55+ community?

[Buckeye Geoff]

I read the paper every day and pay special attention to the crimes that happen here. Many/most seem to be committed by "village residents" in their 30s or 40s. What's up with that? We bought our home here because it fit our current stage of life -- retired, over 55. Why are there so many under 55 year-olds committing crimes here? Is this a 55+ community or not?

[MikeV]

Two reasons. First only 80% of owners must be 55 or older. Secondly some senior residents let their adult children live with them. Hence there are many residents under 55.


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[villagetinker]

To qualify as a retirement community, 80% of the homeowners have to be over 55 years old. No restrictions if they have their children living with them. No one under the age of 19 is allowed to live in the villages, 30 days(?) is the limit. So, 20% of the homes can be owned and occupied by people between the ages of 20 and 55, and you can still have some living with parents.
I do not have the time or inclination to see how many crimes are committed by under 55 versus over 55, but I think IMHO that some of the reporting may be emphasizing the younger crimes, no proof of this, just a general impression. Also, this is NOT a gated community, so there have been many instances of visitors committing crimes within the borders of The Villages.

[Jack9696]

To qualify as a retirement community, 80% of the homeowners have to be over 55 years old. No restrictions if they have their children living with them. No one under the age of 19 is allowed to live in the villages, 30 days(?) is the limit. So, 20% of the homes can be owned and occupied by people between the ages of 20 and 55, and you can still have some living with parents.
I do not have the time or inclination to see how many crimes are committed by under 55 versus over 55, but I think IMHO that some of the reporting may be emphasizing the younger crimes, no proof of this, just a general impression. Also, this is NOT a gated community, so there have been many instances of visitors committing crimes within the borders of The Villages.See pudding.
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[Jack9696]

80% of the homes have to have one person over 55 living there. Need not be an owner.

And yes, it's obvious under 55s commit much of the crime.

[vintageogauge]

I noticed a lot of the crime reports were of those under 55 also.

[Bogie Shooter]

I read the paper every day and pay special attention to the crimes that happen here. Many/most seem to be committed by "village residents" in their 30s or 40s. What's up with that? We bought our home here because it fit our current stage of life -- retired, over 55. Why are there so many under 55 year-olds committing crimes here? Is this a 55+ community or not?

Here we go again. :popcorn::popcorn:

There are more threads if you want to do a search.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/55-under-getting-trouble-244622/?highlight=crime

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/30-somethings-242893/?highlight=crime

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/not-resident-adult-child-not-speed-244143/?highlight=crime

[Challenger]

To qualify as a retirement community, 80% of the homeowners have to be over 55 years old. No restrictions if they have their children living with them. No one under the age of 19 is allowed to live in the villages, 30 days(?) is the limit. So, 20% of the homes can be owned and occupied by people between the ages of 20 and 55, and you can still have some living with parents.
I do not have the time or inclination to see how many crimes are committed by under 55 versus over 55, but I think IMHO that some of the reporting may be emphasizing the younger crimes, no proof of this, just a general impression. Also, this is NOT a gated community, so there have been many instances of visitors committing crimes within the borders of The Villages.
Actually none of the owners need to be 55 or over. The standard is homes with one or more occupants being 55 or over. A 25 year old son homeowner, with his 55 year old mother living in , qualifies the residence.

[njbchbum]

I read the paper every day and pay special attention to the crimes that happen here. Many/most seem to be committed by "village residents" in their 30s or 40s. What's up with that? We bought our home here because it fit our current stage of life -- retired, over 55. Why are there so many under 55 year-olds committing crimes here? Is this a 55+ community or not?

Here's the legal parameters of being a 55+ Community:
Housing for Older Persons Requirements

Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes

For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:

1. At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
2. The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
3. The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory)

[John_W]

Why keep talking about only 80% of the homes must be 55 or older. These DUI, drug possession, fisticuffs, shoplifting, stealing, etc criminals couldn't afford a home here if they could. They are adult children who couldn't make it on their own, and the parents take them back.

The didn't make it in the first place because the parents never had ground rules, lacked authority, and let the kid run over them. Now as a 35 year old adult and mostly unemployed, they run over their parents even more who are now less defensible as a senior. It's not until the parent finally puts the foot down and tells them to 'get out', or the law incarcerates them for a length of time, will we see a end to this behavior. Recent case is the 31 year old who while intoxicated (by his own omission) swung his golf cart around in a violate maneuver throwing a 51 year old female out on her head who later died. He now faces DUI vehicular manslaughter. Even with these charges, the parents have him out on bail.

[villagetinker]

Thank you for the clarification on ownership versus l the home.

[Jack9696]

Why keep talking about only 80% of the homes must be 55 or older. These DUI, drug possession, fisticuffs, shoplifting, stealing, etc criminals couldn't afford a home here if they could. They are adult children who couldn't make it on their own, and the parents take them back.

The didn't make it in the first place because the parents never had ground rules, lacked authority, and let the kid run over them. Now as a 35 year old adult and mostly unemployed, they run over their parents even more who are now less defensible as a senior. It's not until the parent finally puts the foot down and tells them to 'get out', or the law incarcerates them for a length of time, will we see a end to this behavior. Recent case is the 31 year old who while intoxicated (by his own omission) swung his golf cart around in a violate maneuver throwing a 51 year old female out on her head who later died. He now faces DUI vehicular manslaughter. Even with these charges, the parents have him out on bail.Excellent point. Some of these creeps never left mommies home.

I know one that briefly went into the military, could not cut it and has lived with daddy since, mooching weed money etc.

Another only left home to go to college, where he actually completed several degrees, but was way too pampered and now is a huge financial and emotional burden on his parents.

Several adult woman I know came back to live with parents, both are underemployed with drinking problems.

Most villagers know a few of these misfits and yes the parents are often to blame.

[rubicon]

Here's the legal parameters of being a 55+ Community:
Housing for Older Persons Requirements

Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes

For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:

1. At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
2. The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
3. The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory)

There are a number of people who buy homes here with no intent to live in them but as rental units. so this is another way of getting around the 55+ rule. So a 19 year old can't live here but a 19 year old can own a home

As The Villages continues its growth it adds businesses of all types. Those businesses have to be maned . the employees working at those businesses need housing. Those that can afford housing here and frankly the price range is so broad many could well afford a place here will qualify even under the age of 55

does the 55+ rule have application to resales? I really don't know and within that same question who does the arithmetic on the 80/20split if it does? I mean if 20% can be sold to under 55 then what stops a homeowner from doing so? Who steps in and says wait we need assurance that the split of the split between new and resales is evenly apportioned?

then we have the passing of the estate upon a residents death which also frees up a home to be transferred to those under 55.

I am not hung up on the 55+ requirement, in fact I would endorse it. Nor am I convinced that the offspring of residents are the main cause of crime. a renter will be classified as a village resident based on address given when booked. Many crimes are committed by youth from outside of TV. many crimes are committed by village residents over 55

To cast all blame on adult children living with their parents is very narrow minded, very unkind and hence very unchristian like

[Polar Bear]

Face it!! Every last one of the under-55's in TV is a drunken druggie thief and worse. They all simply need to be thrown in jail!! :ohdear:

You guys are amazing. barf

[Jack9696]

Looks like every home can be owned by and occupied by 19 year olds, as long as they let grandpa live in 80% of the homes with them.

[Hancle704]

Seems like over time we have seen a shift from retired seniors to an increased community for troubled children.

[rubicon]

another factor contributing to this dilemma is that the number of homes sold is prominently displayed in the paper, etc. However of little notice are the number people who move away from The Villages.

[manaboutown]

It would be interesting to know how many homes are owned in and lived in by people actually 55 and over who house their deadbeat adult children so that the public would come to realize the number.

If one compared the percentage of criminal incidents per person of the under 55's residing in TV to that of the 55 and older the results would not be surprising, at least to me.

[graciegirl]

another factor contributing to this dilemma is that the number of homes sold is prominently displayed in the paper, etc. However of little notice are the number people who move away from The Villages.

??? Usually I quickly get your point, but I don't on this post. I am not crazy about a lot of rental homes here either, so I agree with you on that, but the Feds do track ages in an age restricted community.

And Jack, you are partially right and partially wrong. There are losers here who live with their parents, and there are nice kids too who like mine who has retired from working her whole life at McDonald's, granted a little early to retire, she is in her early fifties,, but we were moving to Florida and she lives with us because she has Williams Syndrome. We like that a lot that she lives with us.. There are also young people who have unfixable or difficult to treat mental health problems. WE raised our kids with all of the criteria that you point out not to have a loser and we have no losers but we are just lucky, blessed, and fortunate. Some folks do all of the right things and something is seriously wrong.

There is a lot of bullying going on in the political forum about a similar issue. I hate losers, and I hate selfish and lazy people who drink too much but I hate bullies worse. They are insecure men, usually, who are quick to throw criticism at others. They are unkind at best and usually mean to the core and cruel for the joy of it, and probably have not had good success in interpersonal relationships of any kind; with their folks, with their partners, with their teachers and with their bosses. Now they pick on people who don't deserve it.

[Fredster]

"To cast all blame on adult children living with their parents is very narrow minded, very unkind and hence very unchristian like"

I don't think all blame is being cast on adult children,
but I do think it a very rational observation that a good % of the crime,
in and about TV is perpatrated by that demographic group.
As far as the unchristian remark, I think it is a sin and diservice to do for others,
what they can, and should do for themselves!
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions!"

[petsetc]

Given The Villages is already the size of a small city and is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country, I would contend the issues are not the number of problem people but the fact that EVERY incident is reported and published daily. Only place I've ever been with this much "police blotter" information in your face, all the time.

[Polar Bear]

Given The Villages is already the size of a small city and is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country, I would contend the issues are not the number of problem people but the fact that EVERY incident is reported and published daily. Only place I've ever been with this much "police blotter" information in your face, all the time.
Bingo.

[CFrance]

Here we go again. :popcorn::popcorn:

There are more threads if you want to do a search.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/55-under-getting-trouble-244622/?highlight=crime

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/30-somethings-242893/?highlight=crime

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/not-resident-adult-child-not-speed-244143/?highlight=crime
... and we really wish people would before posting about this, dog poop, where to day-trip, roundabouts, poor parkers, the best grocery stores, the best doctors, deed compliance issues of the (fill in your favorite) variety, and the like.
:wave:

[John_W]

It would be interesting to know how many homes are owned in and lived in by people actually 55 and over who house their deadbeat adult children so that the public would come to realize the number.

If one compared the percentage of criminal incidents per person of the under 55's residing in TV to that of the 55 and older the results would not be surprising, at least to me.

I can only state what I know. On my street of 13 CYV's, all are occupied by persons over 55 with no adult children living with them. Ten are full time residents and 3 are snowbirds, and none are rented out.

From what I've seen for the six years I've lived in TV, in a community of 115,000 the actual number of adult children living with their parents is not that large, I would guess less than a 1,000. There are many you never hear about because they are responsible adults who are actually caregivers for their elderly parents. You might have 500 bad apples which is less than 0.4% of the population.

The online newspaper wouldn't be read or be a successful business if they didn't have readers. It's just like the tabloid papers at the checkout stand. If they didn't have a picture of Alec Baldwin or George Clooney on the cover doing something, nobody would bother. I see the whole picture and it's a small percentage. A good many of the crime reports are people living in Wildwood or Fruitland Park and it seems the addresses get blurred together. Inside TV, you might see one adult child a day or every other day get arrested. It's not anything to worry about, you have enough 55+ adults at the squares putting away a few alcoholic beverages.

[Barefoot]

From what I've seen for the six years I've lived in TV, in a community of 115,000 the actual number of adult children living with their parents is not that large, I would guess less than a 1,000. There are many you never hear about because they are responsible adults who are actually caregivers for their elderly parents. You might have 500 bad apples which is less than 0.4% of the population.
The online newspaper wouldn't be read or be a successful business if they didn't have readers. It's just like the tabloid papers at the checkout stand. If they didn't have a picture of Alec Baldwin or George Clooney on the cover doing something, nobody would bother. I see the whole picture and it's a small percentage. A good many of the crime reports are people living in Wildwood or Fruitland Park and it seems the addresses get blurred together. Inside TV, you might see one adult child a day or every other day get arrested. It's not anything to worry about, you have enough 55+ adults at the squares putting away a few alcoholic beverages.
I'm in total agreement with your post.
I know only three adult children living with parents in TV. All three adult children are respected members of the community.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Given The Villages is already the size of a small city and is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country, I would contend the issues are not the number of problem people but the fact that EVERY incident is reported and published daily. Only place I've ever been with this much "police blotter" information in your face, all the time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=John_W;1437765]I can only state what I know. On my street of 13 CYV's, all are occupied by persons over 55 with no adult children living with them. Ten are full time residents and 3 are snowbirds, and none are rented out.

From what I've seen for the six years I've lived in TV, in a community of 115,000 the actual number of adult children living with their parents is not that large, I would guess less than a 1,000. There are many you never hear about because they are responsible adults who are actually caregivers for their elderly parents. You might have 500 bad apples which is less than 0.4% of the population.

The online newspaper wouldn't be read or be a successful business if they didn't have readers. It's just like the tabloid papers at the checkout stand. If they didn't have a picture of Alec Baldwin or George Clooney on the cover doing something, nobody would bother. I see the whole picture and it's a small percentage. A good many of the crime reports are people living in Wildwood or Fruitland Park and it seems the addresses get blurred together. Inside TV, you might see one adult child a day or every other day get arrested. It's not anything to worry about, you have enough 55+ adults at the squares putting away a few alcoholic beverages.

The Villages will never be a "metropolitan" city, regardless of the population. It is also hard to consider it a "small city" when you consider that while there is plenty to do here, it's aptly called "The Villages."

The Villages' populace thrives on and revels in reading much of the printed dirt offered in the daily newspaper and what is available online. Even some of the topics here on TOTV indicate that TV is still very much a small town. Many have referred to TV as a type of Disneyland.

An over 55 community is the same all over the country. 20% of residents can be under 55. I am amazed at the amount of our adult residents that still don't understand the simple main and basic laws that govern this. Again -- this is indicated by the many threads and posts that refer to this.

Personally, I know of no children living permanently here with their parents. I'm not sure TV has a definite number (percentage) of those who live here who are under 55 because I don't believe they are all registered.

[graciegirl]

Given The Villages is already the size of a small city and is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country, I would contend the issues are not the number of problem people but the fact that EVERY incident is reported and published daily. Only place I've ever been with this much "police blotter" information in your face, all the time.



The Villages will never be a "metropolitan" city, regardless of the population. It is also hard to consider it a "small city" when you consider that while there is plenty to do here, it's aptly called "The Villages."

The Villages' populace thrives on and revels in reading much of the printed dirt offered in the daily newspaper and what is available online. Even some of the topics here on TOTV indicate that TV is still very much a small town. Many have referred to TV as a type of Disneyland.

An over 55 community is the same all over the country. 20% of residents can be under 55. I am amazed at the amount of our adult residents that still don't understand the simple main and basic laws that govern this. Again -- this is indicated by the many threads and posts that refer to this.

Personally, I know of no children living permanently here with their parents. I'm not sure TV has a definite number (percentage) of those who live here who are under 55 because I don't believe they are all registered.

HUD Laws for Age-Restricted Home Communities | Home Guides | SF Gate (http://homeguides.sfgate.com/hud-laws-age-restricted-home-communities-1774.html)

[dewilson58]

I read the paper every day and pay special attention to the crimes that happen here. Many/most seem to be committed by "village residents" in their 30s or 40s. What's up with that? We bought our home here because it fit our current stage of life -- retired, over 55. Why are there so many under 55 year-olds committing crimes here? Is this a 55+ community or not?

We young'ns come here because the place is wonderful, including low crime rates. Some misguided people are misguided and get in trouble. Very difficult to find another community with 100,000 people that is so beautiful and with low crimes.

[Jack9696]

Given The Villages is already the size of a small city and is the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country, I would contend the issues are not the number of problem people but the fact that EVERY incident is reported and published daily. Only place I've ever been with this much "police blotter" information in your face, all the time.



The Villages will never be a "metropolitan" city, regardless of the population. It is also hard to consider it a "small city" when you consider that while there is plenty to do here, it's aptly called "The Villages."

The Villages' populace thrives on and revels in reading much of the printed dirt offered in the daily newspaper and what is available online. Even some of the topics here on TOTV indicate that TV is still very much a small town. Many have referred to TV as a type of Disneyland.

An over 55 community is the same all over the country. 20% of residents can be under 55. I am amazed at the amount of our adult residents that still don't understand the simple main and basic laws that govern this. Again -- this is indicated by the many threads and posts that refer to this.

Personally, I know of no children living permanently here with their parents. I'm not sure TV has a definite number (percentage) of those who live here who are under 55 because I don't believe they are all registered.

Ms. Robinson, it has been stated many times in error, but the actual law says 4 of 5 homes must have one occupant over 55.

Theoretically all homes can be owned by 19 year olds.

Theoretically if each home had 4 residents and in 20% of the homes all 4 residents were 19 years old and in 80% 3 of the residents were 19 years old we could theoretically have a Villages that was made up of 80% 19 year olds. Maybe even higher than 80% if the legal occupancy were over 4 persons, which it probably is.

[Jack9696]

I'm in total agreement with your post.
I know only three adult children living with parents in TV. All three adult children are respected members of the community. Many times we would not "know" the derelict adult children but we "know of" them.

I "know" some and and I "know of" others.

Many want to "post" only a rosy picture.

[bbbbbb]

I read the paper every day and pay special attention to the crimes that happen here. Many/most seem to be committed by "village residents" in their 30s or 40s. What's up with that? We bought our home here because it fit our current stage of life -- retired, over 55. Why are there so many under 55 year-olds committing crimes here? Is this a 55+ community or not?

Well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, let us get real here. Quotas and standards? Enforced by who? Where is the control and record keeping that maintains the 80%? Surely you can see there is no way to evaluate, clarify or reinforce this standard, it is totally ignored.
There is a speed limit? How about that one?
There is a cart speed limit, OK so how is that handled?
I have our cart set to max speed of 19 mph. Carts on the paths speed by us at far in excess of 20, that is so obvious? Ever see anyone get a ticket? Take a very cautious view of the speeders on so many roads. Lots of revenue there so what is wrong? Have you seen all the homes letting the weeds grow? Does any one care?
We have a gated community? Oh really?, Yes gates and anyone can push the button or follow a car in.
In order to have real standards, there has to be a method of control. Good luck and try to be safe.

[Jack9696]

We young'ns come here because the place is wonderful, including low crime rates. Some misguided people are misguided and get in trouble. Very difficult to find another community with 100,000 people that is so beautiful and with low crimes.Very true, but it could be better if the misguided were re-guided or that they knew we were watching their misguidedness with laser-guided very watchful eyes.

[Polar Bear]

...Many want to "post" only a rosy picture.
And others want to "post" only doom and gloom.

[dewilson58]

And others want to "post" only doom and gloom.

I think that is listed on the other thread, Types of Posters.


:coolsmiley:

[njbchbum]

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An over 55 community is the same all over the country. 20% of residents can be under 55. I am amazed at the amount of our adult residents that still don't understand the simple main and basic laws that govern this. Again -- this is indicated by the many threads and posts that refer to this.
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I am amazed that folks do not realize that the statutes for the 55+ community refer to percentages of RESIDENCES and NOT to percentages of residents!
"At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older"
[]kernel (20) / Error - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory/housing_for_older_persons_requirements)

[Nucky]

I'm 59, my wife is 39. Are we ok? Can we stay? I put the 39 thing in case my wife reads the first part of this post! Just as an example: a married couple man's age is 25 women's age is 22 they come to TV'S for a visit and love the place. Are they allowed to buy a home and live in it full time if they wish?

[Barefoot]

Just as an example: a married couple man's age is 25 women's age is 22 they come to TV'S for a visit and love the place. Are they allowed to buy a home and live in it full time if they wish?Yes. As long as they aren't violating the 20% rule. And I think we have a long, long way to go.

[Schaumburger]

Yes. As long as they aren't violating the 20% rule. And I think we have a long, long way to go.

Also, the couple in their 20's could not have children under 19 living with them permanently.

A few years ago, I went to an open house in TV hosted by a Villages real agent representative who owned the house. I said, "Not to be nosy, but there is no way you are 55 years old, and you mentioned you have children in elementary school. How can you live in The Villages?" He said "I don't live in the home, I own it as a rental for investment purposes, but now I want to sell it. My family home is a few miles outside of TV."

So in theory, couldn't a couple (or single) in their 20's own a home in TV for 30 or more years as an investment property renting it out for all those years, then move into the home in TV when they are ready to retire? I don't know how many young couples or singles would want do that, but is it allowable?

Also, hasn't it probably happened that people well under the age of 55 have inherited a home in TV from parent(s), grandparent(s) or another relative?

[CFrance]

So in theory, couldn't a couple (or single) in their 20's own a home in TV for 30 or more years as an investment property renting it out for all those years, then move into the home in TV when they are ready to retire? [/B] I
I know a couple in their 30s with two kids under the age of 6 who are doing just that.

[John_W]

...I have our cart set to max speed of 19 mph. Carts on the paths speed by us at far in excess of 20, that is so obvious? Ever see anyone get a ticket? Take a very cautious view of the speeders on so many roads. Lots of revenue there so what is wrong?...

I can only handle one of your complaints at a time. This cart speeding business has already been discussed ad nauseam on this forum in threads directly related to golf carts. As a refresher here goes, when carts are operating on the MMP's (multimodal paths) they are on private property (Villages Land) and the police have already stated they will not ticket carts for speeding but will ticket for open container of alcohol. The cart lane on the side of public streets, example St. Charles Blvd, is handled differently and does fall into the jurisdiction of the police and the state speeding laws pertaining to golf carts.

I would guess that manpower probably dictates that ticketing speeding seniors operating a golf cart in excess of 20 mph in a retirement community is probably a lower priority than the meth lab in Wildwood or the shoplifter at Walmart or the Fruitland Park driver who's pickup truck is parked at a new home in Pine Hills removing some new stainless steel appliances would probably get higher attention. If you're unhappy with the lack of ticketing on public streets then I suggest you take your complaints to the Sumter County Sheriff's Office in Bushnell and look for this guy.

http://www.sumtercountysheriff.org/img/staff/William_Farmer.png

[Schaumburger]

I know a couple in their 30s with two kids under the age of 6 who are doing just that.

It would be interesting to see how long they will keep the investment property in TV. Being a landlord owning in TV and living a few miles/a reasonable car ride from your rental property could be a very good long term investment. Being a landlord for many years living 1,000 or more miles away from the investment property is not something I would be interested in doing.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I am amazed that folks do not realize that the statutes for the 55+ community refer to percentages of residences and NOT to percentages of residents!
"At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older"
[]kernel (20) / Error - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory/housing_for_older_persons_requirements)

Correct!
Perhaps I did a poor job of wording what I meant. I do know what the law is.

[VillagerNut]

[QUOTE=Mrs. Robinson;1437813]

Ms. Robinson, it has been stated many times in error, but the actual law says 4 of 5 homes must have one occupant over 55.

Theoretically all homes can be owned by 19 year olds.

Theoretically if each home had 4 residents and in 20% of the homes all 4 residents were 19 years old and in 80% 3 of the residents were 19 years old we could theoretically have a Villages that was made up of 80% 19 year olds. Maybe even higher than 80% if the legal occupancy were over 4 persons, which it probably is.

Your post is absolutely incorrect! Look at what Gracie posted with a link to the correct site. The correct rule is 80% of all residents including guests/visitors must be 55 or older! The districts keeps control by how many recreation IDs are handed out! When you get an ID you have to give a birthdate. The latest figure I have heard is 8% are under 55 years old! If anybody knows of a person under 19 years old living here more than 30 days a year they need to be turned into community standards. That is a huge violation that needs to get resolved ASAP! Unfortunately when parents keep supporting children that have no initiative to maintain a job or have substance abuse issues there will probably be some crimes committed by those individuals since they have no way to support their habits!

[CFrance]

It would be interesting to see how long they will keep the investment property in TV. Being a landlord owning in TV and living a few miles/a reasonable car ride from your rental property could be a very good long term investment. Being a landlord for many years living 1,000 or more miles away from the investment property is not something I would be interested in doing.
In this case, their very active, capable parents live about half a mile away. (Not us, by the way.) Another parent has a winter home in Buttonwood. I grew up with the mother; our kids grew up with their kids, so we know the family well. This will work. They are very interested in the community and all it has to offer.

[asianthree]

It would be interesting to see how long they will keep the investment property in TV. Being a landlord owning in TV and living a few miles/a reasonable car ride from your rental property could be a very good long term investment. Being a landlord for many years living 1,000 or more miles away from the investment property is not something I would be interested in doing.

Many snowbirds return to up north homes, hundreds of miles away, and with a good homewatch have piece of mind

[Nucky]

Yes. As long as they aren't violating the 20% rule. And I think we have a long, long way to go.

I thought that was the answer. They have no intention of having children. I told Mrs. Nucky we shouldn't tell them where we moved. Oh Well!

[Boomer]

I'm 59, my wife is 39. Are we ok? Can we stay? I put the 39 thing in case my wife reads the first part of this post! - - - - - - - - - - - -


You, Nucky, are a good and very wise man. :)

[biker1]

Please see post #35 regarding residents vs. residences. You can also see the language on your deed restrictions that are available on districtgov.org.



[QUOTE=Jack9696;1437868]

Your post is absolutely incorrect! Look at what Gracie posted with a link to the correct site. The correct rule is 80% of all residents including guests/visitors must be 55 or older! The districts keeps control by how many recreation IDs are handed out! When you get an ID you have to give a birthdate. The latest figure I have heard is 8% are under 55 years old! If anybody knows of a person under 19 years old living here more than 30 days a year they need to be turned into community standards. That is a huge violation that needs to get resolved ASAP! Unfortunately when parents keep supporting children that have no initiative to maintain a job or have substance abuse issues there will probably be some crimes committed by those individuals since they have no way to support their habits!

[njbchbum]

Correct!
Perhaps I did a poor job of wording what I meant. I do know what the law is.

Phew! So many folks either don't know the law or they misspeak the law! Glad that you know it! :) It's just that misspeak between residence and residents can mean a great bid difference in percentages!


Have a great eclipse day!