The "true Trump" voter

[mellincf]

"True Trump” voters – people who voted for the president because they supported him rather than opposed Hillary Clinton – make up about 22 percent of registered voters. It’s not surprising that Republicans are uneasier with the cultural changes of the last few years than Democrats, but among true Trump voters, a solid majority say they are uncomfortable. In fact, if you go on the road and talk to true Trump voters you hear that these cultural changes were often at the root of their vote. The true Trump element of the electorate not only stands apart from the GOP, it also stands against the general demographic trends working their way through the population.
Why '''True Trump''' Voters May Limit President'''s Room to Negotiate - NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/why-true-trump-voters-may-limit-president-s-room-negotiate-n802056?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma)

[CowBubba]

Ya can't blame voters for taking advantage of a candidate who says things like drain the swamp, build a wall between us and the Mexicans, better Puten and Russia than gays and liberals. Problem is, he has his own lobbyist, he works with liberals and is now favoring the DACA illegal immigrants. So, the trump voters got coned by the don.

[Don Baldwin]

Ya can't blame voters for taking advantage of a candidate who says things like drain the swamp, build a wall between us and the Mexicans, better Puten and Russia than gays and liberals. Problem is, he has his own lobbyist, he works with liberals and is now favoring the DACA illegal immigrants. So, the trump voters got coned by the don.

We've been conned by EVERY president.

We're conned every time we elect a D or R.

[CowBubba]

We've been conned by EVERY president.

We're conned every time we elect a D or R.

True. If trump can BS the UN tomorrow we may be back on track, if not America loses because of him.

[rubicon]

"True Trump” voters – people who voted for the president because they supported him rather than opposed Hillary Clinton – make up about 22 percent of registered voters. It’s not surprising that Republicans are uneasier with the cultural changes of the last few years than Democrats, but among true Trump voters, a solid majority say they are uncomfortable. In fact, if you go on the road and talk to true Trump voters you hear that these cultural changes were often at the root of their vote. The true Trump element of the electorate not only stands apart from the GOP, it also stands against the general demographic trends working their way through the population.
Why '''True Trump''' Voters May Limit President'''s Room to Negotiate - NBC News (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/why-true-trump-voters-may-limit-president-s-room-negotiate-n802056?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma)



Analysis by experts reveal that Trump won the election because political pundits failed to recognize that except for coastal states the American voter did not approve of
the liberal socialist cultural agenda. These voters were focused on those issues that affected their daily lives this include a number of Democrats.

Hillary was an awful candidate and never connected to the people who really mattered, the people she referred to as a basket of deplorable. She was such a bad candidate that even an old socialist was surpassing her.

People didn't vote for Trump per se. They voted for a guy who promised to return America to its traditional values. Will he? Can he? will the Establishment allow him?

Personal Best Regards:

[Taltarzac725]

Analysis by experts reveal that Trump won the election because political pundits failed to recognize that except for coastal states the American voter did not approve of
the liberal socialist cultural agenda. These voters were focused on those issues that affected their daily lives this include a number of Democrats.

Hillary was an awful candidate and never connected to the people who really mattered, the people she referred to as a basket of deplorable. She was such a bad candidate that even an old socialist was surpassing her.

People didn't vote for Trump per se. They voted for a guy who promised to return America to its traditional values. Will he? Can he? will the Establishment allow him?

Personal Best Regards:

Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes and squeaked by with winning the Electoral College by a very small margin in just a few states. James Comey's announcement of the Anthony Weiner e-maim investigation sunk Clinton's chances. She should have won easily if not for Weiner's weiner pictures.

[MDLNB]

Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes and squeaked by with winning the Electoral College by a very small margin in just a few states. James Comey's announcement of the Anthony Weiner e-maim investigation sunk Clinton's chances. She should have won easily if not for Weiner's weiner pictures.

Obviously, you ignore FACTS in favor of your biased, liberal rhetoric. To say that Trump "squeaked by...with a very small margin of electoral votes" is ludicrous. He won by Approx. a two thirds majority. And you have the audacity or IGNORANCE to say he "squeaked by." Either you are parroting flawed liberal talking points or just plain stupid.....or both.

And keep dwelling on the fallacy of winning the popular vote means you won the election and your side will lose again and again. Being the scholar you claim, why don't you go back and review the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution. It might enlighten you, DA. I understand they have a copy of the Constitution available in the Library, any Library.

[mellincf]

Obviously, you ignore FACTS in favor of your biased, liberal rhetoric. To say that Trump "squeaked by...with a very small margin of electoral votes" is ludicrous. He won by Approx. a two thirds majority. And you have the audacity or IGNORANCE to say he "squeaked by." Either you are parroting flawed liberal talking points or just plain stupid.....or both.

And keep dwelling on the fallacy of winning the popular vote means you won the election and your side will lose again and again. Being the scholar you claim, why don't you go back and review the Constitution. The U.S. Constitution. It might enlighten you, DA. I understand they have a copy of the Constitution available in the Library, any Library. The Electoral College was established in 1787 when votes had to be counted by men going around on horseback. There was no way to collect the popular vote back then. The real question in this election may be, how did the Russians know to attack the exact electoral districts which ended up being the swing districts? Did they have help from the Trump campaign, which had the data? Today's news indicates they are going to indict Paul Manafort, chairman of the Trump campaign.
Investigators explore if Russia colluded with pro-Trump sites during US election | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/05/donald-trump-russia-investigation-fake-news-hillary-clinton)
Paul Manafort was told by federal prosecutors they plan to indict him: Report - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-federal-prosecutors-told-manafort-they-plan-to-indict-him/)

[leftyf]

I voted against hillary twice. It would take an idiot to vote for her. I would vote for obama first.

[rubicon]

The Electoral College was established in 1787 when votes had to be counted by men going around on horseback. There was no way to collect the popular vote back then. The real question in this election may be, how did the Russians know to attack the exact electoral districts which ended up being the swing districts? Did they have help from the Trump campaign, which had the data? Today's news indicates they are going to indict Paul Manafort, chairman of the Trump campaign.
Investigators explore if Russia colluded with pro-Trump sites during US election | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/05/donald-trump-russia-investigation-fake-news-hillary-clinton)
Paul Manafort was told by federal prosecutors they plan to indict him: Report - CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-federal-prosecutors-told-manafort-they-plan-to-indict-him/)

Like Hillary herself ,progressive seem to be placing blame and making excuses anywhere and everywhere they can because they cannot accept that Hillary was an awful candidate. Again even Bernie the socialist was beating her until the DNC stepped in and on the poor guy.

Only the coastal cities voted for Hillary.

More importantly grasshopper, you misinform about the reason for the Electoral College. The Electoral College wasn't created because people could not count the popular vote. It was created to protect the minority view so that states with larger populations such as California with more people could not infringe on the rights/views/votes of people in South Dakota with a smaller population.

All one has to do is recall what has been happening in California in the last year or so and recognize the wisdom of the Electoral College. Does anyone believe that the rest of the country thinks and behaves as does California?

The Democratic Party should not have anointed Hillary as the chosen one. she carried all liabilities and no assets. the Democratic platform didn't even appeal to many Democrats because it was and is too far leaning
why is it the Dems will now support pro life candidates... that's a rhetorical question.

Its long overdue that this nation come together for our own sake

Personal Best Regards:

[mellincf]

Like Hillary herself ,progressive seem to be placing blame and making excuses anywhere and everywhere they can because they cannot accept that Hillary was an awful candidate. Again even Bernie the socialist was beating her until the DNC stepped in and on the poor guy.

Only the coastal cities voted for Hillary.

More importantly grasshopper, you misinform about the reason for the Electoral College. The Electoral College wasn't created because people could not count the popular vote. It was created to protect the minority view so that states with larger populations such as California with more people could not infringe on the rights/views/votes of people in South Dakota with a smaller population.

All one has to do is recall what has been happening in California in the last year or so and recognize the wisdom of the Electoral College. Does anyone believe that the rest of the country thinks and behaves as does California?

The Democratic Party should not have anointed Hillary as the chosen one. she carried all liabilities and no assets. the Democratic platform didn't even appeal to many Democrats because it was and is too far leaning
why is it the Dems will now support pro life candidates... that's a rhetorical question.

Its long overdue that this nation come together for our own sake

Personal Best Regards: California wasn't even on the radar for another 70 years, South Dakota for another 80 years. Do you really think the Founders even knew the extent of the continent? Geez, read a history book. Lewis and Clark - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/topics/lewis-and-clark)

[CowBubba]

I don't have a problem with Hillary loosing but I am sickened that trump beat out some wonderful republicans. I had and still have him in the bottom two of all the candidates.

[Don Baldwin]

The elector can vote any way they choose...so what does that tell you about your "vote"?

[rubicon]

California wasn't even on the radar for another 70 years, South Dakota for another 80 years. Do you really think the Founders even knew the extent of the continent? Geez, read a history book. Lewis and Clark - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/topics/lewis-and-clark)

Whoa there grasshopper I was speaking to the founders intentions. The founders recognized the fallacy and dangers of a democracy and so they crafted the US Constitution and in particular The Bill of Rights so that a majority could never circumvent their intent of freedom for all. I used today's populations in California and South Dakota to emphasis exactly how prescient and precise the founder were in their creation of our Articles of Freedom.

Educators long ago stopped teaching students about government. a vast majority of people in this nation continue to believe that the majority rules. it is because of this ignorance that we continue to lose our freedoms
the founders strove for freedoms and freedoms were interpreted to be for the individual and not the group.

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

“Individual rights are not subject to a public vote.”

Despite our founders’ antipathy toward pure majority rule, many today feel that our founders’ opposition to unlimited democracy can be squared with political determination of everything by adding the phrase, “also protecting the rights of the minority.” However, as Ayn Rand put it, “Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by minorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual).” Consequently, our lack of Constitutional knowledge means that believing in protecting the rights of minorities does not actually protect them when they are outvoted.

Since Americans don’t clearly understand their constitutional rights against government abuse, the unwise habit of deference to political majorities results in those rights being steamrollered whenever more than 50 percent vote to do so. Examples are plentiful because—despite the Constitution’s imposition of strictly limited, enumerated federal powers—there is no area it does not now reach, if not dominate. And with our protections eroding, majority voting controls more and more of what our founders thought they had made off-limits to political determination.

Sadly, as we can’t effectively defend what we are only vaguely aware of, American inattention to the highest law of the land puts our most essential rights and liberties at risk. We may think we have inalienable rights, as the Declaration of Independence asserts. But those rights are protected by the Constitution only if we know what they are and we remember that the federal government was not granted power to take them away based on any simple majority vote. Unless we once again take our rights as seriously as our founders and vigorously defend the Constitutional safeguards that maintain them—even against majority pressures—the system of self-government our founders left us will continue to erode. But when we don’t even recognize the irony of a federal mandate to promote understanding of the Constitution, especially when it is inconsistent with the Constitution, we are unprepared to do anything to effectively preserve its protections against government abuse.

–Gary M. Galles is a professor of economics at Pepperdine University.

Personal Best Regards:

[JGVillages]

I don't have a problem with Hillary loosing but I am sickened that trump beat out some wonderful republicans. I had and still have him in the bottom two of all the candidates.

Most of your "competitive" wonderful candidates were, and are part of our Congressional swamp that has a 15% approval rating. Yes that means 85% disapproval!

[Don Baldwin]

Most of your "competitive" wonderful candidates were, and are part of our Congressional swamp that has a 15% approval rating. Yes that means 85% disapproval!

EVERY D or R is corrupt...some are just better liars...better actors.

[CowBubba]

Most of your "competitive" wonderful candidates were, and are part of our Congressional swamp that has a 15% approval rating. Yes that means 85% disapproval!

EVERY D or R is corrupt...some are just better liars...better actors.

Agree, so why elect the biggest idiot in the field. Trump is vulgar, dangerous and his base is filled with racists, homophobes, antiseptics, KKK, NEONAZI groups. Remove these horrible groups and you have very few left.

[rubicon]

Agree, so why elect the biggest idiot in the field. Trump is vulgar, dangerous and his base is filled with racists, homophobes, antiseptics, KKK, NEONAZI groups. Remove these horrible groups and you have very few left.

Aside of your opinion of what you think Trump is how when where why etc has Trump been dangerous etc.

he wants control of the immigration situation in this nation.

He made it clear that his tax policies will aimed at the middle class and not the 1%.
He is strong on foreign policy

He will not backed down from a leader with a Napoleon complex

He is unraveling regulations that have strangled businesses.

He is recognizes our potential as a great exporter of energy.

He has proven he is willing to work with the Democrats.

The truth is progressives can't handle the truth

Personal Best Regards:

[CowBubba]

Aside of your opinion of what you think Trump is how when where why etc has Trump been dangerous etc.

he wants control of the immigration situation in this nation.

He made it clear that his tax policies will aimed at the middle class and not the 1%.
He is strong on foreign policy

He will not backed down from a leader with a Napoleon complex

He is unraveling regulations that have strangled businesses.

He is recognizes our potential as a great exporter of energy.

He has proven he is willing to work with the Democrats.

The truth is progressives can't handle the truth

Personal Best Regards:

True, and it would be a wonderful improvement if this was Cuba or North Korea, but this is America. Trump is dangerous to brown skin Americans and members of the LGBT community and is a danger to our sovereignty as a democracy. It is sweet that white Christians love this pervert, but you see honey, AMERICA IS NOT A WHITE ONLY CHRISTIAN NATION! You will have to kill 200 million non white non Christians or learn to live with us.
Before you raise your gun barrel to me, remember, you are the minority.

With Love,

[Don Baldwin]

True, and it would be a wonderful improvement if this was Cuba or North Korea, but this is America. Trump is dangerous to brown skin Americans and members of the LGBT community and is a danger to our sovereignty as a democracy. It is sweet that white Christians love this pervert, but you see honey, AMERICA IS NOT A WHITE ONLY CHRISTIAN NATION! You will have to kill 200 million non white non Christians or learn to live with us.
Before you raise your gun barrel to me, remember, you are the minority.

With Love,

This is what they've wanted all along...inferior...but having enough of a population to call the shots politically. Getting their way. Revenge of the losers.

It'll work out real well...just like all the other times a white majority/ white run country or a colony turned brown...was given up/back. WHO do you think the Hispanics are? Mostly Spanish? NO...they're the Native Indians of the C and S Americas with LITTLE Spanish blood. Another group of cave men. Those tribes they find in Brazil that have had no contact with modern people...they are cavemen, no metal, no written language, maybe no wheel...THIS is what we try to "Equalize" and bring into a modern society that is 50,000 years of evolution above them.

Bringing in 3rd worlders brings the country DOWN...it doesn't make it better. It's like bringing in a retarded child to a classroom...at first it's OK, everyone learns from each other. That was the attitude in the the 1960s. As the years went on..more and more retarded children are brought into the classroom until it reaches the point where MORE than half of the students are retarded. Things STOP working at that time. That is now...the 2010s. Only we did it with minorities...they are the retarded kids who became the majority.

[CowBubba]

This is what they've wanted all along...inferior...but having enough of a population to call the shots politically. Getting their way. Revenge of the losers.

It'll work out real well...just like all the other times a white majority/ white run country or a colony turned brown...was given up/back. WHO do you think the Hispanics are? Mostly Spanish? NO...they're the Native Indians of the C and S Americas with LITTLE Spanish blood. Another group of cave men. Those tribes they find in Brazil that have had no contact with modern people...they are cavemen, no metal, no written language, maybe no wheel...THIS is what we try to "Equalize" and bring into a modern society that is 50,000 years of evolution above them.

Bringing in 3rd worlders brings the country DOWN...it doesn't make it better. It's like bringing in a retarded child to a classroom...at first it's OK, everyone learns from each other. That was the attitude in the the 1960s. As the years went on..more and more retarded children are brought into the classroom until it reaches the point where MORE than half of the students are retarded. Things STOP working at that time. That is now...the 2010s. Only we did it with minorities...they are the retarded kids who became the majority.

1. You are a sick SOB.
2. Get used to it or leave.

[Taltarzac725]

This is what they've wanted all along...inferior...but having enough of a population to call the shots politically. Getting their way. Revenge of the losers.

It'll work out real well...just like all the other times a white majority/ white run country or a colony turned brown...was given up/back. WHO do you think the Hispanics are? Mostly Spanish? NO...they're the Native Indians of the C and S Americas with LITTLE Spanish blood. Another group of cave men. Those tribes they find in Brazil that have had no contact with modern people...they are cavemen, no metal, no written language, maybe no wheel...THIS is what we try to "Equalize" and bring into a modern society that is 50,000 years of evolution above them.

Bringing in 3rd worlders brings the country DOWN...it doesn't make it better. It's like bringing in a retarded child to a classroom...at first it's OK, everyone learns from each other. That was the attitude in the the 1960s. As the years went on..more and more retarded children are brought into the classroom until it reaches the point where MORE than half of the students are retarded. Things STOP working at that time. That is now...the 2010s. Only we did it with minorities...they are the retarded kids who became the majority.

Most of your posts Don Baldwin lack intelligence, compassion and any kind of maturity. Nor are they the least bit logical. Unless it is the logic of some KKK Clan Member or Nazi enthusiast.

[Don Baldwin]

Most of your posts Don Baldwin lack intelligence, compassion and any kind of maturity. Nor are they the least bit logical. Unless it is the logic of some KKK Clan Member or Nazi enthusiast.

Name ONE formerly white or former colony that after gaining black independent control...flourished.

Come on Cow and Tal...name the black successes.

[Bog99]

Liberalism
is
a
mirror
gazing
religion
of
conceit.

[Bog99]

"The Magic Sentences Of Liberty"

"Liberty" is a poetic term for property rights.

Therefore there are only two kind of laws:

Type 1) those that protect property rights,
Type 2) and those that attack property rights <--- where fascism lives

"Have the government do unto others and their property as you'd have the government do unto you, and your property."

(We can eliminate 90% of the cr*p and conflict we call politics with first principles of Liberty.)

[wjboyer1]

"The Magic Sentences Of Liberty"

"Liberty" is a poetic term for property rights.


hmmm: lib·er·ty
ˈlibərdē/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
"compulsory retirement would interfere with individual liberty"
synonyms: independence, freedom, autonomy, sovereignty, self-government, self-rule, self-determination; More
2.
the power or scope to act as one pleases.
"individuals should enjoy the liberty to pursue their own interests and preferences"
synonyms: freedom, independence, free rein, license, self-determination, free will, latitude
"personal liberty"

"What is liberty, and why is it important? Why do we care about it? The first premise that I offer here is that liberty is an expression of what is valuable about us as human beings. It is a natural law idea; that is to say, it is a moral imperative based on what is fundamental (another moral idea) about our human nature."http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol29_No1_Fried.pdf


Therefore there are only two kind of laws:

Type 1) those that protect property rights,
Type 2) and those that attack property rights <--- where fascism lives

A totally ignorant statement since the "kinds of law" are 1) Criminal 2) civil 3) common

"Have the government do unto others and their property as you'd have the government do unto you, and your property."

(We can eliminate 90% of the cr*p and conflict we call politics with first principles of Liberty.)

Pretty confusing statement....have the government do unto you as you would have the government do unto others......quite the circular redundancy

[graciegirl]

True, and it would be a wonderful improvement if this was Cuba or North Korea, but this is America. Trump is dangerous to brown skin Americans and members of the LGBT community and is a danger to our sovereignty as a democracy. It is sweet that white Christians love this pervert, but you see honey, AMERICA IS NOT A WHITE ONLY CHRISTIAN NATION! You will have to kill 200 million non white non Christians or learn to live with us.
Before you raise your gun barrel to me, remember, you are the minority.

With Love,

With Love, That salutation was used a lot on Topix.

BubbaLou?

[Bog99]

hmmm: lib·er·ty
ˈlibərdē/Submit
noun
1.
the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.
"compulsory retirement would interfere with individual liberty"
synonyms: independence, freedom, autonomy, sovereignty, self-government, self-rule, self-determination; More
2.
the power or scope to act as one pleases.
"individuals should enjoy the liberty to pursue their own interests and preferences"
synonyms: freedom, independence, free rein, license, self-determination, free will, latitude
"personal liberty"

"What is liberty, and why is it important? Why do we care about it? The first premise that I offer here is that liberty is an expression of what is valuable about us as human beings. It is a natural law idea; that is to say, it is a moral imperative based on what is fundamental (another moral idea) about our human nature."http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol29_No1_Fried.pdf




A totally ignorant statement since the "kinds of law" are 1) Criminal 2) civil 3) common



Pretty confusing statement....have the government do unto you as you would have the government do unto others......quite the circular redundancy



1) You're still in the touchy-feely poetic fog about the definition of liberty (a characteristic cop-out of Femo-Fascist manipulation and bombast).

2) You transparently misquoted the application of the Golden Rule to government. It's not rocket science, but since you're displaying the thickness of mental foot-dragging, interpret it as "whatever Type 2 law you want to inflict on somebody, ask yourself if you would like to have that Type 2 property attack inflicted on YOU." (Most Femo-Fascists are disgusting liars, but I have faith you can answer that honestly.)

[Don Baldwin]

1) You're still in the touchy-feely poetic fog about the definition of liberty (a characteristic cop-out of Femo-Fascist manipulation and bombast).

2) You transparently misquoted the application of the Golden Rule to government. It's not rocket science, but since you're displaying the thickness of mental foot-dragging, interpret it as "whatever Type 2 law you want to inflict on somebody, ask yourself if you would like to have that Type 2 property attack inflicted on YOU." (Most Femo-Fascists are disgusting liars, but I have faith you can answer that honestly.)

Liberals...most...don't own anything...because they don't work for anything.

[Bog99]

Liberals...most...don't own anything...because they don't work for anything.

Yes -- Property rights are an enigma to women because they have a claim on their husband's property ("community property") in the spousal relationship.

After that it's a small jump to claiming property of the taxpayer -- hence the screwed up mess we're in.

Moral of the story: the Constitution needs an overhaul, starting with repeal of the 17th Amendment (popular election of senators -- e.g. that disgusting John McCain.)

"No State Legislature is going to send a megalomaniac psychopath like Hillary Clinton to Washington, who the turns around and has the Federal Government start bossing the States around."

[Don Baldwin]

Yes -- Property rights are an enigma to women because they have a claim on their husband's property ("community property") in the spousal relationship.

After that it's a small jump to claiming property of the taxpayer -- hence the screwed up mess we're in.

Moral of the story: the Constitution needs an overhaul, starting with repeal of the 17th Amendment (popular election of senators -- e.g. that disgusting John McCain.)

"No State Legislature is going to send a megalomaniac psychopath like Hillary Clinton to Washington, who the turns around and has the Federal Government start bossing the States around."

They (the real rulers, the ultra wealthy/powerful) USE the women...emotions...to ultimately take EVERYONE'S property. Men won't give it up...so they use women who WILL give up individual private property for "security and safety for all".