated. The bottom line is that Zillow is a good resource for finding out what houses may have sold for recently and what is on the market (although that may be triggered by an MLS listing so it isn't clear that houses listed through The Villages Reality will be included). I would be hesitant to estimate the value of my house based on a Zillow Zestimate.

Never, and I repeat NEVER believe that a Zillow estimate of your house is accurate! It isn't.

If you are interested in selling your home and really want to know the true value of your property, ask a Realtor to do a market analysis.
You will then get the true value of what your house is worth.

[graciegirl]

Never, and I repeat NEVER believe that a Zillow estimate of your house is accurate! It isn't.

If you are interested in selling your home and really want to know the true value of your property, ask a Realtor to do a market analysis.
You will then get the true value of what your house is worth.

Well then ask a danged realtor and they will tell you what I said, that your home here has increased in value in the last six months. UNLESS it has animal pee smell, not nicely kept, smoked in or no green grass. And it will sell quickly unless they guide you to overprice it.

We sold our first house here by ourselves. They are easy to sell.

[biker1]

Did you not read my post? I said that Zillow Zestimates are not without error and gave the reasons why.

Never, and I repeat NEVER believe that a Zillow estimate of your house is accurate! It isn't.

If you are interested in selling your home and really want to know the true value of your property, ask a Realtor to do a market analysis.
You will then get the true value of what your house is worth.

[Topspinmo]

I disagree. Type in your address and see what Zillow or on of the other sites says it's worth. Bet it will have gone up in the last six months.

I was using zillow for the amount of homes shown on the market by realtors. But, that usually don't include FSBO so they are slightly more on the marketplace. Using zillow For realtor listing posted on zillow it increase viewers of the property's zillow sometimes added and estimated value I guess based on previous sales or similar sales in ththe area. Everybody's knows most listed prices are high so you can get reasonable offer before your lowballed. Any house I only worth what someone willing to pay and someone willing to sell it for reguardless of listed price. For some homes the price will alway go up due to location or limitations. For the average location and average house IMO bases on house prices that I look at they are flat right now

[graciegirl]

I was using zillow for the amount of homes shown on the market by realtors. But, that usually don't include FSBO so they are slightly more on the marketplace. Using zillow For realtor listing posted on zillow it increase viewers of the property's zillow sometimes added and estimated value I guess based on previous sales or similar sales in ththe area. Everybody's knows most listed prices are high so you can get reasonable offer before your lowballed. Any house I only worth what someone willing to pay and someone willing to sell it for reguardless of listed price. For some homes the price will alway go up due to location or limitations. For the average location and average house IMO bases on house prices that I look at they are flat right now

I don't agree.

[jsw14]

Hmmm, if ur house went UP in value in the past 6 months & the market is flat right now, ur still ahead of the game.......

[graciegirl]

Taken from the HUD link I posted above;

Regulation
The Fair Housing Administration enforces the age requirement portion of the law by requiring that active adult communities file affidavits with them every two years. They have to ask the residents of their communities to show proof of age through driver's licenses, birth certificates, military IDs or state-issued ID cards. The must also keep a copy of the affidavits on file as long as they want to remain a 55+ community.

[rivaridger1]

This a very interesting thread. Frankly my wife and I have never looked at any house we have owned as an " investment ". An investment can be guaranteed like a CD and appreciate at 1.5 % or so a year, or speculative such as stocks with significant ups and downs. You do not use " investments to take a shower in, park your car in, watch TV and go to bed. Housing is of use and if not maintained generally depreciates. When it is sold, if you are fortunate, it might be worth more money. We have just purchased our last house and expect to be carried out of it feet first. Before that happens though it will be thoroughly used and enjoyed. Our estate will not care one way or the other what it is worth at that time , other then to change this particular asset into cash so it can be distributed to our heirs.

[Aw Man]

...............
For me, the Fennie expansion indicates that the PROFESSIONAL management, which increases or maintains the VALUE of your home, will continue.
Image what this place would be like with the inmates running it?

Good post!
I agree.

[maryanna630]

Is that FHA 55 and over documentation available to the public?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I'll make book that TVLSI ( Developer) can't produce the documentation that supports the so called 80/20 split. I will make book that there are already a substantial number of people under 55 living here.

I have no dog in this fight... its just a don't want anyone to believe they can pull the wool.....thingy

Is that rhetoric or are you actually willing to fund my next vacation?

[TimeForChange]

We heard about "the build out".............that was not the reason we purchased.............we were coming either way.

I always assumed, there will always be expansion as long as people keep purchasing.

The Village Sales people were saying build out five years ago when we moved here. As long as the homes sell and land and water can be obtained they will build. You have a product that is in high demand and you don't stop until that demand does not exist or for some reason it becomes too expensive to make a return on investment.

[graciegirl]

This a very interesting thread. Frankly my wife and I have never looked at any house we have owned as an " investment ". An investment can be guaranteed like a CD and appreciate at 1.5 % or so a year, or speculative such as stocks with significant ups and downs. You do not use " investments to take a shower in, park your car in, watch TV and go to bed. Housing is of use and if not maintained generally depreciates. When it is sold, if you are fortunate, it might be worth more money. We have just purchased our last house and expect to be carried out of it feet first. Before that happens though it will be thoroughly used and enjoyed. Our estate will not care one way or the other what it is worth at that time , other then to change this particular asset into cash so it can be distributed to our heirs.

We have always viewed the home, the real estate we lived in as an investment. Husband worked for a company that moved people around a lot. It was important to buy and to be able to sell when the time came to move and to recover the money we had in the home and hopefully gain some bucks too. We still look at our home not only as a home but as a wise place to invest our money. Old habits die hard.

[CowBubba]

We bought a house in 06 and sold in 10. That was our only loss in value over the sale of 8 homes. But we made so much on the 06 sale, just from those two transactions we were ahead. My strong belief in Jesus warns me about being greedy, but sorry Jesus, it has not wavered my desire to get more wealth.

[vintageogauge]

We have always viewed the home, the real estate we lived in as an investment. Husband worked for a company that moved people around a lot. It was important to buy and to be able to sell when the time came to move and to recover the money we had in the home and hopefully gain some bucks too. We still look at our home not only as a home but as a wise place to invest our money. Old habits die hard.

We have bought and sold 7 residences over the last 49 years none were ever considered investments. We lost a little on the first one, doubled our purchase price on the second, broke even on the third, lost a little on the fourth, lost a ton on the fifth, hoping to make a little on the sixth as it will be sold in the spring. I always looked at them as being used for the years we had them and it probably balanced out to breaking even over the years since our first home, Im happy with that. We bought number 7 in Fenney once again not as an investment but because we liked the home and location and hopefully we won't have to leave for a long time and our kids can take care of selling it.

[JoMar]

I don't agree.

I also don't agree....my experience was the opposite.

[Ecuadog]

I don't agree.

I also don't agree....my experience was the opposite.

I definitely don't disagree. My experience was almost the same, but similar.

[patfla06]

Of course there are isolated cases of nasty traffic. But TV a "traffic nightmare"? Not even close. At its worst, TV traffic is a breeze compared to almost any urban area.

Totally agree!

[Barefoot]

Zillow is for amateurs. All real estate is local, ask any professional. As a former RE Broker, I agree that Zillow does not reflect accurate property values.

[bbbbbb]

I'll make book that TVLSI ( Developer) can't produce the documentation that supports the so called 80/20 split. I will make book that there are already a substantial number of people under 55 living here.

I have no dog in this fight... its just a don't want anyone to believe they can pull the wool.....thingy

Comment:::::Yes you are probably right. I have friends who moved here years ago and then left for the reasons you are getting at. We first started coming here about 5 years ago, and we have seen some real changes and you are so right. Our pet peeve is that it was a golf cart community, walking and bicycles. It is going into the car scene, a car for everything and the happy hour devotees just drink it up and get in the car and zoom, zoom.
In a cart or on a bike it is getting really perilous. As they build, the car scene gets wilder and wilder. Yes, there are those who do not agree, but we all have a right to our opinion even though it may ruffle some feathers. Take a look around, many of us are dedicated to having a nice controlled senior community, it is changing for sure, standards???? Where? We were in a swimming pool recently, two couples ( four adults, 5 little ones) with very young children in diapers were in there, they were talking, they come here regularly and do not live here. Have seen this a number of times. We used to help foster children, we know what a soiled diaper looks like, yep. I know what some of the responses may be. I did not come here to be a cop.
Please excuse the comment if it hits a sore spot, no malice intended. Have a nice day.

[vintageogauge]

Comment:::::Yes you are probably right. I have friends who moved here years ago and then left for the reasons you are getting at. We first started coming here about 5 years ago, and we have seen some real changes and you are so right. Our pet peeve is that it was a golf cart community, walking and bicycles. It is going into the car scene, a car for everything and the happy hour devotees just drink it up and get in the car and zoom, zoom.
In a cart or on a bike it is getting really perilous. As they build, the car scene gets wilder and wilder. Yes, there are those who do not agree, but we all have a right to our opinion even though it may ruffle some feathers. Take a look around, many of us are dedicated to having a nice controlled senior community, it is changing for sure, standards???? Where? We were in a swimming pool recently, two couples ( four adults, 5 little ones) with very young children in diapers were in there, they were talking, they come here regularly and do not live here. Have seen this a number of times. We used to help foster children, we know what a soiled diaper looks like, yep. I know what some of the responses may be. I did not come here to be a cop.
Please excuse the comment if it hits a sore spot, no malice intended. Have a nice day.

When you see infractions make the call. When you see toddlers in the pool with dirty diapers it's definitely time to call and also let them know what you overheard regarding not living here so they can check ID's. If no one turns them in they will continue to come. This is still an active retirement community however everyone has a different way of being active, to some it is socializing at happy hour, to others it is reading a book on their lanai, we are all different but should all be following the rules, regulations, and laws.

[OhioBuckeye]

Is TV getting more expensive the bigger it gets? I would like to hear from the senior residents not from the newly weds from TV. I've been hearing from more & more people that they think TV isn't a cheap place to live anymore. The wealthier people think it's cheap to live here, depending where they come from think it's cheap, like most of the big city people. But I'm hearing from more more 15 to 25 yr. residents that it not a cheap place to live anymore. I'm just wondering about where people come from, their life styles & why they think it's cheap to live here?

[rlcooper70]

Seems to me that The Villages is what we make it .... expansion seems a reflection of a business model that is working and let's hope it continues and that it includes golf courses and entertainment and bowling alleys. This place is too much fun to criticize - its our playground and expansion just means there are more people having fun. All good.

[Fastskiguy]

I'm only 48 but have already heard twice that "this is the last buildout" so it's just a smile and a chuckle when I hear it now. My understanding is that "the villages will never cross 441" was an actual statement back in the day.

It's the best place going, I can't wait to go full time!

Joe

[asianthree]

Is TV getting more expensive the bigger it gets? I would like to hear from the senior residents not from the newly weds from TV. I've been hearing from more & more people that they think TV isn't a cheap place to live anymore. The wealthier people think it's cheap to live here, depending where they come from think it's cheap, like most of the big city people. But I'm hearing from more more 15 to 25 yr. residents that it not a cheap place to live anymore. I'm just wondering about where people come from, their life styles & why they think it's cheap to live here?

The cost of living sheet TV gave us in 07, was about $1000 a month for everything but mortgage, food, entertainment. And 2017 it's definitely more. But it would be more no matter where you lived.

[Jdmiata]

Should I care about this? I have nothing against people below 55 in age. I used to be one myself.

Well said.

[graciegirl]

The cost of living sheet TV gave us in 07, was about $1000 a month for everything but mortgage, food, entertainment. And 2017 it's definitely more. But it would be more no matter where you lived.

Well said. As usual.

[dewilson58]

Is TV getting more expensive the bigger it gets? I would like to hear from the senior residents not from the newly weds from TV. I've been hearing from more & more people that they think TV isn't a cheap place to live anymore. The wealthier people think it's cheap to live here, depending where they come from think it's cheap, like most of the big city people. But I'm hearing from more more 15 to 25 yr. residents that it not a cheap place to live anymore. I'm just wondering about where people come from, their life styles & why they think it's cheap to live here?

Define "cheap"

[Barefoot]

We were in a swimming pool recently, two couples ( four adults, 5 little ones) with very young children in diapers were in there, they were talking, they come here regularly and do not live here. Have seen this a number of times. We used to help foster children, we know what a soiled diaper looks like,
If you see something, please report it. Posting on TOTV won't help.

[New Englander]

If you see something, please report it. Posting on TOTV won't help.

Who/where would a person report this kind of thing to?

[Barefoot]

Who/where would a person report this kind of thing to?
I assume it would be at a Family Pool attached to a Rec Center. I'd report it to Rec Center staff inside.

[Lindaketchup]

Take a look around, many of us are dedicated to having a nice controlled senior community, it is changing for sure, standards???? Where? We were in a swimming pool recently, two couples ( four adults, 5 little ones) with very young children in diapers were in there, they were talking, they come here regularly and do not live here. Have seen this a number of times. We used to help foster children, we know what a soiled diaper looks like, yep. I know what some of the responses may be. I did not come here to be a cop.
Please excuse the comment if it hits a sore spot, no malice intended. Have a nice day.

How do you know they don't come here regularly to visit parents or grandparents? My daughter is under 55 and is a very regular visitor, she comes every 2-3 months for anywhere from 7-14 days at a time.