separate fennny???

[village dreamer]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??

[Wiotte]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??



If they don’t get approval for all the bridges they de facto will be The Villages II.


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[dewilson58]

If they don’t get approval for all the bridges they de facto will be The Villages II.


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:agree:

[Nucky]

The OP'S idea would be OK except no cart ride to have the Onion Rings :eclipsee_gold_cup: at the Fenney Grill? That just wouldn't be fair! It must be connected or there would be a whole lot of broken :shrug: promises to the people who live there and those already under contract to live there.

[Wiotte]

The OP'S idea would be OK except no cart ride to have the Onion Rings :eclipsee_gold_cup: at the Fenney Grill? That just wouldn't be fair! It must be connected or there would be a whole lot of broken :shrug: promises to the people who live there and those already under contract to live there.



Morse has always supplied the infrastructure, Rec Centers and amenities prior to selling their first house. This hasn’t happened this time. I would be a wary buyer if I were interested in Fenny. Especially when certain parts are subject to state approval. [emoji47]


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[Bavarian]

I heard from a high placed source, that Fenney and the other new lands were not owned by the Morse heirs. This means a whole different ball game from The Villages.


I vote to keep them separate. Let them have their own amenities, town square(?) and different gate card code. Then they can pursue their own destiny.

[justjim]

I have to agree with Nucky that statements by the Developer have been made that Fenney is clearly part of The Villages. There is no reason to believe that the bridges and tunnels will not be built as outlined in the plan. Brownwood needs the additional residential development and the residents already south of State Route 44 need golf cart access to Brownwood.

[thelegges]

That would be the same as people in Detroit can’t go to Birmingham. So Villages proper would not be able to invade Fenny domain. Little unrealistic.

Beside we have been down to red and grey fox 4 times, the pool twice, the walking path twice, and going to the putting greens Friday. It’s a nice change.

[DonH57]

The OP'S idea would be OK except no cart ride to have the Onion Rings :eclipsee_gold_cup: at the Fenney Grill? That just wouldn't be fair! It must be connected or there would be a whole lot of broken :shrug: promises to the people who live there and those already under contract to live there.

Try the onion rings at Tierra Del Sol. Excellent. Both locations managed by same people.

[Gpsma]

Another very, very intersting post about Fenney.

I just love hearing about Fenney all the time.

[billethkid]

I wonder how residents of the historic villages felt about crossing 441 and growing South?

I wonder how the residents between 441 and 466 felt about crossing 466 and growing south? Ditto for historic residents.

And then there are the residents between 466 and 466A and how they felt about crossing 466A and growing south? Ditto the above two.......

Some how it all worked the way it was planned. The developer delivered on everything the promised to do and maintain.

One could get the impression there are a lot of folks with a lot of time on their schedule. Rather than wishful guessing...try going outside and measuring some passing clouds. The results have a better chance of being more accurate than some of the unfounded comments and wishful thinking..

In my humble opinion.

[Fraugoofy]

The OP'S idea would be OK except no cart ride to have the Onion Rings :eclipsee_gold_cup: at the Fenney Grill? That just wouldn't be fair! It must be connected or there would be a whole lot of broken :shrug: promises to the people who live there and those already under contract to live there.Wait! Onion rings? Better than Cane Garden??

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[Banaporg]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??

I think that’s a terrible thing and why would you want that? I’m surprised at how many mean people there are in The Friendliest Home Town! Shame on you...

[Nucky]

Try the onion rings at Tierra Del Sol. Excellent. Both locations managed by same people.

You saved me a long but beautiful ride for Onion Rings. Trying to understand why they would stop building is not on my screen. It is what they do. Think about it this way, who are we to tell them what to do with their fortune? Even though our posters are from Captains of Industry to various jobs down the line many people would consider the success they have already achieved as enough of a Pot O' Gold. The "Morris". Lol. Morse family is unstoppable and are winners and as no one here has their kind of money so no one is qualified to challenge them because no one can come close to the state of mind they must be in to continue when they could be sitting under a coconut tree ordering drinks all day.

Many people once settled here want the progress to stop. In my opinion it can't stop it won't stop and it shouldn't stop. Build on. Villages I, Villages II??? Whose name is on the paperwork and who laid out the funds for the expansion?? We many have a concern but everyone needs something to worry about. If this is your worry you're lucky. :popcorn:

Happiness and good health to all the New Villagers wherever the are.:coolsmiley:

[twoplanekid]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??

I don’t believe that the Florida legislators never envisioned a city the size of the Villages when they created the concept of CDDs to help local developers. I believe we are approaching a size that will require changes in governance and what the city can and can’t do. Not for us to decide as it will require changes made by the State of Florida legislators to CDD rules and regulations.

We are unique as no one else comes close to our current or projected size. A few adjustments have been made. Will our future size demand more changes?

[Ingenuity]

Wow, it seems there are alot of Fenney haters out there. There were people in the Fenney Grill who stated we were not "real villagers." The other person answered, "then why are you here?" I live in Fenney and love it. I still work and many of the people moving in also still work so we are used to driving. We are content where we are. Golf cart access is not why we are here and the people I know and are continuing to meet, this not a make or break deal. Fenney is closer to a beautiful Publix, gas, pharmacy, and a wonderful urgent care(had to use last week) than where I lived in Texas. We know about the prison, bond, taxes, traffic, changes that could be in the future, growth, the great onion rings, the developer(said in hushed tone) wanting to develop, and on and on and on. We are here and are Villagers. I am so grateful to be here and my wonderful fiance, fighting health issues, stated he feels like he has died and gone to heaven. He has begun to be more active and is getting so much support and love from neighbors. That, as far as I am concerned, is what the Villages are all about.

[Jayhawk]

Wow, it seems there are alot of Fenney haters out there. There were people in the Fenney Grill who stated we were not "real villagers." The other person answered, "then why are you here?" I live in Fenney and love it. I still work and many of the people moving in also still work so we are used to driving. We are content where we are. Golf cart access is not why we are here and the people I know and are continuing to meet, this not a make or break deal. Fenney is closer to a beautiful Publix, gas, pharmacy, and a wonderful urgent care(had to use last week) than where I lived in Texas. We know about the prison, bond, taxes, traffic, changes that could be in the future, growth, the great onion rings, the developer(said in hushed tone) wanting to develop, and on and on and on. We are here and are Villagers. I am so grateful to be here and my wonderful fiance, fighting health issues, stated he feels like he has died and gone to heaven. He has begun to be more active and is getting so much support and love from neighbors. That, as far as I am concerned, is what the Villages are all about.

Rule #1 - Ignore the numbnuts who make stupid comments.

Rule #2 - There are no other rules.


Also, there are 15 or 20 habitual complainers on TOTV. There are 100k residents. The complainers are irrelevant and miserable so they think you should be too.

[pauld315]

I don’t believe that the Florida legislators never envisioned a city the size of the Villages when they created the concept of CDDs to help local developers. I believe we are approaching a size that will require changes in governance and what the city can and can’t do. Not for us to decide as it will require changes made by the State of Florida legislators to CDD rules and regulations.

We are unique as no one else comes close to our current or projected size. A few adjustments have been made. Will our future size demand more changes?

I think the state of Florida is excited about the economic development in Sumter County and would like to replicate it in other areas of the state. They are all for the growth of TV

[twoplanekid]

I think the state of Florida is excited about the economic development in Sumter County and would like to replicate it in other areas of the state. They are all for the growth of TV

I would agree! Yet, current regulations call for local counties to provide disaster service to The Villages. The Villages is not allowed to control this and several other services that are commonly handled by a city government. It's not the growth, it's the structure of government and what is allowed that I believe may need to be changed because of size.

[vintageogauge]

Does anyone really believe that the new villages south of 44 won't be connected to the old villages north of 44 via golf car? The Villages Golf is already selling gas, doing minor repairs, and renting golf cars down here, getting more name recognition for the near future I would say.

[Bogie Shooter]

I wonder how residents of the historic villages felt about crossing 441 and growing South?

I wonder how the residents between 441 and 466 felt about crossing 466 and growing south? Ditto for historic residents.

And then there are the residents between 466 and 466A and how they felt about crossing 466A and growing south? Ditto the above two.......

Some how it all worked the way it was planned. The developer delivered on everything the promised to do and maintain.

One could get the impression there are a lot of folks with a lot of time on their schedule. Rather than wishful guessing...try going outside and measuring some passing clouds. The results have a better chance of being more accurate than some of the unfounded comments and wishful thinking..

In my humble opinion.

You do not have to be humble.
Your thoughts are well stated, and hopefully will make those that posted the bashing comments to............stop and think!

[Bogie Shooter]

Wow, it seems there are alot of Fenney haters out there. There were people in the Fenney Grill who stated we were not "real villagers." The other person answered, "then why are you here?" I live in Fenney and love it. I still work and many of the people moving in also still work so we are used to driving. We are content where we are. Golf cart access is not why we are here and the people I know and are continuing to meet, this not a make or break deal. Fenney is closer to a beautiful Publix, gas, pharmacy, and a wonderful urgent care(had to use last week) than where I lived in Texas. We know about the prison, bond, taxes, traffic, changes that could be in the future, growth, the great onion rings, the developer(said in hushed tone) wanting to develop, and on and on and on. We are here and are Villagers. I am so grateful to be here and my wonderful fiance, fighting health issues, stated he feels like he has died and gone to heaven. He has begun to be more active and is getting so much support and love from neighbors. That, as far as I am concerned, is what the Villages are all about.

I do not live in Fenny. But, I am happy - that you are happy.
You are a part of just more good Villagers. Welcome!

[Wiotte]

Wow, it seems there are alot of Fenney haters out there. There were people in the Fenney Grill who stated we were not "real villagers." The other person answered, "then why are you here?" I live in Fenney and love it. I still work and many of the people moving in also still work so we are used to driving. We are content where we are. Golf cart access is not why we are here and the people I know and are continuing to meet, this not a make or break deal. Fenney is closer to a beautiful Publix, gas, pharmacy, and a wonderful urgent care(had to use last week) than where I lived in Texas. We know about the prison, bond, taxes, traffic, changes that could be in the future, growth, the great onion rings, the developer(said in hushed tone) wanting to develop, and on and on and on. We are here and are Villagers. I am so grateful to be here and my wonderful fiance, fighting health issues, stated he feels like he has died and gone to heaven. He has begun to be more active and is getting so much support and love from neighbors. That, as far as I am concerned, is what the Villages are all about.



No one hates Fenny or the Fennyites . I think many don’t like what the Morse family is doing in that they should have done it elsewhere. Development south of 44 will cause too much crowding out of our amenities north of 44 with barely anything to offer us south of 44. Pitch ‘n Putt will get old, retail will be inadequate and construction traffic coming up and down Morse won’t let up for another 10 years, minimum.


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[vintageogauge]

It really is nice down here. Very little traffic to contend with at this point, quiet evenings, no crowds, a lot of "take charge" owners setting up social gatherings, and events. We're all new down here and it's fun meeting someone new every day. We even have mail box keys now just like up north, the first golf courses are open, the DeSoto rec center is going up fast and so is DeSoto for that matter, several Fenney sections have no building lots left, and the new sections are building up quickly. Gotta mention natural gas, that was a win for us. The bashers are only showing their ignorance and when they realize that this is the future of The Villages it will stop.

[Bogie Shooter]

It really is nice down here. Very little traffic to contend with at this point, quiet evenings, no crowds, a lot of "take charge" owners setting up social gatherings, and events. We're all new down here and it's fun meeting someone new every day. We even have mail box keys now just like up north, the first golf courses are open, the DeSoto rec center is going up fast and so is DeSoto for that matter, several Fenney sections have no building lots left, and the new sections are building up quickly. Gotta mention natural gas, that was a win for us. The bashers are only showing their ignorance and when they realize that this is the future of The Villages it will stop.

Yes, that is what most of us have gone thru. For us it was in 2002, growing with a new village.
And I don’t think living here for six months is time to know everything......let alone bashing at every turn.

[champion6]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??What do I think? I think the idea being good or bad is irrelevant. Your question seems to indicate that the possibility of deciding this is yet to come. "The ship has already sailed," as the saying goes.

[champion6]

I heard from a high placed source, that Fenney and the other new lands were not owned by the Morse heirs. This means a whole different ball game from The Villages. <snip>That source is absolutely wrong. Therefore, the "ball game" remains unchanged. And Thank Goodness for that.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Morse has always supplied the infrastructure, Rec Centers and amenities prior to selling their first house. This hasn’t happened this time. I would be a wary buyer if I were interested in Fenny. Especially when certain parts are subject to state approval. [emoji47]


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I really can't see the state of Florida killing the goose that laid, and continues to lay, the golden egg for them.

[circletrack]

Morse has always supplied the infrastructure, Rec Centers and amenities prior to selling their first house. This hasn’t happened this time. I would be a wary buyer if I were interested in Fenny. Especially when certain parts are subject to state approval. [emoji47]


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Did two rec centers, two executive courses a restaurant and a new Put & Play facility not open in coordination with the opening of The Village of Fenney?

Fenney is just one Village, not the entire southern development. That’s just now beginning.

I’m still confused why people think they will all of a sudden just bail on building golf courses, commercial space and rec centers. Why would they mess with a formula that’s made them millions?

[graciegirl]

No one hates Fenny or the Fennyites . I think many don’t like what the Morse family is doing in that they should have done it elsewhere. Development south of 44 will cause too much crowding out of our amenities north of 44 with barely anything to offer us south of 44. Pitch ‘n Putt will get old, retail will be inadequate and construction traffic coming up and down Morse won’t let up for another 10 years, minimum.


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When everything is filled in, which shouldn't take very long, a couple three years, then Pitch 'n Putt will be joined by all of the other things, including more golf courses, rec centers, pools, businesses, etc.. If, and I hate to be tiresome, some would wait and see how things are carefully planned and the plans are NOT revealed ahead of time by the Morse family, and that things fall in place exactly the way they should, we wouldn't have to read off base negative speculation from posters who hasn't really been here long enough to see how things work out well.

Patience Grasshopper. Hide and watch. All's well that ends well.

[skip0358]

This is just another post to get everyone fired up. They're not done building and they're not going to screw up on a plan that's been working fine all along. They will continue to build but they're going to do it their way and piece by piece. Trust me they didn't get this far by being stupid. The state, counties and villages aren't about to kill the goose that's laying the golden egg either. Look at the jobs that are being created. Last two weeks between Lowe's and the new Body's over 200 new jobs were created and there's more on the way. JMO

[Goldwingnut]

No one hates Fenny or the Fennyites . I think many don’t like what the Morse family is doing in that they should have done it elsewhere. Development south of 44 will cause too much crowding out of our amenities north of 44 with barely anything to offer us south of 44. Pitch ‘n Putt will get old, retail will be inadequate and construction traffic coming up and down Morse won’t let up for another 10 years, minimum.


Do you really believe that the developers are as short sighted as you are? Have you not seen the maps that have been put out in the paper over the last year that have shown golf courses, retail areas, recreation facilities, and more? There's a lot to come that we know nothing about but guaranteed there is a well thought out plan.

No, they're not going to share with you or anyone else exactly what they have planned, it's their business and none of you yours or anyone else's. They've proven for 30 years now that they have a plan and a product that works and works well. They've changed with the times and needs and have experimented with many different ideas and concepts, some worked and some didn't work as well, we're seeing hints of changes to come even now.

Between March 2002 and September 2004 all of the CDDs between CR466 and SR44 (CDD5 through CDD10) were established. That's thousands of acers of land that were purchased and plans laid out. For those of you who pray at the alter of Harold Schwartz saying he would have never done it like this or let it get so big, you're clueless. Mr. Schwartz died in December 2003 in the middle of this great expansion. He was an integral and driving part of the planning, growth, dream, and success of The Villages. Do you think that that was the end of it at SR44, doubtful, the lots weren't laid out south of SR44 but no doubt the ground work was being done even back then. Did it really make any since to put Brownwood and the Rohan Rec Center all the way at the south end? Doesn't look like poor planning any more.

For anyone south of CR466 who wants to sing the "It's too big, they need to stop growing" song, you need to change your tune, try singing "I'm a fool because I didn't do my homework" because the plans were all out there in the public records for all to see, all you needed to do was look.

In my opinion, Fenney was unexpected fruit when the developer of Wildwood Springs finally gave up and went looking for a way to cut their losses. They saw an opportunity and jumped on it, now the work continues to backfill the gap between Fenney and the rest of The Villages. To separate the two would be a huge mistake, and if they did and they built something new and different, an indoor pool for example, the crying would start north of SR44, "how come they get that and we don't, it's not fair...:cryin2:".

We're just seeing the start of something big, the Landstone purchase, the Baily bridge, roads that strangely end in Southern Oaks, the Cow Hammock purchases, Leesburg properties at SR470, close but unconnected swaths of land, and may other things are just a glimpse of things to come.

[FenneyGuy]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??

The residents of Fenney (not fenny and not fennny) pay for the same access to amenities and privileges that you do. They are part of The Villages without a II.

Elitist comments like this are out of line.

[rubicon]

I began another thread last night thanking a Mira Mesa resident for a very unemotional and factual of how the 2nd and 3rd generation family developers pivoted from the original promises of the original developer solely based on greed. he speaks of the mismanagement of The villages Hospital. He speaks of the amendment to the 80/20 rule.

He wants TV to end at Brownwood. He wants the developer out. He believes the developer should focus on Feeney, et al as a separate and 2nd The Villages.

If you are interested his article is posted on the other publication devoted to village news.

[l2ridehd]

And the new Disney parking lot is putting in parking for golf carts. I wonder why?

[pooh]

Always remember, we are not trees....;)


Golf cart parking at Disney...lol...I KNEW pretty soon we’d be able to drive our carts there. Remember to put your transponder on the windshield.

[dewilson58]

Always remember, we are not trees....;)


Golf cart parking at Disney...lol...I KNEW pretty soon we’d be able to drive our carts there. Remember to put your transponder on the windshield.

An easy 3.5 hour drive............another good reason to have gas vs. electric.

:ho:

[graciegirl]

I began another thread last night thanking a Mira Mesa resident for a very unemotional and factual of how the 2nd and 3rd generation family developers pivoted from the original promises of the original developer solely based on greed. he speaks of the mismanagement of The villages Hospital. He speaks of the amendment to the 80/20 rule.

He wants TV to end at Brownwood. He wants the developer out. He believes the developer should focus on Feeney, et al as a separate and 2nd The Villages.

If you are interested his article is posted on the other publication devoted to village news.

The Villages Hospital was built by the developer and leased to the hospital corporation who runs it.

Is it greed or a for profit business employing thousands and allowing their children to attend the
Charter Schools?

The Federal government is the entity in charge of the regulations on developments for mainly seniors. I haven't heard any changes in that rule of 80/20.

[Chi-Town]

Rule #1 - Ignore the numbnuts who make stupid comments.

Rule #2 - There are no other rules.


Also, there are 15 or 20 habitual complainers on TOTV. There are 100k residents. The complainers are irrelevant and miserable so they think you should be too.A lot of complaining about complainers, just sayin'. Anyhow, I'm all for the continued development of The Villages, but I do think that South of 44 may have a different feel to it over the years

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[DonH57]

An easy 3.5 hour drive............another good reason to have gas vs. electric.

:ho:

Yeah Buddy !:MOJE_whot:

[thelegges]

An easy 3.5 hour drive............another good reason to have gas vs. electric.

:ho:

They are going to have to build golf cart rest stops, with snacks.:clap2:

[graciegirl]

They are going to have to build golf cart rest stops, with snacks.:clap2:

And the price of Villages maps are gonna go waaaaaaay up.

[Cisco Kid]

I wonder if one of the most successful families in the nation , will take the advice of a bunch of grumpy old fools.

:1rotfl:

[vintageogauge]

Not verified but I heard they are going to have building lots down here ranging from 1 to 5 acres. That will be a different village for sure. I do realize they have the few 7 acre parcels up north but this would be a lot different as it is pre-planned. Lots of interesting stuff going on down here that has not been done elsewhere in TV.

[Marathon Man]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??

What do I think? I think, based on what I have read, that there are those who believe that everything south of 466 is 'villages 2'. Funny how many of the concerns are exactly the same.

[Henryk]

And the price of Villages maps are gonna go waaaaaaay up.

Gracie, dear, now that's funny. But isn't TV just like a bed of roses?

[perrjojo]

It often amazes me how much some people can resist change and progress. It’s true change is not always good but it is inevitable. Every place I have ever lived has grown and changed. When I was first born in the Dallas/Fort Worth area there were about 500,000 people. Today there are over 7,000,000.people. If you are not growing, you are stagnant. I like things the way they “were” but I NEVER want to stagnate. When we first looked here there were only 8,000 people...no Home Depot, Lowe’s, Bed Bath and Beyond, etc. there was no Sumter Landing. Should they have stopped building then? Who are we to say that progress must stop?

[mtdjed]

News article July 2020 -CartTram Planned from Disney to Fenney (The Center of the Villages).

[dillywho]

Well, I haven't done this in a while, but I guess it's time for me to chime in again.:loco:

It's late and I don't remember exactly where the saying came from, but this seems to be "Much ado about nothing."

I, for one, love it that Harold Schwartz had the foresight and the family has carried it on for decades. I challenge anyone here to come up with a winner such as The Villages and then walk away and say, "OK, have at it, ya'll". Ain't gonna happen. Why should it?

Everyone came here because they wanted to come. We all came here for something other than what we already had. I know there are those who will get their 'knickers in a knot" when told that if they don't like it here, they can leave. What part of that statement is not true? That is not telling someone that they have to do so, anymore than telling them that they had to move here in the first place. I know for a fact, we didn't have a gun to our heads telling us what we were going to do.

As for the idea of turning it over to the residents, I will vote a resounding "NO". Why? Because it would cease to be well run and would go downhill faster than a snowball headed for hell. For crying out loud, there are too many already that cannot agree on anything simple, much less something as big as this place. It would be constant bickering, it would show, and everyone would suffer the consequences. Does it suit everyone now? Of course not. We are, after all, individuals. But, there are always those around who think they can build a better mousetrap. Most, if not all of us, did not come here to build mousetraps.

With this being primarily a retirement community, how many of us have generations left to worry about how big it is getting, anyway? I just feel that we should all be grateful for what we have instead of complaining about what we don't have or what someone else does have. Not only does the Morse family continue to grow their business and their profits (after all, isn't that what business is supposed to do), but we continue to reap the benefits while they put out the big bucks. Thank goodness, they are not the tightwads that some people here are.

[Madelaine Amee]

Well, I haven't done this in a while, but I guess it's time for me to chime in again.:loco:

It's late and I don't remember exactly where the saying came from, but this seems to be "Much ado about nothing."

I, for one, love it that Harold Schwartz had the foresight and the family has carried it on for decades. I challenge anyone here to come up with a winner such as The Villages and then walk away and say, "OK, have at it, ya'll". Ain't gonna happen. Why should it?

Everyone came here because they wanted to come. We all came here for something other than what we already had. I know there are those who will get their 'knickers in a knot" when told that if they don't like it here, they can leave. What part of that statement is not true? That is not telling someone that they have to do so, anymore than telling them that they had to move here in the first place. I know for a fact, we didn't have a gun to our heads telling us what we were going to do.

As for the idea of turning it over to the residents, I will vote a resounding "NO". Why? Because it would cease to be well run and would go downhill faster than a snowball headed for hell. For crying out loud, there are too many already that cannot agree on anything simple, much less something as big as this place. It would be constant bickering, it would show, and everyone would suffer the consequences. Does it suit everyone now? Of course not. We are, after all, individuals. But, there are always those around who think they can build a better mousetrap. Most, if not all of us, did not come here to build mousetraps.

With this being primarily a retirement community, how many of us have generations left to worry about how big it is getting, anyway? I just feel that we should all be grateful for what we have instead of complaining about what we don't have or what someone else does have. Not only does the Morse family continue to grow their business and their profits (after all, isn't that what business is supposed to do), but we continue to reap the benefits while they put out the big bucks. Thank goodness, they are not the tightwads that some people here are.

:bigbow:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

should fenny and all other new down south villages be separate from main villages, let them start a villages 2, no bridges or cart path to connect to main villages , and no shared services like rec centers and golf courses. is that a bad thing or good ?? what do you think ??

That'snot going to happen. They will have a bridge or tunnels and cart paths connecting those southern most villages to Brownwood.

They would never have started that project if they didn't know for sure that they would be able to do it. These people are not idiots.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I wonder how residents of the historic villages felt about crossing 441 and growing South?

I wonder how the residents between 441 and 466 felt about crossing 466 and growing south? Ditto for historic residents.

And then there are the residents between 466 and 466A and how they felt about crossing 466A and growing south? Ditto the above two.......

Some how it all worked the way it was planned. The developer delivered on everything the promised to do and maintain.

One could get the impression there are a lot of folks with a lot of time on their schedule. Rather than wishful guessing...try going outside and measuring some passing clouds. The results have a better chance of being more accurate than some of the unfounded comments and wishful thinking..

In my humble opinion.

Exactly. My guess is that Fenny and the other southern villages were planned before Brownwood was developed. It always seemed odd to me that they would build a town square at the very edge of The Villages. Now it makes sense. Brownwood will eventually be centrally located.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

An easy 3.5 hour drive............another good reason to have gas vs. electric.

:ho:

Don't be ridiculous. There will be a monorail that we can put our golf carts on.

[sbjaly]

Absolutely not acceptable as an idea. I lived in Calumet before, and I had a long drive to get to southern activities (i.e. I'm an avid billiards player and love that the billiards community comes from all over the villages.). Many of the activities are not necessarily adjacent to where your home is. This is part of why we move to the Villages!!!! Don't worry, it won't be a 'burden' to you just because Fenney is developing. I live in Fenney and love it. I'll be mainly going to Brownwood and Sumter Landing squares when I want to social opportunities they provide. The Villages developed BRILLIANTLY to ensure new Villages are fairly self-contained, yet have the wonderful sports and social offerings of the larger population!

[billethkid]

Exactly. My guess is that Fenny and the other southern villages were planned before Brownwood was developed. It always seemed odd to me that they would build a town square at the very edge of The Villages. Now it makes sense. Brownwood will eventually be centrally located.

I can recall in the days shortly after Lake Sumter Landing was announced, some folks questioning why the developer would put a town center at the southern most part of TV.

All one has to do is review the developers past track record of methodology. Very consistent and methodical. Never reveal any more future plans than absolutely required to do the job at hand. Keeps all options open for unknown better opportunities. They have had and still have a formula and track record of success. No matter what generation, they will not change that.

There will always be a new cadre of folks from else where who do not know TV back ground hence erroneous speculation/rumors.

[dewilson58]

I can recall in the days shortly after Lake Sumter Landing was announced, some folks questioning why the developer would put a town center at the southern most part of TV.

All one has to do is review the developers past track record of methodology. Very consistent and methodical. Never reveal any more future plans than absolutely required to do the job at hand. Keeps all options open for unknown better opportunities. They have had and still have a formula and track record of success. No matter what generation, they will not change that.

There will always be a new cadre of folks from else where who do not know TV back ground hence erroneous speculation/rumors.

Agree..............but a few choose not to and stir the pot. :blahblahblah:

[KyWoman]

I wonder if one of the most successful families in the nation , will take the advice of a bunch of grumpy old fools.

:1rotfl:

Now that's funny!!!

[Brenda.ball]

We closed on our house in Fenney this week. Can't wait to see what the adventures we will have!

[Packer Fan]

Wow, it seems there are alot of Fenney haters out there. There were people in the Fenney Grill who stated we were not "real villagers." The other person answered, "then why are you here?" I live in Fenney and love it. I still work and many of the people moving in also still work so we are used to driving. We are content where we are. Golf cart access is not why we are here and the people I know and are continuing to meet, this not a make or break deal. Fenney is closer to a beautiful Publix, gas, pharmacy, and a wonderful urgent care(had to use last week) than where I lived in Texas. We know about the prison, bond, taxes, traffic, changes that could be in the future, growth, the great onion rings, the developer(said in hushed tone) wanting to develop, and on and on and on. We are here and are Villagers. I am so grateful to be here and my wonderful fiance, fighting health issues, stated he feels like he has died and gone to heaven. He has begun to be more active and is getting so much support and love from neighbors. That, as far as I am concerned, is what the Villages are all about.

I have never done this before but as I read your post I was looking for the "Like" button so I could like it. What a great post and I totally agree. Welcome to the Villages, you are just as much one as anyone else (probably more than the OP is).
Ed

[simpkinp]

It seems like no matter what Villages live in here, it is the best village. It’s because all the neighbors are friendly and you bond with your neighbors; so welcome to the Villages and have a great life. Soon there are clubs and village socials, golfing buddies, luncheon groups. I have never lived anywhere the people were so helpful. Don’t believe all that stuff you hear, people are here to have fun and help each other. I think I live in the best village in The Villages as well. And the best neighborhood. You will love it here. Fenney is very pretty and somewhat isolated for now, but soon you will be able to get to the rest of the Villages. Just enjoy and don’t listen to the critics.

[vintageogauge]

That this new area of Fenney and Southern Oaks was already on the books long before the plans were finalized to build Brownwood.
The new kids on the block haven’t even started to make big decisions on their own. Fenney’s residents are very much villagers. every time we stop in, everyone greats you with a smile. At least 1/3 have moved from another village. Sometimes I wonder if the friendliest hometown is now residing in the south.
That's because everyone is happy down here. It is truly amazing how many people have moved down from other villages to take advantage of this environment. 3 of the 7 homeowners on our street did just that and we have met many more who did the same. The only thing we need down here right now is rain, everything else will come as "The New Kids" have planned it, just takes time.

[New Englander]

That this new area of Fenney and Southern Oaks was already on the books long before the plans were finalized to build Brownwood.
The new kids on the block haven’t even started to make big decisions on their own. Fenney’s residents are very much villagers. every time we stop in, everyone greats you with a smile. At least 1/3 have moved from another village. Sometimes I wonder if the friendliest hometown is now residing in the south.

:agree:

[pauld315]

No one hates Fenny or the Fennyites . I think many don’t like what the Morse family is doing in that they should have done it elsewhere. Development south of 44 will cause too much crowding out of our amenities north of 44 with barely anything to offer us south of 44. Pitch ‘n Putt will get old, retail will be inadequate and construction traffic coming up and down Morse won’t let up for another 10 years, minimum.


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I will wager that those new communities south of 44 have more amenities there than the current Villages have when it is all said and done. It will probably be the other way around with a lot of Villagers north of 44 "crowding out" those south of 44. BTW, everyone pays fees, the amenities are for all Villagers, they are not yours or mine.

I do agree that that retail is inadequate but that is inadequate everywhere once you get south of 466. I would love to see 44 or 466A have type of retail and medical we have on 441, it would eliminate a lot of vehicles travelling through the north end where I live to get to 441.

[billethkid]

Everything is relative.
Inadequate retail is nothing more than a current snap shot. Has nothing to do with what is yet to come.

I go back to my earlier post.
Inadequate retail?
How about what was not here retail wise as TV began to move across 466 (not 466 A).
No shopping center where Target is....no shopping center where Kohls is....no home depot....
nothing in or around Rolling acres.
No Lake Sumter Landing....and on and on.
Well the same thing that happened as the development moved not so slowly southward.
The population hit a critical mass level that was of interest to many national chains.
As the saying goes build it and they will come. Well once TV crossed 466 the population began to soar.

Does anybody remember when Publix at Colony Plaza opened. It was the place to go because there was nobody there.
Fast forward to crossing 466 A...the population continues to soar...the new retail continues to fill in....

For all of you that were not here during this evolution.....rest assured as south of 44 fills in the retail will come....and other businesses/restaurants/big boxes/and stuff like Shooters World will continue to come.

All the arm waving about Fenney this or that.....will be a laugh in 5 more years!!

As was stated by an earlier post.....sound advice.....TV is ours....NOT this is mine and that is yours!!

[coffeebean]

I do agree that that retail is inadequate but that is inadequate everywhere once you get south of 466. I would love to see 44 or 466A have type of retail and medical we have on 441, it would eliminate a lot of vehicles traveling through the north end where I live to get to 441.

I surely hope the retail and medical facilities we have on the 441 run will be duplicated in the southern end of The Villages. Traffic will become unbearable if all of The Villages have to venture to 441 for retail stores and medical facilities.

I live just south of 466 in Mallory and it is very close for me to get to 441 and all the stores. I can not imagine living in Fenney and having to travel to 441 as often as I go there.

[coffeebean]

And like flash mobs;

The USAF Band Holiday Flash Mob at the National Air and Space Museum 2013 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIoSga7tZPg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgIoSga7tZPg&app=desktop)

And love chocolate and enjoy Agatha Christie books. AND like hamburgers and enjoyed Sunday School. My opinion is that they didn't "fall for" anything. They are in on the ground floor.

Gracie.....thanks so much for posting the flash mob video. Just beautiful!

[Wiotte]

I will wager that those new communities south of 44 have more amenities there than the current Villages have when it is all said and done. It will probably be the other way around with a lot of Villagers north of 44 "crowding out" those south of 44. BTW, everyone pays fees, the amenities are for all Villagers, they are not yours or mine.



I do agree that that retail is inadequate but that is inadequate everywhere once you get south of 466. I would love to see 44 or 466A have type of retail and medical we have on 441, it would eliminate a lot of vehicles travelling through the north end where I live to get to 441.



Think of what the residents along Micro Racetrack and Rolling Acres Roads have to put up with now because of the lack of retail in the southlands.
It’s only gonna get worse.


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[Barefoot]

Well, I haven't done this in a while, but I guess it's time for me to chime in again.:loco:

It's late and I don't remember exactly where the saying came from, but this seems to be "Much ado about nothing."

I, for one, love it that Harold Schwartz had the foresight and the family has carried it on for decades. I challenge anyone here to come up with a winner such as The Villages and then walk away and say, "OK, have at it, ya'll". Ain't gonna happen. Why should it?

Everyone came here because they wanted to come. We all came here for something other than what we already had. I know there are those who will get their 'knickers in a knot" when told that if they don't like it here, they can leave. What part of that statement is not true? That is not telling someone that they have to do so, anymore than telling them that they had to move here in the first place. I know for a fact, we didn't have a gun to our heads telling us what we were going to do.

As for the idea of turning it over to the residents, I will vote a resounding "NO". Why? Because it would cease to be well run and would go downhill faster than a snowball headed for hell. For crying out loud, there are too many already that cannot agree on anything simple, much less something as big as this place. It would be constant bickering, it would show, and everyone would suffer the consequences. Does it suit everyone now? Of course not. We are, after all, individuals. But, there are always those around who think they can build a better mousetrap. Most, if not all of us, did not come here to build mousetraps.

With this being primarily a retirement community, how many of us have generations left to worry about how big it is getting, anyway? I just feel that we should all be grateful for what we have instead of complaining about what we don't have or what someone else does have. Not only does the Morse family continue to grow their business and their profits (after all, isn't that what business is supposed to do), but we continue to reap the benefits while they put out the big bucks. Thank goodness, they are not the tightwads that some people here are.
:thumbup:

[rubicon]

In politics there are pro-life and pro-choice factions. So too in this discussion. Many subscribers on TOTV are pro-developer while the majority of subscribers on the OTHER PUBLICATION are pro-choice

TV no longer resembles its original concept. The Developer was suppose to develop and then move out of the way.

But the developer continued to build manipulated ways so that residents never get to vote.

The developer maneuvered to ensure that all 5 county commissioners (Sumter One) remained under his watchful eye

An amendment has been advance to eliminate the age 55+ restriction.

Saving cost by waiting for FEMA to pick up Irma debris. The result a lot of aggravation and a reason the rat population exploded. Just ask your pest control guy

We have a three rate water fee schedule plus base rates
claimed to conserve water but a population exploding because the developer continues onward. Apparently conservation means one thing for residents and another for the developer and realtors . Now that's hypocrisy.

The infrastructure cannot withstand this rapid growth.

people are being packed in like sardines. I don't believe sardines view their life as being lived in paradise

Personal Best Regards:

[Challenger]

Everything is relative.
Inadequate retail is nothing more than a current snap shot. Has nothing to do with what is yet to come.

I go back to my earlier post.
Inadequate retail?
How about what was not here retail wise as TV began to move across 466 (not 466 A).
No shopping center where Target is....no shopping center where Kohls is....no home depot....
nothing in or around Rolling acres.
No Lake Sumter Landing....and on and on.
Well the same thing that happened as the development moved not so slowly southward.
The population hit a critical mass level that was of interest to many national chains.
As the saying goes build it and they will come. Well once TV crossed 466 the population began to soar.

Does anybody remember when Publix at Colony Plaza opened. It was the place to go because there was nobody there.
Fast forward to crossing 466 A...the population continues to soar...the new retail continues to fill in....

For all of you that were not here during this evolution.....rest assured as south of 44 fills in the retail will come....and other businesses/restaurants/big boxes/and stuff like Shooters World will continue to come.

All the arm waving about Fenney this or that.....will be a laugh in 5 more years!!

As was stated by an earlier post.....sound advice.....TV is ours....NOT this is mine and that is yours!!

:BigApplause:

[asianthree]

I drive 40 minutes to get to a shopping mall up north. 20 to 40 minutes to get to a grocery. Why are so many are upset that driving 10minutes to get to everything is just going to ruin life here. Retail will come to the southern area.
I would say it’s a generation thing, but my parents shop online as much a we do. When we first came here LSL was just built, not many stores. 10 years later I can say If it wasn’t for Starbucks I would not shop in most stores in the squares, after all you can only store so many clothes, cooking stuff, and knickknacks.
I am trying to get rid of stuff and rarely see something I need or want.

[circletrack]

In politics there are pro-life and pro-choice factions. So too in this discussion. Many subscribers on TOTV are pro-developer while the majority of subscribers on the OTHER PUBLICATION are pro-choice

TV no longer resembles its original concept. The Developer was suppose to develop and then move out of the way.

But the developer continued to build manipulated ways so that residents never get to vote.

The developer maneuvered to ensure that all 5 county commissioners (Sumter One) remained under his watchful eye

An amendment has been advance to eliminate the age 55+ restriction.

Saving cost by waiting for FEMA to pick up Irma debris. The result a lot of aggravation and a reason the rat population exploded. Just ask your pest control guy

We have a three rate water fee schedule plus base rates
claimed to conserve water but a population exploding because the developer continues onward. Apparently conservation means one thing for residents and another for the developer and realtors . Now that's hypocrisy.

The infrastructure cannot withstand this rapid growth.

people are being packed in like sardines. I don't believe sardines view their life as being lived in paradise

Personal Best Regards:

You need to actually look into this over 55 change you keep bringing up because you’re completely wrong. Pick up a phone, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

And again on the infrastructure argument, you have yet to explain why you think all of a sudden, they will just only build houses this time and not add golf, retail, restaurants, and upgrade roads. WHEN HAS THIS HAPPENED SO FAR? Why would they mess with a system that’s made them millions. You just keep repeating this as if it’s fact.

You are correct, a lot of people fall on the extremes here when it come to the developers. I try to stay informed, talk with government officials, go right to the source. I really, really hope people don’t rely on the comment section of the online news to get their information.

And when it’s found out that all the outrage was over false information, people just move on to the next thing to get up in arms over.

[Marathon Man]

You need to actually look into this over 55 change you keep bringing up because you’re completely wrong. Pick up a phone, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

And again on the infrastructure argument, you have yet to explain why you think all of a sudden, they will just only build houses this time and not add golf, retail, restaurants, and upgrade roads. WHEN HAS THIS HAPPENED SO FAR? Why would they mess with a system that’s made them millions. You just keep repeating this as if it’s fact.

You are correct, a lot of people fall on the extremes here when it come to the developers. I try to stay informed, talk with government officials, go right to the source. I really, really hope people don’t rely on the comment section of the online news to get their information.

And when it’s found out that all the outrage was over false information, people just move on to the next thing to get up in arms over.

:agree:

[Bogie Shooter]

Oh woe is me, the sky is falling.............................

[Marathon Man]

In politics there are pro-life and pro-choice factions. So too in this discussion. Many subscribers on TOTV are pro-developer while the majority of subscribers on the OTHER PUBLICATION are pro-choice

Here is something I never understood. Maybe someone can explain it.

Why is being happy and satisfied with the community that we chose to live in considered bad? Why do some feel the need to categorize others as 'pro-developer', 'cool-aid drinkers', etc? Is thinking that the developer did a great job really incorrect, as some seem to think it is? Can't a person enjoy living here without having an opinion of the Morse family?

[graciegirl]

Here is something I never understood. Maybe someone can explain it.

Why is being happy and satisfied with the community that we chose to live in considered bad? Why do some feel the need to categorize others as 'pro-developer', 'cool-aid drinkers', etc? Is thinking that the developer did a great job really incorrect, as some seem to think it is? Can't a person enjoy living here without having an opinion of the Morse family?

I so agree. I don't KNOW the Morse family and they don't allow us to know them very well. I know them only by their works.

I think it is good business, and probably good mental health for the Morse family to stay OUT of the spotlight. It is wise to not advertise you want to do this or that when land is part of the equation. Suddenly that land becomes out of sight financially.

HOWEVER, she rants, I know enough about life in general, about business, and know that the things we get in return for our investment here of money is more than fair.

If I were the person behind the screen, I would stay behind the screen. It is O.K. to run a for profit business. That is what this country's financial well being is built on.

If the builder stopped. Another builder would begin, or a dozen. And we would have growth. Uncontrolled growth in a way that most would NOT like.

Florida has become the third most populous State in the Union and will continue to grow as ten thousand Boomers a day retire for the next 12 years.

Baby Boomers Retire | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/12/29/baby-boomers-retire/)

[vintageogauge]

That's a lot of Boomers Gracie. I doubt that I'll be around for 19 years to meet them all.

[Polar Bear]

...Many subscribers on TOTV are pro-developer while the majority of subscribers on the OTHER PUBLICATION are pro-choice
And the vast majority of Villagers are neither, simply living and enjoying their life here.

[Challenger]

I so agree. I don't KNOW the Morse family and they don't allow us to know them very well. I know them only by their works.

I think it is good business, and probably good mental health for the Morse family to stay OUT of the spotlight. It is wise to not advertise you want to do this or that when land is part of the equation. Suddenly that land becomes out of sight financially.

HOWEVER, she rants, I know enough about life in general, about business, and know that the things we get in return for our investment here of money is more than fair.

If I were the person behind the screen, I would stay behind the screen. It is O.K. to run a for profit business. That is what this country's financial well being is built on.

If the builder stopped. Another builder would begin, or a dozen. And we would have growth. Uncontrolled growth in a way that most would NOT like.

Florida has become the third most populous State in the Union and will continue to grow as ten thousand Boomers a day retire for the next 19 years.

Well said Gracie.

I have been involved and, on many other occasions observed community governing bodies once turned over to the "Inmates" Often an ugly scene. Kind of like turning over a country to a group that has no knowledge or experience in governing.

[FenneyGuy]

You need to actually look into this over 55 change you keep bringing up because you’re completely wrong. Pick up a phone, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

And again on the infrastructure argument, you have yet to explain why you think all of a sudden, they will just only build houses this time and not add golf, retail, restaurants, and upgrade roads. WHEN HAS THIS HAPPENED SO FAR? Why would they mess with a system that’s made them millions. You just keep repeating this as if it’s fact.

You are correct, a lot of people fall on the extremes here when it come to the developers. I try to stay informed, talk with government officials, go right to the source. I really, really hope people don’t rely on the comment section of the online news to get their information.

And when it’s found out that all the outrage was over false information, people just move on to the next thing to get up in arms over.

Great response to a person who seems to resist change and does not make those of us who are new or are moving to TV feel welcome.

[graciegirl]

That's a lot of Boomers Gracie. I doubt that I'll be around for 19 years to meet them all.

It is a lot. I should have given my source; Pew Research.

Here it is;

Baby Boomers Retire | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/12/29/baby-boomers-retire/)

AND I was wrong. The study was dated in 2010 So we only 12 more years of ten thousand a day Boomers retiring.

[Bogie Shooter]

Great response to a person who seems to resist change and does not make those of us who are new or are moving to TV feel welcome.

You are Welcome! Pay no attention to him.

[New Englander]

You are Welcome! Pay no attention to him.

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