Courses Stiil Closed?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Does anyone else find it absurd that all of the golf courses are still closed almost two weeks after the hurricane?

I've driven by several of the executive courses and many look completely playable to me. Why is it that golf courses all around The Villages are open and playable? Is it because they won't open any if all are not ready?

I'd really love to know what's going on.

[graciegirl]

Does anyone else find it absurd that all of the golf courses are still closed almost two weeks after the hurricane?

I've driven by several of the executive courses and many look completely playable to me. Why is it that golf courses all around The Villages are open and playable? Is it because they won't open any if all are not ready?

I'd really love to know what's going on.

Here you are, Kiddo.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/many-not-all-golf-courses-soon-reopen-246885/

ONE of my guesses is that they didn't want any unexpected sinkhole's to harm us.

[dewilson58]

Friday, September 22, 2017 - 12:00 PM

Over the past 2 weeks, the main focus has been to lower the levels of the water storage basins on the golf courses and throughout the community for your overall safety. This has been primarily accomplished by irrigating the golf courses and roadways. The good news is the golf courses performed exactly as designed and engineered by protecting the community from the large volumes of water received from Hurricane Irma.

We are pleased to announce that as of next Wednesday, September 27th we will be opening the following golf courses. As of noon today, you will be able to make a request for these courses in the tee time system for next Wednesday, Thursday, & Friday.

Executive courses: Pimlico, Churchill Greens, Belmont, Bogart, Bacall, Redfish Run, Tarpon Boil, Yankee Clipper, Southern Star, Walnut Grove, Briarwood, De La Vista, Chula Vista, Saddlebrook and Hawkes Bay.

Championship courses: Palmer Legends all 27 holes, Cane Garden all 27 holes, Lopez Legacy 18 holes (Torri Pines and Erinn Glenn), Havana 18 holes (Kenya and Hemingway), Tierra De Sol, Glenview Champions 13 holes (Stirrup Cup and Talley Ho 1-3 & 9) and Mallory Hill 18 holes (Amelia and Virginia).

While we are able to open these courses Wednesday, many areas of the community still have very high water levels and the courses will be needed to continue to lower the basin levels. We will open them as soon as the water levels have returned to normal and the courses are both safe and playable.

Keep in mind, upon re-opening, the courses will be safe and playable. However, in some cases they have sustained significant damage in some areas and are very wet from not only the storm, but the large amount of irrigation they have received in lowering the basins. Please be patient as we continue to work on returning our community’s golf courses to their normal condition.

Please check daily the Daily Sun, GolftheVillages.com, Districtgov.org , VNN or listen to WVLG for updates on reopening of more golf courses.

[CWGUY]

Does anyone else find it absurd that all of the golf courses are still closed almost two weeks after the hurricane?

I've driven by several of the executive courses and many look completely playable to me. Why is it that golf courses all around The Villages are open and playable? Is it because they won't open any if all are not ready?

I'd really love to know what's going on.

:shrug: Why don't you know what is going on? No, seriously, the information is out there. Some of us have posted repeatedly about where to find out things. I can only imagine what it must be like to not know anything. I could not live that way. The District Government has a web site that you help pay for with all the info.many ask about. Why wouldn't you read it?:confused:

[njbchbum]

And how many complaints will be posted on Wednesday re the conditions of the courses that are opened????????

[CWGUY]

And how many complaints will be posted on Wednesday re the conditions of the courses that are opened????????

;) I would like to know what the over/under is on that!:evil6:

[drcar]

Does anyone else find it absurd that all of the golf courses are still closed almost two weeks after the hurricane?

I've driven by several of the executive courses and many look completely playable to me. Why is it that golf courses all around The Villages are open and playable? Is it because they won't open any if all are not ready?

I'd really love to know what's going on.

Sorry what I find absurd is people wondering why the courses are still closed. Does anyone really think that they don't want to open them? There are numerous issues on courses they you do not know about or you can see from the road. One MAJOR difference here compared to outside the villages, is that the courses here are designed to act as flood plains. They did their jobs, I have not heard of any homes being flooded here. And if you are really wondering why some are still closed, drive by Turtle Mound, Evans, Bonifay!

[Topspinmo]

Sorry what I find absurd is people wondering why the courses are still closed. Does anyone really think that they don't want to open them? There are numerous issues on courses they you do not know about or you can see from the road. One MAJOR difference here compared to outside the villages, is that the courses here are designed to act as flood plains. They did their jobs, I have not heard of any homes being flooded here. And if you are really wondering why some are still closed, drive by Turtle Mound, Evans, Bonifay!

Guess you don't count the historical side, imo the main reason there not open is some has to drive within 3 feet of they're golf ball and their safety is at risk cause they can't comprehend STAY WAY from the FLOODED AREA!

[Topspinmo]

Does anyone else find it absurd that all of the golf courses are still closed almost two weeks after the hurricane?

I've driven by several of the executive courses and many look completely playable to me. Why is it that golf courses all around The Villages are open and playable? Is it because they won't open any if all are not ready?

I'd really love to know what's going on.

IMO big difference, outside they have to get the course ready cause there livelyhood depends on it. I sure the championship courses will be first to open? I also think getting approved FEMA monies have delayed the start of the cleanup off and on the courses. IMO overall they doing good job especially if you seen the size of the tree that split across road on the golf course from palmers. That tree was Hugh!

[ColdNoMore]

It will be interesting to see how many courses/holes are 'cart path/rough only'...and how much complaining about it will occur. :popcorn:

[drcar]

Guess you don't count the historical side, imo the main reason there not open is some has to drive within 3 feet of they're golf ball and their safety is at risk cause they can't comprehend STAY WAY from the FLOODED AREA!

I can not comment on the historical side, unlike some people here I don,t comment on what I have not seen. I have heard some of the courses got hit really bad. They, the courses, are working very hard to open all when SAFE and ready.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Friday, September 22, 2017 - 12:00 PM

Over the past 2 weeks, the main focus has been to lower the levels of the water storage basins on the golf courses and throughout the community for your overall safety. This has been primarily accomplished by irrigating the golf courses and roadways. The good news is the golf courses performed exactly as designed and engineered by protecting the community from the large volumes of water received from Hurricane Irma.

We are pleased to announce that as of next Wednesday, September 27th we will be opening the following golf courses. As of noon today, you will be able to make a request for these courses in the tee time system for next Wednesday, Thursday, & Friday.

Executive courses: Pimlico, Churchill Greens, Belmont, Bogart, Bacall, Redfish Run, Tarpon Boil, Yankee Clipper, Southern Star, Walnut Grove, Briarwood, De La Vista, Chula Vista, Saddlebrook and Hawkes Bay.

Championship courses: Palmer Legends all 27 holes, Cane Garden all 27 holes, Lopez Legacy 18 holes (Torri Pines and Erinn Glenn), Havana 18 holes (Kenya and Hemingway), Tierra De Sol, Glenview Champions 13 holes (Stirrup Cup and Talley Ho 1-3 & 9) and Mallory Hill 18 holes (Amelia and Virginia).

While we are able to open these courses Wednesday, many areas of the community still have very high water levels and the courses will be needed to continue to lower the basin levels. We will open them as soon as the water levels have returned to normal and the courses are both safe and playable.

Keep in mind, upon re-opening, the courses will be safe and playable. However, in some cases they have sustained significant damage in some areas and are very wet from not only the storm, but the large amount of irrigation they have received in lowering the basins. Please be patient as we continue to work on returning our community’s golf courses to their normal condition.

Please check daily the Daily Sun, GolftheVillages.com, Districtgov.org , VNN or listen to WVLG for updates on reopening of more golf courses.

Is there any reason why the ponds on the golf courses and elsewhere in The Villages are not being dredged out so that they'll hold more water when we have an abundance of rain? It seems that we go from overflowing ponds to drought conditions in the winter.

Dredging the ponds would allow them to hold water and eliminate the need to close golf courses so that excess water can be expelled through the sprinkler system when the ponds get too full and also more water would be stored for the winter when water gets low.

[drcar]

Is there any reason why the ponds on the golf courses and elsewhere in The Villages are not being dredged out so that they'll hold more water when we have an abundance of rain? It seems that we go from overflowing ponds to drought conditions in the winter.

Dredging the ponds would allow them to hold water and eliminate the need to close golf courses so that excess water can be expelled through the sprinkler system when the ponds get too full and also more water would be stored for the winter when water gets low.

Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.

[JoMar]

Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.

Plus there is a high water table here.....but I'm not an engineer. It's nice to know the folks that designed the courses and the flood plan knew what they were doing. If you are having golf withdrawal there are courses you can play outside the bubble. I'd rather give up a few weeks of golf then put carts out there too early.....and as stated before, listen to the complaining about conditions that will surely come.

[ColdNoMore]

Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.

Yep.

I also can't help but wonder, if the relatively high water table would even allow an increase (regardless of how deep the ponds were)...in how much 'runoff' the ponds could hold. :shrug:






On Edit: JoMar beat me to it. :mad:


:D

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Yes there is a reason, the ponds have liners.

Not that I've ever seen. I've seen several of these ponds go bone dry in the winter time and I've never seen a liner in them.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Not that I've ever seen. I've seen several of these ponds go bone dry in the winter time and I've never seen a liner in them.

Probably because of the settlement on the bottom is several inches thick.......

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Plus there is a high water table here.....but I'm not an engineer. It's nice to know the folks that designed the courses and the flood plan knew what they were doing. If you are having golf withdrawal there are courses you can play outside the bubble. I'd rather give up a few weeks of golf then put carts out there too early.....and as stated before, listen to the complaining about conditions that will surely come.

How high is the water table? Paradise Pond is close to a million square feet. If it dredged out one more foot deep it would hold a tremendous amount more. Even six more inches down would prevent having that cart pat closed in an event like we just had. I honestly don't think the water table has anything to do with it.

As far as withdrawal from golf goes, we pay for golf in our amenity fees. If the golf courses are closed when they possibly could be open, we are paying for something that we're not getting. Can we expect to see a rebate in our amenity fees next month for two weeks that we were unable to take advantage of what we pay for?

Will The Villages pick up the green fees for any rounds that I play outside while these courses are closed?

We had a CAT 1 hurricane go through here which did some minor damage. It is certainly understandable that the golf courses would be closed during the storm and perhaps a day or two afterward for cleanup. But the fact that the ponds were not able to hold the amount of water we got tells me that they are not designed properly.

Hurricanes and heavy rainfall during the summer months should be expected here and should be planned for. It seems that in the five-plus years that I've been here I've seen the ponds overflowing during some summers and bone dry in some of the winters. What I'm asking is if dredging these water retention areas out by a foot or so would solve this problem. Would we be able to retain more of the water that we get in the summer so we have enough for the golf courses in the winter? How many times have we heard that the courses are in bad shape because we don't have enough water? When we do have water, we throw it away instead of saving it for the dry periods.

[tuccillo]

I have watched my own retention pond with much interest. It appears to have a liner. It also has a weir. Before Irma, the water was 4 feet below the weir. I watched the water level rise during Irma, with much interest, until the water level reached the level of the weir and then it stops as water flowed into the weir and then into another retention pond that was significantly lower. All of the houses were above this level. Several days later, I noticed a contractor standing on the edge of the weir with long pole. He was apparently opening up a valve at the bottom of the weir which allowed water to flow into the other retention pond until we were back to pre-storm levels - about 4 feet below the level of the weir. The valve appears to be closed now. Needless to say, I am pretty impressed by the infrastructure to manage water during what was essentially a 100 year event.

Probably because of the settlement on the bottom is several inches thick.......

[CFrance]

Probably because of the settlement on the bottom is several inches thick.......
Agree. We had this up north. Even have it at a dog park with ponds in Inverness. Silt and sand filter to the bottom, and you don't see the liner.

I am not a gung-ho, Developer-is-never-wrong person, but I am so impressed with the way they designed the golf courses and how it protects our homes from flooding.

And so is my DIL, the Ph.D. in land management.

[RErmer]

IMHO, we need to take a step back and appreciate all that they are doing in TV to protect our homes. If it means not golfing for a few weeks, that's a reasonable trade off. This was assessed as a 150 year event, so none of us are likely to be around for the next one like it. I played Ocala National yesterday, and couldn't help thinking how nice our courses are in comparison.

[asianthree]

How high is the water table? Paradise Pond is close to a million square feet. If it dredged out one more foot deep it would hold a tremendous amount more. Even six more inches down would prevent having that cart pat closed in an event like we just had. I honestly don't think the water table has anything to do with it.

As far as withdrawal from golf goes, we pay for golf in our amenity fees. If the golf courses are closed when they possibly could be open, we are paying for something that we're not getting. Can we expect to see a rebate in our amenity fees next month for two weeks that we were unable to take advantage of what we pay for?

Will The Villages pick up the green fees for any rounds that I play outside while these courses are closed?

We had a CAT 1 hurricane go through here which did some minor damage. It is certainly understandable that the golf courses would be closed during the storm and perhaps a day or two afterward for cleanup. But the fact that the ponds were not able to hold the amount of water we got tells me that they are not designed properly.

Hurricanes and heavy rainfall during the summer months should be expected here and should be planned for. It seems that in the five-plus years that I've been here I've seen the ponds overflowing during some summers and bone dry in some of the winters. What I'm asking is if dredging these water retention areas out by a foot or so would solve this problem. Would we be able to retain more of the water that we get in the summer so we have enough for the golf courses in the winter? How many times have we heard that the courses are in bad shape because we don't have enough water? When we do have water, we throw it away instead of saving it for the dry periods.

If you traveled outside of the villages you would have found course were flooded, cart path or should I say mud path, with mud all over the carts. Some courses just said they did not want anyone to play the course was in too bad of shape.

As far as our amenity fees they don't just pay for golf. There are many that live here the pay amenity fees and never touch a golf course. Apparently you're one of those ones that have serious withdrawal issues about not playing golf. I for one am so happy the villages designed this place that the water went in the ponds and the courses and not in my house. That pond that was over 10 feet up behind our house saved our house. I guess there are somethings but I am grateful for if I can't play a little golf just so I don't have to shovel mud out of my house I'm good with that.

[drcar]

How high is the water table? Paradise Pond is close to a million square feet. If it dredged out one more foot deep it would hold a tremendous amount more. Even six more inches down would prevent having that cart pat closed in an event like we just had. I honestly don't think the water table has anything to do with it.

As far as withdrawal from golf goes, we pay for golf in our amenity fees. If the golf courses are closed when they possibly could be open, we are paying for something that we're not getting. Can we expect to see a rebate in our amenity fees next month for two weeks that we were unable to take advantage of what we pay for?

Will The Villages pick up the green fees for any rounds that I play outside while these courses are closed?

We had a CAT 1 hurricane go through here which did some minor damage. It is certainly understandable that the golf courses would be closed during the storm and perhaps a day or two afterward for cleanup. But the fact that the ponds were not able to hold the amount of water we got tells me that they are not designed properly.

Hurricanes and heavy rainfall during the summer months should be expected here and should be planned for. It seems that in the five-plus years that I've been here I've seen the ponds overflowing during some summers and bone dry in some of the winters. What I'm asking is if dredging these water retention areas out by a foot or so would solve this problem. Would we be able to retain more of the water that we get in the summer so we have enough for the golf courses in the winter? How many times have we heard that the courses are in bad shape because we don't have enough water? When we do have water, we throw it away instead of saving it for the dry periods.

You want a rebate be serious, what about all the people who don't play golf. You, I and everyone else signed and agreed to the rules. GET REAL

[CWGUY]

You want a rebate be serious, what about all the people who don't play golf. You, I and everyone else signed and agreed to the rules. GET REAL

:oops: Wouldn't that be a novel idea?

[sheena0904]

Not that I've ever seen. I've seen several of these ponds go bone dry in the winter time and I've never seen a liner in them.

The liner is under the earth. That's why you don't see it.......Ol Winston always starting drama!!!

[drcar]

Yes what a shame, I have read for about 4 years his postings, laughed, agreed and disagreed. But talk about stirring the pot and drama, I only hope the other people on here understand he is wrong when talking like he is. The villages has many issues, but I gned up for, Boogie, again GET REAL!!!

[ColdNoMore]

I'm cracking the heck up. :1rotfl:


A "rebate" for a couple of missed weeks of golf...due to 'force majeure?' :oops:


Particularly funny, if a person almost exclusively plays executive courses...which are basically free to begin with.


And has been noted, an awful lot of people don't even play golf yet happily/freely pay their amenity fees...which are used for a lot more than just golf.


Oh well, it made for a good belly laugh. :thumbup:

[Christopher schneider]

Thank you Gracie Girl.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm cracking the heck up. :1rotfl:


A "rebate" for a couple of missed weeks of golf...due to 'force majeure?' :oops:


Particularly funny, if a person almost exclusively plays executive courses...which are basically free to begin with.


And has been noted, an awful lot of people don't even play golf yet happily/freely pay their amenity fees...which are used for a lot more than just golf.


Oh well, it made for a good belly laugh. :thumbup:

You can't possibly actually believe that the executive courses are FREE, can you?

That is my point exactly. We are paying for something that we are not allowed to use.

I'm simply questioning whether or not the right decision has been made regarding closing these golf courses for two weeks after a storm.

I understand that a lot of people don't play golf but that is their choice. What if all of the rec centers and pools were closed for two weeks. How would every feel about that?

We pay a monthly fee and activity are promised for that fee. We all choose which activities that we want. When some activities are not available those people that use those activities are being made to pay for something that they don't get.

It is certainly understandable after a major storm such as we had that golf courses would be closed for a few days. All I'm saying is that over two week seems excessive. And I heard the excuse that they are not safe. How are they not safe? Are we a bunch of little kids that don't know how to avoid danger? Can we not decide for ourselves to take risks?

There is no reason that many of these courses couldn't have been opened with a cart path only policy a few days after the storm.

If the retention ponds have liners, then lift them up and dredge them out a foot or so. This is not just a golf course problem, but when these ponds go dry in the winter, they are unsightly and many stink.

It seems that we're constantly going from too much water to drought every year. Dredging the retention ponds and saving more of the water that we get in the summertime simply makes sense.

[drcar]

You can't possibly actually believe that the executive courses are FREE, can you?

That is my point exactly. We are paying for something that we are not allowed to use.

I'm simply questioning whether or not the right decision has been made regarding closing these golf courses for two weeks after a storm.

I understand that a lot of people don't play golf but that is their choice. What is all of the rec centers and pools were closed for two weeks. How would every feel about that?

We pay a monthly fee and activity are promised for that fee. We all choose which activities that we want. When some activities are not available those people that use those activities are being made to pay for something that they don't get.

It is certainly understandable after a major storm such as we had that golf courses would be closed for a few days. All I'm saying is that over two week seems excessive. And I heard the excuse that they are not safe. How are they not safe? Are we a bunch of little kids that don't know how to avoid danger? Can we not decide for ourselves to take risks?

There is no reason that many of these courses couldn't have been opened with a cart path only policy a few days after the storm.

If the retention ponds have liners, then lift them up and dredge them out a foot or so. This is not just a golf course problem, but when these ponds go dry in the winter, they are unsightly and many stink.

It seems that we're constantly going from too much water to drought every year. Dredging the retention ponds and saving more of the water that we get in the summertime simply makes sense.

It is amazing, you don't want to listen to the facts, common sense or the truth. I have never met anyone who had all the answers until now. BTW cart path only... how do you get around the fallen trees and sink holes, knee deep water. OH I guess these issues are safe.

[John_W]

My neighbor played Harbor Hills last week, he found a special for $33 includes cart and lunch. He asked if I wanted to go, but I had an appointment. He's a very good golfer, a 4 handicap. The next day I asked him how it was, he said he played awful and the place was awful. He said he couldn't tell what was damaged and what was like it was before, a lot of sand in places where the grass was under repair. Trees messed up, a course that shouldn't be open. He's a fellow that has to play or hit golf balls everyday or he's not happy.

The week before he went to Brooksville, World of Woods. It's a 36 hole layout and I've played there 3 times with him. I didn't go because I don't like the course, it's very hard and takes the fun out. Another special, only $30 and normally it's $60. He said there was trees laying over all over the place. We figured that's why it was so cheap, so people wouldn't complain so much.

[Chi-Town]

You can't possibly actually believe that the executive courses are FREE, can you?

That is my point exactly. We are paying for something that we are not allowed to use.

I'm simply questioning whether or not the right decision has been made regarding closing these golf courses for two weeks after a storm.

I understand that a lot of people don't play golf but that is their choice. What is all of the rec centers and pools were closed for two weeks. How would every feel about that?

We pay a monthly fee and activity are promised for that fee. We all choose which activities that we want. When some activities are not available those people that use those activities are being made to pay for something that they don't get.

It is certainly understandable after a major storm such as we had that golf courses would be closed for a few days. All I'm saying is that over two week seems excessive. And I heard the excuse that they are not safe. How are they not safe? Are we a bunch of little kids that don't know how to avoid danger? Can we not decide for ourselves to take risks?

There is no reason that many of these courses couldn't have been opened with a cart path only policy a few days after the storm.

If the retention ponds have liners, then lift them up and dredge them out a foot or so. This is not just a golf course problem, but when these ponds go dry in the winter, they are unsightly and many stink.

It seems that we're constantly going from too much water to drought every year. Dredging the retention ponds and saving more of the water that we get in the summertime simply makes sense.You'll feel better once Silver Lake, Hilltop, and Orange Blossom open.

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[ColdNoMore]

It is amazing, you don't want to listen to the facts, common sense or the truth. I have never met anyone who had all the answers until now. BTW cart path only... how do you get around the fallen trees and sink holes, knee deep water. OH I guess these issues are safe.

I don't think there's even been a modicum of thought given to the enormous cost and logistical issues (where are the trucks going to drive...across the courses? :oops:) to remove liners, excavate the ponds to a deeper depth...that most likely won't make one bit of a difference anyway.


All because of a couple of weeks of inconvenience...due to a very rare occurrence?


You're correct...it IS simply amazing. :ohdear:

[sheena0904]

Yes what a shame, I have read for about 4 years his postings, laughed, agreed and disagreed. But talk about stirring the pot and drama, I only hope the other people on here understand he is wrong when talking like he is. The villages has many issues, but I gned up for, Boogie, again GET REAL!!!

Hahahaha definitely a pot stirrer!!! Guy knows EVERYTHING about any subject that is brought up as well! We are blessed to have his knowledge! Haha

[ColdNoMore]

You can't possibly actually believe that the executive courses are FREE, can you?

That is my point exactly. We are paying for something that we are not allowed to use.

I'm simply questioning whether or not the right decision has been made regarding closing these golf courses for two weeks after a storm.

I understand that a lot of people don't play golf but that is their choice. What if all of the rec centers and pools were closed for two weeks. How would every feel about that?

We pay a monthly fee and activity are promised for that fee. We all choose which activities that we want. When some activities are not available those people that use those activities are being made to pay for something that they don't get.

It is certainly understandable after a major storm such as we had that golf courses would be closed for a few days. All I'm saying is that over two week seems excessive. And I heard the excuse that they are not safe. How are they not safe? Are we a bunch of little kids that don't know how to avoid danger? Can we not decide for ourselves to take risks?

There is no reason that many of these courses couldn't have been opened with a cart path only policy a few days after the storm.

If the retention ponds have liners, then lift them up and dredge them out a foot or so. This is not just a golf course problem, but when these ponds go dry in the winter, they are unsightly and many stink.

It seems that we're constantly going from too much water to drought every year. Dredging the retention ponds and saving more of the water that we get in the summertime simply makes sense.

Of course they are free (if you walk).

Think of it this way, if you didn't golf...what is your amenity fee per month?

Now, how much extra are you paying...if you play an executive course and walk?

If you're paying anything extra...you should report the starter. :ho:

[skip0358]

I don't play golf. I enjoy looking at the beauty of the golf courses. This place was designed so the courses and ponds took the water in these rare storms. When the Bride and I were looking for a place to retire this place won out. Why you ask everything we wanted was here. Coming from Long Island we wouldn't be living like we do now. Affordable food, beverages, taxes, anything we want is and was cheaper. Yea we took some rain, yea I lost a few shingles. I'm alive, live in a beautiful community with everything I could ask for. I can't believe the BS the debris aren't picked up yet, I can't play golf, are they going to credit me for the amenities I can't use, why can't the normal yard waste collection be picking up the stuff. You've been living in a great place and now you inconvenienced a little. Get over it. What would it be like where you came from or did you forget life before TV we sure as hell Didn't. On a bad day this place beats where we lived before.

[plrbr1120]

NO............

[charmed59]

I enjoy looking at the beauty of the golf courses.

Driving by Turtle Mound I have to say, as much as I like to golf there it make an absolutely stunning lake....

[diane reynolds]

Just help someone out, no need to make the person feel badly for not knowing.

[Connie524]

The golf courses in The Villages were designed to flood to save the houses. That's why the golf courses are built first. During Irma, they did exactly what they were designed to do. And just because they look ok doesn't mean that they aren't extremely soggy.

[Jamespdunn45]

I understand your frustration, but the design was for the courses to act as flood plains. They did their job. TV might not do everything right, but I have found their intention to do the right thing pretty consistent. Thanks the TV for all their efforts.

[toeser]

What I find absurd is that you are complaining about it. Some of us have real problems to deal with following Irma.

[Snoopy]

"While we are able to open these courses Wednesday, many areas of the community still have very high water levels and the courses will be needed to continue to lower the basin levels."

Can you tell me which areas still have high water levels? Or which ones got it the worst? Thanks

[SixmileJohn]

Don't know. I played Spruce Creek yesterday and it was in terrible shape. I know The Villages look ready but I would rather wait until they are optimal than cause more damage.

[davefin]

Boy, there are some really bitter people here in TV responding to this thread. Get with it people. The retention ponds DID what they were designed to do. We had lots, and lots, and lots of rain in a short period of time. Wanting refunds of fees.......absurd! Wanting reimbursement of golf fees paid outside TV......absurd! Complaining about the "slow" cleanup.....absurd! Wake up complainers, we will all be golfing soon, on courses that are better maintained than many outside the bubble. Lets just enjoy living here..PERIOD.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Boy, there are some really bitter people here in TV responding to this thread. Get with it people. The retention ponds DID what they were designed to do. We had lots, and lots, and lots of rain in a short period of time. Wanting refunds of fees.......absurd! Wanting reimbursement of golf fees paid outside TV......absurd! Complaining about the "slow" cleanup.....absurd! Wake up complainers, we will all be golfing soon, on courses that are better maintained than many outside the bubble. Lets just enjoy living here..PERIOD.

If the retention ponds did what they were intended to do, the golf courses would have been closed for a couple of days, several golf course tunnels would not have flooded and the golf cart path going from Silver Lake to the Golf Cart Bridge would not have flooded.

I still contend that the retention ponds are not deep enough. And by the way, I've been saying this since I first saw some of them go completely dry in the winter after having to be pumped out in the summer five years ago.

This is not about not being able to play golf. That really doesn't bother me all that much. IMHO, these retention ponds and golf courses are not well designed.

I can't really speak about the ponds other than to say that they don't seem to be working properly, but I've never seen bunkers on golf courses that don't drain like these.

Yes, casual water in bunkers is not unusual. What is unusual is that on well-constructed golf courses bunkers are still full of water or muddy on the bottom weeks after rainfall.

I love it here in The Villages. There is no place that I'd rather live. But that doesn't mean that it's perfect and not subject to
improvement.

Coming from a golf background, one of the things that bothers me is that The Villages seems to do so many things so well. The landscaping in the common area is so well maintained. The pools and rec centers are beautiful. The lighting and signage are wonderful and the homes are well built and attractive. Even the roads and cart paths are resurfaced on a regular basis. Everything is done and maintained in a first-class manner. That is except for the golf courses which are poorly designed and poorly maintained. It seems that the priorities, when it comes to many of these courses are misplaced.

Sorry if this offends anyone, it is just my opinion.

[OhioBuckeye]

Does anyone else find it absurd that all of the golf courses are still closed almost two weeks after the hurricane?

I've driven by several of the executive courses and many look completely playable to me. Why is it that golf courses all around The Villages are open and playable? Is it because they won't open any if all are not ready?

I'd really love to know what's going on.

I think at one time you told me that you were a pro golfer at one time, but if anybody should know, you know that there's a lot of people out there that don't know how to read. They'll post a sign that says "Wet Area" & people will ignore it & drive right through water & rut the fairway up, then you'll have people saying this golf course is terrible why don't they fix these bad spots. I really think they would really want it to be dry instead of pouring more money into it or closing it down for repairs. I would rather see them keep the courses closed for 2 more weeks that to have the people who don't care just drive their carts wherever they want. I'm really surprised to think that a die hard golfer would want to rush it. You know they're are some courses open? Sorry Dr. Winston!

[ednetdl]

I'm in total agreement with Davefin, unless you wanted to be near a coast, there can be no better place to retire to in Florida than TV. TV didn't get to be this big because of poor management, enjoy what you have! PERIOD.

[fsgolf1]

You have got to be kidding me. Be thankful you don't have to complain about being without power, having holes in your roof or any of the other "important" issues many are still dealing with as a result of the hurricane. There are a multitude of other things to do in The Villages that should keep you occupied until the golf courses are open and playable.

[Dennis and Rose]

People across Florida and Texas lost their homes. Many still do not have power. In 2012 Our home up north was pretty much destroyed by Sandy. You must have a great life pal, if opening the golf courses is your major worry and concern Jeeeezzz