View Full Version : Crowder Gulf sub-contractors have pulled out of The Villages
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 10:40 AM
My sister sent me a link to an article from **************.com but the website has "imploded" evidently. I can't get on and neither can my sister. This is the headline I copied and pasted from my email.......
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris | **************.com
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 10:44 AM
Here is the link:
https://www.**************.com/fema-haulers-subcontractors-head-south-rather-pick-villages-debris/
EDIT: I see TOTV censors the website. Hmmm. I'll try to post the article.........
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris
Last updated September 25, 2017 By Staff Report 17 Comments
The Villages District Office has acknowledged that subcontractors working for a FEMA-approved hauler have headed south.
The District made the admission as anger mounts over post-Hurricane Irma debris which remains uncollected in countless Villages’ driveways.
Frustrated residents began dumping debris at postal stations and recreation centers. The District is now moving to Plan B.
“It is unfortunate that our contracted company, along with most contracted companies throughout central Florida, have had their subcontractors heading south for work due to monetary reasons,” the District said in an announcement Monday afternoon.
“Although a number of Crowder-Gulf’s (CG) subcontractors have left, CG and the District have been working diligently with the District’s contractors to become eligible debris haulers and we now have backfilled a number of the vehicles that left.”
Meanwhile, regular waste hauler CH2MHill has been green-lighted to resume removal of yard waste in Community Development Districts 9 and 10, located south of County Road 466A. Damage in that part of The Villages was not as severe.
CDDs 3 and 4 will also have normal yard waste removal resume this week as storm debris will have been removed by that time.
In addition, the District acknowledged the office has been deluged with email and phone calls, and not all have been returned. Many of those callers have demanded reimbursement for waste hauling services which have not been rendered.
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graciegirl
09-26-2017, 10:48 AM
My sister sent me a link to an article from **************.com but the website has "imploded" evidently. I can't get on and neither can my sister. This is the headline I copied and pasted from my email.......
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris | **************.com
:what:
Do you have a lot of debris? Maybe we can get a group and each take a little for our pile.
Ooper
09-26-2017, 10:52 AM
I just got into it, seems to be working now!
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 11:00 AM
I just got into it, seems to be working now!
Yes, I got on the website also. That is how I was able to post the body of the article in the second post of this thread.
The article doesn't mention some of the Districts. I'm in one of those unmentioned Districts but I'm not going to bother to call the CDD. Why bother at this point? They seem to inundated with phone calls.
jnieman
09-26-2017, 11:02 AM
Both links are posted at the end of this thread that's been going for a while:
Irma Yard Debris Pickup Tracker
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/irma-yard-debris-pickup-tracker-246898/
Hancle704
09-26-2017, 11:35 AM
Any reason while yard waste put in biodegradable paper bags can't be picked up now. Wonder what employees who normally do this, are doing on those days?
Topspinmo
09-26-2017, 11:43 AM
:what:
Do you have a lot of debris? Maybe we can get a group and each take a little for our pile.
That's funny! I doubt you have leaf on the ground on the north side of the lake
graciegirl
09-26-2017, 11:52 AM
That's funny! I doubt you have leaf on the ground on the north side of the lake
Why is it funny? It is worrying to her. We can help as a group. Are you willing to take some of her debris?
SouthOfTheBorder
09-26-2017, 11:55 AM
From two VCCD emails late afternoon 9/25 :
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"Date: 9/25/2017
Thank you for your patience and understanding during this unprecedented event in The Villages.
We appreciate the calls and inquiries we have received and the ability to explain what is transpiring regarding a number of services which includes vegetative debris removal. Although not all emails and phone calls have been returned, we are doing our best to do so.
As information, the Community Development Districts do have a contract with a company to provide vegetative removal after a weather event. It is unfortunate that our contracted company, along with most contracted companies throughout central Florida, have had their subcontractors heading south for work due to monetary reasons. At this moment, the State Attorney General is actually looking into this situation and the potential legal issues involved.
However, although a number of Crowder-Gulf’s (CG) subcontractors have left, CG and the District have been working diligently with the District’s contractors to become eligible debris haulers and we now have backfilled a number of the vehicles that left.
There have been a number of calls, inquiries and requests for credit for the lack of yard waste pickup by our contracted hauler, CH2MHILL. The company was directed to not pick up yard debris from the storm. While there are numerous valid reasons for doing so, including logistics, the salient point is that the company will be expending additional time and work to follow behind the contracted debris hauler to guarantee all debris has been removed. Once a District has had all residential storm-related debris removed, normal yard waste will resume the following Wednesday.
Due to the limited amount of debris in Districts 9 and 10, a decision has been made to resume CH2MHILL removal of yard waste. However, should there be large amounts of debris/tree limbs/stumps, they will be left and will be picked up by CG. Districts 3 and 4 will also have normal yard waste removal resumed this week as storm debris will have been removed by that time.
In addition, you are reminded to not take your vegetative debris to postal and recreation centers due to safety concerns.
Please note that while your home may not have substantial vegetative debris, that is not the case throughout The Villages. Please bear with us as we work very hard to say good bye to Irma’s remnants and respectfully request your patience during the clean-up.
"Debris Removal – UPDATED 9/25/2017
Storm related yard debris removal is continuing throughout The Villages community. All storm related yard debris should be placed curbside on residential property, but not in roadways. Please do NOT place debris in plastic bags. It may be un-bagged or in paper biodegradable bags.
While the storm related debris is collected, normal yard waste collection is suspended. As the storm debris is collected, Districts will begin receiving their normal yard waste collection the following Wednesday.
· Due to the limited amount of debris in Districts 9 and 10, normal yard waste collection will resume Wednesday, September 27th. Should there be large amounts of debris/tree limbs/stumps, they will be left and collected by Crowder-Gulf.
· Districts 3 and 4 will resume normal yard waste collection this Wednesday, September 27th as storm debris will be removed from residential properties.
· The collection in VCDD No. 3 is now complete for all residential properties.
· The collection in VCDD No. 4 began on the east side of Buena Vista and residential areas are now substantially complete. Collection is now underway for the portion of VCDD No. 4 on the west side of Buena Vista.
· The collection for VCDD No. 2 will be conducted west to east following the completion of collection in VCDD No. 4.
· The collection in the Lady Lake/Lake County portion of The Villages began September 22nd. Once that area is complete, the contractor will begin work in VCDD No. 1.
In addition, please do not take your vegetative debris to postal and recreation centers due to safety concerns.”
===================================
Hope that helps to answer some of the questions.
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 12:16 PM
Why is it funny? It is worrying to her. We can help as a group. Are you willing to take some of her debris?
Honestly, I don't want any Villager to take any of my debris. That is not the reason I started this thread. I thought it was news worthy to let everyone know Crowder Gulf has pulled out of The Villages and is heading to South Florida where they will be paid more money for their services.
I will wait until our yard debris is picked up by what ever hauler The Villages hires to do the job.
billethkid
09-26-2017, 12:19 PM
It is not a complicated problem for the current villages management to figure out.
When Crowder (sp?) was here FEMA gets the bill. Now they are gone.
TV pays to have someone do it. Maybe they are dealing with FEMA to determine what they will get reimbursed?
In any case they should be moving forward with getting TV back to it's normally pristine look.
I am just wandering out loud. Knowing how picky TV is about everything they do to keep this place 5 star in appearance does not compute with the weeks of delay to date and with communications thus far today......and the weeks more in front of us.
Just not the way TV responds to an issue.
Mleeja
09-26-2017, 12:43 PM
In one of the DS articles about debris collection I seem to recall seeing a bit of information that Crowder-Gulf was taking the debris to an EPA approved burn site. If this is correct then I can understand why it is preferred that CG picks up the debris. Our normal hauler just take the debris to a land fill. Do we really want to all of this debris going to a landfill when there is a better method of disposal?
graciegirl
09-26-2017, 12:53 PM
In one of the DS articles about debris collection I seem to recall seeing a bit of information that Crowder-Gulf was taking the debris to an EPA approved burn site. If this is correct then I can understand why it is preferred that CG picks up the debris. Our normal hauler just take the debris to a land fill. Do we really want to all of this debris going to a landfill when there is a better method of disposal?
No. Many are just impatient. I think it has more to do with that there was an overwhelming amount of debris everywhere in The Villages and that somebody...I can't think who, has gathered it into piles and then along came Fema, and now Fema has gone. Many would like our Federal Tax dollars to work for this great community who don't often ask for things from the government.
But no actually, now that I think about it...It is mostly about impatience. It isn't harming anyone, it just is unsightly.
Chi-Town
09-26-2017, 01:08 PM
When I saw that FEMA was involved in the pickup equation I thought why? This isn't going to end well as we got off a lot easier than much of Florida and we had a debris removal company already. Economics played a part, I'm sure, but we're back to taking care of ourselves which is our strong point as Villagers.
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graciegirl
09-26-2017, 01:15 PM
When I saw that FEMA was involved in the pickup equation I thought why? This isn't going to end well as we got off a lot easier than much of Florida and we had a debris removal company already. Economics played a part, I'm sure, but we're back to taking care of ourselves which is our strong point as Villagers.
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This isn't in answer to your post but I just read it on Facebook and it was too good not to share.
All DEBRIS Matters.
JoMar
09-26-2017, 01:20 PM
Typical.....impatient, inconsiderate and judgemental posts. I guess for some, TV is considered their personal slave organization.
Mleeja
09-26-2017, 02:52 PM
This isn't in answer to your post but I just read it on Facebook and it was too good not to share.
All DEBRIS Matters.
Maybe before we all tee off tomorrow we take a knee in silent protest over the lack of debris pickup!:024:
swooner
09-26-2017, 03:12 PM
My sister sent me a link to an article from **************.com but the website has "imploded" evidently. I can't get on and neither can my sister. This is the headline I copied and pasted from my email.......
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris | **************.com
Why not? Why should the very rich owners of TV have to resort to FEMA help when far more deserving people need it in many other places
graciegirl
09-26-2017, 03:18 PM
Why not? Why should the very rich owners of TV have to resort to FEMA help when far more deserving people need it in many other places
Because we pay taxes too? Most of us are willing to wait because we are nice people, and you are wrong about the very rich people of TV. Most are just ordinary people who worked 16 hour days for many years.
swooner
09-26-2017, 03:23 PM
Because we pay taxes too? Most of us are willing to wait because we are nice people, and you are wrong about the very rich people of TV. Most are just ordinary people who worked 16 hour days for many years.
I'm referring to the Morse family that can probably afford it better than FEMA
JoMar
09-26-2017, 03:23 PM
Why not? Why should the very rich owners of TV have to resort to FEMA help when far more deserving people need it in many other places
Until your share of the cleanup shows up on your bill.....if you're ok with that then I support that comment, but I somehow believe that if FEMA doesn't help and the residents are asked to contribute the positions here might be slightly different. FEMA makes the rules, FEMA requires the certification, FEMA determines disposal and because of that they reimburse for expenses. TV, I suspect, does not have a budget for hurricanes, so payment needs to come from someplace.
swooner
09-26-2017, 03:28 PM
Until your share of the cleanup shows up on your bill.....if you're ok with that then I support that comment, but I somehow believe that if FEMA doesn't help and the residents are asked to contribute the positions here might be slightly different. FEMA makes the rules, FEMA requires the certification, FEMA determines disposal and because of that they reimburse for expenses. TV, I suspect, does not have a budget for hurricanes, so payment needs to come from someplace.
It's my amenity money that pays the bill. Guess what, we have all contributed. O ****, don't use our money when millions of Americans are in despair in Puerto Rico. Give me a break.
rubicon
09-26-2017, 03:38 PM
Until your share of the cleanup shows up on your bill.....if you're ok with that then I support that comment, but I somehow believe that if FEMA doesn't help and the residents are asked to contribute the positions here might be slightly different. FEMA makes the rules, FEMA requires the certification, FEMA determines disposal and because of that they reimburse for expenses. TV, I suspect, does not have a budget for hurricanes, so payment needs to come from someplace.
But TV had no problem with using amenity fees to defend both the IRS lawsuit and the learning Center lawsuit, which by the way included The Villages of lake -sumter , Inc. Hmmmm
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 03:42 PM
Why not? Why should the very rich owners of TV have to resort to FEMA help when far more deserving people need it in many other places
The reason Crowder Gulf pulled out is because they are going where they will be paid more money per cubic foot of debris. It's all about the money and that is the bottom line. It has nothing to do with the need of the area.
Bogie Shooter
09-26-2017, 03:44 PM
NEWS FLASH!
I just saw and heard on the TV that we (government) are doing a wonderful job in Tx, FL, LA, Al and now PR.
What's to complain about?
Remember that time we heard "Scotty you are doing a great job".........................
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 03:44 PM
Because we pay taxes too? Most of us are willing to wait because we are nice people, and you are wrong about the very rich people of TV. Most are just ordinary people who worked 16 hour days for many years.
16 hour days? I'm not sure that most Villagers worked that many hours. Eight hour days is more the norm, I would say. Maybe some overtime here and there but not double shifts every day.
swooner
09-26-2017, 03:46 PM
The reason Crowder Gulf pulled out is because they are going where they will be paid more money per cubic foot of debris. It's all about the money and that is the bottom line. It has nothing to do with the need of the area.
Wow!
Bogie Shooter
09-26-2017, 03:55 PM
The reason Crowder Gulf pulled out is because they are going where they will be paid more money per cubic foot of debris. It's all about the money and that is the bottom line. It has nothing to do with the need of the area.
It wasn't Crowder but their sub contractors.
CFrance
09-26-2017, 04:19 PM
Why not? Why should the very rich owners of TV have to resort to FEMA help when far more deserving people need it in many other places
No, they're going down there because they are being paid double per truckload than what's being paid in Tampa. And I don't know what they were being paid here, but I would think less than in south FL (I'm assuming that's the Keys).
My take (only my opinion): if TV has to pick up all its own debris, the cost will be borne by TV, and any taxes you paid that go to FEMA will now not be helping TV. And for sure the accelerated cost for TV to pick up its own debris will eventually be passed on to us owners. So TV was trying to do the right thing by using FEMA. This isn't their fault, IMO.
But I acknowledge that this is only based on what I read from the district.gov updates that I signed up for online. And the article I read in the Tampa newspaper.
champion6
09-26-2017, 04:35 PM
The title of this thread is NOT CORRECT. The pace might have slowed - none of us can measure this - but "pulled out" implies that it has stopped.
VCDD e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 9/26/2017
Debris Removal – UPDATED 9/26/2017 5:02 PM
Storm related yard debris removal is continuing throughout The Villages community. All storm related yard debris should be placed curbside on residential property, but not in roadways. Please do NOT place debris in plastic bags. It may be un-bagged or in paper biodegradable bags.
While the storm related debris is collected, normal yard waste collection is suspended. As the storm debris is collected, Districts will begin receiving their normal yard waste collection the following Wednesday.
· Due to the limited amount of debris in Districts 9 and 10, normal yard waste collection will resume Wednesday, September 27th. Should there be large amounts of debris/tree limbs/stumps, they will be left and collected by Crowder-Gulf.
· VCDD Nos. 3 and 4 will resume normal yard waste collection this Wednesday, September 27th as storm debris will be removed from residential properties.
· The collection in VCDD No. 3 is now complete for all residential properties.
· The collection in VCDD No. 4 began on the east side of Buena Vista and residential areas are now substantially complete. Collection is now underway for the portion of VCDD No. 4 on the west side of Buena Vista.
· The collection for VCDD No. 2 will be conducted west to east following the completion of collection in VCDD No. 4.
· The collection in the Lady Lake/Lake County portion of The Villages began September 22nd. Once that area is complete, the contractor will begin work in VCDD No. 1.
· Collection in VCDD Nos. 5 – 8 will begin once all residential areas north of CR 466 are complete.
In addition, please do not take your vegetative debris to postal and recreation centers due to safety concerns.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the District Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508.
CFrance
09-26-2017, 04:41 PM
The title of this thread is NOT CORRECT. The pace might have slowed - none of us can measure this - but "pulled out" implies that it has stopped.
VCDD e-Notification
Subject: Administrative Message - Special Notification to All Newsletter Subscribers
Date: 9/26/2017
Debris Removal – UPDATED 9/26/2017 5:02 PM
Storm related yard debris removal is continuing throughout The Villages community. All storm related yard debris should be placed curbside on residential property, but not in roadways. Please do NOT place debris in plastic bags. It may be un-bagged or in paper biodegradable bags.
While the storm related debris is collected, normal yard waste collection is suspended. As the storm debris is collected, Districts will begin receiving their normal yard waste collection the following Wednesday.
· Due to the limited amount of debris in Districts 9 and 10, normal yard waste collection will resume Wednesday, September 27th. Should there be large amounts of debris/tree limbs/stumps, they will be left and collected by Crowder-Gulf.
· VCDD Nos. 3 and 4 will resume normal yard waste collection this Wednesday, September 27th as storm debris will be removed from residential properties.
· The collection in VCDD No. 3 is now complete for all residential properties.
· The collection in VCDD No. 4 began on the east side of Buena Vista and residential areas are now substantially complete. Collection is now underway for the portion of VCDD No. 4 on the west side of Buena Vista.
· The collection for VCDD No. 2 will be conducted west to east following the completion of collection in VCDD No. 4.
· The collection in the Lady Lake/Lake County portion of The Villages began September 22nd. Once that area is complete, the contractor will begin work in VCDD No. 1.
· Collection in VCDD Nos. 5 – 8 will begin once all residential areas north of CR 466 are complete.
In addition, please do not take your vegetative debris to postal and recreation centers due to safety concerns.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the District Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508.
I was going to mention this too, but I was afraid I might have missed some piece of information somewhere. My take was that Crowder was having trouble getting enough subcontractors to haul debris. I did not think that Crowder pulled out of TV.
njbchbum
09-26-2017, 04:47 PM
Maybe before we all tee off tomorrow we take a knee in silent protest over the lack of debris pickup!:024:
Or Villagers could get down on TWO knees and thank their higher power that debris removal trucks are not needed in the Villages as seriously as they are needed in all of the hardest hit hurricane areas!
CFrance
09-26-2017, 04:52 PM
Or Villagers could get down on TWO knees and thank their higher power that debris removal trucks are not needed in the Villages as seriously as they are needed in all of the hardest hit hurricane areas!
Clapping to you for this one, nj.:wave:
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 05:47 PM
It wasn't Crowder but their sub contractors.
Yes, that's right. I did read that.
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 05:56 PM
I was going to mention this too, but I was afraid I might have missed some piece of information somewhere. My take was that Crowder was having trouble getting enough subcontractors to haul debris. I did not think that Crowder pulled out of TV.
I am the starter of this thread. I hope this is the case that Crowder-Gulf has not pulled out of The Villages. The name of this thread is directly from the headline from an online TV News source. I have since come to find out that TOTV censors this website so I can't even give the name of the source. I apologize if this information was incorrect. That is what happens when you believe everything that is written on line.
From what my understanding is now is that Crowder-Gulf is trying to get more sub contractors to do the hauling in The Villages. Is that correct?
I edited the title of this thread. Hope that is more accurate information.
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 06:07 PM
The edited title thread does not show up on the main page with all the thread listings but it is changed in the thread itself. I don't know how to change the title on the main page.
Bogie Shooter
09-26-2017, 06:32 PM
I am the starter of this thread. I hope this is the case that Crowder-Gulf has not pulled out of The Villages. The name of this thread is directly from the headline from an online TV News source. I have since come to find out that TOTV censors this website so I can't even give the name of the source. I apologize if this information was incorrect. That is what happens when you believe everything that is written on line.
From what my understanding is now is that Crowder-Gulf is trying to get more sub contractors to do the hauling in The Villages. Is that correct?
I edited the title of this thread. Hope that is more accurate information.
I doubt if they ever stopped trying.
CFrance
09-26-2017, 07:30 PM
I am the starter of this thread. I hope this is the case that Crowder-Gulf has not pulled out of The Villages. The name of this thread is directly from the headline from an online TV News source. I have since come to find out that TOTV censors this website so I can't even give the name of the source. I apologize if this information was incorrect. That is what happens when you believe everything that is written on line.
From what my understanding is now is that Crowder-Gulf is trying to get more sub contractors to do the hauling in The Villages. Is that correct?
I edited the title of this thread. Hope that is more accurate information.
Actually, this was their headline:
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris (http://www.**************.com/fema-haulers-subcontractors-head-south-rather-pick-villages-debris/)
I think your misconception came from the fact that Crowder was not a subcontractor. They were the contractor, who in turn were using subcontractors to help with the hauling. The hauler never pulled out; the subcontractors did, to go south where they would make more money.
coffeebean
09-26-2017, 08:08 PM
Actually, this was their headline:
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris (http://www.**************.com/fema-haulers-subcontractors-head-south-rather-pick-villages-debris/)
I think your misconception came from the fact that Crowder was not a subcontractor. They were the contractor, who in turn were using subcontractors to help with the hauling. The hauler never pulled out; the subcontractors did, to go south where they would make more money.
Thank you for clearing all this up.
Markam
09-26-2017, 08:39 PM
Saw several Davey tree service trucks driving in TV today. Maybe they have been hired to help us with the clean-up.
champion6
09-26-2017, 09:24 PM
From The Villages Daily Sun Facebook page:
Piles of storm debris left in Hurricane Irma's wake should be gone from The Villages within three weeks, district officials hope after adding a $2-per-cubic-yard bounty to the cleanup contract Tuesday.
The delays that have frustrated Villagers could last months longer in other parts of Sumter and Lake counties as labor and equipment shortages plague the company paid to do the job. More details in Wednesday's Daily Sun.
Paper1
09-27-2017, 08:02 AM
My sister sent me a link to an article from **************.com but the website has "imploded" evidently. I can't get on and neither can my sister. This is the headline I copied and pasted from my email.......
FEMA hauler’s subcontractors head south rather than pick up Villages debris | **************.com
Do I understand that FEMA is paying for the pick up and disposal of tree and plant debris in Villages? Please tell me this is not so that there is some other reason FEMA is mentioned.
CFrance
09-27-2017, 08:11 AM
Do I understand that FEMA is paying for the pick up and disposal of tree and plant debris in Villages? Please tell me this is not so that there is some other reason FEMA is mentioned.
Well, this is one of the things FEMA is there for. You pay for FEMA through your tax dollars.
If TV had to pay its haulers all the extra money for the many extra truckloads of debris dumped, you would feel that in your wallet.
I don't get why people are so upset about this.
champion6
09-27-2017, 08:11 AM
Do I understand that FEMA is paying for the pick up and disposal of tree and plant debris in Villages? Please tell me this is not so that there is some other reason FEMA is mentioned.According to today's Daily Sun: "The cleanup is overseen by (FEMA), which reimburses local governments for at least 75 percent of the cost."
My opinion is that when Washington designates a Federal Disaster Area, this is one of the factors that becomes effective.
Harry Gilbert
09-27-2017, 10:12 AM
If you were a subcontractor making $10-12 per hour and a opportunity came up to provide a better income for you and your family, Where would YOU be?
billethkid
09-27-2017, 10:20 AM
If you were a subcontractor making $10-12 per hour and a opportunity came up to provide a better income for you and your family, Where would YOU be?
But then they will be back after partaking of the gouging opportunity, and they will be happy again with the current rate. I wouldn't hire them back for any job!
tomjbud
09-27-2017, 10:40 AM
My concern is that The Villages poor response to the relatively minor impact we had from the storm shows that they are certainly not prepared to respond if we had catastrophic damage here.
champion6
09-27-2017, 10:54 AM
My concern is that The Villages poor response to this relatively minor disaster shows that they are certainly not prepared to respond to a major hurricane or other disaster.What? -- "relatively minor disaster"?
Hurricane Irma was an extremely powerful and catastrophic hurricane, the strongest observed in the Atlantic since Wilma in 2005 in terms of maximum sustained winds.
It was the most intense Atlantic hurricane to strike the United States since Katrina in 2005, and the first major hurricane to make landfall in Florida since Wilma in 2005.
Hundreds of thousands of Floridians evacuated, making it the largest evacuation in the state's history.
Irma caused widespread and catastrophic damage throughout its long lifetime, particularly in parts of the northeastern Caribbean and the Florida Keys.
tomjbud
09-27-2017, 11:21 AM
I did not mean to say Irma was not destructive and catastrophic, but that the impact here in The Villages was relatively minor. Thank you for correcting me.
Paper1
09-27-2017, 06:34 PM
Well, this is one of the things FEMA is there for. You pay for FEMA through your tax dollars.
If TV had to pay its haulers all the extra money for the many extra truckloads of debris dumped, you would feel that in your wallet.
I don't get why people are so upset about this.
I guess I'm upset because my grandchildren are getting left with the damn cost of this. I would be astonished if this community was is actually getting FEMA assistance. Call me old fashion.
Bogie Shooter
09-27-2017, 08:44 PM
I guess I'm upset because my grandchildren are getting left with the damn cost of this. I would be astonished if this community was is actually getting FEMA assistance. Call me old fashion.
I guess they are just lying about the FEMA assistance.
Paper1
09-28-2017, 10:23 AM
I guess they are just lying about the FEMA assistance.
I guess I will have to disagree with those who believe that FEMA assistance is our "just do". This community rattling a tin cup is troubling to me.
JohnB
09-29-2017, 04:18 PM
I wish I knew what was going on. VCDD keeps blaming FEMA. FEMA posts this: "FEMA is no longer hosting the Debris Removal Contractor Registry in an effort to streamline the Federal government enterprise structure. To replace this capability, you may use the contractor registry at SAM.gov hosted by the United States General Services Administration at the link provided below. SAM.gov provides a similar service to that provided by the Debris Removal Contractor Registry: contractors may register their business information on the site, including capabilities and locations served, and those seeking assistance from companies providing debris removal services may search for such companies on SAM.gov." Is the developer playing money games?
coffeebean
09-29-2017, 04:34 PM
I wish I knew what was going on. VCDD keeps blaming FEMA. FEMA posts this: "FEMA is no longer hosting the Debris Removal Contractor Registry in an effort to streamline the Federal government enterprise structure. To replace this capability, you may use the contractor registry at SAM.gov hosted by the United States General Services Administration at the link provided below. SAM.gov provides a similar service to that provided by the Debris Removal Contractor Registry: contractors may register their business information on the site, including capabilities and locations served, and those seeking assistance from companies providing debris removal services may search for such companies on SAM.gov." Is the developer playing money games?
I'm not quite sure what all this means.
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