55+ ??????

[elshackovillages]

Just a question. I have seen over the last 3 months, police records from all 3 counties, of arrests of Village residents. How is it that, of the 60 or so people arrested, all but a few were under 55, and, some under 19. How could all these underage people be living in the Villages. The police reports say "resident of the Villages", not visitor.

[Arubagirl33]

They could be household residents of parents or family members. They’re issued ID cards that get renewed every two years with continued proof of residency at the same address.

[njbchbum]

You can find lotsa facts re 55+ communities at this website:
Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory)

The short answer is:
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes
For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:
1. At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
2. The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
3. The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Anyone living in the Villages under age 19 should have been granted a special permission usually due to their special needs.

[Kahuna32162]

55 to own
18 and over to move in with parents/grandparents
any age to rent, daily/weekly/monthly

Air BnB lists 300+ rooms or whole homes for as little $49/night (that's cheaper than most the no tell motels up on 441/27)

[Bonny]

55 to own
18 and over to move in with parents/grandparents
any age to rent, daily/weekly/monthly

Air BnB lists 300+ rooms or whole homes for as little $49/night (that's cheaper than most the no tell motels up on 441/27)
You don't have to be 55 to buy a house here.
We bought when we were 48 & 49.
A friend just bought a house here and he is in his 30's.

[dewilson58]

Sugar Daddy's and Cougars.


:girlneener:

[spring_chicken]

See post #3 for the CORRECT answer.
I don't know how so many people live here and don't know the rules.

[manaboutown]

Many if not most of the under 55 arrestees are living with mommy and daddy because they just got out of drug rehab, prison or the like. They just keep getting into trouble.

[rjm1cc]

Part of the answer could be how well the rules are enforced. It could also be that the community is no different than most over 55 in the percentage of problems. It just looks like a big problem because of the number of residences.
I also think short term rentals can be a problem.

[billethkid]

There is no "age requirement" for resale homes.

And if one did not look up the police reports or the villages dot com news...there would be no notable concerns with crime or the ages of the people who live here.

Always remember folks for some reason choose to ignore the 99% good and dwell on the 1% what ever.

[Tom C]

Where did you find the police records of arrests of Village residents?

[Allegiance]

Many if not most of the under 55 arrestees are living with mommy and daddy because they just got out of drug rehab, prison or the like. They just keep getting into trouble.So true. Everyone I know, knows of several of these troublemakers.

I bet most of those arrested have a multiple arrest record.

[dewilson58]

Nothing unique to The Villages as a community.

[Sandtrap328]

There is no "age requirement" for resale homes.

And if one did not look up the police reports or the villages dot com news...there would be no notable concerns with crime or the ages of the people who live here.

Always remember folks for some reason choose to ignore the 99% good and dwell on the 1% what ever.

The only age requirement is that a person must be over age 18 in order to live in The Villages. 18 or under can only visit up to 30 days per year. Of course, that is just about impossible to monitor since children and grandchildren from the 3 counties can get passes to be here 30 days at a time and keep getting extensions.

It is only checked if a neighbor complains to Deed Compliance - and we all know Villagers never would stick their nose in someone else's business. :1rotfl:

[elshackovillages]

You don't have to be 55 to buy a house here.
We bought when we were 48 & 49.
A friend just bought a house here and he is in his 30's.

I understand that 2
0% can be under 55. I don't understand how residents under 19 are living here, or, who is keeping track of HUD guidelines, to know how many people are living here, and the Villages promise, to screen everyone living here.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Sugar Daddy's and Cougars.


:girlneener:

:a20::a20:

[John_W]

Other places that are 55+ also have problems. I see in the Sunday newspaper every week 'On Top of the World' Condos in Clearwater for sale. They're very reasonable in the $75K to $150K range. I looked them up on the internet and found a message board. I started reading it, and most of the complaints were about young people living and renting and having parties and making noise and giving people a hard time, and the management doesn't do anything to enforce the housing rules.

You'll notice most of the retirement communities along Hwy 27 between Leesburg and Clermont advertise their golf courses in the newspaper. They have specials most of the time, and no mention of an age restriction. I haven't played any of those courses, but it seems a lot of local younger people are there probably on their golf course. I have very seldom played golf with younger people on our courses unless they were with their grandfather or father who lived here.

[Bogie Shooter]

Other places that are 55+ also have problems. I see in the Sunday newspaper every week 'On Top of the World' Condos in Clearwater for sale. They're very reasonable in the $75K to $150K range. I looked them up on the internet and found a message board. I started reading it, and most of the complaints were about young people living and renting and having parties and making noise and giving people a hard time, and the management doesn't do anything to enforce the housing rules.

You'll notice most of the retirement communities along Hwy 27 between Leesburg and Clermont advertise their golf courses in the newspaper. They have specials most of the time, and no mention of an age restriction. I haven't played any of those courses, but it seems a lot of local younger people are there probably on their golf course. I have very seldom played golf with younger people on our courses unless they were with their grandfather or father who lived here.
Could you explain this?

[Bogie Shooter]

I understand that 2
0% can be under 55. I don't understand how residents under 19 are living here, or, who is keeping track of HUD guidelines, to know how many people are living here, and the Villages promise, to screen everyone living here.

You should read all of post #3...................

[DangeloInspections]

Could you explain this?

I believe that JohnW may be referring to the two golf courses in The Plantation and the one in Arlington Ridge. There is also Mission Inn, Sanctuary Ridge, etc.

These are 55+ communities and their golf courses are public. So are the restaurants there. Ironically, these courses are played often by Villagers I'm told when the courses in The Villages get too busy.

My son who works with me plays golf around here often on the public courses. He of course is well under 55, has a 7 handicap and lives in a smaller non 55+community a mile south of me nestled in between two other 55+ communities.

They have a teenage daughter, so of course they cannot live in a 55+ community. In a few years she will be over 18 years old and at that time if they so choose, they could buy and live in any 55+ community around here.

When I first moved down here I bought a home in a 55+ community. I was 48 years old. No one even asked our ages. I was told that 20% could own and live in the community as long as we did not have any kids living there less than 19. We did not.

A 20 year old person could buy a home in a 55+ community, and as long as they did not have anyone less than 19 living in the home it would be perfectly legal.

Frank

[elshackovillages]

Where did you find the police records of arrests of Village residents?

You don't. The Sun posts who was arrested, listing where every one arrested lives.
or example "Joe Smith, residing in The Villages, was arrested for shoplifting at Belk's".

[rubicon]

You might want to look at what TVLSI has been doing. many properties are purchased by investors and they can rent them out to whom they choose. Secondly there are homes purchased by people under 55. we have three neighbors who fit that age range.

Many of the villa's over in fenney were purchased strictly as investment properties. I was told that TVLSI has plans for townhouses multi-family dwellings and condo's ??????????

You have read on these pages and in the other online publications residents who have lamented that the 3rd generation is destroying the original villages's lifestyle concept.

This may be true because what marketing people told buyers in 1999 ...2000....2006....2008....has evolved as TV continued its build out.

Instead of having meaningful, relevant and logical dialogue concerning the preservation of the TV lifestyle some posters defaulted to their defense of TV and TVLSI. This has always been non-productive. so here we are

Personal Best Regards:

[spring_chicken]

I understand that 2
0% can be under 55. I don't understand how residents under 19 are living here, or, who is keeping track of HUD guidelines, to know how many people are living here, and the Villages promise, to screen everyone living here.

Please read post #3.
There IS NOT A SET percentage that can or cannot LIVE here.
Post #3 sums it up quite well.

[graciegirl]

You might want to look at what TVLSI has been doing. many properties are purchased by investors and they can rent them out to whom they choose. Secondly there are homes purchased by people under 55. we have three neighbors who fit that age range.

Many of the villa's over in fenney were purchased strictly as investment properties. I was told that TVLSI has plans for townhouses multi-family dwellings and condo's ??????????

You have read on these pages and in the other online publications residents who have lamented that the 3rd generation is destroying the original villages's lifestyle concept.

This may be true because what marketing people told buyers in 1999 ...2000....2006....2008....has evolved as TV continued its build out.

Instead of having meaningful, relevant and logical dialogue concerning the preservation of the TV lifestyle some posters defaulted to their defense of TV and TVLSI. This has always been non-productive. so here we are

Personal Best Regards:

Just because you have a lot of "youngsters" living near you doesn't mean that anything has changed or that the "third generation is destroying the original Villages Lifestyle". It probably means that folks near you exited stage right and are playing bridge with St. Peter and new folks have moved in. WHY in the world would anyone destroy a business plan that works so well?

Please read this;

What Is the 80/20 Rule in Active Adult Communities? (https://www.55places.com/blog/what-is-the-8020-rule-in-active-adult-communities)

[njbchbum]

I understand that 2
0% can be under 55. I don't understand how residents under 19 are living here, or, who is keeping track of HUD guidelines, to know how many people are living here, and the Villages promise, to screen everyone living here.

My guess is that when folks go to Admin Hdqtrs to get their IDs the info for HUD re age is obtained from those applications.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Just a question. I have seen over the last 3 months, police records from all 3 counties, of arrests of Village residents. How is it that, of the 60 or so people arrested, all but a few were under 55, and, some under 19. How could all these underage people be living in the Villages. The police reports say "resident of the Villages", not visitor.

Here we go again. The "rule" is that 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person under that age of 55.

That leaves a lot of room for people under age 55 to live here.

It's also illegal for anyone under the age of 19 to live here so that question is a bit more puzzling.

We do have three or four "family" villages that have no age restrictions. I'm guessing that the people who live in those might also be considered Villages residents.

[dewilson58]

Here we go again. The "rule" is that 80% of the homes must be occupied by at least one person under that age of 55.

That leaves a lot of room for people under age 55 to live here.
.

Sure does leave a lot of room.............80% under. Never heard that one before.

But again, I'm not a dentist.

[manaboutown]

Sure does leave a lot of room.............80% under. Never heard that one before.

But again, I'm not a dentist.

Freudian slip?

[dewilson58]

Freudian slip?

Always one foot on a banana peel.

[pauld315]

I understand that 2
0% can be under 55. I don't understand how residents under 19 are living here, or, who is keeping track of HUD guidelines, to know how many people are living here, and the Villages promise, to screen everyone living here.

Where did this 'screening process' come from ? Never heard that one before. Only way someone under 19 is living here "legally" is if they have special needs.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Sure does leave a lot of room.............80% under. Never heard that one before.

But again, I'm not a dentist.

Obviously a typo. Thank you for pointing it out.

Here's is the actual law that has been posted in this thread already, but it seems that many have trouble understanding.

Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes
For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:
1. At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
2. The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
3. The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Anyone living in the Villages under age 19 should have been granted a special permission usually due to their special needs.

Here is more detail if anyone is interested.

Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory)

I don't understand why this keeps coming up. It seems that so many people don't take the time to read a synopsis of a simple law.

[ts12755]

Most just got out of jail or are strung out on drugs and cant make it on their own so mom or dad take them in...

[banjobob]

Just a question. I have seen over the last 3 months, police records from all 3 counties, of arrests of Village residents. How is it that, of the 60 or so people arrested, all but a few were under 55, and, some under 19. How could all these underage people be living in the Villages. The police reports say "resident of the Villages", not visitor.
The sad case in a lot these felons is they are losers and moved in with mom and dad because they couldn't make a life for themselves , others are legimate and are helping care for elderly amd do work and are good citizens. There are up to 20% of total can be under 55

[tuccillo]

I believe 80% of the homes need to be occupied by at least one person 55 or over. In the case of someone living with their parents, as long as they are 19 or over there aren't any percentages that are applied.

The sad case in a lot these felons is they are losers and moved in with mom and dad because they couldn't make a life for themselves , others are legimate and are helping care for elderly amd do work and are good citizens. There are up to 20% of total can be under 55

[dewilson58]

Most just got out of jail or are strung out on drugs and cant make it on their own so mom or dad take them in...

:1rotfl:

[genobambino]

New bees seem to think The Villages is a resort, IT'S NOT... this is just another community of people like any other except for the 55 and over thing...people live their lives here just like any other city, so you get the good and the bad..just like everywhere else..the sooner people realize this and quit thinking there entitled to certain things the happier they will be...from what I have observed it usually takes 1 to 2 years to figure out your not special...

[justjim]

Age is 19The only age requirement is that a person must be over age 18 in order to live in The Villages. 18 or under can only visit up to 30 days per year. Of course, that is just about impossible to monitor since children and grandchildren from the 3 counties can get passes to be here 30 days at a time and keep getting extensions.

It is only checked if a neighbor complains to Deed Compliance - and we all know Villagers never would stick their nose in someone else's business. :1rotfl:

For the record, you are suppose to be 19 or older to live full-time. That said, these rules are rarely enforced unless there is a complaint. Lots of rentals in TV and many “fly under the radar”. TV is still a great community and a wonderful retirement lifestyle. Until the unnamed on-line news, it was rare to see any arrests in TV.

[Nick2065]

You all are so worried about people’s ages living in the villages.. I would stop worrying about people’s ages and start worrying about the CRIMES being committed in the villages. There are rules and I know plenty of people who were evicted for having children under 19 living in the villages.. Merry Christmas

[OhioBuckeye]

They could be household residents of parents or family members. They’re issued ID cards that get renewed every two years with continued proof of residency at the same address.

They have to have one parent working here to have a child (these aren't children) under 18 yrs. old live here. Also a certain percentage under 55 can live here too, that's what I've heard. Besides why in the would a parent have a so called child this old living with them. To me this would mean they're dead beats & mooching off of mom & dad. I agree with you ARUBAGIRL33. If The Villages want to let children live here let them but for gods sake don't let some 45 to 55 yr. old come in with them. Yes, it does seem like when you hear about trouble in TV it does seem like it's usually these so called 55 yr. old children. But what are we going to do about it. Personally we're looking to move as soon as we find another home back where we used to live, but not because of this so much but it is part of why were moving. GOOD QUESTION THOUGH!

[OhioBuckeye]

You can find lotsa facts re 55+ communities at this website:
Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory)

The short answer is:
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes
For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:
1. At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
2. The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
3. The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Anyone living in the Villages under age 19 should have been granted a special permission usually due to their special needs.

I agree with what you're saying but don't you really that a so called child living with a parent yet that's 50/55 yrs. old could be trouble unless they're severly handicapped? This is a little shady to me.

[Allegiance]

I agree with what you're saying but don't you really that a so called child living with a parent yet that's 50/55 yrs. old could be trouble unless they're severly handicapped? This is a little shady to me. Shady? I think that it's an interesting point. Could you please elaborate?

Thank you

[Barefoot]

See post #3 for the CORRECT answer. I don't know how so many people live here and don't know the rules. :agree: njbchbum gave the correct answer in post #3.

[njbchbum]

You can find lotsa facts re 55+ communities at this website:
Housing for Older Persons Directory / Resources / Home - Florida Commission on Human Relations (http://fchr.state.fl.us/fchr/resources/housing_for_older_persons_directory)

The short answer is:
Federal Register 24 CFR Part 100; section 760.24-760.37 (4a), Florida Statutes
For a community to be considered "housing for older persons" as a 55+ community, the housing must be intended and operated for occupancy by persons 55 years of age or older and meet the following requirements:
1. At least 80% of the occupied units are occupied by at least one person 55 years of age or older.
2. The facility or community publishes and adheres to policies and procedures that demonstrate its intent to in fact be a provider of housing for older persons.
3. The facility or community complies with rules established by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) for verification of occupancy.

Anyone living in the Villages under age 19 should have been granted a special permission usually due to their special needs.

I agree with what you're saying but don't you really that a so called child living with a parent yet that's 50/55 yrs. old could be trouble unless they're severly handicapped? This is a little shady to me.

What I posted is the law - not my opinion that needs agreement.

An older child living with parents is "shady'? LOL I know several parents who have opened their homes to returning children, which children have returned for NUMEROUS reasons - from addiction to divorce to illness to unemployment to financial ruin to caring for thier parents, ETC! I do not judge why the children return; and it is clear that the parents accept them back because they still love their children! The same holds true no matter where parents live and where/when children need assistance - no matter the age of the parents or their children.

[rosie 136]

A lot of the people that live in the Villages, think like where they live, wake up people, The Villages is not HEAVEN. No matter where you live there is crime and not always from the young. Enjoy all that The Villages offer. Life is what it is, just saying..................

[Allegiance]

A lot of the people that live in the Villages, think like where they live, wake up people, The Villages is not HEAVEN. No matter where you live there is crime and not always from the young. Enjoy all that The Villages offer. Life is what it is, just saying..................As Harold Schwartz would say, "What can be done to make the villages better?"


Then ask yourself if your complaint is reasonable.

[manaboutown]

It seems to me there are three groups of under 55 living in TV and other retirement communities. Maybe a fourth - early retirees. The first is the physically and or mentally disabled who need to reside with a parent or guardian. No problem with them. The second group are the loving caregivers who move in to take care of an aging parent or two. Again, no problem. Then, the third are the felons out of prison, drug addicts and miscellaneous low life who return to mooch off their parent or parents. These are the problem folks who commit so many crimes, get the DWI's and cause so many problems.

[Fraugoofy]

It seems to me there are three groups of under 55 living in TV and other retirement communities. Maybe a fourth - early retirees. The first is the physically and or mentally disabled who need to reside with a parent or guardian. No problem with them. The second group are the loving caregivers who move in to take care of an aging parent or two. Again, no problem. Then, the third are the felons out of prison, drug addicts and miscellaneous low life who return to mooch off their parent or parents. These are the problem folks who commit so many crimes, get the DWI's and cause so many problems.And there are people like me who bought a house in TV at age 42. Since my spouse is 9 years older than me, made sense to us...

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[manaboutown]

And there are people like me who bought a house in TV at age 42. Since my spouse is 9 years older than me, made sense to us...

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Absolutely! Early retirees...or at least early birds.

[graciegirl]

And there are people like me who bought a house in TV at age 42. Since my spouse is 9 years older than me, made sense to us...

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I like your posts and YOU very much Frau...even though you are younger than my children. I like them too and they like me.

[Allegiance]

And there are people like me who bought a house in TV at age 42. Since my spouse is 9 years older than me, made sense to us...

Sent from my SM-N920R4 using TapatalkThat is truly success. Retiring young and finding the villages.

We did the same.

Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah VII.

[Villagevip]

Sure does leave a lot of room.............80% under. Never heard that one before.

But again, I'm not a dentist.

Thinking, if they can move a house, the powers that be will take the money..Deal with it later, if a problem...

IDK,..I'm not a gynecologist, But, i'll take a look...

[dewilson58]

Thinking if they can move a house, powers the be will take the money..Deal with it later, if a problem...

IDK,..I'm not a gynecologist, But, I will take a look...

:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Greg Nelson]

It's like a young lady told me about TV..'I've never seen so many old people in my life'!

[Mttbreuk]

As I was told by a 42yr. old future owner of a Virginia Trace home: for any federal money to go to the community, there has to be houses available to 20% of the population, meeting ALL FEDERAL guidelines. That is why there had to be a grade school and high school available to residents. So, there are lots of people under the age of 55+ that can own homes. You probably don't mind the ones that are professionals. I imagine there is a very elderly homeowner needing care for each of these mug shots, and these low-life are sucking them also for every thing they have, too. Remember, everything good has a bad side too.