Poll for a new a/c

[BobnBev]

Which do you think is better, MUNN's or SUNSHINE for a new unit, and why?

[CWGUY]

Which do you think is better, MUNN's or SUNSHINE for a new unit, and why?

:icon_bored: Do a search on this site! There is a better choice out there.:wave:

[Investment Painting Contractors]

Try Chuck Farrell for your third estimate, you wont be sorry. Type Chuck Farrell into the search box and see what others are saying. Len the retired half of IPC

[Chatbrat]

From posters on this site Chuck Farrell

[bob47]

Don't rule out DiSantis in Wildwood. They offer Trane. We were pleased with their work and their price.

[CWGUY]

Try Chuck Farrell for your third estimate, you wont be sorry. Type Chuck Farrell into the search box and see what others are saying. Len the retired half of IPC

:wave: I could not be happier!

[BobnBev]

Called C.F., they only carry American Standard, I want a Carrier. The 2 I mentioned are Carrier dealers.

[Chatbrat]

Carrier doesn't necessarily mean quality--go to consumer reports and check out all heat pumps

[Fredster]

Just had Chuck Farrell out to do my annual check up this am.
My appointment was for 9:45am, and the service tech rang our doorbell right on the dot!
They always give us straight talk about our system,
and will fix only what’s necessary!
Up to this point even though our system is older, haven’t needed repairs, only regular maintenance, and check ups.
If we ever needed a major repair or replacement,
I wouldn’t hesitate to call Chuck.
I first heard of Chuck Farrell a few years ago through great reviews about him on TOTV.

[OpusX1]

Chuck Farrell. If you check almost all makes of AC are manufactured by 3 or 4 companies. We had estimates from all mentioned above. Estimates ranged from over $12,000 to Chucks of $3,900.00 and Chucks includes a aprilaire filter. Don't get stuck on a brand, the installer is much more important. Great price and service. We had ours installed about 6 weeks ago.

[JGVillages]

Chuck Farrell. Replaced my unit 3 months ago. Got 4 quotes for 3 1/2 to variable speed, Sunshine, Munns, and DeSantis came in all about the same at around $6200. Farrell was the 4th quote at $4500. Their American Standard unit is basically Trane. A google search shows they are made in the same manufacturing plant and are the same units with different distribution networks. Farrells installation team was exceptional and as you will see from all the posts on this site they by far get the most positive recommendations.

[BobnBev]

I thought Carrier was the best. Guess I'll have to do more research. Thanks, everybody.

[Buckeyes76]

Carrier systems life expectancy 10-15 years, Trane 15-20 years and add to your home value! Add tankless hot water at the same time and watch you electric bill drop! An investment you won't regret!

[Dan9871]

Here is a link going over the differences between Trane and American Standard from a large dealer in AZ who has sold both.

Nutshell, both are built on the same production line and identical except for color and logo. Even the price to the dealer is about the same... but dealers that buy more get lower prices. But there still can be reasons to choose one over another.

Trane vs American Standard, what is the difference? | Magic Touch Mechanical (http://www.airconditioningarizona.com/blog/air-conditioning-service/trane-vs-american-standard-what-is-the-difference/)

[dbcolli]

My Trane lasted only 9 !/2 years and had semi annual tune ups... very disappointed, the evaporator leaked . Replaced with a new Lennox two stage compressor, had a couple problems early on but excellent so far.

[capecoralbill]

Semi annual tune ups. ? Why would you need a tune up on a new A/C? Or for that matter any A/C that is working/cooling properly why fix something that is not broken?

[Chatbrat]

There are all model Tranes, some Tranes have proprietory parts that are unique to Trane, also IMHO if you have the big 4" x20 x20 filters once a year check up is all thats need

[dbcolli]

To have the manufactures warranty that covers parts but not labor I was told you have to have the tune ups

[tuccillo]

An annual maintenance checkup may be a requirement for maintaining a warranty.

Semi annual tune ups. ? Why would you need a tune up on a new A/C? Or for that matter any A/C that is working/cooling properly why fix something that is not broken?

[tuccillo]

Evaporator coil leaks are, unfortunately, pretty common.

My Trane lasted only 9 !/2 years and had semi annual tune ups... very disappointed, the evaporator leaked . Replaced with a new Lennox two stage compressor, had a couple problems early on but excellent so far.

[Chatbrat]

Replace the coil- any real tradesman should be able to silver solder the replacement

[Wiotte]

Replace the coil- any real tradesman should be able to silver solder the replacement



You know the reason it wasn’t replaced with a new coil.


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[GeoGeo]

We had a lot of estimates and went with DeSantis in Wildwood. Very pleased.

[autumnspring]

Here is a link going over the differences between Trane and American Standard from a large dealer in AZ who has sold both.

Nutshell, both are built on the same production line and identical except for color and logo. Even the price to the dealer is about the same... but dealers that buy more get lower prices. But there still can be reasons to choose one over another.

Trane vs American Standard, what is the difference? | Magic Touch Mechanical (http://www.airconditioningarizona.com/blog/air-conditioning-service/trane-vs-american-standard-what-is-the-difference/)

From my experience in a totally different industry.

Magic touch does a great presentation with a bit of fact spinning. He says he USED TO BE, a Traine comfort specialist. There is some reason-not stated-why he is not now. Not accusing. Not based on knowledge but based on my experience in a totally other industry-did he meet the required volume? Did he send his people for the required by the company training? Did he pay his bills on time?
He mentioned volume pricing. This is an often used tactic.
Is the volume reasonable and adjusted by territory? Re: marketing funds. We used to call that PM funds. Promotional marketing funds. In my previous industry it was use it or loose it. To not use it was STUPID. You could spend that money on almost anything company approved. If, you did not have enough to buy a news [paper or radio ad you could purchase pens with your name and the company name on it. He did say Traine and American Standard are the same-I HAVE NO WAY TO SAY THAT IS TRUE. He does say that Traine cost him slightly less-AGAIN I HAVE NO WAY TO CONFIRM THAT but, at least in my former industry and I'm sure many others the real true cost is not what is shown on the invoice.

Have you ever gone to buy a car and the salesman says he will sell you the car at only $150 or $200 over dealer cost and you go. or think it is a great deal? If, you want to see him loose lunch ASK ABOUT THE CALL BACK. They get roughly 6% back from the car company when the car is sold. Assuming you are buying a lower cost car it is still 22,000 6% of 22,000 is $1320 plus the $200 he told you
is $1520 profit.

[Dan9871]

He says he USED TO BE, a Traine comfort specialist. There is some reason-not stated-why he is not now.

Actually in the paper he says was a Trane dealer but switched to American Standard because Trane support from the local Trane warehouse had dropped off and he could better support from the local American Standard wholesaler.

But then after some time Ingersoll Rand improved the operation of the Trane warehouse in AZ and he switched back to being a Trane dealer and is one now (or at least at the time he wrote this paper).

[autumnspring]

My Trane lasted only 9 !/2 years and had semi annual tune ups... very disappointed, the evaporator leaked . Replaced with a new Lennox two stage compressor, had a couple problems early on but excellent so far.

RE: lasted only 9.5 years
Remember you run your AC or for most of us it is a heat pump all year long. Expected life is about ten years. You will see posts I had a ...... and it lasted 15 years. It is a slow death.
It no longer works as well as it did and it uses more and more electricity

We have a carrier, now four years old. They try to SELL you a biannual service. Once a year is all you need for the warranty. IF, you have the same system as we do, you are supposed to change the filters twice a year. The filters are fairly expensive but you can buy the originals on line for 1/2 to 1/3 less than from the service company.

RE: LENNOX
My friend in boynton beach bought a Lennox about two years ago and he was thrilled at his electric savings. ??? I think he said it was 18 s.e.e r. Not confirmed guesses. At the time his home was built the minimum the builders could put in was 6 seer so I assume that is what he had. If, you look on the unit you have you will see the seer rating is marked. Our carrier is 15 seer.
To his LENNOX. His unit died two days before erma hit.
His repair tec did a diagnosis and said he needed a part.
The nearest one was in Atlanta. I took them 10 days to get the part and have it installed. TEN DAYS WITH NO AC
AND IT IS HOTTER IN BOYNTON BEACH THEN HERE.

[tuccillo]

If you have the 4" media filter then changing once a year is fine (unless you have some unusual situation in your home). Remember that the filters actually filter better as they become loaded (up to a point, obviously) and the ECM motors in the air handlers are programmed to deliver the same CFM as the filter becomes more loaded. In a previous home, the system monitored the 4" media filter loading via changes in the status pressure (you can do that with ECM motors) and reported back when it needed to be changed. The frequency was typically over a year for a larger home than we have here (in the southeast so the same usage pattern). Mine is still pretty clean after a year.

RE: lasted only 9.5 years
Remember you run your AC or for most of us it is a heat pump all year long. Expected life is about ten years. You will see posts I had a ...... and it lasted 15 years. It is a slow death.
It no longer works as well as it did and it uses more and more electricity

We have a carrier, now four years old. They try to SELL you a biannual service. Once a year is all you need for the warranty. IF, you have the same system as we do, you are supposed to change the filters twice a year. The filters are fairly expensive but you can buy the originals on line for 1/2 to 1/3 less than from the service company.

RE: LENNOX
My friend in boynton beach bought a Lennox about two years ago and he was thrilled at his electric savings. ??? I think he said it was 18 s.e.e r. Not confirmed guesses. At the time his home was built the minimum the builders could put in was 6 seer so I assume that is what he had. If, you look on the unit you have you will see the seer rating is marked. Our carrier is 15 seer.
To his LENNOX. His unit died two days before erma hit.
His repair tec did a diagnosis and said he needed a part.
The nearest one was in Atlanta. I took them 10 days to get the part and have it installed. TEN DAYS WITH NO AC
AND IT IS HOTTER IN BOYNTON BEACH THEN HERE.

[lbertoni]

I just had a new unit put in my villa. I went with Chuck Farrell after getting three estimates. He was honest, did a great job and came in the lowest.

[Topspinmo]

Semi annual tune ups. ? Why would you need a tune up on a new A/C? Or for that matter any A/C that is working/cooling properly why fix something that is not broken?

Tuneup = checking the coolant level, blowing out or cleaning coils, and replacing the filter.