Legalized Gun Silencers?

[Sandtrap328]

An NRA sponsored bill in in Congress that would legalize gun silencers.

Why?

The NRA says it is important to protect the hearing of hunters. Get real, folks! If a hunter wants his hearing protected for the times he goes hunting, buy ear plugs. Lots cheaper!

Silencers would protect domestic abusers and criminals. Prime example is the Villager who shot 32 rounds of ammunition through a neighbor's front door several months ago. Other neighbors heard the shots and called police. If a silencer was used, chances are that no one would have heard a thing and that nut case would not be in jail.

Okay, let's get an honest discussion going here with no political or name calling as to WHY silencers should or should not be legal.

[manaboutown]

I dunno...silence is golden?

[Fredman]

Silencers are not needed

[Fredster]

Don't know much about hunting gun silencers but...
I do think, a lot of people should be silencer equipped!

[Steve9930]

An NRA sponsored bill in in Congress that would legalize gun silencers.

Why?

The NRA says it is important to protect the hearing of hunters. Get real, folks! If a hunter wants his hearing protected for the times he goes hunting, buy ear plugs. Lots cheaper!

Silencers would protect domestic abusers and criminals. Prime example is the Villager who shot 32 rounds of ammunition through a neighbor's front door several months ago. Other neighbors heard the shots and called police. If a silencer was used, chances are that no one would have heard a thing and that nut case would not be in jail.

Okay, let's get an honest discussion going here with no political or name calling as to WHY silencers should or should not be legal.

I do not agree with the law being changed. You can purchase a silencer today if you wish. The only difference is its classified as a Class 3 device. There is a procedure for obtaining a silencer. Keep the law as is currently written. I use ear protectors when I shoot.

[ColdNoMore]

An NRA sponsored bill in in Congress that would legalize gun silencers.

Why?

The NRA says it is important to protect the hearing of hunters. Get real, folks! If a hunter wants his hearing protected for the times he goes hunting, buy ear plugs. Lots cheaper!

Silencers would protect domestic abusers and criminals. Prime example is the Villager who shot 32 rounds of ammunition through a neighbor's front door several months ago. Other neighbors heard the shots and called police. If a silencer was used, chances are that no one would have heard a thing and that nut case would not be in jail.

Okay, let's get an honest discussion going here with no political or name calling as to WHY silencers should or should not be legal.

I'm actually surprised that the NRA couldn't come up with a better excuse...than supposedly worrying about shooters hearing. :oops:

Pretty lame, unoriginal and a transparent attempt at misdirection...if you ask me.

The only reason I can see for supporting this legislation, is to keep sliding down that slippery slope...until there are no restrictions on firearms (or other things like mortars/rocket launchers/flame throwers/etc).

While I own and shoot myself, I am constantly amazed (and concerned) at the glazed look I see in the eyes of some of my friends and acquaintances...when they start talking about their guns.

I personally save that kind of passion and love for my children/grandchildren/relatives...not something designed to kill.

The fact that so many call the capability to shoot full auto as the "happy switch"...pretty much explains it all.

The NRA’s last tweet tells you everything you need to know about what’s wrong with American gun laws – ThinkProgress (https://thinkprogress.org/nra-everything-wrong-gun-laws-92581dac6706/)

"Literally, this is the same rifle that the military gets without the full auto happy switch. That's fantastic!"

:ohdear:

[Carl in Tampa]

An NRA sponsored bill in in Congress that would legalize gun silencers.

Why?

The NRA says it is important to protect the hearing of hunters. Get real, folks! If a hunter wants his hearing protected for the times he goes hunting, buy ear plugs. Lots cheaper!

Silencers would protect domestic abusers and criminals. Prime example is the Villager who shot 32 rounds of ammunition through a neighbor's front door several months ago. Other neighbors heard the shots and called police. If a silencer was used, chances are that no one would have heard a thing and that nut case would not be in jail.

Okay, let's get an honest discussion going here with no political or name calling as to WHY silencers should or should not be legal.

You mis-state the facts. Suppressors (the legal name - they don't "silence" anything) are already legal. The proposed bill does not "make them legal." What it does do is remove the $200 tax on purchasing one.

The argument in favor of tax-free suppressors for hunters is valid. It has been known since the 1960s that the sound of the muzzle blast of firearms has a cumulative detrimental effect on the hearing of hunters and target shooters.

Wearing ear protection (muffs or earplugs) is practical for target shooting, but impractical for hunters. The main reason is that when hunting game, both seeing and hearing are necessary for the hunter to be effective and safe.

Now, regarding the effectiveness of suppressors:

1. They don't really work on revolvers, regardless of what you see on television. The noise of the blast emerges from the revolvers from the gap between the front of the cylinder and the throat of the barrel.

2. They don't really work on rifles that fire bullets that travel faster than the speed of sound, because the bullet breaking the sound barrier makes a noise of its own. BUT, that sound is not as intense as the muzzle blast, so the suppressor does provide protection for the hunter.

3. Silencers are rarely used in crimes.

ATF: 1.3 Million Silencers in U.S. Rarely Used in Crimes
Only 44 silencer-related crimes each year.

BY: Stephen Gutowski
February 17, 2017 5:00 am

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) released statistics to the Washington Free Beacon on Wednesday showing that the nearly 1.3 million silencers registered in the United States are rarely used in crimes.

"As of 02-03-2017, there are 1,297,670 suppressors registered with ATF under the National Firearms Act," Justice Department spokesman Dillon McConnell told the Free Beacon.

That number is an increase of nearly 400,000 registered silencers since the same time last year, when ATF records indicated there were 902,805 silencers in the country.

The ATF confirmed that silencers are rarely used in crimes despite their explosion in popularity. The agency has only recommended prosecutions for 44 silencer-related crimes per year over the past decade. That means roughly .003 percent of silencers are used in crimes each year. Of those 44 crimes per year, only 6 involved defendants with prior felony convictions.

ATF: 1.3 Million Silencers in U.S. Rarely Used in Crimes (http://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-despite-nearly-1-3-million-silencers-united-states-rarely-used-crimes/)

So, there you go. Facts. No name calling. And a reminder that "silencers" are already legal.

Carl in Tampa

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[MikeV]

No such thing as a silencer. It’s a noise suppressor.


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[Fredman]

I hunted big game for a lot of years and shot pistol competively. You need ear protection for competive shooting but a suppressor doesn’t do a lot for reducing noise thus the argument that they are needed for hunters is a lot of baloney. PS. My hearing is excellent

[billethkid]

I think all NRA member should respond the the leadership telling them there is no need for "silencers" to go hunting. I did.

Too many generations of hunters did and do just fine without them.

This one is easy....no politics required except bucking the NRA establishment...a little.

[karostay]

I have never heard of a silencer committing a crime yet.
If anyone has by all means share your knowledge

[billethkid]

I have never heard of a silencer committing a crime yet.
If anyone has by all means share your knowledge

The NRA still needs to hear from the membership their proposal on silencers is a stupid and unnecessary one.

[rivaridger1]

As stated previously they are legal. The first post implying Congress is about to make them legal is a " strawman " designed to evoke gut emotion during a period of extreme national emotional distress. Suppressors are a tool designed to be used with another tool and nothing more.

[Carl in Tampa]

I think all NRA member should respond the the leadership telling them there is no need for "silencers" to go hunting. I did.

Too many generations of hunters did and do just fine without them.

This one is easy....no politics required except bucking the NRA establishment...a little.

In view of the FACT that suppressors are already legal, what is your big objection to removing the tax on them?


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[retiredguy123]

Get real. This argument has nothing to do with gun silencers. There is obviously nothing wrong with a silencer and they should not be taxed. It is a political argument by those who want to take away a citizen's right to own a gun. Why not be honest about it? I hate these dishonest, veiled attempts to take away our constitutional rights.

[affald]

Get real. This argument has nothing to do with gun silencers. There is obviously nothing wrong with a silencer and they should not be taxed. It is a political argument by those who want to take away a citizen's right to own a gun. Why not be honest about it? I hate these dishonest, veiled attempts to take away our constitutional rights.They want every city to be like Chicago. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/3f22f87f746b88ce15d3c326f9386027.jpg

[NoMoSno]

They can be homemade from PVC pipe.
pvc suppressor - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pvc+suppressor+)

[Fredster]

"Thou shalt not kill" wasn't directed at inanimate objects!

[billethkid]

In view of the FACT that suppressors are already legal, what is your big objection to removing the tax on them?


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I read it wrong...my position is in error!

[rubicon]

I have never heard of a silencer committing a crime yet.
If anyone has by all means share your knowledge

karostay: its a very long story but we insured a book company that published some unsavory books such as How To Be A Hitman. it included how to build a silencer. this guy hired another guy who followed that book to the letter to kill his family for insurance money. We handled the lawsuit

[Cisco Kid]

They want every city to be like Chicago. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171004/3f22f87f746b88ce15d3c326f9386027.jpg

Nazis, also collected the guns in the prior years be for the genocide .

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

You mis-state the facts. Suppressors (the legal name - they don't "silence" anything) are already legal. The proposed bill does not "make them legal." What it does do is remove the $200 tax on purchasing one.

The purpose of a tax should be to raise money for the government. It should not be to punish people of to control the sale of anything. A tax should not target a specific group of people.

[karostay]

This is a situation where uninformed people have watched way to many hollywood movies
Bad guy pulls trigger no sound is made and good people drop dead

Reality is any type of noise suppressor or silencer on a firearm with a velocity greater than a 22 will have only a 20 to 30% reduction of noise at best.

I suggest you go to gun range listen and do the math
30% you still need hearing protectection

Second is the size of the silencer or suppressor will be almost most as long as the barrel itself.

Not the hollywod reach in your back pocket slide it over the barrel shoot no one will hear you models you have been led to believe exist

If Supressors Only Reduce the Noise Level of a Gun by 20-30%, Why Use Them at All? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/If-supressors-only-reduce-the-noise-level-of-a-gun-by-20-30-why-use-them-at-all)

[coalminer]

So many lame excuses to protect criminals and murders at the behest of the NRA

[Fredster]

So many lame excuses to protect criminals and murders at the behest of the NRA

Your post shows that you have very little if any
understanding about the NRA.

[rivaridger1]

I am a veteran and a retired citizen of the United States who dutifully paid his taxes from the time he was seventeen until retiring at sixty four. I would like to buy a suppressor so I can shoot my .22 caliber target pistol at the local range without being encumbered with noise suppressing ear muffs or stuffing plugs into my ears. Furthermore, I would like to do this without getting the approval of my local sheriff who is much to busy to get to personally know me, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco who is manned by government bureaucrats that have little interest in processing my license application in a timely manner, or for that matter, at all. I have had a concealed carry license in three states and thus have been the subject of three FBI checks over the course of 40 years. I would also like to pay my local gun store the 7 % FL sales tax and not pay a $ 200 to the Federal Government in addition which has already taxed me quite heavily all my working career. Is there something wrong with what I would like to accomplish ?

[autumnspring]

An NRA sponsored bill in in Congress that would legalize gun silencers.

Why?

The NRA says it is important to protect the hearing of hunters. Get real, folks! If a hunter wants his hearing protected for the times he goes hunting, buy ear plugs. Lots cheaper!

Silencers would protect domestic abusers and criminals. Prime example is the Villager who shot 32 rounds of ammunition through a neighbor's front door several months ago. Other neighbors heard the shots and called police. If a silencer was used, chances are that no one would have heard a thing and that nut case would not be in jail.

Okay, let's get an honest discussion going here with no political or name calling as to WHY silencers should or should not be legal.

I do believe in the right to bear arms but like EVERYTHING else it has gone NUTS. Use for a silencer I don't see any.
Use for a 30-50 or ????? magazine I don't see any.

Your statement re: the villager firing through a neighbor's door and your FEAR that if he had a silencer no one would have heard. Is based on mis-knolege from watching too much TV. A silencer is NOT as quiet IN REAL LIFE as it is on TV.

Our is mostly LIBERAL CONTROLLED and anti-gun.
I doubt many of you are aware that the shooter at the pulse night club had he not shot his gun was in violation of the law-you are not allowed to have a gun in any place serving liquor. The one in Las Vegas. There are several conflicting stories about what he was shooting.
REALIZE-the lowlife was found dead in the hotel room he was shooting from. So no gun left the room. One report is that the guns were modified to shoot AUTOMATIC. If, you do not know, an automatic weapon is ILLEGAL.
OH and talk about MISINFORMATION. You are being FED the term ASSAULT RIFLES. LOOK IT UP. It takes a lot to realize you are being misinformed. A assault rifle is by definition AUTOMATIC which means simply IT IS ILLEGAL TO OWN. What too many REPORTERS, tell you about people buying owning assault rifles is simply FALSE INFORMATION.

SOLUTION I DON'T HAVE ONE. Perhaps, the NRA is being forced to push back against people WHO HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE thinking that they do. Sadly, I must admit some of the VOICES on both sides of this issue are perhaps guilty of insanity-I HOPE IT IS ONLY TEMPORARY INSANITY.

[rjm1cc]

I think ear plugs for hunters should be legal.

[manaboutown]

Back when I used to hunt I got into bow hunting. Pretty quiet and enjoyable.

[Steve9930]

This is a situation where uninformed people have watched way to many hollywood movies
Bad guy pulls trigger no sound is made and good people drop dead

Reality is any type of noise suppressor or silencer on a firearm with a velocity greater than a 22 will have only a 20 to 30% reduction of noise at best.

I suggest you go to gun range listen and do the math
30% you still need hearing protectection

Second is the size of the silencer or suppressor will be almost most as long as the barrel itself.

Not the hollywod reach in your back pocket slide it over the barrel shoot no one will hear you models you have been led to believe exist

If Supressors Only Reduce the Noise Level of a Gun by 20-30%, Why Use Them at All? - Quora (https://www.quora.com/If-supressors-only-reduce-the-noise-level-of-a-gun-by-20-30-why-use-them-at-all)

Besides using the suppressor you also need to use sub-sonic ammunition. I personally would leave the law as it is. You can still buy a suppressor it just takes a bit more effort and money.

[karostay]

So many lame excuses to protect criminals and murders at the behest of the NRA

Your facts are ?