Bush Blamed for Olympic 2016 Loss

[Guest]

It didn't take long for the liberal lemmings to blame President Bush for the Obamas failed effort in Copenhagen. Given the speed of the reaction Democratic Illinois Senator Rowland Burris , you know the guy that bought the seat in Chicago, sped to a microphone to pronounce the inability to deliver the fault of President Bush. The shear speed of the response suggests it had to be a canned blame Bush reprise. Blaming Bush for Obama's failures is an accurate reflection of the unimaginative, stale, sterile, lack luster, liberal leadership occupying seats in the People's House and Congress in Washington.

[Guest]

"...the unimaginative, stale, sterile, lack luster, liberal leadership occupying seats in the People's House and Congress in Washington..."

btk

[Guest]

Yes I watched Roland Burris make an ass of himself on TV. I see that he and Jesse Jackson JR are watchdog list of 15 most corrupt politicians in USA.
When I heard the news that Chicago had lost I called several friends and we will be going to a local watering hole to celebrate . I can't tell you just how pleased I am to see the Crooks from Crook county can't get their greedy paws on more money they will steal. What a go Rio
Perhaps the politicos can get back to fixing many of the problems facing Chi town.
Blame it on BUSH where have we heard that before?:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Guest]

Yes I watched Roland Burris make an ass of himself on TV. I see that he and Jesse Jackson JR are watchdog list of 15 most corrupt politicians in USA.
When I heard the news that Chicago had lost I called several friends and we will be going to a local watering hole to celebrate . I can't tell you just how pleased I am to see the Crooks from Crook county can't get their greedy paws on more money they will steal. What a go Rio
Perhaps the politicos can get back to fixing many of the problems facing Chi town.
Blame it on BUSH where have we heard that before?:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I believe what Burris said was wrong wrong wrong. I dont think anyone is really to blame that the U.S. did not get the Olympics, I think it was more about giving the Southern Countries a chance. I do believe that by celebrating the loss to Chicago hurts the General Population not the ones you are aiming at. Isn't your remarks a little bit Politically biased????

[Guest]

I believe what Burris said was wrong wrong wrong. I dont think anyone is really to blame that the U.S. did not get the Olympics, I think it was more about giving the Southern Countries a chance. I do believe that by celebrating the loss to Chicago hurts the General Population not the ones you are aiming at. Isn't your remarks a little bit Politically biased????

More Chicago residents were against the Olympics than there for the Olympics. Hell they wanted to buid the 80,000 seat staium in Lincoln Park only to tear it down after the Olympics. I think the IOC made a brilliant choice. I thought this was the Polital Forum. DUH :clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Guest]

Anyone who did not favor Chicago getting the Olympics was demonstrating the deep seated racism that is the curse of this world. :faint: Obviously the Olympic Committee is controlled by white Europeans who are uncomfortable with the most powerful and most popular man in the world :super: being black. :boxing2: Obviously the voting was fixed, since Chicago got only 19 votes in the first round. :throwtomatoes: The ACORN representatives alone cast 47 votes for Chicago! :cryin2:






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[Guest]

Anyone who did not favor Chicago getting the Olympics was demonstrating the deep seated racism that is the curse of this world. :faint: Obviously the Olympic Committee is controlled by white Europeans who are uncomfortable with the most powerful and most popular man in the world :super: being black. :boxing2: Obviously the voting was fixed, since Chicago got only 19 votes in the first round. :throwtomatoes: The ACORN representatives alone cast 47 votes for Chicago! :cryin2
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Muncle,
Are you the closet speech writer for Pelosi? :mademyday:

[Guest]

It didn't take long for the liberal lemmings to blame President Bush for the Obamas failed effort in Copenhagen. Given the speed of the reaction Democratic Illinois Senator Rowland Burris , you know the guy that bought the seat in Chicago, sped to a microphone to pronounce the inability to deliver the fault of President Bush. The shear speed of the response suggests it had to be a canned blame Bush reprise. Blaming Bush for Obama's failures is an accurate reflection of the unimaginative, stale, sterile, lack luster, liberal leadership occupying seats in the People's House and Congress in Washington.

Burris.....gives the Democratic party a bad name. Good thing he isn't running for re-election. But then again he wasn't elected.

[Guest]

Muncle,
Are you the closet speech writer for Pelosi? :mademyday:

Actually it is sad....the older Mayor Daly would have found a way to payoff the committee. You heard about the old women who wanted to be buried in Chicago, just so she could remain active in politics.

[Guest]

Anyone who did not favor Chicago getting the Olympics was demonstrating the deep seated racism that is the curse of this world. :faint: Obviously the Olympic Committee is controlled by white Europeans who are uncomfortable with the most powerful and most popular man in the world :super: being black. :boxing2: Obviously the voting was fixed, since Chicago got only 19 votes in the first round. :throwtomatoes: The ACORN representatives alone cast 47 votes for Chicago! :cryin2:






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Muncle you and the IOC made my day.
:mademyday::mademyday::mademyday:

[Guest]

The olympics, while a big deal, are simply a symptom of what is happening with this Presidency.

He is a rock star...a great speaker..and folks are beginning to treat him like the "empty suit" he has been called. I, while I opposed and still do oppose his domestic agenda totally, am hoping that he snaps out of this rock star image with no substance.

He promised to engage this countries enemies and we will be talking with Iran as announced this week, SOMETHING THAT IRAN HAS WANTED FOR YEARS

He scrapped the missle defense system in hopes that maybe Russia and China would then favor sanctions to Iran...they have not budged on that !

He announced an Afghan strategy 6 months ago, and while it is smart at times to revisit, he is leaving his generals hanging out to dry while he changes his mind after 6 months on a war that at the time he said was a worthy war !

He stopped calling the war on terror, the war on terror...and those in Gtmo are not called terrorists anymore, HOWEVER, I am linking to an article written today by Cal Thomas which exposes why it is taking so long to get Gtmo closed. It seems that the "terrorists" that are there, are actually terrorists and they are having trouble placing them anywhere in the world. This administration calls these terrorists refugees and they have received so much sympathy from so many in this country but when you tear back the wrappings...there are terrorists, plain and simple.

"Thomas: Dig a little and it's clear Gitmo detainees pose a grave threat"

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/2224844.html

Please Mr President, wake up and become our President...we dont need anymore rock stars on tv several times each day just talking.

[Guest]

What a small minded, sad little group of people you are to be happy that AMERICA did not get the Olympics. Sigh. :ohdear:

BTW, have any of you actually been to Chicago? It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Politics aside, you are dumping on some of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet, just to say something hateful about your President. I'm very proud to be from Chicago. Mayor Daily is 1000% for his citizens. Burris is an ass and not beloved in Chi at all. I did not hear what he said, but if he's blaming Bush... that's just plain ridiculous.

So, if all you know of Chicago is what you've read in some podunk little newspaper, remember EVERY city and town has it's element of corruption.

And, sweeties, quite frankly, if you haven't lived in Chicago... You haven't lived!:boxing2:

[Guest]

Think about it. Why would anyone want to give the Olympics to the USA after Obama traveled around the world apologizing and putting down the USA.

When does he EVER say good things about the USA to the international communities?

It's one more failure just like the rest of his policies.

[Guest]

And, sweeties, quite frankly, if you haven't lived in Chicago... You haven't lived!:boxing2:

Does doing some undergrad work at Northwestern in Evanston (circa 60's) count? I remember a neat watering hole in Skokie where all the bartenders were magicians. Can't remember the name, but, would if I heard it. Anybody know it?

It would have been noble for the President to push for Detroit where they really could have used the economic and redevelopment boost instead of playing political favoritism and patronage games with the Daley machine. It could have created jobs and redevelopment opportunity for arguably the most heavily devastated and unemployment challenged urban area in the country. He would have had my support for his efforts.

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What a small minded, sad little group of people you are to be happy that AMERICA did not get the Olympics. Sigh. :ohdear:

BTW, have any of you actually been to Chicago? It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Politics aside, you are dumping on some of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet, just to say something hateful about your President. I'm very proud to be from Chicago. Mayor Daily is 1000% for his citizens. Burris is an ass and not beloved in Chi at all. I did not hear what he said, but if he's blaming Bush... that's just plain ridiculous.

So, if all you know of Chicago is what you've read in some podunk little newspaper, remember EVERY city and town has it's element of corruption.

And, sweeties, quite frankly, if you haven't lived in Chicago... You haven't lived!:boxing2:

It was not just Burris....the Chicago Sun Times has an editorial today that talks about how it was lost because Obama was unable to turn around the USA image which Jessie Jackson is quoted as saying basically the same thing, and as the days go on I can assure you there will be more of this !

[Guest]

What a small minded, sad little group of people you are to be happy that AMERICA did not get the Olympics. Sigh. :ohdear:

BTW, have any of you actually been to Chicago? It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Politics aside, you are dumping on some of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet, just to say something hateful about your President. I'm very proud to be from Chicago. Mayor Daily is 1000% for his citizens. Burris is an ass and not beloved in Chi at all. I did not hear what he said, but if he's blaming Bush... that's just plain ridiculous.

So, if all you know of Chicago is what you've read in some podunk little newspaper, remember EVERY city and town has it's element of corruption.

And, sweeties, quite frankly, if you haven't lived in Chicago... You haven't lived!:boxing2:

With all due respect and your snide comments aside, from my perspective that "small minded, sad little group of people" that you lovingly refer to is not "happy that AMERICA did not get the Olympics" because of Chicago, but the arrogance once again displayed by our President.

When Tony Blair did the work for London and the 2012 Olympics, he spent days there talking and meeting with the folks that he had to convince. Our President, who more and more is acting like a rock star instead of a President, flew in and spoke......and by the way, it is reported that his speech was biographical in nature, in other words PERSONAL...and that that his mere showing up would clinch the deal.

It does not work that way in the real world, whether you like it or not.

Those who you sarcastically go after just want our President to be the President and instead of all the tv appearances, the rock star atttidue...attack the issues like Iran, Afghanastan, etc.

I sure do not criticize him for trying to get the olympics, but it sure seemed like a bad time (Afghanastan for example) to try and do what he did however but folks can sense when you feel that your presence alone is sufficient.

Maybe, just maybe, if the President and his wife had not spoken about THEMSELVES and more about the country the vote would have been different, however I dont think even that would have helped !

[Guest]

:agree: To think that BHO could make a quick 4 hour stop to close a business deal on the Olympics because he is the POTUS blows my mind. I have to also agree with the media on his arrival to Copenhagen when they said... "The Ego has landed!" And how much did this trip cost taxpayers and how big of a carbon footprint did he leave in his wake? When we got the lowest amount of votes, I was so embarrassed. He needs to wake up!

[Guest]

What a small minded, sad little group of people you are to be happy that AMERICA did not get the Olympics. Sigh. :ohdear:

BTW, have any of you actually been to Chicago? It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Politics aside, you are dumping on some of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet, just to say something hateful about your President. I'm very proud to be from Chicago. Mayor Daily is 1000% for his citizens. Burris is an ass and not beloved in Chi at all. I did not hear what he said, but if he's blaming Bush... that's just plain ridiculous.

So, if all you know of Chicago is what you've read in some podunk little newspaper, remember EVERY city and town has it's element of corruption.

And, sweeties, quite frankly, if you haven't lived in Chicago... You haven't lived!:boxing2:

Chels:

I for one did not say anything bad against the people of Chicago. I am there at least 6 times a year and I do enjoy the lakefront and restaurants along with Navy Pier. I do NOT like the politicians of CROOK county. Do not like all the taxes from bottled water to parking. I used to take my boat there and dock for a day, it is now cost prohibitive.
The last survey I saw the people of Chicago were 65% against the Olympics. I believe they too were getting tired of the Politicos. Last night evening news they had surveys If they wanted 2010 Olympics . Survey was 75% against another try.
Bucco is correct. Obama and Oprah thought they had the votes, I'm glad the IOC voted as they did. It was funny to see Burris blame Bush for their loss.
I was surprised that PALIN was also not mentioned.:icon_wink::icon_wink:

[Guest]

in England did an editorial strictly aimed at the current US President and his short comings to date. The article gave him good grades for eloquence and a "failing" grade for accomplishment. It went into detail about his speeches outside the US promising what was to happen with no results.

One thing I came to appreciate while in Europe (and desperately miss) is the Europeans candor. Their thought process is not clouded by the interruption of reality by political correctness....as we are here in the USA. They say what they think.....quite refreshing. They also (like a lot of us here in the US) that when the head of the country gets up on the stage and pontificates what will happen.....they are really wierd....they expect it to happen.

I find that the non USA editorial from around the world to be much more informative than the puppeteer media of the USA. Try it. You will see a huge difference of opinion. The other aspect many will not like is they do not go back in time to recalibrate a current event in terms of somebody elses watch. The current administration owns it from day one.

Anyway my pitch for this mornings round.

Does anybody think Nancy and her "gang" won't try to use they majority vote (if they can get one) to pass what ever they want in the name of health care reform......or if only Olympia Snow does fall in their direction that they won't crow about how bi-partisan they are. That too may be legal but it sure ain't representative democracy!!!

btk

[Guest]

What a small minded, sad little group of people you are to be happy that AMERICA did not get the Olympics. Sigh. :ohdear:

BTW, have any of you actually been to Chicago? It's one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Politics aside, you are dumping on some of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet, just to say something hateful about your President. I'm very proud to be from Chicago. Mayor Daily is 1000% for his citizens. Burris is an ass and not beloved in Chi at all. I did not hear what he said, but if he's blaming Bush... that's just plain ridiculous.

So, if all you know of Chicago is what you've read in some podunk little newspaper, remember EVERY city and town has it's element of corruption.

And, sweeties, quite frankly, if you haven't lived in Chicago... You haven't lived!:boxing2:

omg why is it I have to be personal with you all the time?
I have been to Chicago many times. For the most part I have liked Chi. However, today, Chicago is little more than a toilet. I understand that nobody wants to admit that they live in a toilet. Chi is corrupt. It has been for as long as I can remember. Daily is a thug, just as his father before him was a thug.

I would have liked Chicago to get the Olympics but since they did not, I am happy that the games will be held in SA. Don't call me small minded, just honest. Chi sucks. It is not the fault of the people but the fault of the politicians.

Chels, you got to get off the koolaid. It is not good for you at your age.

Yoda

[Guest]

Think about it. Why would anyone want to give the Olympics to the USA after Obama traveled around the world apologizing and putting down the USA.

When does he EVER say good things about the USA to the international communities?

It's one more failure just like the rest of his policies.

So its ok to say that Obama is at fault because he apologized but its NOT ok to say its Bush's fault because he thumbed his nose at the world....

[Guest]

So its ok to say that Obama is at fault because he apologized but its NOT ok to say its Bush's fault because he thumbed his nose at the world....

"...Bush's fault because he thumbed his nose at the world"

This is entirely your opinion, and time will tell if the Obama style of apologizing, and giving in will suceed !

I am totallly opposed to his domestic agenda but willing to give him time and support for a bit on international but thus far I am not impressed in anyway....Iran has gotten what they couldnt get for years...one on one sitdown....after a strategy of 6 months of Afghan strategy, we are about to change and a number of other things bother me a lot.

AND I will continue to call those folks in Gtmo terrorists and not refugees and hope you can do some reading on these wonderful people we have imprisoned there and how well they live !

[Guest]

By the way, in keeping with the theme of this thread...this is from the Chicago Sun Times...

"President Obama could not undo in one year the resentment against America that President Bush and others built up for years, they said."

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/olympics/1804170,CST-NWS-olyresent03.article

[Guest]

It didn't take long for the liberal lemmings to blame President Bush for the Obamas failed effort in Copenhagen. Given the speed of the reaction Democratic Illinois Senator Rowland Burris , you know the guy that bought the seat in Chicago, sped to a microphone to pronounce the inability to deliver the fault of President Bush. The shear speed of the response suggests it had to be a canned blame Bush reprise. Blaming Bush for Obama's failures is an accurate reflection of the unimaginative, stale, sterile, lack luster, liberal leadership occupying seats in the People's House and Congress in Washington.

Obama's only been in office for 10 months. I recall the republicans blaming Clinton for 9/11! Condi and Bush/Cheney had the "strike in America" info and sat on their hands and did nothing. Obama "lost" the Olympics big deal, Bush/Cheney lied and we've wasted, yes wasted, 4600+ lives and billions of dollars on their chickenhawk(none of the architects of this boondoggle served in Viet Nam when they were needed) warmongering and lies/incompetence.

[Guest]

Please tell us what were the lies that Bush and Cheney told the world.

Remember when you list these lies to first look up the definition of a lie to be sure you are not telling a lie yourself.

[Guest]

Obama's only been in office for 10 months. I recall the republicans blaming Clinton for 9/11! Condi and Bush/Cheney had the "strike in America" info and sat on their hands and did nothing. Obama "lost" the Olympics big deal, Bush/Cheney lied and we've wasted, yes wasted, 4600+ lives and billions of dollars on their chickenhawk(none of the architects of this boondoggle served in Viet Nam when they were needed) warmongering and lies/incompetence.

This is where I jump in! 4600 lives WERE NOT WASTED! Driving drunk and dieing is wasted, dieing from a drug overdose is wasted, dieing at the hands of one own parents abuse is wasted, dieing from smoking related cancer is wasted and I could go on and on. A soldier loosing his life in service to his country is NEVER WASTED. It is a loss for sure, no one wants to lose a son, daughter, father, mother, friend, from any cause. To say that our brave soldiers lives were wasted is an affront to their family, friends and country. :censored:

[Guest]

omg why is it I have to be personal with you all the time?
I have been to Chicago many times. For the most part I have liked Chi. However, today, Chicago is little more than a toilet. I understand that nobody wants to admit that they live in a toilet. Chi is corrupt. It has been for as long as I can remember. Daily is a thug, just as his father before him was a thug.

I would have liked Chicago to get the Olympics but since they did not, I am happy that the games will be held in SA. Don't call me small minded, just honest. Chi sucks. It is not the fault of the people but the fault of the politicians.

Chels, you got to get off the koolaid. It is not good for you at your age.

Yoda

Yoda, it's clear I've proven my point. Chicago is filled with diversity, culture and good-will. A few trips there does not an expert make. You know nothing of the lives improved by the Daley's. You know nothing of it's politics. Chicago is far from a "toilet" as you so eloquently put it. Care to share where you're from??? Let's see if we can sniff out any corruption there. FYI... there's corruption in every big city and small town.

[Guest]

Please tell us what were the lies that Bush and Cheney told the world.

Remember when you list these lies to first look up the definition of a lie to be sure you are not telling a lie yourself.


Yellow Cake in Nigeria
Iraq had a Nuclear Program
Iraq was tied to Al Queala
The Iraq War would pay for itself
The Iraq War would be short
Iraq had WDM
We don't Torture


That's a short list

[Guest]

This is where I jump in! 4600 lives WERE NOT WASTED! Driving drunk and dieing is wasted, dieing from a drug overdose is wasted, dieing at the hands of one own parents abuse is wasted, dieing from smoking related cancer is wasted and I could go on and on. A soldier loosing his life in service to his country is NEVER WASTED. It is a loss for sure, no one wants to lose a son, daughter, father, mother, friend, from any cause. To say that our brave soldiers lives were wasted is an affront to their family, friends and country. :censored:

I agree the word WASTED is an unfortunate choice. However, as an Aunt of now 3 nephews in the military....Marines, Army and Navy. And the Aunt of a Purple Heart recipient I would have preferred his life be put a risk to defend the USA not to nation build. And certainly not because the VP was ****ed off that the job hadn't been finished the first time.

My nephew's service should not be diminished in any way by the conflict in which he served.

[Guest]

Personally I don't really give a crap about the Olympics anyway but more importantly I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of us either.

I'd rather have them not like us rather than roll over us which is what's going to happen under Obama. They might not have liked us under Bush but that's better than being viewed as a weak kneed joke under Obama. Obama is weak and they know it.

Let's see, who was it that saved most of Europe in WWII? Who gives billions and billions of dollars to other countries? Who sheds most of the blood when other countries need help? Who's doctors travel around the world helping others who don't have access to specialized care? For free!

Another interesting fact. The UK, Germany, and others seem to have a resurgence of conservatism in their governments. Look who's winning the elections over there.

[Guest]

I agree the word WASTED is an unfortunate choice. However, as an Aunt of now 3 nephews in the military....Marines, Army and Navy. And the Aunt of a Purple Heart recipient I would have preferred his life be put a risk to defend the USA not to nation build. And certainly not because the VP was ****ed off that the job hadn't been finished the first time.

My nephew's service should not be diminished in any way by the conflict in which he served.

I am proud of your nephews, for their service and sacrifice to our country.

That being said, when one joins the service one is subject to the Commander in Chiefs orders. You don't get to pick whether or not you like where or why you are sent, only to serve the Country as ordered. The military way.

YOU may not prefer the reasons they are at risk, no one wants their friends or family in harms way, but ask THEM their emotions on their service to America. I'll bet they are proud of their service, feel that they are contributing to the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan and that they feel that they are protecting their family's safety at home. Heaven forbid that any of them is harmed, but if they are look beyond their sacrifice as being wasted, but as the fighters that keep the world a free from evil.

[Guest]

"...the unimaginative, stale, sterile, lack luster, liberal leadership occupying seats in the People's House and Congress in Washington..."

btk
You guys use the eagle beak (also known as a pecker) (peck, peck went the chicken).

Glen Beck uses that same icon on his show. Followers of Glen Beck could correctly be called, "Beckers"

So if a follower of Glenn Beck can be rightly called called a "Becker" doesn't that make his followers who also use his "beak head" mascot, "Becker's Peckers"? And how would a "tea-******" feel about a "pecker" snuggling up to him at a rally....

[Guest]

from cabo35's post.

And then to jump shift from that to Glenn Beck to remain polite is kinda bizare.

How about discussing the issue of the thread? The fact that....both parties....have incumbents who on a good day be can only be described using cabo35's descriptives.

Anybody with a heartbeat (both parties) know the ineffectiveness of our Congress' incumbents. It is a bonafide national ground swell with increasing support (both parties).

One could misinterpret your commentary to reflect being in favor of congress' effectiveness (for most of us that would be the ineffectiveness!).

We all recognize it is your privledge to have your opinion about Beck or anybody or anything else.

However, the issue of the thread, once again, is side stepped and instead is belabored by a catharsis that has zero contributed value to the subject at hand. That is my humble opinion.

btk

[Guest]

Beck is not a Democrat.

When Democrats do not want Beck to say what he says they seem to be of the opinion that you must be a Democrat if you want freedom to speak your mind.

P.S. Beck is not a republican either.

[Guest]

You guys use the eagle beak (also known as a pecker) (peck, peck went the chicken).

And how would a "tea-******" feel about a "pecker" snuggling up to him at a rally....


Your fascination with beaks, peckers and tea-******* is odd. Your ad hominem insults to those who use the American bald eagle as an icon speaks to the distinctive lack of class your words convey as well as the contempt you hold for those who don't share your perspective. What happened to the tolerance you once professed in one of your early posts?

The American eagle became the centerpiece of the Great Seal of the United States in 1782 It was officially designate as the National Emblem in 1787. The eagle stands for the spirit of liberty and freedom so many have sacrificed so much for. The people I served with would treat disrespecting the eagle, our national emblem, with the same disdain as someone who desecrated an American flag. Most patriots would as well.

If you look very closely, you would see I chose to use the symbol of the "crying eagle" for my icon. Sometimes, because of technical anomalies connected with this site, the flowing tears don't always show. I selected it because it expressed and symbolized my belief in the insidious erosion of the liberty and freedom our proud national emblem stands for.

Your tasteless rant not withstanding, and with support for your right to act out in demeaning, disrespectful expressions .....I will use the eagle with pride, and hope for our country's return to our founding principles. God bless America.

[Guest]

I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?

[Guest]

It has been said that another major reason the U.S. was not a contender for the Olympics was because of our very tight security for foreigners entering the country. We had many pluses, including a transit system already in place, as well as many buildings in place, etc. that could be used for the events. Now Rio will be forking out a lot of money to improve their infrastructure. I wouldn't blame Obama totally for this loss, but I'm sure his ego felt stepped on. My mother used to say "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." I give him a lot of credit for trying to create jobs here. It just looked like it was So. America's turn to host this event.

[Guest]

Your fascination with beaks, peckers and tea-******* is odd. Your ad hominem insults to those who use the American bald eagle as an icon speaks to the distinctive lack of class your words convey as well as the contempt you hold for those who don't share your perspective. What happened to the tolerance you once professed in one of your early posts?

The American eagle became the centerpiece of the Great Seal of the United States in 1782 It was officially designate as the National Emblem in 1787. The eagle stands for the spirit of liberty and freedom so many have sacrificed so much for. The people I served with would treat disrespecting the eagle, our national emblem, with the same disdain as someone who desecrated an American flag. Most patriots would as well.

If you look very closely, you would see I chose to use the symbol of the "crying eagle" for my icon. Sometimes, because of technical anomalies connected with this site, the flowing tears don't always show. I selected it because it expressed and symbolized my belief in the insidious erosion of the liberty and freedom our proud national emblem stands for.

Your tasteless rant not withstanding, and with support for your right to act out in demeaning, disrespectful expressions .....I will use the eagle with pride, and hope for our country's return to our founding principles. God bless America.

Thank you. Wonderfully spoken.

[Guest]

I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?


You will NEVER get an answer to your question !!!

This statement about lies has been repeated so much that those who repeat it have made it a fact. It is revisionist history coupled with Monday morning quarterbacking !!!

[Guest]

I am proud of your nephews, for their service and sacrifice to our country.

That being said, when one joins the service one is subject to the Commander in Chiefs orders. You don't get to pick whether or not you like where or why you are sent, only to serve the Country as ordered. The military way.

YOU may not prefer the reasons they are at risk, no one wants their friends or family in harms way, but ask THEM their emotions on their service to America. I'll bet they are proud of their service, feel that they are contributing to the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan and that they feel that they are protecting their family's safety at home. Heaven forbid that any of them is harmed, but if they are look beyond their sacrifice as being wasted, but as the fighters that keep the world a free from evil.

GNU.... I didn't use the word wasted and I would not. But I do believe that GW Bush really didn't think or care about the troops. (I can hear the incoming now)....One only has to look at the adminstrations policy's towards the troops like the GI Bill and funding of the Vets Hospitals to understand that.

It is my opinion that the Commander and Chief should not ask the troops to make the sacrifice if the war in question is NOT in the defense of the USA. In this case, again in my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion this war was NOT.

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GNU.... I didn't use the word wasted and I would not. But I do believe that GW Bush really didn't think or care about the troops. (I can hear the incoming now)....One only has to look at the adminstrations policy's towards the troops like the GI Bill and funding of the Vets Hospitals to understand that.

It is my opinion that the Commander and Chief should not ask the troops to make the sacrifice if the war in question is NOT in the defense of the USA. In this case, again in my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion this war was NOT.

Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?

[Guest]

I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?

The President of the United States of America stood before the American Public and told us that Iraq was trying to obtain Yellow Cake from *****. That was a lie pure and simple. We all now know that what the CIA was telling everyone was simply untrue....so a repeated lie is still a lie. So to answer the question then YES. But I was asked to post the lies I thought GW Bush told and I did.

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Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?

Bucco you clearly need an anger management class. Or at least a chill pill.

This post really is off base.

[Guest]

You will NEVER get an answer to your question !!!

This statement about lies has been repeated so much that those who repeat it have made it a fact. It is revisionist history coupled with Monday morning quarterbacking !!!


It has been said you shouldn't ask a question unless you know the answer...in this case you shouldn't predict something like this cause you know what is coming.

I answered the question directly........

[Guest]

Bucco you clearly need an anger management class. Or at least a chill pill.

This post really is off base.


No chill pill or anger management needed...not angry at all. Just tired of people saying two things you either said or alluded to...

One,that if I (you) dont think it was justified then it was not justified. We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Second, I think those who died and shed blood in lands like Korea would disagree with you. When you say defense of our country, I suppose your definition is if they are climbing on our shores...or you will say present a DIRECT threat to our country. Oh if only life and the world were that simple and we could have Monday morning quarterback skills on Sunday !

[Guest]

The President of the United States of America stood before the American Public and told us that Iraq was trying to obtain Yellow Cake from *****. That was a lie pure and simple. We all now know that what the CIA was telling everyone was simply untrue....so a repeated lie is still a lie. So to answer the question then YES. But I was asked to post the lies I thought GW Bush told and I did.

You and I know that other countries supplied much information to us telling us it was true. Did that information perhaps get blown up a bit...I believe it did. Congress heard the same info that the President heard (from the other countries in the world) AND in addition, this particular situation (yellow cake in Nigeria) was ONE factor. IF it had been necessary to stand alone it would have never survived !

[Guest]

No chill pill or anger management needed...not angry at all. Just tired of people saying two things you either said or alluded to...

One,that if I (you) dont think it was justified then it was not justified. We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Second, I think those who died and shed blood in lands like Korea would disagree with you. When you say defense of our country, I suppose your definition is if they are climbing on our shores...or you will say present a DIRECT threat to our country. Oh if only life and the world were that simple and we could have Monday morning quarterback skills on Sunday !

Jeez....I was what 2 years old during the Korean War and I had 2 brothers in that war.

You are not making any sense.....

[Guest]

You and I know that other countries supplied much information to us telling us it was true. Did that information perhaps get blown up a bit...I believe it did. Congress heard the same info that the President heard (from the other countries in the world) AND in addition, this particular situation (yellow cake in Nigeria) was ONE factor. IF it had been necessary to stand alone it would have never survived !

It was taken out of one speech and then put back into the State of the Union address...

They knew it was wrong.

[Guest]

Jeez....I was what 2 years old during the Korean War and I had 2 brothers in that war.

You are not making any sense.....


Your original comment did not specify Iraq...it was a general statement about war !!!!

[Guest]

Bucco says: We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Funny? When was the last time you gave MAJORITY ELECTED sitting President and Congress the benefit of your very wise observation?

Bucco, and other eagle beaks: were you of those who cheered loudly when the United States of America lost the bid to host the Olympic Games? I saw a bunch of Beckerheads on TV actually cheering the defeat of our nation! WHy Becasue Obama lost.

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for you, ptownrob, to be using any allusion to the eagle with such negative and disrespectful intent.

Your catharses are quickly earning the position of nothing more than rambling agitation.....and aren't you lucky to be in a country that allows you to do so?

btk

[Guest]

Bucco says: We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Funny? When was the last time you gave MAJORITY ELECTED sitting President and Congress the benefit of your very wise observation?

Bucco, and other eagle beaks: were you of those who cheered loudly when the United States of America lost the bid to host the Olympic Games? I saw a bunch of Beckerheads on TV actually cheering the defeat of our nation! WHy Becasue Obama lost.


This is with all due respect, but you need some serious help !!!

Whatever name you want to call me and anyone who disagrees with you if you could somehow overcome your basic hate that is eating you up you will find that in this country the President and Congress together make war..not one person and they do it as elected officials.

Of what you are speaking I have no idea. If you are speaking of my total disagreement with this current WH and congress on social issues, that is my right to do so as you have the right to call others names.

[Guest]

If you are a Socialist meaning you want big government then whenever Obama wins you think the Country wins.

If you are a Capitalist meaning you want smaller interference from the Government then whenever Obama wins you think the Country loses.

Since the USA became the most succeccful Country on Earth with the highest standard of living for the poor and the rich and did it under Capitalism then it follows that those of us who are capitalists would want Obama to fail for the sake of our Country.

[Guest]

Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?

If my memory is correct Mr. Bush consulted with his "father in the sky"(I wonder if the White House has this on tape) rather than his real father who probably would have given him different advice. The 9/11 wackos were also listening to their "father in the sky". I blame congress for not pressing him more strongly given the results so far.

By the way if we add the 40,000 troops to Afghanistan that McChrystal asked for(I hope he has better intel than he had in the Pat Tillman incident) , would all you war supporters on this forum be willing to reup for an indefinite tour? Or why don't we just use the capitalist approach and hire Blackwater and Halliburton do the job.

[Guest]

If my memory is correct Mr. Bush consulted with his "father in the sky"(I wonder if the White House has this on tape) rather than his real father who probably would have given him different advice. The 9/11 wackos were also listening to their "father in the sky". I blame congress for not pressing him more strongly given the results so far.

By the way if we add the 40,000 troops to Afghanistan that McChrystal asked for(I hope he has better intel than he had in the Pat Tillman incident) , would all you war supporters on this forum be willing to reup for an indefinite tour? Or why don't we just use the capitalist approach and hire Blackwater and Halliburton do the job.

The Capitalist approach as you call it doesn't need old veterans like us to join up, there are brave men and women who volunteer daily for the armed services. They recognize the call to arms in support of their nation and willing join knowing that they may be called into harms way. You try to make it seem like a cattle rancher sending beef to the slaughter house, when in actuality these men and woman honor us with there selfless service.

I hope that your enjoying the freedoms that were gained in your behalf by soldiers past. Oh, and also the products of Capitalism that allow you to be able to live your life and spout your nonsense on your computer. Maybe Capitalists would be willing to help you revert to the dark ages buy taking away those nasty things that you use to live by. You wouldn't want them to exercise their Greed producing products for you, would you?

[Guest]

By the way if we add the 40,000 troops to Afghanistan that McChrystal asked for(I hope he has better intel than he had in the Pat Tillman incident) , would all you war supporters on this forum be willing to reup for an indefinite tour? Or why don't we just use the capitalist approach and hire Blackwater and Halliburton do the job.

Vtcyclist

Your post is offensive to all of those who have served this county. My father fought in WWI had after a bullet in list left wrist could no longer perform as a concert violinist – no complaints and no recriminations. My older brother was career Army and served in WWII and Korea. Among his many decorations, a Silver Star and two Purple Hearts - these were not John Kerry Purple Hearts, but rather life threatening wounds. I did not fid out about these until my older son did some research into his uncle’s history. Neither his second wife nor any of his children were told about this by him, but learned from my son.

I was not a career officer, but did serve in Vietnam. I left the service because people like you; Senators McGovern and Church trashed what we had done.

My two sons have both been to Iraq. My older son will go to Afghanistan soon with the Florida National Guard. If you can show me that your family or just you have been committed to this country over the generations, then speak up and show me. If you are one of the many armchair critics, then I suggest you have no idea what you are talking about. Will I go back to war at my age? Get serious. The only thing I could do is endanger the others around me – war is for young men.

I will continue to support not just my sons, but everyone who is willing to put his/her life on the line for this country. Can you say the same? Have you or any member of your family put your ass on the line for America?
Just a few questions.

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My father lost his life in the second World War.

Is that why I am a Capitalist?

Yes probably along with the fact that I believe in GOD have common sense and do not rely on others to take care of me.

a Socialist could never understand this.

[Guest]

The Capitalist approach as you call it doesn't need old veterans like us to join up, there are brave men and women who volunteer daily for the armed services. They recognize the call to arms in support of their nation and willing join knowing that they may be called into harms way. You try to make it seem like a cattle rancher sending beef to the slaughter house, when in actuality these men and woman honor us with there selfless service.

I hope that your enjoying the freedoms that were gained in your behalf by soldiers past. Oh, and also the products of Capitalism that allow you to be able to live your life and spout your nonsense on your computer. Maybe Capitalists would be willing to help you revert to the dark ages buy taking away those nasty things that you use to live by. You wouldn't want them to exercise their Greed producing products for you, would you?

Well said.

God bless our brave troops.

Yoda