Too many DUI's

[Chatbrat]

I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1441809]I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published[/QUOTE

The restaurants would be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Then some with a snoot full would take on the restaurant staff, perhaps physically, and if LEO are called, lawyers could be involved. Some people can appear sober even when they are three sheets to the wind. Some people can "handle" more alcohol than others. What people should do and what people could do and what people would do is often different than what people do do. Do you see where I'm going?

I don't drink alcohol at all. Don't smoke. Sometimes that marks me off of some invites that are fun. I still have fun here in The Villages.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published

The restaurants would be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Then some with a snoot full would take on the restaurant staff, perhaps physically, and if LEO are called, lawyers could be involved. Some people can appear sober even when they are three sheets to the wind. Some people can "handle" more alcohol than others. What people should do and what people could do and what people would do is often different than what people do do. Do you see where I'm going?

I don't drink alcohol at all. Don't smoke. Sometimes that marks me off of some invites that are fun. I still have fun here in The Villages.

I do not drink nor smoke either, graciegirl.

If a regular customer at some bar well known to the bartender looks drunk I do think it would be the friendly thing to tell the person that he should stop drinking. But the person might just go to the next bar around the corner and start drinking there.

My late younger brother was a long term alcoholic and it finally killed him around the Thanksgiving Holiday of 2014. We have quite a lot of experience dealing with alcoholism. It takes quite a toll when a family member is addicted. And they take great efforts to get the next drink no matter how hard you try to stop them.

Alcoholics Anonymous works for some if the addict accepts the program. My younger brother never really did. I miss him often but do not miss all the alcoholic drama. It went on from 1998- 2014. Quite a lot of hardship for everyone in the family.

[redwitch]

So, how do you cut off the person in a group where the drunk doesn't even go near the bar to get a drink (others in the group are going to the bar and buying)? What about the ones who enjoyed happy hour in the square, came in and the next drink was their straw, so to speak? The restaurant may be to blame but just as often they have no clue someone has imbibed too much.

Drinking and driving are ugly bedfellows. I don't care if you've only had two drinks or are falling down drunk -- your driving is impaired. You don't pay as much attention, your reflexes are a little slower, your coordination is not what it should be. People die because of the arrogance of the person who thinks they are okay to drive.

I do occasionally drink. If I have a drink when out, it is with a meal and drunk very slowly. Otherwise, I will have a drink and then switch to Coke for at least the next hour. There is no excuse for drinking and driving and to blame the bartender or server for the arrogance of the drunk is not entirely fair.

[Gpsma]

Gracie....why would someone not invite you just because you don't drink? But then again the worst thing is a drunk around sober people or someone sober around a bunch of drunks.

I have had friends who owned bars and restaurants. They have always been reluctant to cut off drunks unless they are falling down or causing trouble. In reality, if you serve someone 3 or 4 drinks they are probably "legally" drunk. If they can handle their booze no bar owner is going to cut off a paying customer. They probably would just find another bar

[Chatbrat]

In NJ, the establishment and or home owner are legally responsible as well as the driver for injury and or damages caused by a drunk driver

[manaboutown]

Dram shop laws in Florida Dram Shop Laws and Social Host Liability for Alcohol-Related Accidents in Florida | Nolo.com (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/dram-shop-laws-social-host-liability-alcohol-related-accidents-florida.html)

[dewilson58]

Maybe authorities should post gas vs. electric carts

or

Ford's vs. Chevy's.

It only takes a couple of drinks for some. Bars would have to sell one drink, then it shut off.

Posting stats aren't going to stop drunk drivers.

[Bonny]

I can't imagine anyone of us knowing where most of the DUI's happen. Very unfair when there are multiple restaurants around the squares to say where anyone got drunk because they are walking around. If they stop at City Fire or Red Sauce etc., it doesn't mean that's where they had too much.
People need to take responsibility for themselves. I have seen many people get cut off. Then they go get one of their friends to buy them a drink. Can't blame the bar.

[PennBF]

It is not "Rocket Science" as a solution is to have a Sheriff Deputy at the square observing the behaviors at the main bars at Lake Sumter which are mobbed in most evenings. The ones at risk are the innocent people driving or in carts on the carts paths who may be injured or killed because of the idiot drunk who did not know enough to stop or have someone drive for them. We have a couple of retired Addiction Counselor's in the family and when we drive by the bars in the evening it is always commented regarding the poor people these idiots may hit. Why the Sheriff is not assigning someone to observe these area's is a mystery. Have they been told not to because of the negative publicity, are they just ignoring the problem exists as everyone can observe the drunks walking around with open containers, etc? As a side point the largest area of increases in drinking problems are people over 60 not the youth. :mornincoffee:

[manaboutown]

The establishments alluded to by the OP were obvious to me the first time I ever saw them. I gave them a wide berth walking due to the toxic haze from the cigarette smoke surrounding their porches - and this was on a weekday afternoon. I imagine at night whatever goes on there increases by an order of magnitude. Those places are gold mines for the owners, no doubt about it!

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1441809]I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get

Hi, well, I had some real first hand experience with my parents, drinking and driving. Have seen it all, I do not drink. OK. Consider this, the name of the game here is to drink, to drink, and to make money, so be it. When a location such as the Villages and the management condones happy hours going on and on, early in the day and till late, plenty of parking in front of the watering hole then the heavy drinkers are going to be a problem. This event is like the tree that is going bad, it starts to rot from the top down. OK go ahead and correct me. I have a good friend who is a lawyer. Here is his take on this: This will go on until, due to a major tragic event, there will unfortunately be a major crash or drastic fatalities. . A group of folks will sue the management for millions because they make this all possible. Then the management will get the message. Sorry folks, your suggestions will not change anything.:wave:
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[Harry Gilbert]

Here is the law on this subject:

768.125 Liability for injury or damage resulting from intoxication.—A person who sells or furnishes alcoholic beverages to a person of lawful drinking age shall not thereby become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such person, except that a person who willfully and unlawfully sells or furnishes alcoholic beverages to a person who is not of lawful drinking age or who knowingly serves a person habitually addicted to the use of any or all alcoholic beverages may become liable for injury or damage caused by or resulting from the intoxication of such minor or person.
History.—s. 1, ch. 80-37.

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0768/Sections/0768.125.html)

Very beneficial for the bar or restaurant.

[Taltarzac725]

Florida’s Dram Shop Laws: What You Need To Know - (https://www.hensleylaw.com/blog/florida-dram-shop-laws/)

Being a good friend of a patron and not looking out for him works to your disadvantage if you are a server/host/ etc.

[Polar Bear]

[QUOTE=Chatbrat;1441809]...Sorry folks, your suggestions will not change anything.[/B]:wave:
]
You assume the need or desire for change. TV is not as different from other places as many would profess it to be.

[Gpsma]

[QUOTE=bbbbbb;1441904]
You assume the need or desire for change. TV is not as different as other places as many would profess it to be.

Many advocates of "temperance" will quickly bring up DWI as an excuse to control other's consumption of alcohol.

[Chi-Town]

Already covered in FL.

n. a statute (Dram Shop*Act) or caselaw*in 43 states which makes a business which sells alcoholic drinks or a host who serves liquor to a drinker who is obviously intoxicated or close to it, strictly liable to anyone injured by the drunken patron or guest.

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[Chatbrat]

In Fl the business is allowed to totally exempt, except if the patrol was under 21 or known to have drinking problem--you would think the trial lawyers would work to change this law-after all, they look for the deepest pockets

[graciegirl]

Already covered in FL.

n. a statute (Dram Shop*Act) or caselaw*in 43 states which makes a business which sells alcoholic drinks or a host who serves liquor to a drinker who is obviously intoxicated or close to it, strictly liable to anyone injured by the drunken patron or guest.

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Is Dram shop something from Chicago? I have never heard that term.

Here is some general information.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/dram-shop-liability-state-statutes.aspx


Some states do not allow children to be seated where alcohol is served. Not so in Ohio. The local pubs often have families dining in view of the bar. (All those beer drinkin' Germans)

[Dan9871]

Is Dram shop something from Chicago? I have never heard that term.

"Dram shop or dramshop is a legal term in the United States referring to a bar, tavern or the like where alcoholic beverages are sold. Traditionally, it referred to a shop where spirits were sold by the dram, a small unit of liquid."

Dram shop - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dram_shop)

[graciegirl]

"Dram shop or dramshop is a legal term in the United States referring to a bar, tavern or the like where alcoholic beverages are sold. Traditionally, it referred to a shop where spirits were sold by the dram, a small unit of liquid."

Dram shop - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dram_shop)

Apparently a term not used much in Ohio or Florida.

Our niece is a regional sales representative for a major U.S. Wine Company. Uncle was regional sales manager for many years for Jim Beam. Father and Grandfather were managing directors of a large family owned brewery in Ohio. Both brewmasters. Just because I don't drink, doesn't mean I haven't heard the language. I have never heard a bar called a dram shop. EVER. Until this day. Shows you that our language is regional. We try not to get on the wrong side of the law.... Although a couple of lawyers have snuck into the family.

[Chatbrat]

The term is in the florida statute

[Miles42]

Its The Villages Old Folks drink.

[Wiotte]

Its The Villages Old Folks drink.



Boredom ?

[spring_chicken]

The term is used nationwide. It is a LEGAL term, not a REGIONAL term.

[graciegirl]

The term is used nationwide. It is a LEGAL term, not a REGIONAL term.

I have never heard it. I imagine the TERM is used in states that have the law in place that places responsibility for drunks on the server, which Ohio does not. Betcha. Ever heard the terms three two and six percent in reference to alcohol serving?

I just asked my husband if he knew what a dram shop is and he said no. He isn't a dummy.

[Chi-Town]

Is Dram shop something from Chicago? I have never heard that term.

Here is some general information.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/financial-services-and-commerce/dram-shop-liability-state-statutes.aspx


Some states do not allow children to be seated where alcohol is served. Not so in Ohio. The local pubs often have families dining in view of the bar. (All those beer drinkin' Germans)Cook county has a dram shop law on the books. Hard to believe I know in the land of Al Capone.

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[manaboutown]

I have never heard it. I imagine the TERM is used in states that have the law in place that places responsibility for drunks on the server, which Ohio does not. Betcha. Ever heard the terms three two and six percent in reference to alcohol serving?

I just asked my husband if he knew what a dram shop is and he said no. He isn't a dummy.

It is a legal term arising from the 19th century temperance movement. Dram shop - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dram_shop)

As a first year law student I first heard the term used in class by my torts professor.

[bagboy]

I have never heard it. I imagine the TERM is used in states that have the law in place that places responsibility for drunks on the server, which Ohio does not. Betcha. Ever heard the terms three two and six percent in reference to alcohol serving?

I just asked my husband if he knew what a dram shop is and he said no. He isn't a dummy.

I guess we called dram shops beer joints or pubs way back when in Ohio. I remember 3.2% beer with the red circle of wording on top of the can for 18 to 21 year olds. I was told 3.2 beer was just that, and 6% was actually about 3.8%. And there was a time years ago in Ohio that a parent could order alcohol for a minor in a bar, but the establishment could refuse to serve it knowing it was for the child. I bet that has changed.

[graciegirl]

I guess we called dram shops beer joints or pubs way back when in Ohio. I remember 3.2% beer with the red circle of wording on top of the can for 18 to 21 year olds. I was told 3.2 beer was just that, and 6% was actually about 3.8%. And there was a time years ago in Ohio that a parent could order alcohol for a minor in a bar, but the establishment could refuse to serve it knowing it was for the child. I bet that has changed.

You are right. In some states people mistakenly call pop, "soda".

[Gpsma]

So what do you call "club soda"...club pop?

[manaboutown]

The only place I have ever heard "dram" used in ordinary discourse is Scotland.

Urban Dictionary: Dram (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dram)

[Kathrynsews]

I have never heard it. I imagine the TERM is used in states that have the law in place that places responsibility for drunks on the server, which Ohio does not. Betcha. Ever heard the terms three two and six percent in reference to alcohol serving?

I just asked my husband if he knew what a dram shop is and he said no. He isn't a dummy.

Dram Shop Laws and Social Host Liability for Alcohol-Related Accidents in Ohio | Nolo.com (http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/dram-shop-laws-social-host-liability-alcohol-related-accidents-ohio.html)

Actually, Ohio does have a dram shop law. I have never heard of a bar, tavern, drinking establishment called a 'dram shop' either, but that's the legal term for the law, and I think most states have one. I guess the folks most likely to be familiar with the term are the owners of establishments serving liquor, or lawyers.

[rubicon]

Any plaintiff attorney worth his salt would sue anyone and everyone connected to the chain of events that lead to a driver becoming intoxicated.

In some states Bar owners try and shift he burden of liability by requiring their staff to carry their own liability insurance. I question that this practice would free up liability on the part of the owner?

Based on the comments made under the thread Restaurants it appears a good number of residents drink.

The OP referenced one restaurant with multiple locations as a source of DWI. I'll wager the cops are way ahead of the OP and often do a stake out right at the front door of this/these bars.

A bigger concern for me is DUI associated with drugs, especially marijuana because their is not an effective test to determine levels. Given the push for legalization of recreational marijuana this is an issue. Experts estimate that it is creating a 3% increase in DUI's resulting in accidents.

Marijuana use is going to be a bigger problem/issue that alcohol because the former is going to be harder to detect ...

Personal Best Regards:

[Nucky]

I took Dram to mean what we called in my region a Shot & Beer Joint. You can dislike drinking all you want. I have seen during my life that it is the Big Eraser. Erases lives, families, jobs, etc. etc. etc. and once it gets a hold on a person and they don't make the decision themselves that they want to stop then the foolishness that surrounds drinking too much will not end. We have to face facts, if you have the money and are retired and like to drink then you moved to The Drinking Olympics Heaven.

I have a friend in New Jersey who faced losing everything he had compiled in his life and turned to A.A. and I'll be damned. It worked. He just celebrated I think about 23 years of sobriety and said he wouldn't trade his life now for a Martini. When I complimented him on his achievement he brush off the praise and gave it all to A.A. and his sponsor. After talking to him about the war days of drinking it makes me feel sorry for the person who get flagged at a bar. Maybe they don't know how to stop. All he had to do was call a toll free number and want to be helped.

[Gpsma]

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking.

However this is a big drinking community. I have often wondered how many never really drank much while they were working and now find themselves drinking often.

[Yung Dum]

I think the responsibility lies solely with the drinker. If you know you're going out and will be drinking, don't drive. Have a good time and don't hurt anyone. If you unexpectedly drink too much, leave the car or cart in a parking lot and take a taxi. Uber could clean up here. Of course some people don't want to pay a few bucks to save lives, even their own. Let the authorities take care of them. Don't leave it to the servers. We're not irresponsible teenagers here, so why do so many of us act like they are?

[Polar Bear]

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking...
My thoughts also, Gpsma.

[jsw14]

I think the responsibility lies solely with the drinker. If you know you're going out and will be drinking, don't drive. Have a good time and don't hurt anyone. If you unexpectedly drink too much, leave the car or cart in a parking lot and take a taxi. Uber could clean up here. Of course some people don't want to pay a few bucks to save lives, even their own. Let the authorities take care of them. Don't leave it to the servers. We're not irresponsible teenagers here, so why do so many of us act like they are?

I'll have a Beer on that note.....:beer3:

[Yung Dum]

I'll have a Beer on that note.....:beer3:
Make it 2 and then we call a taxi.

[jsw14]

Make it 2 and then we call a taxi.

Yah Buddy, the first Beer is on me.....:wave:

[Topspinmo]

I'm hesitant to name a location, but one are restaurant with 2 locations seems to have more than their fair share of DUI"s and one of them resulted in a fatality

IMHO, management should instruct their servers when to cut people off

Maybe the authorities should check and post the results of which establishments have the most patrons who get arrested for DUI--

Health violations are published

IMO the Villages should be alcohol free. Some people have that big monkey on they're back and can't knock it off. Lots of weak irresponsible people, for some alcohol is least of their problems! So what's the point?

[Yung Dum]

IMO the Villages should be alcohol free. Some people have that big monkey on they're back and can't knock it off. Lots of weak irresponsible people, for some alcohol is least of their problems! So what's the point?
That's quite a can of worms you just opened.

[Topspinmo]

Any plaintiff attorney worth his salt would sue anyone and everyone connected to the chain of events that lead to a driver becoming intoxicated.

In some states Bar owners try and shift he burden of liability by requiring their staff to carry their own liability insurance. I question that this practice would free up liability on the part of the owner?

Based on the comments made under the thread Restaurants it appears a good number of residents drink.

The OP referenced one restaurant with multiple locations as a source of DWI. I'll wager the cops are way ahead of the OP and often do a stake out right at the front door of this/these bars.

A bigger concern for me is DUI associated with drugs, especially marijuana because their is not an effective test to determine levels. Given the push for legalization of recreational marijuana this is an issue. Experts estimate that it is creating a 3% increase in DUI's resulting in accidents.

Marijuana use is going to be a bigger problem/issue that alcohol because the former is going to be harder to detect ...

Personal Best Regards:

Don't you mean a lying slim ball lawyer. One of the many problems in this country TOOO MANNNY starving LAWYERS.

[Nucky]

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking.

However this is a big drinking community. I have often wondered how many never really drank much while they were working and now find themselves drinking often.

Me to Gpsma. I'm amazed also. There are many people who drink responsibly like a human but they get little attention because they are drinking the way booze was intended to be used I believe. It's the sad stories that get the attention.

[graciegirl]

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[Topspinmo]

Me to Gpsma. I'm amazed also. There are many people who drink responsibly like a human but they get little attention because they are drinking the way booze was intended to be used I believe. It's the sad stories that get the attention.

Drinking is weakness, crutch, or excuse. first time of trouble they reach for the bottle,

[Wiotte]

Drinking is weakness, crutch, or excuse. first time of trouble they reach for the bottle,



Not everyone who drinks is weak. Some people self medicate just enough to take off the edge.
As my father told me many times, "don't ever trust a man who doesn't drink" There is some wisdom in that.

[Fredster]

Drinking is weakness, crutch, or excuse. first time of trouble they reach for the bottle,

That line of thinking is really old school,
thankfully there are more people with current
knowledge about alcoholism and drinking these days!

[Nucky]

I'm out because I don't even have a clue how to answer. I surrender.

[Yung Dum]

Drinking is weakness, crutch, or excuse. first time of trouble they reach for the bottle,
Sounds personal to you. Sorry.

[Wiotte]

I'm out because I don't even have a clue how to answer. I surrender.



Live to fight another day ?

[Wiotte]

Drinking is weakness, crutch, or excuse. first time of trouble they reach for the bottle,



I think I get it. Time to let go.

[rubicon]

I'm often amazed how condescending those who don't drink can be to those who enjoy alcohol. Not everyone becomes an alcoholic and not everyone gets into their car and drives after drinking.

However this is a big drinking community. I have often wondered how many never really drank much while they were working and now find themselves drinking often.

What people say and how it is received often gets lost in translation.

I can only speak for myself but my work experiences with people involved in accidents as a result of drinking vary from just once they got carried away with celebrating and...... to a number of accidents wherein the at fault driver is an alcoholic and nothing stops this individual from drinking and driving even without a license. Anyone who investigates the aftermath of a fatality resulting from a person driving DWI/DUI walks away with the commitment that sobriety when behind the wheel is a good decision.

I forget which Scandinavian country ( I believe Norway)
0.02 % of alcoholic content is defined as under the influence and that means probably one glass of beer. the article continued on that's why most walk home from the bar after their visit

so some of critics are not being condescending just prescient

Personal Best Regards:

[Bonny]

Drinking is weakness, crutch, or excuse. first time of trouble they reach for the bottle,
Not sure where you are getting your information from. Maybe it's personal.

[Bonny]

IMO the Villages should be alcohol free. Some people have that big monkey on they're back and can't knock it off. Lots of weak irresponsible people, for some alcohol is least of their problems! So what's the point?
Well, then we could continue.... pet free, gun free and on and on.....

[jsw14]

I always pack a few Beers in my cooler when I golf. BTW, I'm look'in for my 3rd Hole-In-One. I hope it comes soon....

[Topspinmo]

Not sure where you are getting your information from. Maybe it's personal.

If you have to have drink to get the day started its crutch, if you have to have drink to socialize it's weakness, if you have to have glass of wine at ever meal it's and excuse. Sorry I couldn't let it go, I seen too many life's ruined or lost from alcohol. Ok I'll let it go.

[Bonny]

If you have to have drink to get the day started its crutch, if you have to have drink to socialize it's weakness, if you have to have glass of wine at ever meal it's and excuse. Sorry I couldn't let it go, I seen too many life's ruined or lost from alcohol. Ok I'll let it go.
Wow, that's quite a, analogy. Don't know how many close to you that fit this, but it does sound very sad. So sorry.
Thank goodness this has not been my experience.

[graciegirl]

In Is Tavern a The There Cox Town-Wally - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=In+Is+Tavern+a+The+There+Cox+Town-Wally&&view=detail&mid=1437F0B2CD873C5618921437F0B2CD873C561892&FORM=VRDGAR)

[dewilson58]

In Is Tavern a The There Cox Town-Wally - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=In+Is+Tavern+a+The+There+Cox+Town-Wally&&view=detail&mid=1437F0B2CD873C5618921437F0B2CD873C561892&FORM=VRDGAR)



:bigbow:

[jsw14]

Wow, that's quite a, analogy. Don't know how many close to you that fit this, but it does sound very sad. So sorry.
Thank goodness this has not been my experience.

I'll PoP a Beer on that. Ya'LL have a nice day now Ya Here......

[Bonny]

I'll PoP a Beer on that. Ya'LL have a nice day now Ya Here......
I think I'm hearing the cork pop off my bottle of wine. :wine::crap2:

[jsw14]

U GO Girl............Enjoy!!!:beer3:

[graciegirl]

the whiffenpoof song - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+whiffenpoof+song&view=detail&mid=E4DA6760F0138037FC83E4DA6760F0138037FC83&FORM=VIRE)

[graciegirl]

Drink Drink Drink (The Drinking Song) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI3Bcgh4Jko)

Ein prosit.

[manaboutown]

The D.U.I song D.U.I. - The Offspring - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwomLWNz4GY)

[dewilson58]

If you have to have drink to get the day started its crutch, if you have to have drink to socialize it's weakness, if you have to have glass of wine at ever meal it's and excuse. Sorry I couldn't let it go, I seen too many life's ruined or lost from alcohol. Ok I'll let it go.

If people don't drink, I won't have any friends...........I'm more likable after a couple.

[Wiotte]

This was me at the U of D, Belushi asked permission for my story.
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https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170901/d5a587597302b3e201fd918795cc927d.jpg

And the food fight scene also. Just ask any of my TKE brothers
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[Fredster]

Wow, that's quite a, analogy. Don't know how many close to you that fit this, but it does sound very sad. So sorry.
Thank goodness this has not been my experience.

Bonny, you are rare to not have someone in your circle of friends and family without the problem since...
"More than seven percent of the population ages 18 years and older -- nearly 13.8 million Americans --
have problems with drinking, including 8.1 million people who suffer from alcoholism.
20% of suicide victims in the United States are alcoholics."
It is all over and all around, yet there are a lot of people that can and do drink responsibly and do not become addicted!

[rubicon]

Too many posters are deflecting here. The topic is "too many DUI's (DWI's) , not about addicts or someone's opinion on the use of alcohol or drinking ,etc. People who drive should not drink for their sake and the sake of family friends and the public.

[dewilson58]

Bonny, you are rare to not have someone in your circle of friends and family without the problem since...
"More than seven percent of the population ages 18 years and older -- nearly 13.8 million Americans --
have problems with drinking, including 8.1 million people who suffer from alcoholism.
20% of suicide victims in the United States are alcoholics."
It is all over and all around, yet there are a lot of people that can and do drink responsibly and do not become addicted!

According to your stats.............4% of the populations are alcoholics and 20% of all suicides are alcoholics. This tells me the alcoholics in the US, as a percentage, are going down.

Interesting.

[Gpsma]

Sad that so many are intolerant of those that can drink responsibly. Reminds me of my dil that is a vegan and looks down her nose when we eat our "animal friends".

Im sorry so many here might have had alcohol problems themselves or their family but everyone who drinks or occasionally might get tipsy is NOT an alcoholic.

[Fredster]

Too many posters are deflecting here. The topic is "too many DUI's (DWI's) , not about addicts or someone's opinion on the use of alcohol or drinking ,etc. People who drive should not drink for their sake and the sake of family friends and the public.

I really have trouble understanding how they don't relate.
You said the topic is too many DUI's (DWI's)
well those are given to people who've drunk too much alcohol.
So you are going to get a lot of opinions on alcohol.
Personally, I believe if a person gets one or two DUI's there is a pretty good chance they
have a serious alcohol problem that they'd be wise to address!
Clarify your last sentence...I read it that you believe that even a person
who drinks responsibly should never drive at all.

[graciegirl]

Sad that so many are intolerant of those that can drink responsibly. Reminds me of my dil that is a vegan and looks down her nose when we eat our "animal friends".

Im sorry so many here might have had alcohol problems themselves or their family but everyone who drinks or occasionally might get tipsy is NOT an alcoholic.

I don't recall anyone saying that or even getting close.
I read back and one poster was quite strong in his wording but no one else was. Drinking and driving is a big BIG problem. WHENEVER it is done. I never preached don't drink to my descendants but I did preach DON'T drink and drive.

[Fredster]

According to your stats.............4% of the populations are alcoholics and 20% of all suicides are alcoholics. This tells me the alcoholics in the US, as a percentage, are going down.

Interesting.

That would be great, but I'm not sure what the total figures would be if
Opioids, abused RX's and other mind altering chemicals were included.

[Erika]

Gracie....why would someone not invite you just because you don't drink? But then again the worst thing is a drunk around sober people or someone sober around a bunch of drunks.

I have had friends who owned bars and restaurants. They have always been reluctant to cut off drunks unless they are falling down or causing trouble. In reality, if you serve someone 3 or 4 drinks they are probably "legally" drunk. If they can handle their booze no bar owner is going to cut off a paying customer. They probably would just find another bar

In many states it is a criminal offense for the bartender to continue serving a customer who is obviously drunk. The bartender and restaurant owner are also liable if the inebriated patron leaves the bar and is involved in a car accident. When you state that "no bar owner is going to cut off a paying customer" he or she should think of the potential civil suit and incarceration if s/he is convicted.Mothers Against Drunk Drivers have been very successful in pursuing states to adopt such laws against bartenders etc. who serve one too many to a patron. Losing one's child to a drunk driver is one of the most horrific things that life
can throw your way.

[BK001]

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Big Belly Laugh you Damsel Dark LOL:MOJE_whot: Altogether now, "There is a Tavern in the Town, in the town ..."

I guess this will be today's "ear worm"! Thank you very much. LOL

[jsw14]

Hmmm, I wounder how many would show-up if TOTV has there Meet & Greet in a place where they sell Beer & Alcohol..? It might just be a Full House.....

[rubicon]

I really have trouble understanding how they don't relate.
You said the topic is too many DUI's (DWI's)
well those are given to people who've drunk too much alcohol.
So you are going to get a lot of opinions on alcohol.
Personally, I believe if a person gets one or two DUI's there is a pretty good chance they
have a serious alcohol problem that they'd be wise to address!
Clarify your last sentence...I read it that you believe that even a person
who drinks responsibly should never drive at all.

Fredster:

My only point is that some posters were carrying the subject matter to the moral question of using alcohol (period) Mine was a clarification that drinking and driving is a fatal mixture.

As to my last sentence . there are many people who have a low tolerance for alcohol and can actually be impaired with a drink or two. Heck i have a glass of wine often with my meals at home and have on occasion with a half wine glass of wine got a buzz...much to my surprise. Ergo the safest measure is don't drink and drive and if something unfortunate happens and blood-alcohol is tested the driver will pass with flying colors.

[Gpsma]

In many states it is a criminal offense for the bartender to continue serving a customer who is obviously drunk. The bartender and restaurant owner are also liable if the inebriated patron leaves the bar and is involved in a car accident. When you state that "no bar owner is going to cut off a paying customer" he or she should think of the potential civil suit and incarceration if s/he is convicted.Mothers Against Drunk Drivers have been very successful in pursuing states to adopt such laws against bartenders etc. who serve one too many to a patron. Losing one's child to a drunk driver is one of the most horrific things that life
can throw your way.

Most bartenders dont care about the law or potential liability....they just are interested in tips.

The bar/restaurant owners simply shield themselves with insurance and corporation status. My friends that own bars arent even on the paperwork. Others are on the liquor license and corporation papers.

I guess that would not apply to large organizations like TGIF.

[manaboutown]

Most bartenders dont care about the law or potential liability....they just are interested in tips.

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[graciegirl]

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[sallybowron]

Gracie....why would someone not invite you just because you don't drink? But then again the worst thing is a drunk around sober people or someone sober around a bunch of drunks.

I have had friends who owned bars and restaurants. They have always been reluctant to cut off drunks unless they are falling down or causing trouble. In reality, if you serve someone 3 or 4 drinks they are probably "legally" drunk. If they can handle their booze no bar owner is going to cut off a paying customer. They probably would just find another bar

My brother owns a bar in Cincinnati. When he realizes a person is drunk he tells them he is calling a cab for them. More times than not they take the cab home. Thank God he has had no one have a drunk driving complication. I don't drink or smoke either Gracie but I do find it a little hard to converse with a really drunk person, they keep spitting as they speak! Yukky
:wine::cus:

[manaboutown]

I don't drink or smoke either Gracie but I do find it a little hard to converse with a really drunk person, they keep spitting as they speak! Yukky
:wine::cus:

Those who chew also spit, drunk or not, ugh!

[graciegirl]

Those who chew also spit, drunk or not, ugh!

We all seem to have found the lowest common denominator today.

I blame that damn Irma out there........


waiting.

[jsw14]

Labor Day weekend is here. Dollar General has Busch Beer for $7.95 an 18 pack.. What a Great deal... Ya'll have a nice Holiday....

[Chi-Town]

Labor Day weekend is here. Dollar General has Busch Beer for $7.95 an 18 pack.. What a Great deal... Ya'll have a nice Holiday....Busch Beer and Dollar General. Perfect supplier/seller combination.

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