20 + Texas Churchgoers Dead - Gunman neutralized

[Wiotte]

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people ???


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[Kenswing]

People with guns kill people. People with knives kill people. People with trucks kill people. People who drive after drinking too much kill people. People with bombs kill people. What is the common denominator here?

[Wiotte]

People with guns kill people. People with knives kill people. People with trucks kill people. People who drive after drinking too much kill people. People with bombs kill people. What is the common denominator here?



In this case, a gun. Hence the term, gunman.

Not knifeman
Not bombman
Not truckman

Get where
I’m going here ?


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[Kenswing]

In this case, a gun. Hence the term, gunman.

Not knifeman
Not bombman
Not truckman

Get where
I’m going here ?


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So last week your thread title would have been "Trucks don’t kill people, people kill people ???"

[dirtbanker]

Guns don’t kill people, people kill people ???


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe common factor in all instruments of nefarious deaths is people. Guns, knives, bombs, rental trucks, and any other common day tool of death = kill when people use them to do so.

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[Wiotte]

So last week your thread title would have been "Trucks don’t kill people, people kill people ???"



Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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[dirtbanker]

In this case, a gun. Hence the term, gunman.

Not knifeman
Not bombman
Not truckman

Get where
I’m going here ?


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No, I don't know where you're going here...I suspect you want to go where everyone blames the gun and not the person behind it.

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[Kenswing]

Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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So let's hear your solution..

[dirtbanker]

Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHey why guess? Use the internet to prove your point...if you have one.

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[Wiotte]

No, I don't know where you're going here...I suspect you want to go where everyone blames the gun and not the person behind it.

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People can’t be controlled, guns can. Don’t you agree ?


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[Wiotte]

Hey why guess? Use the internet to prove your point...if you have one.

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If you don’t get the point, you’re one dumb :,?)$!


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[Kenswing]

If you don’t get the point, you’re one dumb :,?)$!


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Once you need to start calling people names you've already lost the argument.. So much for informed rational debate.

[Wiotte]

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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[Kenswing]

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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I'll ask once more. Please articulate your solution to this problem. I'm truly interested. I would love to see gun violence curtailed.

[Wiotte]

Once you need to start calling people names you've already lost the argument.. So much for informed rational debate.



It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


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[dirtbanker]

People can’t be controlled, guns can. Don’t you agree ?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNo I am too wise to agree. The city of Chicago would be the example of how guns can't be controlled. Your wasting your time, the solution has NOTHING to do with gun control. You have to change the culture.

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[Kenswing]

It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


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Deflection is not an argument.. Once you run out of your talking points is this where the conversation goes?

[dirtbanker]

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThe NRA funds a lot of safety programs, funds a lot of field target competitions, and works to protect gun owners rights. Do you think those gang bangers in Detroit are members of the NRA..

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[dirtbanker]

It worked for Trump, didn’t it ?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYour not Trump...

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[Wiotte]

Deflection is not an argument.. Once you run out of your talking points is this where the conversation goes?



I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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[Wiotte]

Morford: White men with guns are America’s real terrorists – and the NRA is enabling them (http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/amp/White-men-with-guns-are-America-s-real-12246941.php)


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[Wiotte]

How NRA Advertising Changed The Second Amendment–And American Gun Cult (https://www.fastcompany.com/40477572/how-nra-advertising-changed-the-second-amendment-and-american-gun-culture)


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[Kenswing]

I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


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Wrong about what? I'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. We all know that gun violence is a problem. To hang your entire argument on guns being the problem is just myopic.

[Wiotte]

The NRA is Literally a Death Cult – Betsy F. Yerguns – Medium (https://medium.com/@snarkybitch/the-nra-is-literally-a-death-cult-aa6a5c56d867)


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[Wiotte]

Wrong about what? I'm just trying to figure out what your solution is. We all know that gun violence is a problem. To hang your entire argument on guns being the problem is just myopic.



The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


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[Kenswing]

The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHmm.. You want to blame the NRA for other people's actions?

Putting that aside what is your idea of common sense gun laws? In addition to the many laws we already have what would you like to see added?

[Wiotte]

The NRA is a powerful political force — but not because of its money - Vox (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16430684/nra-congress-money-no)


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[Wiotte]

Hmm.. You want to blame the NRA for other people's actions?



Putting that aside what is your idea of common sense gun laws? In addition to the many laws we already have what would you like to see added?



What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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[Kenswing]

What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

[Don Baldwin]

Would you want to take a guess how many people are killed by a felonious truck attack as opposed to a felonious gun attack ?
Maybe 10,000:1 maybe, what do ya think?


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Want to take a guess as to the amount of killings committed by WHITES...not Hispanics pretending to be white...or negros??? About 10:1...hundreds are killed in Chicago each year and it's not white people doing it.

Outlaw guns and they'll start using more trucks. Killers will find a way to kill.

Once you need to start calling people names you've already lost the argument.. So much for informed rational debate.

No...it means the other person is infuriatingly stupid...something you won't find in a real debate. There are no judges here to say WTF are you talking about?

How many people will be allowed to die by NRA. It’s only motive is profit, not upholding the 2nd. Much the way Trump played to the uneducated, so goes the NRA.


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How many will need to die before we realize that minorities shouldn't have guns? 90% of the violence comes from them. THEY are the REAL uneducated...go to a black school and SEE just HOW uneducated that are!

I'll ask once more. Please articulate your solution to this problem. I'm truly interested. I would love to see gun violence curtailed.

Ban minorities from having guns...it's the ONLY way to cut down on gun violence...up to 90%. Place metal detectors at the entrance to ALL public housing they're not supposed to have guns there anyway. You don't get in without going through security.

But what do we care how many blacks kill each other. You're worried about that 1 in a billion when a white guy flips out.

No I am too wise to agree. The city of Chicago would be the example of how guns can't be controlled. Your wasting your time, the solution has NOTHING to do with gun control. You have to change the culture.

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You CAN'T change the minority culture...they were stupid and violent back home...they'll be stupid and violent here too...and THEY are becoming the majority. America is DOOMED.

The NRA funds a lot of safety programs, funds a lot of field target competitions, and works to protect gun owners rights. Do you think those gang bangers in Detroit are members of the NRA..

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Blacks aren't members of anything except black gangs. They don't join clubs. Blacks wouldn't live like us if we all traded places with them. If we took all the white people in the villages and put them in a black inner city...and took the black people from the inner city and put them here in the villages...WHAT do you think would happen? What?

The inner city neighborhood would be cleaned up and the villages would become another black sh!thole.

What I would like is mandatory confiscation of all firearms from civilians. No exceptions. It could
be executed with minimal violence by hitting the holdouts with bank account freezes and property impoundment. The hardcore fanatics will shoot it out, they’ll loose.
That tops my wish list.


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You want to be a slave wiotte...the ONLY difference between a slave and a citizen is citizens can defend themselves.

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

The "gun problem" is an inner city minority problem when you look at the big picture. A white guy going nuts and killing a bunch of people is/was rare. Minorities killing people vs whites is 9 to 1. Killings in the inner cities go unreported because nobody cares. How many in Chicago so far this year? Is it a record yet? Those are MINORITIES killing people...9:1.

Blacks are a different species...they are not us...you might start by figuring out WHY a dog is gentle and a wolf is dangerous. Wolves and dogs are similar but a different species...blacks are similar but a different species...up to 1/20th genetically different from EVERY other race.

I'm just the messenger.

[Wiotte]

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.



My solution is more doable than yours. As it is, how many large mental institutions still exist. Everyone that needs to be in one is an outpatient on tax funded meds and therapy. We all ready know why people kill other people. An engineered cultural shift will never happen. Confiscation is the only workable solution. Guns make it too easy to kill many in a short period of time. More guns equals more death by gun.


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[Don Baldwin]

My solution is more doable than yours. As it is, how many large mental institutions still exist. Everyone that needs to be in one is an outpatient on tax funded meds and therapy. We all ready know why people kill other people. An engineered cultural shift will never happen. Confiscation is the only workable solution. Guns make it too easy to kill many in a short period of time. More guns equals more death by gun.


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FREEDOM...is messy wiotte...but I choose it and the risks that go with it...over slavery.

When someone tells you what you can and can't do...it's slavery. ALL governments enslave to a point...the point is to keep it to a minimum...and it's CERTAINLY not to give up your means to defense. What are YOU going to do when 6 n!@@ers breaks into your house? Call the police? I hope you have a panic button... Have you read the news about what they do to old white people? JUST as bad as any story about white people doing things to blacks.

Blacks ARE inferior in almost every way. They are jealous of us and hate us for being so much smarter. They will NOT be kind as minorities become 80% of the population.

[dirtbanker]

I deflected because you interrupted the argument between me and dirtbanker.
You’re both wrong, BTW.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkFirst of all, I am not in an argument with you. Secondly, you are the one that is wrong on this subject. You want to disregard common sense, anyplace that has strictest gun laws has the most violent crimes. It is the culture that causes the problem (not the gun, knife, bomb, or truck).
The media over the next few days will inform us of every nuance of the shooter, they will not portray him as a coward, instead they will make him a villain. They will give him more than 15 minutes in the lime light...

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[wjboyer1]

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Then you need to defend your possible solution from those who feel that ANY solution is infringing upon their "2nd Amendment" rights....when it is really the NRA that funds politicians who ignore gun violence, and fund against politicians who want to make common sense improvements on the current laws.

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[wjboyer1]

I think any rational person understands that will never work.

You have people now that have no regard for human life in possession of their guns illegally. If they won't follow the most basic of laws not to shoot people what makes you think they'll give up their guns? Chicago is a perfect example of this.

There are almost as many guns in this country as there are people. There is no way law enforcement has the desire or resources to try to confiscate them all.

Then there's that pesky document called the Bill of Rights. First you need to pass a Constitutional Amendment.. Good luck with that.

Is there nowhere in your reasoning that you can even entertain the idea of holding people accountable? You seem to think by banning firearms (which is not gun control) people will all of a sudden start being nice to each other. It might be time better spent figuring out why people feel the need to kill each other.

Other than that, maybe Australia would be a better place for you to live.

Evidently you know NOTHING about Chicago: The truth — and lies — about Chicago's gun laws
The truth — and lies — about Chicago's gun laws - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-met-gun-control-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story,amp.html)
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[Fraugoofy]

Want to take a guess as to the amount of killings committed by WHITES...not Hispanics pretending to be white...or negros??? About 10:1...hundreds are killed in Chicago each year and it's not white people doing it.

Outlaw guns and they'll start using more trucks. Killers will find a way to kill.



No...it means the other person is infuriatingly stupid...something you won't find in a real debate. There are no judges here to say WTF are you talking about?



How many will need to die before we realize that minorities shouldn't have guns? 90% of the violence comes from them. THEY are the REAL uneducated...go to a black school and SEE just HOW uneducated that are!



Ban minorities from having guns...it's the ONLY way to cut down on gun violence...up to 90%. Place metal detectors at the entrance to ALL public housing they're not supposed to have guns there anyway. You don't get in without going through security.

But what do we care how many blacks kill each other. You're worried about that 1 in a billion when a white guy flips out.



You CAN'T change the minority culture...they were stupid and violent back home...they'll be stupid and violent here too...and THEY are becoming the majority. America is DOOMED.



Blacks aren't members of anything except black gangs. They don't join clubs. Blacks wouldn't live like us if we all traded places with them. If we took all the white people in the villages and put them in a black inner city...and took the black people from the inner city and put them here in the villages...WHAT do you think would happen? What?

The inner city neighborhood would be cleaned up and the villages would become another black sh!thole.



You want to be a slave wiotte...the ONLY difference between a slave and a citizen is citizens can defend themselves.



The "gun problem" is an inner city minority problem when you look at the big picture. A white guy going nuts and killing a bunch of people is/was rare. Minorities killing people vs whites is 9 to 1. Killings in the inner cities go unreported because nobody cares. How many in Chicago so far this year? Is it a record yet? Those are MINORITIES killing people...9:1.

Blacks are a different species...they are not us...you might start by figuring out WHY a dog is gentle and a wolf is dangerous. Wolves and dogs are similar but a different species...blacks are similar but a different species...up to 1/20th genetically different from EVERY other race.

I'm just the messenger.Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group (http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602)

[ColdNoMore]

Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group (http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602)

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

Not to even mention that in post #32 he says he chooses 'freedom' over 'slavery'...but has no problem with blacks being slaves.

His hypocrisy is surpassed only by his inhumanity...and utterly repulsive personality disorder. :ohdear:

[Wiotte]

First of all, I am not in an argument with you. Secondly, you are the one that is wrong on this subject. You want to disregard common sense, anyplace that has strictest gun laws has the most violent crimes. It is the culture that causes the problem (not the gun, knife, bomb, or truck).
The media over the next few days will inform us of every nuance of the shooter, they will not portray him as a coward, instead they will make him a villain. They will give him more than 15 minutes in the lime light...

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The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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[Wiotte]

FREEDOM...is messy wiotte...but I choose it and the risks that go with it...over slavery.

When someone tells you what you can and can't do...it's slavery. ALL governments enslave to a point...the point is to keep it to a minimum...and it's CERTAINLY not to give up your means to defense. What are YOU going to do when 6 n!@@ers breaks into your house? Call the police? I hope you have a panic button... Have you read the news about what they do to old white people? JUST as bad as any story about white people doing things to blacks.

Blacks ARE inferior in almost every way. They are jealous of us and hate us for being so much smarter. They will NOT be kind as minorities become 80% of the population.



Don, we are living in a country with more than 300 million people. We are not living
In the 19th century anymore. So many people require more laws. Whether blacks are intellectually inferior to us has no bearing on the fact that we are overpopulated and with this
many people, personal liberties are no longer a right, but a luxury. More people equals less personal freedoms, that is an undeniable fact. Again, we are living in 2017 not 1817.


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[dirtbanker]

The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou and the "boy" really like those internet pictures...so many similarities, are you related?

I don't care what you ban (guns, knives, bombs, moving trucks, RVs and hand tools), if you don't change the culture; people will continue to kill people.

The culture can be changed, as it has changed to what it is now. Do you remember a lot of mass murders when you were growing up? Columbine news coverage changed things for these nut jobs taught them how to get noticed. That's the prize they are after.

I exercise my right to own a firearm and I do not want that right taken away from me due to some "nut job that has nothing to live for" wanting to be famous on the news.



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[larbud]

Discipline!!! as in ass whippings not time outs or no i-pad for an hour and other such bull****,, Teach not indoctrinate, Personal responsibility not the blame game, Rewards for excellence not mediocrity! The only way these functioning retards have of excelling is their fifteen minutes.. Some have access to a sailboat and a lesbian partner others have guns...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The problem is the NRA. Politicians are afraid of them and refuse to pass common sense gun laws.


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What "common sense" gun laws would you suggest we pass?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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How do you propose to eliminate guns?

If we overturned or replaced the second amendment and banned all guns in this country, do you honestly believe that no one would have access to guns? Do you think that there's a chance that people who want to do other people harm might be able to get guns illegally? Is there a possibility that a black market for guns might develop for people who want to hurt other people?

Unless you are talking about somehow eliminating ALL guns from the entire world I don't see how preventing good, responsible, law-abiding people from owning guns is going to prevent gun violence.

[Bog99]

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Femo-Fascists in full c*nt-rage mode...

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/gun-laws-type-2-femo-fascist-screwing-249053/



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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group (http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602)

That may be true in this country, but most of the examples that you give here were before radical Islam declared war on the United States and the western world.

More people were killed by radical Muslims flying planes into buildings in a few minutes than were killed by white men with guns over the past 20 years.

It's easy to form an argument, like Mother Jones does here, by restricting the method used to kill people, but they people are murdered is irrelevant. There are plenty of tools that people can use to kill others.

Mother Jones and other liberal extremist organizations hate white people so they set up studies to prove their points. They are easily seen through.

As much as you want to point to white men killing people, the fact is that we are currently in a war against radical Islam that is killing people all around the world. And they are killing more people than all of the white gunmen committing mass murder over the past twenty years. But I guess that OK with some people because they are using planes, bombs and motor vehicles and they are not white.

[Taltarzac725]

What "common sense" gun laws would you suggest we pass?

Three common-sense gun policies that would save lives - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/three-common-sense-gun-policies-that-would-save-lives/2015/10/15/3fd8cb80-735f-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html?utm_term=.a719a5b3e028)

Try Googling "Common sense gun laws"!

[Bog99]

Don't you hen-pecking, under-screwed, coffee-klatch Femo-Fascists have anything better to do than make other people miserable with your un-American Type 2 Laws?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/gives-hen-pecker-femo-fascists-something-flap-their-gums-about-249129/


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/structure-politics-type-1-vs-type-2-laws-248949/index3.html#post1470752


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/femo-fascism-101-a-248942/

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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What's unfortunate and somewhat surprising for rural Texas is that none of the churchgoers were armed. if a few of them had a firearm on them, the loss of lives would have been minimized. In fact, if the shooter had known that the church was full of armed people, he might not even have attempted the shooting.

Churches are extremely soft targets and the only way to change that is to allow concealed carry during services.

By the way, the shooter had been denied a carry permit and because he was dishonorably discharged from the service he was banned from not only owning a gun but also from having access to a gun. He was not allowed to live in a home in which there was a gun that he could access. So please explain again how another law would have prevented this.

[Taltarzac725]

What's unfortunate and somewhat surprising for rural Texas is that none of the churchgoers were armed. if a few of them had a firearm on them, the loss of lives would have been minimized. In fact, if the shooter had known that the church was full of armed people, he might not even have attempted the shooting.

Churches are extremely soft targets and the only way to change that is to allow concealed carry during services.

By the way, the shooter had been denied a carry permit and because he was dishonorably discharged from the service he was banned from not only owning a gun but also from having access to a gun. He was not allowed to live in a home in which there was a gun that he could access. So please explain again how another law would have prevented this.

Was that in the news? In these kind of situations I would expect many people would freeze up even if armed and not doing anything but maybe try to run. Especially in a rural Texas church.

It is about taking measures to stop the next would be mass murderer. We should be trying everything to fix this problem. Not just yelling at one another.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Three common-sense gun policies that would save lives - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/three-common-sense-gun-policies-that-would-save-lives/2015/10/15/3fd8cb80-735f-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html?utm_term=.a719a5b3e028)

Try Googling "Common sense gun laws"!

That's it? You post a link to a Washington Post article? You have none of your own ideas?

Some of the ideas in this article would be immediately judged unconstitutional. So maybe you should start working on changing the constitution. Other ideas such as "smart guns" endanger the lives of the gun owner. A PTP for handguns, which I believe would be deemed unconstitutional would not do anything about mass shootings which are mostly committed with rifles.

All of this is utter nonsense designed to convince voters that your representatives are actually interested in doing something about the problem. I don't depend on the government to protect me and my family.

[Bog99]

What's unfortunate and somewhat surprising for rural Texas is that none of the churchgoers were armed. if a few of them had a firearm on them, the loss of lives would have been minimized. In fact, if the shooter had known that the church was full of armed people, he might not even have attempted the shooting.

Churches are extremely soft targets and the only way to change that is to allow concealed carry during services.

By the way, the shooter had been denied a carry permit and because he was dishonorably discharged from the service he was banned from not only owning a gun but also from having access to a gun. He was not allowed to live in a home in which there was a gun that he could access. So please explain again how another law would have prevented this.

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Absolutely! --- not that it will make any difference to these zero-objectivity kitchen-table Femo-Fascists, but yes -- thank you for taking the time to post.

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[Don Baldwin]

First of all, I am not in an argument with you. Secondly, you are the one that is wrong on this subject. You want to disregard common sense, anyplace that has strictest gun laws has the most violent crimes. It is the culture that causes the problem (not the gun, knife, bomb, or truck).
The media over the next few days will inform us of every nuance of the shooter, they will not portray him as a coward, instead they will make him a villain. They will give him more than 15 minutes in the lime light...

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Anyplace that has a lot of minorities...hispanics and blacks...has the MOST violent crimes. Whites...including this guy...do 10%...blacks and Hispanics do 90%.

They SHOULD portray him as someone who snapped...and find out WHY.

Don.

You post this today on a thread titled "Texas Churchgoers dead". Devin Kelly was as white as they come.

Let me list a few more white killers for you.

Stehpen Paddock. James Holmes. Dylan Roof. Adam Lanza. George Hennard. James Huberty. Charles Whitman. Patrick Sherrill. Jeffrey Dahmer. Dylan Klebold. Eric Harris. Ted Bundy.

What do they all have in common? Yep, white as a ghost... stop making excused based on color and examine your own hatred of mankind.

White Men Have Committed More Mass Shootings than Any Other Group (http://www.newsweek.com/white-men-have-committed-more-mass-shootings-any-other-group-675602)

Bullsh!t...a "mass shooting" is:

"A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearms-related violence. ... Another unofficial definition of a mass shooting is an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of four or more people with no cooling-off period."

This happens EVERY DAY in the inner city slums between minority gangs. You just don't hear about it. The nightly news is already full of crime stories about blacks/hispanics...if they reported on ALL the crimes...it would fill the whole night...the news would have to go into a 4 hour overtime.

Whites commit 10% of the murders. Even with this...it's STILL only 10%. How many murdered in Chicago alone this year? 557? 500 of those committed by minorities.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

Not to even mention that in post #32 he says he chooses 'freedom' over 'slavery'...but has no problem with blacks being slaves.

His hypocrisy is surpassed only by his inhumanity...and utterly repulsive personality disorder. :ohdear:

Who said that? I NEVER said blacks SHOULD be slaves. I said they'd end up that way IF we were honest about them. Like we "enslave" other species to do our work. We "enslave" horses that we ride. We "enslave our dogs and cats as "pets"...keeping them locked up, feeding them when WE feel they need it.

What's the difference? Blacks are a different species too...they're not "us"...a trip to MLK Blvd where the 99% live proves it...a trip to a black HS proves it.

The culture can not be changed, the law can be. Eliminate guns, you eliminate the mass killings.
There is no reason that civilized people need to own firearms. They do more harm than good.



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The BLACKS cannot be changed...90% of violence IS committed by minorities. Whites including this AND Las Vegas is still only 10%.

Don, we are living in a country with more than 300 million people. We are not living
In the 19th century anymore. So many people require more laws. Whether blacks are intellectually inferior to us has no bearing on the fact that we are overpopulated and with this
many people, personal liberties are no longer a right, but a luxury. More people equals less personal freedoms, that is an undeniable fact. Again, we are living in 2017 not 1817.


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We are living in a country that is 150 million minorities. THAT is why we have the problems we're having with violence. The villages is a CITY of over 150,000 people. It's about as nice a place as you could live...why? WHAT makes the villages UNLIKE EVERY other city its size? NO MINORITIES. The villages is WHITE. When America was WHITE is was great too. If/when the villages becomes less white it too will change...it will become another diversified sh!thole full of minorities.

We ARE overpopulated...overpopulated with worthless minorities...HALF the population is minority now...HALF the population receives a government benefit. It's not coincidence. Minorities collect 90% of the welfare. Go into a welfare office and SEE who is sitting there...Hispanics, blacks, and a few whites with black kids.

You and the "boy" really like those internet pictures...so many similarities, are you related?

I don't care what you ban (guns, knives, bombs, moving trucks, RVs and hand tools), if you don't change the culture; people will continue to kill people.

The culture can be changed, as it has changed to what it is now. Do you remember a lot of mass murders when you were growing up? Columbine news coverage changed things for these nut jobs taught them how to get noticed. That's the prize they are after.

I exercise my right to own a firearm and I do not want that right taken away from me due to some "nut job that has nothing to live for" wanting to be famous on the news.

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You're NOT going to change black culture...the violent culture.

The change to America's culture is due to a demographic change. America WAS 90% white, we're now 49% white and we're heading for 20% white. What do you expect? We're filling with 3rd worlders and we're becoming 3rd world.

EXACTLY!!! We shouldn't change everything because a few white guys went nuts. It's still only 10% of the total killings...90% committed by minorities.

What "common sense" gun laws would you suggest we pass?

Taking them ALL away. It's women...they're afraid of everything...mostly men. They don't trust us. They want us neutralized. Feminized. Domesticated.

How do you propose to eliminate guns?

If we overturned or replaced the second amendment and banned all guns in this country, do you honestly believe that no one would have access to guns? Do you think that there's a chance that people who want to do other people harm might be able to get guns illegally? Is there a possibility that a black market for guns might develop for people who want to hurt other people?

Unless you are talking about somehow eliminating ALL guns from the entire world I don't see how preventing good, responsible, law-abiding people from owning guns is going to prevent gun violence.

Most blacks ALREADY get theirs from the black market...not legally.

That may be true in this country, but most of the examples that you give here were before radical Islam declared war on the United States and the western world.

More people were killed by radical Muslims flying planes into buildings in a few minutes than were killed by white men with guns over the past 20 years.

It's easy to form an argument, like Mother Jones does here, by restricting the method used to kill people, but they people are murdered is irrelevant. There are plenty of tools that people can use to kill others.

Mother Jones and other liberal extremist organizations hate white people so they set up studies to prove their points. They are easily seen through.

As much as you want to point to white men killing people, the fact is that we are currently in a war against radical Islam that is killing people all around the world. And they are killing more people than all of the white gunmen committing mass murder over the past twenty years. But I guess that OK with some people because they are using planes, bombs and motor vehicles and they are not white.

Compared to minorities...whites are very non-violent. Look at the villages...150,000 white people living together in peace and tranquility. Go you REALLY think "our problems" (parking, cart driving, a few squabbles over chairs or dancing) compare with the INNER CITY PROBLEMS??? People DIE all day, every day in the black/hispanic inner cities. 557 in just Chicago so far this year.

Three common-sense gun policies that would save lives - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/three-common-sense-gun-policies-that-would-save-lives/2015/10/15/3fd8cb80-735f-11e5-9cbb-790369643cf9_story.html?utm_term=.a719a5b3e028)

Try Googling "Common sense gun laws"!

Eliminate 90% of gun crime by taking them away from the blacks/hispanics. There...I told you how to REALLY fix it. 557 in Chicago alone so far this year. 278 in Baltimore.

"St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit recorded the highest per capita homicide rates of major American cities last year. Six months into 2017, it looks likely that they will maintain the dubious distinction. Baltimore is on track to have the highest number of homicides per capita in the city’s history. St. Louis faces its highest rates since the crack wars of the 1990s. "

90% committed by blacks and hispanics...what are you going to do about it?

[Taltarzac725]

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Absolutely! --- not that it will make any difference to these zero-objectivity kitchen-table Femo-Fascists, but yes -- thank you for taking the time to post.

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"Objectivity" from bog99? That is rich.

[Wiotte]

These Laws Are The Reason Canada, Australia, Japan And The UK Have Such Low Gun Homicide Rates - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1)


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[billethkid]

Any notion that suggests confiscation of all guns/no exception has a 100% chance of failure. Not even getting off the ground.

First just how might what ever agency go about getting all those guns/no exception? They wouldn't get mine (or millions like me) because they don't know what or if I have any. And like me the millions of others like me most certainly would not volunteer our guns.

And even under the assumption they were all collected, does anybody think the violence of man vs man will all of a sudden cease?
OF COURSE NOT!!

Enough on the lark of collecting all guns.

One other common denominator in just about every shooting situation? The cowardly, fully armed, military clothed, armor protected worm chooses to go into no gun zones. My suggestion for the responders to these attacks is they be in a shoot to kill assignment.

Lastly I would have more respect for many offered solutions to the gun situation if they were genuine and real instead of political/partisan parroting!

Sigh!

[Taltarzac725]

These Laws Are The Reason Canada, Australia, Japan And The UK Have Such Low Gun Homicide Rates - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1)


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Good link. Thanks wiotte.

[Don Baldwin]

Was that in the news? In these kind of situations I would expect many people would freeze up even if armed and not doing anything but maybe try to run. Especially in a rural Texas church.

It is about taking measures to stop the next would be mass murderer. We should be trying everything to fix this problem. Not just yelling at one another.

Fix WHAT problem? Gun violence OR a white guy going crazy? Gun violence is a minority problem...90% of shootings/killing are done by/to them. 557 in Chicago so far this year. That's just ONE city. Cut "gun violence" by 90% by taking them away from them. And it's easy...set up metal detectors at the project entries...you know...like they do at the blacks high schools.

To fix white guys going nuts...stop f@cking with them. Stop making "manly" into something bad. Stop discriminating against nobody but them. Stop taking EVERYTHING from them through divorce. There's a few things that make some men angry.

That's it? You post a link to a Washington Post article? You have none of your own ideas?

Some of the ideas in this article would be immediately judged unconstitutional. So maybe you should start working on changing the constitution. Other ideas such as "smart guns" endanger the lives of the gun owner. A PTP for handguns, which I believe would be deemed unconstitutional would not do anything about mass shootings which are mostly committed with rifles.

All of this is utter nonsense designed to convince voters that your representatives are actually interested in doing something about the problem. I don't depend on the government to protect me and my family.

There you go...thinking ONLY about "your world" and forgetting the inner city slums where 90% of the gun killings occur.

Ah...but women do. They'll do anything for perceived safety. Women like LOTS of rules...they THINK it keeps them safe. They THINK the police are there to protect them...ONLY at an event where they have a presence.

Women would eliminate us crude and violent men if they could.

Any notion that suggests confiscation of all guns/no exception has a 100% chance of failure. Not even getting off the ground.

First just how might what ever agency go about getting all those guns/no exception? They wouldn't get mine (or millions like me) because they don't know what or if I have any. And like me the millions of others like me most certainly would not volunteer our guns.

And even under the assumption they were all collected, does anybody think the violence of man vs man will all of a sudden cease?
OF COURSE NOT!!

Enough on the lark of collecting all guns.

One other common denominator in just about every shooting situation? The cowardly, fully armed, military clothed, armor protected worm chooses to go into no gun zones. My suggestion for the responders to these attacks is they be in a shoot to kill assignment.

Lastly I would have more respect for many offered solutions to the gun situation if they were genuine and real instead of political/partisan parroting!

Sigh!

Blacks will be blacks...hispanics will be hispanic...they'll keep killing each other...they'll STILL be responsible for 90% of the violence.

[cologal]

The resident racist is doing his thing as it the femo guy.

The style of weapon used by these domestic terrorists is not used for hunting anything other than humans. Hunters don't typically need a ballistic vest and then there are the high capacity clips for these and other weapons.

Texas has some of the laxest gun laws in the US and they are an open carry state. The NRA has repeatedly said:

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

It may be time to look at the hardware these guys are packing if nothing else limit the body count!"

COPUFF

"FROM COLORADO SPRINGS THAT HAD TWO DOMESTIC TERRORIST ATTACKS WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS"

[Don Baldwin]

The resident racist is doing his thing as it the femo guy.

The style of weapon used by these domestic terrorists is not used for hunting anything other than humans. Hunters don't typically need a ballistic vest and then there are the high capacity clips for these and other weapons.

Texas has some of the laxest gun laws in the US and they are an open carry state. The NRA has repeatedly said:

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

It may be time to look at the hardware these guys are packing if nothing else limit the body count!"

COPUFF

"FROM COLORADO SPRINGS THAT HAD TWO DOMESTIC TERRORIST ATTACKS WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS"

Yes...being right again. Compared to minorities...whites commit 10% the crime.

Blacks should be called domestic terrorists the way they commit 90% of the crimes and violence. GO TO MLK Blvd and SEE...GO TO a black school and SEE...I'm not lying to you...go look. They are NOT us. They don't act like us. Even the very few rich ones are "different"...because they ARE different...a different species. In what way are we the same? Name something that is the same in blacks and whites but NOT found in any other species. They can read (barely) and they can write (barely)...past that I don't see much else they've got. Negros have NEVER had a Homer, Shakespeare, or ANY truly GREAT writers. Everything they write is how unfairly they're treated...well DUH...you're a different species. We treat horses differently too.

WHY don't they call minority gang activity domestic terrorism? That's what it is. They OWN entire swaths of cities and towns. That's not terrorism? Oh...it's RACIST to say that. Brown/black people can't be blamed for anything. Everything is white peoples fault...white men's fault.

Those Texans were being polite and left their guns in the truck...they won't do that again. With more of these "terrorism" events happening...more and more WILL be carrying. The violence will continue to be in gun free zones...keeping those who carry safe. Didn't a guy shoot up a cafe in TX a while back? You're going to see people begin carrying indoors.

[Kenswing]

Yes...being right again. Compared to minorities...whites commit 10% the crime.

Blacks should be called domestic terrorists the way they commit 90% of the crimes and violence. GO TO MLK Blvd and SEE...GO TO a black school and SEE...I'm not lying to you...go look. They are NOT us. They don't act like us. Even the very few rich ones are "different"...because they ARE different...a different species. In what way are we the same? Name something that is the same in blacks and whites but NOT found in any other species. They can read (barely) and they can write (barely)...past that I don't see much else they've got. Negros have NEVER had a Homer, Shakespeare, or ANY truly GREAT writers. Everything they write is how unfairly they're treated...well DUH...you're a different species. We treat horses differently too.

WHY don't they call minority gang activity domestic terrorism? That's what it is. They OWN entire swaths of cities and towns. That's not terrorism? Oh...it's RACIST to say that. Brown/black people can't be blamed for anything. Everything is white peoples fault...white men's fault.

Those Texans were being polite and left their guns in the truck...they won't do that again. With more of these "terrorism" events happening...more and more WILL be carrying. The violence will continue to be in gun free zones...keeping those who carry safe. Didn't a guy shoot up a cafe in TX a while back? You're going to see people begin carrying indoors.
I'm seeing a lot of posts where you state that blacks commit 90% of the crime. Can you tell me where you are getting that information from? The only data I could find is a 2012 FBI report that shows us white folk commit more crime. FBI — Table 43 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf)

I understand blacks make up just 13% of the population so their per capita rate might be higher. But I still can't see where you get the 90% figure.

[Bog99]

These Laws Are The Reason Canada, Australia, Japan And The UK Have Such Low Gun Homicide Rates - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1)


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Crap.

[Bog99]

"Objectivity" from bog99? That is rich.

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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The resident racist is doing his thing as it the femo guy.

The style of weapon used by these domestic terrorists is not used for hunting anything other than humans. Hunters don't typically need a ballistic vest and then there are the high capacity clips for these and other weapons.

Texas has some of the laxest gun laws in the US and they are an open carry state. The NRA has repeatedly said:

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

It may be time to look at the hardware these guys are packing if nothing else limit the body count!"

COPUFF

"FROM COLORADO SPRINGS THAT HAD TWO DOMESTIC TERRORIST ATTACKS WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS"

Are you aware that this guy was banned from owning or having access to a gun? He was dishonorably discharged from the military and had mental health issues. Yet, he was able to get a gun. These people don't obey the laws. What makes you think that anyone wanting to do harm to a lot of people wouldn't be able to get his hands on a lot of guns or a lot of magazines or a lot of ammunition?

The only thing that would have limited the body count, in this case, is that if someone in the church could have returned fire. These cowards almost always pick gun free zones. Churches, in particular, are very soft targets and target rich environments. There are however some churches that are allowing the people to carry inside the church during services. Hopefully, more will begin doing this.

[billethkid]

The attitudes of the day i.e. permissiveness, the dreaded political correctness to name the top two.

Not wanting to offend anybody hence no politician or special interest group would suggest black listing gun ownership or anything else for that matter. Might offend someone and lose a few votes.

Why is it not an automatic NO for the dis-honerable discharged?
Why is it not an automatic NO for the known mentally ill/disturbed?

The majority of us would have no problem supporting the implementation of such guidelines.

Would it have stopped any of the mass shootings?
Maybe. But we won't know until we take a stand against those with such known conditions.

The ACLU and other special interest groups be damned and put to the back of the priorities......like they used to be once upon a time!!

[Kenswing]

Are you aware that this guy was banned from owning or having access to a gun? He was dishonorably discharged from the military and had mental health issues. Yet, he was able to get a gun. These people don't obey the laws. What makes you think that anyone wanting to do harm to a lot of people wouldn't be able to get his hands on a lot of guns or a lot of magazines or a lot of ammunition?

The only thing that would have limited the body count, in this case, is that if someone in the church could have returned fire. These cowards almost always pick gun free zones. Churches, in particular, are very soft targets and target rich environments. There are however some churches that are allowing the people to carry inside the church during services. Hopefully, more will begin doing this.
Someone did return fire. He had three bullets in him. Only the one to the head was self inflicted.

[Jack9696]

Someone did return fire. He had three bullets in him. Only the one to the head was self inflicted.Without armed citizens, who knows how many more would be dead.

Maybe another church too.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Was that in the news? In these kind of situations I would expect many people would freeze up even if armed and not doing anything but maybe try to run. Especially in a rural Texas church.

It is about taking measures to stop the next would be mass murderer. We should be trying everything to fix this problem. Not just yelling at one another.

I'm not yelling at anyone. I'm simply putting forth my opinion on the matter. I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it and I'd hope that you'd do the same with me.

Would some people freeze up and not do anything? Maybe. But someone might return fire and either take the shooter down or cause him to run. Sometimes just the fact that a lot of people in the room are armed would be enough to stop someone like this for perpetrating this act. With no one able to return fire, the perpetrator can stand there and continue firing knowing that there is zero chance of anyone firing back. If the worshipers were armed there is a good chanced that lives would have been saved. There is no guarantee of course but if some of the worshippers had guns, there would have been a chance. With a church full of unarmed people there was no chance.

As far as them running, most churches have their entrances at the back while the attendees face the front. This guy probably shot several people before anyone realized what was going on. People would want to run toward the door, but that where the shots were coming from.

Most mass murders take place in gun free zones. Bad people don't follow the law. If I go into a gun free zone, I leave my gun in my car. The guy that wants to kill a lot of people at the airport doesn't leave his gun in the car.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Laws define crimes and provide punishment for violating them.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The attitudes of the day i.e. permissiveness, the dreaded political correctness to name the top two.

Not wanting to offend anybody hence no politician or special interest group would suggest black listing gun ownership or anything else for that matter. Might offend someone and lose a few votes.

Why is it not an automatic NO for the dis-honerable discharged?
Why is it not an automatic NO for the known mentally ill/disturbed?

The majority of us would have no problem supporting the implementation of such guidelines.

Would it have stopped any of the mass shootings?
Maybe. But we won't know until we take a stand against those with such known conditions.

The ACLU and other special interest groups be damned and put to the back of the priorities......like they used to be once upon a time!!

There is an automatic no for the dishonorably discharged and those with certain mental health issues. This guy had illegal guns.

People who want to commit a crime don't obey the law.

[Don Baldwin]

I'm seeing a lot of posts where you state that blacks commit 90% of the crime. Can you tell me where you are getting that information from? The only data I could find is a 2012 FBI report that shows us white folk commit more crime. FBI — Table 43 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf)

I understand blacks make up just 13% of the population so their per capita rate might be higher. But I still can't see where you get the 90% figure.

You're right...minorities commit 90% of the crimes. I misspoke in that sentence...the other posts say 90% is committed by blacks/hispanics...minorities. I try to be careful and stay consistent.

You'll notice that the table you linked to has NOTHING for Hispanic. They are counted as white but they're not...and they're violent too...much more than REAL white people. I stand by 90% of crimes...most violent crimes anyway...are committed by minorities.

"White Black American Indian or Alaskan Native Asian or Pacific Islander"

Where is Hispanic? The majority of children being born are Hispanic. They're the majority below age 7. A Hispanic child is born in America every minute and a half.


Compare crimes in the villages to any other "diverse" city of 150,000. It won't come close. Compare ANY 99% white place to a diverse place and you'll see the same...MUCH more crime in the "diverse" place.

Many if not most inner city crimes aren't reported.

[Kenswing]

You're right...minorities commit 90% of the crimes. I misspoke in that sentence...the other posts say 90% is committed by blacks/hispanics...minorities. I try to be careful and stay consistent.

You'll notice that the table you linked to has NOTHING for Hispanic. They are counted as white but they're not...and they're violent too...much more than REAL white people. I stand by 90% of crimes...most anyway...are committed by minorities.

Compare crimes in the villages to any other "diverse" city of 150,000. It won't come close. Compare ANY 99% white place to a diverse place and you'll see the same...MUCH more crime in the "diverse" place.

Many if not most inner city crimes aren't reported.
Regardless of whether Hispanics are listed or not. There's still no data that I can find that suggests that minorities account for 90% of even one crime category. That chart lists Whites account for 69.3% of all crime. That only leaves 30.7% for ALL other races.

Your conclusions aren't all wrong.. Blacks do commit more than their fair share of murders. According to the FBI chart they commit almost half of all murders. That's a lot for being only 13% of the total population.

But until you can site some real numbers, your 90% claim holds no water.

Edited to add.. I was able to find some incarceration statistics that do break out Hispanic from White. That data shows 39% White, 19% Hispanic and 40% Black.

[Don Baldwin]

Regardless of whether Hispanics are listed or not. There's still no data that I can find that suggests that minorities account for 90% of even one crime category. That chart lists Whites account for 69.3% of all crime. That only leaves 30.7% for ALL other races.

Your conclusions aren't all wrong.. Blacks do commit more than their fair share of murders. According to the FBI chart they commit almost half of all murders. That's a lot for being only 13% of the total population.

But until you can site some real numbers, your 90% claim holds no water.

Edited to add.. I was able to find some incarceration statistics that do break out Hispanic from White. That data shows 39% White, 19% Hispanic and 40% Black.

Hispanics are lumped in with whites. THEIR CRIMES are counted as OUR CRIMES.

THERE IS NO DATA ON HISPANIC CRIME RATES.

Look at it AGAIN...they commit MORE than half of all murders and they're only 13% of the population and that's what we were talking about...blacks killing with guns.

incarceration rates mean nothing. Can't have the prisons 90% minority...that's racist.

Many inner city crimes are never reported...I'd guess the REAL crime rate is double and probably triple what is reported.

[Taltarzac725]

There is an automatic no for the dishonorably discharged and those with certain mental health issues. This guy had illegal guns.

People who want to commit a crime don't obey the law.

Point taken but laws would stop some people from getting their hands on guns. Keeping an eye on your neighbors and friends for odd behavior and dozens of other practical things could also been done like education against bullying and more on empathy.

Mental health agencies need a lot of work as they are a mess it seems only having a emphasis on prescribing pills rather than addressing underlying conditions. There is too much of a need for a quick fix when these do not work.

[Don Baldwin]

Point taken but laws would stop some people from getting their hands on guns. Keeping an eye on your neighbors and friends for odd behavior and dozens of other practical things could also been done like education against bullying and more on empathy.

Mental health agencies need a lot of work as they are a mess it seems only having a emphasis on prescribing pills rather than addressing underlying conditions. There is too much of a need for a quick fix when these do not work.

Stop who? Chicago has pretty much outlawed guns yet the inner cities are full of them.

Is THAT what you want? Nazi Germany? Communist Russia? Everyone watching and snitching on everyone else?

They're too busy naming EVERY "condition" known to man...except homosexuality and gender disorders. NOBODY thinks a flaming queer...a man who shows his love by sticking his pen!s in his "lovers" ass...is normal...except the psychiatric institutions.

[cologal]

Are you aware that this guy was banned from owning or having access to a gun? He was dishonorably discharged from the military and had mental health issues. Yet, he was able to get a gun. These people don't obey the laws. What makes you think that anyone wanting to do harm to a lot of people wouldn't be able to get his hands on a lot of guns or a lot of magazines or a lot of ammunition?

The only thing that would have limited the body count, in this case, is that if someone in the church could have returned fire. These cowards almost always pick gun free zones. Churches, in particular, are very soft targets and target rich environments. There are however some churches that are allowing the people to carry inside the church during services. Hopefully, more will begin doing this.

When I did my post that information was not out yet. And now we know the Air Force never entered the shooter in the crime database.

You sing the mantra of the NRA "The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."

Gun Free Zones....LOL! The NRA would love it if we all started packing! Both Texas and Colorado are OPEN CARRY states handguns to assault-type rifles you can openly pack!

Don't we, the non-packing public, have an expectation not to be shot because some guys ________ (fill in the blank) so he decided to grab an assault weapon, some high capacity clips, and a kevlar vest to shoot up some innocent people.

You are correct about the ability of anyone to buy assault-style weapons, high capacity clips, mountains of bullets and kevlar vests! The gun show loop-hole is alive and well.

We have this same discussion after everyone these domestic terror attacks! It is time for some action.

Why is that white males like to go out in a blaze of bullets?

White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox (https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam)

The time for thoughts and prayers has passed, its time for some action!

COPUFF

[Kenswing]

BTW.. The guy that shot this scumbag was a former NRA instructor. How's that for irony?

[cologal]

BTW. The guy that shot this scumbag was a former NRA instructor. How's that for irony?

Now that's ironic! Another poster claimed, incorrectly, that the church was a GUN FREE ZONE....had there been a good guy with gun things would have been better.

There was a guy packing in the church so it wasn't a gun free zone. But his 6 shooter was no match for a AR 15.

This blows the NRA mantra.....

COPUFF

[Don Baldwin]

When I did my post that information was not out yet. And now we know the Air Force never entered the shooter in the crime database.

You sing the mantra of the NRA "The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."

Gun Free Zones....LOL! The NRA would love it if we all started packing! Both Texas and Colorado are OPEN CARRY states handguns to assault-type rifles you can openly pack!

Don't we, the non-packing public, have an expectation not to be shot because some guys ________ (fill in the blank) so he decided to grab an assault weapon, some high capacity clips, and a kevlar vest to shoot up some innocent people.

You are correct about the ability of anyone to buy assault-style weapons, high capacity clips, mountains of bullets and kevlar vests! The gun show loop-hole is alive and well.

We have this same discussion after everyone these domestic terror attacks! It is time for some action.

Why is that white males like to go out in a blaze of bullets?

White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox (https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/2/16396612/las-vegas-mass-shooting-terrorism-islam)

The time for thoughts and prayers has passed, its time for some action!

COPUFF

Because we stumbled into a minority gangland in any major city? WHICH is MORE dangerous...a church in any random "white" area...or MLK Blvd in ANY major city? 557 killed in Chicago so far this year...90% committed by minorities. You FEAR this shooting because it's come to YOUR neighborhoods now.

Supposedly 51 mass killings by whites in 40 years...while in the inner city slums...there's "mass killings" going on every weekend.

Maybe these white men feel like they've been screwed? Maybe his life was DESTROYED by a lying wife with trumped up charges? Maybe she should have been there and SHE was the target?

White men ARE being royally screwed in this country. We're being ACTIVELY discriminated against in schools and jobs via quotas taking OUR slot away. We're having our lives DESTROYED in unjust divorce orders. Anything "manly" is considered bad because it's not "kindness and sharing". We're shown as fools in the media.

Maybe he'd just had enough. Do you think the media will tell us that the Las Vegas shooter was f@cked over financially and THAT is why he snapped? Or this church guy...maybe that IS where his ex went to church.

Why would they RANDOMLY do these things? I don't think these shootings were random at all...we're just NOT being told ALL the facts. I think most are revenge motivated and something links these places to the shooter.

You can only do so much to a man before he strikes out. And as you can see...there's nothing more dangerous than a ****ed off white guy.

[billethkid]

Why is the discussion regarding guns/gun control such a prominent or even pertinent discussion.....every time their is a shooting. Kinda like new years, get the horns off the shelf and toot....put em away till the next time!!!

Those who trigger (yes pun intended) the post shooting frenzy are in the smallest percent minority in the gun owner population.

The other 98% (my number) or more that own guns, do so responsibly and without incident.

Many are very active in some aspect of shooting sports and have many guns and thousands and thousands of ammunitions of various types.

Out of the millions and millions of people who partake in some from of gun ownership or sport or just plain old self security how often is there a mishap? Accident? Wounding?

The above should be viewed as academic questions as there is such an over whelming knowledge that none is the answer.

Yet when an isolated wacko goes tilt the subject of gun ownership and control is always painted as the big bad boogey man.

All we can hope for is the anti gunners first and foremost understand their subject. Most do not.

Then identify the real problem/issue....not the partisan/media/special interest/minority report BS of the day.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wjboyer1]

why is the discussion regarding guns/gun control such a prominent or even pertinent discussion.....every time their is a shooting. Kinda like new years, get the horns off the shelf and toot....put em away till the next time!!!

Those who trigger (yes pun intended) the post shooting frenzy are in the smallest percent minority in the gun owner population.

The other 98% (my number) or more that own guns, do so responsibly and without incident.

Many are very active in some aspect of shooting sports and have many guns and thousands and thousands of ammunitions of various types.

Out of the millions and millions of people who partake in some from of gun ownership or sport or just plain old self security how often is there a mishap? Accident? Wounding?

The above should be viewed as academic questions as there is such an over whelming knowledge that none is the answer.

Yet when an isolated wacko goes tilt the subject of gun ownership and control is always painted as the big bad boogey man.

All we can hope for is the anti gunners first and foremost understand their subject. Most do not.

Then identify the real problem/issue....not the partisan/media/special interest/minority report bs of the day.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions daily that the problem is not guns or gun ownership.

it is demonstrated daily by many millions daily that the problem is not guns or gun ownership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Wiotte]

Why is the discussion regarding guns/gun control such a prominent or even pertinent discussion.....every time their is a shooting. Kinda like new years, get the horns off the shelf and toot....put em away till the next time!!!



Those who trigger (yes pun intended) the post shooting frenzy are in the smallest percent minority in the gun owner population.



The other 98% (my number) or more that own guns, do so responsibly and without incident.



Many are very active in some aspect of shooting sports and have many guns and thousands and thousands of ammunitions of various types.



Out of the millions and millions of people who partake in some from of gun ownership or sport or just plain old self security how often is there a mishap? Accident? Wounding?



The above should be viewed as academic questions as there is such an over whelming knowledge that none is the answer.



Yet when an isolated wacko goes tilt the subject of gun ownership and control is always painted as the big bad boogey man.



All we can hope for is the anti gunners first and foremost understand their subject. Most do not.



Then identify the real problem/issue....not the partisan/media/special interest/minority report BS of the day.



It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership.



It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Guns were developed for one reason and one reason only. To kill or maim another human being. Let’s call it a “sport” to make it palatable so as to justify civilian ownership. At times I think we would have been better off remaining a British colony. The radicals who deceived the colonists to rebel are very much like the alt right is today.


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[Don Baldwin]

Why is the discussion regarding guns/gun control such a prominent or even pertinent discussion.....every time their is a shooting. Kinda like new years, get the horns off the shelf and toot....put em away till the next time!!!

Those who trigger (yes pun intended) the post shooting frenzy are in the smallest percent minority in the gun owner population.

The other 98% (my number) or more that own guns, do so responsibly and without incident.

Many are very active in some aspect of shooting sports and have many guns and thousands and thousands of ammunitions of various types.

Out of the millions and millions of people who partake in some from of gun ownership or sport or just plain old self security how often is there a mishap? Accident? Wounding?

The above should be viewed as academic questions as there is such an over whelming knowledge that none is the answer.

Yet when an isolated wacko goes tilt the subject of gun ownership and control is always painted as the big bad boogey man.

All we can hope for is the anti gunners first and foremost understand their subject. Most do not.

Then identify the real problem/issue....not the partisan/media/special interest/minority report BS of the day.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHITE people...98% of WHITE gun owners are responsible. 98% of BLACKS who own guns...and shouldn't...are NOT responsible. Get it straight. Things white people do...the way white people act...is NOT the same as how black people do it.

The "gun problem"...the "violence problem" is a race problem. Ignore it at your peril...they are becoming the majority.

Guns were developed for one reason and one reason only. To kill or maim another human being. Let’s call it a “sport” to make it palatable so as to justify civilian ownership. At times I think we would have been better off remaining a British colony. The radicals who deceived the colonists to rebel are very much like the alt right is today.


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Oh bullsh!t..."guns" were made foremost for hunting. Only recently mostly for killing. NOW most guns are not for hunting.

Actually...the left is destroying America...promoting the minorities over whites. Allowing the minorities to breed us out. America WILL BE 80% minorities and only 20% white in 30 years.

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