Coyotes?

[billethkid]

We have had several sightings of coyotes in our village, both adult and young.

The only way to get rid of the "nest" is to call a trapper.

My question is having a dog that we take out to do her business in the evenings.

While research states not to run away and make noise to scare them or it away......what if they approach or attack?

[Jima64]

Shoot to kill.

[ColdNoMore]

Shoot to kill.


Yeah, just what we need around here...shooting at animals. :oops:


Here are some better ideas.

Urban Coyotes - Keeping Your Pets Safe (https://www.preventivevet.com/dogs/urban-coyotes-keeping-your-pets-safe)

What To Do If You and Your Dog Are Followed By a Coyote

- Do NOT turn your back to the coyote — do NOT run. (Coyotes can run up to 40 mph over short distances… you won’t outrun them.)

- Put your dog on a leash, if they aren’t already. Do NOT turn your dog loose to go after the coyote.

- Unzip your jacket and hold it wide open or raise your hands above your head and wave them, making yourself appear larger and scarier to the coyote.

- Run towards them and make noise to scare or shoo them away — yell “Go Away Coyote,” shake your keys, clap, etc.

- Throw rocks, branches, or anything else at your disposal toward the coyote to scare them away. Aim for their feet and generally around them, not necessarily directly at them.

- If you live in an area where you know coyotes frequent, you can carry a whistle or fill a soda can with some coins or nuts & bolts. Wrap the entire thing in duct tape and then shake it to use as a noise-maker in the event you encounter a coyote. You can also get mini airhorns that you can carry with you on your walks.

- Consider doing your walks and hikes with a can of pepper spray or a water pistol with vinegar-water in it. You can use either to stop a coyote that gets too close.

- Note: With all noise-making attempts…. filled cans, whistles, airhorns, etc… take care to have your own dog(s) under good leash control so as not to also startle them and have them run off (or after the coyote).

[Sandtrap328]

As I have posted before, most Villagers who carry their handguns while walking their dog or going to Dunkin' Donuts have not fired in a stressful situation in over 40 years. Going to the firing range and shooting at a wild animal that may be running to confront your dog in darkness are two completely opposite situations.

You may very well shoot your dog, maybe the coyote, possibly a house, or even your leg. In addition, it probably is illegal to fire a gun in The Villages but the safety issues are more pressing than semantics of legality.

Let the coyotes be. The odds of your dog being attacked while on a short leash are minuscule. I have also previously said if I see a wild animal trap, I will spring it.

[larbud]

Consider doing your walks and hikes with a can of pepper spray or a water pistol with vinegar-water in it. You can use either to stop a coyote that gets too close.
That's close enough for a double tap with a 40 S&W, Or even a 22LR hollow point...

[aninjamom]

I would just like to point out that coyotes eat rabbits and RATS. Your dog is supposed to be on a leash at all times anyway. A wild animal will not usually bother you, if you don't bother them. Make lots of noise, and it will go the other way.

[Island57]

Well, 10 minutes ago, a coyote past 5 feet from my patio slab. Walking it’s way towards St Andrews and E Schwartz. Not freaked out by it’s presence but respectful. I keep my 2 mutts close and always under supervision.
I appreciate all the level headed responses to this post. Keep your guns holstered, cowboys. We need to be wiser and understand how valuable our wildlife is to our area.

[ColdNoMore]

Well, 10 minutes ago, a coyote past 5 feet from my patio slab. Walking it’s way towards St Andrews and E Schwartz. Not freaked out by it’s presence but respectful. I keep my 2 mutts close and always under supervision.
I appreciate all the level headed responses to this post.

Keep your guns holstered, cowboys.

We need to be wiser and understand how valuable our wildlife is to our area.

You made me spit my iced tea out. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

:coolsmiley:

[Taltarzac725]

I carry a five iron at night and a bright flashlight when out with the dog at night. And use a short leash.

Scream at the coyote if it comes close, throw golf balls from pockets, or use the five iron while keeping control of your dog.

If you car is near by and its remote control has a panic button, push it.

Jon Snow-- a sweet chihuahua/miniature pinscher-- got taken by a coyote when let out to pee at about 4 AM near the villages just south of Lake Miona. This was a few months ago.

[manaboutown]

I have lived around coyotes most of my life (still do in NM and CA). Friends of mine lost several of their cats which liked to roam free to coyotes. Best to stay with your (leashed) dog when it is out. Coyotes are very smart wild animals. They are stealthy, quick to react, can move fast and I can verify are very difficult to hit with a scoped .243 rifle out on a ranch in broad daylight! Please, do not try to shoot one in an urban environment with a handgun! Use pepper spray or the like.

If you know of a nearby coyote den, find a trapper to take care of it.

[Taltarzac725]

I have lived around coyotes most of my life (still do in NM and CA). Friends of mine lost several of their cats which liked to roam free to coyotes. Best to stay with your (leashed) dog when it is out. Coyotes are very smart wild animals. They are stealthy, quick to react, can move fast and I can verify are very difficult to hit with a scoped .243 rifle out on a ranch in broad daylight! Please, do not try to shoot one in an urban environment with a handgun! Use pepper spray or the like.

If you know of a nearby coyote den, find a trapper to take care of it.

Rumor is there is a pack around Lake Miona but I do not know where.

[Sandtrap328]

Hiring a trapper would certainly be against rules of The Villages. All the properties are PRIVATE. Yes, even the golf courses, wooded areas, marsh land, and pond areas are PRIVATE and trapping is not allowed - without the owner's permission.

As stated before, I would spring any trap I would see.

[NoMoSno]

As stated before, I would spring any trap I would see.
Even if it was on private property?

[Chi-Town]

Predators increase when prey increases. There has been a lot of talk about the teeming rat and squirrel population here. Keep your dogs on a leash and cats enclosed. Coyotes aren't going away; they are very adaptive. Other parts of the country have gone through this and found out that a few basic rules mitigate any downside.

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[Sandtrap328]

Even if it was on private property?

Depends on the situation, location, and other factors.

[manaboutown]

Depends on the situation, location, and other factors.
Trespassing is against the law and trespassers are prosecuted in accordance therewith, no matter their "feelings". In some situations they can legally be shot on sight.

[billethkid]

Rumor is there is a pack around Lake Miona but I do not know where.

Bridgeport at Lake Miona....it is not a rumor.
There have been several sightings over recent months and at least one "nest" located between Lake Miona Drive and the lake.

They have been sighted all throughout the village. Day light sightings as well as evening.

[manaboutown]

I hope you are not hearing packs of them howl at night.

On occasion they mate with dogs as do wolves.

Coyote - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote)

[Bowtorc]

it is also illegal to bother another person's traps. How would you know which was legal

[Barefoot]

I would just like to point out that coyotes eat rabbits and RATS. Your dog is supposed to be on a leash at all times anyway. A wild animal will not usually bother you, if you don't bother them. Make lots of noise, and it will go the other way.:agree:Yes, coyotes eat rats.
I've never heard of a dog on a leash being taken by a coyote, only unleashed dogs.
It is VERY IMPORTANT to always keep your dog on a leash for many reasons.
If you are walking at night in a secluded area, I suggest you carry a noisemaker.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Yeah, just what we need around here...shooting at animals. :oops:

Here are some better ideas.

Urban Coyotes - Keeping Your Pets Safe (https://www.preventivevet.com/dogs/urban-coyotes-keeping-your-pets-safe)

You made me spit my iced tea out. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

:coolsmiley:

Thank you, Cold, for making sense, as you usually do.
The gun-toting cowboys who think it's a great idea to shoot when they see a coyote should go live in rough-rider country.

Common sense tells me that if coyotes could possibly be a threat in a given area, it's very simple . . . just don't walk them at night!
When you take them out to "go," stay on your own property with them.
Also, when walking your dog at any time, get rid of those ridiculous, retractable leashes; you cannot control a dog when using one and they are dangerous.

My last comment, Cold . . . I hope you weren't laughing so hard that the tea came out your nose. :girlneener:

[Chi-Town]

Yeah, just what we need around here...shooting at animals. :oops:


Here are some better ideas.

Urban Coyotes - Keeping Your Pets Safe (https://www.preventivevet.com/dogs/urban-coyotes-keeping-your-pets-safe)Excellent advice. Here's a video outlining your points:

Safety and Prevention Tips on Living with Urban Coyotes - YouTube (https://youtu.be/i3qu5nsvI-I)


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[joldnol]

What’s up with the coyote love. They are a non-native to Florida and are a pest. The state is too cheap and lazy to slow their growth down.

[Kazmi]

States/counties/cities won't do anything about them since it costs money and the coyote are saving them the money of proper animal control (rats, over population of deer, etc). Since coyote have very few predators in some areas of the country, and we prefer our food from the grocery store, one day this lack of taking ownership of the population problem will come back to bite us.

[Fraugoofy]

States/counties/cities won't do anything about them since it costs money and the coyote are saving them the money of proper animal control (rats, over population of deer, etc). Since coyote have very few predators in some areas of the country, and we prefer our food from the grocery store, one day this lack of taking ownership of the population problem will come back to bite us.Literally.

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[Carl in Tampa]

What’s up with the coyote love. They are a non-native to Florida and are a pest. The state is too cheap and lazy to slow their growth down.

The state has declared open season on coyote. They can be shot or trapped. They can be taken at night with light and gun, which is not true of most game animals.

Removing coyotes is an inefficient and ineffective method to control populations. New coyotes move into areas where others have been removed. When there is pressure (such as trapping) placed on coyote populations, the species can actually produce more pups per litter in response and populations can quickly return to original size.

Can you name any place that had a "coyote problem" that addressed the problem and is now coyote free?

[Barefoot]

Removing coyotes is an inefficient and ineffective method to control populations. New coyotes move into areas where others have been removed. When there is pressure (such as trapping) placed on coyote populations, the species can actually produce more pups per litter in response and populations can quickly return to original size.
This is an article from Popular Science talking about birth control for wild animals.

Approved for Use: the First Birth Control for Wildlife | Popular Science (https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-08/birth-control-wildlife)

[CFrance]

Yeah, just what we need around here...shooting at animals. :oops:


Here are some better ideas.

Urban Coyotes - Keeping Your Pets Safe (https://www.preventivevet.com/dogs/urban-coyotes-keeping-your-pets-safe)
I agree with everything except for one thing--I would not wrap the entire can of pennies in duct tape, as that would dull the noise quite a bit. Just tape the top shut.

[village dreamer]

I carry a five iron at night and a bright flashlight when out with the dog at night. And use a short leash.

Scream at the coyote if it comes close, throw golf balls from pockets, or use the five iron while keeping control of your dog.

If you car is near by and its remote control has a panic button, push it.

Jon Snow-- a sweet chihuahua/miniature pinscher-- got taken by a coyote when let out to pee at about 4 AM near the villages just south of Lake Miona. This was a few months ago.

so how far can you drive a coyote with your 5 iron :0000000000luvmyhors:0000000000luvmyhors

[Taltarzac725]

so how far can you drive a coyote with your 5 iron :0000000000luvmyhors:0000000000luvmyhors

The only times I have seen coyotes in full here in the Village of Lynnhaven they have been trotting away from us. This has always been in the morning and early afternoon. They have had to wind their way through the golfers on Belmont GC.

I do see their eyes once in a while out at night on the Belmont GC near the ponds.

I never walk near the ponds with my dog and try to stay near houses.

[joldnol]

The state has declared open season on coyote. They can be shot or trapped. They can be taken at night with light and gun, which is not true of most game animals.

Removing coyotes is an inefficient and ineffective method to control populations. New coyotes move into areas where others have been removed. When there is pressure (such as trapping) placed on coyote populations, the species can actually produce more pups per litter in response and populations can quickly return to original size.

Can you name any place that had a "coyote problem" that addressed the problem and is now coyote free?

I never said you can eliminate them. Unfortunately we are stuck with them but their population can be controlled.

[Carl in Tampa]

I never said you can eliminate them. Unfortunately we are stuck with them but their population can be controlled.

No, but you said, "The state is too cheap and lazy to slow their growth down."

And I pointed out that the state has declared year around open season on shooting or trapping coyotes, either day or night, which is rather extreme.

Your post implied that spending more money or making a greater effort would be effective in "slowing their growth down."

The state cites studies that show that efforts to remove coyotes from a particular area results in coyotes having larger litters of pups to fill the void.

So, I suggest that the state is not being "cheap" or "lazy" in the matter of coyotes; just realistic.

When the coyote population in the area of The Villages gets to the point that available prey diminishes, so will the coyote population.

In the meantime, free roaming pets are at risk.

[rubicon]

it appears one of those critters had a feast of rabbit on the 9th hole on Becall

[Carl in Tampa]

In considering the problem of the growth of the coyote population in The Villages a question occurred to me. Note that this is only a question, not a suggestion that this is a solution.

I'm wondering how many plastic bags of garbage are being torn open by animals prior to pick up by the garbage trucks. If this is becoming a wide spread problem, perhaps it is related to the coyote problem.

There are three possible scenarios:

1. Coyotes are omnivorous. They may be tearing open the plastic garbage bags lying at the street awaiting pickup either for meat or for vegetable contents. The large quantity of food available from this source could eventually lead to a very large coyote population in The Villages.

2. Other smaller animals, such as rats, squirrels, raccoons, opossums, and others, may be getting into the garbage, which allows their numbers to grow, providing more prey for the growing coyote population in The Villages.

3. Both 1 and 2, above, are true.

It would be interesting if data could be gathered to determine if there is a widespread problem with garbage bags being torn open prior to pickup. If this is a problem, it may provide a clue to the increase in the local coyote population.

IF this were to be determined to be a factor in the rise of the coyote population, a possible solution would be to require all garbage to be in closed, hard plastic trash cans. This is the practice in Tampa, where these cans are designed to be picked up and dumped into a trash truck with an automated system which is a part of the truck. In Tampa, the cans are provided by the local government, and separate cans are provided for trash and for recyclable items.

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[Henryk]

In considering the problem of the growth of the coyote population in The Villages a question occurred to me. Note that this is only a question, not a suggestion that this is a solution.

I'm wondering how many plastic bags of garbage are being torn open by animals prior to pick up by the garbage trucks. If this is becoming a wide spread problem, perhaps it is related to the coyote problem.

There are three possible scenarios:

1. Coyotes are omnivorous. They may be tearing open the plastic garbage bags lying at the street awaiting pickup either for meat or for vegetable contents. The large quantity of food available from this source could eventually lead to a very large coyote population in The Villages.

2. Other smaller animals, such as rats, squirrels, raccoons, opossums, and others, may be getting into the garbage, which allows their numbers to grow, providing more prey for the growing coyote population in The Villages.

3. Both 1 and 2, above, are true.

It would be interesting if data could be gathered to determine if there is a widespread problem with garbage bags being torn open prior to pickup. If this is a problem, it may provide a clue to the increase in the local coyote population.

IF this were to be determined to be a factor in the rise of the coyote population, a possible solution would be to require all garbage to be in closed, hard plastic trash cans. This is the practice in Tampa, where these cans are designed to be picked up and dumped into a trash truck with an automated system which is a part of the truck. In Tampa, the cans are provided by the local government, and separate cans are provided for trash and for recyclable items.

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Ordinarily, I do not put food waste into the trash. Most of it goes into the sink disposal. Ordinarily, I simmer bones for stock and then they are also soft enough to go in the disposal.

[Carla B]

In nine years, the only time one of our bags was torn open was when broken grates from the barbecue grill were put in the garbage bag. The grease/meat smell must have been particularly appetizing.

[Nodipecten]

The pack of coyotes live right behind my house on Lake Miona, they were here earlier in the year then left somewhere but I can hear them almost every night at dusk just a few yards behind my house. A week ago I spotted a pack of four in the middle of the day catching mice or rats in the long grass between the house and the lake and was able to take a picture but rushed to the lanai to bring my cats in.

[Taltarzac725]

The pack of coyotes live right behind my house on Lake Miona, they were here earlier in the year then left somewhere but I can hear them almost every night at dusk just a few yards behind my house. A week ago I spotted a pack of four in the middle of the day catching mice or rats in the long grass between the house and the lake and was able to take a picture but rushed to the lanai to bring my cats in.

I never hear the coyotes at night. There is a quite sizable one that I have seen here in Lynnhaven in the day time. I thought it was a loose German Shepherd and was going to try to catch it but then saw that it was a very large coyote from the way it moved and looked around. I was crossing Alcott Avenue going west toward Belmont GC. It was around 1:30 PM as well. That's why I thought was a loose dog.

[Chi-Town]

This video shows how they adapt to their surroundings in busy areas.

Coyotes in Chicago Habitat | Meet The Coywolf | Nature on PBS - YouTube (https://youtu.be/5j37ondqPvk)

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[Kazmi]

The state has declared open season on coyote. They can be shot or trapped. They can be taken at night with light and gun, which is not true of most game animals.

Removing coyotes is an inefficient and ineffective method to control populations. New coyotes move into areas where others have been removed. When there is pressure (such as trapping) placed on coyote populations, the species can actually produce more pups per litter in response and populations can quickly return to original size.

Can you name any place that had a "coyote problem" that addressed the problem and is now coyote free?

most only spend money on bringing awareness on how to live with coyote in their urban area. I have done quite a bit of reading up on this (we have an abundance of them in MI so this is an area of interest for me) and haven't run across any recent successful attempts taken on to reduce the population of urban coyote population. Most admit they can't get the funding or the studies are stopped by concerned citizens.

[JimC55]

Saw one in Dunedin this morning. He was walking down a golf cart path.


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[Mrs. Robinson]

In considering the problem of the growth of the coyote population in The Villages a question occurred to me. Note that this is only a question, not a suggestion that this is a solution.

I'm wondering how many plastic bags of garbage are being torn open by animals prior to pick up by the garbage trucks. If this is becoming a wide spread problem, perhaps it is related to the coyote problem.

There are three possible scenarios:

1. Coyotes are omnivorous. They may be tearing open the plastic garbage bags lying at the street awaiting pickup either for meat or for vegetable contents. The large quantity of food available from this source could eventually lead to a very large coyote population in The Villages.

2. Other smaller animals, such as rats, squirrels, raccoons, opossums, and others, may be getting into the garbage, which allows their numbers to grow, providing more prey for the growing coyote population in The Villages.

3. Both 1 and 2, above, are true.

It would be interesting if data could be gathered to determine if there is a widespread problem with garbage bags being torn open prior to pickup. If this is a problem, it may provide a clue to the increase in the local coyote population.

IF this were to be determined to be a factor in the rise of the coyote population, a possible solution would be to require all garbage to be in closed, hard plastic trash cans. This is the practice in Tampa, where these cans are designed to be picked up and dumped into a trash truck with an automated system which is a part of the truck. In Tampa, the cans are provided by the local government, and separate cans are provided for trash and for recyclable items.


Ordinarily, I do not put food waste into the trash. Most of it goes into the sink disposal. Ordinarily, I simmer bones for stock and then they are also soft enough to go in the disposal.

Carl -- you always give such good information on most topics and this is another one of them.
At personal level, I don't think ripped open plastic trash bags needs to be a widespread problem.
As long as there is some of this happening, and there is, it warrants having the trash cans you describe and show.
Regardless of the fact that so many people are against trash receptacles because they don't want to be bothered with them, it is the only solution that makes sense, particularly to solve the "critter" problem.

Waste Management provides the type of can you have shown. Unfortunately, we do not have Waste Management.
I believe the reason we don't have that type of trash can and recycling can is because the developer doesn't want to go to the expense of providing them.
No -- instead residents have to go to the expense of buying trash bags which only adds to the millions of bags that don't disintegrate in the landfills.

HenryK -- Good for you! You are one of the few who doesn't throw garbage in with your trash.
I do a similar thing that you do.
I save up Chicken bones in the freezer until I have enough and when I do I pressure cook them.
When they are soft, I put them in a blender to pulverize them and then add it to our dogs' food.
I also have a compost bin for vegetable and plant remains.

I wish more people cared about our environment, but alas -- they don't because it's usually too much of a bother.

[CFrance]

I agree with the trash can issue, but a problem is that the garages in TV homes are too narrow to accommodate them. We would have to do some additional landscaping in order to keep them at the side of the house--which we would be happy to do, BTW.

[billethkid]

Perhaps the current method is least cost?
Least unsightly?

[Abby10]

Carl -- you always give such good information on most topics and this is another one of them.
At personal level, I don't think ripped open plastic trash bags needs to be a widespread problem.
As long as there is some of this happening, and there is, it warrants having the trash cans you describe and show.
Regardless of the fact that so many people are against trash receptacles because they don't want to be bothered with them, it is the only solution that makes sense, particularly to solve the "critter" problem.

Waste Management provides the type of can you have shown. Unfortunately, we do not have Waste Management.
I believe the reason we don't have that type of trash can and recycling can is because the developer doesn't want to go to the expense of providing them.
No -- instead residents have to go to the expense of buying trash bags which only adds to the millions of bags that don't disintegrate in the landfills.

HenryK -- Good for you! You are one of the few who doesn't throw garbage in with your trash.
I do a similar thing that you do.
I save up Chicken bones in the freezer until I have enough and when I do I pressure cook them.
When they are soft, I put them in a blender to pulverize them and then add it to our dogs' food.
I also have a compost bin for vegetable and plant remains.

I wish more people cared about our environment, but alas -- they don't because it's usually too much of a bother.

I like not having to deal with trash cans in TV. Up north, they always seem so unsightly and then there's the problem with people leaving them out too long, wind blowing them over, and they can get pretty heavy even with wheels. Never thought it was cheapness on the part of the developer - husband and I thought it was just a better way to keep the community looking nicer. If there is a major problem with bags being torn open though, I can see the reason to change the current system.

Regarding coyotes, when we were down in September, we spotted one in the vicinity of the Villages of Sanibel/Charlotte. As we rounded a bend in our golf cart, we realized that it appeared to be tracking a couple of women who were walking their small dogs. We rushed up to alert them. They said they were aware and frightened. We escorted them home hoping the golf cart noise would keep the coyote away. Fortunately, they got home safely with their dogs. I said to my husband, instead of being on community watch, we were on coyote watch that night! :D

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=Abby10;1464874]I like not having to deal with trash cans in TV. Up north, they always seem so unsightly and then there's the problem with people leaving them out too long, wind blowing them over, and they can get pretty heavy even with wheels. Never thought it was cheapness on the part of the developer - husband and I thought it was just a better way to keep the community looking nicer. If there is a major problem with bags being torn open though, I can see the reason to change the current system.

Regarding coyotes, when we were down in September, we spotted one in the vicinity of the Villages of Sanibel/Charlotte. As we rounded a bend in our golf cart, we realized that it appeared to be tracking a couple of women who were walking their small dogs. We rushed up to alert them. They said they were aware and frightened. We escorted them home hoping the golf cart noise would keep the coyote away. Fortunately, they got home safely with their dogs. I said to my husband, instead of being on community watch, we were on coyote watch that night! :D[/QUOTE
Kudos to you! Neighbors helping out.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Perhaps the current method is least cost?
Least unsightly?

I like not having to deal with trash cans in TV. Up north, they always seem so unsightly and then there's the problem with people leaving them out too long, wind blowing them over, and they can get pretty heavy even with wheels. Never thought it was cheapness on the part of the developer - husband and I thought it was just a better way to keep the community looking nicer. If there is a major problem with bags being torn open though, I can see the reason to change the current system.

Yes, the current method is the least cost, for the developer, not the homeowner who has to purchase the plastic bags.
And it amazes me that no one cares that these bags do not disintegrate in the landfills.
It's as though no one cares about future generations (grandchildren?) because that who these contaminates will affect.

There are trash bags which are ripped open with trash and garbage strewn all over the street.
Is there anything more unsightly than that???

Why do people make excuses that trash cans are unsightly and because they aren't taken back in when you think it should be done.
If there are "rules" regarding when trash can be placed out, there would be "rules" for when the receptacles have to be taken back in.

[manaboutown]

Coyote proof. Gator proof. Let's hope it does not come to needing to bear proof TV's trash. Counties roll out bear-proof trash cans as the opportunistic eaters' range expands - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orange/os-bear-proof-trash-cans-orange-lake-20171010-story.html)

[Carl in Tampa]

Coyote proof. Gator proof. Let's hope it does not come to needing to bear proof TV's trash. Counties roll out bear-proof trash cans as the opportunistic eaters' range expands - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orange/os-bear-proof-trash-cans-orange-lake-20171010-story.html)

Lions, and tigers, and bears............oh my.

Lions, Tigers, Bears - The Wizard Of Oz - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NecK4MwOfeI)

[ColdNoMore]

Rumor has it, that there are many more cougars here than coyotes.

[Abby10]

Yes, the current method is the least cost, for the developer, not the homeowner who has to purchase the plastic bags.
And it amazes me that no one cares that these bags do not disintegrate in the landfills.
It's as though no one cares about future generations (grandchildren?) because that who these contaminates will affect.

There are trash bags which are ripped open with trash and garbage strewn all over the street.
Is there anything more unsightly than that???

Why do people make excuses that trash cans are unsightly and because they aren't taken back in when you think it should be done.
If there are "rules" regarding when trash can be placed out, there would be "rules" for when the receptacles have to be taken back in.

I'm a little lost here when you talk about the use of plastic trash bags. Even if you had trash cans for your trash, wouldn't you still be using trash bags? Unless you're speaking of disposal of recyclable materials, then I see your point, but since you mention landfills I'm thinking otherwise. :shrug:

[elshackovillages]

There is no reported attack on a human, by a coyote, in the state of Florida. Southeastern coyotes do not attack pets being walked on leashes, as coyotes are opportunistic animals. They will, however, keep coming around an area where they have seen small dogs or cats running free. They will watch and wait for that opening, and they will kill your pet. But, the rules of the Villages prohibit people from letting their pets run free or tying them up outside, so, there should not be any problems with coyotes. But, there is. Every dog killed by a coyote, was illegally running free. That means the owner put their dog's life in danger as well as broke the rules of the Villages. If you love your pet, keep it on a short leash and obey the rules.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I'm a little lost here when you talk about the use of plastic trash bags. Even if you had trash cans for your trash, wouldn't you still be using trash bags? Unless you're speaking of disposal of recyclable materials, then I see your point, but since you mention landfills I'm thinking otherwise. :shrug:

No.
Trash bags aren't necessary in a trash can.
I never put garbage in with trash; that's what garbage disposals are for.

[gap2415]

Yes, the current method is the least cost, for the developer, not the homeowner who has to purchase the plastic bags.
And it amazes me that no one cares that these bags do not disintegrate in the landfills.
It's as though no one cares about future generations (grandchildren?) because that who these contaminates will affect.

There are trash bags which are ripped open with trash and garbage strewn all over the street.
Is there anything more unsightly than that???

Why do people make excuses that trash cans are unsightly and because they aren't taken back in when you think it should be done.
If there are "rules" regarding when trash can be placed out, there would be "rules" for when the receptacles have to be taken back in.

In the Port Charlotte area, giant garbage cans were provided free to all households, one for recycling. Like many, an attractive little fence was put on the driveway side of the house and we easily wheeled it to the curb. All neighborhood cans matched. From then on, only one garbage person was needed as an arm from the truck picked the cans up and put them in the truck before lowering it back in place. At first, many even us, resisted the change but soon got to like it. Later, on a trip to Toronto, we saw how people had recycling down to an art. Even kitchen leftovers and potato peels went into plastic buckets that were picked up for recycling. Most used their own recycle bags in stores. Toronto had a big garbage\landfill problem and sought ways to solve it. Even in the country areas, lots of different large containers were at strategic points for separation of various recycled items and people used them. When I came back to Florida and saw all the plastic bags being used in stores, I had a sinking feeling that we complain about the environment but do much less than we can to protect it.

[gap2415]

The pack of coyotes live right behind my house on Lake Miona, they were here earlier in the year then left somewhere but I can hear them almost every night at dusk just a few yards behind my house. A week ago I spotted a pack of four in the middle of the day catching mice or rats in the long grass between the house and the lake and was able to take a picture but rushed to the lanai to bring my cats in.

If we have a rat problem, and kill off all the feral kitties, why wouldn't the coyotes move in. I'd rather cats than rats especially with the new no kill, back into the neighborhood with a clipped ear and shots Program out...our neighborhood patrol! Coyotes not so much as they kill our pets when we let them loose. We need a war on rats I think, the coyotes just might head elsewhere as it is harder to snatch a well-guarded pet.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

I have lived around coyotes most of my life (still do in NM and CA). Friends of mine lost several of their cats which liked to roam free to coyotes. Best to stay with your (leashed) dog when it is out. Coyotes are very smart wild animals. They are stealthy, quick to react, can move fast and I can verify are very difficult to hit with a scoped .243 rifle out on a ranch in broad daylight! Please, do not try to shoot one in an urban environment with a handgun! Use pepper spray or the like.

If you know of a nearby coyote den, find a trapper to take care of it.

We are from AZ and lived out in the desert 🌵 with the coyotes. They are very smart animals and will out witt you every time. Pepper spray is ok but chances are if they are that close you are already in big trouble. We are trained using firearms and I would have one on me to use as a last use option.

[Taltarzac725]

We are from AZ and lived out in the desert ������ with the coyotes. They are very smart animals and will out witt you every time. Pepper spray is ok but chances are if they are that close you are already in big trouble. We are trained using firearms and I would have one on me to use as a last use option.

Throw golf balls at them. Seems to have worked in other communities. Geneva Adopts Plan to "Haze" Coyotes - NBC Chicago (https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/geneva-coyotes-296849361.html)

[Henryk]

Carl -- you always give such good information on most topics and this is another one of them.
At personal level, I don't think ripped open plastic trash bags needs to be a widespread problem.
As long as there is some of this happening, and there is, it warrants having the trash cans you describe and show.
Regardless of the fact that so many people are against trash receptacles because they don't want to be bothered with them, it is the only solution that makes sense, particularly to solve the "critter" problem.

Waste Management provides the type of can you have shown. Unfortunately, we do not have Waste Management.
I believe the reason we don't have that type of trash can and recycling can is because the developer doesn't want to go to the expense of providing them.
No -- instead residents have to go to the expense of buying trash bags which only adds to the millions of bags that don't disintegrate in the landfills.

HenryK -- Good for you! You are one of the few who doesn't throw garbage in with your trash.
I do a similar thing that you do.
I save up Chicken bones in the freezer until I have enough and when I do I pressure cook them.
When they are soft, I put them in a blender to pulverize them and then add it to our dogs' food.
I also have a compost bin for vegetable and plant remains.

I wish more people cared about our environment, but alas -- they don't because it's usually too much of a bother.

Mrs. R., I have a dual rotating compost unit. I was shocked to find that (I assume was) squirrels ATE through ROUNDED edges to get inside. How do you avoid rodent problems?

[Island57]

There is no reported attack on a human, by a coyote, in the state of Florida. Southeastern coyotes do not attack pets being walked on leashes, as coyotes are opportunistic animals. They will, however, keep coming around an area where they have seen small dogs or cats running free. They will watch and wait for that opening, and they will kill your pet. But, the rules of the Villages prohibit people from letting their pets run free or tying them up outside, so, there should not be any problems with coyotes. But, there is. Every dog killed by a coyote, was illegally running free. That means the owner put their dog's life in danger as well as broke the rules of the Villages. If you love your pet, keep it on a short leash and obey the rules.
Exactly. Common sense. This should not even be an issue. Keep your eyes and a leash on your pet!

[Mrs. Robinson]

Mrs. R., I have a dual rotating compost unit. I was shocked to find that (I assume was) squirrels ATE through ROUNDED edges to get inside. How do you avoid rodent problems?

I have had a compost bin for the past 25 years or so, no matter where I've lived.
Currently, I probably have the same one you have now (dual sided and rotating).

I have not had the problem you are having and can't think of a real solution that would work.
Can you attach a flag that would wave in the breeze or sit one of those plastic owl figures on top?

I hate to say this, but it probably isn't a squirrel. Is it happening during the day or at night? That would tell you what it is -- rat or squirrel, but it still doesn't solve your problem.

Rats have been here long before us and will be here well after we are gone.
Yeah, I know; that isn't helping solve your problem, either.
I'll put my thinking cap on and try to come up with something that might help you out.

[SandiG]

Moving here from Colorado for years we lived around coyote, elk, deer, mountain lions, bears, bobcats, etc. At NO TIME did we have to use a gun in town. Why? Simple: WE DIDN'T FEED THE WILDLIFE. If you are worried... Best thing to do is carry bear spray. It works folks !! and from afar. Whistles also work. Its funny how animals can live around humans but somehow humans have such a hard time living around wild animals.
We were wondering since we kayak if bear spray would work on alligators. :)

[Barefoot]

We were wondering since we kayak if bear spray would work on alligators. You would only get one chance to see if it deterred gators; I wouldn't rely on it. :evil6:
But unless you fall out of the kayak, you shouldn't have to worry. I haven't read about gators taking kayakers.

[Henryk]

I have had a compost bin for the past 25 years or so, no matter where I've lived.
Currently, I probably have the same one you have now (dual sided and rotating).

I have not had the problem you are having and can't think of a real solution that would work.
Can you attach a flag that would wave in the breeze or sit one of those plastic owl figures on top?

I hate to say this, but it probably isn't a squirrel. Is it happening during the day or at night? That would tell you what it is -- rat or squirrel, but it still doesn't solve your problem.

Rats have been here long before us and will be here well after we are gone.
Yeah, I know; that isn't helping solve your problem, either.
I'll put my thinking cap on and try to come up with something that might help you out.

I suppose it could have been a rat, I don't know when the damage occurred. But what floors me is this--how could either have gotten their choppers on a rounded edge without holes?

[Mrs. Robinson]

I suppose it could have been a rat, I don't know when the damage occurred. But what floors me is this--how could either have gotten their choppers on a rounded edge without holes?

Rounded edge -- any edge.

They don't chomp; they gnaw!

[ficoguy]

Shoot to kill.

Stand your ground.

[Carl in Tampa]

Moving here from Colorado for years we lived around coyote, elk, deer, mountain lions, bears, bobcats, etc. At NO TIME did we have to use a gun in town. Why? Simple: WE DIDN'T FEED THE WILDLIFE. If you are worried... Best thing to do is carry bear spray. It works folks !! and from afar. Whistles also work. Its funny how animals can live around humans but somehow humans have such a hard time living around wild animals.
We were wondering since we kayak if bear spray would work on alligators. :)

I would be extremely skeptical that an irritating spray would be very effective on alligators. These sprays are usually intended to irritate the eyes, nostrils, and throat of the target.

Alligators have an extra protective membrane over their eyes (and under their eyelids) called a nictitating membrane. This membrane reflexively moves to protect their eyes when they feel something might touch their eye. This membrane allows them to keep their eyes open under water without irritation. I would expect it to also protect them from irritant spray.

The gators can also close their nostrils, perhaps minimizing irritation from a spray, and they have a large muscle that closes off their throat so they can open their mouth under water to attack prey.

In addition, if you spray a gator when it is in the water, it can quickly submerge to wash off the spray, and return.

You might want to review the Florida Fish and Wildlife brochure on "Living with alligators."

http://myfwc.com/media/152524/Alligator-Brochure.pdf

[OhioBuckeye]

If you let your dog out to do their business after dark, just make sure it's a Pit Bull. Coyotes have been know to take a pet owners dog even while on a leach. I used to hunt coyotes when I lived in Ohio. They're very quick. They can snatch a dog or cat before you even hardly see them.

[Sandtrap328]

If you let your dog out to do their business after dark, just make sure it's a Pit Bull. Coyotes have been know to take a pet owners dog even while on a leach. I used to hunt coyotes when I lived in Ohio. They're very quick. They can snatch a dog or cat before you even hardly see them.

True, HOWEVER, none of the dogs taken by coyotes in The Villages have been on leashes!

100% of the blame goes on the owners who let the dog out without a leash.

[gap2415]

You would only get one chance to see if it deterred gators; I wouldn't rely on it. :evil6:
But unless you fall out of the kayak, you shouldn't have to worry. I haven't read about gators taking kayakers.

In SW Florida, I looked out my window and saw a canoe going by in the water. A gator was trying to bite the end of it. Lots of gators lived on a wee island nearby and were exceptionally huge. I think they got irritated by all the boat traffic and it was Spring...mating time. The guy got away and I never saw him out there again. Some gators are bigger than kayaks.

[CFrance]

Last whiz before bed--very short leash and just far enough off the driveway to reach the neighbor's side yard.

Ha ha KIDDING!!! Seriously, I and our very large, easily overheated dog used to take long walks after dark. But we don't anymore thanks to the beneficial information on TOTV and the online news about sightings and precautions to take.

[chuck90199]

Saw this on Facebook...

[Chi-Town]

Saw this on Facebook...That is LOL hilarious.

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[Henryk]

In a way, that's too funny for words. In another way, Eek! :shocked:

[Chi-Town]

Just thinking that it took all night to get it clean and then resting comfortably on a bed cracks me up. Somebody has a great sense of humor. No collar and a little aggressive. That is funny!

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[CFrance]

That is LOL hilarious.

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If you liked that, Google "Woman convinces husband she's adopted a coyote." I can't get an exact link to post for some reason. It's a text thread between her and her husband. Language disclaimer: a little rough. But hilarious.

It's also posted in Bored Panda, one of my favorite sites, but I think you have to join. (It's free and a safe site I've been visiting for years. Some wonderful photog.)

[Chi-Town]

If you liked that, Google "Woman convinces husband she's adopted a coyote." I can't get an exact link to post for some reason. It's a text thread between her and her husband. Language disclaimer: a little rough. But hilarious.

It's also posted in Bored Panda, one of my favorite sites, but I think you have to join. (It's free and a safe site I've been visiting for years. Some wonderful photog.)Those texts were a hoot. Pretty elaborate with Photoshop and a fun script. She was convincing, The photo with the coyote sitting next to their child on the couch was priceless.

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[Barefoot]

If you liked that, Google "Woman convinces husband she's adopted a coyote." I can't get an exact link to post for some reason. It's a text thread between her and her husband. Language disclaimer: a little rough. But hilarious.
I needed a laugh so I just googled it, absolutely hilarious. I haven't laughed that hard in a very long time!

[Mrs. Robinson]

I completely lost it when I read she named him "Spot!"

[CFrance]

I completely lost it when I read she named him "Spot!"
Me too!

[OhioBuckeye]

Oh, I think you're mistaken. I think some lady in the village of Charlotte had her Yorkie or a pet about that size on a leash & she didn't have a good hold on it & a I'm pretty sure a coyote that was hiding behind some bushes snatched it. I think that was only about 2 1/2 months ago. I had a coyote snatch my backpack that was sitting beside a tree where I was hunting from. I took a shot at it & missed & the coyote dropped it because it was to heavy to run away with. This report I'm talking about was in our Charlotte area news. Maybe this was a first!

[Sandtrap328]

Oh, I think you're mistaken. I think some lady in the village of Charlotte had her Yorkie or a pet about that size on a leash & she didn't have a good hold on it & a I'm pretty sure a coyote that was hiding behind some bushes snatched it. I think that was only about 2 1/2 months ago. I had a coyote snatch my backpack that was sitting beside a tree where I was hunting from. I took a shot at it & missed & the coyote dropped it because it was to heavy to run away with. This report I'm talking about was in our Charlotte area news. Maybe this was a first!

Link it, please.

[Steve Y]

What is your village? I have 2 toy poodles and I am concerned about the coyotes

[rivaridger1]

Can anyone comment on whether a coyote would be able to come through the bottom screen on a lanai to snatch a pet ?

[New Englander]

Can anyone comment on whether a coyote would be able to come through the bottom screen on a lanai to snatch a pet ?

I would say yes it could easily.

[JSR22]

I would say yes it could easily.

I remember last winter a coyote broke through a screened lanai facing a golf course and took a cat.

[Chi-Town]

I remember last winter a coyote broke through a screened lanai facing a golf course and took a cat.
I think that was just hearsay from Tal. I also heard it was a bobcat.

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[CFrance]

I think that was just hearsay from Tal. I also heard it was a bobcat.

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I think it was also conjecture/assumption on the cat owner's part. Nobody saw it happen.

[JSR22]

I think it was also conjecture/assumption on the cat owner's part. Nobody saw it happen.

I am pretty sure it happened in Bonita on the Havana course.

[CFrance]

I am pretty sure it happened in Bonita on the Havana course.
I agree that it did happen. But nobody witnessed it, so the predator type is not known for sure.

[JSR22]

I was under the impression there were paw prints in the lanai.

[CFrance]

I was under the impression there were paw prints in the lanai.
I did not hear that.

I agree it's feasible. But really, I would call this operator error for leaving a pet unattended and vulnerable.

We've all been warned, in the papers and by the sheriff's office.

[JSR22]

I did not hear that.

I agree it's feasible. But really, I would call this operator error for leaving a pet unattended and vulnerable.

We've all been warned, in the papers and by the sheriff's office.

100% owners fault. This happened because the cat was allowed on a screened in lanai on its own at night. I get furious with irresponsible pet owners.

[CFrance]

100% owners fault. This happened because the cat was allowed on a screened in lanai on its own at night. I get furious with irresponsible pet owners.
I do too. This type of thing has been reported for years now. People think it won't happen to them and then get angry with tV for not "doing something about it."

If I had a little dog who had to be let out after dark, he would be on a short leash and I would be armed with a strong light and an air horn.

Our big dogs only go a few feet from the front door for their last night outing. All outside lights on, and we use four-foot leashes. I'm frankly scared for what might happen.

[JSR22]

I do too. This type of thing has been reported for years now. People think it won't happen to them and then get angry with tV for not "doing something about it."

If I had a little dog who had to be let out after dark, he would be on a short leash and I would be armed with a strong light and an air horn.

Our big dogs only go a few feet from the front door for their last night outing. All outside lights on, and we use four-foot leashes. I'm frankly scared for what might happen.

Our dogs wear lit blinking collars, 4 foot leashes, we have extremely bright flashlights and I have golf balls in my hand. they weigh 25 and 30.

[rubrocks]

saw one tonight,on mangrove number six by the pond!

[Mrs. Robinson]

Our dogs wear lit blinking collars, 4 foot leashes, we have extremely bright flashlights and I have golf balls in my hand. they weigh 25 and 30.


Wow. 25 and 30 pound golf balls!
They sure would do some damage!!?!
:a20:

[manaboutown]

Wow. 25 and 30 pound golf balls!
They sure would do some damage!!?!
:a20:

:eek::mademyday:

[Carl in Tampa]

Wow. 25 and 30 pound golf balls!
They sure would do some damage!!?!
:a20:

I thought the same thing.

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[Bobcuse]

I haven't heard about any coyotes in the area of the Savannah Center. Just curious as I walk my dog (leashed) early mornings on fairly well lighted streets but still nervous.

[manaboutown]

Wow. 25 and 30 pound golf balls!
They sure would do some damage!!?!
:a20:

Wonder if they are made of depleted Uranium?

[Taltarzac725]

I think that was just hearsay from Tal. I also heard it was a bobcat.

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This was a few years ago in Lynnhaven and I could go talk to the neighbors where this happened. It was a bobcat from the print on the ground. This was at two houses a few houses apart on Saluda Street. I do have a friend who is a friend of one of these homeowners on Saluda Street.

The bobcat has not been seen for a few years. It got a third cat about a mile away. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1104338-post159.html

[Boomer]

Dogs can tell time.

Herding dogs know what time to bring in the sheep or cattle.

The dogs who share our homes quickly learn our schedules.

Our last dog knew what time she was supposed to get her arthritis pill and she never let us forget.

My point is that our pets are canis familiaris and coyotes are canis latrans.

That sweet dog of yours loves you dearly and is loyal and true, and knows your schedule and makes it his own. -- BUT your dog has some opportunistic, street-savvy, shirttail cousins who do not have nice manners. -- Those cousins can tell time, even better than your dog because those cousins have to survive on their own.

Therefore, be aware when you routinely take your dog outside -- just in case one of those tacky relatives knows what time to hang around.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Dogs can tell time.

Herding dogs know what time to bring in the sheep or cattle.

The dogs who share our homes quickly learn our schedules.

Our last dog knew what time she was supposed to get her arthritis pill and she never let us forget.

My point is that our pets are canis familiaris and coyotes are canis latrans.

That sweet dog of yours loves you dearly and is loyal and true, and knows your schedule and makes it his own. -- BUT your dog has some opportunistic, street-savvy, shirttail cousins who do not have nice manners. -- Those cousins can tell time, even better than your dog because those cousins have to survive on their own.

Therefore, be aware when you routinely take your dog outside -- just in case one of those tacky relatives knows what time to hang around.

Yes, Boomer, and the key to what you've said is "routine."

Forewarned is forearmed.
Dog owners who are nervous might think about changing their walk routine, i.e., where they walk and at what time.

[Kazmi]

Dogs can tell time.

Herding dogs know what time to bring in the sheep or cattle.

The dogs who share our homes quickly learn our schedules.

Our last dog knew what time she was supposed to get her arthritis pill and she never let us forget.

My point is that our pets are canis familiaris and coyotes are canis latrans.

That sweet dog of yours loves you dearly and is loyal and true, and knows your schedule and makes it his own. -- BUT your dog has some opportunistic, street-savvy, shirttail cousins who do not have nice manners. -- Those cousins can tell time, even better than your dog because those cousins have to survive on their own.

Therefore, be aware when you routinely take your dog outside -- just in case one of those tacky relatives knows what time to hang around.

Good advice! thank you