Trespassing

[samhass]

What makes people think they can trespass on your private property? For the last two days, I have found people in my yard. At dusk, a couple came from the back of my house through my side yard, between my neighbors and here. I went out and asked if I could help them. They were total strangers..not from my village. This is a cul de sac. They came in from Palmer and heavens knows where they came from. This is a very private cul de sac and these people had no qualms about trespassing on Palmer or my yard. What makes them think they can do this? Were they looking in my windows? Then they said they wanted to see the house and " how much was it?". I asked if they were looking for a larger home and they said no..they were downsizing. I was so taken aback. They then proceeded to cut back through my yard down to the golf cart path. My neighbor was outside and caught up with them to inform them they were trespassing. I know looking at homes is sport down here, and people enter empty homes in the new sections. This section is twelve years old. Why on earth would total strangers feel they have the right to come on your property in your back and side yard? Is this common? Do they not understand that private property is private property? I am really upset about this. There seems to be little or no respect for individual space. I bought a larger lot for the privacy.I may put out "No Trespassing" signs. Is it gypsy time yet in TV?

[Wiotte]

What makes people think they can trespass on your private property? For the last two days, I have found people in my yard. At dusk, a couple came from the back of my house through my side yard, between my neighbors and here. I went out and asked if I could help them. They were total strangers..not from my village. This is a cul de sac. They came in from Palmer and heavens knows where they came from. This is a very private cul de sac and these people had no qualms about trespassing on Palmer or my yard. What makes them think they can do this? Were they looking in my windows? Then they said they wanted to see the house and " how much was it?". I asked if they were looking for a larger home and they said no..they were downsizing. I was so taken aback. They then proceeded to cut back through my yard down to the golf cart path. My neighbor was outside and caught up with them to inform them they were trespassing. I know looking at homes is sport down here, and people enter empty homes in the new sections. This section is twelve years old. Why on earth would total strangers feel they have the right to come on your property in your back and side yard? Is this common? Do they not understand that private property is private property? I am really upset about this. There seems to be little or no respect for individual space. I bought a larger lot for the privacy.I may put out "No Trespassing" signs. Is it gypsy time yet in TV?



Their probably not gypsy's. They simply weren't raised properly and lack common sense. I'm sure they violate other social mores as well. Still, it tends to infuriate me.
BTW, keep those No Trespassing signs under your eaves [emoji6]


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[graciegirl]

They may have been curious from the wide spread mailing showing your beautiful home for sale but that doesn't forgive what they did. I wouldn't put up no trespassing signs since your house is for sale. This is probably an isolated instance.

[samhass]

..except it happened two days in a row. Many people are coming down the street to look, and I appreciate that. When they are in by back yard unannounced, it makes me nervous. I would not think of cutting through a strange yard unless it was an emergency.
Yes, Mary sent the postcards to the Bridgeports. I think she did a great job. Now I am hoping it sells so I can return home to family.
I find I stay in the house most of the time. During Hu's illness I stayed home most of tthree years and when they put him in home hospice back in
Sept 2016,, I was here almost 24/7. I guess it has become a habit, and I have become a hermit. I am hoping that being home will get me out and about again. At least it will put me in the arms of my loved ones.

[Villageswimmer]

I'm sure this is unnerving for you. I agree that I wouldn't put out signs but I would turn on all outside lights and have the Sheriff's office on speed dial. People should know better. Sorry you are dealing with this.

[samhass]

I have dogs. No one comes near without me knowing.

[Carl in Tampa]

If I encountered people like that I would just say,

"You know you are trespassing. The problem is not so much me as it is the man next door. I've heard that he points a gun at trespassers that walk between our houses. In fact, I seldom walk on this side of my house myself."

:p

[lorilorilori]

Looters ???

[NotGolfer]

We once had our house (up north) for sale. We were in the living room and this woman and her kids came up and hands to block the glare were looking in. I was really angry!! I went out and asked her what I could do for her and without stammering or hesitating she said "I just wanted to see your house!" I DID NOT invite her in. It was many years ago...but some folks are just brassy.

[redwitch]

As you said, looking at houses for sale is a sport here. That includes walking all around the house to check out landscaping, etc. Yes, it is trespassing and, yes, it is intrusive and disconcerting. For some, it is a way to check out a house to see if it fits their needs before doing a formal walk-through. For others, it is pure, unadulterated nosiness. Sadly, I'm afraid you're going to have to tolerate it to some extent because you never know who might be a serious buyer or just a nosy Parker.

Hope it sells soon.

[Chellybean]

Welcome to the villages of entitled idiots. I Also have no patients for this also!!!
Living on a golf course breeds these type of idiots and they think they have a right to be on private property!!!!!

[Hancle704]

If your home is for sale you might just tell them to contact your realtor and make an appointment if they want to see the house.

[samhass]

If your home is for sale you might just tell them to contact your realtor and make an appointment if they want to see the house.

I would have..but they said they were downsizing.

[Boomer]

Intrusive, insensitive, boorish behavior, that we should not expect to see in our peers, but there you have it.....all too often.

If there is a For Sale sign that is visible from the golf course trail, you might want to think about taking it down.

[asianthree]

Intrusive, insensitive, boorish behavior, that we should not expect to see in our peers, but there you have it.....all too often.

If there is a For Sale sign that is visible from the golf course trail, you might want to think about taking it down.

Sign can only be in a window, never on a lawn

[Barefoot]

If I encountered people like that I would just say,
"You know you are trespassing. The problem is not so much me as it is the man next door. I've heard that he points a gun at trespassers that walk between our houses. In fact, I seldom walk on this side of my house myself. :p
Good suggestion!

[Boomer]

Sign can only be in a window, never on a lawn


I know that. I know the territory well. I thought maybe there might be a sign in a cage or in a window that could be seen from the course trail and could give clods who have no respect for privacy an excuse to snoop.

[rubicon]

..except it happened two days in a row. Many people are coming down the street to look, and I appreciate that. When they are in by back yard unannounced, it makes me nervous. I would not think of cutting through a strange yard unless it was an emergency.
Yes, Mary sent the postcards to the Bridgeports. I think she did a great job. Now I am hoping it sells so I can return home to family.
I find I stay in the house most of the time. During Hu's illness I stayed home most of tthree years and when they put him in home hospice back in
Sept 2016,, I was here almost 24/7. I guess it has become a habit, and I have become a hermit. I am hoping that being home will get me out and about again. At least it will put me in the arms of my loved ones.

samhass:

I am not an attorney but it would seem to me if you have advertised your home for sale those visiting your premise for the purpose of potential buying are now invitees.

If I am correct you have a choice 1) place a no trespassing sign on your property 2) and /or a sign that states potential buyers must be accompanied with a realtor, both of which I believe frustrate your intent to sale.

Again I am not an attorney so to you may want to speak with your realtor and your realtor to an attorney

Best of luck with your sale.

Personal Best Regards:

[Bay Kid]

Add "by appointment only" to all your ads. Might help.

[Madelaine Amee]

Welcome to the villages of entitled idiots. I Also have no patients for this also!!!
Living on a golf course breeds these type of idiots and they think they have a right to be on private property!!!!!

So true! We live on a golf course which flooded and I could not believe the number of people who just walked through our property to "view" the flooding. We are a very quiet area and it is very concerning to suddenly see someone on your property.

[fred53]

If you don't know who they are get a description and call the police...it is one of the many things that they happily do for us. Quite dangerous to approach strangers at night wandering on private property.

[autumnspring]

I would have..but they said they were downsizing.

Your OP did not say your home was listed for sale.

Rude people will not change IF you sell your home to them.
You will find that they will be a pain to you in every aspect of the sale and to your NEIGHBORS after you leave.

[manaboutown]

Unfortunately a For Sale sign on a nice home will attract the curious, most of whom could not afford the home; they are just nosy!

A couple of years ago I installed several cameras which monitor my driveway, walkway and entryway as well as my yard. I can watch the action on my mobile phone, on my television at home or on a computer anywhere. Two weeks of time are taped, 24 hours a day. Since I am away almost half the time I feel more at peace. I know the OP is moving away but for a few thousand dollars she could get cameras installed along with some warning that trespassers will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. As a bonus she may discover cameras are indeed a selling feature!

I realize the covenants prohibit signs in yards and permit only a for sale sign of restricted size in a window but what I see elsewhere are "Do not Contact the Occupant" and "By Appointment Only" notices on for sale signs.

Confrontation can be dangerous but taking their pictures with your cell phone may drive them off.

[autumnspring]

Unfortunately a For Sale sign on a nice home will attract the curious, most of whom could not afford the home; they are just nosy!

A couple of years ago I installed several cameras which monitor my driveway, walkway and entryway as well as my yard. I can watch the action on my mobile phone, on my television at home or on a computer anywhere. Two weeks of time are taped, 24 hours a day. Since I am away almost half the time I feel more at peace. I know the OP is moving away but for a few thousand dollars she could get cameras installed along with some warning that trespassers will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. As a bonus she may discover cameras are indeed a selling feature!

I realize the covenants prohibit signs in yards and permit only a for sale sign of restricted size in a window but what I see elsewhere are "Do not Contact the Occupant" and "By Appointment Only" notices on for sale signs.

Confrontation can be dangerous but taking their pictures with your cell phone may drive them off.

I sold photographic equipment on a wholesale basis. I will never forget at a trade show everyone ignored a guy that they all assumed could not afford what they were selling.
I spoke to everyone with respect. He proved to be knowledgeable. He was doing street photos so was properly dressed for his profession. The guy bought from me $2,000 worth of equipment AND PAID CASH.

RE: cameras on your home being a selling point
Different strokes for different folks. Were I looking to buy a place and saw cameras on the home, I WOULD THINK THE OWNER DID NOT FEEL SAFE HERE.

[manaboutown]

Were I looking to buy a place and saw cameras on the home, I WOULD THINK THE OWNER DID NOT FEEL SAFE HERE.

In my neighborhood in Newport Beach, CA nearly every home has security cameras and of course alarm systems. They are a deterrent to burglary. And, I feel very safe here - even safer with the cameras.

My gardner did some plantings for me yesterday. I was out of state but flew back later that day, arriving home after he had left. He did a nice job. Now I will see how many hours he will tell me he worked and how much help he used since I agreed to pay him by the hour. The cameras will confirm his story or not if what he tells me is over the top. Of course he knows I have the cameras and he has worked for me 28 years. Nevertheless, as a business person I believe in keeping honest people honest.

[Topspinmo]

I was taught by my grandpa to never go on private property unless invited. Even to today I will not cross property lines unless invited. IMO the ONLY path to private property in sidewalk to the front door.

[Bambi]

I am a single woman living on a golf course. Apparently there are many golfers who cannot tell the difference between a fairway and private property. I have often had as many as twenty "golfers" (trespassers ) in my yard on a given day. I have watched them beat thru my bushes with a club looking for a ball, I have found them in my front yard as I have driven up the drive.
I have stepped out of the shower at dusk to see a shadow go past the window.
I have had them within two feet of my window as I am eating.
One tried to steal a garden ornament but dropped it when yelled at by a neighbor. The golfer made a speedy exit without stopping to play golf- probably the fastest round ever played on this course.
My dog has learned the boundary of the course and our yard and seldom barks unless yard entry has been made. When my husband was dying, interruptions in his sleep were a big deal. The dog was only doing what he was taught...to warn us of intruders. Since golfers can play the course after official hours, it is sometimes almost dark when I see these unknown unregistered ( starter shack closed) people in my yards and walking next to my windows.
Yes, it is private property, I pay the taxes and do the upkeep. I do not appreciate golfers telling me that they have the "right" to be there because I live on a course.
I don't mind if they retrieve their ball when it is just inside my property and in plain view although I never understand people that can afford a cart and a set of clubs but can't afford to lose a ball. That ball is so valuable to them that not only do they invade my privacy, usually one or two more, accompany them to "help".

I fully expect everyone in this forum to jump all over me. Yes, I live on a course but if I lived on a curve in a street, I would not appreciate cars missing the curve and coming into my yard. If I lived by an airport runway, I would expect the jets not to accidentally take off my roof. However, your violation of my privacy and property rights is not an accident, it is done willfully.

I don't think many on this forum would appreciate strangers in their yards,especially as night falls.. Oh, please don't hit off my grass... the golf course landscaping crew has never visited my house to repair your divots.
I do enjoy watching the golfers (when they are on the course) and will have friendly conversations with them. I have offered shelter to golfers caught by a lightening storm without a cart.
Golf is supposed to be a "gentlemen's game" - please follow The Villages golf rules and have fun but stay on the course.
Since this is a thread about a woman alone startled by strangers in her yard, I feel I have stayed on topic.
My neighbors generally feel the same way I do.

[DigitalGranny]

There is a man who lives on a cul-de-sac that backs up to our lot. He is here full-time, we are part time. Everyday, he chooses to walk his dogs through the entire depth of my yard to get to wherever he walks his dogs -and back again. My dogs, who have been trained to bark when anyone steps in our yard, go berserk! I have yelled through open windows to my dogs, "yes, I know they are in your yard. Good doggies!" One day I caught him removing some small branches stacked on the back of our lot that my husband was going to cut up for our fire pit. I went to the window and told him could have some if he needed them, but that we wanted the rest to burn. He told me was just removing them because they were an eyesore. We, of course, removed them as soon as we could. None of his windows face my back yard. He only sees it if he walks around the back of his house, or through our yard! Next trip down, I'm putting a no trespassing sign on the back corner of my lot. Some people!

[graciegirl]

Our neighbor in Ohio allowed his dog to potty in our yard when we were gone snowbirding. No. We didn't say a thing. We were gone and you never know what will make people mad and what other things might happen.

[Henryk]

Our neighbor in Ohio allowed his dog to potty in our yard when we were gone snowbirding. No. We didn't say a thing. We were gone and you never know what will make people mad and what other things might happen.

Gracie dear, perhaps I'm a bit uncouth, but if I knew it belonged to the neighbor, I would have returned it to the neighbor. I was taught not to keep what is not mine. What nerve some people have!

:shocked:

[Bogie Shooter]

I am a single woman living on a golf course. Apparently there are many golfers who cannot tell the difference between a fairway and private property. I have often had as many as twenty "golfers" (trespassers ) in my yard on a given day. I have watched them beat thru my bushes with a club looking for a ball, I have found them in my front yard as I have driven up the drive.
I have stepped out of the shower at dusk to see a shadow go past the window.
I have had them within two feet of my window as I am eating.
One tried to steal a garden ornament but dropped it when yelled at by a neighbor. The golfer made a speedy exit without stopping to play golf- probably the fastest round ever played on this course.
My dog has learned the boundary of the course and our yard and seldom barks unless yard entry has been made. When my husband was dying, interruptions in his sleep were a big deal. The dog was only doing what he was taught...to warn us of intruders. Since golfers can play the course after official hours, it is sometimes almost dark when I see these unknown unregistered ( starter shack closed) people in my yards and walking next to my windows.
Yes, it is private property, I pay the taxes and do the upkeep. I do not appreciate golfers telling me that they have the "right" to be there because I live on a course.
I don't mind if they retrieve their ball when it is just inside my property and in plain view although I never understand people that can afford a cart and a set of clubs but can't afford to lose a ball. That ball is so valuable to them that not only do they invade my privacy, usually one or two more, accompany them to "help".

I fully expect everyone in this forum to jump all over me. Yes, I live on a course but if I lived on a curve in a street, I would not appreciate cars missing the curve and coming into my yard. If I lived by an airport runway, I would expect the jets not to accidentally take off my roof. However, your violation of my privacy and property rights is not an accident, it is done willfully.

I don't think many on this forum would appreciate strangers in their yards,especially as night falls.. Oh, please don't hit off my grass... the golf course landscaping crew has never visited my house to repair your divots.
I do enjoy watching the golfers (when they are on the course) and will have friendly conversations with them. I have offered shelter to golfers caught by a lightening storm without a cart.
Golf is supposed to be a "gentlemen's game" - please follow The Villages golf rules and have fun but stay on the course.
Since this is a thread about a woman alone startled by strangers in her yard, I feel I have stayed on topic.
My neighbors generally feel the same way I do.

I am a golfer (well I try) and everything you describe is unacceptable to me and the people I play golf with. I venture to say most golfers would agree with me.

[Mikeod]

I am a golfer (well I try) and everything you describe is unacceptable to me and the people I play golf with. I venture to say most golfers would agree with me.

Absolutely. The most I and those groups I play in would enter a property is to extend a ball retriever from the rough into a yard to get a ball we can see. But we never set foot in a yard.

My mom and dad lived on a golf course in CA and one day my mom got out of the shower only to see a guy in her back yard looking for his ball. To get there, he had to cross a creek, enter a gate at the back of the property and climb up a flight of stairs or climb a six foot wall. My dad put a lock on the gate after that. Unbelievable. Or maybe it is. For a golf ball. 😣

[autumnspring]

There is a man who lives on a cul-de-sac that backs up to our lot. He is here full-time, we are part time. Everyday, he chooses to walk his dogs through the entire depth of my yard to get to wherever he walks his dogs -and back again. My dogs, who have been trained to bark when anyone steps in our yard, go berserk! I have yelled through open windows to my dogs, "yes, I know they are in your yard. Good doggies!" One day I caught him removing some small branches stacked on the back of our lot that my husband was going to cut up for our fire pit. I went to the window and told him could have some if he needed them, but that we wanted the rest to burn. He told me was just removing them because they were an eyesore. We, of course, removed them as soon as we could. None of his windows face my back yard. He only sees it if he walks around the back of his house, or through our yard! Next trip down, I'm putting a no trespassing sign on the back corner of my lot. Some people!



With your pacifist instructions re: firewood, you have oked his behavior. Do you think a no trespassing sign will stop him?

He thinks, or perhaps wants to think his behavior is ok. YOU NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR.

[Topspinmo]

I am a single woman living on a golf course. Apparently there are many golfers who cannot tell the difference between a fairway and private property. I have often had as many as twenty "golfers" (trespassers ) in my yard on a given day. I have watched them beat thru my bushes with a club looking for a ball, I have found them in my front yard as I have driven up the drive.
I have stepped out of the shower at dusk to see a shadow go past the window.
I have had them within two feet of my window as I am eating.
One tried to steal a garden ornament but dropped it when yelled at by a neighbor. The golfer made a speedy exit without stopping to play golf- probably the fastest round ever played on this course.
My dog has learned the boundary of the course and our yard and seldom barks unless yard entry has been made. When my husband was dying, interruptions in his sleep were a big deal. The dog was only doing what he was taught...to warn us of intruders. Since golfers can play the course after official hours, it is sometimes almost dark when I see these unknown unregistered ( starter shack closed) people in my yards and walking next to my windows.
Yes, it is private property, I pay the taxes and do the upkeep. I do not appreciate golfers telling me that they have the "right" to be there because I live on a course.
I don't mind if they retrieve their ball when it is just inside my property and in plain view although I never understand people that can afford a cart and a set of clubs but can't afford to lose a ball. That ball is so valuable to them that not only do they invade my privacy, usually one or two more, accompany them to "help".

I fully expect everyone in this forum to jump all over me. Yes, I live on a course but if I lived on a curve in a street, I would not appreciate cars missing the curve and coming into my yard. If I lived by an airport runway, I would expect the jets not to accidentally take off my roof. However, your violation of my privacy and property rights is not an accident, it is done willfully.

I don't think many on this forum would appreciate strangers in their yards,especially as night falls.. Oh, please don't hit off my grass... the golf course landscaping crew has never visited my house to repair your divots.
I do enjoy watching the golfers (when they are on the course) and will have friendly conversations with them. I have offered shelter to golfers caught by a lightening storm without a cart.
Golf is supposed to be a "gentlemen's game" - please follow The Villages golf rules and have fun but stay on the course.
Since this is a thread about a woman alone startled by strangers in her yard, I feel I have stayed on topic.
My neighbors generally feel the same way I do.

You have every right to complain and you should be doing it to course manager so they can make the Ambassadors do they're JOB. CONTROL the idiots.

Golf a gentleman's game? that's an oxymoron! Your post proves it!

[Gpsma]

This is hysterical...private property at TV...the houses are so close that the concept of private property is a joke.

Yes, annoying when strangers think they can walk around. But i have had neighbors cutting through houses on my cull de sac to go see others on the street behind. Whats the big deal? Wave at me, say hello, and smile...walking on my grass doesnt upset me.

Maybee some of you come from an area where you have to post no tresspassing signs to keep the poachers away.

[Polar Bear]

This is hysterical...private property at TV...the houses are so close that the concept of private property is a joke....
The size of Villages lots is far from unique in the world of subdivisions. But that's irrelevant anyway. Private property is private property.

[graciegirl]

You have every right to complain and you should be doing it to course manager so they can make the Ambassadors do they're JOB. CONTROL the idiots.

Golf a gentleman's game? that's an oxymoron! Your post proves it!

We have lived in golf communities for the last forty years. I do think that golf is a game played by mostly well behaved people. Many people new to the game are trying it here in The Villages and many don't know the rules of behavior. Or the rules of the game either. Some are vacationers without ties to our community. That said, there are those who don't care about anybody but themselves. And that goes for almost everything. Times have changed. Sadly.

[rubicon]

I am a single woman living on a golf course. Apparently there are many golfers who cannot tell the difference between a fairway and private property. I have often had as many as twenty "golfers" (trespassers ) in my yard on a given day. I have watched them beat thru my bushes with a club looking for a ball, I have found them in my front yard as I have driven up the drive.
I have stepped out of the shower at dusk to see a shadow go past the window.
I have had them within two feet of my window as I am eating.
One tried to steal a garden ornament but dropped it when yelled at by a neighbor. The golfer made a speedy exit without stopping to play golf- probably the fastest round ever played on this course.
My dog has learned the boundary of the course and our yard and seldom barks unless yard entry has been made. When my husband was dying, interruptions in his sleep were a big deal. The dog was only doing what he was taught...to warn us of intruders. Since golfers can play the course after official hours, it is sometimes almost dark when I see these unknown unregistered ( starter shack closed) people in my yards and walking next to my windows.
Yes, it is private property, I pay the taxes and do the upkeep. I do not appreciate golfers telling me that they have the "right" to be there because I live on a course.
I don't mind if they retrieve their ball when it is just inside my property and in plain view although I never understand people that can afford a cart and a set of clubs but can't afford to lose a ball. That ball is so valuable to them that not only do they invade my privacy, usually one or two more, accompany them to "help".

I fully expect everyone in this forum to jump all over me. Yes, I live on a course but if I lived on a curve in a street, I would not appreciate cars missing the curve and coming into my yard. If I lived by an airport runway, I would expect the jets not to accidentally take off my roof. However, your violation of my privacy and property rights is not an accident, it is done willfully.

I don't think many on this forum would appreciate strangers in their yards,especially as night falls.. Oh, please don't hit off my grass... the golf course landscaping crew has never visited my house to repair your divots.
I do enjoy watching the golfers (when they are on the course) and will have friendly conversations with them. I have offered shelter to golfers caught by a lightening storm without a cart.
Golf is supposed to be a "gentlemen's game" - please follow The Villages golf rules and have fun but stay on the course.
Since this is a thread about a woman alone startled by strangers in her yard, I feel I have stayed on topic.
My neighbors generally feel the same way I do.

Bambi:

I believe what you say but I am curious to know

do you live on a championship course or an executive course? If a championship I would not ask you which of the 9 hole course you live on but only if its Palmer's Havana, etc. if you live on an executive course I would not also be so bold as to ask which one but is the course on the north side or the south side?

I asked because you describe an abuse of privacy that I have never heard in 11 years being here.

I live on a championship course and only 3 times in 11 years has anyone entered onto my property

Personal Best Regards:

[fred53]

Good grief! It matters not whether there was a for sale sign...IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY! What don't some of you understand? Basic respect for others dictates you do not go on other peoples property without permission!!! Especially on their lawn or beside/behind the domicile.

Unbelievable that some of you make excuses for such rude behavior. It's COMMON BLOODY SENSE!!!!!!!

[rubicon]

They may have been curious from the wide spread mailing showing your beautiful home for sale but that doesn't forgive what they did. I wouldn't put up no trespassing signs since your house is for sale. This is probably an isolated instance.

GG if you are correct and the house is up for sale does trespassing still apply? Are the people who want a peek at here home now invitees?

Is it in her best interest to scare off potential buyers?
suppose a person wanting to move to TV gets a call from a friend living here and says I believe there is a house for sale that will fit your need. And the prospective buyer says can you go by the house and take a look, perhaps even some photos....just saying

[Gpsma]

Good grief! It matters not whether there was a for sale sign...IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY! What don't some of you understand? Basic respect for others dictates you do not go on other peoples property without permission!!! Especially on their lawn or beside/behind the domicile.

Unbelievable that some of you make excuses for such rude behavior. It's COMMON BLOODY SENSE!!!!!!!

Would it upset you if your neighbor to your right walked across your lawn to see the neighborto your left?

[rubicon]

This is hysterical...private property at TV...the houses are so close that the concept of private property is a joke.

Yes, annoying when strangers think they can walk around. But i have had neighbors cutting through houses on my cull de sac to go see others on the street behind. Whats the big deal? Wave at me, say hello, and smile...walking on my grass doesnt upset me.

Maybee some of you come from an area where you have to post no tresspassing signs to keep the poachers away.

Gpsma: points well taken:D

Personal Best Regards:

[jsw14]

Trespassing HUMMM, How about what happen too me today... My neighbor (two doors down) came over when I was in my house (in the bathroom) & turned down my radio in the garage cause it was toooo loud..... It had to be her, cause I asked my wife if she turned it down when she came back from her friends house. The wife said NO she didn't touch the radio... We have had Run-in's with this neighbor before............ Trespassing!!!!

[asianthree]

Well one can always resort to what we do with the wildlife in the garden. Turn on the sprinklers. MAke them go away, and alexia does it for me

[Sandtrap328]

Trespassing HUMMM, How about what happen too me today... My neighbor (two doors down) came over when I was in my house (in the bathroom) & turned down my radio in the garage cause it was toooo loud..... It had to be her, cause I asked my wife if she turned it down when she came back from her friends house. The wife said NO she didn't touch the radio... We have had Run-in's with this neighbor before............ Trespassing!!!!

Firstly, as Judge Judy would say, "You have no PROOF it was the neighbor lady". You did not see her do it.

Secondly, was your garage door open while you were in the house? Not a wise move, my friend.

Thirdly, if the radio was loud enough to bother your neighbors two doors away WITH the garage door open, it was TOO loud!

You were lucky she (if it was the neighbor) just turned the volume down instead of taking the bothersome (to her) radio. You would have no proof of who took it since you were otherwise disposed.

Or she could have reported YOU to the Sheriff for disturbing HER -
(Loud radio with the garage door open and you not in the garage)

[missypie]

Last year our daughter was visiting us with the 2 grandkids, one was in potty training mode. We were walking one morning when the little one said, mommy, I have to go pee pee. Our daughter picked up her little child and bolted through several yards to the close rec center going through several yards. Just to let all know I hope no one would have yelled at her

[graciegirl]

Firstly, as Judge Judy would say, "You have no PROOF it was the neighbor lady". You did not see her do it.

Secondly, was your garage door open while you were in the house? Not a wise move, my friend.

Thirdly, if the radio was loud enough to bother your neighbors two doors away WITH the garage door open, it was TOO loud!

You were lucky she (if it was the neighbor) just turned the volume down instead of taking the bothersome (to her) radio. You would have no proof of who took it since you were otherwise disposed.

Or she could have reported YOU to the Sheriff for disturbing HER -
(Loud radio with the garage door open and you not in the garage)

I so wanted to say that.

[jsw14]

Firstly, as Judge Judy would say, "You have no PROOF it was the neighbor lady". You did not see her do it.

Secondly, was your garage door open while you were in the house? Not a wise move, my friend.

Thirdly, if the radio was loud enough to bother your neighbors two doors away WITH the garage door open, it was TOO loud!

You were lucky she (if it was the neighbor) just turned the volume down instead of taking the bothersome (to her) radio. You would have no proof of who took it since you were otherwise disposed.

Or she could have reported YOU to the Sheriff for disturbing HER -
(Loud radio with the garage door open and you not in the garage)

OK Sandtrap, I'm glad U don't live in my neighbor-hood. Only I Know what is happen'in in MY Hood here in Springdale. Maybe when I have to go to the Bathroom I Will close the garage door & leave the radio on. Then open the door again... Hopefully U don't just Walk in any garage & NOT Knock on the door.....HELLO!!!!!

[Polar Bear]

Man, Sandtrap. I've always known you were a hard dude. But this just reinforces it!! :)

[Bambi]

I live with on an executive course. Most golfers are very nice and courteous. However there is the one that shouted "F you lady, you live on a golf course and that gives me the right to walk wherever I f.ing want. What are you going to do about it?" He was yelling so loud my neighbor came out of his house. He must have had a bad game that day and couldn't keep his balls on the fairway. I had found him in my four foot wide hedges thrashing through them with his club and body like a bear foraging for honey. All for a golf ball?

But then there was the day when I answered my doorbell and the man standing there said " I was playing golf and the ball hit your house. I wondered if you would like to walk around it and check for any damage I might have done?" I was so astonished that all I could stammer was "I don't know you but I have a good idea of how great your parents were or are to raise a man to take personal responsibility." He said that I was totally correct that his moral values were influenced by his upbringing and that he always tried to not only live his life like that but he taught his children the same. Wow.

[justjim]

I am a single woman living on a golf course. Apparently there are many golfers who cannot tell the difference between a fairway and private property. I have often had as many as twenty "golfers" (trespassers ) in my yard on a given day. I have watched them beat thru my bushes with a club looking for a ball, I have found them in my front yard as I have driven up the drive.
I have stepped out of the shower at dusk to see a shadow go past the window.
I have had them within two feet of my window as I am eating.
One tried to steal a garden ornament but dropped it when yelled at by a neighbor. The golfer made a speedy exit without stopping to play golf- probably the fastest round ever played on this course.
My dog has learned the boundary of the course and our yard and seldom barks unless yard entry has been made. When my husband was dying, interruptions in his sleep were a big deal. The dog was only doing what he was taught...to warn us of intruders. Since golfers can play the course after official hours, it is sometimes almost dark when I see these unknown unregistered ( starter shack closed) people in my yards and walking next to my windows.
Yes, it is private property, I pay the taxes and do the upkeep. I do not appreciate golfers telling me that they have the "right" to be there because I live on a course.
I don't mind if they retrieve their ball when it is just inside my property and in plain view although I never understand people that can afford a cart and a set of clubs but can't afford to lose a ball. That ball is so valuable to them that not only do they invade my privacy, usually one or two more, accompany them to "help".

I fully expect everyone in this forum to jump all over me. Yes, I live on a course but if I lived on a curve in a street, I would not appreciate cars missing the curve and coming into my yard. If I lived by an airport runway, I would expect the jets not to accidentally take off my roof. However, your violation of my privacy and property rights is not an accident, it is done willfully.

I don't think many on this forum would appreciate strangers in their yards,especially as night falls.. Oh, please don't hit off my grass... the golf course landscaping crew has never visited my house to repair your divots.
I do enjoy watching the golfers (when they are on the course) and will have friendly conversations with them. I have offered shelter to golfers caught by a lightening storm without a cart.
Golf is supposed to be a "gentlemen's game" - please follow The Villages golf rules and have fun but stay on the course.
Since this is a thread about a woman alone startled by strangers in her yard, I feel I have stayed on topic.
My neighbors generally feel the same way I do.

In The Villages you have a large population of "relative" new golfers who do not understand nor practice golf etiquette. This is especially true on the executive golf courses. Golf etiquette is mentioned in the good golf school but unfortunately not every new golfer grasp the need to practice golf etiquette. You never go onto private property to retrieve a golf ball. Private property is out of bounds.

By the same token, a person doesn't wander into another persons yard unless he/she is invited. This too is poor etiquette even if it is an innocent intrusive look at your property that is for sale. Some people just don't use common sense but unless they drive through your yard in their jeep it might be best to ignore them as this will likely pass in due time.

[manaboutown]

Trespassing HUMMM, How about what happen too me today... My neighbor (two doors down) came over when I was in my house (in the bathroom) & turned down my radio in the garage cause it was toooo loud..... It had to be her, cause I asked my wife if she turned it down when she came back from her friends house. The wife said NO she didn't touch the radio... We have had Run-in's with this neighbor before............ Trespassing!!!!

Properly positioned cameras would have given you an answer.

[CFrance]

Last year our daughter was visiting us with the 2 grandkids, one was in potty training mode. We were walking one morning when the little one said, mommy, I have to go pee pee. Our daughter picked up her little child and bolted through several yards to the close rec center going through several yards. Just to let all know I hope no one would have yelled at her
If I saw a mom bolting through my yard holding a toddler, I absolutely would assume it was a legitimate emergency. If I saw someone thrashing through my landscaping looking for something, I would automatically assume it was an arrogant, self-proclaimed entitled SOB.

Oh... and I'm with Sandtrap and Gracie. Why would one subject the neighborhood to your personal choice of radio station? We are not very far apart down here. You're not back in _________ (fill in the blank former house with an acre or two). Be a good neighbor.

[Md girl]

I get really ticked at people who allow their dogs to do their business in my yard. I don't dislike animals but I don't have any and don't want other people's dogs doing this business in my yard. I don't just mean on the edge of my property. I have seen dogs almost up to my door. All I ask is people respect others yards. Let your dog do his business in your own yard.

[jsw14]

Properly positioned cameras would have recorded her trespass if that is what occurred.

Naw, I don't need cameras.. How about a Letter that she wrote & put on the car windshield back in May of this year say'in the radio is to loud & the neighbors can't even sit on their front porch to read a book... I have talked to all the people on the street & they say NO, I can't hear the radio........ BTW> Nobody I can see on the street sit's on there front porch (not even Her) to read a book in the heat of day....:popcorn:

[John_W]

Originally Posted by jsw14
Trespassing HUMMM, How about what happen too me today... My neighbor (two doors down) came over when I was in my house (in the bathroom) & turned down my radio in the garage cause it was toooo loud..... It had to be her, cause I asked my wife if she turned it down when she came back from her friends house. The wife said NO she didn't touch the radio... We have had Run-in's with this neighbor before............ Trespassing!!!!

When people ask why do you have a screen on your garage opening. Besides gators, snakes, bugs, I can add trespassing neighbors.

[Wiotte]

I live with on an executive course. Most golfers are very nice and courteous. However there is the one that shouted "F you lady, you live on a golf course and that gives me the right to walk wherever I f.ing want. What are you going to do about it?" He was yelling so loud my neighbor came out of his house. He must have had a bad game that day and couldn't keep his balls on the fairway. I had found him in my four foot wide hedges thrashing through them with his club and body like a bear foraging for honey. All for a golf ball?



But then there was the day when I answered my doorbell and the man standing there said " I was playing golf and the ball hit your house. I wondered if you would like to walk around it and check for any damage I might have done?" I was so astonished that all I could stammer was "I don't know you but I have a good idea of how great your parents were or are to raise a man to take personal responsibility." He said that I was totally correct that his moral values were influenced by his upbringing and that he always tried to not only live his life like that but he taught his children the same. Wow.



All good reasons not to border a golf course.


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[Barefoot]

Were I looking to buy a place and saw cameras on the home, I WOULD THINK THE OWNER DID NOT FEEL SAFE HERE.
:agree:

Good grief! It matters not whether there was a for sale sign...IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY! What don't some of you understand? Basic respect for others dictates you do not go on other peoples property without permission!!! Especially on their lawn or beside/behind the domicile.
Unbelievable that some of you make excuses for such rude behavior. It's COMMON BLOODY SENSE!!!!!!!
:agree:

In The Villages you have a large population of "relative" new golfers who do not understand nor practice golf etiquette.
I don't think that golf etiquette has anything to do with trespassing on private property.

[Barefoot]

Why would one subject the neighborhood to your personal choice of radio station? We are not very far apart down here. You're not back in _________ (fill in the blank former house with an acre or two). Be a good neighbor.I agree, be a good neighbor.
Perhaps the owner two doors down is gifted with excellent hearing, and your radio is irritating to her.
I know in the past, there have been complaints about televisions loudly playing on lanais.

[VApeople]

I get really ticked at people who allow their dogs to do their business in my yard.

If that happens, file a complaint with the Sumter County Animal Control staff in Sumterville.

[coffeebean]

I am a single woman living on a golf course. Apparently there are many golfers who cannot tell the difference between a fairway and private property. .............

I had no idea living on a golf course could be this bad. I never did want to live on a golf course and I'm so glad I don't. I value my privacy and it seems a golf course view lot is not the way to achieve that.

In south Florida, we lived on a beautiful lake. At times, people would come by the back of our home on a paddle boat. I didn't care for that but thank goodness, that didn't happen all that often. I would go out of my mind if I had to deal with what Bambi has said about golfers in her back (and front) yards.

[coffeebean]

There is a man who lives on a cul-de-sac that backs up to our lot. He is here full-time, we are part time. Everyday, he chooses to walk his dogs through the entire depth of my yard to get to wherever he walks his dogs -and back again.

How long have you put up with this? I am speechless! How rude. Why haven't you told him you do not want him walking on your property? I would have approached him about that the first time I saw him take the trek with his dogs.

[coffeebean]

Gracie dear, perhaps I'm a bit uncouth, but if I knew it belonged to the neighbor, I would have returned it to the neighbor. I was taught not to keep what is not mine. What nerve some people have!

:shocked:

Are you assuming the clod did not curb the dog? The poop was left on Gracie's property? Nah.....couldn't be so.

[coffeebean]

This is hysterical...private property at TV...the houses are so close that the concept of private property is a joke.

Yes, annoying when strangers think they can walk around. But i have had neighbors cutting through houses on my cull de sac to go see others on the street behind. Whats the big deal? Wave at me, say hello, and smile...walking on my grass doesnt upset me.

Maybee some of you come from an area where you have to post no tresspassing signs to keep the poachers away.

Sorry.....this is just wrong on every level. Yes the properties are postage stamp size. A property line is just that. It is a border of private property. Mindful people do not cross property lines.

Our mail center is directly behind our cul-de-sac. I would never think of walking on my neighbor's property to access the street behind their home to make a quick stroll to the mail center. In fact, now that I know them very well, I would not even consider asking them if it were OK to walk on their property to get to the mail center. That is just rude with a capital R. As you can see, I value my privacy and I respect other's privacy.

[manaboutown]

Sorry.....this is just wrong on every level. Yes the properties are postage stamp size. A property line is just that. It is a border of private property. Mindful people do not cross property lines.

Our mail center is directly behind our cul-de-sac. I would never think of walking on my neighbor's property to access the street behind their home to make a quick stroll to the mail center. In fact, now that I know them very well, I would not even consider asking them if it were OK to walk on their property to get to the mail center. That is just rude with a capital R. As you can see, I value my privacy and I respect other's privacy.

:BigApplause:

[coffeebean]

Bambi:

I believe what you say but I am curious to know

do you live on a championship course or an executive course? If a championship I would not ask you which of the 9 hole course you live on but only if its Palmer's Havana, etc. if you live on an executive course I would not also be so bold as to ask which one but is the course on the north side or the south side?

I asked because you describe an abuse of privacy that I have never heard in 11 years being here.

I live on a championship course and only 3 times in 11 years has anyone entered onto my property

Personal Best Regards:

That you are aware of.

[Sandtrap328]

Naw, I don't need cameras.. How about a Letter that she wrote & put on the car windshield back in May of this year say'in the radio is to loud & the neighbors can't even sit on their front porch to read a book... I have talked to all the people on the street & they say NO, I can't hear the radio........ BTW> Nobody I can see on the street sit's on there front porch (not even Her) to read a book in the heat of day....:popcorn:

Since your neighbor did put a note on your car saying the radio was too loud for her, why didn't you do the neighborly thing and lower the volume to you hearing it yourself and not two doors away from that day forward?

Even IF the other neighbors were not bothered, she was. Be kind and lower the volume.

IF she had asked you on the day in question to please lower the radio volume (in person) would you have done it? Or would you have ignored her?

[coffeebean]

GG if you are correct and the house is up for sale does trespassing still apply? Are the people who want a peek at here home now invitees?

Is it in her best interest to scare off potential buyers?
suppose a person wanting to move to TV gets a call from a friend living here and says I believe there is a house for sale that will fit your need. And the prospective buyer says can you go by the house and take a look, perhaps even some photos....just saying

How about ringing the door bell and asking if it is OK to go on their property to take photos? Yup.....common sense and common courtesy.

[coffeebean]

Trespassing HUMMM, How about what happen too me today... My neighbor (two doors down) came over when I was in my house (in the bathroom) & turned down my radio in the garage cause it was toooo loud..... It had to be her, cause I asked my wife if she turned it down when she came back from her friends house. The wife said NO she didn't touch the radio... We have had Run-in's with this neighbor before............ Trespassing!!!!

My eyes are bleeding after reading this. You are joking. Right?

[CWGUY]

:agree:


:agree:


I don't think that golf etiquette has anything to do with trespassing on private property.

:read:Golf The Villages (http://www.golfthevillages.com/golf-in-the-villages/etiquette.asp)

"Please never play a ball from the yard of a resident. It is also appropriate to report any damage of private property to the homeowner. We ask that you never retrieve your ball from a resident’s property."

[rubicon]

That you are aware of.

if a tree falls in a forest and one is not there does the tree make a sound?

[rubicon]

How about ringing the door bell and asking if it is OK to go on their property to take photos? Yup.....common sense and common courtesy.

Ah here we can revert to the discussion of we have a communications problem or the EXPECTATIONS
VIS A VIS INTENT DILEMMA .

I contend that the wide spread advertisements and selling of this home changes the status of people coming onto this property from trespassers to invitees and as such unless the homeowner in her advisement made clear that no one was allowed on the premises without a prior appointment creates a dilemma.

While I understand your meaning of call ahead, it would appear to be "common sense" by some people to deduce that since the property is for sale it is open for inspection.

Actually I would welcome people to come take a look kick the tires because I want to sell my house and I want to sell it quickly..but that's another topic.

For homeowners who have lawn service, pest control etc you have what is referred to as licensee, allowing them to come onto your property to provide the service you pay for.

People are over reacting and applying a dichotomy to this issue and in some respects its puzzling to me.

The house is for sale "for sale" begs take a look, the expectation would be some people would not want to contact the owner with any kind of commitment until they had a look, a sincere interest in the property.

If this intrusion was happening to the homeowner and the house was not for sale well that's a horse of a different color

Personal Best Regards:

[jsw14]

My eyes are bleeding after reading this. You are joking. Right?

Nope, think what U want, I don't joke around with people walk'in into my garage when I'm not out there. Yes I happen to have a door bell on my front door. Thank U very much...

[graciegirl]

Nope, think what U want, I don't joke around with people walk'in into my garage when I'm not out there. Yes I happen to have a door bell on my front door. Thank U very much...

If someone would have come in my garage and turned my radio down, I would have been ...first annoyed, and then I would think that maybe I was playing it too loud. If I lived near you and it was too loud, I wouldn't say a thing, but think maybe it was time for a hearing test.

[Wiotte]

Nope, think what U want, I don't joke around with people walk'in into my garage when I'm not out there. Yes I happen to have a door bell on my front door. Thank U very much...



Ironically, if this same person had a trip and fall in your garage she would have the right to sue.


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[dbussone]

Add "by appointment only" to all your ads. Might help.



Probably not, unfortunately. It is unlikely to deter those folks for whom this is a sport.


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[Sandtrap328]

Ironically, if this same person had a trip and fall in your garage she would have the right to sue.


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Absolutely right! That is a big reason for closing the garage door anytime you are not in it.

[Chatbrat]

In the community we live in, there is a "gentleman" who likes to exercise @ 6:00 AM--he would open his garage door, blast the radio in his car with the car doors open--besides hearing him- we could see him shirtless, doing all kinds of exercise stunts in his driveway- , we are separated by another house behind us

We, had to resort to extreme landscaping to hide him and deaden his AM wake ups

[rubicon]

Absolutely right! That is a big reason for closing the garage door anytime you are not in it.

Yep, I keep my garage door down except to enter and exit. I do so to keep critters out. It never ceases to amaze me of the number of homes I pass where the garage door is left wide open and or partial up.

Talk to your pest control guy

[manaboutown]

Another issue is the homeowners potential liability even to trespassers as well as to invitees and licensees should one trip over a garden rake or sprinkler, step in a hole or fall into a swimming pool, or the like. Homeowner Liability: Invitees, Licensees, and Trespassers - FindLaw (http://realestate.findlaw.com/owning-a-home/homeowner-liability-invitees-licensees-and-trespassers.html)

I sleep much better having cameras likely to record such unlikely events.

[Barefoot]

I live on a championship course and only 3 times in 11 years has anyone entered onto my property.
I think the amount of trespassing depends on whether a ball can easily go astray on a resident's property.
We back on Churchill Greens, and have never had anyone trespass on our property in ten years.
However we picked our home with that in mind, that stray balls couldn't possibly land on our back lawn.
But I digress; this thread is about trespassing when a home is for sale.


I contend that the wide spread advertisements and selling of this home changes the status of people coming onto this property from trespassers to invitees and as such unless the homeowner in her advisement made clear that no one was allowed on the premises without a prior appointment creates a dilemma.[B] While I understand your meaning of call ahead, it would appear to be "common sense" by some people to deduce that since the property is for sale it is open for inspection.

I don't agree Rubicon, and I retired from a long career as a real estate broker.
I never had a client that felt it was OK to trespass on a property that was for sale.
I think it's common knowledge that a prospective purchaser cannot inspect a house or property without an appointment,
and unless they are accompanied by a real estate agent.
If it isn't common knowledge, it should be.
Having a home for sale doesn't give people the right to trespass or look in windows. That would freak anyone out!

[jsw14]

Ironically, ]if this same person[/B] had a trip and fall in your garage she would have the right to sue.


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OMG, Really? Well then, maybe I should CLOSE my garage door when I'm out Mow'in my yard. That way they can SUE ME if they fall come'in UP too Ring the Door Bell...Sheezzz, I really thought this was A Trespassing Thread.....

[Carl in Tampa]

OMG, Really? Well then, maybe I should CLOSE my garage door when I'm out Mow'in my yard. That way they can SUE ME if they fall come'in UP too Ring the Door Bell...Sheezzz, I really thought this was A Trespassing Thread.....

Actually, they could sue you over approaching your front door if they could allege some obstruction that caused them to trip and fall.

Your Homeowner's Insurer would probably make a settlement rather than spend time in court defending you, no matter how poor the complainant's case might be.

I think the point of the post about being sued was the irony that you can be sued by a trespasser, who will walk away with money in his pocket.

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[manaboutown]

Actually, they could sue you over approaching your front door if they could allege some obstruction that caused them to trip and fall.

Your Homeowner's Insurer would probably make a settlement rather than spend time in court defending you, no matter how poor the complainant's case might be.

I think the point of the post about being sued was the irony that you can be sued by a trespasser, who will walk away with money in his pocket.

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Yep! Your money (via your insurance company if you have one).

[jsw14]

Hmmm, maybe I need to look in to get'in a Trespassing license.

[Wiotte]

Hmmm, maybe I need to look in to get'in a Trespassing license.



Can't get a license to break a law. Unless you're 007.


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[dbussone]

Can't get a license to break a law. Unless you're 007.


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[New Englander]

Hmmm, maybe I need to look in to get'in a Trespassing license.

Be a good neighbor and turn the radio down. It obvious it upsetting your neighbor.

[rubicon]

Another issue is the homeowners potential liability even to trespassers as well as to invitees and licensees should one trip over a garden rake or sprinkler, step in a hole or fall into a swimming pool, or the like. Homeowner Liability: Invitees, Licensees, and Trespassers - FindLaw (http://realestate.findlaw.com/owning-a-home/homeowner-liability-invitees-licensees-and-trespassers.html)

I sleep much better having cameras likely to record such unlikely events.

The key to this is "the duty owed" for example for a trespasser it amounts to not setting traps.

However a peer of mine advised us to settle a claim because his employer , a public utility had to settle for a large sum even though the guy at the time was robbing them of the copper content and in the process was electrocuted losing both arms. Yes jury sided with the robber??????????????????????????????

[rubicon]

I think the amount of trespassing depends on whether a ball can easily go astray on a resident's property.
We back on Churchill Greens, and have never had anyone trespass on our property in ten years.
However we picked our home with that in mind, that stray balls couldn't possibly land on our back lawn.
But I digress; this thread is about trespassing when a home is for sale.



I don't agree Rubicon, and I retired from a long career as a real estate broker.
I never had a client that felt it was OK to trespass on a property that was for sale.
I think it's common knowledge that a prospective purchaser cannot inspect a house or property without an appointment,
and unless they are accompanied by a real estate agent.
If it isn't common knowledge, it should be.
Having a home for sale doesn't give people the right to trespass or look in windows. That would freak anyone out!

Hi Barefoot> I agree with your reference of location upon a course. As we played courses over the years before homes were being built we witnessed where errant balls fell in empty lots and comment that we just broke the guy's window. Note the number of people who have "no trespassing signs on their back lots. One home had a sign that read "My yard, my ball". One lady threatened people with a water hose if they happened on her property. I was told one guy called the sheriff so often TV bought his house to move him off the course? Why buy on a lot course ?

As to people viewing a home for sale. I do not disagree with what you say. However and again we are talking about expectations vis a vis intent...the reality is the home is being advertised. a prospective buyer wants to look all around the home. In addition the home in question is on a golf course and the people will want a view of that course they will view the advertisement as an invitation and if they are in the initial stages of an investigation of location , etc they will not want to engage the homeowner yet. Again some will call some will not but once the home is advertised it sets in motion the unexpected....and right and wrong matter little

PS I like living on a golf course and I haven't experienced what others report. the vast majority of golfers are very respectful

Personal Best Regards:

[Barefoot]

As to people viewing a home for sale. I do not disagree with what you say. However and again we are talking about expectations vis a vis intent...the reality is the home is being advertised. a prospective buyer wants to look all around the home. In addition the home in question is on a golf course and the people will want a view of that course they will view the advertisement as an invitation and if they are in the initial stages of an investigation of location , etc they will not want to engage the homeowner yet. Again some will call some will not but once the home is advertised it sets in motion the unexpected....and right and wrong matter little.
You're right; there are always prospective purchasers that want to check out a property's location, before booking a showing.
They don't want to "bother" the resident with a showing.
If only they knew that residents, in general, are way more bothered by trespassing than a scheduled showing!
It's especially disconcerting to find someone peering in your windows.

[samhass]

Ah here we can revert to the discussion of we have a communications problem or the EXPECTATIONS
VIS A VIS INTENT DILEMMA .

I contend that the wide spread advertisements and selling of this home changes the status of people coming onto this property from trespassers to invitees and as such unless the homeowner in her advisement made clear that no one was allowed on the premises without a prior appointment creates a dilemma.

While I understand your meaning of call ahead, it would appear to be "common sense" by some people to deduce that since the property is for sale it is open for inspection.



Actually I would welcome people to come take a look kick the tires because I want to sell my house and I want to sell it quickly..but that's another topic.

For homeowners who have lawn service, pest control etc you have what is referred to as licensee, allowing them to come onto your property to provide the service you pay for.

People are over reacting and applying a dichotomy to this issue and in some respects its puzzling to me.

The house is for sale "for sale" begs take a look, the expectation would be some people would not want to contact the owner with any kind of commitment until they had a look, a sincere interest in the property.

If this intrusion was happening to the homeowner and the house was not for sale well that's a horse of a different color

Personal Best Regards:

Thanks for your input.
If driven by curiosity, the realtor not only has pictures of the house and interior, there is also a video tour and a drone flyover. The lot is 3/4 of an acre. For these people to be right up on my house is worrisome. The home can be seen by appointment only, and I did this because I seriously enjoy my privacy...sale or no sale. Friends and neighbors can walk in my yard and are always welcome to drop by. I draw the line when total strangers are behind my house. It is right on Lake Sumter, so they really had to take a long walk to get here, and there is no reason for them to be back there. Curiosity is not a reason. I don't think a sale will be lost because they could not walk all around the yard unannounced. Many people have driven around the cul de sac several times to look. If they are interested, the realtor would be happy to show the home and property. If I see them stopped and looking, I may offer to walk around with them. Otherwise, I really hope they will look from the street or cart path, then call the realtor.

[BobnBev]

Thanks for your input.
If driven by curiosity, the realtor not only has pictures of the house and interior, there is also a video tour and a drone flyover. The lot is 3/4 of an acre. For these people to be right up on my house is worrisome. The home can be seen by appointment only, and I did this because I seriously enjoy my privacy...sale or no sale. Friends and neighbors can walk in my yard and are always welcome to drop by. I draw the line when total strangers are behind my house. It is right on Lake Sumter, so they really had to take a long walk to get here, and there is no reason for them to be back there. Curiosity is not a reason. I don't think a sale will be lost because they could not walk all around the yard unannounced. Many people have driven around the cul de sac several times to look. If they are interested, the realtor would be happy to show the home and property. If I see them stopped and looking, I may offer to walk around with them. Otherwise, I really hope they will look from the street or cart path, then call the realtor.

Where exactly is this house? I would like to make an appointment to see it.

[samhass]

At the dead end of Ternberry Forest Dr, Bridgeport Lake Sumter.

[graciegirl]

At the dead end of Ternberry Forest Dr, Bridgeport Lake Sumter.

This home has one of the best views, if not the best view in all of The Villages. It looks out on the Lighthouse and Lake Sumter and the Waterfront hotel..... AND the golf course. The interior has been enlarged and made even more beautiful by the inhabitants who enjoyed the home for many years. It has an awe inspiring grand staircase to a second floor view that is amazing. The owners have used the best contractors and the best materials and have used their own excellent taste to make this house magnificent. I know Sam (who is a girl) is leaving it with much sadness. They are using Mary Grant who is one of our neighbors as the listing agent. I hope someone will love it like the people who picked it and made it even more beautiful. I hope Samhass will enjoy her beautiful home near Philadelphia for awhile and then decide to return.

[samhass]

Thank you, Grace, for that beautiful description. We have loved being here. It just isn't the same without my sweetheart. I am not sure why we thought we would live forever, but we did. We had such joy in this house, and I hope the buyer will experience that same joy.
I was happy to be so close to hospice, too. He spent his last eight days there. I go up on the balcony , gaze over at the building, and try to mentally communicate with him. I will be taking him home to the woods and we will have our ashes joined when it is my time. I have a favorite rock that overlooks the valley, and our joined ashes will be cast to the winds. We will add alkalinity to the forest floor below, and parts of us will go into the stream that travels on to the Delaware, then to the Atlantic. From there, we will travel the world. So, we still have plans, the two of us.

[duffysmom]

Thank you, Grace, for that beautiful description. We have loved being here. It just isn't the same without my sweetheart. I am not sure why we thought we would live forever, but we did. We had such joy in this house, and I hope the buyer will experience that same joy.
I was happy to be so close to hospice, too. He spent his last eight days there. I go up on the balcony , gaze over at the building, and try to mentally communicate with him. I will be taking him home to the woods and we will have our ashes joined when it is my time. I have a favorite rock that overlooks the valley, and our joined ashes will be cast to the winds. We will add alkalinity to the forest floor below, and parts of us will go into the stream that travels on to the Delaware, then to the Atlantic. From there, we will travel the world. So, we still have plans, the two of us.

Sam, your description of the life you led with your beloved husband and your plans to be together in eternity brought tears to my eyes. What a blessing to have experienced such a full and happy union.

[birdawg]

Thank you, Grace, for that beautiful description. We have loved being here. It just isn't the same without my sweetheart. I am not sure why we thought we would live forever, but we did. We had such joy in this house, and I hope the buyer will experience that same joy.
I was happy to be so close to hospice, too. He spent his last eight days there. I go up on the balcony , gaze over at the building, and try to mentally communicate with him. I will be taking him home to the woods and we will have our ashes joined when it is my time. I have a favorite rock that overlooks the valley, and our joined ashes will be cast to the winds. We will add alkalinity to the forest floor below, and parts of us will go into the stream that travels on to the Delaware, then to the Atlantic. From there, we will travel the world. So, we still have plans, the two of us.

Nice, God Bless

[Polar Bear]

Sam, your description of the life you led with your beloved husband and your plans to be together in eternity brought tears to my eyes. What a blessing to have experienced such a full and happy union.
My feelings also. God bless. :)

[rubicon]

Thanks for your input.
If driven by curiosity, the realtor not only has pictures of the house and interior, there is also a video tour and a drone flyover. The lot is 3/4 of an acre. For these people to be right up on my house is worrisome. The home can be seen by appointment only, and I did this because I seriously enjoy my privacy...sale or no sale. Friends and neighbors can walk in my yard and are always welcome to drop by. I draw the line when total strangers are behind my house. It is right on Lake Sumter, so they really had to take a long walk to get here, and there is no reason for them to be back there. Curiosity is not a reason. I don't think a sale will be lost because they could not walk all around the yard unannounced. Many people have driven around the cul de sac several times to look. If they are interested, the realtor would be happy to show the home and property. If I see them stopped and looking, I may offer to walk around with them. Otherwise, I really hope they will look from the street or cart path, then call the realtor.

samhass:

You and i have no disagreement. Your view is based on what happened, end result of your advertisement. Again mine is from expectations. some people will just want to drop by for a quick look. it may not be right but it is the human experience.

I spoke with my lawn guy about this issue and he instructed his staff to stay within the boundaries of the lawns they are trimming.

Your reaction is appears to favor a number of residents living here

I looked at homes in your neighborhood when they were being built. Lovely location.

Best of luck with your sale.

Personal Best Regards:

[jeriteri]

I had a guy prowling around the front of a home I had for sale. He bought the home. You never know!

[Wiotte]

I had a guy prowling around the front of a home I had for sale. He bought the home. You never know!



Ha ! Good thing you didn't shoot him.


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[rubicon]

I had a guy prowling around the front of a home I had for sale. He bought the home. You never know!

jeriteri..... been my point all along...thank you