DO THIS and no Democrat will ever again be elected to the Senate.

[Bog99]

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Do this and no Democrat will ever again be elected to the Senate.




Subject: Repeal of the 17th Amendment, i.e. returning election of Senators to the State Legislature instead of popular election.

What's bad about 'popular' is all you have to do is get the 'rabble vote' of the state's biggest cities and that's it, esp. the coastal states like NY and CA . You may have seen elsewhere on the board and attached below.

In the posting below, yours truly is in "shriek mode", for various "marketing" reasons.

In a more relaxed setting, such as being in the presence of veterans and discussing military service, I though I'd advance an aspect of Repealing the 17th that has bearing on the military, namely, the Senate's authority to declare war under the Constitution.

Backing up for a moment, my 'sales pitch' for Repealing the 17th has 3 benefits for American values (i.e. Type 1 laws: good; Type 2 laws: bad):

1) no state legislature is going to send an aggressive big-government liberal to Washington to turn around and start imposing hellish Federal impositions on the States (taxes, regs, social engineering and environmental laws).

2) no state-legislature Senate is going to send corrupters of American values to the Supreme Court (e.g. Ginsburg)

3) Pertinent to military matters: a state legislature-elected Senate will be much more concerned about:

a) having its war-making authority respected

b) being Very deliberate in decisions about declaring war

(PS: now a "romper room", the Senate used to be called 'the deliberative body' (as opposed to the House)).





Since WWII, war-making decisions have degraded to basically nothing; in this sense we are no longer a Republic but have turned into an Empire, and the Emperor makes war decisions, very contrary to the Founders' intent.

So, with that as a setting, what would "the list" of American wars look like if they had to have been Declared by a state legislature-elected Senate? I submit that that list would be shorter, and those wars would be shorter as well. We can discuss that or leave to the imagination as preferred.

I would ask, however, to look to the future and what can be given to future generations, i.e. returning to future generations what the Founders gave us in the first place, namely a huge barrier to American involvement in war.










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Repeal of the 17th Amendment.

No matter how corrupt they may be, no State Legislature is going to send a Femo-Fascist (like Hillary Clinton) to Washington, who then turns around and tries to impose mountains of Federal crap on the States, e.g. gun control, Obamacare, environmentalism, touchy-feely laws, taxes-taxes-taxes, etc.

The minute they become Beltway-too-big-for-their-britches, they get yanked out of office by the State Legislature.

The Founding Fathers understood this simple mechanism and check on the Federal Govt. They also hated democracy, for the disgusting reasons we can see in Femo-Fascism.

We can start to turn back the Femo-Fascist tide of sewage by Repealing the 17th Amendment.

If not sure why Femo-Fascism is the tide of sewage referred to above, please see Type 2 Laws discussed at


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/structure-politics-248309/


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[Bog99]

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[doughete]

Could this have been titled, "Do this and no Republican will be reelected to the Senate?

[mellincf]

It took Democrats and other progressives more than a century to create a strong, stable middle class in this country through labor unions, progressive taxation, tough regulation of business, a commitment to civil rights, legal rights, and human rights, and a comprehensive safety net.

It has taken Republicans less than half a century to destroy all those things, doubling down in recent years, using their massive dark money power to destroy public unions and labor rights, shred regulations, eliminate the progressive tax code in favor of an endless cornucopia of goodies for the super-rich as they transfer public money into private pockets, and now, finally---the little creep Paul Ryan's most cherished dream----a frontal assault on the safety net, including Social Security and Medicare.

Republican voters need to understand what they're voting for--that "Golden Past" when America was "great." There was no significant middle class in America before the reforms of the early 20th century. There was just a handful of rich people, and a whole wretched, scared, powerless lot of poor folks working their tails off for lousy wages and begging for crumbs. There was a lot of starvation, bank failures, and wretched, miserable, unrelieved poverty.

That's where the dark money Republicans plan to take us again---and will take us, if Americans don't stand up and fight back.

[Paper1]

A forced balanced budget requirement would fix everything wrong with politics. Obamacare, the so called tax/jobs bill just passed, big increase in military spending, earned income credit, etc would all be looked at carefully. Now as long as our grandchildrens credit card is backing everything no one cares. IMHO

[Ron_Ski]

While there is merit to your proposal, I don't think that will happen as the average American wouldn't really understand what you are trying to accomplish.
What they do understand is term limits and that would, in my opinion, be an easier sell.

My proposal would be to increase Representative terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit and limit Senators to 2 terms.

It takes 34 states to call an article V constitutional convention. The last attempt was in 1983 when 32 states were on board for a balanced budget ammendment.

[doughete]

It took Democrats and other progressives more than a century to create a strong, stable middle class in this country through labor unions, progressive taxation, tough regulation of business, a commitment to civil rights, legal rights, and human rights, and a comprehensive safety net.

It has taken Republicans less than half a century to destroy all those things, doubling down in recent years, using their massive dark money power to destroy public unions and labor rights, shred regulations, eliminate the progressive tax code in favor of an endless cornucopia of goodies for the super-rich as they transfer public money into private pockets, and now, finally---the little creep Paul Ryan's most cherished dream----a frontal assault on the safety net, including Social Security and Medicare.

Republican voters need to understand what they're voting for--that "Golden Past" when America was "great." There was no significant middle class in America before the reforms of the early 20th century. There was just a handful of rich people, and a whole wretched, scared, powerless lot of poor folks working their tails off for lousy wages and begging for crumbs. There was a lot of starvation, bank failures, and wretched, miserable, unrelieved poverty.

That's where the dark money Republicans plan to take us again---and will take us, if Americans don't stand up and fight back.

I think we might be missing something. I think there might be some members of this forum who remember when the republican party freed the slaves and that's why they are so attached to the republicans.

[Bog99]

Could this have been titled, "Do this and no Republican will be reelected to the Senate?

Answer: absolutely not.

Explained: Repealing the 17th will prevent Democrats from being elected Senators because STATES -- like people -- don't like having Type 2 laws imposed on them (EPA laws, civil rights laws, gun laws, land use laws...).

( for more on Type 2 laws, see https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/structure-politics-type-1-vs-type-2-laws-248949/


Democrats are basically Type 2 manipulators and snake-oil salesmen. State Legislatures WILL NOT send those kind of people to the Senate.

Make sense?

[Don Baldwin]

Answer: absolutely not.

Explained: Repealing the 17th will prevent Democrats from being elected Senators because STATES -- like people -- don't like having Type 2 laws imposed on them (EPA laws, civil rights laws, gun laws, land use laws...).

( for more on Type 2 laws, see https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/structure-politics-type-1-vs-type-2-laws-248949/


Democrats are basically Type 2 manipulators and snake-oil salesmen. State Legislatures WILL NOT send those kind of people to the Senate.

Make sense?

White men don't like "type 2" laws...but women and minorities LOVE them...they DEPEND on them...they are now the clear majority...it will NEVER be repealed.

You have as much chance as I do removing 100 million Hispanics who are invading us.

[Paper1]

While there is merit to your proposal, I don't think that will happen as the average American wouldn't really understand what you are trying to accomplish.
What they do understand is term limits and that would, in my opinion, be an easier sell.

My proposal would be to increase Representative terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit and limit Senators to 2 terms.

It takes 34 states to call an article V constitutional convention. The last attempt was in 1983 when 32 states were on board for a balanced budget ammendment.
Your reply does make some sense but there are to many people and states benefiting from deficiet spending to even consider a constitutional convention so that will take courageous leadership in Congress and that won’t happen without term limits. Unfortunately term limits are extremely doubtful because of money in politics created by deficiet spending. I really think things will have to completely tank before anything changes and by then China will hold all the cards. IMHO

[Don Baldwin]

Your reply does make some sense but there are to many people and states benefiting from deficiet spending to even consider a constitutional convention so that will take courageous leadership in Congress and that won’t happen without term limits. Unfortunately term limits are extremely doubtful because of money in politics created by deficiet spending. I really think things will have to completely tank before anything changes and by then China will hold all the cards. IMHO

Nothing changes until the Ds and Rs stop running things. The parties are completely corrupt...BOTH sides.

There you go paper..you're getting it...Over $20 trillion has been stolen and given to the wealthy who PUT the politicians in place who rob us and give it to them.

China won't hold anything but paper IOUs. China is being used like everyone else in the world is being used. China NEEDS from without and as long as that condition exists...we own China. Just like we own Japan. Japan is another big Asian sucker...taking our paper IOUs...because they had no choice after the war.

It's all a paper Ponzi anyway. They create "money" out of thin air...almost at will...their ONLY constraint is inflation...to keep their Ponzi going they have to keep the money inflation at a reasonable rate...that's where all their schemes come in...petrodollars...world reserve currency..."managing" interest rates. Banking is literally free money...but you can't print too much...too fast.

[Sandtrap328]

Hilarious that the Alabama idiot got beat by a Democrat. And Alabama is about the Reddest state you can find!

As for term limits - do you honestly think any Congressman is going to vote to cut their job? Get real!

[Ron_Ski]

If a constitutional convention is held, then no congressman has any say or vote in any proposed amendment.

I have no expectation that term limits would ever happen, it is merely an exercise in how the country might be improved.

[Wiotte]

What have Democrats done for hard working Americans ?

• The Democratic Party has a long and cherished history of trying to do the most good for the greatest number of people.
• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act, Motor Voter
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)

[Don Baldwin]

Hilarious that the Alabama idiot got beat by a Democrat. And Alabama is about the Reddest state you can find!

As for term limits - do you honestly think any Congressman is going to vote to cut their job? Get real!

Alabama has a LOT of minorities...a LOT of minorities. Accurate numbers are impossible to find...Hispanics are hidden, grouped in with whites. I'd bet Alabama is close to being 50:50 as it is 27% black. Changing demographics...only 25% of the population is white men. THAT is why Moore lost. There will be a changing of the guard. The R party is toast...America is toast. UNLESS we deport about 100 million illegal Hispanics...who put down white when filling out forms.

It doesn't matter WHO gets elected...as long as they have a D or R after their name...the stealing, the corruption will go on. They don't care who it is...as long as they're bought off and work for the system. We could limit them to a year, 6 months, a week, a day...and they'd STILL ALL be crooks...because THAT is the ONLY way to get on the ballot. Your "choice" when you vote is...the "conservative crook"..the R...or the "liberal crook"...the D. The point being BOTH are crooks...they just have different employers.

Why do you think there are instances where someone runs unopposed? It's nearly impossible to get on the ballot when you're not affiliated with the D or R party. They just submit a name...independents have to jump through all kinds of hoops...nearly impossible hoops.

[Paper1]

What have Democrats done for hard working Americans ?

• The Democratic Party has a long and cherished history of trying to do the most good for the greatest number of people.
• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act, Motor Voter
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)
I agree this is an impressive list but Dems forgot to pay for it and this is going to be a big problem for next generation. It is much easier to receive than give, if you know what I mean.

[Don Baldwin]

I agree this is an impressive list but Dems forgot to pay for it and this is going to be a big problem for next generation. It is much easier to receive than give, if you know what I mean.

It's NEVER going to be paid back...

[Bog99]

It took Democrats and other progressives more than a century to create a strong, stable middle class in this country through labor unions, progressive taxation, tough regulation of business, a commitment to civil rights, legal rights, and human rights, and a comprehensive safety net.

It has taken Republicans less than half a century to destroy all those things, doubling down in recent years, using their massive dark money power to destroy public unions and labor rights, shred regulations, eliminate the progressive tax code in favor of an endless cornucopia of goodies for the super-rich as they transfer public money into private pockets, and now, finally---the little creep Paul Ryan's most cherished dream----a frontal assault on the safety net, including Social Security and Medicare.

Republican voters need to understand what they're voting for--that "Golden Past" when America was "great." There was no significant middle class in America before the reforms of the early 20th century. There was just a handful of rich people, and a whole wretched, scared, powerless lot of poor folks working their tails off for lousy wages and begging for crumbs. There was a lot of starvation, bank failures, and wretched, miserable, unrelieved poverty.

That's where the dark money Republicans plan to take us again---and will take us, if Americans don't stand up and fight back.


Disgusting.


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[Bog99]

A forced balanced budget requirement would fix everything wrong with politics. Obamacare, the so called tax/jobs bill just passed, big increase in military spending, earned income credit, etc would all be looked at carefully. Now as long as our grandchildrens credit card is backing everything no one cares. IMHO


Does this have anything to do with Repealing the 17th Amendment, and starting the roll-back of Type 2 law?



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[Bog99]

While there is merit to your proposal, I don't think that will happen as the average American wouldn't really understand what you are trying to accomplish.
What they do understand is term limits and that would, in my opinion, be an easier sell.

My proposal would be to increase Representative terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit and limit Senators to 2 terms.

It takes 34 states to call an article V constitutional convention. The last attempt was in 1983 when 32 states were on board for a balanced budget ammendment.

A) Repealing the 17th is a simple concept that just takes a few $million in marketing to get the cause/effect concepts across.

B) Term Limits: go for it. I purposely avoid it for tactical reasons: it points too directly at the political class and its perqs. Republican apparatchiks will pay lip service to it and do nothing. If not Constitutional, the "mere laws" will be bi-partisan overturned at earliest convenience, as Bloomberg did, as was done in, I think, Idaho.

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[Bog99]

White men don't like "type 2" laws...but women and minorities LOVE them...they DEPEND on them...they are now the clear majority...it will NEVER be repealed.

You have as much chance as I do removing 100 million Hispanics who are invading us.


Another post from the all-problem/no-solution crank.

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[Bog99]

Your reply does make some sense but there are to many people and states benefiting from deficiet spending to even consider a constitutional convention so that will take courageous leadership in Congress and that won’t happen without term limits. Unfortunately term limits are extremely doubtful because of money in politics created by deficiet spending. I really think things will have to completely tank before anything changes and by then China will hold all the cards. IMHO


i.e. that's your excuse for doing nothing except burden everyone else with your complaints.


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[Bog99]

Nothing changes until the Ds and Rs stop running things. The parties are completely corrupt...BOTH sides.

There you go paper..you're getting it...Over $20 trillion has been stolen and given to the wealthy who PUT the politicians in place who rob us and give it to them.

China won't hold anything but paper IOUs. China is being used like everyone else in the world is being used. China NEEDS from without and as long as that condition exists...we own China. Just like we own Japan. Japan is another big Asian sucker...taking our paper IOUs...because they had no choice after the war.

It's all a paper Ponzi anyway. They create "money" out of thin air...almost at will...their ONLY constraint is inflation...to keep their Ponzi going they have to keep the money inflation at a reasonable rate...that's where all their schemes come in...petrodollars...world reserve currency..."managing" interest rates. Banking is literally free money...but you can't print too much...too fast.


Do you do anything except burden everyone else with your complaints?

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[Bog99]

Hilarious that the Alabama idiot got beat by a Democrat. And Alabama is about the Reddest state you can find!

As for term limits - do you honestly think any Congressman is going to vote to cut their job? Get real!



i.e. you're a self-serving big-government Femo-Fascist opposed to Repealing the 17th amendment, correct?

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[Bog99]

What have Democrats done for hard working Americans ?

• The Democratic Party has a long and cherished history of trying to do the most good for the greatest number of people.
• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act, Motor Voter
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)


Do you have ANY understanding of the meaning of Liberty and the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 law ?


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-political-talk-88/structure-politics-type-1-vs-type-2-laws-248949/index2.html



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[Bog99]

If a constitutional convention is held, then no congressman has any say or vote in any proposed amendment.

I have no expectation that term limits would ever happen, it is merely an exercise in how the country might be improved.

Does the argument for Repealing the 17th Amendment make any impression on you?


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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It took Democrats and other progressives more than a century to create a strong, stable middle class in this country through labor unions, progressive taxation, tough regulation of business, a commitment to civil rights, legal rights, and human rights, and a comprehensive safety net.

It has taken Republicans less than half a century to destroy all those things, doubling down in recent years, using their massive dark money power to destroy public unions and labor rights, shred regulations, eliminate the progressive tax code in favor of an endless cornucopia of goodies for the super-rich as they transfer public money into private pockets, and now, finally---the little creep Paul Ryan's most cherished dream----a frontal assault on the safety net, including Social Security and Medicare.

Republican voters need to understand what they're voting for--that "Golden Past" when America was "great." There was no significant middle class in America before the reforms of the early 20th century. There was just a handful of rich people, and a whole wretched, scared, powerless lot of poor folks working their tails off for lousy wages and begging for crumbs. There was a lot of starvation, bank failures, and wretched, miserable, unrelieved poverty.

That's where the dark money Republicans plan to take us again---and will take us, if Americans don't stand up and fight back.

Over the past 50 years to which you refer, Democrats have held the presidency 22 yrs and Republicans 28. Over that same time, Democrats have held a majority in the House for 30 years and in the Senate for 30 years.

How is it that either party is to blame or are given credit for whatever has happened in this country?

[Don Baldwin]

A) Repealing the 17th is a simple concept that just takes a few $million in marketing to get the cause/effect concepts across.

B) Term Limits: go for it. I purposely avoid it for tactical reasons: it points too directly at the political class and its perqs. Republican apparatchiks will pay lip service to it and do nothing. If not Constitutional, the "mere laws" will be bi-partisan overturned at earliest convenience, as Bloomberg did, as was done in, I think, Idaho.

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You WILL NOT get the votes. Minorities and women are the ones protected by the "type 2 laws" you rally against. THEY ARE the new MAJORITY. White men are 25% of the population and we're the ONLY ones who would vote for repeal. You don't have the numbers. You SHOULD have done this in the 1960s BEFORE LBJ f@cked the country over for votes.

Another post from the all-problem/no-solution crank.

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No Bog...the inconvenient truths that foil your fantasy.

There is ONLY one SOLUTION. A white majority again. EVERYTHING else is moot. There are NO formerly "white" countries that are still successful as a minority majority. America has ALREADY dropped from #1 to #25...and it WILL drop farther.

ALL these type 2 laws that you hate came/come about because "they"...the women and minorities are gaining in numbers and THEY are the ones passing all these type 2 laws you hate. You are already outnumbered. You CAN'T win.

Do you do anything except burden everyone else with your complaints?

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I tell you what MUST be done. America MUST turn white again. the 100 million Hispanics that shouldn't be here because their parents were here illegally...MUST be sent packing. That IS the ONLY thing that WILL save "America" and white culture. We ARE being bred out. It's how a bacteria kills...how viruses kill...how countries are lost...they multiply until we can't control them any more and they end up destroying the host.

We've lost cities to a minority majority...we've lost states to a minority majority...the country is next. And there's ONLY one way to stop it. "Ethnic cleansing"...remove the invaders...or America IS lost...becoming Mexico II.

Yes Bog...just like your mother "whined"...your wife "whined"...I have to "whine" to get you to wake up and fight for the ONLY thing that CAN save America...removal of the illegals AND their spawn.

Hispanics are ALREADY the majority of children being born...they have been for the last 8 years. They are the growing majority. Hispanics WILL BE the absolute majority in 30 years. THAT is what MUST be stopped or we become Mexico II...and you'll NEVER get the 17th repealed. There will be MORE type 2 laws passed.

[Bog99]

You WILL NOT get the votes. Minorities and women are the ones protected by the "type 2 laws" you rally against. THEY ARE the new MAJORITY. White men are 25% of the population and we're the ONLY ones who would vote for repeal. You don't have the numbers. You SHOULD have done this in the 1960s BEFORE LBJ f@cked the country over for votes.



No Bog...the inconvenient truths that foil your fantasy.

There is ONLY one SOLUTION. A white majority again. EVERYTHING else is moot. There are NO formerly "white" countries that are still successful as a minority majority. America has ALREADY dropped from #1 to #25...and it WILL drop farther.

ALL these type 2 laws that you hate came/come about because "they"...the women and minorities are gaining in numbers and THEY are the ones passing all these type 2 laws you hate. You are already outnumbered. You CAN'T win.



I tell you what MUST be done. America MUST turn white again. the 100 million Hispanics that shouldn't be here because their parents were here illegally...MUST be sent packing. That IS the ONLY thing that WILL save "America" and white culture. We ARE being bred out. It's how a bacteria kills...how viruses kill...how countries are lost...they multiply until we can't control them any more and they end up destroying the host.

We've lost cities to a minority majority...we've lost states to a minority majority...the country is next. And there's ONLY one way to stop it. "Ethnic cleansing"...remove the invaders...or America IS lost...becoming Mexico II.

Yes Bog...just like your mother "whined"...your wife "whined"...I have to "whine" to get you to wake up and fight for the ONLY thing that CAN save America...removal of the illegals AND their spawn.

Hispanics are ALREADY the majority of children being born...they have been for the last 8 years. They are the growing majority. Hispanics WILL BE the absolute majority in 30 years. THAT is what MUST be stopped or we become Mexico II...and you'll NEVER get the 17th repealed. There will be MORE type 2 laws passed.

Crank.

[Bog99]

Over the past 50 years to which you refer, Democrats have held the presidency 22 yrs and Republicans 28. Over that same time, Democrats have held a majority in the House for 30 years and in the Senate for 30 years.

How is it that either party is to blame or are given credit for whatever has happened in this country?

Femo-Fascist Type 2 laws are to blame, and Republicans are too stupid to figure that out. That's why Donald Trump was elected over the worthless Republican establishment.

[Don Baldwin]

Crank.

Do you realize the irony when you do that?

You have become THEM. That's what THEY do Bog...you're attacking the messenger and NOT the FACT that America is well on it's way to 80% minority and only 20% white and the effect it WILL have on the country.

Lets talk about that Bog...lets talk about the OTHER cases where a "white" country became a black/brown majority country.

How do you think you're going to get the votes you need when the majority benefit from the status quo?

You DO realize that each state WILL hold it's own vote on whether to abolish the 17th? What do you think the chances are of it going your way when many states are already a minority majority? Plus...you have the women. They WANT to choose their Senator. They DON'T want others doing it for them. They'll abolish the electoral college BEFORE taking out the 17th.

[Wiotte]

Disgusting.





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Explain what is disgusting about this post.


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[Sandtrap328]

Friggin' idiots.

[Chi-Town]

The killer B's

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[Ron_Ski]

Does the argument for Repealing the 17th Amendment make any impression on you?


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Absolutely. Repealing the 17th would be preferred.

I'm only making the observation that if you ask someone on the street if the 17th should be repealed, you'll most likely get a blank stare.
If you ask that same person if there should be term limits for congress, you will most likely get a resounding yes.
In fact, recent polls show over 70% of the population favor term limits.

I was only pointing out that there is less heavy lifting in getting term limits.

Repealing the 16th wouldn't be a bad idea either. The federal gov't should only get its funds from the states,
much like the UN only gets its funding from member nations.
Could you imagine if the UN could tax US citizens directly?

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Guest]What have Democrats done for hard working Americans ?

they carpetbag for votes to fill their pockets, throw bone to keep you in LaLa land

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[Kenswing]

Three bumps today alone, Bog.. Are you really that starved for attention?

[Bog99]

Three bumps today alone, Bog.. Are you really that starved for attention?

Another messenger-not-the-message post (from most likely from a shallow, no-principles, coffee klatch parlor-plutocrat Femo-Fascist) .

[Kenswing]

Another messenger-not-the-message post (from most likely from a shallow, no-principles, coffee klatch parlor-plutocrat Femo-Fascist) .
Just another name calling idiot..

Why do you keep posting crap nobody reads? If someone reads one of your posts they've read them all..

[Bog99]

Just another name calling idiot..

Why do you keep posting crap nobody reads? If someone reads one of your posts they've read them all..




I wish that were true

Liberty is indeed a simple concept.

It is insultingly simple to the arrogant, conceited Kool-Aid drinking parlor plutocrats of Femo-fascism --- it takes all the excitement and self-regard out of their pontifications.




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