"Turning over the rock" (shingles)

[TimeForChange]

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The first four photos are a portion of my roof where some of the ridge vent shingles blew off. The area where you can see the felt paper is where there is shoddy workmanship. The shingles blew off because the nail heads are not flush with the roof therefore not allowing the shingle to seal properly. In addition you can see where the installer cut the underlayment all the way down the ridge. Not sure why he did this. The handyman on my roof this afternoon said he can see the attic through where the underlayment was cut. The grey roof photo at the bottom is the correct way a ridge shingle should be installed as it over laps all the way down therefore not allowing water to enter. My roof was incorrectly installed. The roofing company is Sack Roofing in Lady Lake. I intend to file a warranty complaint with TV in addition to notifying my insurance. A little addition is the gutter nail driven straight through the roofing shingle on the front of the home. This is guttering that was installed when the home was built. I thought this may help others in attempting to rectify their problem with the warranty dept. At this point I am going to request that all of my ridge shingles be checked and repaired so that if future storms or high winds present themselves I will have faith that I have a professionally installed roof system. At this point I do not.

[Wiotte]

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Yup, $hitty installation.

[graciegirl]

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[Wiotte]

How to Install Asphalt Shingles: 15 Steps (with Pictures) (http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Asphalt-Shingles)



Not helpful. What is the point ?

[graciegirl]

I hope that our favorite home inspector will come on and say something.

[graciegirl]

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[Wiotte]

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The first four photos are a portion of my roof where some of the ridge vent shingles blew off. The area where you can see the felt paper is where there is shoddy workmanship. The shingles blew off because the nail heads are not flush with the roof therefore not allowing the shingle to seal properly. In addition you can see where the installer cut the underlayment all the way down the ridge. Not sure why he did this. The handyman on my roof this afternoon said he can see the attic through where the underlayment was cut. The grey roof photo at the bottom is the correct way a ridge shingle should be installed as it over laps all the way down therefore not allowing water to enter. My roof was incorrectly installed. The roofing company is Sack Roofing in Lady Lake. I intend to file a warranty complaint with TV in addition to notifying my insurance. A little addition is the gutter nail driven straight through the roofing shingle on the front of the home. This is guttering that was installed when the home was built. I thought this may help others in attempting to rectify their problem with the warranty dept. At this point I am going to request that all of my ridge shingles be checked and repaired so that if future storms or high winds present themselves I will have faith that I have a professionally installed roof system. At this point I do not.



What I see and have for the past 20 years is a lack of professional tradesman. Common laborers are thrown onto jobs with little training and minimal supervision. No attempt is made to create or foster apprenticeship. This affects most residential construction, not so much commercial. Too many checks and balances.

[Wiotte]

You are not helpful either. The point I am trying to make is that so far there is no proof of shoddy construction. The Villages has a huge reputation to protect and has the money power and smarts to hire and maintain good crews for all facets of construction. They found that a multitude of roofs had defective shingles four or five years ago and held the manufacturer's feet to the fire seeing that they were replaced. Owens Corning.

They don't need to be slimy and cheap. They have a market willing to pay whatever it takes for a home and it is my belief they do a good job. We have built ten homes in our lifetime.



Read my post concerning the residential trades.

[Moderator]

The topic is specific to shingle installation as shown in the photos. Please stay on topic.

Moderator

[TimeForChange]

I wonder whether your handyman has the expertise to judge.

I have been in TV for 5.5 years and have owned three houses currently own two. I have had dealings with many and I would put this guy up against anyone in Central FL. He is so good he does not advertise and does not have to. He will tell you not to give his name out because he has so much work.

[rivaridger1]

There are many posts all over this forum in different threads from people who were in the roofing business, or are familiar with the roofing business who are citing specific reasons why the shingle installation was oftentimes shoddy. The winds were 60 to 70 MPH. I personally have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway which were torn off my roof. When I examine them all the evidence based on what has been said by people who seem to conversant with the subject of roofing points to " defective " installation. I should not have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway if they were correctly installed. We as a community were not subjected to a Cat 2, Cat, 3, Cat 4 or Cat 5 storm and to the best of my knowledge I recall no reports of mysterious " microbursts ". The houses on both sides of mine have no shingle damage. Most of the damage based on the reports on this forum are in the newer neighborhoods built in the last four years or so. " The cheese is rotten in Denmark ". The developer is not blameless no matter their official position.

[Fredster]

There are many posts all over this forum in different threads from people who were in the roofing business, or are familiar with the roofing business who are citing specific reasons why the shingle installation was oftentimes shoddy. The winds were 60 to 70 MPH. I personally have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway which were torn off my roof. When I examine them all the evidence based on what has been said by people who seem to conversant with the subject of roofing points to " defective " installation. I should not have 500 pounds of shingles in my driveway if they were correctly installed. We as a community were not subjected to a Cat 2, Cat, 3, Cat 4 or Cat 5 storm and to the best of my knowledge I recall no reports of mysterious " microbursts ". The houses on both sides of mine have no shingle damage. Most of the damage based on the reports on this forum are in the newer neighborhoods built in the last four years or so. " The cheese is rotten in Denmark ". The developer is not blameless no matter their official position.

I can definately understand why you and the OP are not happy to have lost roof shingles when it does
not appear to be a general occuring condition.
With the large numbers of homes sold built in TV in a given time period,
I don't find it surprising that poor installation problems of roofing become evident after a heavy storm.
Personally I feel it stems from a shortage of skilled,
and experienced installers, more than anything else.
Hope all who have had failurescan get some speedy resolution!

[Madelaine Amee]

We had water damage last year. The end caps had not been installed on the Ridge Vents and the Ridge Vents were not installed correctly. Insurance company took care of all Ridge Vents being reinstalled correctly.

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In addition you can see where the installer cut the underlayment all the way down the ridge. Not sure why he did this. The handyman on my roof this afternoon said he can see the attic through where the underlayment was cut.

Because it is a roof VENT. How else is the air supposed to come out and that is why they cover it with the ridge piece.

[ColdNoMore]

I wonder whether your handyman has the expertise to judge.
I have been in TV for 5.5 years and have owned three houses currently own two.

I have had dealings with many and I would put this guy up against anyone in Central FL.

He is so good he does not advertise and does not have to. He will tell you not to give his name out because he has so much work.




You are not helpful either. The point I am trying to make is that so far there is no proof of shoddy construction.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1447323-post1.html
First let me say I am not an novice when discussing roofing shingles. I retired from a company that at one time was one of the largest shingle manufactures in the world.

In my younger management days I was in charge of roofing complaints and did over 700 per year.


I believe the above should eliminate any questions as to who/whom are the real experts and that there was/is... definitely a problem with some shoddy construction. :ho:

Now let's see if the developer will admit, what some others seem not to be able to...in that they have a quality control issue.

I'm betting that you personally won't have any problems with the developer TFC, once they comprehend you know what the heck you're talking about, but I can't help but wonder...if they'll be as fair to those who don't have the expertise that you have.

We'll see I guess. :shrug:

So here's wishing you get your issue solved quickly TimeForChange...and everyone else with the same problem does too.

I think this will be a good thread to keep up with...on how ALL people are being treated on this issue. :thumbup:

[manaboutown]

Although I will let the experts weigh in on this one it truly amazes me how fast the developer builds huge numbers of houses. Plus, I do wonder about the ability, training, interest in doing quality work and having time to do it for what the subs and their crews are paid.

[Wiotte]

Because it is a roof VENT. How else is the air supposed to come out and that is why they cover it with the ridge piece.

Ridge vents only run horizontal. The OP pics do not show a ridge vent.

[rustyp]

Have you ever listened to the contractors installing shingles in The Villages ? They cheat the interlocks on the nailers and three - four nails are hit in millisecs. Pay attention. I would like to say they have got their rhythm down to a science but your ear can be the judge. I can believe a lot of mis-hits based upon my ear. Catch 22 - the next guy is waiting in line to under bid them. Now tell me about the inspection process Vs code. Does someone count the nails per shingle and did they hit the strip. On the other hand I'm reading most of you have $500 deductible and the insurance seems to be coordinating the repairs. Serious ? You are complaining about $500 and someone taking care of the bull work after a hurricane. I'd pay the money and kiss the ground if that's all there was to it.

[fw102807]

Ridge vents only run horizontal. The OP pics do not show a ridge vent.

True but the OP said that the "handy man" could see down into the attic where the underlayment was cut. This could only occur on the ridge.

[Fredster]

Have you ever listened to the contractors installing shingles in The Villages ? They cheat the interlocks on the nailers and three - four nails are hit in millisecs. Pay attention. I would like to say they have got their rhythm down to a science but your ear can be the judge. I can believe a lot of mis-hits based upon my ear. Catch 22 - the next guy is waiting in line to under bid them. Now tell me about the inspection process Vs code. Does someone count the nails per shingle and did they hit the strip. On the other hand I'm reading most of you have $500 deductible and the insurance seems to be coordinating the repairs. Serious ? You are complaining about $500 and someone taking care of the bull work after a hurricane. I'd pay the money and kiss the ground if that's all there was to it.

Sometimes there is more involved than money,
and if a lot of folks have problems with their roof installation,
it might lead to better installation and QC.
Consequences motivate change,
and bad PR about developer build quality is a consequence.

[Wiotte]

True but the OP said that the "handy man" could see down into the attic where the underlayment was cut. This could only occur on the ridge.

I took that to mean that the roof sheathing was open to the attic in several areas.

[TimeForChange]

Fully agree!

[ColdNoMore]

Although I will let the experts weigh in on this one it truly amazes me how fast the developer builds huge numbers of houses. Plus, I do wonder about the ability, training, interest in doing quality work and having time to do it for what the subs and their crews are paid.

Yep, I've thought the same thing many times.

[rustyp]

Sometimes there is more involved than money,
and if a lot of folks have problems with their roof installation,
it might lead to better installation and QC.
Consequences motivate change,
and bad PR about developer build quality is a consequence.

You have a good point - but what amazes me many of these same people would have sold their next born based on the quality of the house they purchased and the wisdom they so diligently put into that purchase. By the way Stonecrest and Dell Web are still standing as I understand.

[TimeForChange]

I took that to mean that the roof sheathing was open to the attic in several areas.

Or do you know how? My roof was not installed correctly. I know the roofing business, insulation business, sheathing business like the back of my hand. I spent 40 years dealing with contractors. The worst are roofing contractors then insulation contractors. You guys crack me up.....believe what you want...I know!

[graciegirl]

Or do you know how? My roof was not installed correctly. I know the roofing business, insulation business, sheathing business like the back of my hand. I spent 40 years dealing with contractors. The worst are roofing contractors then insulation contractors. You guys crack me up.....believe what you want...I know!

I am sorry for your misfortune. Fortunately not many were incorrectly installed.

[manaboutown]

Some posters claim to have built numerous homes over their lifetimes. I wonder if any of the houses they had previously built were built faster than the home or homes they had built in The Villages?

[Wiotte]

Or do you know how? My roof was not installed correctly. I know the roofing business, insulation business, sheathing business like the back of my hand. I spent 40 years dealing with contractors. The worst are roofing contractors then insulation contractors. You guys crack me up.....believe what you want...I know!

I'm not arguing with you. Perhaps you misread what I wrote.

[Wiotte]

Some posters claim to have built numerous homes over their lifetimes. I wonder if any of the houses they had previously built were built faster than the home or homes they had built in The Villages?

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

[graciegirl]

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[manaboutown]

None of them were. The builders here have specific crews who do the same task in every home. The people who lay pipe under your home are not the same people who put pipe in your home and every task is preplanned and they don't have to wait for subs because it is all scheduled ahead of time and subs move from one home to another with their specific task. Finish carpenters don't lay tile. Roofers don't plumb.. Your closing day and hour is given you when you sign. Materials for the next day's work are dropped off the night before. The main builder walks through each home each day, sometimes several times, and in our case made a sub rip out tile and do it over for one example. Our stone pillars on the porch were ordered redone by the builder in charge.. You haven't built here, but many of us have and they know I speak the truth.

In the homes we have built before there was a lot of days no one did anything on our house.

Henry Ford would have been proud of what you describe as an assembly line building technique. I doubt an extra nail is used. Very efficient!

Are Premier homes built under the same standards and under the same time constraints as other homes?

[Wiotte]

Our builder was fired 2 weeks before we closed. He was the same builder that did our last house 3 years ago, that house had minimal problems the first year. Our present house was riddled with issues. My punch list was 6 pages long and took the subs 2 months to clean up. All is good now and we didn't loose any shingles. Not all builders are created or operate equally.

[Dan9871]

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

Not all builders build Premiere homes but our Designer home was built by a builder who also builds Premiere homes.

[paulascorpio]

11 out of 52 homes in my Premiere area had bad roof damage........nails through the plastic! All homes are tarred or tarped to triage the homes from water right now. I think TV has a problem!

[rubicon]

The Disney Housing project "Celebration" also sold an attractive lifestyle . One might want to google what has been happening there?

People remark how fast houses go up here and every time I hear it I cringe.

The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc ( TVLSI) wasn't selling homes but Lifestyles.

As to the roofing issue what the OP and others have cited speaks clearly to the question of proper installation.

Business is business and TVLSI has an obligation to act in " a good faith manner" in investigating residents complaints about product and workmanship. We will trust that they will comply as such

[Mrs. Robinson]

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

Henry Ford would have been proud of what you describe as an assembly line building technique. I doubt an extra nail is used. Very efficient!

Are Premier homes built under the same standards and under the same time constraints as other homes?

The Disney Housing project "Celebration" also sold an attractive lifestyle . One might want to google what has been happening there?

People remark how fast houses go up here and every time I hear it I cringe.

The Villages of Lake-Sumter, Inc ( TVLSI) wasn't selling homes but Lifestyles.

As to the roofing issue what the OP and others have cited speaks clearly to the question of proper installation.

Business is business and TVLSI has an obligation to act in " a good faith manner" in investigating residents complaints about product and workmanship. We will trust that they will comply as such

Our house (Designer) was built by a contractor who also builds Premier houses, and yes -- there are differences. One example is the roof overhang on a Premier house is deeper than on any of the other homes. We chose to pay more for that wider overhang but truthfully, based on Florida standards, the overhang still isn't wide enough to handle the summer sun.

Rubicon is correct and I have said the same thing. No one buys in TV because of quality in construction :yuck: (pardon me while I cough). They buy here for the weather (sans Irma) and the lifestyle -- period!

As far as the developers owning up to the roof problems throughout TV, that will be interesting. I would like to believe that they will, but my business head and previous personal experience with them tells me a differently.

[graciegirl]

Our house (Designer) was built by a contractor who also builds Premier houses, and yes -- there are differences. One example is the roof overhang on a Premier house is deeper than on any of the other homes. We chose to pay more for that wider overhang but truthfully, based on Florida standards, the overhang still isn't wide enough to handle the summer sun.

Rubicon is correct and I have said the same thing. No one buys in TV because of quality in construction :yuck: (pardon me while I cough). They buy here for the weather (sans Irma) and the lifestyle -- period!

As far as the developers owning up to the roof problems throughout TV, that will be interesting. I would like to believe that they will, but my business head and previous personal experience with them tells me a differently.

We will see.

[paulascorpio]

Premier homes have different builders than designers, ranches, etc.

I am a Premiere home.....again 52 homes, 11 roofs damaged and the nailing was done through the plastic strip and therefor the shingles were only attached at the top by a 1/2 inch so they tore off. There is definitely a problem! We also have a neighbor that needs a total roof. We have to fix it and probably endure more damage in the future and not feel safe at all!

[Mrs. Robinson]

I am sorry for your misfortune. Fortunately not many were incorrectly installed.

Where did you get this information?

Unfortunately, many of the shingles on roofs have been incorrectly installed!

If you have been reading, as an example, over 20% of roofs in a premier section of the Village of Pinellas have a serious problem and these homes have been tarped, waiting for repair.
20%+ is not chicken feed.

There are many homeowners who are not part of TOTV and those homeowners are obviously mute.
We don't know how many of those residents' homes have a roof problem.

It is unfair to diminish the severity and amount of the current roof problems throughout The Villages.

[Roofer1]

I am a Premiere home.....again 52 homes, 11 roofs damaged and the nailing was done through the plastic strip and therefor the shingles were only attached at the top by a 1/2 inch so they tore off. There is definitely a problem! We also have a neighbor that needs a total roof. We have to fix it and probably endure more damage in the future and not feel safe at all!

The nails going the the top of the shingle is from the shingle above it so in that being said your shingle actually has 12 nails in it six in the shingle itself then when we nail the other shingle on them six go thru that shingle in to the top of the lower shingle

[YourHoneyDoHandyman]

11 out of 52 homes in my Premiere area had bad roof damage........nails through the plastic! All homes are tarred or tarped to triage the homes from water right now. I think TV has a problem!
Paula, just want a clarification from you when you mention nails through the plastic. Do you mean nails through the tar adhesive strip or the strip of plastic on bottom of shingle?.
It is OK for an occasional nail to be in the adhesive. The best place for the nail is just below the adhesive strip. The problem is if the nail is above the adhesive. In that case the nail could very well miss the top edge of the shingle below it, thus reducing the number of nails holding it. There should be a total of 12 nail holes in a properly nailed shingle in Florida. Now to clear up some confusion in some people regarding the clear plastic strip on the bottom of a shingle. The ONLY purpose of the plastic strip is to keep the shingles from sticking together in the bundle. It has NO effect at all once the shingle is installed and you do not remove it from the shingle before installation.

[pauld315]

I know nothing about roofing. We lost a total of 17 shingles during Irma. My house was built in 1999 and they used 3 tab shingles when they built it. I still have the original roof and the guy who repaired the shingles said the existing shingles probably have another 10 years of life on them if they don't get blown off with another storm, which is good. However, he said the reason we lost shingles with Irma was because they hadn't been nailed down at installation time ! He said the whole roof is like that, even in areas where repairs have been made previously. That, to me, is unbelievable and something I will be hiring a roof inspector to come look at when I return there. Do I have any recourse against the warranty department if this is the case? I have never heard of such a thing.

[Beth P]

Just catching up on this thread. Our home is 3 years old. We had significant shingle loss. Unfortunately, we had major water damage INSIDE our home (entire lanai, 16x16 area of great room and section of master bedroom). Our roofer pointed out to us several large slashes in our felt paper (some were six feet long). We disclosed this to our insurance adjustor. Our concern is for the remainder of our roof (the undamaged portion) and whether or not the felt paper under those shingles is also slashed. Clearly, the reason we have inside water damage is secondary to the felt paper being slashed. Consequently, we hired a certified roof inspector to inspect the remaining shingles. He pulled up 3 random shingles and under 2 of them found irregular nailing patterns and over driven nails. We have a full report from him. We have many pictures of the slashed felt paper (not torn, slashed), improper nailing of shingles and damage to the inside of our house. We have contacted the Villages Warranty. Our roofer was Sacks roofing. We spoke with the owner of the roofing company who takes no responsibility. As we are out of warranty, The Villages also takes no responsibility. We have contacted an attorney but it is not enough money for them to bother. Our insurance company also will not bother going after the builder or roofer because it's not enough money for them to worry about. Meanwhile, we are out an $8,000.00 deductible (that's another story) and we have a crappy roof. The limit for small claims court is $5,000.00. Basically, we're just screwed and everyone who messed up goes on installing crappy roofs.

We love our home and we love living in The Villages but this is all so wrong and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. FRUSTRATED!!! I wonder how the Villages Warranty department would handle it if it was THEIR house.

[Wiotte]

Just catching up on this thread. Our home is 3 years old. We had significant shingle loss. Unfortunately, we had major water damage INSIDE our home (entire lanai, 16x16 area of great room and section of master bedroom). Our roofer pointed out to us several large slashes in our felt paper (some were six feet long). We disclosed this to our insurance adjustor. Our concern is for the remainder of our roof (the undamaged portion) and whether or not the felt paper under those shingles is also slashed. Clearly, the reason we have inside water damage is secondary to the felt paper being slashed. Consequently, we hired a certified roof inspector to inspect the remaining shingles. He pulled up 3 random shingles and under 2 of them found irregular nailing patterns and over driven nails. We have a full report from him. We have many pictures of the slashed felt paper (not torn, slashed), improper nailing of shingles and damage to the inside of our house. We have contacted the Villages Warranty. Our roofer was Sacks roofing. We spoke with the owner of the roofing company who takes no responsibility. As we are out of warranty, The Villages also takes no responsibility. We have contacted an attorney but it is not enough money for them to bother. Our insurance company also will not bother going after the builder or roofer because it's not enough money for them to worry about. Meanwhile, we are out an $8,000.00 deductible (that's another story) and we have a crappy roof. The limit for small claims court is $5,000.00. Basically, we're just screwed and everyone who messed up goes on installing crappy roofs.

We love our home and we love living in The Villages but this is all so wrong and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. FRUSTRATED!!! I wonder how the Villages Warranty department would handle it if it was THEIR house.



Take them to court !


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[Beth P]

If you know a way for me to do that without sinking a lot more money, please tell me. I have already spoken with one attorney.

[Wiotte]

If you know a way for me to do that without sinking a lot more money, please tell me. I have already spoken with one attorney.



Contact others here that have had the same problem. I believe one group is already seeking action. Do a search here for the threads.


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[New Englander]

Just catching up on this thread. Our home is 3 years old. We had significant shingle loss. Unfortunately, we had major water damage INSIDE our home (entire lanai, 16x16 area of great room and section of master bedroom). Our roofer pointed out to us several large slashes in our felt paper (some were six feet long). We disclosed this to our insurance adjustor. Our concern is for the remainder of our roof (the undamaged portion) and whether or not the felt paper under those shingles is also slashed. Clearly, the reason we have inside water damage is secondary to the felt paper being slashed. Consequently, we hired a certified roof inspector to inspect the remaining shingles. He pulled up 3 random shingles and under 2 of them found irregular nailing patterns and over driven nails. We have a full report from him. We have many pictures of the slashed felt paper (not torn, slashed), improper nailing of shingles and damage to the inside of our house. We have contacted the Villages Warranty. Our roofer was Sacks roofing. We spoke with the owner of the roofing company who takes no responsibility. As we are out of warranty, The Villages also takes no responsibility. We have contacted an attorney but it is not enough money for them to bother. Our insurance company also will not bother going after the builder or roofer because it's not enough money for them to worry about. Meanwhile, we are out an $8,000.00 deductible (that's another story) and we have a crappy roof. The limit for small claims court is $5,000.00. Basically, we're just screwed and everyone who messed up goes on installing crappy roofs.

We love our home and we love living in The Villages but this is all so wrong and it seems there is nothing we can do about it. FRUSTRATED!!! I wonder how the Villages Warranty department would handle it if it was THEIR house.

I feel really bad for you. I have no advice but I hope you get help with this.

[YourHoneyDoHandyman]

I know nothing about roofing. We lost a total of 17 shingles during Irma. My house was built in 1999 and they used 3 tab shingles when they built it. I still have the original roof and the guy who repaired the shingles said the existing shingles probably have another 10 years of life on them if they don't get blown off with another storm, which is good. However, he said the reason we lost shingles with Irma was because they hadn't been nailed down at installation time ! He said the whole roof is like that, even in areas where repairs have been made previously. That, to me, is unbelievable and something I will be hiring a roof inspector to come look at when I return there. Do I have any recourse against the warranty department if this is the case? I have never heard of such a thing.
What exactly do you mean that the shingles were not nailed down at installation time and even on repaired areas? Did he actually mean "no nails" or was he talking about the sealant not adhering to the shingle under it? Any pictures? As far as a warranty claim, you have an 18 year old roof.

[New Englander]

I know nothing about roofing. We lost a total of 17 shingles during Irma. My house was built in 1999 and they used 3 tab shingles when they built it. I still have the original roof and the guy who repaired the shingles said the existing shingles probably have another 10 years of life on them if they don't get blown off with another storm, which is good. However, he said the reason we lost shingles with Irma was because they hadn't been nailed down at installation time ! He said the whole roof is like that, even in areas where repairs have been made previously. That, to me, is unbelievable and something I will be hiring a roof inspector to come look at when I return there. Do I have any recourse against the warranty department if this is the case? I have never heard of such a thing.

How could they install shingles on a roof and not use any nails? I was not a roofer but I worked almost 40yrs in commercial construction and if this is actually true something is very wrong. You're doing the right thing hiring someone who really knows roofing to look at this.

[pauld315]

What exactly do you mean that the shingles were not nailed down at installation time and even on repaired areas? Did he actually mean "no nails" or was he talking about the sealant not adhering to the shingle under it? Any pictures? As far as a warranty claim, you have an 18 year old roof.

He told me they were not nailed down as in "no nails" As far as I can figure the shingles are only being held in place by the sealant. He said when he was removing adjoining shingles there were no nails holding them in place. I have never heard of anything like this, if true. As I said, I will have a roofing inspector look at this when I am there. Unfortunately, I have no pictures at this point.