Storage shed

[lorilorilori]

Any suggestions or ideas for a Storage Shed at a Courtyard Villa?

Build one from a contractor ?
Buy a plastic one ?

Want it to store outdoor equipment and not take up space in the garage.

[Bogie Shooter]

You may want to read your deed restrictions.

[Kahuna32162]

Looks like a pending annomous future complaint.

[Wiotte]

It's a courtyard villa. No one will see it.

Amazon.com: storage sheds outdoor (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_1_12?k=storage+sheds+outdoor&sprefix=storage+shed)

[njbchbum]

Bogie is correct! Most deed restrictions do not permit structures that are NOT attached to the house. More likely that your storage idea would need to be constructed as physically attached...AND...require the approval of the Architectural Review Committee.

If the deed restrictions for your District are not handy, you can look them up here - as well as review the External Deed Restriction Standards, too: VCDD Community Standards (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Standards/community-standards.aspx)

[Carl in Tampa]

You may want to read your deed restrictions.

:agree:

Probably forbidden. A "free standing" plastic one is almost surely out of the question. Anything else might require building code approvals that would probably be withheld.

[njbchbum]

It's a courtyard villa. No one will see it.


Wanna bet? lol

[Wiotte]

Again, it's a courtyard villa, no one will see it.

[fred53]

Again, it's a courtyard villa, no one will see it.

that is a problem. You bought here...knowing there are restrictions. If you don't like them move.

[Fredster]

Again, it's a courtyard villa, no one will see it.

Rumor has it that some of the deed restriction trolls,
are planning to use drones to spot violations from on high! :1rotfl:

[Bonnevie]

after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

[Mleeja]

Any suggestions or ideas for a Storage Shed at a Courtyard Villa?

Build one from a contractor ?
Buy a plastic one ?

Want it to store outdoor equipment and not take up space in the garage.

I guess the question is what are you going to store? There are storage benches that folks use to store seat cushions etc. They are also patio seating. i can see at least two of these in my neighbors back yards. This would seem to be acceptable as outside storage.

[Sandtrap328]

To be sure that a storage shed would be allowed in a courtyard villa yard, call the Deed Restrictions office and ask them. Better yet, get the ARC to give WRITTEN permission.

[rubicon]

after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

[JoMar]

I think the OP was stirring a bit......the OP wouldn't have purchased without reading the deed restrictions.....nobody does that right? :)

[jsw14]

after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

I Agree Bonnevie. Get a Plastic one, It's like ur Not go'in put it in ur driveway so everybody can see it next to ur garage door:thumbup:

[Fredster]

I understand the value of deed restrictions or
we would have all kinds of storage structures
being installed on properties.
So check your deed restrictions.

What I personally believe is problematic about the enforcement system, is that it is totally complaint driven,
and because of that, deed restriction violations are not uniformly enforced.
I will not say what they are, but I know of a large number of homes that are not in compliance,
but because the violations are not really ugly and because no one has complained they exist.

[rubicon]

I Agree Bonnevie. Get a Plastic one, It's like ur Not go'in put it in ur driveway so everybody can see it next to ur garage door:thumbup:

I see from your public profile that you live in Springdale.
Thank God. And yes I know your reply will be " I'll have another beer on that"

[jsw14]

I understand the value of deed restrictions or
we would have all kinds of storage structures
being installed on properties.
So check your deed restrictions.

What I personally believe is problematic about the enforcement system, is that it is totally complaint driven,
and because of that, deed restriction violations are not uniformly enforced.
I will not say what they are, but I know of a large number of homes that are not in compliance,
but because the violations are not really ugly and because no one has complained they exist.

Hmmmm, ru say'in U peek-over the Villa wall's?? Just ask'in....

[Fredster]

Hmmmm, ru say'in U peek-over the Villa wall's?? Just ask'in....

No peeking over walls is necessary, they are in plain sight!:eek:

[jsw14]

No peeking over walls is necessary, they are in plain sight!:eek:

Hmmm, Personalty I don't look for homes that are Not in compliance with the TV Deed... Plus I can't see it from my house..:smiley:

[drdodge]

Find a contractor and have them build it you will not a build permitbut i would check with build inspector. Keep it around 600to 800 square feet, the plastic ones are crap i had one one courtyard villa, build it in the rear to the left, just beyond the master bedroom
darrell

[John_W]

Any suggestions or ideas for a Storage Shed at a Courtyard Villa?



You're in a new CYV, so your back masonry wall is 7' high and your side vinyl fencing is 6-1/2' high, that's what mine are. So there's no reason anyone should be able to see one of these. I was in Sam's Club a couple of days ago and they were on sale for $99.96 and they had them in stock.

If a curious person considered that an eyesore, I've got a neighbor in a CYV with a huge birdcase with a hot tub and a big rock waterfall and that storage box is not as tall as either the hot tub or his waterfall. I don't see how they could approve them and not approve a small storage box like this, that is if you bothered to ask. I've looked at these, and they can easily hold a few rakes and hand tools or a lawn mower.

https://images.samsclubresources.com/is/image/samsclub/0073116103680_C?wid=380&hei=380&qlt=80&op_sharpen=1

Keter Rockwood 150-Gallon Outdoor Plastic Storage Box, Brown - Sam's Club (https://www.samsclub.com/sams/150-gal-deck-box/prod8340178.ip?xid=plp:product:1:24)

[Bogie Shooter]

after reading some of the less than charitable replies, the answer is clearly to buy a plastic one so if some nosy nellie decides to report you, you won't have spent much and it's easy to dismantle. many people have them and they can not be seeen.

Why sure just go ahead without checking the rules. Hell, you might even get away with it........

[fw102807]

It is our understanding that our CYV deed allows anything that is below the wall and cannot be viewed from the street.

[lorilorilori]

You bought here...knowing there are restrictions. If you don't like them move.

I asked the ???? because I bought here
I want to know the restrictions,
so I do things right - not to move !!!

[Ecuadog]

I asked the ???? because I bought here
I want to know the restrictions,
so I do things right - not to move !!!

Welcome lorilorilori. You'll be just fine.

[Chi33]

You are in a Courtyard Villa, right. Don't listen to the biddies, buffers, goats, old bats and old goats. If no one can see it, do it. I don't see a BBQ listed on the lease. Plus, I know people who have done the boxes, and PM me and I will give you a call and you can come and see one. PS: Get a plastic one and keep good stuff in garage.

People are mean here if you do not go to their meetings (I did or did I?)

[jchase]

If they can't see it, don't worry about it!

[CFrance]

Here is an example of a rule and how to break it.:evil6:
(For you, DB.;) )

[HimandMe]

Some communities have a standard shed they allow that can handle wind etc and one color, size throughout the community. It can only be put in a certain area that is discrete near the house. They look neat and solve a lot of storage problems for items not needing to be inside.

[Bogie Shooter]

You are in a Courtyard Villa, right. Don't listen to the biddies, buffers, goats, old bats and old goats. If no one can see it, do it. I don't see a BBQ listed on the lease. Plus, I know people who have done the boxes, and PM me and I will give you a call and you can come and see one. PS: Get a plastic one and keep good stuff in garage.

People are mean here if you do not go to their meetings (I did or did I?)
What meetings?

[Bogie Shooter]

Some communities have a standard shed they allow that can handle wind etc and one color, size throughout the community. It can only be put in a certain area that is discrete near the house. They look neat and solve a lot of storage problems for items not needing to be inside.

And some communities allow chickens...............

[Bonnevie]

NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

I respect your opinion and I, too, want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhoods. but for me personally, if I can't see something, it doesn't bother me. btw, I have lived in Florida for over 30 years so I'm familiar with what you speak about. I think there's a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. so as long as the part of one's property that is exposed is presentable, I'm happy.

[collie1228]

It's a courtyard villa. No one will see it.

Amazon.com: storage sheds outdoor (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s_ss_i_1_12?k=storage+sheds+outdoor&sprefix=storage+shed)

Not true. I'm looking out my lanai windows at a deed violating storage shed in my neighbor's yard right now. I don't have to peek over the wall to see it - the entire roof line is visible. Doesn't bother me at all, in fact it looks rather nice, but if someone complains, the powers that be will force them to remove it.

[Trayderjoe]

NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

I respect your opinion and I, too, want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhoods. but for me personally, if I can't see something, it doesn't bother me. btw, I have lived in Florida for over 30 years so I'm familiar with what you speak about. I think there's a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. so as long as the part of one's property that is exposed is presentable, I'm happy.

I agree with Rubicon and others that the deed restrictions need to be followed (the letter versus the spirit). We were informed of the deed restrictions PRIOR TO buying our home and I can assure you that there was no one in the closing meeting that held any sort of weapon or leverage on me (other than my wife.....<g>) to buy our home here.

There is a very slippery slope here that we can COMPLETELY avoid if we followed the restrictions WE AGREED to follow when the home was purchased. While the discussion in this thread is relative to storage sheds, when there is a tacit agreement to violate a deed restriction because the topic of discussion doesn't bother a person one way or the other, just change the topic a little. How would you feel if your neighbor decided to adopt another dog or two in addition to the two they already had when they moved in? How about putting up inflatable displays (outside of approved time frames) in a yard? Pick another example if you like, it doesn't matter how small or large the issue may be to you.

All of the scenarios above may not bother someone, but each and every one of them might bother someone who chose to live here in part because of the deed restrictions. If you perceive the deed restrictions to be too onerous, then either sell your home and move to a neighborhood that will allow you the "freedom" that apparently The Villages does not offer to you, or follow the deed restrictions and just enjoy living here.

The slippery slope starts when we venture from the objective to the subjective. There are those who grouse about people turning them in for deed restrictions, those who complain about deed restriction violators, and those who pick and choose which restriction needs to be followed. All of that can easily be avoided if we don't go down the slope. Wouldn't life be so much simpler if we "manned up" and accepted responsibility for our choice to live here?

[Fredster]

I agree with Rubicon and others that the deed restrictions need to be followed (the letter versus the spirit). We were informed of the deed restrictions PRIOR TO buying our home and I can assure you that there was no one in the closing meeting that held any sort of weapon or leverage on me (other than my wife.....<g>) to buy our home here.

There is a very slippery slope here that we can COMPLETELY avoid if we followed the restrictions WE AGREED to follow when the home was purchased. While the discussion in this thread is relative to storage sheds, when there is a tacit agreement to violate a deed restriction because the topic of discussion doesn't bother a person one way or the other, just change the topic a little. How would you feel if your neighbor decided to adopt another dog or two in addition to the two they already had when they moved in? How about putting up inflatable displays (outside of approved time frames) in a yard? Pick another example if you like, it doesn't matter how small or large the issue may be to you.

All of the scenarios above may not bother someone, but each and every one of them might bother someone who chose to live here in part because of the deed restrictions. If you perceive the deed restrictions to be too onerous, then either sell your home and move to a neighborhood that will allow you the "freedom" that apparently The Villages does not offer to you, or follow the deed restrictions and just enjoy living here.

The slippery slope starts when we venture from the objective to the subjective. There are those who grouse about people turning them in for deed restrictions, those who complain about deed restriction violators, and those who pick and choose which restriction needs to be followed. All of that can easily be avoided if we don't go down the slope. Wouldn't life be so much simpler if we "manned up" and accepted responsibility for our choice to live here?
Your opinion is great, but look at the post prior to yours, and you will see that because deed restriction enforcement
is purely a complaint driven system and
it is not uniformily enforced.
A lot is determined by what type of neighbors one has!
There are many homes not in compliance that I know of,
and I don't think the home owners are purposely flaunting the restrictions.
Believe it or not, there are some things that may not be in compliance but they beautify a property and neighborhood.
Deed restrictions in the main are good, but keep in mind
they are created by humans and therfore not always perfect!
My opinion is that deed restrictions in the main are good, but the system for enforcement is not really good!

[gap2415]

I respect your opinion and I, too, want to maintain the integrity of the neighborhoods. but for me personally, if I can't see something, it doesn't bother me. btw, I have lived in Florida for over 30 years so I'm familiar with what you speak about. I think there's a difference between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. so as long as the part of one's property that is exposed is presentable, I'm happy.

Me too, how sensible. 99% of us just want a beautiful community and common sense. Rigid people wear me down if I let them. A law often cannot cover everything that comes up...of course it is the spirit not the letter of the law.

[fw102807]

Me too, how sensible. 99% of us just want a beautiful community and common sense. Rigid people wear me down if I let them. A law often cannot cover everything that comes up...of course it is the spirit not the letter of the law.

I so agree... rigid people are so tedious

[Trayderjoe]

Your opinion is great, but look at the post prior to yours, and you will see that because deed restriction enforcement
is purely a complaint driven system and
it is not uniformily enforced.
A lot is determined by what type of neighbors one has!
There are many homes not in compliance that I know of,
and I don't think the home owners are purposely flaunting the restrictions.
Believe it or not, there are some things that may not be in compliance but they beautify a property and neighborhood.
Deed restrictions in the main are good, but keep in mind
they are created by humans and therfore not always perfect!
My opinion is that deed restrictions in the main are good, but the system for enforcement is not really good!

Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that the deed restrictions are not uniformly applied since it is a complaint driven system. However, wouldn't it all be moot IF the deed restrictions were followed by all? One could argue that the subjectivity is being applied by the neighbors (I don't think we should be in a police state, just that people should accept responsibility for their decisions) because the "offense" doesn't bother them. However, I do think that the Villages is walking a fine line in not appearing to be a police state by "cracking down" on the offenders unless there is a blatant "offense".

Where people don't know that they violated the restrictions, my question is why don't they know? Did they not review the restrictions before they bought the home? If not, why not?

I also agree that the restrictions may not be perfect, but you CAN go to the AR review board. I know that not every application is turned down by the board, so where there is an enhancement to the area, I suspect it would be considered. Maybe not all of them will be approved, but there is a system and apparently there are those who choose to not follow the restrictions or the system that was set up to ask for approval.

My personal "soapbox" is that, generally speaking, personal accountability and responsibility for making decisions is not owned by enough people, no matter where they live. I point to not complying with deed restrictions for whatever reason as one example of such behavior. Perhaps this also triggers the dreaded "entitlement" behavior that I unfortunately see as well-but that is a subject for another thread.

Thanks for the constructive dialogue!

[Fredster]

Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that the deed restrictions are not uniformly applied since it is a complaint driven system. However, wouldn't it all be moot IF the deed restrictions were followed by all? One could argue that the subjectivity is being applied by the neighbors (I don't think we should be in a police state, just that people should accept responsibility for their decisions) because the "offense" doesn't bother them. However, I do think that the Villages is walking a fine line in not appearing to be a police state by "cracking down" on the offenders unless there is a blatant "offense".

Where people don't know that they violated the restrictions, my question is why don't they know? Did they not review the restrictions before they bought the home? If not, why not?

I also agree that the restrictions may not be perfect, but you CAN go to the AR review board. I know that not every application is turned down by the board, so where there is an enhancement to the area, I suspect it would be considered. Maybe not all of them will be approved, but there is a system and apparently there are those who choose to not follow the restrictions or the system that was set up to ask for approval.

My personal "soapbox" is that, generally speaking, personal accountability and responsibility for making decisions is not owned by enough people, no matter where they live. I point to not complying with deed restrictions for whatever reason as one example of such behavior. Perhaps this also triggers the dreaded "entitlement" behavior that I unfortunately see as well-but that is a subject for another thread.

Thanks for the constructive dialogue!

Your welcome,
Did you ever consider that even though some new TV home buyers (existing homes) were aware of deed restrictions,
but previous owners might have planted or done things
that were not in compliance but were actually quite nice in appearance.
And these things were fine for many years, until some
new or irritated neighbor made a complaint.

Maybe you did. but I didn't match up every item in the deed restrictions
with the existing house I purchased,
which had existed as it was for 10+ years.
Plus I looked over my deed restrictions again just recently, and to me,
they are not the easiest or clearest read around!

[autumnspring]

Me too, how sensible. 99% of us just want a beautiful community and common sense. Rigid people wear me down if I let them. A law often cannot cover everything that comes up...of course it is the spirit not the letter of the law.

This can and has turned into ridiculous AND EXPENSIVE WARS.

We've contacted the architectural committee a while ago after first speaking to a neighbor and they were professional and polite. Long story short he had hired a landscape,"DESIGN EXPERT." The person declared HE WAS AN EXPERT with plenty of profanity. The CLAIMED EXPERT was wrong. He had not even filed the required plan and the archetectural committee forced him to first file a plan and then correct what he had done.

The policy of people ANONYMOUSLY turning in neighbors frankly reminds me of the Salem Witch Trials.

The original post is looking for a place to store lawn mower. I don't think it would fit into one of those boxes suggested by others. It would likely, as originally posted, require a shed. As to CODES-I DO NOT KNOW but if a shed is allowed the code may say you need to have it secured to a cement floor-foundation. There are some attractive sheds available-IF THEY ARE ALLOWED.

If, it seems unreasonable, remember this is FLORIDA. hurricanes are common. At a 120 mph wind YOUR unsecured ???????? can do a lot of damage.

[jsw14]

I mow my own yard, my stinky gas mower is on my front porch day & night. U will have a hard time see'in it from the road. If a hurricane comes, I'll strap it down to the rallying on the porch....
I'm more worried about the 3 Huge Oak Tree's in my yard. They have to be over 175-200 years Old!!! I can't strap them down...

[Chi33]

Lol

[Chi33]

I mow my own yard, my stinky gas mower is on my front porch day & night. U will have a hard time see'in it from the road. If a hurricane comes, I'll strap it down to the rallying on the porch....
I'm more worried about the 3 Huge Oak Tree's in my yard. They have to be over 175-200 years Old!!! I can't strap them down...

That's what she said...

[Mleeja]

Some of the deed restrictions have some "grey" in them and could be open to interpretation. However, the one on outbuildings is pretty clear. They are not permitted. Anyone thinking they could hide it behind a villa wall is taking a real chance. Anyone saying "just do it" is clearly giving bad advice. My question to them is, will they help pay the fines?

[vintageogauge]

play it safe and ask before you spend your money. If officially told you are not allowed, don't do it as you'll soon be taking it down and paying someone to haul it away. It only takes a phone call.

[Wiotte]

What if I want to place an attractive storage shed in my lanai ? It's fairly large at 17'x30'. It could easily accommodate a 6'x10' shed.

[perrjojo]

What if I want to place an attractive storage shed in my lanai ? It's fairly large at 17'x30'. It could easily accommodate a 6'x10' shed.
Don't ask us, ask ACC.

[Mrs. Robinson]

NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.


I disagree with you 100%.

To my way of thinking, the two main reasons people move to TV are:

1. The weather
2. The activities

I really don't think those who move here give too much thought to the deed restrictions, until such time as they want to do something and can't, because of said restrictions.

[Bogie Shooter]

What if I want to place an attractive storage shed in my lanai ? It's fairly large at 17'x30'. It could easily accommodate a 6'x10' shed.

If it feels good, do it.

[slipcovers]

What if I want to place an attractive storage shed in my lanai ? It's fairly large at 17'x30'. It could easily accommodate a 6'x10' shed.

You might have to move to the spare bedroom.:wave:

[Wiotte]

You might have to move to the spare bedroom.:wave:

You're probably right, squash that idea. :oops:

[asianthree]

Last year during a few high wind storms, we had chairs, umbrellas, and what looked like parts of a shed in our yard.

Our home watch person always asked everyone to bring in anything not anchored down. As she said it's ok for Dorothy and toto to fly around, but yard furniture and other things can cause huge amounts of damage to your property and others.

I agree with deed compliance, other wise you are going to have that 6 ft concrete dolphin living next to you, or somebody painting their house orange and purple. Our agreement at closing did state no outside structures. We chose oversized garage as well as a golf cart garage.

At our previous house in another village, the guy down the street had a full workshop in his garage and a shed next to it That he worked out of. We could hear the noise starting at 6 am until late in the night. We moved as did 5 other households. So be careful when you say go ahead no one will notice it may end up next door to you.

[Trayderjoe]

Your welcome,
Did you ever consider that even though some new TV home buyers (existing homes) were aware of deed restrictions,
but previous owners might have planted or done things
that were not in compliance but were actually quite nice in appearance.
And these things were fine for many years, until some
new or irritated neighbor made a complaint.

Maybe you did. but I didn't match up every item in the deed restrictions
with the existing house I purchased,
which had existed as it was for 10+ years.
Plus I looked over my deed restrictions again just recently, and to me,
they are not the easiest or clearest read around!

Actually your scenario is yet another reason that following the deed restrictions are important. Had the original seller done so, a future buyer might not end up having to remove that very nice patio that was built outside of the AR process by the original owner, but is subsequently found to be non-compliant. Conversely, the seller should have returned the property to a compliant status prior to the sale (I know, not likely) or disclosed the condition as part of the sale documentation. I confess to not knowing if there would be ramifications to the seller for omitting this information, although I suppose the time between the sale and discovery of the "defect" may have some influence.

I would also submit that one should not rely on the expertise of the contractor where it comes to what is allowed or not under the AR process. There are many posts on TOTV about this very topic, albeit they usually involve the "one off"contractors.

For sake of full disclosure, we are the first owners of our home, and we did review the deed restrictions just to be sure that nothing "stuck out at us". I agree that they are not the easiest read, although I did have to read several sections in the federal Code of Regulations as part of my job, so I guess I had some practice by the time the deed restriction documents came my way.

[Bonnevie]

I agree with Rubicon and others that the deed restrictions need to be followed (the letter versus the spirit). We were informed of the deed restrictions PRIOR TO buying our home and I can assure you that there was no one in the closing meeting that held any sort of weapon or leverage on me (other than my wife.....<g>) to buy our home here.

There is a very slippery slope here that we can COMPLETELY avoid if we followed the restrictions WE AGREED to follow when the home was purchased. While the discussion in this thread is relative to storage sheds, when there is a tacit agreement to violate a deed restriction because the topic of discussion doesn't bother a person one way or the other, just change the topic a little. How would you feel if your neighbor decided to adopt another dog or two in addition to the two they already had when they moved in? How about putting up inflatable displays (outside of approved time frames) in a yard? Pick another example if you like, it doesn't matter how small or large the issue may be to you.

All of the scenarios above may not bother someone, but each and every one of them might bother someone who chose to live here in part because of the deed restrictions. If you perceive the deed restrictions to be too onerous, then either sell your home and move to a neighborhood that will allow you the "freedom" that apparently The Villages does not offer to you, or follow the deed restrictions and just enjoy living here.

The slippery slope starts when we venture from the objective to the subjective. There are those who grouse about people turning them in for deed restrictions, those who complain about deed restriction violators, and those who pick and choose which restriction needs to be followed. All of that can easily be avoided if we don't go down the slope. Wouldn't life be so much simpler if we "manned up" and accepted responsibility for our choice to live here?

People choose the spirit of the law everyday. Do you exceed the speed limit ever? even unintentionally? you know when you get a license you are not to exceed the speed limit. have you ever been in the check out line with 11 instead of 10 items. I still maintain if it's out of sight, it's not a problem.

I agree it can be a slippery slope, but we will just have to agree to disagree as the saying goes and be glad that we are not neighbors.

[collie1228]

People choose the spirit of the law everyday. Do you exceed the speed limit ever? even unintentionally? you know when you get a license you are not to exceed the speed limit. have you ever been in the check out line with 11 instead of 10 items. I still maintain if it's out of sight, it's not a problem.

I agree it can be a slippery slope, but we will just have to agree to disagree as the saying goes and be glad that we are not neighbors.

When you get a ticket for doing 40 MPH in a 30 and plan to tell the judge you were only violating the letter of the law, "choosing" (preferring) the spirit of the law, please give me a call so I can witness his response. That could be fun.

[Rango]

NIMBY.... and the manner in which you reply tells us that indeed people are placing plastic/metal sheds in their yards. If true then someone is not doing their job .

Those nosy nellies you speak about understand and comply with the deed restrictions they agreed to and signed. They did so because they recognize that ultimately without such deed compliance this community is going to look trashy in a short period of time

So the uncharitable faction are not the residents abiding by deed restriction agreement but those breaching said agreement

There are basically two main reasons people moving to The Villages 1) golf 2) deed compliance.

If you traveled Florida you recognize that often you have to pass thru a bad area to get to a good area. With the community of villages ( developments)containing deed restrictions that unpleasantness is avoided.

Thinking like yours distracts and diminishes. Its unfortunate but we are all at the mercy of our neighbors and lately I am hearing some disturbing stories of neglect and abuse.

Bonnevie I do not like to be this direct but you have hit a nerve and that never is attached to most residents who live here.

Personal Best Regards:

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[gap2415]

What if I want to place an attractive storage shed in my lanai ? It's fairly large at 17'x30'. It could easily accommodate a 6'x10' shed.

If enclosed, not sure about screened, I don't think anyone can tell you what you can or cannot put in your home for storage purposes. Outside, I think it's been said a shed is okay if bolted to cement and attached to the house in case of storm. (Many are sealed so rain and pests of all kinds have difficulty getting inside). Good sellers build sheds according to wind levels for the area, at least they do in SW Florida. They get the permit for you but make sure you get a copy to be in accordance. If, I'm correct in The Villages approval of this, it certainly makes life easier for a designated shed company to make this clear that his sheds are approved or TV to offer them themselves.

[gap2415]

When you get a ticket for doing 40 MPH in a 30 and plan to tell the judge you were only violating the letter of the law, "choosing" (preferring) the spirit of the law, please give me a call so I can witness his response. That could be fun.

I really don't think the poster was thinking 40 in a 30 but a mile or two. Spirit of the law to me means the real sense of what is trying to be accomplished.....but then, the Pharisees will always be among us pointing out every minor slight.

[Barefoot]

You're in a new CYV, so your back masonry wall is 7' high and your side vinyl fencing is 6-1/2' high, that's what mine are. So there's no reason anyone should be able to see one of these. I was in Sam's Club a couple of days ago and they were on sale for $99.96 and they had them in stock.
I don't see how they could approve them and not approve a small storage box like this, that is if you bothered to ask. I've looked at these, and they can easily hold a few rakes and hand tools or a lawn mower.
https://images.samsclubresources.com/is/image/samsclub/0073116103680_C?wid=380&hei=380&qlt=80&op_sharpen=1

Keter Rockwood 150-Gallon Outdoor Plastic Storage Box, Brown - Sam's Club (https://www.samsclub.com/sams/150-gal-deck-box/prod8340178.ip?xid=plp:product:1:24)
Lori, a couple of storage boxes, low profile, should do the trick. :shrug: You don't need approval to add furniture.
The boxes are furniture, you can sit on them. Easy Peasy.
If they can't see it, don't worry about it!

[Bonnevie]

When you get a ticket for doing 40 MPH in a 30 and plan to tell the judge you were only violating the letter of the law, "choosing" (preferring) the spirit of the law, please give me a call so I can witness his response. That could be fun.

that wasn't my point. my point was people do it despite it not being the letter of the law. that people choose the spirit of the law many times in their lives without a second thought especially if they think they are not causing anyone else harm. people speed all the time, roll through stop signs, park crazy, etc. of course a judge will follow the letter of the law.

[Trayderjoe]

People choose the spirit of the law everyday. Do you exceed the speed limit ever? even unintentionally? you know when you get a license you are not to exceed the speed limit. have you ever been in the check out line with 11 instead of 10 items. I still maintain if it's out of sight, it's not a problem.

I agree it can be a slippery slope, but we will just have to agree to disagree as the saying goes and be glad that we are not neighbors.

Regarding the example of speed limits, my point would be that if you exceed the speed limit, you do have the chance to get a speeding ticket. I am not saying you will, but you do open yourself up to the potential to being ticketed. If one chooses to not follow the law/rule, that is up to the individual, but then that person should be prepared for the consequences they appear at their doorstep. The same thing applies with not following the deed restrictions and the current system. My position is that we all should be following the restrictions and use the AR system where we wish to make changes that fall outside and need review.

I am by no means advocating a "police state" and I am not one of those people driving around looking to report things. I find it interesting that people get upset if they do "get caught" and blame their neighbors or Community Watch when they should be looking in a mirror. Again, if you want the "freedom" to make changes without being turned in or going through an AR review, or getting approval from a homeowner's association such as in condominiums, then buy a single residential home and have fun.

You mentioned if the shed is out of sight it is not a problem and I don't disagree with you, my original point is that the issue is larger than the shed itself. Who is the arbiter of each rule? If a neighbor plays music loud enough for you to hear it in your home, and it bothers you but not your neighbors, does that mean it is ok for that music to continue? Or is it ok if it is for a one night party, but not ok if it happens every night? How about a neighbor who has their kids move in along with the grandkids (<19 years old) and they stay for more than 30 days? Does it become a problem if they are there for 40 days? Three months? A year? Longer?

I recognize that this is the real world and not all rules are followed and some rules are "crazy". If someone chooses not to follow a rule, that is a personal choice, but they need to be prepared to accept any consequences that may arise.

So, yes we can agree to disagree, but your comment about being neighbors based solely upon this discussion (since you don't know me personally) is interesting as it appears to me that you would not like to be neighbors with people who don't have the same opinion as you. Sounds like an inflexible position to me.....

[rivaridger1]

Good lord, what a thread. It's a court yard villa. Three 2' by 4', or 6' heavy duty plastic storage boxes between the villas solve the problem. Load them up with outdoor tools and maintenance items and they are not going anywhere in the wind and no one can see them. They can also be used as a bench. As for drones and people peeking over walls, sometimes at twilight I go into the hot tub on the lanai nude. Not much to see but a real cheap thrill for the voyeurs. Have at it. I don't believe any deed restrictions deal with that, do they ?

[perrjojo]

:pepper2: Sheds are also a good place to house rats. :coolsmiley::a040:

[Wiotte]

Sheds have many uses...not just for rake's anymore.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170905/1cc38da0f266de21e5cdf737f9d2033c.jpg

[rubicon]

I agree with Rubicon and others that the deed restrictions need to be followed (the letter versus the spirit). We were informed of the deed restrictions PRIOR TO buying our home and I can assure you that there was no one in the closing meeting that held any sort of weapon or leverage on me (other than my wife.....<g>) to buy our home here.

There is a very slippery slope here that we can COMPLETELY avoid if we followed the restrictions WE AGREED to follow when the home was purchased. While the discussion in this thread is relative to storage sheds, when there is a tacit agreement to violate a deed restriction because the topic of discussion doesn't bother a person one way or the other, just change the topic a little. How would you feel if your neighbor decided to adopt another dog or two in addition to the two they already had when they moved in? How about putting up inflatable displays (outside of approved time frames) in a yard? Pick another example if you like, it doesn't matter how small or large the issue may be to you.

All of the scenarios above may not bother someone, but each and every one of them might bother someone who chose to live here in part because of the deed restrictions. If you perceive the deed restrictions to be too onerous, then either sell your home and move to a neighborhood that will allow you the "freedom" that apparently The Villages does not offer to you, or follow the deed restrictions and just enjoy living here.

The slippery slope starts when we venture from the objective to the subjective. There are those who grouse about people turning them in for deed restrictions, those who complain about deed restriction violators, and those who pick and choose which restriction needs to be followed. All of that can easily be avoided if we don't go down the slope. Wouldn't life be so much simpler if we "manned up" and accepted responsibility for our choice to live here?

Trayderjoe" slippery slope"is exactly correct... or how about the averages go down when a batter steps away from the batting box... or how about as time passes and people get older the property begins to lack maintenance. My wife and I shook our heads this AM when playing golf as she pointed out a home that desperately needed care...on a golf course.

I believe we have all seen what a storage shed looks like 4-5 years after its built.

if the rules are not enforced it won't be long before you will find a neighbor with his vehicle sitting on four concrete blocks with the wheels off.

So for those that claim "its none of your business" guess what it is because it affects everyone's real estate values

[Bonnevie]

Regarding the example of speed limits, my point would be that if you exceed the speed limit, you do have the chance to get a speeding ticket. I am not saying you will, but you do open yourself up to the potential to being ticketed. If one chooses to not follow the law/rule, that is up to the individual, but then that person should be prepared for the consequences they appear at their doorstep. The same thing applies with not following the deed restrictions and the current system. My position is that we all should be following the restrictions and use the AR system where we wish to make changes that fall outside and need review.

I am by no means advocating a "police state" and I am not one of those people driving around looking to report things. I find it interesting that people get upset if they do "get caught" and blame their neighbors or Community Watch when they should be looking in a mirror. Again, if you want the "freedom" to make changes without being turned in or going through an AR review, or getting approval from a homeowner's association such as in condominiums, then buy a single residential home and have fun.

You mentioned if the shed is out of sight it is not a problem and I don't disagree with you, my original point is that the issue is larger than the shed itself. Who is the arbiter of each rule? If a neighbor plays music loud enough for you to hear it in your home, and it bothers you but not your neighbors, does that mean it is ok for that music to continue? Or is it ok if it is for a one night party, but not ok if it happens every night? How about a neighbor who has their kids move in along with the grandkids (<19 years old) and they stay for more than 30 days? Does it become a problem if they are there for 40 days? Three months? A year? Longer?

I recognize that this is the real world and not all rules are followed and some rules are "crazy". If someone chooses not to follow a rule, that is a personal choice, but they need to be prepared to accept any consequences that may arise.

So, yes we can agree to disagree, but your comment about being neighbors based solely upon this discussion (since you don't know me personally) is interesting as it appears to me that you would not like to be neighbors with people who don't have the same opinion as you. Sounds like an inflexible position to me.....

I'm sorry--lots of people in my neighborhood and I see things differently about things but we get along fine. I'm really just a live and let live, don't sweat the small stuff type of person.

[Trayderjoe]

I'm sorry--lots of people in my neighborhood and I see things differently about things but we get along fine. I'm really just a live and let live, don't sweat the small stuff type of person.

Thank you and best of luck to you.

[jsw14]

:I think this storage SHED thing has gong tooooo far out of the O-P... Storage for Out-Door stuff, like shovels, rake's & other stuff can be put on the wall in the garage. Two 3 inch dry-wall screw's will work just fine in my garage........ Hang-It-Up...

[ronsroni]

DRONES, VILLA WALL INSPECTORS, METER READERS, ROVING EYES OF THE TERMINALLY BORED LOVING RATTING PEOPLE OUT. All of these work against you.
Read your rules before the Shed Police descend on your home and you find yourself in print with the bandshell boppers after 10pm. Which is your good side for the photo op?

[lorilorilori]

Thx for giving me the smiles. Stay dry with Irma.