Donald Trump Didn’t Want to Be President

[wjboyer1]

Michael Wolff’s ‘Fire and Fury’: Inside Trump’s White House (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1)

[Bog99]

Probably made up horse sh*t.

[doughete]

Probably made up horse sh*t.

Whether true or not and whether you like the guy or not,the sad thing is all of it is plausible.

[Bog99]

Whether true or not and whether you like the guy or not,the sad thing is all of it is plausible.

"Sad"?

Sad to whom? A stuck-up mirror-gazing elitist such as yourself? A Femo-Fascist cultivating his sense of superiority?

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[Taltarzac725]

Whether true or not and whether you like the guy or not,the sad thing is all of it is plausible.

Very plausible. It all seemed like a publicity stunt to me for Trump's leap into media of some kind. This man does play the long game.

[dirtbanker]

Michael Wolff’s ‘Fire and Fury’: Inside Trump’s White House (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1)Evidently Crooked Hillary did want to be President, but not enough voters felt the same...

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[Lottoguy]

Hillary I'm sure has many skeletons in her closet and is hardly a saint. BUT, wait till the world hears about the exploits of money laundering that Donald Trump is involved in. Felix Sater has still not been mentioned much in the news. Trump's tax returns will soon be public and the world will then know what his true net worth is. It will all come into focus then. People will connect the dots and see how someone who declared six bankruptcies in such a short time is not worth nearly the money he has bragged about. Trump is nothing more then a carnival barker/used car salesman. The "believe me" and the "trust me" repeats for so long will finally hit home.

[jebartle]

Evidently Crooked Hillary did want to be President, but not enough voters felt the same...

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three million more than dumpy

[Kenswing]

three million more than dumpy
I'm not a big Trump fan but he won. That's why we have an electoral college, so large states like California and New York can't decide an election on their own.

[wjboyer1]

I'm not a big Trump fan but he won. That's why we have an electoral college, so large states like California and New York can't decide an election on their own.

Read why the electoral college was formed.....please stop with your ignorant reasons....

Why the Electoral College (http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html)

[Abby10]

I'm not a big Trump fan but he won. That's why we have an electoral college, so large states like California and New York can't decide an election on their own.

Read why the electoral college was formed.....please stop with your ignorant reasons....

Why the Electoral College (http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html)

Sounds like different wording, same premise to me. Care to elaborate, boyer?

[dirtbanker]

three million more than dumpy

AND she still lost!

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[wjboyer1]

Sounds like different wording, same premise to me. Care to elaborate, boyer?

you evidently did not read the link to educate you on the purpose of the electoral college, hence your ignorance of its presence.

[dirtbanker]

you evidently did not read the link to educate you on the purpose of the electoral college, hence your ignorance of its presence.
And you read it to say something it was not created for...

[Abby10]

you evidently did not read the link to educate you on the purpose of the electoral college, hence your ignorance of its presence.

Actually, yes I did, that's why I asked you to elaborate because your comment made no sense! But if all you can do is call people names, post links with no ability to comment, and post cartoon pictures, I guess I will have to accept that's all you are capable of.

[Abby10]

Actually, yes I did, that's why I asked you to elaborate because your comment made no sense! But if all you can do is call people names, post links with no ability to comment, and post cartoon pictures, I guess I will have to accept that's all you are capable of.

Excuse me, I said you commented but actually you retorted not commented.

[wjboyer1]

Actually, yes I did, that's why I asked you to elaborate because your comment made no sense! But if all you can do is call people names, post links with no ability to comment, and post cartoon pictures, I guess I will have to accept that's all you are capable of.

I did not call you any names.

The historic presence of the electoral college was NOT what YOU claimed it to be.....there was NO California at the time of its inception, and the population of New York was similar to the rest of the newly formed states.

Ignorance of the facts is a fault of many here.....including you

[Topspinmo]

I did not call you any names.

The historic presence of the electoral college was NOT what YOU claimed it to be.....there was NO California at the time of its inception, and the population of New York was similar to the rest of the newly formed states.

Ignorance of the facts is a fault of many here.....including you

He was using callfukingforina as example. Now that caladukingdorina is sanctuary state, IMO they shouldn't be allowed to vote in national elections cause they are extension of Mexico ALL FOR CHEAP DAY LABOR (where they can get out of paying taxes), with no way to validate legal citzens when they pass out driver's license with voter registration cards. A state that outright does not enforce laws of union should be kicked out of the union IMO. Plus all caladufkingforinas should not have to have passport to cross state lines and Mexico should alow free travel for calafkingforinians.

[dirtbanker]

ALL FOR CHEAP DAY LABOR (where they can get out of paying taxes)

Oh please tell me your kidding... the liberals want to help...but here is another example of hoe they hold people back in life.

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[Don Baldwin]

Oh please tell me your kidding... the liberals want to help...but here is another example of hoe they hold people back in life.

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Do you think he's kidding? Businesses DO get out of paying taxes when they hire illegals or legals who work under the table.

Liberals want to "help" destroy America. You ARE being invaded...you ARE being bred out. Hispanics are the majority below age 8 and every year there are more and more of them.

"Anyone but the "white man" in charge"?

Forgive them for they know not what they do...

ONLY "white" countries are successful...there's a reason for that...America is no longer a "white" country..and it shows...we've slipped from #1 in the world to present day...#25. ALL due to changing demographics and liberal policies.

[Topspinmo]

Oh please tell me your kidding... the liberals want to help...but here is another example of hoe they hold people back in life.

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I guess you ready don't know how roofing, landscaping, and sub contractors operate. O I forgot thousands of illegal housekeepers that do the dirty work for fairyland. Are you really that naive to thing that it for good of the people. It's all about money from near slave labor and votes.

[Don Baldwin]

I guess you ready don't know how roofing, landscaping, and sub contractors operate. O I forgot thousands of illegal housekeepers that do the dirty work for fairyland. Are you really that naive to thing that it for good of the people. It's all about money from near slave labor and votes.

There will always be "slaves"...some are just treated better than others.

[wjboyer1]

He was using callfukingforina as example. Now that caladukingdorina is sanctuary state, IMO they shouldn't be allowed to vote in national elections cause they are extension of Mexico ALL FOR CHEAP DAY LABOR (where they can get out of paying taxes), with no way to validate legal citzens when they pass out driver's license with voter registration cards. A state that outright does not enforce laws of union should be kicked out of the union IMO. Plus all caladufkingforinas should not have to have passport to cross state lines and Mexico should alow free travel for calafkingforinians.

got proof? let's see it.....

no proof? get back under the rock you crawled out from

[Don Baldwin]

got proof? let's see it.....

no proof? get back under the rock you crawled out from

"On October 28, 2015, Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill into law that automatically registers all holders of a driver's license as a registered voter for all California ballots, including federal elections. Opponents expressed concern this could offer suffrage rights to non-citizen residents, since a January 2015 legislation decreed the right of a driver's license to non-citizens."

[jebartle]

Michael Wolff’s ‘Fire and Fury’: Inside Trump’s White House (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1)

Would have saved us all a lot of aggravation!

[Abby10]

Would have saved us all a lot of aggravation!

This book may be a bestseller at the moment but give it time and it will drop like a bomb. You do know how inept this author is based on the other books he has written, right? Check out some of the editorial reviews, or just listen to him speak - the guy wouldn't know, or maybe just doesn't care, what the difference is between the truth or a lie. He just enjoys making lots of money off of what boyer calls ignorant people.

[Allegiance]

This book may be a bestseller at the moment but give it time and it will drop like a bomb. You do know how inept this author is based on the other books he has written, right? Check out some of the editorial reviews, or just listen to him speak - the guy wouldn't know, or maybe just doesn't care, what the difference is between the truth or a lie. He just enjoys making lots of money off of what boyer calls ignorant people.Judge a man by his teeth. Lol

[Rockyrd]

This book may be a bestseller at the moment but give it time and it will drop like a bomb. You do know how inept this author is based on the other books he has written, right? Check out some of the editorial reviews, or just listen to him speak - the guy wouldn't know, or maybe just doesn't care, what the difference is between the truth or a lie. He just enjoys making lots of money off of what boyer calls ignorant people.

You are sort of correct on his reputation, however, knowledge people are commenting, and Trump's inane comments about the book in many cases are worse than the book itself.

I said on this forum that Trump would lie himself into a corner. Who in the world is going to believe a proven patholigal liar.

This is from Trump biographer....

"
Trump often fails to deal with the subject at hand, preferring to tell and retell anecdotes and stories that sound rehearsed. (He did this with me, many times.)

Trump is bored by briefings and uninterested in details. (He has long shown this trait.)

Trump demands extreme personal loyalty. (Also a Trump hallmark.)

Trump's leadership has created a battle royale environment with White House factions in constant conflict. (Consider the news of the past year.)

Trump believes "expertise" is "overrated." (He has said so to me.)
Sadly, Wolff's reporting on the disparaging things the President says about women and his effort to understand the appeal of white supremacy also seem true to the man."

Trump biographer: Much of what Michael Wolff says about Trump rings true (Opinion) - CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/opinions/much-of-wolffs-trump-book-rings-true-opinion-dantonio/index.html)

This is Donald Trump. I, and not just me has posted much worse about this man and his lying and being a patholigal liar will not help him as he tries to defend himself.

Let me tell you Abby....this book WILL "drop", but I have studied Trump for a long time....this is not the first book about him like this, simply the first as President.

There will be more to take its place.

This is a terrible man, and you can defend him all you want, but he may be the most dispicable man in the public venue we have ever seen.

The rest of the story...the women, the cheating, the money laundering, and of course the deception will all come out.

[Abby10]

You are sort of correct on his reputation, however, knowledge people are commenting, and Trump's inane comments about the book in many cases are worse than the book itself.

I said on this forum that Trump would lie himself into a corner. Who in the world is going to believe a proven patholigal liar.

This is from Trump biographer....

"
Trump often fails to deal with the subject at hand, preferring to tell and retell anecdotes and stories that sound rehearsed. (He did this with me, many times.)

Trump is bored by briefings and uninterested in details. (He has long shown this trait.)

Trump demands extreme personal loyalty. (Also a Trump hallmark.)

Trump's leadership has created a battle royale environment with White House factions in constant conflict. (Consider the news of the past year.)

Trump believes "expertise" is "overrated." (He has said so to me.)
Sadly, Wolff's reporting on the disparaging things the President says about women and his effort to understand the appeal of white supremacy also seem true to the man."

Trump biographer: Much of what Michael Wolff says about Trump rings true (Opinion) - CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/opinions/much-of-wolffs-trump-book-rings-true-opinion-dantonio/index.html)

This is Donald Trump. I, and not just me has posted much worse about this man and his lying and being a patholigal liar will not help him as he tries to defend himself.

Let me tell you Abby....this book WILL "drop", but I have studied Trump for a long time....this is not the first book about him like this, simply the first as President.

There will be more to take its place.

This is a terrible man, and you can defend him all you want, but he may be the most dispicable man in the public venue we have ever seen.

The rest of the story...the women, the cheating, the money laundering, and of course the deception will all come out.

I understand what you are saying. I am really not trying to defend Trump who I agree has his flaws to say the least. My point was merely if you want to get at the truth this is the most despicable way in my book (no pun intended). I just hate wasting my time reading a book and basing my assumption about someone, only to find out later most of it was lies. Talk about messing with your head. I don't do as much reading as I would like these days so am even more selective about what I'll read and will often research the authors first. It's just a shame that people will read and fill their heads with other's observations and opinions just because it might suit their own agenda. That's probably the biggest reason why we have so much division today, most people don't want to think for themselves.

[Rockyrd]

I understand what you are saying. I am really not trying to defend Trump who I agree has his flaws to say the least. My point was merely if you want to get at the truth this is the most despicable way in my book (no pun intended). I just hate wasting my time reading a book and basing my assumption about someone, only to find out later most of it was lies. Talk about messing with your head. I don't do as much reading as I would like these days so am even more selective about what I'll read and will often research the authors first. It's just a shame that people will read and fill their heads with other's observations and opinions just because it might suit their own agenda. That's probably the biggest reason why we have so much division today, most people don't want to think for themselves.

Not being a wise guy, Abby, but is it not much much more frustrating AND DANGEROUS to be lied to by the President of the United States ?

I cannot understand how you can even venture into any name calling when you accept WITH NO QUESTION, the felonious accusations, AS PRESIDENT... the personal lies, AS PRESIDENT..the policy lies, AS PRESIDENT.

It boggles my mind why the entire nation is not calling for him to be gone, why the GOP publicly will support, etc.

This is a dangerous slope we are on.

But, as I said...that is the beauty of the free press, which you oppose, and there will be more books.

Wish there was a way to measure how much of the loyalty that you and others give this terrible person is based more on sheer hate for others (blacks, democrats, Clinton's, OBama) than adoring this person.

If I am correct that much of it is based on hate, comes a day that you should step up for your country. Trump never has, in his life.

[Rockyrd]

I understand what you are saying. I am really not trying to defend Trump who I agree has his flaws to say the least. My point was merely if you want to get at the truth this is the most despicable way in my book (no pun intended). I just hate wasting my time reading a book and basing my assumption about someone, only to find out later most of it was lies. Talk about messing with your head. I don't do as much reading as I would like these days so am even more selective about what I'll read and will often research the authors first. It's just a shame that people will read and fill their heads with other's observations and opinions just because it might suit their own agenda. That's probably the biggest reason why we have so much division today, most people don't want to think for themselves.

Also, have you read what his other co authors and biographers have said about him ?

Pretty much the same as in this book, but not with the obvious dangerous consequences.

You act as if this is new and just came to light...THIS IS HIS LIFE..IN TOTAL, but now in the White House.

I am actually shocked at those who find any of this a surprise.

[Abby10]

Not being a wise guy, Abby, but is it not much much more frustrating AND DANGEROUS to be lied to by the President of the United States ?

I cannot understand how you can even venture into any name calling when you accept WITH NO QUESTION, the felonious accusations, AS PRESIDENT... the personal lies, AS PRESIDENT..the policy lies, AS PRESIDENT.

It boggles my mind why the entire nation is not calling for him to be gone, why the GOP publicly will support, etc.

This is a dangerous slope we are on.

But, as I said...that is the beauty of the free press, which you oppose, and there will be more books.

Wish there was a way to measure how much of the loyalty that you and others give this terrible person is based more on sheer hate for others (blacks, democrats, Clinton's, OBama) than adoring this person.

If I am correct that much of it is based on hate, comes a day that you should step up for your country. Trump never has, in his life.

I'm sure we've gone around in circles about this before, and we've probably never even ended up agreeing to disagree, but we have at least always been civil to each other which is a step up from most on here, right?

All I can say is, if I can see even an ounce of goodness in a person that can go a long way for me. I find I can do that with almost anyone. There are few people, if any, that I can actually say I loathe. As much bad stuff that I've heard about Trump, I've also heard good, and the difference between the 2 is the good I've heard often comes directly from the horse's mouth. What I mean by that is people who have spoken up to tell how Trump the man, not the President, has helped them and often times it is in their darkest moments. Why don't we hear more about these incidences? Well, you certainly won't hear it from the MSM and it appears that it is one thing that Trump doesn't brag about. I find that intriguing and maybe even telling about a certain aspect of his character that I like.

I don't know how else to explain to you why I can not get on the bandwagon to hate Trump, so I guess this will have to do. As far as the things he has done and is trying to do for the country, I'm just not all that unhappy about them.

One other thing I can say is that having been extremely unhappy with politics in general and the goings on in Washington for quite some time now (both Repub and Dem), I am pleased to see someone unafraid to upset the apple cart so to speak. It may not be exactly the way I would have liked it to go down, but it is being done. Honestly, I do think it had to be someone this brash and bold to do it. It has certainly aligned a lot of Democrats and Republicans in my family, but maybe it's because none of us are that extreme in our ways and beliefs, well maybe except 1 or 2.

[Rockyrd]

I'm sure we've gone around in circles about this before, and we've probably never even ended up agreeing to disagree, but we have at least always been civil to each other which is a step up from most on here, right?

All I can say is, if I can see even an ounce of goodness in a person that can go a long way for me. I find I can do that with almost anyone. There are few people, if any, that I can actually say I loathe. As much bad stuff that I've heard about Trump, I've also heard good, and the difference between the 2 is the good I've heard often comes directly from the horse's mouth. What I mean by that is people who have spoken up to tell how Trump the man, not the President, has helped them and often times it is in their darkest moments. Why don't we hear more about these incidences? Well, you certainly won't hear it from the MSM and it appears that it is one thing that Trump doesn't brag about. I find that intriguing and maybe even telling about a certain aspect of his character that I like.

I don't know how else to explain to you why I can not get on the bandwagon to hate Trump, so I guess this will have to do. As far as the things he has done and is trying to do for the country, I'm just not all that unhappy about them.

One other thing I can say is that having been extremely unhappy with politics in general and the goings on in Washington for quite some time now (both Repub and Dem), I am pleased to see someone unafraid to upset the apple cart so to speak. It may not be exactly the way I would have liked it to go down, but it is being done. Honestly, I do think it had to be someone this brash and bold to do it. It has certainly aligned a lot of Democrats and Republicans in my family, but maybe it's because none of us are that extreme in our ways and beliefs, well maybe except 1 or 2.

Not in any order, and without much discussion because yes, you are civil....

First, please google this "Hitler goodness" and you will find multiple pages of folks attesting to his goodness in person.

Second, I ask you for one example of the MSM ever lying about anything, and if a mistake it corrected and steps taken. The consequences for journalists who lie in REPORTING NEWS is severe. The MSM does NOT lie in the news. They report what our President says and does with 100% of accuracy. Having a fragile while massive ego and thus unable to handle ANYONE who disagrees is a quality not wanted ina leader if a nation.

By the way, your statement about "not hearing anything good" is 100% false, and even historically this is how it is. Why should Trump get any more favorable news about his personal life, which should be taboo. I, again, ask to you to do just a bit of reading from folks who know him, and owe him nothing.

Last thing...I hope I am wrong but I said it on here a year ago. His self serving words and behavior, along with phoney and felonious accusations could foretell the downfall of the GOP. With all his accusations and attacks on our country's hard working justice dept employees, and his attempt to tarnish them oersonally and professionally, he has done such serious damage to our country. Keep in mind...all those folks he has said are in the "other universe" working for the Obama's and Clinton's to harm him......TALLY UP EVERY SINGLE PENNY THEY MAY HAVE DONATED TO DEMOCRATS...ADD THAT ALL TOGETHER...

IT DOES NOT GET CLOSE TO WHAT TRUMP HIMSELF HAS FIVEN JUST TO TGE CLINTONS AND THE DEMOCRATS.

Then Google "Trump ethics" and read about how he is personally making money..personally.

Nuff said...except, you are not alone in being disappointed in politics, but that is not an excuse to allow our government be used as a punching bag for ONE SINGLE MAN, who in his entire life has done NOTHING for our country.

[jebartle]

Not being a wise guy, Abby, but is it not much much more frustrating AND DANGEROUS to be lied to by the President of the United States ?

I cannot understand how you can even venture into any name calling when you accept WITH NO QUESTION, the felonious accusations, AS PRESIDENT... the personal lies, AS PRESIDENT..the policy lies, AS PRESIDENT.

It boggles my mind why the entire nation is not calling for him to be gone, why the GOP publicly will support, etc.

This is a dangerous slope we are on.

But, as I said...that is the beauty of the free press, which you oppose, and there will be more books.


Wish there was a way to measure how much of the loyalty that you and others give this terrible person is based more on sheer hate for others (blacks, democrats, Clinton's, OBama) than adoring this person.

If I am correct that much of it is based on hate, comes a day that you should step up for your country. Trump never has, in his life.


:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[jebartle]

Not in any order, and without much discussion because yes, you are civil....

First, please google this "Hitler goodness" and you will find multiple pages of folks attesting to his goodness in person.

Second, I ask you for one example of the MSM ever lying about anything, and if a mistake it corrected and steps taken. The consequences for journalists who lie in REPORTING NEWS is severe. The MSM does NOT lie in the news. They report what our President says and does with 100% of accuracy. Having a fragile while massive ego and thus unable to handle ANYONE who disagrees is a quality not wanted ina leader if a nation.

By the way, your statement about "not hearing anything good" is 100% false, and even historically this is how it is. Why should Trump get any more favorable news about his personal life, which should be taboo. I, again, ask to you to do just a bit of reading from folks who know him, and owe him nothing.

Last thing...I hope I am wrong but I said it on here a year ago. His self serving words and behavior, along with phoney and felonious accusations could foretell the downfall of the GOP. With all his accusations and attacks on our country's hard working justice dept employees, and his attempt to tarnish them oersonally and professionally, he has done such serious damage to our country. Keep in mind...all those folks he has said are in the "other universe" working for the Obama's and Clinton's to harm him......TALLY UP EVERY SINGLE PENNY THEY MAY HAVE DONATED TO DEMOCRATS...ADD THAT ALL TOGETHER...

IT DOES NOT GET CLOSE TO WHAT TRUMP HIMSELF HAS FIVEN JUST TO TGE CLINTONS AND THE DEMOCRATS.

Then Google "Trump ethics" and read about how he is personally making money..personally.

Nuff said...except, you are not alone in being disappointed in politics, but that is not an excuse to allow our government be used as a punching bag for ONE SINGLE MAN, who in his entire life has done NOTHING for our country.

I could not have said it better. He is an embarrassment to this nation and now the world knows!!!!!!

[Abby10]

Not in any order, and without much discussion because yes, you are civil....

First, please google this "Hitler goodness" and you will find multiple pages of folks attesting to his goodness in person.

Second, I ask you for one example of the MSM ever lying about anything, and if a mistake it corrected and steps taken. The consequences for journalists who lie in REPORTING NEWS is severe. The MSM does NOT lie in the news. They report what our President says and does with 100% of accuracy. Having a fragile while massive ego and thus unable to handle ANYONE who disagrees is a quality not wanted ina leader if a nation.

By the way, your statement about "not hearing anything good" is 100% false, and even historically this is how it is. Why should Trump get any more favorable news about his personal life, which should be taboo. I, again, ask to you to do just a bit of reading from folks who know him, and owe him nothing.

Last thing...I hope I am wrong but I said it on here a year ago. His self serving words and behavior, along with phoney and felonious accusations could foretell the downfall of the GOP. With all his accusations and attacks on our country's hard working justice dept employees, and his attempt to tarnish them oersonally and professionally, he has done such serious damage to our country. Keep in mind...all those folks he has said are in the "other universe" working for the Obama's and Clinton's to harm him......TALLY UP EVERY SINGLE PENNY THEY MAY HAVE DONATED TO DEMOCRATS...ADD THAT ALL TOGETHER...

IT DOES NOT GET CLOSE TO WHAT TRUMP HIMSELF HAS FIVEN JUST TO TGE CLINTONS AND THE DEMOCRATS.

Then Google "Trump ethics" and read about how he is personally making money..personally.

Nuff said...except, you are not alone in being disappointed in politics, but that is not an excuse to allow our government be used as a punching bag for ONE SINGLE MAN, who in his entire life has done NOTHING for our country.

Due to the fact that my time at the moment is short, I will briefly address just the 2 things above in bold and look into the others you suggested.

About the MSM - one can call them lies, one can call them omissions, one can call it biased reporting, but the news today looks nothing like the news I grew up with and I'm probably a good bit younger than some of you. There are indeed a few news programs that stick strictly to reporting, but very few. There have been outright lies told (one recently escapes me and it shouldn't because it was serious and the guy should have been fired) and yes, they may be retracted but not outwardly and openly. The news story in error often appears as front page news and the retraction appears some days later in an obscure place in the newspaper - same thing with televised news.

There is no doubt that Trump has been given a raw deal by the press since the get go. The amount of unfavorable press vs favorable has been astounding and that is no secret. There have been few if any Presidents who have been treated and talked about as disrespectfully by the press. So amidst the worst of circumstances, he continues to plow through. That's how I see it.

Because you do not want to see any good in this man at all, it seems you seek out all the dirt. In some respects when you think about it, it's kind of like the newscasters whose distaste and bias are so evident in their reporting. It seems they do the same thing, rarely if ever reporting anything good Trump has done. Since you have recommended I research a few things, I suggest that you take the time to simply google Tara Conner and Lynne Patton, 2 people who obviously think Trump has a heart.

I'm just going to say once again, my tendency is to look for the good, even in people I don't particularly like. Maybe it's something I've learned to do in my occupation having to deal with the general public day in and day out. It makes life a lot more tolerable and in the end I'm often surprised by what I find out about people in the process, including myself. :)

[Rockyrd]

Due to the fact that my time at the moment is short, I will briefly address just the 2 things above in bold and look into the others you suggested.

About the MSM - one can call them lies, one can call them omissions, one can call it biased reporting, but the news today looks nothing like the news I grew up with and I'm probably a good bit younger than some of you. There are indeed a few news programs that stick strictly to reporting, but very few. There have been outright lies told (one recently escapes me and it shouldn't because it was serious and the guy should have been fired) and yes, they may be retracted but not outwardly and openly. The news story in error often appears as front page news and the retraction appears some days later in an obscure place in the newspaper - same thing with televised news.

There is no doubt that Trump has been given a raw deal by the press since the get go. The amount of unfavorable press vs favorable has been astounding and that is no secret. There have been few if any Presidents who have been treated and talked about as disrespectfully by the press. So amidst the worst of circumstances, he continues to plow through. That's how I see it.

Because you do not want to see any good in this man at all, it seems you seek out all the dirt. In some respects when you think about it, it's kind of like the newscasters whose distaste and bias are so evident in their reporting. It seems they do the same thing, rarely if ever reporting anything good Trump has done. Since you have recommended I research a few things, I suggest that you take the time to simply google Tara Conner and Lynne Patton, 2 people who obviously think Trump has a heart.

I'm just going to say once again, my tendency is to look for the good, even in people I don't particularly like. Maybe it's something I've learned to do in my occupation having to deal with the general public day in and day out. It makes life a lot more tolerable and in the end I'm often surprised by what I find out about people in the process, including myself. :)

Will be short...

How can the MSM be held responsible for reporting what he says or does, mostly ON TAPE, and then be accused of negative reporting ? If the NEWS about him is negative, has he no responsibility for that ?

I see no good in this man, because for example in this forum, defending Trump is not about positive things about him, BUT INSTEAD a feverish attack on someone else that he has deemed to be up for attack. Mostly, Clinton, OBama, and recently the United States FBI and all intelligence agencies of the country.

How is that offering a defense of anyone ? Nobody says he doesn't lie...they just blame the media. They ignore his constant false accusTions, or attacks on his own country.

You say he is getting a "raw deal" from the media. But cannot support what they say that is not true. Are they not to report his firing of 3 people who were all investigating him ? Are they not to report his worldwide accusation of being wire tapped by OBama ? Are they to ignore him, as President, claiming the Russian investigation is, in his words, a hoax ? Should they be silent as he attacks his own intelligence agency, while at the same time quoting flip comments from Fox and Friends as fact ? Should his malicious and untrue comments about illegal voting go un reported ? I can go on, but you will simply say he is getting a raw deal.

We have come a long way from OBama being ostracized for bowing (in custom) to another world leader to this ?

Abby, I said on this forum after the election....if this man acts morally and honest, I will support him. He has failed MISERABLY on both counts.

Makes no sense at all.

[Rockyrd]

One more thing Abby, and to me perhaps the most important.

It is one thing to have a President be unconventional.


Do the American citizens deserve to know if they are being lied to by the President ?

You suggest all those lies, in the thousands, not be reported.

How do YOU know when he is telling you the truth ?

[maureenod]

Perhaps you should talk to the hundreds of employees who were encouraged to invest their 401k in his business, and lost everything. Trump made out big with 6 bankruptcy , 41 million in 10 years. He had no remorse and made no attempt to help these low paid workers.

Then there was the course at Trump University on How to make a lot of money on disabled home owners.

Could you post a link to what he has done, after campaign promise, in your state of Pa. Did he bring back steel or coal jobs?

I must say I enjoy your civil posts, thank you.

[Rockyrd]

Perhaps you should talk to the hundreds of employees who were encouraged to invest their 401k in his business, and lost everything. Trump made out big with 6 bankruptcy , 41 million in 10 years. He had no remorse and made no attempt to help these low paid workers.

Then there was the course at Trump University on How to make a lot of money on disabled home owners.

Could you post a link to what he has done, after campaign promise, in your state of Pa. Did he bring back steel or coal jobs?

I must say I enjoy your civil posts, thank you.

Yes..kudos to Abby for responding like an adult.

Note to Abby...before you respond to the query, insure you double and triple check...you cannot believe what the WH says (see recent air safety and pollution clean up, oh, and most of the regulations he says he got rid of were gone before he did anything)

The bankruptcy in Jersey is close to home for Abby, and that should be able to research. Just google "trump mob jersey money laundering" details

[ColdNoMore]

One more thing Abby, and to me perhaps the most important.

It is one thing to have a President be unconventional.


Do the American citizens deserve to know if they are being lied to by the President ?

You suggest all those lies, in the thousands, not be reported.

How do YOU know when he is telling you the truth ?

I keep hearing his rabid supporters say that even though they know he constantly lies, has an easily bruised ego ("I'm really a very stable genius?" :oops:) and has consistently shown his misogyny/bigotry/xenophobia...they still like him because "he's not a politician and shakes things up."

My questions to them are;

1. Do you really think anarchy/chaos in our political system is a good thing?

2. Do you really believe it's no big deal, if a foreign power and our POTUS' own mental state...are the reasons for the sowing of these seeds of anarchy and chaos?


I have asked a number of avid Trump fans personally, "what would Trump have to do, for him to lose your support?"

ALMOST TO A PERSON they have said..."NOTHING, I will always support him."


Let that sink in for a moment.

I can't even fathom any patriotic person who loves their country...being able to EVER say that about ANYONE. :ohdear:


For you Abby10 - What would Trump have to do, or shown to have done, for him to lose your support and for you to advocate that he be removed from office?

[Rockyrd]

I keep hearing his rabid supporters say that even though they know he constantly lies, has an easily bruised ego ("I'm really a very stable genius?" :oops:) and has consistently shown his misogyny/bigotry/xenophobia...they still like him because "he's not a politician and shakes things up."

My questions to them are;

1. Do you really think anarchy/chaos in our political system is a good thing?

2. Do you really believe it's no big deal, if a foreign power and our POTUS' own mental state...are the reasons for the sowing of these seeds of anarchy and chaos?


I have asked a number of avid Trump fans personally, "what would Trump have to do, for him to lose your support?"

ALMOST TO A PERSON they have said..."NOTHING, I will always support him."


Let that sink in for a moment.

I can't even fathom any patriotic person who loves their country...being able to EVER say that about ANYONE. :ohdear:


For you Abby10 - What would Trump have to do, or shown to have done, for him to lose your support and for you to advocate that he be removed from office?

Good post and right on.

I have a very good friend in Pennsylvania who held office and hears a lot.

His take on what you are saying.....
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Trump has given voice to a bunch of folks who hate blacks, liberals, and anything that might threaten the white establishment. As much as they say they want to shake up the establishment, they mean make it white and insure its supremacy.
The 8 years of OBama was a threat, not because of policy, but the color of his skin.
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No quotes, just a summary of what he told me just last week when discussing some of the dangerous lies Trump is telling.

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Anyway, the thoughts of those who will,support someone who flat out can't tell the truth, and are living and breathing examples of those who do not care if he shoots someone on 5th Ave.

The attack on the media just seems to be shooting at the guys in the way.

[ColdNoMore]

Good post and right on.

I have a very good friend in Pennsylvania who held office and hears a lot.

His take on what you are saying.....
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Trump has given voice to a bunch of folks who hate blacks, liberals, and anything that might threaten the white establishment. As much as they say they want to shake up the establishment, they mean make it white and insure its supremacy.
The 8 years of OBama was a threat, not because of policy, but the color of his skin.
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No quotes, just a summary of what he told me just last week when discussing some of the dangerous lies Trump is telling.

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Anyway, the thoughts of those who will,support someone who flat out can't tell the truth, and are living and breathing examples of those who do not care if he shoots someone on 5th Ave.

The attack on the media just seems to be shooting at the guys in the way.

Exactly!

While I'm not saying that every single one of Trump's supporters fit the 'pent-up hatred of anything not white or Christian,'....I firmly believe that a vast majority of his diehard supporters DO fit that category.

And the political forum is but a microcosm...of that obvious truth. :ho:

[Don Baldwin]

Good post and right on.

I have a very good friend in Pennsylvania who held office and hears a lot.

His take on what you are saying.....
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Trump has given voice to a bunch of folks who hate blacks, liberals, and anything that might threaten the white establishment. As much as they say they want to shake up the establishment, they mean make it white and insure its supremacy.
The 8 years of OBama was a threat, not because of policy, but the color of his skin.
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No quotes, just a summary of what he told me just last week when discussing some of the dangerous lies Trump is telling.

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Anyway, the thoughts of those who will,support someone who flat out can't tell the truth, and are living and breathing examples of those who do not care if he shoots someone on 5th Ave.

The attack on the media just seems to be shooting at the guys in the way.

He's a lying politician...

America IS dying...and it's BECAUSE it has gone from 90% white to 49% white.

There are NO successful negro majority/run countries...not ONE. There are NO successful Hispanic majority/run countries...not ONE.

The top countries are white countries.

Because that's what we do...we civilize the world.

What did they do?

[dirtbanker]

Good post and right on.

I have a very good friend in Pennsylvania who held office...

Of course you like that post, it was a negative opinion of Trump...that is all you need to like a post...negative OPINION.

If your friend asked "who did you vote for and what did they promise to do for this country to earn your vote?" Would you lie to him?

Reason I ask; you lie to people that aren't your freinds...like the one where you stated this forum was being discussed on other forums!

Liar! Liar!

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[dirtbanker]

Exactly!

While I'm not saying that every single one of Trump's supporters fit the 'pent-up hatred of anything not white or Christian,'....I firmly believe that a vast majority of his diehard supporters DO fit that category.

And the political forum is but a microcosm...of that obvious truth. :ho:

Like the poster on here that inferred people who do not speak good English were undocumented immigrants?

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[dirtbanker]

Yes..kudos to Abby for responding like an adult.

Note to Abby...before you respond to the query, insure you double and triple check...you cannot believe what the WH says (see recent air safety and pollution clean up, oh, and most of the regulations he says he got rid of were gone before he did anything)

The bankruptcy in Jersey is close to home for Abby, and that should be able to research. Just google "trump mob jersey money laundering" details

Hey idiot, that was "moron" that posted that...not Abby!



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[Don Baldwin]

Exactly!

While I'm not saying that every single one of Trump's supporters fit the 'pent-up hatred of anything not white or Christian,'....I firmly believe that a vast majority of his diehard supporters DO fit that category.

And the political forum is but a microcosm...of that obvious truth. :ho:

You should have "hatred" for them...because WHITE people gave you western civilization and all the technology you use today...

What did THEY give us?

[dirtbanker]

Will be short...

We have come a long way from OBama being ostracized for bowing (in custom) to another world leader to this ?

Abby, I said on this forum after the election....if this man acts morally and honest, I will support him. He has failed MISERABLY on both counts.

Makes no sense at all.

How is 7 or 8 paragraphs short?

Now the guy who claims to have been so critical of Obamma is defending him bowing to foriegn leaders...Liar!

Nobody acts morally and honest in your opinion (seems hypocritical from you who lies on this forum)...you will never support any republicans in office...its almost like you wanted to run for office and lost, causing you to have a grudge.

After all its all about you and your opinions.

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[dirtbanker]

You should have "hatred" for them...because WHITE people gave you western civilization and all the technology you use today...

What did THEY give us?Keep working them Don. They already hate Trump based on the OPINIONS of others...they are capable of hating more people!

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[Rockyrd]

Keep working them Don. They already hate Trump based on the OPINIONS of others...they are capable of hating more people!

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Never to the issue, always at the poster. Predictable.

[dirtbanker]

Never to the issue, always at the poster. Predictable.Never respond to the questions posed...never address the lies you have told...wants me to pretend he is not hypocritical...just hate for Trump...Simply predictable.

Darn near a poem.

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[Rockyrd]

Never respond to the questions posed...never address the lies you have told...wants me to pretend he is not hypocritical...just hate for Trump...Simply predictable.

Darn near a poem.

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1. I hate nobody...ever in my life. Only thing I hate is the term HATE.

2. I do not lie. You twist it to make it appear but that is what you do in your role here, which is yet to be defined.

3. I have said, but you only read what feeds your fervent hate, that Trump can be unpredictable as much as he wants, but tell the truth. You seem to equate a poster on here to the President of the United States when it comes to truth, which is more than short sighted; just plain stupid.

4. Let me address a few things just to hope you go away....as I said before, I voted for Evan McMullin for President because I felt the main two candidates were totally unsatisfactory. I was almost a life long Republican, and was employed by the party and certain candidates for years. I have since left the party because it does not represent what I stand for any longer. I did not claim that I knew a site referencing TOTV, but alluded to friends of mine from Pennsylvania telling me they read.

Now, that should be a wrap for you. Of course that cant be true because you are capable of only one thing, and adult discussion is not one of them, as you will prove over and over as time goes on.

Try to address what is being discussed instead of venting such hate and anger. Some of us worry about the country and not one man or woman. You appear to only love Trump, although you never defend him specifically and only attack those who point things out you do not like.

[Rockyrd]

A few of the immature kids have attempted to take over the thread and hoping that the adults like Abby will continue with the conversation that had begun.

[dirtbanker]

1. I hate nobody...ever in my life. Only thing I hate is the term HATE.

2. I do not lie. You twist it to make it appear but that is what you do in your role here, which is yet to be defined.

3. I have said, but you only read what feeds your fervent hate, that Trump can be unpredictable as much as he wants, but tell the truth. You seem to equate a poster on here to the President of the United States when it comes to truth, which is more than short sighted; just plain stupid.

4. Let me address a few things just to hope you go away....as I said before, I voted for Evan McMullin for President because I felt the main two candidates were totally unsatisfactory. I was almost a life long Republican, and was employed by the party and certain candidates for years. I have since left the party because it does not represent what I stand for any longer. I did not claim that I knew a site referencing TOTV, but alluded to friends of mine from Pennsylvania telling me they read.

Now, that should be a wrap for you. Of course that cant be true because you are capable of only one thing, and adult discussion is not one of them, as you will prove over and over as time goes on.

Try to address what is being discussed instead of venting such hate and anger. Some of us worry about the country and not one man or woman. You appear to only love Trump, although you never defend him specifically and only attack those who point things out you do not like.Recording... LOL

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[Don Baldwin]

1. I hate nobody...ever in my life. Only thing I hate is the term HATE.

2. I do not lie. You twist it to make it appear but that is what you do in your role here, which is yet to be defined.

3. I have said, but you only read what feeds your fervent hate, that Trump can be unpredictable as much as he wants, but tell the truth. You seem to equate a poster on here to the President of the United States when it comes to truth, which is more than short sighted; just plain stupid.

4. Let me address a few things just to hope you go away....as I said before, I voted for Evan McMullin for President because I felt the main two candidates were totally unsatisfactory. I was almost a life long Republican, and was employed by the party and certain candidates for years. I have since left the party because it does not represent what I stand for any longer. I did not claim that I knew a site referencing TOTV, but alluded to friends of mine from Pennsylvania telling me they read.

Now, that should be a wrap for you. Of course that cant be true because you are capable of only one thing, and adult discussion is not one of them, as you will prove over and over as time goes on.

Try to address what is being discussed instead of venting such hate and anger. Some of us worry about the country and not one man or woman. You appear to only love Trump, although you never defend him specifically and only attack those who point things out you do not like.

Do you? Do you REALLY "love your country? Well then SAVE it. When it's 80% minorities it's NOT going to be any "America" any of us want.

STOP them from breeding us out...if you want to SAVE your country.

[dirtbanker]

1. I hate nobody...ever in my life. Only thing I hate is the term HATE.

2. I do not lie. You twist it to make it appear but that is what you do in your role here, which is yet to be defined.

3. I have said, but you only read what feeds your fervent hate, that Trump can be unpredictable as much as he wants, but tell the truth. You seem to equate a poster on here to the President of the United States when it comes to truth, which is more than short sighted; just plain stupid.

4. Let me address a few things just to hope you go away....as I said before, I voted for Evan McMullin for President because I felt the main two candidates were totally unsatisfactory. I was almost a life long Republican, and was employed by the party and certain candidates for years. I have since left the party because it does not represent what I stand for any longer. I did not claim that I knew a site referencing TOTV, but alluded to friends of mine from Pennsylvania telling me they read.

Now, that should be a wrap for you. Of course that cant be true because you are capable of only one thing, and adult discussion is not one of them, as you will prove over and over as time goes on.

Try to address what is being discussed instead of venting such hate and anger. Some of us worry about the country and not one man or woman. You appear to only love Trump, although you never defend him specifically and only attack those who point things out you do not like.If you don't lie... Please provide the links to the forum's that you claimed discussed this political Forum. A liar! Liar!

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[dirtbanker]

1. I hate nobody...ever in my life. Only thing I hate is the term HATE.

2. I do not lie. You twist it to make it appear but that is what you do in your role here, which is yet to be defined.

3. I have said, but you only read what feeds your fervent hate, that Trump can be unpredictable as much as he wants, but tell the truth. You seem to equate a poster on here to the President of the United States when it comes to truth, which is more than short sighted; just plain stupid.

4. Let me address a few things just to hope you go away....as I said before, I voted for Evan McMullin for President because I felt the main two candidates were totally unsatisfactory. I was almost a life long Republican, and was employed by the party and certain candidates for years. I have since left the party because it does not represent what I stand for any longer. I did not claim that I knew a site referencing TOTV, but alluded to friends of mine from Pennsylvania telling me they read.

Now, that should be a wrap for you. Of course that cant be true because you are capable of only one thing, and adult discussion is not one of them, as you will prove over and over as time goes on.

Try to address what is being discussed instead of venting such hate and anger. Some of us worry about the country and not one man or woman. You appear to only love Trump, although you never defend him specifically and only attack those who point things out you do not like.How unpatriotic is it to vote for somebody that wasn't even running for office?? How unpatriotic to vote for somebody that had no plans of betterment for this country?? How unpatriotic to snub your nose at the candidates the majority of the country put forward??

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[Rockyrd]

If you don't lie... Please provide the links to the forum's that you claimed discussed this political Forum. A liar! Liar!

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READING is not your strong point is it ? :)

[Rockyrd]

How unpatriotic is it to vote for somebody that wasn't even running for office?? How unpatriotic to vote for somebody that had no plans of betterment for this country?? How unpatriotic to snub your nose at the candidates the majority of the country put forward??

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Now see HE WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE, but of course your knowledge of current affairs is very limited.

"The 2016 presidential campaign of Evan McMullin was announced on August 8, 2016. Evan McMullin, the former chief policy director for the House Republican Conference and a former CIA operations officer, ran as an independent candidate.[3]"

Evan McMullin presidential campaign, 2016 - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_McMullin_presidential_campaign,_2016)

He was not on the Florida ballot but many others thus he was a write in for me

[Abby10]

A few of the immature kids have attempted to take over the thread and hoping that the adults like Abby will continue with the conversation that had begun.

I would love to, Rocky, but some of your "friends" on here are just as bad and actually are often the ones that derail any conversation with their nasty, totally one-sided attitudes. They care NOTHING about having a 2 way conversation any more than you think that some on the other side does. They come here to spew their hatred and that's about it. In other words, don't just blame it on those who like Trump because that would be a lie.

I will address a couple things before exiting. One is regarding Maureen's question. I can not respond to it directly because I do not know the status of the coal/steel industry. What I do know from personal experience is a little about the status of manufacturing in some parts of PA. It appears to definitely be on the rise since many of my family members and friends from NW PA who have struggled the past 10 years to get jobs are now finding opportunities dramatically increased. Stats for this for 2017 do not seem to be complete to show a true picture yet. Maybe coal/steel will follow, I don't know, but you do have to take into consideration that Trump has only been in office for a year and has been fighting a lot of battles along the way, be it self-inflicted or otherwise. Anyone else probably would have bailed from the stress by now, but that's just my opinion.

Secondly, regarding what your friend said, I say BS. In fact, I find what he said truly disgusting. Having lived in many different parts of PA throughout my lifetime, I have a lot of friends and family all over the state. Those who voted for Trump were Repubs, Dems, and Independents. NONE of them are anything like what your friend describes. If you think as your friend does, and if by posting it you are acknowledging that, then in my opinion, that makes you no better than the people you call out on here.

And that's why I'm exiting - there is no conversation here. The attacking goes both ways. Most of the people you agree with seem to enjoy either setting people up (pretty passive-aggressive, don't you think?) or name-calling as well (they just have a more discreet way of doing it, again passive-aggressive behavior). If you don't see that, you have to be blind.

[dirtbanker]

READING is not your strong point is it ? :)

So your saying you did not claim that other forums were discussing this political forum? LIAR!

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[Lottoguy]

You will soon find out that Trump is much more crooked then Hillary. Money laundering will be his downfall. Felix Sater is still to come forward with all of the ugly details.

[Lottoguy]

FALSE SAYS SNOPES ON CALIFORNIA VOTING LAWS:

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections (https://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/)

[dirtbanker]

You will soon find out that Trump is much more crooked then Hillary. Money laundering will be his downfall. Felix Sater is still to come forward with all of the ugly details.
I disagree with you, nobody could be more crooked than Crooked Hillary.

But seeing that you agree that Hillary is crooked, who did you vote for...please dont tell me you voted for a guy who could not garner enough support to have his name on the ballot, like McMullin?


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[dirtbanker]

So your saying you did not claim that other forums were discussing this political forum? LIAR!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkCrickets...old fool.

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[Don Baldwin]

FALSE SAYS SNOPES ON CALIFORNIA VOTING LAWS:

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections (https://www.snopes.com/california-motor-voter-act/)

"While it’s true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver’s license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver’s license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote."

With the license comes registration AUTOMATICALLY...unless you opt out...registration to vote in ALL elections.

But they have de facto given them that right. They're not supposed to vote...but they do. The "motor voter" DID enable illegals to vote without passing a law explicitly allowing them. It's a voting loophole.

Yes...turnout of MINORITY voters.

There it is again...they're NOT supposed to vote...but by obtaining a drivers license...they CAN vote...in ALL elections.

THIS is HOW Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump...illegals voting.

Don't forget the 50 million anchor babies who vote LEGALLY but ARE here ILLEGALLY.

They call it a lie because NO LAW SPECIFICALLY gave them the right to vote. IT DID however...give them the tools to vote if they so desired.

America is done...finished...becoming 3rd world.

Get out there people and SEE what America is becoming. It's getting ugly outside the bubble.

[Rockyrd]

I would love to, Rocky, but some of your "friends" on here are just as bad and actually are often the ones that derail any conversation with their nasty, totally one-sided attitudes. They care NOTHING about having a 2 way conversation any more than you think that some on the other side does. They come here to spew their hatred and that's about it. In other words, don't just blame it on those who like Trump because that would be a lie.

I will address a couple things before exiting. One is regarding Maureen's question. I can not respond to it directly because I do not know the status of the coal/steel industry. What I do know from personal experience is a little about the status of manufacturing in some parts of PA. It appears to definitely be on the rise since many of my family members and friends from NW PA who have struggled the past 10 years to get jobs are now finding opportunities dramatically increased. Stats for this for 2017 do not seem to be complete to show a true picture yet. Maybe coal/steel will follow, I don't know, but you do have to take into consideration that Trump has only been in office for a year and has been fighting a lot of battles along the way, be it self-inflicted or otherwise. Anyone else probably would have bailed from the stress by now, but that's just my opinion.

Secondly, regarding what your friend said, I say BS. In fact, I find what he said truly disgusting. Having lived in many different parts of PA throughout my lifetime, I have a lot of friends and family all over the state. Those who voted for Trump were Repubs, Dems, and Independents. NONE of them are anything like what your friend describes. If you think as your friend does, and if by posting it you are acknowledging that, then in my opinion, that makes you no better than the people you call out on here.

And that's why I'm exiting - there is no conversation here. The attacking goes both ways. Most of the people you agree with seem to enjoy either setting people up (pretty passive-aggressive, don't you think?) or name-calling as well (they just have a more discreet way of doing it, again passive-aggressive behavior). If you don't see that, you have to be blind.

Then I suppose I will simply say I am blind since that is the way you see it.

The threat to our country is real...the threat to our government is real.

Only two things, in reality, keep us from being taken over by someone internally.....a free press and a Justice Department who operates separate.

Now what are the two things that Trump attacks almost daily...the media and the Justice Department. I never said he was dumb...quite the opposite

And hopefully you will answer the question posed to you directly in post 41 which is the question that concerns me the most. It is clear that so many have traded....and I mean traded loyalty to the United States so easily and to such a man who is polar opposite of what made this country great.

[wjboyer1]

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[Abby10]

Then I suppose I will simply say I am blind since that is the way you see it.

The threat to our country is real...the threat to our government is real.

Only two things, in reality, keep us from being taken over by someone internally.....a free press and a Justice Department who operates separate.

Now what are the two things that Trump attacks almost daily...the media and the Justice Department. I never said he was dumb...quite the opposite

And hopefully you will answer the question posed to you directly in post 41 which is the question that concerns me the most. It is clear that so many have traded....and I mean traded loyalty to the United States so easily and to such a man who is polar opposite of what made this country great.

Your response shows me you did not get the gist of my post at all, so I will just repeat, how can there be any discussion at all? There is none, there will be none, it will be the same old BS on and on and on.......

In other words, your back-up is horrible.

[Rockyrd]

Your response shows me you did not get the gist of my post at all, so I will just repeat, how can there be any discussion at all? There is none, there will be none, it will be the same old BS on and on and on.......

In other words, your back-up is horrible.

OK....I know you believe NOBODY but your hero, but for some beginning reading.....so much that can backup but you do not believe any of it. Only what a man proven to be a compulsive liar tells you. Thread on NOTHING is a good one though

LYING

Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html)

Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658)

President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000 - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/22/president-trumps-list-of-false-and-misleading-claims-tops-1000/?utm_term=.f589c72a8069)

How President Trump's Lies Are Different From Other People's | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201712/how-president-trumps-lies-are-different-other-peoples)

ATTACKS ON MEDIA

U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/world/europe/trump-press-united-nations.html)

http://thehill.com/policy/international/364877-former-british-pm-trumps-use-of-fake-news-is-dangerous

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-tweets-global-consequences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5178595/Cameron-slams-Trump-dangerous-attacks-fake-news.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/donald-trumps-fake-news-tactics

https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trumps-latest-attack-on-the-press-is-ignorant-and-wrongheaded/

ATTACKS ON JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/363291-obstruction-of-justice-watch-trump-attacks-the-fbi

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-justice-department-deep-state_us_5a4b87d8e4b06d1621bacc0a

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-0103-trump-justice-20180102-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trump-escalates-his-attacks-against-fbi-officials/549164/

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/366170-fire-mueller-pardon-suspects-attack-the-fbi-trump-treading-dangerous

https://www.today.com/video/donald-trump-attacking-the-fbi-sets-a-dangerous-precedent-analyst-says-1118053955806

When time permits, I will give you the links on money laundering, foundation scam, Trump Univ, mob ties, and just for kicks a few links to his "womanizing". Note nothing is from tge book, you won't read, and most is current although I will try to give you some background on the mob ties in Jersey and the money laundering.

Guess COLDNOMORE was on target....you folks will always and forever pledge to this person in lieu of your country.

[Byte1]

President Trump is what America needed at this period of time. Obama hose things up so bad, it takes more than another lawyer to fix things. The President is doing a great job of MAGA.

[Abby10]

OK....I know you believe NOBODY but your hero, but for some beginning reading.....so much that can backup but you do not believe any of it. Only what a man proven to be a compulsive liar tells you. Thread on NOTHING is a good one though

LYING

Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html)

Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658)

President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000 - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/22/president-trumps-list-of-false-and-misleading-claims-tops-1000/?utm_term=.f589c72a8069)

How President Trump's Lies Are Different From Other People's | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201712/how-president-trumps-lies-are-different-other-peoples)

ATTACKS ON MEDIA

U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/world/europe/trump-press-united-nations.html)

http://thehill.com/policy/international/364877-former-british-pm-trumps-use-of-fake-news-is-dangerous

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-tweets-global-consequences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5178595/Cameron-slams-Trump-dangerous-attacks-fake-news.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/donald-trumps-fake-news-tactics

https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trumps-latest-attack-on-the-press-is-ignorant-and-wrongheaded/

ATTACKS ON JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/363291-obstruction-of-justice-watch-trump-attacks-the-fbi

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-justice-department-deep-state_us_5a4b87d8e4b06d1621bacc0a

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-0103-trump-justice-20180102-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trump-escalates-his-attacks-against-fbi-officials/549164/

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/366170-fire-mueller-pardon-suspects-attack-the-fbi-trump-treading-dangerous

https://www.today.com/video/donald-trump-attacking-the-fbi-sets-a-dangerous-precedent-analyst-says-1118053955806

When time permits, I will give you the links on money laundering, foundation scam, Trump Univ, mob ties, and just for kicks a few links to his "womanizing". Note nothing is from tge book, you won't read, and most is current although I will try to give you some background on the mob ties in Jersey and the money laundering.

Guess COLDNOMORE was on target....you folks will always and forever pledge to this person in lieu of your country.

Once again, you did not get the meaning of my post AT ALL. It had NOTHING to do with back-up regarding providing links. See the statement in bold above and maybe you will better understand my previous posts.

As far as Trump goes, I know plenty about the man, although I do appreciate your links for further research. Unfortunately, you seem to want to focus only on his negatives, which I will admit there are quite a few. I, on the other hand, would prefer to wait and see what he will do, just like I did with every other President, whether I liked the man or not. Somehow you and your buddies seem to think that spending every waking hour trying to bring the President down is patriotic. Not only do I disagree, but so far I don't see where he has been convicted of anything to justify that. If in fact, it turns out that he is convicted of things unworthy of the office, then that is another matter, but until then a little discipline from the opposition can go a long way to holding this country together.

[Rockyrd]

Once again, you did not get the meaning of my post AT ALL. It had NOTHING to do with back-up regarding providing links. See the statement in bold above and maybe you will better understand my previous posts.

As far as Trump goes, I know plenty about the man, although I do appreciate your links for further research. Unfortunately, you seem to want to focus only on his negatives, which I will admit there are quite a few. I, on the other hand, would prefer to wait and see what he will do, just like I did with every other President, whether I liked the man or not. Somehow you and your buddies seem to think that spending every waking hour trying to bring the President down is patriotic. Not only do I disagree, but so far I don't see where he has been convicted of anything to justify that. If in fact, it turns out that he is convicted of things unworthy of the office, then that is another matter, but until then a little discipline from the opposition can go a long way to holding this country together.

You know as well as I that it is difficult if not impossible to indict a President. He has to be impeached.

I bet a long list of criminals wish they would get the leeway you give this man, and I assure you this changes the democracy for the worst forever.

No longer can anyone say a candidate is morally corrupt and not qualified to be President. You have taken morals out of the equation.

All rules are out.

He will not be indicted until he is impeached. And you are ok with that...while you are waiting as yo say, he has already tarnished an on the road to destroying the presidency. T has been one year...if you are waiting for truth, you will never see it from this man

[Abby10]

You know as well as I that it is difficult if not impossible to indict a President. He has to be impeached.

I bet a long list of criminals wish they would get the leeway you give this man, and I assure you this changes the democracy for the worst forever.

No longer can anyone say a candidate is morally corrupt and not qualified to be President. You have taken morals out of the equation.

All rules are out.

He will not be indicted until he is impeached. And you are ok with that...while you are waiting as yo say, he has already tarnished an on the road to destroying the presidency. T has been one year...if you are waiting for truth, you will never see it from this man

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

[Kenswing]

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

All Liberals do is Whine. When Obama was President we just sucked it up and went about our lives. Now that their guy isn't in the White House they just get all emotional.

[Taltarzac725]

OK....I know you believe NOBODY but your hero, but for some beginning reading.....so much that can backup but you do not believe any of it. Only what a man proven to be a compulsive liar tells you. Thread on NOTHING is a good one though

LYING

Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/14/opinion/sunday/trump-lies-obama-who-is-worse.html)

Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/donald-trump-lies-liar-effect-brain-214658)

President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000 - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/08/22/president-trumps-list-of-false-and-misleading-claims-tops-1000/?utm_term=.f589c72a8069)

How President Trump's Lies Are Different From Other People's | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/201712/how-president-trumps-lies-are-different-other-peoples)

ATTACKS ON MEDIA

U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/30/world/europe/trump-press-united-nations.html)

http://thehill.com/policy/international/364877-former-british-pm-trumps-use-of-fake-news-is-dangerous

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-tweets-global-consequences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5178595/Cameron-slams-Trump-dangerous-attacks-fake-news.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/donald-trumps-fake-news-tactics

https://www.thenation.com/article/donald-trumps-latest-attack-on-the-press-is-ignorant-and-wrongheaded/

ATTACKS ON JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/363291-obstruction-of-justice-watch-trump-attacks-the-fbi

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-justice-department-deep-state_us_5a4b87d8e4b06d1621bacc0a

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-0103-trump-justice-20180102-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/trump-escalates-his-attacks-against-fbi-officials/549164/

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/366170-fire-mueller-pardon-suspects-attack-the-fbi-trump-treading-dangerous

https://www.today.com/video/donald-trump-attacking-the-fbi-sets-a-dangerous-precedent-analyst-says-1118053955806

When time permits, I will give you the links on money laundering, foundation scam, Trump Univ, mob ties, and just for kicks a few links to his "womanizing". Note nothing is from tge book, you won't read, and most is current although I will try to give you some background on the mob ties in Jersey and the money laundering.

Guess COLDNOMORE was on target....you folks will always and forever pledge to this person in lieu of your country.

Nice bunch of links.

[Rockyrd]

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

I would be curiouas to who lied more, or made more knowingly false accusations, or demoralized his own FBI and intelligence agencies ?

Who even did all those things.

You think moral as in bedding women. Morals also include a touch with truth, an ability to not make phoney false accusations, an bility to not attack his own country and call them names...all done publicly in full view of the world.

Please..want hear who was even close...even in the same sphere as Trump ?...

IN ONE SINGLE YEAR

[Allegiance]

I would be curiouas to who lied more, or made more knowingly false accusations, or demoralized his own FBI and intelligence agencies ?

Who even did all those things.

You think moral as in bedding women. Morals also include a touch with truth, an ability to not make phoney false accusations, an bility to not attack his own country and call them names...all done publicly in full view of the world.

Please..want hear who was even close...even in the same sphere as Trump ?...

IN ONE SINGLE YEARIt's the economy STUPID

[ColdNoMore]

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale. :ohdear:



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response... :popcorn:


For you Abby10 - What would Trump have to do, or shown to have done, for him to lose your support and for you to advocate that he be removed from office?

[Abby10]

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale. :ohdear:



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response... :popcorn:

Time and time again, you continue to make yourself look like a fool. Stop already.

[ColdNoMore]

It's the economy STUPID

It is encouraging to see that you are publicly acknowledging how strong and robust Obama's economy is continuing. :thumbup:

Thank goodness Obama saved the markets when he took over...and even Trump hasn't been able to screw that up too. :ho:

[Abby10]

I would be curiouas to who lied more, or made more knowingly false accusations, or demoralized his own FBI and intelligence agencies ?

Who even did all those things.

You think moral as in bedding women. Morals also include a touch with truth, an ability to not make phoney false accusations, an bility to not attack his own country and call them names...all done publicly in full view of the world.

Please..want hear who was even close...even in the same sphere as Trump ?...

IN ONE SINGLE YEAR

In reality, Rocky, I think there is a lot we could discuss and do so in a respectful way. I still don't think we would be in agreement on most, but we might understand one another better and why we think as we do. Unfortunately, this forum makes it difficult to do so.

[ColdNoMore]

Time and time again, you continue to make yourself look like a fool. Stop already.

:1rotfl:


So you DID read my post #41, recognized yourself in the people I mentioned...and are purposely choosing not to answer and instead prefer to deflect.

While not quite the direct answer I was hoping for...it's confirmation enough for me (and the other intelligent folks here). :thumbup:

So thanks. :ho:

[Allegiance]

It is encouraging to see that you are publicly acknowledging how strong and robust Obama's economy is continuing. [emoji106]

Thank goodness Obama saved the markets when he took over...and even Trump hasn't been able to screw that up too. :ho:True that Obama's gift to terrorism is the gift that keeps on killing Americans long past his Presidency.

And the entire recovery of 2008 thru 2015 was due to George Bush's great policies.

[Don Baldwin]

All Liberals do is Whine. When Obama was President we just sucked it up and went about our lives. Now that their guy isn't in the White House they just get all emotional.

Women get all emotional...it's what they do. Logic and pragmatism escapes them...they have no concept of them.

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale. :ohdear:



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response... :popcorn:

Yes it IS beyond compare...Obama ensured America went over the edge...America became a minority majority under his watch...he ensured America's destruction.

True that Obama's gift to terrorism is the gift that keeps on killing Americans long past his Presidency.

And the entire recovery of 2008 thru 2015 was due to George Bush's great policies.

It was ALL "paid for" through DEBT. We didn't FIX anything...we just made the final outcome worse. We "borrowed" $10 trillion to "fix" the economy. The GOVERNMENT is the economy...without "borrowing" a $ trillion a year...it would ALL collapse.

America IS a dead man walking.

[Rockyrd]

Are you truly serious about the underlined above, or is it an attempt to deflect...what I think you know deep down inside?

Having the audacity to compare Obama to Trump in "trying to bring down America"...is beyond the pale. :ohdear:



I will also give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see this in post #41 and not that you saw it, but avoided answering so as not prove my other assertions in that post correct...so will repeat it and await your response... :popcorn:

I saw her comment and ignored because she has tried to be civil in discourse, but as we get more specific, she is no different than the rest..alt right white nationalist extremists who have put an intolerable, immoral, egoist, with zero moral character.on a lofty pedestal.

To even suggest that OBama, with whom I disagreed with on pretty much all policy, is even close to being as immoral and dishonest as Trump is simply ludicrious. I think my friend from PA was correct in his chaterization, which means Trump has started his own party of white nationalist.

To say in response to lies and false accusations...to attacks on our own country, to having people close to you indicted, to calling the USA intelligence names and an investigation into FOREIGN countries involved in our elections...

" I will have to wait to see"

Is simply bizarre.

Abby, it is impossible for me to talk in any way to someone who thinks that way.

[Rockyrd]

In reality, Rocky, I think there is a lot we could discuss and do so in a respectful way. I still don't think we would be in agreement on most, but we might understand one another better and why we think as we do. Unfortunately, this forum makes it difficult to do so.

Understand this...I was hugely Anti OBama and said so publicly on this forum before he was elected the first time, but it was because if his policy and that's it. My inclination that you and the NOTHING crowd hate him for other reasons.

Frankly, I think your attitude and that if those who plague this board, NEVER ABLE TO DEFEND TRUMP..NEVER ABLE TO MAKE ANY LEGIT POINTS ON HIS BEHALF....but to only attack other people as designated by Trump.

His demeaning of war hero's...his phoney patriotism turns my stomach.

I never much speak of the investigation on going, and never ever accused Trump of anything in that regard, but the more I learn, the more I think the worst. For you to say that you will wait until he is convicted is amazing. You are happy to have him take our country into some very dangerous spots.

[Kenswing]

I saw her comment and ignored because she has tried to be civil in discourse, but as we get more specific, she is no different than the rest..alt right white nationalist extremists who have put an intolerable, immoral, egoist, with zero moral character.on a lofty pedestal.

To even suggest that OBama, with whom I disagreed with on pretty much all policy, is even close to being as immoral and dishonest as Trump is simply ludicrious. I think my friend from PA was correct in his chaterization, which means Trump has started his own party of white nationalist.

To say in response to lies and false accusations...to attacks on our own country, to having people close to you indicted, to calling the USA intelligence names and an investigation into FOREIGN countries involved in our elections...

" I will have to wait to see"

Is simply bizarre.

Abby, it is impossible for me to talk in any way to someone who thinks that way.

Understand this...I was hugely Anti OBama and said so publicly on this forum before he was elected the first time, but it was because if his policy and that's it. My inclination that you and the NOTHING crowd hate him for other reasons.

Frankly, I think your attitude and that if those who plague this board, NEVER ABLE TO DEFEND TRUMP..NEVER ABLE TO MAKE ANY LEGIT POINTS ON HIS BEHALF....but to only attack other people as designated by Trump.

His demeaning of war hero's...his phoney patriotism turns my stomach.

I never much speak of the investigation on going, and never ever accused Trump of anything in that regard, but the more I learn, the more I think the worst. For you to say that you will wait until he is convicted is amazing. You are happy to have him take our country into some very dangerous spots.

Damn, you like to hear yourself talk..

And not wanting to talk to Abby because of her views? You're what's wrong with this country.. It's your loss Not Abby's.

[Rockyrd]

Damn, you like to hear yourself talk..

And not wanting to talk to Abby because of her views? You're what's wrong with this country.. It's your loss Not Abby's.

Tough...my country comes first.

To anyone who supports what is going on in this country, and puts Trump first.

To anyone who tolerates a President who lies, who makes serious felonious accusations, who attacks publicly with no credence the bodies of government and is so mean spirited ...well, tough if you don't like it.

You support it....you then are anti American and I do not want anything to do with you.

He is a draft dodger, who has promoted himself, racism, money laundering, philandering and lying his entire life. He is a phoney, and has never gotten close to doing one thing for this country.

If your view is to turn your back on this proven and credible threat to our country, and want to "wait". No I don't care any more because you and I are on different teams. I served my country in many ways for years, and I don't handle anti American behavior very well.

So....tough

[Kenswing]

Blah, blah, blah.. Sun up to sun down all you do is bltch.. What a miserable life..

I served 10 years in the Marine Corps. So don't go spouting off all American on me.. I never said I liked what was going on but your incessant whining is like nails on a chalkboard.

[dbussone]

Blah, blah, blah.. Sun up to sun down all you do is bltch.. What a miserable life..

I served 10 years in the Marine Corps. So don't go spouting off all American on me.. I never said I liked what was going on but your incessant whining is like nails on a chalkboard.



Thank you for your service!


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[Kenswing]

Thank you for your service!


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My pleasure.. It was fun................ mostly.. :icon_wink:

[Rockyrd]

Blah, blah, blah.. Sun up to sun down all you do is bltch.. What a miserable life..

I served 10 years in the Marine Corps. So don't go spouting off all American on me.. I never said I liked what was going on but your incessant whining is like nails on a chalkboard.

Spouting off ?

I would think an ex Marine Corp vet would welcome some of that., instead of hurling an insult.

Supporting, as you do, someone who talks a game but is quick to demean REAL HEROES is puzzling. The Marines I knew, and I knew a lot, would never tolerate a lying superior, who made false accusTions.

I spent my time in Navy...Pentagon, White House and a few "minutes" in Nam, and always respect a Marine.

I find it difficult to "kid" about my country, and to be blasé' about a lying CINC.

[Kenswing]

Spouting off ?

I would think an ex Marine Corp vet would welcome some of that., instead of hurling an insult.

Supporting, as you do, someone who talks a game but is quick to demean REAL HEROES is puzzling. The Marines I knew, and I knew a lot, would never tolerate a lying superior, who made false accusTions.

I spent my time in Navy...Pentagon, White House and a few "minutes" in Nam, and always respect a Marine.

I find it difficult to "kid" about my country, and to be blasé' about a lying CINC.
Number one.. It's Former Marine..

Again, I DON'T LIKE Trump.. Not sure how many times I need to say this before it sinks in. But to what benefit does your constant whining accomplish?

If he's impeached? Great.. Let the process work. If he's not impeached? We get a chance at someone else at the end of his term.

But for goodness sakes quit whining..

[Rockyrd]

Do not know where you were in 1968 when Trump was dodging the draft, but he found time to say this...

"Trump never knew the horrors of war, but in 1997, he laughed when telling radio host Howard Stern that avoiding sexually transmitted diseases was like his "personal Vietnam." "It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam era,” Trump said to Stern, discussing his sex life. "I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”

Many dodged the draft for sure, but this article makes a point that I try to make but fail.....and they make this opinion based on those others

"He is certainly not the first American leader to receive draft deferments....This column will afford these men no absolution for their decisions, but what makes Trump's behavior obscene is that despite having never served, he has fashioned himself as the arbiter of military courage.
It was Trump who, as a presidential candidate in July 2015, dissed Senator John McCain, a former prisoner of war for roughly five and a half years during Vietnam, by stating, "I like people who weren't captured." He publicly disrespected Khizr Muazzam Khan and Ghazala Khan, the gold-star Pakistani-American parents of Army captain Humayun Khan, who was killed in combat in 2004 and posthumously awarded a Purple Heart for his bravery. Not only did Trump attack an immigrant family who made a sacrifice for their adopted nation, but he even compared their loss to the "sacrifices" he made while becoming a real estate tycoon. To insult the family of Khan, who died at war at 27 — just two years older than Trump was when he received his 4-F classification, permanently disqualifying him from military service — by comparing it to his own business ventures is a claim only made equatable in the mind of a man with little recognition of his own internalized cowardice."

[Abby10]

I saw her comment and ignored because she has tried to be civil in discourse, but as we get more specific, she is no different than the rest..alt right white nationalist extremists who have put an intolerable, immoral, egoist, with zero moral character.on a lofty pedestal.

To even suggest that OBama, with whom I disagreed with on pretty much all policy, is even close to being as immoral and dishonest as Trump is simply ludicrious. I think my friend from PA was correct in his chaterization, which means Trump has started his own party of white nationalist.

To say in response to lies and false accusations...to attacks on our own country, to having people close to you indicted, to calling the USA intelligence names and an investigation into FOREIGN countries involved in our elections...

" I will have to wait to see"

Is simply bizarre.

Abby, it is impossible for me to talk in any way to someone who thinks that way.

Again, so many assumptions. How does one have a conversation with you if you insist on putting your words in their mouths and assume they have nothing to say because it isn't exactly what you think. I guess I thought you were different than that. What a disappointment.

Spouting off ?

I would think an ex Marine Corp vet would welcome some of that., instead of hurling an insult.

Supporting, as you do, someone who talks a game but is quick to demean REAL HEROES is puzzling. The Marines I knew, and I knew a lot, would never tolerate a lying superior, who made false accusTions.

I spent my time in Navy...Pentagon, White House and a few "minutes" in Nam, and always respect a Marine.

I find it difficult to "kid" about my country, and to be blasé' about a lying CINC.

Most people I know that have or are serving like Trump. We certainly do travel in different circles.

[Abby10]

Most people I know that have or are serving like Trump. We certainly do travel in different circles.

Except Ken......but he's a NOTHING anyway - lol

[Kenswing]

Do not know where you were in 1968 when Trump was dodging the draft, but he found time to say this...

"Trump never knew the horrors of war, but in 1997, he laughed when telling radio host Howard Stern that avoiding sexually transmitted diseases was like his "personal Vietnam." "It is a dangerous world out there. It’s scary, like Vietnam. Sort of like the Vietnam era,” Trump said to Stern, discussing his sex life. "I feel like a great and very brave soldier.”

Many dodged the draft for sure, but this article makes a point that I try to make but fail.....and they make this opinion based on those others

"He is certainly not the first American leader to receive draft deferments....This column will afford these men no absolution for their decisions, but what makes Trump's behavior obscene is that despite having never served, he has fashioned himself as the arbiter of military courage.
It was Trump who, as a presidential candidate in July 2015, dissed Senator John McCain, a former prisoner of war for roughly five and a half years during Vietnam, by stating, "I like people who weren't captured." He publicly disrespected Khizr Muazzam Khan and Ghazala Khan, the gold-star Pakistani-American parents of Army captain Humayun Khan, who was killed in combat in 2004 and posthumously awarded a Purple Heart for his bravery. Not only did Trump attack an immigrant family who made a sacrifice for their adopted nation, but he even compared their loss to the "sacrifices" he made while becoming a real estate tycoon. To insult the family of Khan, who died at war at 27 — just two years older than Trump was when he received his 4-F classification, permanently disqualifying him from military service — by comparing it to his own business ventures is a claim only made equatable in the mind of a man with little recognition of his own internalized cowardice."

I was in kindergarten.. lol

[Kenswing]

Except Ken......but he's a NOTHING anyway - lolI don't like Trump as a person but I certainly don't oppose most of his policies..

[Rockyrd]

Number one.. It's Former Marine..

Again, I DON'T LIKE Trump.. Not sure how many times I need to say this before it sinks in. But to what benefit does your constant whining accomplish?

If he's impeached? Great.. Let the process work. If he's not impeached? We get a chance at someone else at the end of his term.

But for goodness sakes quit whining..

You call it whining...your right to do that.

I just happen to know what he is doing to our country, and hearing joshing and support for him as if this were simply a re run of one of his TV shows. Hearing real hero's.....FBI, Intelligence workers, hard working civil servants debased by this man bothers me a lot.

Impeachment is years away..years, even if they found anything with the investigation. Sitting President can't be indicted, and impeachment is totally political....thus he just continues to make money on us..as he himself said.."I will still be rich"

Sorry...cannot be that blase' about what he is doing...cannot kid about it...cannot tolerate foul mouthed people coming on this forum and demeaning anyone who thinks as I do. To simply spew hate is not my thing.

And I do not hate Trump....really don't like that word, but posters on here who think they are funny in spreading such things and support what he is doing certainly make me reconsider.

[dirtbanker]

You call it whining...your right to do that.

I just happen to know what he is doing to our country, and hearing joshing and support for him as if this were simply a re run of one of his TV shows. Hearing real hero's.....FBI, Intelligence workers, hard working civil servants debased by this man bothers me a lot.

Impeachment is years away..years, even if they found anything with the investigation. Sitting President can't be indicted, and impeachment is totally political....thus he just continues to make money on us..as he himself said.."I will still be rich"

Sorry...cannot be that blase' about what he is doing...cannot kid about it...cannot tolerate foul mouthed people coming on this forum and demeaning anyone who thinks as I do. To simply spew hate is not my thing.

And I do not hate Trump....really don't like that word, but posters on here who think they are funny in spreading such things and support what he is doing certainly make me reconsider.

You are a fvcking liar. You got nothing positive to say about any of Trumps policies, all you do is non- stop whining. Your fvcking candidate never had a chance, you lost get over it douchebag.



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[Rockyrd]

I don't like Trump as a person but I certainly don't oppose most of his policies..

I am not in anyway liberal. Left the GOP after over 50 years, and I worked for them and with them. So, I offer this for consideration because and this could be debated as evidence he is damaging us by policy...

55 Ways Donald Trump Structurally Changed America in 2017 (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/55-ways-donald-trump-structurally-changed-america-in-2017.html)

Having said that.....he and his followers have now allowed character and morals to never be considered in a presidential election. I said early in, I would support him IF, but he has failed miserably. He has completely savaged this country and depending in the results of the investigation maybe for a long long long time

Sorry to bother you and "whine" about my love of country, but learned a long time ago as part of my job in Pentagon to read a lot, and he IS damaging our country and presidency.

He does not tell us the truth so how you really determine what he is doing escapes me.

[Abby10]

I don't like Trump as a person but I certainly don't oppose most of his policies..

I'm sure you know my NOTHING reference was just a joke, but I was remiss in not thanking you for your service as well. Didn't have a lot of military people in my immediate family but was raised to have great respect for those who did serve.

[Rockyrd]

You are a fvcking liar. You got nothing positive to say about any of Trumps policies, all you do is non- stop whining. Your fvcking candidate never had a chance, you lost get over it douchebag.



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I happen to think he and he alone failed in the attempted repeal of OBama Care. He failed.

I happen to think the tax breaks are really going to haunt us in years to come. I do not want thevdeficit to choke my grandchildren. Stock market goes up..so what..less than 1/2 of Americans are even in the market. And they go up forbthise able to invest.

His job creation record, despite his telling you otherwise trails OBama. Companies still are and will continue to leave for Mexico.

The rush to get some kind of legislation superseded the need for tax REFORM.

And I suggest you revisit the recent announcement on off shore drilling also.

Lots more...I certainly don't oppose it all, but if you are believing HIM, you are not being told the truth...you know, he made the airlines safe, and clean up pollution...just two from the past week.

[Rockyrd]

I'm sure you know my NOTHING reference was just a joke, but I was remiss in not thanking you for your service as well. Didn't have a lot of military people in my immediate family but was raised to have great respect for those who did serve.

I am sure he likes your thank you.

Mine, despite you ignoring it, gave me Self satifaction and joy to serve

Unusual to be treated like such an outsider because I want truth and morals. Not supporting your idol takes me down to no service thank you and you having your foul mouthed buddies jump my frame.

Recall the day after election, a poster on here telling "we won they lost" as if there were two Americas. I suppose that is your party line.

[Allegiance]

Who has met Rockyrd, or whoever he claims his screen name was before, in real life?

So many years and no one met him?

Don't believe a word he says about being a veteran or a previous Republican.

Usually things are what they appear.

If it looks like SHlT, smells like SHlT, and Tal says it tastes like SHlT, then rockhead is liberal SHlT, always was , always will be.

Who has met him?

A conservative against tax cuts, a conservative that kissed Obama's ass?

Come on.

He is a fraud, a clown.

[Kenswing]

I'm sure you know my NOTHING reference was just a joke, but I was remiss in not thanking you for your service as well. Didn't have a lot of military people in my immediate family but was raised to have great respect for those who did serve.
Of course I knew it was a joke.. I don't think you could be mean if you tried..

[Kenswing]

Who has met Rockyrd, or whoever he claims his screen name was before, in real life?

So many years and no one met him?

Don't believe a word he says about being a veteran or a previous Republican.

Usually things are what they appear.

If it looks like SHlT, smells like SHlT, and Tal says it tastes like SHlT, then rockhead is liberal SHlT, always was , always will be.

Who has met him?

A conservative against tax cuts, a conservative that kissed Obama's ass?

Come on.

He is a fraud, a clown.Rocky is a he? No way.. No man I know can talk that much..

[8notes]

I'm not a big Trump fan but he won. That's why we have an electoral college, so large states like California and New York can't decide an election on their own.

Instead we have states with with hardly any population deciding who is president. That is just wrong. Each American voter should have an equal say in deciding who is President, and this doesn't happen under the Electoral College. Electoral votes are awarded to each state based on its representation in Congress - both representatives and senators. But each state gets two senators, regardless of its size, so the smallest states get a disproportionate number of electoral votes. And the way states award the electoral votes is questionable. Some states make it a winner take all situation, which disenfranchises those state's voters.

[Kenswing]

Instead we have states with with hardly any population deciding who is president. That is just wrong. Each American voter should have an equal say in deciding who is President, and this doesn't happen under the Electoral College. Electoral votes are awarded to each state based on its representation in Congress - both representatives and senators. But each state gets two senators, regardless of its size, so the smallest states get a disproportionate number of electoral votes. And the way states award the electoral votes is questionable. Some states make it a winner take all situation, which disenfranchises those state's voters.

A lot of people would agree with you. But under the current system Trump won. If you want to change the system start lobbying..

[wjboyer1]

A lot of people would agree with you. But under the current system Trump won. If you want to change the system start lobbying..

First we must correct gerrymandering in the states, then we must address the electoral college situation. We need to elect representatives who want FAIR elections, not politicians who want guaranteed elections.

[Kenswing]

First we must correct gerrymandering in the states, then we must address the electoral college situation. We need to elect representatives who want FAIR elections, not politicians who want guaranteed elections.
Hell, I'm not greedy.. I'd be happy with term limits..

[ColdNoMore]

I saw her comment and ignored because she has tried to be civil in discourse, but as we get more specific, she is no different than the rest..alt right white nationalist extremists who have put an intolerable, immoral, egoist, with zero moral character.on a lofty pedestal.

To even suggest that OBama, with whom I disagreed with on pretty much all policy, is even close to being as immoral and dishonest as Trump is simply ludicrious. I think my friend from PA was correct in his chaterization, which means Trump has started his own party of white nationalist.

To say in response to lies and false accusations...to attacks on our own country, to having people close to you indicted, to calling the USA intelligence names and an investigation into FOREIGN countries involved in our elections...

" I will have to wait to see"

Is simply bizarre.

Abby, it is impossible for me to talk in any way to someone who thinks that way.

You nailed her. :thumbup:

She gives empty lip service to 'civility,' yet I asked her a simple question without calling her a single name...and she replies by dodging, deflecting and calling me ignorant. :D

So in that vein, I will go ahead and call her the name that fits her best...Flaming Hypocritical Fake. :ho:

[dbussone]

Hell, I'm not greedy.. I'd be happy with term limits..



That alone, would solve many of the problems in DC.


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[dirtbanker]

You nailed her. [emoji106]

She gives empty lip service to 'civility,' yet I asked her a simple question without calling her a single name...and she replies by dodging, deflecting and calling me ignorant. :D

So in that vein, I will go ahead and call her the name that fits her best...Flaming Hypocritical Fake. :ho:

First of all, I hardly doubt Rockface has nailed any "her" in the last decade. He is damn near a woman these days.

Second of all, do you mean hypocrite like the person that called others racist and then inferred people who do not speak good English were undocumented?

Or, do you mean the hypocrite like the person that calls Trump a liar and then lied about making a charitable donation (gee that person would probably lie about being a veteran if given the chance)?

Or, maybe you mean the hypocrite like the person that claimed to have the best healthcare and then said his spouse needed surgery to correct a life threatening condition, but had to pay it out of pocket?

Not sure which example fits the definition...well actually they all do.

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[Abby10]

I am sure he likes your thank you.

Mine, despite you ignoring it, gave me Self satifaction and joy to serve

Unusual to be treated like such an outsider because I want truth and morals. Not supporting your idol takes me down to no service thank you and you having your foul mouthed buddies jump my frame.

Recall the day after election, a poster on here telling "we won they lost" as if there were two Americas. I suppose that is your party line.

Rocky, I'm truly sorry. I thought you had mentioned that you served as well and in my quick review to confirm it I couldn't find it and thought I was mistaken. I was somewhat in a hurry because I had something else to attend to at the moment.

I hope you will accept my sincere apology. I thank you for your service - NOTHING but respect.

[Allegiance]

Who has met Rockyrd, or whoever he claims his screen name was before, in real life?

So many years and no one met him?

Don't believe a word he says about being a veteran or a previous Republican.

Usually things are what they appear.

If it looks like SHlT, smells like SHlT, and Tal says it tastes like SHlT, then rockhead is liberal SHlT, always was , always will be.

Who has met him?

A conservative against tax cuts, a conservative that kissed Obama's ass?

Come on.

He is a fraud, a clown.A clown

[Abby10]

You nailed her. :thumbup:

She gives empty lip service to 'civility,' yet I asked her a simple question without calling her a single name...and she replies by dodging, deflecting and calling me ignorant. :D

So in that vein, I will go ahead and call her the name that fits her best...Flaming Hypocritical Fake. :ho:

First of all, you have called me and many others all kinds of names on this forum so don't act so self-righteous now. Furthermore, you have proven time and time again that anytime anyone answers your questions you use it only as a reason to continue to spew your hateful nastiness. You have no desire to engage in a respectful fashion so why would anyone want to engage.

Last but not least, what you think of me means absolutely NOTHING to me, so knock yourself out with your name calling since you seem to be the resident expert at it.

[ColdNoMore]

First of all, you have called me and many others all kinds of names on this forum so don't act so self-righteous now. Furthermore, you have proven time and time again that anytime anyone answers your questions you use it only as a reason to continue to spew your hateful nastiness. You have no desire to engage in a respectful fashion so why would anyone want to engage.

Last but not least, what you think of me means absolutely NOTHING to me, so knock yourself out with your name calling since you seem to be the resident expert at it.
Still dodging the simple question I see. :D


Flaming Hypocritical Fake. :ho:

[ColdNoMore]

First of all, I hardly doubt Rockface has nailed any "her" in the last decade. He is damn near a woman these days.

Second of all, do you mean hypocrite like the person that called others racist and then inferred people who do not speak good English were undocumented?

Or, do you mean the hypocrite like the person that calls Trump a liar and then lied about making a charitable donation (gee that person would probably lie about being a veteran if given the chance)?

Or, maybe you mean the hypocrite like the person that claimed to have the best healthcare and then said his spouse needed surgery to correct a life threatening condition, but had to pay it out of pocket?

Not sure which example fits the definition...well actually they all do.


Vying to try and top the number of lies from your treasonous, scumbag hero Chump? :D

Although close...you'll never match him. :ho:

[Chi-Town]

Of course I knew it was a joke.. I don't think you could be mean if you tried..Better check with CNM on that.

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[Kenswing]

Better check with CNM on that.

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I'll pass. But thanks for the suggestion.

[Abby10]

Still dodging the simple question I see. :D


Flaming Hypocritical Fake. :ho:

Says the person who claims to stand up to bullies, but is actually the bully himself - that's rich. I don't think you fool anyone but yourself.

[dirtbanker]

Vying to try and top the number of lies from your treasonous, scumbag hero Chump?

Although close...you'll never match him.

Really, that's all you got?

It is plain as day to everyone, but you...your the flaming hypocrite on this forum.

By the way, how's your spouses mouth? Got any trips to 3rd world countries planned?


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[dirtbanker]

Still dodging the simple question......

Odd, your not all over drama fag Rockface to pony up with the links to the forums that he claimed "they spoke about this political forum"...I thought you were all about posting links to support claims?

Your just carrying on that old hypocritical tradition...

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[ColdNoMore]

Says the person who claims to stand up to bullies, but is actually the bully himself - that's rich. I don't think you fool anyone but yourself.

Still dodging the simple question I see. :D


Flaming Hypocritical Fake. :ho:


:wave:

[Abby10]

Really, that's all you got?

It is plain as day to everyone, but you...your the flaming hypocrite on this forum.

By the way, how's your spouses mouth? Got any trips to 3rd world countries planned?


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Yep, I guess you're right, that's all he's got. Same old lines and emojis over and over again. :icon_bored:

[dirtbanker]

Still dodging the simple question I see.


Flaming Hypocritical Fake.
I have asked you several simple questions in this thread...you have dodged them all...LOL


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[ColdNoMore]

Yep, I guess you're right, that's all he's got. Same old lines and emojis over and over again. :icon_bored:

:1rotfl:


And supporting a lowlife scumbag who constantly uses the 'C' word, because he's a fellow Trump Cultist...simply further proves intelligent people's opinion of you.


Thanks for that. :thumbup:

[Abby10]

:1rotfl:


And supporting a lowlife scumbag who constantly uses the 'C' word, because he's a fellow Trump Cultist...simply further proves intelligent people's opinion of you.


Thanks for that. :thumbup:

Yeah, that's right, I'm supporting him because of one statement he made that I agreed with........which of course had NOTHING to do with Trump. You really enjoy making up your own stories to fit your own narrative.

And you of all people, thinking you actually know what intelligent people think......does it get any richer? LOL

[dirtbanker]

And supporting a lowlife scumbag who constantly uses the 'C' word, because he's a fellow Trump Cultist...simply further proves intelligent people's opinion of you.


Thanks for that.
Please define "constantly" little miss smarty pants...

I doubt you will find that word used at any other time than to describe you...consider yourself special in that regard!


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