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wjboyer1
11-11-2017, 12:31 PM
Why conservatives are more susceptible to believing in lies. (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believin g_in_lies.html)
Wiotte
11-11-2017, 12:40 PM
Why conservatives are more susceptible to believing in lies. (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believin g_in_lies.html)
I’ve often wondered why educated clergy such as the Jesuits believe in god. Surely they are of above average IQ yet a part of their brain denies logical thought. Therefore, they and the republicans have a serious affective thought disorder.
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rubicon
11-11-2017, 12:42 PM
Why conservatives are more susceptible to believing in lies. (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/11/why_conservatives_are_more_susceptible_to_believin g_in_lies.html)
I believe the more important question to be answered is why are so many progressives prone to lie, bear false witness, spew hate and deceit, indulge in schadenfreude,
invent non-existent rights, demand equal outcomes, embrace abnormalities as being normal, murder the unborn, etc.
Personal Best Regards:
wjboyer1
11-11-2017, 12:59 PM
I believe the more important question to be answered is why are so many progressives prone to lie, bear false witness, spew hate and deceit, indulge in schadenfreude,
invent non-existent rights, demand equal outcomes, embrace abnormalities as being normal, murder the unborn, etc.
Personal Best Regards:
A very poor misdirection by a person who believes the lies that are presented through Fox Noise, conservative outlets, and Trump
Wiotte
11-11-2017, 01:13 PM
A very poor misdirection by a person who believes the lies that are presented through Fox Noise, conservative outlets, and Trump
All of which cater to their tribal fears of people not exactly like themselves.
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Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 01:16 PM
I believe the more important question to be answered is why are so many progressives prone to lie, bear false witness, spew hate and deceit, indulge in schadenfreude,
invent non-existent rights, demand equal outcomes, embrace abnormalities as being normal, murder the unborn, etc.
Personal Best Regards:
This is tongue in cheek right ?
You believe honesty is a result of political views or registration card ?
Trump lied, cheated, defamed and made false accusations as a Democrat.
Trump lies, cheats, defames and makes false accusations as a Republican.
How does that factor.
Only real fools make statements like you did...
Topspinmo
11-11-2017, 01:21 PM
And you post liberal online rag as your source. You might want to really think about what you've posted. What's next bugs bunny or woody woodpecker manifestos.
wjboyer1
11-11-2017, 01:27 PM
And you post liberal online rag as your source. You might want to really think about what you've posted. What's next bugs bunny or woody woodpecker manifestos.
People who cannot use facts to support their argumentation will criticize the sources used by the opposite view. A very poor attempt to discredit your stupidity.
Topspinmo
11-11-2017, 01:34 PM
This is tongue in cheek right ?
You believe honesty is a result of political views or registration card ?
Trump lied, cheated, defamed and made false accusations as a Democrat.
Trump lies, cheats, defames and makes false accusations as a Republican.
How does that factor.
Only real fools make statements like you did...
Just reverting back to when he was democrat and the last eight years of false accusations and lies that sheep following fools believed. I don't see trump as republican, he only use the party to get elected which wasn't hard with proven DNC lies and the big cheat giving up the debate questions. But that how liberal get ahead cheating, they done it in high school, done it in college, done in their jobs. So to them it wasn't cheating nor lie lying about it. So let's ask the real question what integrity does democrats have being proven cheaters and lair's.
Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 01:35 PM
And you post liberal online rag as your source. You might want to really think about what you've posted. What's next bugs bunny or woody woodpecker manifestos.
I posted no source. That is all my words.
Would you like links to what I refer ? Many, many of them..from newspapers, radio shows, court hearings, etc.
What I posted, I was under the impression that any American who can read knows all about.
"Trump was registered as a Democrat for more than eight years in the 2000s, according to New York City voter records made public during his campaign for president in 2016."
“He was a Democrat longer than he was a Republican. He's given more money to Democrats than he has to Republicans," Bush said. (Among the politicians Trump has given money to is former Secretary of State and U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton.)
It probably didn't help Trump's case among conservative voters that he's spoken very highly of some of Democrats who are typically vilified by conservatives including Harry Reid, Oprah Winfrey, Hillary Clinton and even Nancy Pelosi."
Was Donald Trump Ever a Democrat? (https://www.thoughtco.com/was-donald-trump-a-democrat-3367571)
"Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. Trump was a Democrat prior to 1987.[283] In 1987, Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan.[284]
In 1999, Trump switched to the Reform Party and ran a presidential exploratory campaign for its nomination. After his run, Trump left the party in 2001 due to the involvement of David Duke, Pat Buchanan, and Lenora Fulani.[285]
From 2001 to 2008, Trump identified himself as a Democrat, but in 2008, he endorsed Republican John McCain for president. In 2009, he officially changed his party registration to Republican.[286] In December 2011, Trump became an independent for five months before returning to the Republican Party, where he later pledged to stay.[287][288]
Trump has made contributions to campaigns of both Republican Party and Democratic Party candidates, with the top ten recipients of his political contributions being six Democrats and four Republicans.[289] "
Donald Trump - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump)
Topspinmo
11-11-2017, 01:36 PM
People who cannot use facts to support their argumentation will criticize the sources used by the opposite view. A very poor attempt to discredit your stupidity.
You did google the slate right? LIBERAL ONLINE mag. Taking about stoopid!!!
Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 01:40 PM
Just reverting back to when he was democrat and the last eight years of false accusations and lies that sheep following fools believed. I don't see trump as republican, he only use the party to get elected which wasn't hard with proven DNC lies and the big cheat giving up the debate questions. But that how liberal get ahead cheating, they done it in high school, done it in college, done in their jobs. So to them it wasn't cheating nor lie lying about it. So let's ask the real question what integrity does democrats have being proven cheaters and lair's.
Again, do you actually choose friends, business associates, etc by checking voter registration.
Only, and I mean, only a fool would make such statements about so many millions and millions of other Americans.
If you believe that, your life must be a mess.
mellincf
11-11-2017, 01:46 PM
Just reverting back to when he was democrat and the last eight years of false accusations and lies that sheep following fools believed. I don't see trump as republican, he only use the party to get elected which wasn't hard with proven DNC lies and the big cheat giving up the debate questions. But that how liberal get ahead cheating, they done it in high school, done it in college, done in their jobs. So to them it wasn't cheating nor lie lying about it. So let's ask the real question what integrity does democrats have being proven cheaters and lair's.
When someone posts a screed such as the above, full of misspellings and grammatical errors, the content is easily dismissed by the obvious, glaring lack of education and childlike inability to think critically, of the poster.
mellincf
11-11-2017, 01:51 PM
I believe the more important question to be answered is why are so many progressives prone to lie, bear false witness, spew hate and deceit, indulge in schadenfreude,
invent non-existent rights, demand equal outcomes, embrace abnormalities as being normal, murder the unborn, etc.
Personal Best Regards:
And I've often wondered why conservatives who hate "welfare queens" ignore the fact that it costs the taxpayers $240,000 to raise one child on welfare, while it is illegal for taxpayer money to give one dollar to abortion. Meanwhile, a million babies are born every four days as conservatives scream about the national debt.
Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment)
Kenswing
11-11-2017, 02:00 PM
I support killing everyone.. If you're on welfare you either get sterilized or have mandatory abortions. I'm also in favor of the death penalty.
Liberals are all for killing an unborn child but will fight tooth and nail to save someone on Death Row.
Conservatives will fight tooth and nail to save an unborn/unwanted child but will gladly kill someone who commits a crime.
With the population explosion in this country the more people we can get rid of or prevent from being born sounds like a good idea..
wjboyer1
11-11-2017, 02:20 PM
I support killing everyone.. If you're on welfare you either get sterilized or have mandatory abortions. I'm also in favor of the death penalty.
Liberals are all for killing an unborn child but will fight tooth and nail to save someone on Death Row.
Conservatives will fight tooth and nail to save an unborn/unwanted child but will gladly kill someone who commits a crime.
With the population explosion in this country the more people we can get rid of or prevent from being born sounds like a good idea..
Looks like you belong to the Mass Murder group(probably white male with guns in your possession)....perhaps the FBI needs to be informed of you
Kenswing
11-11-2017, 02:27 PM
Looks like you belong to the Mass Murder group(probably white male with guns in your possession)....perhaps the FBI needs to be informed of youMass murderer? Really?
Liberals don't consider abortion murder. Conservatives don't consider the death penalty murder. But because I support both I'm a mass murderer candidate? Your logic is flawed.
Wiotte
11-11-2017, 02:30 PM
Looks like you belong to the Mass Murder group(probably white male with guns in your possession)....perhaps the FBI needs to be informed of you
Periodically culling the herd is healthy for the remaining. Our planet is finite yet we continue to reproduce and life extend. Our resources are being depleted, our air is polluted. Less people equals a healthier planet and healthier humans. Seems logical to me.
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wjboyer1
11-11-2017, 02:31 PM
I support killing everyone..
your words.....not mine
Kenswing
11-11-2017, 02:33 PM
your words.....not mine
I guess you just ignored the following sentence.. Typical..
Taltarzac725
11-11-2017, 05:37 PM
This is tongue in cheek right ?
You believe honesty is a result of political views or registration card ?
Trump lied, cheated, defamed and made false accusations as a Democrat.
Trump lies, cheats, defames and makes false accusations as a Republican.
How does that factor.
Only real fools make statements like you did...
Good point. Trump lies no matter what color he is or party he has on.
mellincf
11-11-2017, 06:55 PM
Periodically culling the herd is healthy for the remaining. Our planet is finite yet we continue to reproduce and life extend. Our resources are being depleted, our air is polluted. Less people equals a healthier planet and healthier humans. Seems logical to me.
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Scientists have been warning of the next great plague. If only the Bill Gates of this world would use their great wealth to educate the most populous nations, such as India and some in Africa, about birth control, I think it would help. I wish we had universal sex education starting in sixth grade and universal free contraception everywhere.
MikeV
11-11-2017, 07:27 PM
I believe the more important question to be answered is why are so many progressives prone to lie, bear false witness, spew hate and deceit, indulge in schadenfreude,
invent non-existent rights, demand equal outcomes, embrace abnormalities as being normal, murder the unborn, etc.
Personal Best Regards:
Well stated.
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Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 07:44 PM
Well stated.
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Well stated ?
It is generalization, mean spirited, un substantiated, vile, and pompous.
This country is dead with such feelings.....totally.
This is unamerican, anti patriotic, and self indulgent.
This statement you call "well stated" assumes sainthood on conservatives.
We have a lying multi cheater in the White House who on an international stage demeans United States Intelligence agencies....all of them and actually calls them liars. He then seems to have lied about even discussing the issue with Putin.
This is the person who leads conservatives.
Conservatives run to the defense of what appears to be a pedophile to be in the senate and uses the Holy Family as a defense.
We have a President that has MORE sexual allegations against him than the infamous Weinstein creep.
And you say defend the biggest Russian backer on this forum, who not only does not back up what he says, but can't.
You two have the very minimum of standards...no, less than minimum standards.
If you need specific links to my charges, let me know....neither of you two big mouths can back up what you accuse in such a lighthearted, non factual way.
You represent ALL that is wrong with this country.
Don Baldwin
11-11-2017, 08:41 PM
I’ve often wondered why educated clergy such as the Jesuits believe in god. Surely they are of above average IQ yet a part of their brain denies logical thought. Therefore, they and the republicans have a serious affective thought disorder.
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Surely educated people of above average IQ shouldn't deny logical thought and think the blacks are equal. As a people...what have they done? Go down to MLK Blvd if you want to know "what they've done"...they destroyed it. Look what they do to schools...they destroy them. Half are on welfare and most of the other half live off of them.
All of which cater to their tribal fears of people not exactly like themselves.
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Tribal fears? You mean fear of being bred out of our own country...bred into extinction. They ARE the majority below age 7 and in 30 years...they ARE the majority. And we'll live in a Mexico II.
This is tongue in cheek right ?
You believe honesty is a result of political views or registration card ?
Trump lied, cheated, defamed and made false accusations as a Democrat.
Trump lies, cheats, defames and makes false accusations as a Republican.
How does that factor.
Only real fools make statements like you did...
They ALL lie and cheat and steal....
And I've often wondered why conservatives who hate "welfare queens" ignore the fact that it costs the taxpayers $240,000 to raise one child on welfare, while it is illegal for taxpayer money to give one dollar to abortion. Meanwhile, a million babies are born every four days as conservatives scream about the national debt.
Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment)
It's INSANE what we give to the poor. The cost is why white people don't have kids...WE can't afford them because WE HAVE TO PAY for everything...$60,000 a year in benefits...is given to these welfare queens.
Your government really screwed us. Johnson really screwed us.
I support killing everyone.. If you're on welfare you either get sterilized or have mandatory abortions. I'm also in favor of the death penalty.
Liberals are all for killing an unborn child but will fight tooth and nail to save someone on Death Row.
Conservatives will fight tooth and nail to save an unborn/unwanted child but will gladly kill someone who commits a crime.
With the population explosion in this country the more people we can get rid of or prevent from being born sounds like a good idea..
How about if this child WILL put you on welfare...it's aborted?
Isn't it funny how it works like that? We're exactly opposites...by design. We're supposed to be divided
You're not kidding...especially the minorities who are now 51% of the population and the majority below age 7. Yes...they really are breeding us out.
The world is made up of 6-7 billion poor people living on less than $10 a day...80% of the worlds population are desperately poor and in need of constant aid...unsustainable aid.
Periodically culling the herd is healthy for the remaining. Our planet is finite yet we continue to reproduce and life extend. Our resources are being depleted, our air is polluted. Less people equals a healthier planet and healthier humans. Seems logical to me.
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It IS logical. Already we push farther and farther, deeper and deeper to get to the resources we NEED. The low hanging fruit is all gone. Now we have to pump oil from the arctic, out in cold rough oceans, many many thousands of feet deep.
We can't carry so many people. Not when ALL of them want our standard of living.
Scientists have been warning of the next great plague. If only the Bill Gates of this world would use their great wealth to educate the most populous nations, such as India and some in Africa, about birth control, I think it would help. I wish we had universal sex education starting in sixth grade and universal free contraception everywhere.
Yes...we foolishly feed them...so they have the energy to run home and make babies.
We've been IDIOTS promoting a bunch of primitive...sub-human savages ahead of ourselves.
Topspinmo
11-11-2017, 09:07 PM
Again, do you actually choose friends, business associates, etc by checking voter registration.
Only, and I mean, only a fool would make such statements about so many millions and millions of other Americans.
If you believe that, your life must be a mess.
Spoken like true cheater.
Topspinmo
11-11-2017, 09:09 PM
When someone posts a screed such as the above, full of misspellings and grammatical errors, the content is easily dismissed by the obvious, glaring lack of education and childlike inability to think critically, of the poster.
So DNC didn't cheat, lie, and screw Bernie! Taking about brained washed sheep following idiot
Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 09:17 PM
So DNC didn't cheat, lie, and screw Bernie! Taking about brained washed sheep following idiot
DNC is a semi private organization. I am sure theybstacked the deck, but IF YOU READ, they KNEW they were stacking the deck to get Clinton money.
Nothing illegal or even in the dark. Was known within the party
Please...before you post, read and know of what you speak. Running from Fox News to here, or reading an email you got is simply ludicrous.
Do you WANT to look stupid ?
Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 09:23 PM
Daily reminder that Jared Kushner, a man with opaque financial ties to basically every American adversary, still has a security clearance
MikeV
11-11-2017, 09:52 PM
Well stated ?
It is generalization, mean spirited, un substantiated, vile, and pompous.
This country is dead with such feelings.....totally.
This is unamerican, anti patriotic, and self indulgent.
This statement you call "well stated" assumes sainthood on conservatives.
We have a lying multi cheater in the White House who on an international stage demeans United States Intelligence agencies....all of them and actually calls them liars. He then seems to have lied about even discussing the issue with Putin.
This is the person who leads conservatives.
Conservatives run to the defense of what appears to be a pedophile to be in the senate and uses the Holy Family as a defense.
We have a President that has MORE sexual allegations against him than the infamous Weinstein creep.
And you say defend the biggest Russian backer on this forum, who not only does not back up what he says, but can't.
You two have the very minimum of standards...no, less than minimum standards.
If you need specific links to my charges, let me know....neither of you two big mouths can back up what you accuse in such a lighthearted, non factual way.
You represent ALL that is wrong with this country.
You’re response to a simple statement proves rubicon’s post.
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Don Baldwin
11-11-2017, 10:02 PM
DNC is a semi private organization. I am sure theybstacked the deck, but IF YOU READ, they KNEW they were stacking the deck to get Clinton money.
Nothing illegal or even in the dark. Was known within the party
Please...before you post, read and know of what you speak. Running from Fox News to here, or reading an email you got is simply ludicrous.
Do you WANT to look stupid ?
It's the liaison between the corporate masters and the politicians...where the right "candidate" for the job is chosen.
We have NO "choice" when we vote...they're BOTH hand picked and sworn to the party. Pick the D or the R...it doesn't matter to them...they "own" them both.
Rockyrd
11-11-2017, 10:05 PM
You’re response to a simple statement proves rubicon’s post.
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It is insulting to even say Rubicon ever makes a point.
Can you direct me to the last post that had any substantiation whatsoever ?
Do you recall one time, last I recall him even linking to any site...last I recall was to a Russian site...ZeroHedge.
He has plagerized, stolen words and lectures as if he is above it all, when he simply is a troll with a good vocabulary.
He bitches about discussing issues, but I personally have begun about 7 threads on policies. He never attends.
He does not think a lying President who makes false accusations is an issue. Instead he attacks those of us who are proud Americans that value truth and calls us afflicted with a syndrome that he at first said HE came up with, until corrected by another poster.
He constantly demeans our free press NEVER with ANY substantiation.
He speaks of virtue, honesty and goodness but supports, even at times appears to love, Trump who is the opposite.
SO, I want no part of any Rubicon point.
Don Baldwin
11-11-2017, 10:42 PM
It is insulting to even say Rubicon ever makes a point.
Can you direct me to the last post that had any substantiation whatsoever ?
Do you recall one time, last I recall him even linking to any site...last I recall was to a Russian site...ZeroHedge.
He has plagerized, stolen words and lectures as if he is above it all, when he simply is a troll with a good vocabulary.
He bitches about discussing issues, but I personally have begun about 7 threads on policies. He never attends.
He does not think a lying President who makes false accusations is an issue. Instead he attacks those of us who are proud Americans that value truth and calls us afflicted with a syndrome that he at first said HE came up with, until corrected by another poster.
He constantly demeans our free press NEVER with ANY substantiation.
He speaks of virtue, honesty and goodness but supports, even at times appears to love, Trump who is the opposite.
SO, I want no part of any Rubicon point.
I've been there...it has good AND bad information.
WHAT do you value rocky...tell us...WHAT is a "real" American to you...what does a "real" American value and think about things?
wjboyer1
11-11-2017, 11:44 PM
Why conservatives are more likely than liberals to believe false information about threats - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-conservative-believe-false-threats-20170202-story.html)
Why Trump Supporters Were Susceptible to Fake News - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/why-fake-news-targeted-trump-supporters/515433/)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/tax-cut-fever-republican-supply-side-theory-hogwash-bruce-bartlett-column/704464001/
Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658)
Rockyrd
11-12-2017, 07:39 AM
I've been there...it has good AND bad information.
WHAT do you value rocky...tell us...WHAT is a "real" American to you...what does a "real" American value and think about things?
TRUTH AND HONESTY. I want to believe what I am told on major issues...I want the person who speaks for us to be of integrity and to be respected. I want the person who speaks for us to be a patriot and act like one, not simply use the words.\
I want the person who speaks for us to be proud of our country, and to show it.
These are a few, but it all starts with an honesty, values and morals.
Don Baldwin
11-12-2017, 07:57 AM
Why conservatives are more likely than liberals to believe false information about threats - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-conservative-believe-false-threats-20170202-story.html)
Why Trump Supporters Were Susceptible to Fake News - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/why-fake-news-targeted-trump-supporters/515433/)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/09/27/tax-cut-fever-republican-supply-side-theory-hogwash-bruce-bartlett-column/704464001/
Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658)
Propaganda...all of it. Used to keep the populous divided.
Dr Winston O Boogie jr
11-12-2017, 07:58 AM
I don't recall conservatives believing lies such as, "If you like you doctor you can keep your doctor", Insurance premiums will go down by 50%", "I never had sexual relations with that woman",
It takes a village to raise a child".
Don Baldwin
11-12-2017, 07:59 AM
TRUTH AND HONESTY. I want to believe what I am told on major issues...I want the person who speaks for us to be of integrity and to be respected. I want the person who speaks for us to be a patriot and act like one, not simply use the words.\
I want the person who speaks for us to be proud of our country, and to show it.
These are a few, but it all starts with an honesty, values and morals.
And you won't find ANY of that in politics...in government.
They are ALL corrupt thieves! Coming up with ways to loot the treasury.
wjboyer1
11-12-2017, 09:29 AM
i don't recall conservatives believing lies such as, "if you like you doctor you can keep your doctor", insurance premiums will go down by 50%", "i never had sexual relations with that woman",
it takes a village to raise a child".
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rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:17 PM
A very poor misdirection by a person who believes the lies that are presented through Fox Noise, conservative outlets, and Trump
there it is . See at the end of this sentence "Trump"
Trump Derangement Syndrome. :D
rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:25 PM
All of which cater to their tribal fears of people not exactly like themselves.
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this coming from the identity politics of the left.
Indeed tribal fears are real for some. Civilization required one respect the sanctity of the individual over the collective .
However the left reaching for safe spaces all live in cocoons known as collectives. None dare act out alone. None dare be individuals and speak for themselves.
Its why Donna Brazile has become number one on liberals hit list
Personal Best Regards:
rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:26 PM
This is tongue in cheek right ?
You believe honesty is a result of political views or registration card ?
Trump lied, cheated, defamed and made false accusations as a Democrat.
Trump lies, cheats, defames and makes false accusations as a Republican.
How does that factor.
Only real fools make statements like you did...
Trump Derangement Syndrome again...what a surprise
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rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:30 PM
I posted no source. That is all my words.
Would you like links to what I refer ? Many, many of them..from newspapers, radio shows, court hearings, etc.
What I posted, I was under the impression that any American who can read knows all about.
"Trump was registered as a Democrat for more than eight years in the 2000s, according to New York City voter records made public during his campaign for president in 2016."
“He was a Democrat longer than he was a Republican. He's given more money to Democrats than he has to Republicans," Bush said. (Among the politicians Trump has given money to is former Secretary of State and U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton.)
It probably didn't help Trump's case among conservative voters that he's spoken very highly of some of Democrats who are typically vilified by conservatives including Harry Reid, Oprah Winfrey, Hillary Clinton and even Nancy Pelosi."
Was Donald Trump Ever a Democrat? (https://www.thoughtco.com/was-donald-trump-a-democrat-3367571)
"Trump's political party affiliation has changed numerous times over the years. Trump was a Democrat prior to 1987.[283] In 1987, Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan.[284]
In 1999, Trump switched to the Reform Party and ran a presidential exploratory campaign for its nomination. After his run, Trump left the party in 2001 due to the involvement of David Duke, Pat Buchanan, and Lenora Fulani.[285]
From 2001 to 2008, Trump identified himself as a Democrat, but in 2008, he endorsed Republican John McCain for president. In 2009, he officially changed his party registration to Republican.[286] In December 2011, Trump became an independent for five months before returning to the Republican Party, where he later pledged to stay.[287][288]
Trump has made contributions to campaigns of both Republican Party and Democratic Party candidates, with the top ten recipients of his political contributions being six Democrats and four Republicans.[289] "
Donald Trump - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump)
here we go again another "reductio ad Trumpsurdum.
The obsession concerning Trump is absurd
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Topspinmo
11-12-2017, 12:33 PM
here we go again another "reductio ad Trumpsurdum.
The obsession concerning Trump is absurd
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And who was it before trump? Bush, bush got blamed for 15 years of the previous administration and there bobble heads.
rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:35 PM
When someone posts a screed such as the above, full of misspellings and grammatical errors, the content is easily dismissed by the obvious, glaring lack of education and childlike inability to think critically, of the poster.
That's not fair. you understood what the poster said and meant . Please don't add your unkindness to repertoire
speak to the issues
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Wiotte
11-12-2017, 12:36 PM
this coming from the identity politics of the left.
Indeed tribal fears are real for some. Civilization required one respect the sanctity of the individual over the collective .
However the left reaching for safe spaces all live in cocoons known as collectives. None dare act out alone. None dare be individuals and speak for themselves.
Its why Donna Brazile has become number one on liberals hit list
Personal Best Regards:
I don’t know anything about identity politics. I’m an individual, a white male who happens to think that in the absence of traditional family structure and values with the ever decreasing religious community it is the citizens duty within the boundaries of government action need to take care of our own. Our own meaning all peoples from all the human tribes.
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mellincf
11-12-2017, 12:45 PM
Daily reminder that Jared Kushner, a man with opaque financial ties to basically every American adversary, still has a security clearance
And caught doing the exact same thing with his emails that they continue to pillory Hillary about.
And is one of ten close associates of Trump that SO FAR have been found to cover up their secret dealings with Russia.
Rockyrd
11-12-2017, 12:46 PM
here we go again another "reductio ad Trumpsurdum.
The obsession concerning Trump is absurd
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You do know that he is now President of the United States and as such his every word is covered and analyzed world wide/
You do know that and that his words and actions are the news all over the world You do know that he speaks for all of us.
And you did not reply to the thread or the post, as you NEVER do......simply a snide little comment to distract.
Again, he lied as a Democratic. He lies as a Republican.
He was dishonest as a Democrat and is dishonest as a Republican.
How, on a political forum, discussing a liar in the White House, a man who demeans at every turn his own country, who makes false accusations of a felonious nature....ALL OF THEM SPREAD ALL OVER THE ENTIRE WORLD....is IN YOUR OPINION is an "obsession" validates your absolute disrespect for truth and honor.
It speaks directly to what you feel is important and truth does not rank very high on your list.
Your need to isolate and label other americans and then attack them speaks also directly to your lack of any redeeming qualities.
You are a fan of lying, support it, and you spout off about identity politics but are a white man supporting an agenda of white supremacy.
You offer no rebuttal to the accusations of his lying as a member of both parties, although if you wish I can direct you to concrete proven printed evidence.
You offer no rebuttal to his dishonest and UN AMERICAN activities as both a Democrat and Republican.
You offer only your personal support for lying, dishonesty and lack of character.
mellincf
11-12-2017, 12:47 PM
this coming from the identity politics of the left.
Indeed tribal fears are real for some. Civilization required one respect the sanctity of the individual over the collective .
However the left reaching for safe spaces all live in cocoons known as collectives. None dare act out alone. None dare be individuals and speak for themselves.
Its why Donna Brazile has become number one on liberals hit list
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Actually, Fox Noise is the only station that continues to drag out Brazile, Hillary, the NFL, etc. ad nauseum in their desperate attempt to ignore any news at all that is derogatory toward Trump.
mellincf
11-12-2017, 12:50 PM
That's not fair. you understood what the poster said and meant . Please don't add your unkindness to repertoire
speak to the issues
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Why not? Ignorance is NOT bliss. If someone is so poorly educated in the basics of our common language, it is a sure bet they are equally poorly qualified to be discussing an intricate subject like politics. I seriously believe every single person should take a civics exam before they are allowed to vote. It's amazing how many people do not understand the basic structure of our government or cannot name even three Supreme Court Justices.
rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:51 PM
And I've often wondered why conservatives who hate "welfare queens" ignore the fact that it costs the taxpayers $240,000 to raise one child on welfare, while it is illegal for taxpayer money to give one dollar to abortion. Meanwhile, a million babies are born every four days as conservatives scream about the national debt.
Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment)
I just came across an article where a 21 week old was
born and survived.
So I will ask for the upteenth time does a fetus have moral value?
Mind you not money value but moral value.
Money value is a focus of Planned Parenthood and that is another topic for another time.
We have allowed non sequitur thinking to prevail by claiming a woman's right to chose. Again another topic
but by allowing this choice upsets the balance of moral value for a fetus.
Pro-choice people are saying if a fetus is allowed to survive it has moral value. However if abortion is the choice the fetus has no moral value and "that dog simply won't hunt"
it has been said that 75% of the abortions at Planned parenthood are performed on black females . The irony of it all escapes liberals .
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Rockyrd
11-12-2017, 12:55 PM
I just came across an article where a 21 week old was
born and survived.
So I will ask for the upteenth time does a fetus have moral value?
Mind you not money value but moral value.
Money value is a focus of Planned Parenthood and that is another topic for another time.
We have allowed non sequitur thinking to prevail by claiming a woman's right to chose. Again another topic
but by allowing this choice upsets the balance of moral value for a fetus.
Pro-choice people are saying if a fetus is allowed to survive it has moral value. However if abortion is the choice the fetus has no moral value and "that dog simply won't hunt"
it has been said that 75% of the abortions at Planned parenthood are performed on black females . The irony of it all escapes liberals .
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See....we agree on the substance, but YOU have lost the right to take the high moral road.
YOU support a non moral man surrounded by non moral people who committed and do commit non moral acts.
You are either moral or not....it is not an issue by issue basis, and YOU have, long ago, given up that road. You are against morals UNLESS it provides you ammo to attack and always deals with politics with you.
Most moral people are moral in all walks of their life....not, not most...ALL.....YOU ARE NOT.
rubicon
11-12-2017, 12:57 PM
Well stated ?
It is generalization, mean spirited, un substantiated, vile, and pompous.
This country is dead with such feelings.....totally.
This is unamerican, anti patriotic, and self indulgent.
This statement you call "well stated" assumes sainthood on conservatives.
We have a lying multi cheater in the White House who on an international stage demeans United States Intelligence agencies....all of them and actually calls them liars. He then seems to have lied about even discussing the issue with Putin.
This is the person who leads conservatives.
Conservatives run to the defense of what appears to be a pedophile to be in the senate and uses the Holy Family as a defense.
We have a President that has MORE sexual allegations against him than the infamous Weinstein creep.
And you say defend the biggest Russian backer on this forum, who not only does not back up what he says, but can't.
You two have the very minimum of standards...no, less than minimum standards.
If you need specific links to my charges, let me know....neither of you two big mouths can back up what you accuse in such a lighthearted, non factual way.
You represent ALL that is wrong with this country.
What we have here is a poster who is in total denial, assuming a higher moral ground , exhibiting Trump Derangement Syndrome
The short version of what I said is "To anger a liberal, tell him the truth"
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mellincf
11-12-2017, 01:00 PM
I just came across an article where a 21 week old was
born and survived.
So I will ask for the upteenth time does a fetus have moral value?
Mind you not money value but moral value.
Money value is a focus of Planned Parenthood and that is another topic for another time.
We have allowed non sequitur thinking to prevail by claiming a woman's right to chose. Again another topic
but by allowing this choice upsets the balance of moral value for a fetus.
Pro-choice people are saying if a fetus is allowed to survive it has moral value. However if abortion is the choice the fetus has no moral value and "that dog simply won't hunt"
it has been said that 75% of the abortions at Planned parenthood are performed on black females . The irony of it all escapes liberals .
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You will no doubt be happy to hear that some states, in their zeal to protect the unborn, have introduced legislation to make male masturbation against the law. Isn't it great when perfect strangers feel empowered to make laws that control your personal body?
rubicon
11-12-2017, 01:06 PM
See....we agree on the substance, but YOU have lost the right to take the high moral road.
YOU support a non moral man surrounded by non moral people who committed and do commit non moral acts.
You are either moral or not....it is not an issue by issue basis, and YOU have, long ago, given up that road. You are against morals UNLESS it provides you ammo to attack and always deals with politics with you.
Most moral people are moral in all walks of their life....not, not most...ALL.....YOU ARE NOT.
Au contraire: I support the position of the President of the United States. I leave the moral judgment of a man to God. I do however, judge the policy platform of my party and often disagree with their decisions, if and when they are capable of making one.
I spent my entire career studying, practicing and even offering ethics as the lead off topic in our managers meetings....but I digress. Judge me not least thee be judged.
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rubicon
11-12-2017, 01:08 PM
You will no doubt be happy to hear that some states, in their zeal to protect the unborn, have introduced legislation to make male masturbation against the law. Isn't it great when perfect strangers feel empowered to make laws that control your personal body?
I prefer the undertakings of passing a law that demands serious consideration before performing an abortion when a heart beat of a fetus is detected.
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rubicon
11-12-2017, 01:20 PM
I don’t know anything about identity politics. I’m an individual, a white male who happens to think that in the absence of traditional family structure and values with the ever decreasing religious community it is the citizens duty within the boundaries of government action need to take care of our own. Our own meaning all peoples from all the human tribes.
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Well we agree to a point.
However, I don't need no stinkin goverment to do anything for me but promote commerce, defend the nation from foreign and domestic enemies and conduct a Treasury that provides a medium of exchange.
You know why ? Because all governments are amoral and they all want power and control over the individual and the best manner in doing so here in America is by way of entitlements be it a corporation or an individual
Identity politics is destroying this nation because it is governing by collectives and collective demand equal outcomes over merit . They demand you accept abnormalities as normal.
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Kenswing
11-12-2017, 01:25 PM
Well we agree to a point.
However, I don't need no stinkin goverment to do anything for me but promote commerce, defend the nation from foreign and domestic enemies and conduct a Treasury that provides a medium of exchange.
You know why ? Because all governments are amoral and they all want power and control over the individual and the best manner in doing so here in America is by way of entitlements be it a corporation or an individual
Identity politics is destroying this nation because it is governing by collectives and collective demand equal outcomes over merit . They demand you accept abnormalities as normal.
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Yep.. If they fix a road or two I'd be alright with that also..
Wiotte
11-12-2017, 01:29 PM
Well we agree to a point.
However, I don't need no stinkin goverment to do anything for me but promote commerce, defend the nation from foreign and domestic enemies and conduct a Treasury that provides a medium of exchange.
You know why ? Because all governments are amoral and they all want power and control over the individual and the best manner in doing so here in America is by way of entitlements be it a corporation or an individual
Identity politics is destroying this nation because it is governing by collectives and collective demand equal outcomes over merit . They demand you accept abnormalities as normal.
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The only thing we agree upon is that we’re both white males. How do you expect OUR society to take care of our own ? Charitable organizations are not far reaching enough, have limited resources and inconsistent procedures. They don’t have the resources of our government. Like it or not our federal government has taken the reigns in the absence of small town community.
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rubicon
11-12-2017, 02:07 PM
The only thing we agree upon is that we’re both white males. How do you expect OUR society to take care of our own ? Charitable organizations are not far reaching enough, have limited resources and inconsistent procedures. They don’t have the resources of our government. Like it or not our federal government has taken the reigns in the absence of small town community.
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Let me preface this by saying you have touched upon an aspect of societal obligations that has lost meaning in this nation and hence there is not enough space here to do it justice .
I am very supportive of society's obligation to support those who through no fault of their own truly need support (physical/mentally disabled).
The reality today is that be it a charitable organization or government questionable practices result. government programs all fail and for the obvious reasons
Fraud and abuse is rampant in government programs and the government knows it and ignores it because well after all it is taxpayer money.
I was a big supporter of United Way even back when it was called Community Chest which my mother chaired in our community. However that changed with the revelation of just how much was going to charity and how much to staff especially the president and CEO. We now give only to St Jude
Far too many scams today have damaged the name of "Charitable organization.
Again as to government look what their policy has done, well more to the point not done concerning mental health . The most forgotten people in this nation are those with mental health problems..many of whom live on the streets. Should we even pursue the mishandling of the VA?
As Ronald Reagan so aptly pointed out "the most frightening nine words are , I'm from the government and we're here to help.:)
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Wiotte
11-12-2017, 02:20 PM
Let me preface this by saying you have touched upon an aspect of societal obligations that has lost meaning in this nation and hence there is not enough space here to do it justice .
I am very supportive of society's obligation to support those who through no fault of their own truly need support (physical/mentally disabled).
The reality today is that be it a charitable organization or government questionable practices result. government programs all fail and for the obvious reasons
Fraud and abuse is rampant in government programs and the government knows it and ignores it because well after all it is taxpayer money.
I was a big supporter of United Way even back when it was called Community Chest which my mother chaired in our community. However that changed with the revelation of just how much was going to charity and how much to staff especially the president and CEO. We now give only to St Jude
Far too many scams today have damaged the name of "Charitable organization.
Again as to government look what their policy has done, well more to the point not done concerning mental health . The most forgotten people in this nation are those with mental health problems..many of whom live on the streets. Should we even pursue the mishandling of the VA?
As Ronald Reagan so aptly pointed out "the most frightening nine words are , I'm from the government and we're here to help.:)
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The ACA has addressed the mental health issue. It is required in all policies. Now the repubs want to replace all inclusive policies with happy meal policies at happy meal prices. The repubs claim mass murder shooters to be mentally ill, well WTF.
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Rockyrd
11-12-2017, 02:53 PM
Au contraire: I support the position of the President of the United States. I leave the moral judgment of a man to God. I do however, judge the policy platform of my party and often disagree with their decisions, if and when they are capable of making one.
I spent my entire career studying, practicing and even offering ethics as the lead off topic in our managers meetings....but I digress. Judge me not least thee be judged.
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Yet you do not feel A LIAR AS PRESIDENT is an issue. You do not feel a PRESIDENT MAKING PUBLIC PERSONAL FELONIOUS ACCUSATIONS is an issue.
How can such a wonderful man as you profess to be come on this forum, demean the free press, call them liars, support a man who you know is lying and thus putting our entire country in jeopardy, support him to the point that you have suggested he should not be picked on, but supported under any or all conditions, call yourself moral in any way.
How can a man, who on numerous occasions, has called himself a patriot support the untruths, the treasonous activities of his campaign, refer to and agree saying investigating an invasion if our country is/was a hoax, be moral in anyway.
How can any person who claims the Republican part as "their" Party maintain any integrity when this Republican Party is the anthesis of the GOP in almost every way..from morals and character to blowing up the national debt. How can you support a party, which by the way I PERSONALLY served for many years, that is not even close to the party of old.
How can you ignore based on what you say, the multitude of ethic violations of this White Hipouse ?
You claim a lot, and you criticize those...the media, me, etc...who want to maintain the ethics and standards if the Office younsay you respect...you call us names...you charge us with a syndrome...you actually supported him saying that the ex President wire tapped him, and you did it without any questions.
You were vocal on many occasions saying that he is misunderstood, that investigation of the invasion by Russia is being used as a tool to "get" Trump.
You say you leave moral judgements to God, yet almost daily you accuse anyone not affiliated with you to be morally short, corrupt...encompassing millions and millions of other human beings.
Please spare me....you are a hypocrit if the highest order.
Your only..answer to Trump lies, etc is to speak if your sworn enemy....progressives. Yet, you say you don't like party politics. I worked within a party for over 40 years and witnessed, partook in many productive projects and conversations with progressives and conservatibpves, and I reject strongly you almost daily attack on fellow Americans simply, it appears, because they do not worship at the altar if Trump. You continually accuse media of outright flagrant lies....yet you NEVER can show any if what you charges. Is this leaving judgement up to a higher being. These are people...MUCH MORE HONEST than your hero that you call liars.
You attack our constitution...free press, the judicial system, and by silence the support of Trumps attack. You support his personal judgement of people, but say that is left to God.
No American citizen should be quiet in the wake of not only our President, ON FOREIGN SOIL, publicly calling the leaders of the investigation into the invasion, "hacks", etc while being sympathetic to as Sen McCain mentioned a member, or head of KGB.
You may have lectured your subordinates on ethics, as you do on here, but you forgot to mention how silence in the face of violations of ethics is endorsing such actions. It also flies in the face of you ever calling yourself a patriot, because that you are not.
https://dlib.bc.edu/islandora/object/bc-ir:100133/datastream/PDF/view
Overview | Something happens — a moment of injustice, a threat to the nation, a potentially
criminal act. Why do some people speak out or take action, while others remain silent? And how can we encourage more people to recognize the moment when bravery is required?"
Do The Right Thing: Making Ethical Decisions in Everyday Life - The New York Times (https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/01/do-the-right-thing-making-ethical-decisions-in-everyday-life/)
Rockyrd
11-12-2017, 03:15 PM
What we have here is a poster who is in total denial, assuming a higher moral ground , exhibiting Trump Derangement Syndrome
The short version of what I said is "To anger a liberal, tell him the truth"
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You are truely a wise ass.
I claim no moral high ground ever. I am full of errors in judgement, and as I have said to you on here. I value truth, because embracing truth will keep me on the right road.
My problem with you is your hypocrisy and what appears to be your embracing hypocrisy and simply for your adoration if one man.
You find it easy to criticize and label millions of Americans, then accuse thousands of lying.
That is not easy for me to do. I claim nothing...I am a person who simply wants truth to guide my country. There are lots of ways to reach goals, but you can't even discuss them unless you trust.
You are a man lost without the ability to apply a label and condemn generally.
Don Baldwin
11-12-2017, 07:59 PM
Why not? Ignorance is NOT bliss. If someone is so poorly educated in the basics of our common language, it is a sure bet they are equally poorly qualified to be discussing an intricate subject like politics. I seriously believe every single person should take a civics exam before they are allowed to vote. It's amazing how many people do not understand the basic structure of our government or cannot name even three Supreme Court Justices.
The REAL structure...the wealthy/corporations call the shots and their elected stooges follow orders...or the "fake" version where there are checks and balances?
Name 3 corrupt individuals who help the wealthy rob the treasury? Why? They made corporations...PEOPLE. They decided that a town a seize your land if someone else will develop it for more tax revenue. They alloed corporations to donate as much as they want to any one candidate...to buy them.
I just came across an article where a 21 week old was
born and survived.
So I will ask for the upteenth time does a fetus have moral value?
Mind you not money value but moral value.
Money value is a focus of Planned Parenthood and that is another topic for another time.
We have allowed non sequitur thinking to prevail by claiming a woman's right to chose. Again another topic
but by allowing this choice upsets the balance of moral value for a fetus.
Pro-choice people are saying if a fetus is allowed to survive it has moral value. However if abortion is the choice the fetus has no moral value and "that dog simply won't hunt"
it has been said that 75% of the abortions at Planned parenthood are performed on black females . The irony of it all escapes liberals .
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great...there's several $ million spent on healthcare...just in the first year. It will ALWAYS be sickly. Better to throw them back and cast again. Let them die as nature intended.
It sure does "hunt"...it's a perfectly logical phrase...while in the womb...it's its mothers body and SHE decides...once it's out of the woman and ALIVE...it's a human with rights.
Thank God! Can you imagine any more blacks running around destroying things? Can we make it 100% aborted?
Unfortunately...the number is much lower:
"According to the CDC report, the rate of abortion among African-American women is far higher than among white American women. While black women make up only six percent of the U.S. population, they account for 35 percent of abortions reported."
Too bad... I guess they don't throw away their meal ticket as often as I'd hoped.
You will no doubt be happy to hear that some states, in their zeal to protect the unborn, have introduced legislation to make male masturbation against the law. Isn't it great when perfect strangers feel empowered to make laws that control your personal body?
Well then...menstrual cycles are against the law too...an egg gets flushed each monthly cycle. EVERY woman on the pill unless actively conceiving.
Well we agree to a point.
However, I don't need no stinkin goverment to do anything for me but promote commerce, defend the nation from foreign and domestic enemies and conduct a Treasury that provides a medium of exchange.
You know why ? Because all governments are amoral and they all want power and control over the individual and the best manner in doing so here in America is by way of entitlements be it a corporation or an individual
Identity politics is destroying this nation because it is governing by collectives and collective demand equal outcomes over merit . They demand you accept abnormalities as normal.
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You're a REAL American...THAT is what the founders wanted. FREEDOM for YOU to decide what YOU will do and how to do it. Not everything gets thrown in a big pot and shared equally...even with half the population not pulling their weight.
Good post...
The only thing we agree upon is that we’re both white males. How do you expect OUR society to take care of our own ? Charitable organizations are not far reaching enough, have limited resources and inconsistent procedures. They don’t have the resources of our government. Like it or not our federal government has taken the reigns in the absence of small town community.
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What do you mean "take care of our own"? Our people do just fine. It's the feral minorities who can't cope. Who CONSTANTLY need to be supported. Who suck away about a $ trillion a year in welfare costs. Minorities get 90% of the welfare money. Don't believe me? GO to the welfare office...peek your head in...Mostly Hispanic followed closely by blacks and a sprinkling of white women with black kids.
The poor are dragging us down...AND they are breeding us out...becoming the majority.
You are truely a wise ass.
I claim no moral high ground ever. I am full of errors in judgement, and as I have said to you on here. I value truth, because embracing truth will keep me on the right road.
My problem with you is your hypocrisy and what appears to be your embracing hypocrisy and simply for your adoration if one man.
You find it easy to criticize and label millions of Americans, then accuse thousands of lying.
That is not easy for me to do. I claim nothing...I am a person who simply wants truth to guide my country. There are lots of ways to reach goals, but you can't even discuss them unless you trust.
You are a man lost without the ability to apply a label and condemn generally.
Listen to me...I tell you the truth.
The truth is there...open your eyes and see it. You CANNOT even discuss problems if you can't speak the TRUTH about them.
Rockyrd
11-14-2017, 01:49 PM
"Alternative facts. Lies. Distortions. Exaggerations. Misstatements. Half truths.
Call it what you want, but there's one indisputable fact: Donald Trump does a stunning amount of it.
According to a count maintained by The Washington Post's Fact Checker and updated Tuesday morning, Trump has now made 1,628 false or misleading claims in his 298 days in office. That's an average of 5.5 a day. Five and a half misleading or outright false statements for each day -- including weekends! -- that Trump has been president.
By the Fact-Checker's estimates, Trump -- if he keeps up his current pace -- will blow past 2,000 misstatements and/or untruths in his first year in office.
Stop. Go back and read that last sentence. Then read it again."
The President of the United States has misled or lied more than 1,600 times since January 20. That's so important I am going to repeat it -- and underline it: The president of the United States has misled or lied more than 1,600 times since January 20."
Donald Trump says something that isn't true 5.5 times a day. Every day. - CNNPolitics (http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/politics/trump-fact-checker-1628/index.html)
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