matt lauer

[village dreamer]

wow nbc fired lauer today, lots of tv stars are going down, this is just the beginning of a long list.

[graciegirl]

wow nbc fired lauer today, lots of tv stars are going down, this is just the beginning of a long list.

SAD.

I missed the whole trial by jury and the evidence.

[perrjojo]

Sexual harassment is real and it is not acceptable but I fear this is becoming like the Salem Witch Hunt.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

SAD.

I missed the whole trial by jury and the evidence.

They believed the woman and said they suspect there have been others. Maybe Lauer admitted it or maybe NBC was trying to get out from under a very costly contract.

In any event, it's not a court of law so trial by jury is not necessary for a company to fire an employee. If he feels he's innocent, he has the right to sue for unjust dismissal and slander. If he does sue successfully, NBC would pay out a lot more than what his contract called for so I would guess that they are pretty sure about what occurred.

But problems might develop as these people are exposed. It's getting pretty easy for a woman to simply accuse a man of something that might have happened years ago in order to ruin his life. I would guess that there are plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harrassment.

[Madelaine Amee]

Sexual harassment is real and it is not acceptable but I fear this is becoming like the Salem Witch Hunt.

I KNOW I will get slammed for this but here goes .....

Totally agree with you on the witch hunt! Along with all the women who post on this board, we were all young once and I, for one, learned real early how to deal with harassment. I could go on and on, but just as a "for instance", would you really go to a man's apartment after he has put the move on you - as many of the women did with Harvey whatshisname!

Did anyone see Angela Lansbury's comments on this, this morning?

[graciegirl]

I KNOW I will get slammed for this but here goes .....

Totally agree with you on the witch hunt! Along with all the women who post on this board, we were all young once and I, for one, learned real early how to deal with harassment. I could go on and on, but just as a "for instance", would you really go to a man's apartment after he has put the move on you - as many of the women did with Harvey whatshisname!

Did anyone see Angela Lansbury's comments on this, this morning?

I agree.

Some men sexually harass women.
Some women lie about sexual harassment.
All people need to learn how to handle the strongest urge we all are gifted with, next to self preservation.

[dewilson58]

I have two different fears...............I have one for my son and grandsons and a second type of fear for my daughters and granddaughters.

Over the years, I've seen guys that were labeled, "Huggers". Most were just harmless, or appeared to be harmless. Harmless or not, the Huggee decides.

It's difficult.

[Madelaine Amee]

I have two different fears...............I have one for my son and grandsons and a second type of fear for my daughters and granddaughters.

Over the years, I've seen guys that were labeled, "Huggers". Most were just harmless, or appeared to be harmless. Harmless or not, the Huggee decides.

It's difficult.

Yes, feared for one of my sons, he was a pretty boy. He came through unscathed - I think, because I never heard anything.

For me, I learned very quickly that when a man put his arm around you for ANY REASON, you could just slide out of it and make an excuse to move on. But, I was never a starlet looking for a big break. I also had a wonderful older sister who taught me the ropes early on. However, I was never in a life or death situation, so I don't know how I would have handled that.

[NotGolfer]

There are two sides to a pancake...no matter how flat it is. That said, just read an article about the man and guess within "the office" his escapades were well known but NBC didn't want to do anything because the show was #1. Disgusting!!!

[GoodLife]

The complaint about Lauer was for sexual assault, not harassment, at Rio Olympics. This is just tip of the iceberg, NYT has been working on a Lauer story for months, stay tuned.

Sorry to all you who think Matt was just the sweetest guy.

@yashar

Lauer is among the worst I've heard about. Not in terms of the kind of misconduct but the way in which he manipulated these women into silence. It's evil, frightening stuff.

[alwann]

Not making excuses, but a lot partying went on after hours at the Rio games among reporters, network types and athletes. You see, there's a weakness with masculine biochemistry. Alcohol slows down inhibitions and makes guys believe all women want to have sex with them. It's like the old joke goes about what the difference is between a fox and a dog: three Martinis. Or you might remember the beatnik writings of Lawrence Ferlinghetti, "...And in the morning, she had bad teeth and didn't even like poetry."

By the way, is there a statute of limitations on this stuff? As a four-year-old, I may have had a playground "show-me-yours" encounter. :jester:

[graciegirl]

The complaint about Lauer was for sexual assault, not harassment, at Rio Olympics. This is just tip of the iceberg, NYT has been working on a Lauer story for months, stay tuned.

Sorry to all you who think Matt was just the sweetest guy.

@yashar

Lauer is among the worst I've heard about. Not in terms of the kind of misconduct but the way in which he manipulated these women into silence. It's evil, frightening stuff.

Can you link us to a credible source?

[graciegirl]

Looking for connection to New York Times and found that Lauer and NYT reporter Brian Stelter had a "contentious " relationship.

I wasn't paying attention back then, but this is interesting;

Access Denied (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/03/25/new-york-magazine-burns-the-today-show-in-cover-story-expose)

I am digging and finding dirt on Matt Lauer.

sigh.

[GoodLife]

Can you link us to a credible source?

Matt Lauer fired from NBC News after complaint about 'inappropriate sexual behavior' - Nov. 29, 2017 (http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/29/media/matt-lauer/index.html)

Just like Weinstein story, this will unfold in the next few days. There will be more about Matty.

Lack's memo said it was the first complaint lodged against Lauer in his career at the network. But it also said "we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident."
Indeed, Lack and other NBC News executives have known for weeks that The Times and Variety magazine were working on investigations into Lauer's behavior.
Variety's New York bureau chief Ramin Setoodeh said on Twitter that he and his colleague Elizabeth Wagmeister have been doing reporting "about serious sexual harassment allegations against Lauer" for two months.

[gerryh1943]

Matt Lauer was watch my me daily and I do like watching him, The Today Show,but I would like to know the full story and I do think all names should be included. They say it happen during the 2114 Olympics.

[fw102807]

This has been the culture for years and women feared if they said anything they would be blamed and/or they would become unemployable. I once worked for a very rich and powerful attorney and this was routine in the office. Fortunately I was not one of the pretty young girls.

[graciegirl]

This has been the culture for years and women feared if they said anything they would be blamed and/or they would become unemployable. I once worked for a very rich and powerful attorney and this was routine in the office. Fortunately I was not one of the pretty young girls.

We had an Aunt Lil who taught us all the "Listen Bub" Speech.

[fw102807]

We had an Aunt Lil who taught us all the "Listen Bub" Speech.

Listen Bub was a career killer.

[graciegirl]

Listen Bub was a career killer.

Prostitution is a many shaded sort of thing.

Dancing a side step and carefully maneuvering and diplomatically dealing with things takes expertise.

Moving fast and playing dumb enters into it.

[redwitch]

I’m all for getting the guys who either physically forced (raped in my book) or used their power to force a female to have sex but I’m getting tired of the groping claims. As has been said, too much of a witch hunt. I don’t like Al Franken’s groping but it certainly shouldn’t fall into the same category as Weinstein’s power rapes. You go after a minor, you deserve whatever you get, preferably in a court of law. Same with rape. At the very least, you deserve to be shown the door if you’ve forced someone to have “consensual” sex because of your power base. Lesser acts, to me, deserve public condemnation, embarrassment but not necessarily more than that, unless it is an act constantly repeated and is recent. I really don’t want to hear that you were groped thirty years ago when you were 25.

I know I’ve been the victim of sexual harassment, once by an attorney who gave me a choice — sleep with him or find a new job. Fortunately, I was skilled enough and mature enough that the intimidation went no further. I found a new job the next day. Had it happened today, I would have reported him so that he could not subject someone else to that kind of pressure. Even so, I’ve never forgotten the incident nor my feelings when it was said.

[GoodLife]

Prostitution is a many shaded sort of thing.

Dancing a side step and carefully maneuvering and diplomatically dealing with things takes expertise.

Moving fast and playing dumb enters into it.

Are you an expert on this? Are you insinuating that all these sexual harassment complaints come from prostitutes? Or do you have a credible link you can supply us with?

[graciegirl]

Are you an expert on this? Are you insinuating that all these sexual harassment complaints come from prostitutes? Or do you have a credible link you can supply us with?

Nope. Just my thoughts, misinterpreted. It happens a lot.

[graciegirl]

I’m all for getting the guys who either physically forced (raped in my book) or used their power to force a female to have sex but I’m getting tired of the groping claims. As has been said, too much of a witch hunt. I don’t like Al Franken’s groping but it certainly shouldn’t fall into the same category as Weinstein’s power rapes. You go after a minor, you deserve whatever you get, preferably in a court of law. Same with rape. At the very least, you deserve to be shown the door if you’ve forced someone to have “consensual” sex because of your power base. Lesser acts, to me, deserve public condemnation, embarrassment but not necessarily more than that, unless it is an act constantly repeated and is recent. I really don’t want to hear that you were groped thirty years ago when you were 25.

I know I’ve been the victim of sexual harassment, once by an attorney who gave me a choice — sleep with him or find a new job. Fortunately, I was skilled enough and mature enough that the intimidation went no further. I found a new job the next day. Had it happened today, I would have reported him so that he could not subject someone else to that kind of pressure. Even so, I’ve never forgotten the incident nor my feelings when it was said.

Well said. As usual.

[fw102807]

Exactly, you were "skilled enough and mature enough", not all the girls were and "if it happened today it would be a different story". It was a culture that I'm glad is finally being broken. The men felt they were entitled and the girls felt ashamed.

[Nucky]

NBC is not as proud as a Peacock anymore. I feel so bad for all these women who are being hurt. If they found out yesterday and cut him loose immediately it must really be a whopper screw up. I think I remember him getting into trouble at home with his wife several years ago with bad behavior at the Olympics. NBC needed to make room in the checkbook, don't forget they have his replacement ready in the bullpen, enter Megyn Kelly.

The Today Show was on in my house thru most of my life and it was great. I stopped watching about 9 years ago. On occasion I'll go back for a day or two and see what's happening. I really feel bad for Savannah & Al Roker. Al is the man, he is almost as good of a weatherman as our very own Tuccillo.

[rubicon]

Here we go again with the Kardashian School of Journalism ntion of news.

Suddenly simultaneously and across this nation the journalist, talking heads talk show host engage in trash talk that is being treated as note-worthy news

What ever happened to people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

What ever happened to don't kick a man when he is down?

what ever happened to speaking about people who inspired, that spoke to higher idea and goals et al?

We are a becoming a really sick society

[GoodLife]

Breaking: Matt Lauer accused of sexual harassment by multiple women

As the co-host of NBC’s “Today,” Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.
On another day, he summoned a different female employee to his office, and then dropped his pants, showing her his *****. After the employee declined to do anything, visibly shaken, he reprimanded her for not engaging in a sexual act.
He would sometimes quiz female producers about who they’d slept with, offering to trade names. And he loved to engage in a crass quiz game with men and women in the office: “f—, marry, or kill,” in which he would identify the female co-hosts that he’d most like to sleep with.

Matt Lauer Accused of Sexual Harassment by Multiple Women (EXCLUSIVE) – Variety (http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/)

[Villageswimmer]

After reading that Variety article, I’m at a loss as to why Savannah Guthrie is “devastated.” That whole crew kept his despicable behavior a secret for a long time. They all knew. It’s just horrible.

[davefin]

I call it Ann Curry Karma!

[Villageswimmer]

I call it Ann Curry Karma!


I was thinking the same thing. Ann and probably countless others.

[ColdNoMore]

SAD.

I missed the whole trial by jury and the evidence.

Say what? :oops:


You do understand don't you, that an employer doesn't need a legal verdict to terminate an employee if they feel they have credible reports...of blatant violations of their own rules of conduct? :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

Exactly, you were "skilled enough and mature enough", not all the girls were and "if it happened today it would be a different story". It was a culture that I'm glad is finally being broken. The men felt they were entitled and the girls felt ashamed.


:BigApplause:...EXCELLENT POST!....:BigApplause:


Maybe the winds of real change...are starting to blow.

For too long, all too many men and women have just accepted disgusting behavior like this while hiding behind an attitude of... "well, men are like that and we just need to accept it."

As the proud father of a daughter and two sons...they have all been taught differently.

Many companies, including Fox and CBS, should be complimented for their willingness to take decisive action...even when it hurts their fiscal bottom line.

As for politicians, it's not quite as easy to just fire them for the same things, but decent Americans need to immediately QUIT MAKING EXCUSES for these men (and potentially some women)...based on who they like or what party they belong to.

Have there been women who have made false accusations?

Of course there have been.

Are there 100 of times more incidents where women have stayed silent, because they saw how other women were attacked and savaged for speaking up?

Oh yeah...you can take that to the bank.

I guess what surprises me the most, are the women who attack the actual victims and stick up for the harassers...based solely on their own bias'. :ohdear:

Anyway, as I mentioned above, I hope this is the beginning of the end for the acceptance of this behavior...REGARDLESS of how much the person doing it is liked.

Given certain recent situations where the person has not only not suffered the consequences, but is still popular with a certain demographic...I'm still ambivalent on whether that will actually happen though.

[redwitch]

CNM, I totally agree. I want there to be professional behavior at work. I want sexual harassment to stop. I want it to be brought out in the open so that an individual feels free to say that behavior is not acceptable. However, I don’t want to see careers destroyed, marriages hurt, families completely humiliated because of bad behavior that was considered semi-acceptable at the time it was committed. Sexual predators, rapists, child molesters, stalkers — go get ‘em. Lock ‘me up and throw away the key. For the others, let them know their behavior will no longer be tolerated and any bad act from henceforth will be grounds for immediate termination, prosecution, public humiliation and civil lawsuits. I do believe in fair warnings.

[patfla06]

NBC has known about Lauer’s behavior for years.
When the ratings were great they ignored it.

It doesn’t help his case that he had a bad reputation which makes it easy to believe the charges.

I have to believe that NBC must have a strong case to fire him.

The bottom line is that the rich and famous have an enormous sense of entitlement.

[manaboutown]

Matt Lauer has always been a dirtbag IMHO. He tried to do a number on Bill O'Reilly in an interview about the allegations against Bill. Isn't Karma wonderful?

[dewilson58]

Matt Lauer has always been a dirtbag IMHO. He tried to do a number on Bill O'Reilly in an interview about the allegations against Bill. Isn't Karma wonderful?

Funny you mention this.............I never say the interview, but ABC just showed a segment of it. Matt was sitting pretty high and mighty.

[Carla B]

Not that anyone was affected by it in the least, but the Today Show and Matt Lauer lost one viewer (me) when they dismissed Ann Curry.

[dewilson58]

Let's not forget, we are all sinners.

We are by nature sinful and unclean. We have sinned against God in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done and by what we have left undone.

I pray for all.

[GoodLife]

Let's not forget, we are all sinners.

We are by nature sinful and unclean. We have sinned against God in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done and by what we have left undone.

I pray for all.

Ready to make your confession?

[Wiotte]

Let's not forget, we are all sinners.



We are by nature sinful and unclean. We have sinned against God in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done and by what we have left undone.



I pray for all.



Which is whyhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171130/e5dff33b1b74808fe02ade615e75c17b.jpg

[Allegiance]

Absolutely

[Allegiance]

Which is whyhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171130/e5dff33b1b74808fe02ade615e75c17b.jpgSo true

[bimmertl]

Matt Lauer has always been a dirtbag IMHO. He tried to do a number on Bill O'Reilly in an interview about the allegations against Bill. Isn't Karma wonderful?

Really, Bill O'Reilly, the poster boy for sexual harassment "allegations"? Dirtbag doesn't begin to describe what a scum Bill,"keep Christ in Christmas", O'Reilly is. Not one, but six settlements paid off on his behalf.


Report: Bill O'Reilly struck $32M sexual harassment settlement in Jan. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/21/report-bill-oreilly-struck-sexual-harassment-deal-january-former-fox-analyst/787360001/)

[Nucky]

Which is whyhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171130/e5dff33b1b74808fe02ade615e75c17b.jpg

I couldn't agree more.

[CFrance]

I couldn't agree more.
They know who's good & bad, too. Maybe Inappropriate Behavior dogs should be stationed in workplaces.:duck:

[fw102807]

CNM, I totally agree. I want there to be professional behavior at work. I want sexual harassment to stop. I want it to be brought out in the open so that an individual feels free to say that behavior is not acceptable. However, I don’t want to see careers destroyed, marriages hurt, families completely humiliated because of bad behavior that was considered semi-acceptable at the time it was committed. Sexual predators, rapists, child molesters, stalkers — go get ‘em. Lock ‘me up and throw away the key. For the others, let them know their behavior will no longer be tolerated and any bad act from henceforth will be grounds for immediate termination, prosecution, public humiliation and civil lawsuits. I do believe in fair warnings.

i disagree, termination is not the same as jail. The punishment should fit the crime no matter what it is. They knew they were doing wrong and they hurt people.

[Madelaine Amee]

CNM, I totally agree. I want there to be professional behavior at work. I want sexual harassment to stop. I want it to be brought out in the open so that an individual feels free to say that behavior is not acceptable. However, I don’t want to see careers destroyed, marriages hurt, families completely humiliated because of bad behavior that was considered semi-acceptable at the time it was committed. Sexual predators, rapists, child molesters, stalkers — go get ‘em. Lock ‘me up and throw away the key. For the others, let them know their behavior will no longer be tolerated and any bad act from henceforth will be grounds for immediate termination, prosecution, public humiliation and civil lawsuits. I do believe in fair warnings.

I find myself agreeing with your posts more and more.
During the time that I was a young woman in a professional office it was known that certain men in higher positions were to be watched constantly, and we learned never to shut the office door when you were in with these people, and we also learned that it was useless to go to Human Resources about their behavior because the woman was always blamed for being too attractive, or dressing too provocatively, or being a FLIRT! We knew (in those days) that we were second class citizens in the business world and we learned how to protect ourselves. With the advent of the Women's Movement things changed in the courts, but really nothing much changed in the corporate offices. Young attractive females were still considered "available".

I was very fortunate to have been raised by a wonderful Father and a very strong professional Mother. He taught me that men are kind and supportive and she taught me to never let my guard down at work or any other place, and to always "act" like a lady around men. "Don't give them the idea you are EASY." Never rely on your looks, make sure your ability lives up to your looks.

Plus, I was a female in the work place when jobs were plentiful! I did not have to worry about finding another job if I left this one.

[dewilson58]

Unconditional........Yep!

[Bay Kid]

Glad I am not important. I must have done 1 or 2 stupid things in my life.

[graciegirl]

This is going to take a toll on humor. Even Madison Avenue will probably be changing it's tune. sigh.

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[fw102807]

This is going to take a toll on humor. Even Madison Avenue will probably be changing it's tune. sigh.

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Humor died a long time ago once political correctness took over. I think one of the funniest movies of all time was Blazing Saddles which just offended everyone.

[karostay]

It was a hollywood culture that was the norm in the past.
Now the present has made it news worthy.

[sallybowron]

Many men including Matt Lauer have been accused of sexual improprieties and it is being acted upon. IMHO it should be. The thing that confuses me is that several presidents have also been accused and nothing has been done. Why not? All people who have preyed on women should be punished, no matter who they are. :boxing2:

[graciegirl]

Many men including Matt Lauer have been accused of sexual improprieties and it is being acted upon. IMHO it should be. The thing that confuses me is that several presidents have also been accused and nothing has been done. Why not? All people who have preyed on women should be punished, no matter who they are. :boxing2:

Ray Rice comes to mind.

[GoodLife]

I am confused by some comments. Is anybody here willing to defend Matt Lauer?

[fw102807]

I am confused by some comments. Is anybody here willing to defend Matt Lauer?

Not me

[Villageswimmer]

There is no defense for abuse of power.

[graciegirl]

There is no defense for abuse of power.

I don't know what happened.Someone could have wanted revenge for being pushed aside in her career or in his life.

Or could have wanted money. There is always that. Or he could be a low life nasty man.

But I kind of doubt it.

[CFrance]

///
It's not a witch hunt when the culprit is admitting some of the deeds.

People are not all black or white. There is some good and bad in all of us. It just depends which side of that wins out. Or where one's head goes once achieving wealth and stardom.

Compare Matt Lauer to Paul Newman.

[ColdNoMore]

There is no defense for abuse of power.

Agreed.

Or for those that attack the victim, enable and make excuses for the abusers...or try to defend them based purely on emotion.

[graciegirl]

It's not a witch hunt when the culprit is admitting some of the deeds.

People are not all black or white. There is some good and bad in all of us. It just depends which side of that wins out. Or where one's head goes once achieving wealth and stardom.

Compare Matt Lauer to Paul Newman.

Neither of us know either of them so we don't really know how they act in their real world.

My point is that a man can be a "victim" if someone lies about him.

[fw102807]

Neither of us know either of them so we don't really know how they act in their real world.

My point is that a man can be a "victim" if someone lies about him.

You must think Bill Cosby was a victim also. These men are rich and powerful and have egos the size of Chicago. They think the rules do not apply to them and now they are finding out that they do so finally some real change for women who have been victimized for years.

[graciegirl]

You must think Bill Cosby was a victim also. These men are rich and powerful and have egos the size of Chicago. They think the rules do not apply to them and now they are finding out that they do so finally some real change for women who have been victimized for years.

If a man is rich and powerful he is all of those things?

Automatically?

If a woman is rich and powerful does she have an ego the size of New York?

Is being financially successful and attaining one's goals harmful to your soul?

No I don't think Bill Cosby was a victim. Anyone who wants to have sex with someone who is unconscious is a sick person.

Matt Lauer may be just as sick.

My point is that someone can be a victim if someone lies about him.

I haven't always been an old unattractive woman. I have lived in this world.

[fw102807]

If a man is rich and powerful he is all of those things?

Automatically?

If a woman is rich and powerful does she have an ego the size of New York?

Is being financially successful and attaining one's goals harmful to your soul?

No I don't think Bill Cosby was a victim. Anyone who wants to have sex with someone who is unconscious is a sick person.

Matt Lauer may be just as sick.

My point is that someone can be a victim if someone lies about him.

I haven't always been an old unattractive woman. I have lived in this world.

Multiple victims have accused Matt Lauer and he has admitted to wrongdoing. What more do you need?

[graciegirl]

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[sallybowron]

Let's not forget, we are all sinners.

We are by nature sinful and unclean. We have sinned against God in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done and by what we have left undone.

I pray for all.


Thank you for your prayers buy I couldn't disagree more.
IMHO GOD created us in his image which is GOOD.
when we sin we choose to disregard that creation by being sinful.
It is a choice we make not an inherent depravity we give in to.
When in my twenties I worked nights to put myself through XRAY school. Most nights a doctor came by and offered me $20.00 to relieve his loneliness. He said he was away from home so much he didn't get his needs met. I told him to go home plus even if I did agree, I was worth far more than that.
I told my mother about this and she said that when she worked at the ordinance during WWII they officers propositioned them a lot. This is obviously not a new thing. Hopefully all the new attention sexual impropriety is getting will make life easier for our grandchildren. My grand daughters don't need to be harassed and my grandsons don't need to feel it is okay if they harass. :yuck:

[billethkid]

There is nothing new in the world of men and women.
What is going on today is no different than has been going on since there were men and women.

So what is different. Technology. The ability to communicate instantly with no requirement of truth being the primary driver. Add to that the politics, the special interests, the legal scavengers, the sensationalism mongers and the much lower moral values of our time.
In aggregate they create a more tolerant/permissive environment for many issues that once were held very private or were simply not allowed.

And then we have the ever present mystery of those who would accuse that have been silent for 10-40 years.

Nothing new. No more than ever before. Just more ability to tell more people almost instantly....with no verification needed.

[fw102807]

There is nothing new in the world of men and women.
What is going on today is no different than has been going on since there were men and women.

So what is different. Technology. The ability to communicate instantly with no requirement of truth being the primary driver. Add to that the politics, the special interests, the legal scavengers, the sensationalism mongers and the much lower moral values of our time.
In aggregate they create a more tolerant/permissive environment for many issues that once were held very private or were simply not allowed.

And then we have the ever present mystery of those who would accuse that have been silent for 10-40 years.

Nothing new. No more than ever before. Just more ability to tell more people almost instantly....with no verification needed.

You miss the point which is that yes it has been going on since the beginning of time, but it will no longer be tolerated. Many women have been victimized and been too ashamed to talk about it for 10-40 years whether you want to believe it or not.

[graciegirl]

You miss the point which is that yes it has been going on since the beginning of time, but it will no longer be tolerated. Many women have been victimized and been too ashamed to talk about it for 10-40 years whether you want to believe it or not.

You are right, but to be fair;

man released from prison. woman said she lied about rape - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=man+released+from+prison.+woman+said+she+ lied+about+rape&form=EDGHPT&qs=PF&cvid=5c33e8ca364a423a92b858c0b7b3419a&refig=cd1fe9a31015453eb07f02d72db42097&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AY3%21uAY7tbNNZGZ2yiGNjfOUxY9kV29STmyostY1wfuo RNBXTWIch7jLB9tQlpc13kTE6FsS4CVVhHmp32viGDGiskgRRo VzUGOmBMwwYK9t&PC=DCTS)

[fw102807]

We are not talking about rape. We are talking about intimidation and bullying that has been condoned too long by the boys will be boys mentality that has allowed these men to not only get away with it but brag about it to their friends. This behavior is repetitive and easily verified. I worked with an attorney who used to brag that he had been f*****g 20 year olds for 20 years.

[ColdNoMore]

To be even MORE fair......

Why Don't Victims of Sexual Harassment Come Forward Sooner? | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-compassion-chronicles/201711/why-dont-victims-sexual-harassment-come-forward-sooner)

It is amazing how many people shift the blame onto alleged victims, asking why they waited until now.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission reports receiving 12,000 allegations of sex-based harassment each year, with women accounting for about 83 percent of the complainants. That figure is believed to be just the tip of the iceberg.

In a study issued last year, the co-chairwomen of a commission task force said that roughly three to four people experiencing such harassment never tell anyone in authority about it.

[fw102807]

To be even MORE fair......

Why Don't Victims of Sexual Harassment Come Forward Sooner? | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-compassion-chronicles/201711/why-dont-victims-sexual-harassment-come-forward-sooner)

Exactly!

[dewilson58]

IMHO GOD created us in his image which is GOOD.
when we sin we choose to disregard that creation by being sinful.
It is a choice we make not an inherent depravity we give in to.

Or

So, the Bible certainly does teach that we are born in sin. Did God just arbitrarily decide people were going to be born sinful? The answer is found in connection with the first man, Adam. When Adam was created (without sin) by God and placed in the garden of Eden, he was also given a simple law (Genesis 2:16–17). Adam disobeyed God’s law, and God pronounced him guilty and sentenced him to death. It was Adam’s choice to disobey that made him guilty before God. He was the father of the human race, and his traits were passed on to his children. Romans 5:12 says that sin entered the world through Adam, and death came through sin, because all sinned. As descendants of Adam, we received the sin nature passed down from our fathers. That makes us born in sin, with a natural inclination to do wrong.

[CFrance]

We Presbys were not born in sin. Don't know how we got out of it.

Oh wait, I take that back. I was confusing it with our being "saved."

[dewilson58]

We Presbys were not born in sin. Don't know how we got out of it.

:thumbup:

[CFrance]

I know we're going to get mod-smacked for going off topic.:throwtomatoes:

[dewilson58]

It's related............we all sin, just in different degrees.

:shocked:

[fw102807]

Pretty sure ol Matt wasn't thinking about sin

[sallybowron]

"But problems might develop as these people are exposed. It's getting pretty easy for a woman to simply accuse a man of something that might have happened years ago in order to ruin his life. I would guess that there are plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harassment."

Two things:

1. why does it matter when it was done or if it ruins his life. If he did it, he ruined her life!
2. where do you get off "guessing" plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harassment."
That seems very judgmental. It seems you have forgotten to judge the men who have actually done it, no matter when they did it. This is why it has become so pervasive in our society. If a man does something inappropriate he should face up to it. If a woman does something inappropriate she should face up to it. When a person has been sexually assaulted it is far more serious than if they had their purse snatched for instant. A person's psychological well being when bruised usually stays bruised. No excuses should be accepted.

[graciegirl]

"But problems might develop as these people are exposed. It's getting pretty easy for a woman to simply accuse a man of something that might have happened years ago in order to ruin his life. I would guess that there are plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harassment."

Two things:

1. why does it matter when it was done or if it ruins his life. If he did it, he ruined her life!
2. where do you get off "guessing" plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harassment."
That seems very judgmental. It seems you have forgotten to judge the men who have actually done it, no matter when they did it. This is why it has become so pervasive in our society. If a man does something inappropriate he should face up to it. If a woman does something inappropriate she should face up to it. When a person has been sexually assaulted it is far more serious than if they had their purse snatched for instant. A person's psychological well being when bruised usually stays bruised. No excuses should be accepted.

I think how each of us look at this and how we feel about this issue has a lot to do with our own personal history.

[ColdNoMore]

"But problems might develop as these people are exposed. It's getting pretty easy for a woman to simply accuse a man of something that might have happened years ago in order to ruin his life. I would guess that there are plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harassment."

Two things:

1. why does it matter when it was done or if it ruins his life. If he did it, he ruined her life!
2. where do you get off "guessing" plenty of vindictive women out there that might be thinking about getting someone back for some kind of issue that was not sexual harassment."
That seems very judgmental. It seems you have forgotten to judge the men who have actually done it, no matter when they did it. This is why it has become so pervasive in our society. If a man does something inappropriate he should face up to it. If a woman does something inappropriate she should face up to it. When a person has been sexually assaulted it is far more serious than if they had their purse snatched for instant. A person's psychological well being when bruised usually stays bruised. No excuses should be accepted.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[alice getz]

I miss Ann Curry. Bring her back to Tv

[Erika]

I agree.

Some men sexually harass women.
Some women lie about sexual harassment.
All people need to learn how to handle the strongest urge we all are gifted with, next to self preservation.

By "strongest urge..." I believe you are referencing sexual drive, but many times incidents of harrassment have more to do with power than sexual gratification.

[Erika]

The worst I've heard about are men who prey on children or minors.

[CFrance]

By "strongest urge..." I believe you are referencing sexual drive, but many times incidents of harrassment have more to do with power than sexual gratification.
I agree to a certain extent. Powe is what leads to the ability to sexually harrass someone. But sexual gratification plays a part in that as well, IMO.

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[Wiotte]

I agree to a certain extent. Powe is what leads to the ability to sexually harrass someone. But sexual gratification plays a part in that as well, IMO.



Sexual gratification is very subjective. Power and sex can be mutually satisfying.


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