Lying to the FBI is never a good idea.

[mellincf]

A former foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, George Papadopoulos, secretly pleaded guilty as part of Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He pleaded guilty to making false statements during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

It would seem to be a very good bet that Papadopoulous already has flipped. (The plea deal’s sentence recommendation begins at “zero” months, which is a tell.)

The initial White House reaction to the news about Paul Manafort was that everything happened years ago, and what the hell is Mueller doing? Now, we have a completed legal proceeding containing the words “Trump campaign,” “Russia,” and “disparaging information on Hillary Clinton.”

-Charles Pierce

[jebartle]

As the plot thickens!

[Paper1]

A former foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, George Papadopoulos, secretly pleaded guilty as part of Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He pleaded guilty to making false statements during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

It would seem to be a very good bet that Papadopoulous already has flipped. (The plea deal’s sentence recommendation begins at “zero” months, which is a tell.)

The initial White House reaction to the news about Paul Manafort was that everything happened years ago, and what the hell is Mueller doing? Now, we have a completed legal proceeding containing the words “Trump campaign,” “Russia,” and “disparaging information on Hillary Clinton.”

-Charles Pierce
Actually lying to the FBI, Senate, or House of Representatives has become quite fashionable. I don’t think your concern is warranted.

[Rockyrd]

Actually lying to the FBI, Senate, or House of Representatives has become quite fashionable. I don’t think your concern is warranted.

What is this based on ? Actually.

This forum seems to be loaded with people who just simply know things...throw them out in a snide comment with never ever any substantiation or substance.

Why would anyone want to do that ?

[Love2Swim]

What is this based on ? Actually.

This forum seems to be loaded with people who just simply know things...throw them out in a snide comment with never ever any substantiation or substance.

Why would anyone want to do that ?

That's the problem. They don't really know anything, but they want to appear like they do. They are uniformed or just not too bright. I think we will see a lot of Trump supporters "acting out", as things close in on their cult leader. I just ignore the snide remarks. As they say, you can't argue with stupid.

[Rockyrd]

That's the problem. They don't really know anything, but they want to appear like they do. They are uniformed or just not too bright. I think we will see a lot of Trump supporters "acting out", as things close in on their cult leader. I just ignore the snide remarks. As they say, you can't argue with stupid.

You are right but these idiots are sitting in Mama's basement or somewhere else all by themselves thinking how smart they are when they manifest their lack of anything right here.

I just do not understand why people would want to do that...perhaps at some point, you have no pride.

I just do not like the idea of idiots like this feeling they might know something, when they are in fact, in the words of this poster...CLUELESS.

I have been on this forum from the beginning when you validated your thoughts with some sharing of links or your reading.

It is difficult to now read people who obviously do not read, OR...read and listen to YOUTUBE exclusively.

I care about the country and these ignorant people actually are allowed to vote. That phoney voter commission (now itself under investigation should look into these people)

"The work of President Trump's commission studying voter fraud and other voting problems has been stalled by the eight lawsuits filed against it, according to one commission member."

'Nothing Going On' With Trump Voter Fraud Commission Due To Multiple Lawsuits : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2017/10/26/560089042/nothing-going-on-with-trump-voter-fraud-commission-due-to-multiple-lawsuits)

"President Donald Trump’s voter fraud commission is facing mounting criticism from Democratic members on the panel who have questioned the group’s purpose and claimed they don’t even know when the group will meet next.

Several Democrats on the Election Integrity Commission said the work has stalled, and internal communication has slowed to a trickle since the panel held its first meeting in July.

“The reality is, I don’t know anymore now than I knew three months ago,” said Alan King, a probate judge in Alabama and one of the commission’s Democratic members."

What’s become of Trump’s voter fraud commission? Even some of its members aren’t sure | PBS NewsHour (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/whats-become-of-trumps-voter-fraud-commission-even-some-of-its-members-arent-sure)

"A Maryland man arrested this week after authorities said they found child pornography on his cellphone worked for President Trump’s voter fraud commission, according to a senior administration official."

Trump voter fraud commission researcher arrested on child pornography charges - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/10/14/trump-voter-fraud-commission-researcher-arrested-on-child-pornography-charges/?utm_term=.466eda2e318a)

That last link was just to be nasty.....what a tremendous waste of our money this is.

[mellincf]

President Trump has no fact-based defense. The soap-bubble distractions floated by Fox News and in-the-tank pundits—Uranium One! Dossier!—pop as soon as they meet bright sunlight. Trump has already confessed on national television that he fired Comey to shut down the Russia inquiry. The Papadopoulos indictment brings forth still more evidence that Trump feared the Russia inquiry because of the contacts it might uncover between his campaign and Russia.

[Taltarzac725]

President Trump has no fact-based defense. The soap-bubble distractions floated by Fox News and in-the-tank pundits—Uranium One! Dossier!—pop as soon as they meet bright sunlight. Trump has already confessed on national television that he fired Comey to shut down the Russia inquiry. The Papadopoulos indictment brings forth still more evidence that Trump feared the Russia inquiry because of the contacts it might uncover between his campaign and Russia.

Seems obvious to me but I voted for Hillary Clinton.

[Rockyrd]

President Trump has no fact-based defense. The soap-bubble distractions floated by Fox News and in-the-tank pundits—Uranium One! Dossier!—pop as soon as they meet bright sunlight. Trump has already confessed on national television that he fired Comey to shut down the Russia inquiry. The Papadopoulos indictment brings forth still more evidence that Trump feared the Russia inquiry because of the contacts it might uncover between his campaign and Russia.

We'll, we have no idea where this goes, but....

There is no law against an un patriotic, egoist, con artist to sit in the Oval Office.

I only say this because I have no idea where it goes, but why would a President be so adamantly opposed to an investigation of Russian attacking our democratic process, and in fact publicly refer to them as a hoax.

You are correct...the Papadopoulos revelation seems to fly in the face of the statements that nobody from the campaign ever consulted with the Russians. Seeing the pictures of he with Trump and Sessions is chilling.

Still a long way away to go, but today was bigger than I thought. This will go on for a bit.

[Nucky]

Do you know what FBI stands for? :posting:



Forever Bothering Italians! Take It Easy! Forgetaboutit!



I put everybody on my ignore list except one person.:throwtomatoes:



Where are all the heavy weights today? Mueller was on the Boat Ride at LSL today! He is moving to Fenney!

[Topspinmo]

Unless your high powered democrat when the FBI ran by democrat hack. No worries.

[Don Baldwin]

What is this based on ? Actually.

This forum seems to be loaded with people who just simply know things...throw them out in a snide comment with never ever any substantiation or substance.

Why would anyone want to do that ?

Because they THINK they're right?

That's the problem. They don't really know anything, but they want to appear like they do. They are uniformed or just not too bright. I think we will see a lot of Trump supporters "acting out", as things close in on their cult leader. I just ignore the snide remarks. As they say, you can't argue with stupid.

Yup...no arguing with you...

[rubicon]

The title of this thread is "Lying to the FBI is never a good idea." I would concur. But my rejoinder is "if it is ever a good idea when the FBI does the lying."

The truth about independent/special counsel is that they are given unlimited time and resources and as such set out to find something, anything, and in that I find too much opportunity for abuse of power. Past special counsel investigations have destroyed many an innocent life. What we have here is a political weapon to destroy the other guy. I am inclined , and while not an perfect solution, prefer an investigation by Congress such as that with House Intelligence Committee. etc.

However, if this nation is going to continue with a special counsel then by all means apply the same standards.

Evidence continues to surface concerning the uranium deal and the implications are far more reaching and criminal in nature than the allegations presently being pursued by Mueller.

if the allegations are proven to be true and factual concerning any person named in either of these imbroglios then let them suffer the consequences

But not let this turn into a political weapon but rather a non-partisan search for the truth .

Personal Best Regards:

[dirtbanker]

Seems obvious to me but I voted for Hillary Clinton.Yeah Crooked Hillary never lied to the FBI...

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[Love2Swim]

The title of this thread is "Lying to the FBI is never a good idea." I would concur. But my rejoinder is "if it is ever a good idea when the FBI does the lying."

The truth about independent/special counsel is that they are given unlimited time and resources and as such set out to find something, anything, and in that I find too much opportunity for abuse of power. Past special counsel investigations have destroyed many an innocent life. What we have here is a political weapon to destroy the other guy. I am inclined , and while not an perfect solution, prefer an investigation by Congress such as that with House Intelligence Committee. etc.

However, if this nation is going to continue with a special counsel then by all means apply the same standards.

Evidence continues to surface concerning the uranium deal and the implications are far more reaching and criminal in nature than the allegations presently being pursued by Mueller.

if the allegations are proven to be true and factual concerning any person named in either of these imbroglios then let them suffer the consequences

But not let this turn into a political weapon but rather a non-partisan search for the truth .

Personal Best Regards:

The supposed uranium deal has been debunked numerous times, check out scopes.com

I'd be willing to bet you people wouldn't be complaining so much about Mueller if the special counsel was investigating Hillary. Interesting that with a Republican Congress and Republican President, there is no special counsel investigating her. Obviously there is not a legal cause to appoint one.Trump has always used this "supposed" Hillary misconduct to rally his base, and take the focus off his own misbehavior. Your sob story about destroying an innocent life just doesn't hold true. I look at all the lies Trump has told - from his "birther" fabrications, right on down the line. He is a lying, conniving person, and the Republican base eats it right up.

Personal Best Regards:

[Jack9696]

Yeah Crooked Hillary never lied to the FBI...

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkAll the dems have lied to FBI, but the FBI was in on it. Let's see how it plays out.

[Taltarzac725]

The supposed uranium deal has been debunked numerous times, check out scopes.com

I'd be willing to bet you people wouldn't be complaining so much about Mueller if the special counsel was investigating Hillary. Interesting that with a Republican Congress and Republican President, there is no special counsel investigating her. Obviously there is not a legal cause to appoint one.Trump has always used this "supposed" Hillary misconduct to rally his base, and take the focus off his own misbehavior. Your sob story about destroying an innocent life just doesn't hold true. I look at all the lies Trump has told - from his "birther" fabrications, right on down the line. He is a lying, conniving person, and the Republican base eats it right up.

Personal Best Regards:

His polling is getting worse and worse. And the people at CNN seem to smell blood as do those at CBS National News. Had not seen the other major news channels but I will bet they are all starting to kick at that wall holding up Trumpty Dumpty.

[Jack9696]

His polling is getting worse and worse. And the people at CNN seem to smell blood as do those at CBS National News.Like the election polls...... ;)

[dirtbanker]

The supposed uranium deal has been debunked numerous times, check out scopes.com

I'd be willing to bet you people wouldn't be complaining so much about Mueller if the special counsel was investigating Hillary. Interesting that with a Republican Congress and Republican President, there is no special counsel investigating her. Obviously there is not a legal cause to appoint one.Trump has always used this "supposed" Hillary misconduct to rally his base, and take the focus off his own misbehavior. Your sob story about destroying an innocent life just doesn't hold true. I look at all the lies Trump has told - from his "birther" fabrications, right on down the line. He is a lying, conniving person, and the Republican base eats it right up.

Personal Best Regards:Nice footer...just like the (unts...hmmm

Oh and definitely check out "scopes"...you, and Rockface, are so much smarter than the rest on here!

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[ColdNoMore]

Like the election polls......

You mean like the 3,000,000 more American citizens...that voted for Clinton than Trump?


Is that what you meant? :popcorn:

[Jack9696]

You mean like the 3,000,000 more American citizens...that voted for Clinton than Trump?


Is that what you meant? :popcorn:Trouble is liberals don't like law and order. The poll that counted there was the electoral college, but of course you knew I was referring to the media election polls. You're smart right? You get it?

[Taltarzac725]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/members/jack9696-64433/

This person has a few hundred posts and most of those look like criminal harassment of me on the Political Forum of Talk of the Villages.

[ColdNoMore]

Trouble is liberals don't like law and order. The poll that counted there was the electoral college, but of course you knew I was referring to the media election polls. You're smart right? You get it?

Ohh, silly me.


You're talking about the polls showing Chump's approval rating as being the lowest in history...at this point in his presidency? :D


Trump's approval rating hits record lows in two big polls (http://m.theweek.com/speedreads/734283/trumps-approval-rating-hits-record-lows-two-big-polls)

On Monday, President Trump hit a new low in Gallup's three-day polling average, at 33 percent approval and 62 percent disapproval, a 29-point favorability deficit.

Since Dwight D. Eisenhower, only two presidents have ever recorded Gallup numbers that low: Richard Nixon and George W. Bush. In an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Sunday, Trump also hit a new low, 38 percent approval and 58 percent disapproval, a sharp decline from September.

My apologies for the confusion. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Taltarzac725]

Ohh, silly me.


You're talking about the polls showing Chump's approval rating as being the lowest in history...at this point in his presidency? :D


Trump's approval rating hits record lows in two big polls (http://m.theweek.com/speedreads/734283/trumps-approval-rating-hits-record-lows-two-big-polls)


My apologies for the confusion. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

It will probably be getting a lot worse. Cannot say I would like Mike Pence much better but maybe he will be implicated too. Then who would we have?

[Don Baldwin]

You mean like the 3,000,000 more American citizens...that voted for Clinton than Trump?


Is that what you meant? :popcorn:

3 million "illegal anchor baby" votes. Not a very good showing considering there are so many of them here:

"1 in 8 children in California schools have an undocumented parent "

"Illegal Immigration Costs California $30.3 Billion A Year—17.7% Of State Budget"

"But this article focuses specifically on California, which is home to an estimated 27% of America’s illegal aliens."

"How Many Illegal Immigrants Are In The US? California?

In all honesty, no one really knows.

They’re undocumented. That’s the whole point.

Estimates are wide-ranging. On the low end, Pew Research estimates that the number of illegal immigrants in the US is roughly 11.1 million—this number tracks fairly closely with official government figures.

On the high end, estimates peg the number of illegal aliens in the US at roughly 30 million people"

"According to the Migration Policy Institute, there are 3,019,000 adult illegal immigrants living in the state of California. On top of this are 1.1 million children of illegal immigrants (975,000 of which would be considered anchor babies)."

"Simply put, the statistics show that illegal immigrants dramatically increase crime rates.

Beyond that, illegal immigrants are highly over-represented in murder charges, committing 38% of all murders in California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York."

"According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, an estimated 73% of children of illegal immigrants were citizens in 2008, up from 63% in 2003. A total of 3.8 million illegal immigrants had at least one child who is an American citizen."

"American-born children of immigrants — including those born to illegal immigrants — are automatically awarded U.S. citizenship and are therefore eligible for all welfare programs at birth. These programs include Medicaid, cash assistance, subsidized housing, disability benefits, WIC, free or reduced-cost school lunches, and food stamps."

"The nation's welfare system is designed in large part to aid low-income workers with children. Because we have opened our southern border to a rising tide of low-income workers with children — including hundreds of thousands carrying children in utero — we risk bankrupting our welfare system. Stopping this exploitation should be an imperative of all presidential candidates, not just the ones who are politically incorrect enough to call it for what it is."



Ohh, silly me.


You're talking about the polls showing Chump's approval rating as being the lowest in history...at this point in his presidency? :D


Trump's approval rating hits record lows in two big polls (http://m.theweek.com/speedreads/734283/trumps-approval-rating-hits-record-lows-two-big-polls)


My apologies for the confusion. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Really? Polls? You look at/believe the polls?

You ARE being silly.

[Jack9696]

3 million "illegal anchor baby" votes. Not a very good showing considering there are so many of them here:

"1 in 8 children in California schools have an undocumented parent "

"Illegal Immigration Costs California $30.3 Billion A Year—17.7% Of State Budget"

"But this article focuses specifically on California, which is home to an estimated 27% of America’s illegal aliens."

"How Many Illegal Immigrants Are In The US? California?

In all honesty, no one really knows.

They’re undocumented. That’s the whole point.

Estimates are wide-ranging. On the low end, Pew Research estimates that the number of illegal immigrants in the US is roughly 11.1 million—this number tracks fairly closely with official government figures.

On the high end, estimates peg the number of illegal aliens in the US at roughly 30 million people"

"According to the Migration Policy Institute, there are 3,019,000 adult illegal immigrants living in the state of California. On top of this are 1.1 million children of illegal immigrants (975,000 of which would be considered anchor babies)."

"Simply put, the statistics show that illegal immigrants dramatically increase crime rates.

Beyond that, illegal immigrants are highly over-represented in murder charges, committing 38% of all murders in California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York."

"According to a Pew Hispanic Center report, an estimated 73% of children of illegal immigrants were citizens in 2008, up from 63% in 2003. A total of 3.8 million illegal immigrants had at least one child who is an American citizen."

"American-born children of immigrants — including those born to illegal immigrants — are automatically awarded U.S. citizenship and are therefore eligible for all welfare programs at birth. These programs include Medicaid, cash assistance, subsidized housing, disability benefits, WIC, free or reduced-cost school lunches, and food stamps."

"The nation's welfare system is designed in large part to aid low-income workers with children. Because we have opened our southern border to a rising tide of low-income workers with children — including hundreds of thousands carrying children in utero — we risk bankrupting our welfare system. Stopping this exploitation should be an imperative of all presidential candidates, not just the ones who are politically incorrect enough to call it for what it is."





Really? Polls? You look at/believe the polls?

You ARE being silly.Seems many green card holders have registered to vote and voted before becoming citizens. The really interesting part is this fact is self reported by those too stupid to know it's illegal. Imagine how many others don't self report????

[Love2Swim]

You mean like the 3,000,000 more American citizens...that voted for Clinton than Trump?


Is that what you meant? :popcorn:

:coolsmiley:

[wjboyer1]

trouble is liberals don't like law and order. The poll that counted there was the electoral college, but of course you knew i was referring to the media election polls. You're smart right? You get it?

72296

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[Jack9696]

72296

72297The criminality by the Obama administration is beyond your comprehension. Wait.

[Rockyrd]

It will probably be getting a lot worse. Cannot say I would like Mike Pence much better but maybe he will be implicated too. Then who would we have?

"The man who helped put Mike Pence a heartbeat away from the presidency is now facing federal charges.

Paul Manafort, who was hit Monday with 12 counts tied to alleged financial schemes, pushed for Pence to become Trump's running mate and even managed to talk Trump out of his doubts. As the Trump administration now works to distance itself from Manafort, his Pence pick stands among the best evidence of his impact as Trump's short-lived campaign manager.

Before Trump formally announced Pence as his vice presidential candidate, it was Manafort who made sure it happened, The New York Times reported last year. "




Mike Pence Could Be the Next President and He Was Handpicked by Paul Manafort (http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412)

[Rockyrd]

The criminality by the Obama administration is beyond your comprehension. Wait.

FOR ?

Are all your post just this stupid nonsense ?

[mellincf]

The criminality by the Obama administration is beyond your comprehension. Wait.

I have to laugh when people think they can lecture Obama on the law. Obama, a Magna cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law and professor of Constitutional Law for years, knows more about the law than all of Congress put together.

Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School (https://www.law.uchicago.edu/media)


Obama Left Mark on HLS |

News |

The Harvard Crimson (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/)

[Jack9696]

I have to laugh when people think they can lecture Obama on the law. Obama, a Magna cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law and professor of Constitutional Law for years, knows more about the law than all of Congress put together.

Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School (https://www.law.uchicago.edu/media)


Obama Left Mark on HLS |

News |

The Harvard Crimson (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/)Who is lecturing OBAMA? Do you have a clue to what you are even saying?

Maybe you are trying to say people that know the law are incapable of violating it?

If course the truth is, a smart criminal is the most effective.

[Don Baldwin]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-political-talk-88/72296-lying-fbi-never-good-idea-criminalactivities-presidentialstaff-jpg

What about HW Bush and Ford?

They are the same as the democrats.

Why such a short time span? To fit what you wanted to show? A suggestion that ONLY the republican administrations have corruption?

[Don Baldwin]

I have to laugh when people think they can lecture Obama on the law. Obama, a Magna cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law and professor of Constitutional Law for years, knows more about the law than all of Congress put together.

Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School (https://www.law.uchicago.edu/media)


Obama Left Mark on HLS |

News |

The Harvard Crimson (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/)

Do you KNOW what it takes to get Magna cum Laude at Harvard? A C- average. That's right...

"All candidates for degrees with honors must have satisfactory letter grades (C– or higher) in a minimum of 96 letter-graded credits (prorated appropriately for students graduating with fewer than 128 credits passed at Harvard)."

Requirements for Honors Degrees | Harvard College Handbook for Students (https://handbook.fas.harvard.edu/book/requirements-honors-degrees)

You don't have to do SH!T to get Magna cum Laude at Harvard. Barely pass and get someone to recommend you.

Everything else about him is political too.

[Taltarzac725]

I have to laugh when people think they can lecture Obama on the law. Obama, a Magna cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law and professor of Constitutional Law for years, knows more about the law than all of Congress put together.

Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School (https://www.law.uchicago.edu/media)


Obama Left Mark on HLS |

News |

The Harvard Crimson (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/)

Obama looks great in comparison to Donald John Trump. I was no fan of Joe Biden however.

[billethkid]

I have to laugh when people think they can lecture Obama on the law. Obama, a Magna cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law and professor of Constitutional Law for years, knows more about the law than all of Congress put together.

Media Inquiries | University of Chicago Law School (https://www.law.uchicago.edu/media)


Obama Left Mark on HLS |

News |

The Harvard Crimson (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/)

Not intended to sound or be racist...just an observation...and who knows it mat well be factual....

Obama is an expert at exploiting being the token minority statistical opportunity that fills out an organizations requirement to demonstrate diversity adherence.

For example what did he do to get his nobel peace prize? He was a black POTUS.

Does not mean or assure caliber of intelligence or knowledge or capability.

Similar to the watering down of standards in our schools today where the concept of no failures is promoted.
Everybody passes. Under achievers and non achievers get the same honors and documents.

Flaunting Obama's expertise is nothing more than parroting....it is not based on knowledge.

I know this will be turned into a racial debate....it is not racial. It is what has been happening and has been happening in America.

[Love2Swim]

Do you KNOW what it takes to get Magna cum Laude at Harvard? A C- average. That's right...

"All candidates for degrees with honors must have satisfactory letter grades (C– or higher) in a minimum of 96 letter-graded credits (prorated appropriately for students graduating with fewer than 128 credits passed at Harvard)."

Requirements for Honors Degrees | Harvard College Handbook for Students (https://handbook.fas.harvard.edu/book/requirements-honors-degrees)

You don't have to do SH!T to get Magna cum Laude at Harvard. Barely pass and get someone to recommend you.

Everything else about him is political too.

Jesus Christ, get your facts straight. You are quoting something for Harvard College, not Harvard Law School. And there are 3 different honors - Summa Cum Laude, Magna Cum Laude, and just Honors.


Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available) in 1991. He also was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, a very prestigious honor.

On the other hand, Trump lied about being first in his class at Wharton. He did graduate after transferring in, not based on his marks, but because his family had "connections". He did not graduate at the head of his class, or with honors.

Anyone with a brain can listen to Obama and to Trump, and tell which one is the educated one. And no, it is not the orange guy that gets all his information from Breibart and Fox News.

[Don Baldwin]

Jesus Christ, get your facts straight. You are quoting something for Harvard College, not Harvard Law School. And there are 3 different honors - Summa Cum Laude, Magna Cum Laude, and just Honors.


Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available) in 1991. He also was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, a very prestigious honor.

On the other hand, Trump lied about being first in his class at Wharton. He did graduate after transferring in, not based on his marks, but because his family had "connections". He did not graduate at the head of his class, or with honors.

Anyone with a brain can listen to Obama and to Trump, and tell which one is the educated one. And no, it is not the orange guy that gets all his information from Breibart and Fox News.

"Graduation with Honors

1. A student who completes the requirements for the J.D. degree with distinction will receive the degree cum laude, magna cum laude, or summa cum laude.

5. The magna cum laude will be awarded to the next ten percent of the entire class.

6. The cum laude will be awarded to the next 30 percent of the entire class."

It seems half the class gets some kind of latin award. So, what is it worth?

Harvard Law Review

"Sixteen editors shall be selected through a holistic but anonymous review that takes into account all available information."

He got in for political reasons.

[rubicon]

The supposed uranium deal has been debunked numerous times, check out scopes.com

I'd be willing to bet you people wouldn't be complaining so much about Mueller if the special counsel was investigating Hillary. Interesting that with a Republican Congress and Republican President, there is no special counsel investigating her. Obviously there is not a legal cause to appoint one.Trump has always used this "supposed" Hillary misconduct to rally his base, and take the focus off his own misbehavior. Your sob story about destroying an innocent life just doesn't hold true. I look at all the lies Trump has told - from his "birther" fabrications, right on down the line. He is a lying, conniving person, and the Republican base eats it right up.

Personal Best Regards:

I cannot ID you but I m sure even with your use of PBR, you are not me.:D

You reference scopes.com, a site that usually deals with grammar, etc as your citation, but, I wonder if you meant to write snopes.com? If your intent was snopes.com then their claim lacks reliability and henc credibility

This site (snopes.com) receives numerous complaints of liberal bias, especially since has has links to CNN, New York Times, etc . Essentially what I am saying is who is fact checking the fact checker?

Their debunking of this story is incredible given that it is a fact that Russia purchased 20% of nations uranium during the Administration of Obama/Clinton the fact that Bill Clinton received $500,000 for a 90 minute speech for the Russians. And, the fact that the Clinton Charitable Foundation received millions of dollars from nefarious sources tied to Russia.

I do not know if these allegation are true or not true but if proven true are criminal in nature.

Yet even if the allegations against Trump, concerning a Russian connection,are true they are not criminal in nature.

Look back at previous Administrations they all have made contact with Russia, China, etc

The special counsel appointment was to stop Trump at all costs because Trump was not suppose to win and the Administrative State ( Deep State, etc) now have a lot of covering up to do because Trump did win and the malfeasance committed by the Establishment can't be swept under the rug ergo the Trump Derangement Syndrome distraction

Personal Best Regards:

Rubicon

[Rockyrd]

I cannot ID you but I m sure even with your use of PBR, you are not me.:D

You reference scopes.com, a site that usually deals with grammar, etc as your citation, but, I wonder if you meant to write snopes.com? If your intent was snopes.com then their claim lacks reliability and henc credibility

This site (snopes.com) receives numerous complaints of liberal bias, especially since has has links to CNN, New York Times, etc . Essentially what I am saying is who is fact checking the fact checker?

Their debunking of this story is incredible given that it is a fact that Russia purchased 20% of nations uranium during the Administration of Obama/Clinton the fact that Bill Clinton received $500,000 for a 90 minute speech for the Russians. And, the fact that the Clinton Charitable Foundation received millions of dollars from nefarious sources tied to Russia.

I do not know if these allegation are true or not true but if proven true are criminal in nature.

Yet even if the allegations against Trump, concerning a Russian connection,are true they are not criminal in nature.

Look back at previous Administrations they all have made contact with Russia, China, etc

The special counsel appointment was to stop Trump at all costs because Trump was not suppose to win and the Administrative State ( Deep State, etc) now have a lot of covering up to do because Trump did win and the malfeasance committed by the Establishment can't be swept under the rug ergo the Trump Derangement Syndrome distraction

Personal Best Regards:

Rubicon

As a long time critic, and opponent of both Clinton's, it bothers me no end when you back me into a corner, because more than political support or non support, I value Truth above all.

You obviously are a Fox fan, a Hannity fan and a fan of Alex Jones.

Your post is innacurate in so much.

First, as a lie of omission, you always, as do your heros I mentioned, that this uranium deal was begun under President Bush. It did not have seeds where you imply it did.

Next, the Nuclear Regulatory Comission approved this deal in 2010. The 20% figure represents of, at that time, current liscense holders to use "in-situ" production., which is simply one of two methods. That 20% has severely reduced with the issuance of more liscenses. The 20% was an ESTIMATE of license holders, not uranium, and has reduced because of more liscenses to less than 10%..

Remember, the original estimate was 20% of liscenses of ONE SINGLE METHOD OF OBTAINING URANIUM. NOT 20% of the uranium.

So, when you tell people that our government sold 20% of our uranium, THAT IS A LIE.

Add to that, nine-member interagency group, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United State, needed to approve this deal. ALL members of that group have stated no Clinton was involved

Point is, you are simply fueling what is wrong in our social media dazed country.

I KNOW that you are getting this incorrect and false information from any of a few extreme, hard right sources. That includes Fox News, by the way. They have completely sold out.

It goes hand in hand with today's congressional hearings where we hear about the Russian...VERIFIED RUSSIAN...involvement in using our extreme right wing internet sites to propel lies, and to instill more hate. That includes inciting hate for our media because they report facts, but are called fake news.

You can determine why these lies continue, and why YOU promulgate them, but you are constantly being told that you are spreading false information while claiming the media lies. Yet you continue to simply use the extreme alt right messages from Fox or others, instead of paying attention to facts coming to you daily in most media outlets, and search for your own facts to balance.

Bottom line, this is one example, that you are living a lie. Nobody but the extreme alt right is saying what you say...everyone else knows it is a lie.

How can you give a crap about our country when you allow yourself to bend to such lies, and how can you pass yourself off as a smart person when you just accept crap.


The repeated, incorrect claim that Russia obtained ‘20 percent of our uranium’ - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-repeated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/?utm_term=.5521c6ac2b88)

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uranium-one-explainer-20171030-story.html)

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uranium-one-explainer-20171030-story.html)

The Hillary Clinton Russia Uranium One Conspiracy Theory Doesn’t Make Any Sense (http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-conspiracy-theory-distraction-trump-russia-694525)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trump-claims--falsely--that-clinton-gave-russia-20-of-us-uranium.html

I just do not understand why you appear not to give a damn about the investigation into Russian attacking us using cyber weapons, or actual traitors to our country. You words and efforts are restricted to defending Trump. You and others just continue to allow him and his minions to lead you around like a child, if he did nothing wrong, this vigorous defense is not needed. His strategy of attacking his critics using the same message does not apply here.

He is the President. I have no idea of what he did or didn't do, but this defense and attacks appear to have a reason. Fox News shouted Mueller credentials and now spend most of the day attacking him. Hannity, etal. have simply lost their minds. Allow this investigation to proceed and see where it goes.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The supposed uranium deal has been debunked numerous times, check out scopes.com

I'd be willing to bet you people wouldn't be complaining so much about Mueller if the special counsel was investigating Hillary. Interesting that with a Republican Congress and Republican President, there is no special counsel investigating her. Obviously there is not a legal cause to appoint one.Trump has always used this "supposed" Hillary misconduct to rally his base, and take the focus off his own misbehavior. Your sob story about destroying an innocent life just doesn't hold true. I look at all the lies Trump has told - from his "birther" fabrications, right on down the line. He is a lying, conniving person, and the Republican base eats it right up.

Personal Best Regards:

It's Snopes not Scopes and it has, itself, been debunked. It has been proven that it cannot be trusted.

Robert Mueller is not investigating a person. He's not investigating the president or the Republican party. He is investigating a series of events. It is entirely possible that he may turn up something on Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

One indictment doesn't mean anything.

[Villagesperson]

It's Snopes not Scopes and it has, itself, been debunked. It has been proven that it cannot be trusted.

Robert Mueller is not investigating a person. He's not investigating the president or the Republican party. He is investigating a series of events. It is entirely possible that he may turn up something on Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

One indictment doesn't mean anything.

DID you read any of the links in the previous post (41) at all ?

[mellincf]

It's Snopes not Scopes and it has, itself, been debunked. It has been proven that it cannot be trusted.

Robert Mueller is not investigating a person. He's not investigating the president or the Republican party. He is investigating a series of events. It is entirely possible that he may turn up something on Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

One indictment doesn't mean anything.

Suddenly the "nothingburger" becomes "doesn't mean anything" and may turn up "something on Hillary Clinton". Apparently you miss the fact that Hillary has been a private citizen for over seven years, has been investigated numerous times by Republicans, and the current Republican Congress has no further interest in all the Russian propaganda and lies about her. She is still being used as a deflection by Fox, but is never mentioned at all in that "main stream media" you are so dismissive of. Fox finds something, anything, to air EXCEPT a reasoned discussion of the Russian investigation. I exempt Shep Smith, the only responsible journalist employed by that "entertainment" channel.

[Jack9696]

Suddenly the "nothingburger" becomes "doesn't mean anything" and may turn up "something on Hillary Clinton". Apparently you miss the fact that Hillary has been a private citizen for over seven years, has been investigated numerous times by Republicans, and the current Republican Congress has no further interest in all the Russian propaganda and lies about her. She is still being used as a deflection by Fox, but is never mentioned at all in that "main stream media" you are so dismissive of. Fox finds something, anything, to air EXCEPT a reasoned discussion of the Russian investigation. I exempt Shep Smith, the only responsible journalist employed by that "entertainment" channel.

Gotta love sheppy, the guy that played the GAY CARD to keep his job.

[rubicon]

As a long time critic, and opponent of both Clinton's, it bothers me no end when you back me into a corner, because more than political support or non support, I value Truth above all.

You obviously are a Fox fan, a Hannity fan and a fan of Alex Jones.

Your post is innacurate in so much.

First, as a lie of omission, you always, as do your heros I mentioned, that this uranium deal was begun under President Bush. It did not have seeds where you imply it did.

Next, the Nuclear Regulatory Comission approved this deal in 2010. The 20% figure represents of, at that time, current liscense holders to use "in-situ" production., which is simply one of two methods. That 20% has severely reduced with the issuance of more liscenses. The 20% was an ESTIMATE of license holders, not uranium, and has reduced because of more liscenses to less than 10%..

Remember, the original estimate was 20% of liscenses of ONE SINGLE METHOD OF OBTAINING URANIUM. NOT 20% of the uranium.

So, when you tell people that our government sold 20% of our uranium, THAT IS A LIE.

Add to that, nine-member interagency group, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United State, needed to approve this deal. ALL members of that group have stated no Clinton was involved

Point is, you are simply fueling what is wrong in our social media dazed country.

I KNOW that you are getting this incorrect and false information from any of a few extreme, hard right sources. That includes Fox News, by the way. They have completely sold out.

It goes hand in hand with today's congressional hearings where we hear about the Russian...VERIFIED RUSSIAN...involvement in using our extreme right wing internet sites to propel lies, and to instill more hate. That includes inciting hate for our media because they report facts, but are called fake news.

You can determine why these lies continue, and why YOU promulgate them, but you are constantly being told that you are spreading false information while claiming the media lies. Yet you continue to simply use the extreme alt right messages from Fox or others, instead of paying attention to facts coming to you daily in most media outlets, and search for your own facts to balance.

Bottom line, this is one example, that you are living a lie. Nobody but the extreme alt right is saying what you say...everyone else knows it is a lie.

How can you give a crap about our country when you allow yourself to bend to such lies, and how can you pass yourself off as a smart person when you just accept crap.


The repeated, incorrect claim that Russia obtained ‘20 percent of our uranium’ - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-repeated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/?utm_term=.5521c6ac2b88)

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uranium-one-explainer-20171030-story.html)

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uranium-one-explainer-20171030-story.html)

The Hillary Clinton Russia Uranium One Conspiracy Theory Doesn’t Make Any Sense (http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-conspiracy-theory-distraction-trump-russia-694525)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trump-claims--falsely--that-clinton-gave-russia-20-of-us-uranium.html

I just do not understand why you appear not to give a damn about the investigation into Russian attacking us using cyber weapons, or actual traitors to our country. You words and efforts are restricted to defending Trump. You and others just continue to allow him and his minions to lead you around like a child, if he did nothing wrong, this vigorous defense is not needed. His strategy of attacking his critics using the same message does not apply here.

He is the President. I have no idea of what he did or didn't do, but this defense and attacks appear to have a reason. Fox News shouted Mueller credentials and now spend most of the day attacking him. Hannity, etal. have simply lost their minds. Allow this investigation to proceed and see where it goes.

My friend I just wrote on another thread that we all come to these pages with our version of the truth.

The uranium deal was done during Obama's Administration with claims of bribes and kickbacks.
We both waste time here because the political winds will never go against the progressives. They can and do commit murder and walk away. Its their right of passage
This imbroglio will never see the light of day.

You make the wrong assumption when you conclude I watch Hannity and Alex Jones because I view neither.

In fact Fox News gets little attention from me;albeit it beats the opposition especially CNN. I refuse to watch much of anything on the alphabet stations news, sit -coms, etc because they are of poor quality.

In summary there is no sense in discussing the true facts of the urnium deal because it will never seriously be investigated as the country is too obsessed and entertained with Trump Derangement Syndrome

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

My friend I just wrote on another thread that we all come to these pages with our version of the truth.

The uranium deal was done during Obama's Administration with claims of bribes and kickbacks.
We both waste time here because the political winds will never go against the progressives. They can and do commit murder and walk away. Its their right of passage
This imbroglio will never see the light of day.

You make the wrong assumption when you conclude I watch Hannity and Alex Jones because I view neither.

In fact Fox News gets little attention from me;albeit it beats the opposition especially CNN. I refuse to watch much of anything on the alphabet stations news, sit -coms, etc because they are of poor quality.

In summary there is no sense in discussing the true facts of the urnium deal because it will never seriously be investigated as the country is too obsessed and entertained with Trump Derangement Syndrome

Personal Best Regards:

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

[Taltarzac725]

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

Keep on trying to get them to see the light. They voted for the con man Donald John Trump and cannot admit that they made a big mistake in doing so.

[Taltarzac725]

As a long time critic, and opponent of both Clinton's, it bothers me no end when you back me into a corner, because more than political support or non support, I value Truth above all.

You obviously are a Fox fan, a Hannity fan and a fan of Alex Jones.

Your post is innacurate in so much.

First, as a lie of omission, you always, as do your heros I mentioned, that this uranium deal was begun under President Bush. It did not have seeds where you imply it did.

Next, the Nuclear Regulatory Comission approved this deal in 2010. The 20% figure represents of, at that time, current liscense holders to use "in-situ" production., which is simply one of two methods. That 20% has severely reduced with the issuance of more liscenses. The 20% was an ESTIMATE of license holders, not uranium, and has reduced because of more liscenses to less than 10%..

Remember, the original estimate was 20% of liscenses of ONE SINGLE METHOD OF OBTAINING URANIUM. NOT 20% of the uranium.

So, when you tell people that our government sold 20% of our uranium, THAT IS A LIE.

Add to that, nine-member interagency group, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United State, needed to approve this deal. ALL members of that group have stated no Clinton was involved

Point is, you are simply fueling what is wrong in our social media dazed country.

I KNOW that you are getting this incorrect and false information from any of a few extreme, hard right sources. That includes Fox News, by the way. They have completely sold out.

It goes hand in hand with today's congressional hearings where we hear about the Russian...VERIFIED RUSSIAN...involvement in using our extreme right wing internet sites to propel lies, and to instill more hate. That includes inciting hate for our media because they report facts, but are called fake news.

You can determine why these lies continue, and why YOU promulgate them, but you are constantly being told that you are spreading false information while claiming the media lies. Yet you continue to simply use the extreme alt right messages from Fox or others, instead of paying attention to facts coming to you daily in most media outlets, and search for your own facts to balance.

Bottom line, this is one example, that you are living a lie. Nobody but the extreme alt right is saying what you say...everyone else knows it is a lie.

How can you give a crap about our country when you allow yourself to bend to such lies, and how can you pass yourself off as a smart person when you just accept crap.


The repeated, incorrect claim that Russia obtained ‘20 percent of our uranium’ - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/31/the-repeated-incorrect-claim-that-russia-obtained-20-percent-of-our-uranium/?utm_term=.5521c6ac2b88)

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uranium-one-explainer-20171030-story.html)

Here's what we know about what Trump calls the 'Uranium to Russia deal' - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-uranium-one-explainer-20171030-story.html)

The Hillary Clinton Russia Uranium One Conspiracy Theory Doesn’t Make Any Sense (http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-conspiracy-theory-distraction-trump-russia-694525)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trump-claims--falsely--that-clinton-gave-russia-20-of-us-uranium.html

I just do not understand why you appear not to give a damn about the investigation into Russian attacking us using cyber weapons, or actual traitors to our country. You words and efforts are restricted to defending Trump. You and others just continue to allow him and his minions to lead you around like a child, if he did nothing wrong, this vigorous defense is not needed. His strategy of attacking his critics using the same message does not apply here.

He is the President. I have no idea of what he did or didn't do, but this defense and attacks appear to have a reason. Fox News shouted Mueller credentials and now spend most of the day attacking him. Hannity, etal. have simply lost their minds. Allow this investigation to proceed and see where it goes.

Thanks for the links.

[Don Baldwin]

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

No rocky...you DON'T list FACTS...you post other peoples opinions.

You want facts? Go to MLK Blvd...go to a black majority school...you'll SEE the facts...they are NOT "us".

Turn off the TV...it's propaganda and entertainment...all of it. This whole uranium thing is a red herring too. Hillary didn't sell our uranium to the russians. Why would she do that? So they could blow up Chelsea?

[Rockyrd]

Keep on trying to get them to see the light. They voted for the con man Donald John Trump and cannot admit that they made a big mistake in doing so.

See, I understand why and how they voted as they did.

BUT, what I fail to understand is the anti american fervor that these people foster. You would think that those who stand behind "make america great again" kind of motto would stand for ideals of America. He did not change as you thought he would....he got worse. His ego is being fed daily now.

Instead they support a very anti american platform of lies, accusations, and an attitude that is tearing this country into pieces.

To proffer untruths as a defense of a man who could care less about our country, is inexcusable. To allow him to lead them by the nose into the world of lies and deception is unforgivable.

I keep thinking how the rest of the world thinks of us. They see the lies, the daily soap opera.....AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.....all generated by this President, nobody else. He is the seed that starts all of this, in recent months to distract from what I think is a vital and important investigation.

Yet, these folks allow him to lead them in a chorus of lies.

[Don Baldwin]

See, I understand why and how they voted as they did.

BUT, what I fail to understand is the anti american fervor that these people foster. You would think that those who stand behind "make america great again" kind of motto would stand for ideals of America. He did not change as you thought he would....he got worse. His ego is being fed daily now.

Instead they support a very anti american platform of lies, accusations, and an attitude that is tearing this country into pieces.

To proffer untruths as a defense of a man who could care less about our country, is inexcusable. To allow him to lead them by the nose into the world of lies and deception is unforgivable.

I keep thinking how the rest of the world thinks of us. They see the lies, the daily soap opera.....AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.....all generated by this President, nobody else. He is the seed that starts all of this, in recent months to distract from what I think is a vital and important investigation.

Yet, these folks allow him to lead them in a chorus of lies.

YOUR "ideals" of America started in the 1960s. America thought VERY differently...rightly so...before then. Blacks weren't people and women stayed home and raised their children. It WORKED...so well that America was #1 in the world. Now...with YOUR "ideals"...America has slipped to #25. It IS time to make America great again. Get women and minorities out of business and politics.

[Taltarzac725]

See, I understand why and how they voted as they did.

BUT, what I fail to understand is the anti american fervor that these people foster. You would think that those who stand behind "make america great again" kind of motto would stand for ideals of America. He did not change as you thought he would....he got worse. His ego is being fed daily now.

Instead they support a very anti american platform of lies, accusations, and an attitude that is tearing this country into pieces.

To proffer untruths as a defense of a man who could care less about our country, is inexcusable. To allow him to lead them by the nose into the world of lies and deception is unforgivable.

I keep thinking how the rest of the world thinks of us. They see the lies, the daily soap opera.....AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.....all generated by this President, nobody else. He is the seed that starts all of this, in recent months to distract from what I think is a vital and important investigation.

Yet, these folks allow him to lead them in a chorus of lies.

They only admit the facts that they want to believe in an ignore the others. Cognitive dissonance.

[Jack9696]

They only admit the facts that they want to believe in an ignore the others. Cognitive dissonance.What is your diagnosis

[rubicon]

Here is the difference.

I offer SUBSTANTIATED FACTS, with no political motive or idol to protect.

You voice OPINIONS which are uniquely and ONLY .reported on the sites I mention, or other sites that report far extreme right wing conspiracies.

THAT IS A FACT, and not an opinion I brought to these pages.

You will do whatever it takes to protect Trump...that simple. You avoid speaking about his lies, you repeat what he tweets, or variations thereof. You DO, despite your saying you do not watch those extreme conspiracy filled sites you don't watch, express in scary duplication, their thoughts and theories.

Why are you NEVER concerned about an attack on our country to disrupt our elections. Why are you not expressing concern at our President for referring to a legitimate and needed investigation as a hoax. Whay, just today, are you not hearing our President take another attack in New York and making it political.

do you hear yourself? I wrote to you that we ALL have our own version of the truth and your reply "here is the difference , I offer SUBSTANTIATE FACT.....:D

My friend the news people are about as reliable and honest as a drunk Uncle. Geezzz Everyone of your posts reads the same, I'm right and I am smarter than you and you and you. Careful it hurts when you fall off or are pushed off your perch

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

do you hear yourself? I wrote to you that we ALL have our own version of the truth and your reply "here is the difference , I offer SUBSTANTIATE FACT.....:D

My friend the news people are about as reliable and honest as a drunk Uncle. Geezzz Everyone of your posts reads the same, I'm right and I am smarter than you and you and you. Careful it hurts when you fall off or are pushed off your perch

Personal Best Regards:

Would you be gentleman enough to supply YOUR SOURCE OR VERSION OF THE TRUTH, as applies here ? I have given a tid bit of mine but can supply much more. I try to give detail, as that seems like the adult honest way to discuss. I will certainly read where I went wrong.

You once used Alex Jones to prove the media was lying and would like to know what in my detailed response was "versionized" and what in your post, which had no links to your "version".

You can tell me what is in error in my links and my post....but you never tell anyone where you get your VERSION OF THE TRUTH.

And that is a new term to me....."version of the truth". Perhaps you could explain that as well.

Now you normally just run away and never respond when I ask you questions but would really like you to be a man and stay and respond. If you feel I am "on a perch" tell me how you came to that response. I never post much without giving back up....YOU NEVER give back up thus it seems maybe a bit mixed up, your accusation.

Allow me to disagree with you on your comment....."Everyone of your posts reads the same, I'm right and I am smarter than you and you and you"......I always check and supply links because I feel just the opposite. I need to be sure and to learn. You, who never supply where you get your information from seem to be much surer than I, who checks everything out from many angles.

[mellincf]

do you hear yourself? I wrote to you that we ALL have our own version of the truth and your reply "here is the difference , I offer SUBSTANTIATE FACT.....:D

My friend the news people are about as reliable and honest as a drunk Uncle. Geezzz Everyone of your posts reads the same, I'm right and I am smarter than you and you and you. Careful it hurts when you fall off or are pushed off your perch

Personal Best Regards: Real journalists work hard, triple check their sources, and are fired if they get it wrong. However, Trump's war on the media has made many people question journalism, and Fox has muddied the waters since it is really NOT a news station but an "entertainment" station (legally) and their pundits like Hannity are not, and don't claim to be, journalists. Fox does have Shep Smith, who is actually a real journalist, but I notice most people who watch Fox despise him. lol.

[Jack9696]

I don't expect Rubicon to ever respond, but to be clear, he is really gone now. He epitomizes my worst fear.

We have a President who has attacked almost ALL American institutions. Today he totally maligned our entire justice department.

I have no clue what Trumps motive might be. For sure, it involves his ego for sure. He has successfully lied about his personal finances, continually violates all ethics rules and thus he just gets richer.

I am not like Rubicon, or his friend Gracie or their friend BTK. I name those three and point them out because I recall all 3 on the original political forum. They expressed conservative views, as I did. I actually considered them allies at that time.

When I came back on here, and read their posts, I mistakenly thought they were simply angry at OBama, and for that reason supported Trump because he was the only alternative.

I find that in all 3 cases, I was absolutely wrong. I won't say they were all extremists wY back, because I do not know. Now, they are all extremists with no doubt. I thought all 3 would simply find how Trump lied, etc and would simply put the country first.

All 3 represent my worst fear. The extremes among us have come, and they care not about truth or anything moral. It is only about the win....nothing else. They will use any conspiracy theory...any lie to support what thevsee as a winner.

A presidency based on lies, injustice, accusations cannot survive. My fear, and those 3 are examples. They are gone, infested with this cancer of lies, and when Trump goes down, and he will, if not because of Russia something else. His followers who are now lost in the myriad of lies and deceptions are now at his behest, waging a cultural war, not political. At least that is how I see it.

What happens in this country when this goes down. Trump will only go in a nasty way, because it is his way. What happens to our society. The destruction, as many have always predicted, will be from within.

These are un American people, rolling themselves in my flag, desecrating all that made or makes this country great.

Did you notice at the hearings today, all the social media sources used by the Russians and how they were meant to divide us. So many sites, supposedly for support of police or white peoples. It actually makes you tear up at how you read posts on this site, grounded in their "version" of the truth, that are complete profession of those sites.

We are looking in the abyss....we are seriously under attack right now. Obviously, the Russian tactic of destroying a free press is on top of the "to do list".

These folks I mention sincerely believe their lies, easily shown as lies, are true. Those kind of people simply terrify me.

Putin is laughing at you in particular. You took his bait and are the reason america is split. You fool.

Those three represent your "worst fear?"

You don't choose your words very carefully and you use too many of them which is why nobody pays you any mind.

[ColdNoMore]

Putin is laughing at you in particular. You took his bait and are the reason america is split. You fool.

Those three represent your "worst fear?"

You don't choose your words very carefully and you use too many of them which is why nobody pays you any mind.

Actually, you and your ilk are the ones Putin have been laughing at (rightfully so)...and were the targets of his attack on America.

Obviously, his actions worked very well and because you are so brainwashed by the man-child POTUS...you now admire Putin as much as Chump does.

It just doesn't get any more traitorous and Un-American than that. :ohdear:

[Jack9696]

Actually, you and your ilk are the ones Putin have been laughing at (rightfully so)...and were the targets of his attack on America.

Obviously, his actions worked very well and because you are so brainwashed by the man-child POTUS...you now admire Putin as much as Chump does.

It just doesn't get any more traitorous and Un-American than that. :ohdear:U r 2 stupid to argue with.

[ColdNoMore]

U r 2 stupid to argue with.

Your public admission of your inferiority is noted, accepted...and appreciated. :ho:

[Jack9696]

Your public admission of your inferiority is noted, accepted...and appreciated. :ho:Want to debate?

What Trump policy has adversely affected you and how?

What policies have positively affected You?

I know... none of the economic gains are due to Trump ... right?

Liberals talk in long winded bull**** circles.


Answer the questions succinctly without hate or sarcasm.

Bet you won't

[ColdNoMore]

Want to debate? Sure :D

What Trump policy has adversely affected you and how? Well, let's start with his attempt to dismantle so many regulations that were instituted to protect the environment. Of course certain industries are chomping at the bit and their stock prices rising, due to the anticipation that they won't have to spend any money on those things that protect American citizens. After all, it's this years stock prices/bonuses that count...not our children/grandchildren's world they will live in.


What policies have positively affected You? Nothing comes to mind, so I'll have to get back with you on that.



I know... none of the economic gains are due to Trump ... right? Of course some of the gains in the markets are due to Trump. Mostly due to investors betting on the come that businesses will get huge tax breaks (that history shows will go right back to stockholders, NOT in additional employee hiring) and that they will spend less on aforementioned regulatory safeguards. Of course, what you and your ilk would love to forget is that Trump inherited a market trajectory that has been rising since Obama was elected. Since you seem to want to give Trump credit for the recent market gains, are you admitting that it was Obama that was responsible for the DJIA going from +-7,000 when he was elected...to about 18,000 when he left? Thanks for that. ;)

Bull market in stocks is 103 months old. Trump owns 11 of them - Oct. 11, 2017 (http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/11/investing/trump-obama-bull-market-stocks/index.html)
The market's cheerleader-in-chief never mentions that he inherited a bull market -- one that began long before "Make America Great Again" hats started showing up on the campaign trail.

The bull market in stocks started in March 2009, near the end of the Great Recession. This market upswing is now 103 months old, making it the second-longest on record.

Trump can claim credit for 11 months at most, if you start counting after the election. The other 92 months of upward trajectory took place under President Obama.




Liberals talk in long winded bull**** circles. The truth sucks for you...LOL


Answer the questions succinctly without hate or sarcasm.

Bet you won't.
Succinct?

Yes.

Without hate?

Yes again.

Without sarcasm?

Heck, 2 out of 3 isn't bad...as I'm only human. :1rotfl:


Any way you slice it...you lose again. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Jack9696]

Succinct?

Yes.

Without hate?

Yes again.

Without sarcasm?

Heck, 2 out of 3 isn't bad...as I'm only human. :1rotfl:


Any way you slice it...you lose again. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

So I knew the 1st question is the one you could not possibly answer. Even your long winded babble of an attempt was ridiculous.

Thank you for proving my point. I am done with you

You have only been positively affected, that is the only truth!

[mellincf]

Succinct?

Yes.

Without hate?

Yes again.

Without sarcasm?

Heck, 2 out of 3 isn't bad...as I'm only human. :1rotfl:


Any way you slice it...you lose again. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave: :BigApplause:

[ColdNoMore]

So I knew the 1st question is the one you could not possibly answer. Even your long winded babble of an attempt was ridiculous.

Thank you for proving my point. I am done with you

You have only been positively affected, that is the only truth!:1rotfl:


Don't run away mad...just run away. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[mellincf]

Actually, you and your ilk are the ones Putin have been laughing at (rightfully so)...and were the targets of his attack on America.

Obviously, his actions worked very well and because you are so brainwashed by the man-child POTUS...you now admire Putin as much as Chump does.

It just doesn't get any more traitorous and Un-American than that. :ohdear: Hang in there. We are behind you, and we are many more than Trump supporters think. The latest studies indicate that college educated Republicans do NOT support Trump. His base is, as always, the less educated and (presumably) more easily swayed by his rhetoric of easy answers to complex questions. Your "long winded" answer proved too much for that poster to digest, so it was rejected with, predictably, an insult. Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump | FiveThirtyEight (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/)

[dirtbanker]

Actually, you and your ilk are the ones Putin have been laughing at (rightfully so)...and were the targets of his attack on America.

Obviously, his actions worked very well and because you are so brainwashed by the man-child POTUS...you now admire Putin as much as Chump does.

It just doesn't get any more traitorous and Un-American than that. :ohdear:

Care to list all those supposed attacks on America that Putin is laughing about? Just so you can put some perspective of the crisis caused by his attacks...

Are you and tithead related? While her overall demeanor is more palatable than yours... she seems just as hypocritical As You Are.


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[Rockyrd]

Care to list all those supposed attacks on America that Putin is laughing about? Just so you can put some perspective of the crisis caused by his attacks...

Are you and tithead related? While her overall demeanor is more palatable than yours... she seems just as hypocritical As You Are.


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You should watch the news. Read a newspaper.

We have an entire investigation going on in the US Senate, Hous of Reps, and even an independent counsel looking into exactly how bad those attacks were.

The 19 intelligence agencies that confirmed those attacks sent their files to Justice, and I suppose missed out advising you.

[Don Baldwin]

You should watch the news. Read a newspaper.

We have an entire investigation going on in the US Senate, Hous of Reps, and even an independent counsel looking into exactly how bad those attacks were.

The 19 intelligence agencies that confirmed those attacks sent their files to Justice, and I suppose missed out advising you.

So we can be as misinformed as you?

Political theater...lots of sound and fury...signifying nothing.

The SAME ones who missed 9-11, were wrong about WMDs in Iraq...those "intelligence" agencies?

[Love2Swim]

DID you read any of the links in the previous post (41) at all ?

Of course not. In his or her "opinion", Snopes has been debunked. Another unquestioning right wing cult member. What can you say, except roll your eyes. These people are totally brainwashed. No point trying to present them with facts. They won't read them, and probably couldn't grasp them anyways.

[dirtbanker]

Of course not. In his or her "opinion", Snopes has been debunked. Another unquestioning right wing cult member. What can you say, except roll your eyes. These people are totally brainwashed. No point trying to present them with facts. They won't read them, and probably couldn't grasp them anyways.Why don't you explain to him how your news source is the only accurate one...

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[dirtbanker]

You should watch the news. Read a newspaper.

We have an entire investigation going on in the US Senate, Hous of Reps, and even an independent counsel looking into exactly how bad those attacks were.

The 19 intelligence agencies that confirmed those attacks sent their files to Justice, and I suppose missed out advising you.

All the CNN you have watched, all the reading you have done, and you can't name one single ATTACK in this country that Putin is laughing about?

Go beat your old lady up and remind her how smart you are...

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[Rockyrd]

Why don't you explain to him how your news source is the only accurate one...

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The one we are investigating. The multitude testified on the hill yesterday.

We are doing his work...moving to his goal

You really are uninformed, aren't you ?

By the way...it has been all over the news

[dirtbanker]

The one we are investigating. The multitude testified on the hill yesterday.

We are doing his work...moving to his goal

You really are uninformed, aren't you ?

By the way...it has been all over the news

Huh, You trying to say something or are you warming up for your old lady?

All that reading, one would assume you could write coherently...

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[mellincf]

Care to list all those supposed attacks on America that Putin is laughing about? Just so you can put some perspective of the crisis caused by his attacks...

Are you and tithead related? While her overall demeanor is more palatable than yours... she seems just as hypocritical As You Are.


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Russian ads, smears, and lies about Clinton reached about 1/2 of the US population. Even today, people are convinced that Hillary is "crooked" or some such brainwashed nonsense. The very fact that people are attacking each other on this post is part and parcel of Putin's attempt to destabilize this country, turn us against each other, and make us weaker.

[Topspinmo]

Russian ads, smears, and lies about Clinton reached about 1/2 of the US population. Even today, people are convinced that Hillary is "crooked" or some such brainwashed nonsense. The very fact that people are attacking each other on this post is part and parcel of Putin's attempt to destabilize this country, turn us against each other, and make us weaker.


Hillary and Cigar poker slick Willie (how did he get the name Slick Willie) was crooked long before putin. But, news don't get out Arkansas much when you control all state function and the highway patrol. Billie bob and Hillary should of been locked up 30 years ago. They only added to to mountain of corruption since. As long as we have two party system we will be turned against each other. Thanks to career politicians carpetbaggers.

[dirtbanker]

Russian ads, smears, and lies about Clinton reached about 1/2 of the US population. Even today, people are convinced that Hillary is "crooked" or some such brainwashed nonsense. The very fact that people are attacking each other on this post is part and parcel of Putin's attempt to destabilize this country, turn us against each other, and make us weaker.Oh come on tithead...thats your ATTACK?? Putin made Crooked Hillary lie about Benghazi, made her lie about use of devices used to transmit classified information, and he made her lie about the foundation funds...what did he do tell her he would kill her husband?

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[Don Baldwin]

Russian ads, smears, and lies about Clinton reached about 1/2 of the US population. Even today, people are convinced that Hillary is "crooked" or some such brainwashed nonsense. The very fact that people are attacking each other on this post is part and parcel of Putin's attempt to destabilize this country, turn us against each other, and make us weaker.

Your own government is doing that to you.

[rubicon]

Of course not. In his or her "opinion", Snopes has been debunked. Another unquestioning right wing cult member. What can you say, except roll your eyes. These people are totally brainwashed. No point trying to present them with facts. They won't read them, and probably couldn't grasp them anyways.

Tell me what do you believe goes ahead of the action "to debunk"? Should we all take at face value what snopes.com says is bunk? what about Fox news? CNN? Facebook? Twitter? Goggle?

If one truly feels that the conclusion by any of the aforementioned sources sounds wrong then, perhaps a responsible person should attempt to debunk the debunker first?

There is an inordinate amount of political bias and manipulation going on in this nation today that many readers/listeners have become cynical to much of it. Americans should tread carefully because the political class and media view us all as naifs

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

Tell me what do you believe goes ahead of the action "to debunk"? Should we all take at face value what snopes.com says is bunk? what about Fox news? CNN? Facebook? Twitter? Goggle?

If one truly feels that the conclusion by any of the aforementioned sources sounds wrong then, perhaps a responsible person should attempt to debunk the debunker first?

There is an inordinate amount of political bias and manipulation going on in this nation today that many readers/listeners have become cynical to much of it. Americans should tread carefully because the political class and media view us all as naifs

Personal Best Regards:

What your reply to about snopes (bias) and the extreme right wing (total fabrication and lies) has been proven. Say the word and I will supply more information.

PLEASE SUPPLY YOUR BACK UP AND CREDIBLE SOURCES FOR YOUR CONSTANT ATTACK ON THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA.

Most "normal" people would NEVER make such accusations without any kid of examples or reasons.......

ONLY TROLLS do what you do...ONLY trolls.

We will wait for you to prove your point.

[Bog99]

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https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/condescending-femo-fascists-idea-ann-landers-column-248899/


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[dirtbanker]

What your reply to about snopes (bias) and the extreme right wing (total fabrication and lies) has been proven. Say the word and I will supply more information.

PLEASE SUPPLY YOUR BACK UP AND CREDIBLE SOURCES FOR YOUR CONSTANT ATTACK ON THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA.

Most "normal" people would NEVER make such accusations without any kid of examples or reasons.......

ONLY TROLLS do what you do...ONLY trolls.

We will wait for you to prove your point.Who is we? You got a turd in your pocket??

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[Jack9696]

Who is we? You got a turd in your pocket??

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkHe is at Talt's house tonight. A pajama party

[mellincf]

Who is we? You got a turd in your pocket??

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"We" are the people who do not feel it necessary to make crude remarks and insults when asked to supply a source for their comments. "We" are the ones who CAN supply credible sources and "We" are the ones who use common sense to understand the difference between a credible source and an outright nutcase.

InfoWars reports that Hitler is alive. Will the White House confirm or deny? (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/11/02/infowars_reports_that_hitler_is_alive_will_the_whi te_house_confirm_or_deny.html)

Reporter for Alex Jones’ Infowars says Hitler is alive and the U.S. government is covering it up (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/11/02/reporter-alex-jones-infowars-says-hitler-alive-and-us-government-covering-it/218435)

[dirtbanker]

"We" are the people who do not feel it necessary to make crude remarks and insults when asked to supply a source for their comments. "We" are the ones who CAN supply credible sources and "We" are the ones who use common sense to understand the difference between a credible source and an outright nutcase.

InfoWars reports that Hitler is alive. Will the White House confirm or deny? (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/11/02/infowars_reports_that_hitler_is_alive_will_the_whi te_house_confirm_or_deny.html)

Reporter for Alex Jones’ Infowars says Hitler is alive and the U.S. government is covering it up (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/11/02/reporter-alex-jones-infowars-says-hitler-alive-and-us-government-covering-it/218435)Oh tithead is in Rockfaces pocket...

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[dirtbanker]

PS: tithead has no common sense.
Oh look at me I am hot...

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[Rockyrd]

Who is we? You got a turd in your pocket??

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IF you are one of those stupid Russian bots with no real brain, which is a fitting description, then YOU are a really bad bot because your filth and language and lack of any sense defies any programming logic.

Only a stupid human could post what you post.

There used to be a day when TOTV had posters with whom you could disagree but had the ability to put a sentence together and you knew was human.

Human for you is a stretch

[dirtbanker]

IF you are one of those stupid Russian bots with no real brain, which is a fitting description, then YOU are a really bad bot because your filth and language and lack of any sense defies any programming logic.

Only a stupid human could post what you post.

There used to be a day when TOTV had posters with whom you could disagree but had the ability to put a sentence together and you knew was human.

Human for you is a stretch
So you believe you are in charge on here and get to decide what is "normal" and who is "stupid"...

Let's explore your supposed superiority;

What did your presidential candidate promise to do for this country if he / she was elected?

Which news source is the one to read or watch, and how do you know what they claim is true? Is it just anyone that ATTACKS Trump and or adds to the racial division?


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[banjobob]

He could have used the Clinton response "I don't recall" or "