Yet another accident....

[NotGolfer]

Around noon today in the vicinity of Colony Blvd a golf cart hit a pedestrian and the latter was air-lifted to Ocala. I so hope that person will recover. This being said...I was out and about on the way to a dr's app't at that time and I will say that traffic is VERY heavy!! People, please take your time!!! Look both ways and proceed with caution. I nearly was hit in a cross-walk at Pinellas Plaza by a woman in a SUV who was gunning through in front of Winn Dixie. Didn't slow for anyone so it's a good thing I was the observant one!

[Chatbrat]

There was another accident involving 2 golf carts, a golf cart did not stop @ a stop sign & t-boned another golf cart-send 2 occupants to the hospital--for particulars go to the unmentionable online news source

[NotGolfer]

There was another accident involving 2 golf carts, a golf cart did not stop @ a stop sign & t-boned another golf cart-send 2 occupants to the hospital--for particulars go to the unmentionable online news source

THAT one happened last night or the other day but horrific just the same! How many times do we see folks in BOTH carts and cars never stopping at signs?? How does one miss that?? I observed a van just today in my neighborhood blow a stop sign and it was going fast. Too bad the traffic on Odell was heavy so Mr In A Hurry had to wait....and wait....and wait! I call that Karma! BUT if he'd have t-boned me, I doubt his attitude would have been so cavallier! He either waved at me or saluted, I'm not sure which!

[Mleeja]

Around noon today in the vicinity of Colony Blvd a golf cart hit a pedestrian and the latter was air-lifted to Ocala. I so hope that person will recover. This being said...I was out and about on the way to a dr's app't at that time and I will say that traffic is VERY heavy!! People, please take your time!!! Look both ways and proceed with caution. I nearly was hit in a cross-walk at Pinellas Plaza by a woman in a SUV who was gunning through in front of Winn Dixie. Didn't slow for anyone so it's a good thing I was the observant one!

Your point is well taken. However, the accident happened near Morse and 466. The lady was taken by ambulance down to Colony to be loaded into the helicopter.

[NotGolfer]

I would have to say....that this happened near 466a and Morse. The patient was taken to the large lot next to Walgreens to be transported via helicopter to the trauma center. I saw it heading out around noon from my garage. It tied up traffic on Colony Blvd. The article had it wrong re: 466 and Morse...in the other news online source. I did go back and read the online article....it was a commentor who gave the incorrect location. It wouldn't make sense to go from 466/Morse all the way down to Colony.

*** I stand corrected....the accident itself happened near Sunset Point but they transported her to near Colony to air-lift her!! In today's Sun!

[dirtbanker]

People, please take your time!!! Look both ways and proceed with caution.
LOL They can't take their time, they might be dead this afternoon!

Plenty of old and blind drivers, with attitude, here in TV. When you point out they did something dangerous or incorrect, they put their heads down and race off. Too foolish to acknowledge error or change.

If a landscaper or another service person's vehicle is parked in their lane, they think they have the right away to the oncoming lane. No matter if someone else is approaching or not.

Stop signs are optional if they were not there 15 years ago...


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[Aloha1]

Was in my cart yesterday afternoon near Walmart Market. Saw a car coming up quickly and as I was approaching a merge, I hit the turn signal and did a hand signal to warn the driver I was merging. Driver totally ignored the signals and kept on coming forcing me to stop or get hit. Totally oblivious to her surroundings.

Bottom line, assume everyone else isn't paying attention and always have your "radar" working.

[Madelaine Amee]

LOL They can't take their time, they might be dead this afternoon!

Plenty of old and blind drivers, with attitude, here in TV. When you point out they did something dangerous or incorrect, they put their heads down and race off. Too foolish to acknowledge error or change.

If a landscaper or another service person's vehicle is parked in their lane, they think they have the right away to the oncoming lane. No matter if someone else is approaching or not.

Stop signs are optional if they were not there 15 years ago...


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That is my pet peeve .... people have no understanding of the fact that when the obstruction is on your side of the road you are supposed to stop for oncoming traffic to come through. How many times have I received the one finger salute from ignorant golf car and car drivers!

[BobnBev]

Was in my cart yesterday afternoon near Walmart Market. Saw a car coming up quickly and as I was approaching a merge, I hit the turn signal and did a hand signal to warn the driver I was merging. Driver totally ignored the signals and kept on coming forcing me to stop or get hit. Totally oblivious to her surroundings.

Bottom line, assume everyone else isn't paying attention and always have your "radar" working.

Seems to me if you saw him coming up quickly, you should have slowed and let him pass. Car vs golf cart---------you lose.:oops:

[jalopy54]

Seems to me if you saw him coming up quickly, you should have slowed and let him pass. Car vs golf cart---------you lose.:oops:

People need to drive the speed limit within this area! It is posted very well 20MPH for all vehicles cars and golf cars! People driving like maniacs in these areas should pay a steep fine for speeding! This is a golf car community, not the indy 500. Slow down people and obey the law. Around Walmart Neighboorhood Market (Sarasota Plaza) and Colony Shopping Center, people slow down!!!

[autumnspring]

Was in my cart yesterday afternoon near Walmart Market. Saw a car coming up quickly and as I was approaching a merge, I hit the turn signal and did a hand signal to warn the driver I was merging. Driver totally ignored the signals and kept on coming forcing me to stop or get hit. Totally oblivious to her surroundings.

Bottom line, assume everyone else isn't paying attention and always have your "radar" working.

NO I was not in the SUV-I do not own one. But, you need to know that a golf cart DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

YOUR proper action was to SLOW DOWN and allow the car to pass.

[fishon]

Old people.
Old people as far as the eye can see.
Oh and little white dogs.
Lots of little white dogs.

[golf2140]

Old people.
Old people as far as the eye can see.
Oh and little white dogs.
Lots of little white dogs.

:a20::a20:

[EdFNJ]

Old people.
Old people as far as the eye can see.
Oh and little white dogs.
Lots of little white dogs.



Lol. I guess that explains why this is considered a "retirement community".


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[VApeople]

Was in my cart yesterday afternoon near Walmart Market. Saw a car coming up quickly and as I was approaching a merge, I hit the turn signal and did a hand signal to warn the driver I was merging. Driver totally ignored the signals and kept on coming forcing me to stop or get hit. Totally oblivious to her surroundings.


It must be tough driving a golf cart around The Villages.

An accident that would be a minor fender-bender in a car can be a lot more serious when a car hits a golf cart.

[Barefoot]

Old people.
Old people as far as the eye can see.
Oh and little white dogs.
Lots of little white dogs.
So many little white dogs. :doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie::doggie:

[Chatbrat]

after looking of pictures of the scene of the accident-on the unmentionable online news--I could only guess another reason , for not walking in a golf cart path that is adjacent to the sidewalk--which is against the law--

[rjn5656]

Why do people walk in golf cart lanes when there is a sidewalk?

[dirtbanker]

It must be tough driving a golf cart around The Villages.

An accident that would be a minor fender-bender in a car can be a lot more serious when a car hits a golf cart.It's tougher walking in the Villages!

I believe a person has a better chance of being seen in a golf cart.

Most of the drivers here would benefit from a white cane out the drivers window...

Of course, a number of posters feel the car has the right away at all times and the person in the cart needs to be taught a lesson (especially if they are behind the steering wheel of the car).


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[coffeebean]

Seems to me if you saw him coming up quickly, you should have slowed and let him pass. Car vs golf cart---------you lose.:oops:

I have always thought the car has the right of way. They are in the roadway and if the cart does not have the time to scoot onto the roadway, the cart either slows down or stops.

[Regor]

Why would anyone, anywhere walk with their back to the traffic? Even in the residential areas walk where the curb is next to your left hand.

[dirtbanker]

Why do people walk in golf cart lanes when there is a sidewalk?Why do people make 6 point turns out of a parking space? Why do people struggle at the self check out? Why do people throw seat cushions down and then go to dinner for an hour and a half? Why don't people use a turn signal?



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[dirtbanker]

I have always thought the car has the right of way. They are in the roadway and if the cart does not have the time to scoot onto the roadway, the cart either slows down or stops.I agree, and when some people are driving the car and see the merge sign indicating the carts lane is ending, they adjust their speed to prevent the cart from being able to merge without stopping.

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[Chatbrat]

The car has right of way-the merging vehicle (cart) has to yield to the car--its the law

[spuds51]

after looking of pictures of the scene of the accident-on the unmentionable online news--I could only guess another reason , for not walking in a golf cart path that is adjacent to the sidewalk--which is against the law--

Although you are always responsible for watching out for pedestrians the law clearly states that you should not be walking in any paved area where sidewalks are provided.

3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.
(4) Where sidewalks are not provided, any pedestrian walking along and upon a highway shall, when practicable, walk only on the shoulder on the left side of the roadway in relation to the pedestrian’s direction of travel, facing traffic which may approach from the opposite direction.

Florida law 316.130

[OCsun]

The car has right of way-the merging vehicle (cart) has to yield to the car--its the law

If you are in normal traffic and can see a car is trying to yield into traffic, would you also speed up or would you slow down and allow the car to move over?

[Chatbrat]

I would slow down and most of the time I would be kicking my self , because the person I let in is doing 5 mph under the speed limit, texting and or sight seeing

[graciegirl]

Old people.
Old people as far as the eye can see.
Oh and little white dogs.
Lots of little white dogs.

Did you just try to tell me about Barbecue?

Hmmmmf. I say. We LIKE old people here and it beats the alternative....wait and see.

[CFrance]

Why do people make 6 point turns out of a parking space? Why do people struggle at the self check out? Why do people throw seat cushions down and then go to dinner for an hour and a half? Why don't people use a turn signal?



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I can answer the last one. We're from Michigan.

[golfing eagles]

I would slow down and most of the time I would be kicking my self , because the person I let in is doing 5 mph under the speed limit, texting and or sight seeing

So very true, except it is usually 15 mph under the limit. I now make an assessment of the driver's skills as I approach, and act accordingly. You can usually separate the eagles from the turkeys within 5 seconds. And if the driver can't see over the steering wheel, stay as far away as possible!

[Chatbrat]

Look out for blue hair, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Cars , sway back Cadillacs all with vinyl roofs and droopy old Buicks--unsafe when operated by anyone over 95==these cars didn't handle well when they were new when their owners first bought them 30 years ago when they retired

[EPutnam1863]

Up here in the North snowmobiles and cars have to watch out for each other.

[Chatbrat]

Just like jet skis, that like to jump the wake of a cruising boat, works well until the driver gets tossed & bounces of the side of your boat--it happened and the driving was a lucky person-he didn't receive the Darwin award that day- closest near death experience I witnessed

[graciegirl]

Look out for blue hair, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Cars , sway back Cadillacs all with vinyl roofs and droopy old Buicks--unsafe when operated by anyone over 95==these cars didn't handle well when they were new when their owners first bought them 30 years ago when they retired

I remember that you have told us several times that you own a newer model luxury car.

I don't recall anyone with a blue tint to their hair in all of the ten years we have been here.

Most everyone owns the best car that they can afford. Most everyone stops driving when it is unsafe, either on recommendation from others who love them, or because they are responsible souls.

I feel angry.

[Aloha1]

Seems to me if you saw him coming up quickly, you should have slowed and let him pass. Car vs golf cart---------you lose.:oops:

Did you not read my post? I stopped! Car was a ways behind me and I had plenty of space to signal and merge IF the driver hadn't sped up and ignored my signal.

[Aloha1]

NO I was not in the SUV-I do not own one. But, you need to know that a golf cart DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

YOUR proper action was to SLOW DOWN and allow the car to pass.

My cart has the right of way if I have made the proper merge signals and have plenty of space to merge WHICH I DID! The idiot driver apparently thought the 20 MPH sign was not meant for her.

[Aloha1]

I agree, and when some people are driving the car and see the merge sign indicating the carts lane is ending, they adjust their speed to prevent the cart from being able to merge without stopping.

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This!

[Chatbrat]

The reason I mentioned certain types of cars, is a car that fit you, when you were 55 , most likely not fit you when you are 80+

we buy our cars for safety first, everything else is secondary

[tagjr1]

Putting on your cart's signal and then making a hand signal does not give you the right of way! Carts must merge with automobiles who have the right of way.

[Chatbrat]

No where in all states does any merging vehicle have the right of way--its akin to a privileged vessel, who must maintain course & speed

[golfing eagles]

The "right of way" only applies when the vehicles will meet, or arrive in an unsafe proximity to each other at the merge point WHEN EACH VEHICLE MAINTAINS THE LEGAL SPEED LIMIT. In that case, the vehicle (car) in the traffic lane has the right of way over the merging vehicle (cart).
If you are driving a car, see a merge point with a cart about to merge, say 300 feet ahead, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ACCELERATE TO 50 TO "beat them there". If an accident results, the auto driver would be 100% at fault. It's no different than an entrance ramp to an interstate. The car on the main road has the right of way, but not if they accelerate to 120 to block out the merging vehicle
If what was mentioned above, that the car ALWAYS has the right of way, was true, you could never merge from the cart lane, because the car 1/2 mile back would have "the right of way"

[coffeebean]

Putting on your cart's signal and then making a hand signal does not give you the right of way! Carts must merge with automobiles who have the right of way.

Agree. The cars have the right of way in that situation. However, I do understand what the OP is trying to say. She had plenty of room to merge onto the main roadway in her cart but the motorist in the car sped up so the cart could not merge in.

Personally, I do not come to a complete stop in the MM path to merge onto the main roadway. I turn on my directional and make my move when there is plenty of room. I have never had a car speed up to prevent me from merging onto the main roadway. I'm just very lucky, I guess.

[EPutnam1863]

The reason I mentioned certain types of cars, is a car that fit you, when you were 55 , most likely not fit you when you are 80+

we buy our cars for safety first, everything else is secondary

AARP safe driving classes recommend the elderlies buy the best cars with as many safety features as they can afford. Our favorite safety features are the back up camera, the blind spot sensor, and the navigation system.

[Chatbrat]

IMHO-the best safety system is adaptive cruise control--hardly ever use the brake & gas--in my car

My wife new car will drive itself around the traffic circles--real spooky doing it with hands off of the steering wheel

[CFrance]

IMHO-the best safety system is adaptive cruise control--hardly ever use the brake & gas--in my car

My wife new car will drive itself around the traffic circles--real spooky doing it with hands off of the steering wheel
I hope to heaven it knows what lane to be in.

[NotGolfer]

I hope to heaven it knows what lane to be in.

Agreed!!! You see folks ALL the time who don't have a clue which lane to be in in the circles. BUT that can start a whole new discussion which has been done ad nauseum on this site!!

[Aloha1]

Putting on your cart's signal and then making a hand signal does not give you the right of way! Carts must merge with automobiles who have the right of way.

WOW. So, I guess that all golf carts should never be driven, right? After all, if you can't merge because carts do not have the right of way, you can't even go on the road, right?:rolleyes:

[Aloha1]

The "right of way" only applies when the vehicles will meet, or arrive in an unsafe proximity to each other at the merge point WHEN EACH VEHICLE MAINTAINS THE LEGAL SPEED LIMIT. In that case, the vehicle (car) in the traffic lane has the right of way over the merging vehicle (cart).
If you are driving a car, see a merge point with a cart about to merge, say 300 feet ahead, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ACCELERATE TO 50 TO "beat them there". If an accident results, the auto driver would be 100% at fault. It's no different than an entrance ramp to an interstate. The car on the main road has the right of way, but not if they accelerate to 120 to block out the merging vehicle
If what was mentioned above, that the car ALWAYS has the right of way, was true, you could never merge from the cart lane, because the car 1/2 mile back would have "the right of way"

:bigbow:

[Marathon Man]

I guess I will weigh in on this.

I agree with those that say that many golf cart drivers seem to have forgotten the rules of the road. You never have the right of way when changing lanes. So many carts just seem to swing over to the car lane when they reach the merge point without considering that a car that is traveling faster is not obligated to slow down and let you in. Recognizing the right of way of the vehicle that already occupies the lane includes recognizing the speed of the vehicle and whether or not you must wait for it to pass before moving over. I recently read in a thread here that if the cart is ahead of the car, the cart has the right of way. Please don't think that.

Now, to say that cars always have the right of way is not accurate. But they do most of the time simply because they are in the right of way position much more often than a cart. For example, where MMP's cross streets - carts have a stop sign, cars do not.

[EPutnam1863]

I am beginning to wonder after reading this thread whether there are "back roads" where it may be safer??

[dirtbanker]

I am beginning to wonder after reading this thread whether there are "back roads" where it may be safer??The back roads here remind me a little of "Deliverance"...

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[golf2140]

The car has right of way-the merging vehicle (cart) has to yield to the car--its the law

Can you show me the law. This is a golf cart community!!!

[Ingenuity]

As I learned in elementary school:
Stop!
Look!
Listen!
Before you cross the street.
Use your eyes.
Use your ears.
Then use your feet.
This is also good for carts and cars. I drive defensively, but even with all of my caution, I almost hit a pedestrian this week. I was looking at someone stepping into traffic on my left, cars turning, and then suddenly a person walked in front of me with no acknowledgement I was even there and moving. I had already slowed down for the person on my left, so I was able to stop. This happened on 466 by Wal Mart. I see this everyday no matter where I am. Very few look right or left to make sure all is clear. They just walk right out into on coming cars I guess expecting the cars to stop. Yes there are laws about right of ways, but when I drive I assume no one knows them and so far so good.

[Marathon Man]

Can you show me the law. This is a golf cart community!!!

OK This is troublesome. Calling a community a "golf cart community" means that carts have the right of way when merging into a lane with cars????? It does seem that there are those who actually believe this.

[Polar Bear]

Can you show me the law. This is a golf cart community!!!
You're joking, right?!? Please tell me you're joking. Please. :shocked:

[coffeebean]

The back roads here remind me a little of "Deliverance"...

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Just a little???

[coffeebean]

Can you show me the law. This is a golf cart community!!!

By gosh. I think this attitude may be a big part of the problem. Yes, we are a golf cart community but this community has vehicular traffic on county roads.

[DonH57]

I believe the Golf cart community signs are nothing more than a reminder to motorists there are other vehicles in use and part of the sales pitch. I wouldn't get my panties in a knot over it.

[manaboutown]

I believe the Golf cart community signs are nothing more than a reminder to motorists there are other vehicles in use and part of the sales pitch. I wouldn't get my panties in a knot over it.

:BigApplause::agree:

[Fredman]

Carts don’t have the right away. You have to drive assuming the car is your enemy. Drive defensively and arrive safely. By the way don’t believe the car’s turn signal.

[Chatbrat]

The pedestrian's friends play pickle ball with my wife-the victim is in an induced coma @ Shands

If the golf cart didn't have specific cart insurance, does her home owners policy cover this kind of accident-either way she is in a world of hurt, legally, financially & emotion

[dirtbanker]

The pedestrian's friends play pickle ball with my wife-the victim is in an induced coma @ Shands

If the golf cart didn't have specific cart insurance, does her home owners policy cover this kind of accident-either way she is in a world of hurt, legally, financially & emotionWell at least your wife did not lose a pickle ball partner...sorry poor humor, just could not help myself.

Really terrible what happened, really, and to both women.

You sure about Shands, I thought the paper said she was airlifted to Ocala Regional??

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[Barefoot]

This happened on 466 by Wal Mart.
You were driving your golf cart on 466?

Carts don’t have the right away. You have to drive assuming the car is your enemy. Drive defensively and arrive safely. By the way don’t believe the car’s turn signal.Also, don't believe the golf cart's turn signal.

[EdFNJ]

You were driving your golf cart on 466?

Also, don't believe the golf cart's turn signal.



Absolutely the truth!! They should require extra loud turn signals on carts along with 100 watt flashing LEDs to match!

I modified my carts turn signal so it will be loud enough to wake up the dead when flashing. It can be heard on top of my radio even with the 150 watt subwoofer blasting XM 70's channel and windows closed. [emoji3][emoji3]




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My user name should be EdF(formerly from)NJ and glad to be gone. [emoji3]

[EPutnam1863]

The back roads here remind me a little of "Deliverance"...

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Oh my goodness, I would not want to attempt that.

[EPutnam1863]

By gosh. I think this attitude may be a big part of the problem. Yes, we are a golf cart community but this community has vehicular traffic on county roads.

I think you hit the nail on the head. I have heard countless ravings from TVers that they could drive their golf carts anywhere and anytime, giving the impression that it was the reason they moved to TV.

[GoodLife]

I think you hit the nail on the head. I have heard countless ravings from TVers that they could drive their golf carts anywhere and anytime, giving the impression that it was the reason they moved to TV.

Countless ravings?

It is true that I drive my golf cart anywhere in TV it is legal to do so, and I do this anytime of day or night I please. It is also true that for many people, the ability to live here and access everything via golf cart is a major attraction. Certainly is for me. This does not mean I think I always have the right of way or can violate traffic laws.

TV is indeed a "golf cart community" and the largest one in the world. That's not going to change. Painting cart drivers or car drivers with a broad brush is foolish. There are bad cart drivers and bad car drivers, I avoid both whenever possible.

[DonH57]

Countless ravings?

It is true that I drive my golf cart anywhere in TV it is legal to do so, and I do this anytime of day or night I please. It is also true that for many people, the ability to live here and access everything via golf cart is a major attraction. Certainly is for me. This does not mean I think I always have the right of way or can violate traffic laws.

Same here.

[Barefoot]

It is true that I drive my golf cart anywhere in TV it is legal to do so, and I do this anytime of day or night I please. It is also true that for many people, the ability to live here and access everything via golf cart is a major attraction. Certainly is for me. This does not mean I think I always have the right of way or can violate traffic laws.

TV is indeed a "golf cart community" and the largest one in the world. That's not going to change. Painting cart drivers or car drivers with a broad brush is foolish. There are bad cart drivers and bad car drivers, I avoid both whenever possible.
Good post, clear and concise. :ho:

[dirtbanker]

I think you hit the nail on the head. I have heard countless ravings from TVers that they could drive their golf carts anywhere and anytime, giving the impression that it was the reason they moved to TV.

You heard that? Lol

What brought you to TV?

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[graciegirl]

I think you hit the nail on the head. I have heard countless ravings from TVers that they could drive their golf carts anywhere and anytime, giving the impression that it was the reason they moved to TV.

It really takes the experience of both owning here and living here to truly understand the day to day activities such as driving a golf cart "anywhere and everywhere".

The reality is that there are few owners who pass others on golf cart paths and very few who drive without care. There is a big problem with those who drive anything with a snoot full............or even a couple beers. You have to be dead eyed sober to stay alive for long in this area with all of the folks who come here and don't usually drive anything, like those who live in large metropolitan areas and use public transportation 365 days a year. They rely heavily on their horn.

[EPutnam1863]

There are bad cart drivers and bad car drivers, I avoid both whenever possible.

You left out one more group - bad bicycle riders. Actually I don't know if bicycling is a popular sport down there.

[Chatbrat]

Just like boating we learned more in our first 30 days of full time cruising than we did in NJ as weekend boaters for 14 years--the same goes for driving anything in TV--it takes months if not a full year to get comfortable with the lay of the land and it takes awhile to acquire a perception of what to expect , especially during snowbird season and or holiday season

[manaboutown]

Just like boating we learned more in our first 30 days of full time cruising than we did in NJ as weekend boaters for 14 years--the same goes for driving anything in TV--it takes months if not a full year to get comfortable with the lay of the land and it takes awhile to acquire a perception of what to expect , especially during snowbird season and or holiday season

I agree with this assessment. It applies to adjusting to driving in any new community during each season. As to how good a golf cart driver one becomes...I doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with home ownership other than perhaps driving responsibly as insurers know all too well. Probably the younger drivers who have driven a lot of accident free miles over the years after a year in TV will be the best. Eyesight (cataracts, macular degeneration, glaucoma...) physical strength and endurance, reaction time, the effect of medications (legal & illegal), an affliction such as Parkinson’s disease and possibly dementia all play a role. After a time even a home owning long time resident of TV ought to hang up his/her golf cart keys as well as the car keys.

[GoodLife]

I agree with this assessment. It applies to adjusting to driving in any new community during each season. As to how good a golf cart driver one becomes...I doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with home ownership other than perhaps driving responsibly as insurers know all too well. Probably the younger drivers who have driven a lot of accident free miles over the years after a year in TV will be the best. Eyesight (cataracts, macular degeneration, glaucoma...) physical strength and endurance, reaction time, the effect of medications (legal & illegal), an affliction such as Parkinson’s disease and possibly dementia all play a role. After a time even a home owning long time resident of TV ought to hang up his/her golf cart keys as well as the car keys.

I would disagree with what I bolded above. In my experience, the worst cart and car drivers are impatient younger and most likely recent transplants from dog eat dog urban environments. The older folks seem to show more courtesy, obey stop signs, and are not in a hurry.

Older folks are old because they have successfully avoided traffic accidents and other forms of death.

If you read the online news, they usually report the ages of people involved in traffic accidents. There are plenty of them caused by younger drivers.

[graciegirl]

I agree with this assessment. It applies to adjusting to driving in any new community during each season. As to how good a golf cart driver one becomes...I doubt it has anything whatsoever to do with home ownership other than perhaps driving responsibly as insurers know all too well. Probably the younger drivers who have driven a lot of accident free miles over the years after a year in TV will be the best. Eyesight (cataracts, macular degeneration, glaucoma...) physical strength and endurance, reaction time, the effect of medications (legal & illegal), an affliction such as Parkinson’s disease and possibly dementia all play a role. After a time even a home owning long time resident of TV ought to hang up his/her golf cart keys as well as the car keys.

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.

Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.

[dbussone]

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.



Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.



I always love Gracie’s well reasoned and logical responses. As with many things I find she gets better as I age.


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[manaboutown]

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.

Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.

You are so right. Friends of mine bought an expensive condo in a resort in Hawaii. After they moved in they discovered that only about 20% are full time owner occupied. The other 80% are rented out very short term. Bottom line: it is a nightmare. The pool, hot tub and everything else require extensive maintenance. The 3 br 3 ba units get sometimes packed by 6 or more occupants. It is party central and they want to sell and move. BTW their association fees are ‘only’ $1,200/mo! The fees cover their water so they in essence pay for the 6 to a unit vacationers’ taking three showers a day since they are on the beach.

No doubt about it, short term rentals are terrible for neighbors. I sympathize with Villagers dealing with carefree and careless vacationers. Nonetheless, I believe a skilled young careful driver is at the peak of his faculties whereas medicated up older drivers encumbered with physical and mental difficulties are dangerous.

[manaboutown]

I would disagree with what I bolded above. In my experience, the worst cart and car drivers are impatient younger and most likely recent transplants from dog eat dog urban environments. The older folks seem to show more courtesy, obey stop signs, and are not in a hurry.

Older folks are old because they have successfully avoided traffic accidents and other forms of death.

If you read the online news, they usually report the ages of people involved in traffic accidents. There are plenty of them caused by younger drivers.

No question wild young crazy, careless and intoxicated or doped up drivers should not be on the road and cause senseless carnage.

Yet I know of many elderly drivers who should have hung up their keys but kept on driving until they killed or maimed someone. Check the statistics. The very young and the very old drivers cause most accidents. Those in the middle who drive responsibly - the group I am touting - are the safest and best drivers.

p.s. Goodlife: I noticed your Porsche avatar. Are you a Porsche affectionado? I have owned a few. My last one was a Cayenne S. Porsche got it up to 180 mph on their Leipzig track. They put a governor to limit those they sold to 165 mph but they put a sticker on the dashboard of the one I bought warning me the tires were only good for 150 mph. All the Porsche’s drivers I know love to drive very fast! As you must be well aware Porsches really smooth out and get in the groove at high speeds but beat you to death over every crack, bump and irregularity in the road at low speeds.

[GoodLife]

No question wild young crazy, careless and intoxicated or doped up drivers should not be on the road and cause senseless carnage.

Yet I know of many elderly drivers who should have hung up their keys but kept on driving until they killed or maimed someone. Check the statistics. The very young and the very old drivers cause most accidents. Those in the middle who drive responsibly - the group I am touting - are the safest and best driver.

p.s. Goodlife: I noticed your Porsche avatar. Are you a Porsche affectionado? I have had a few. All the Porsche’s drivers I know love to drive very fast!

Actually, according to statistics, drivers over the age of 75 have one of the lowest percentages in accidents of all age groups, the largest percentage of ages involved in accidents are concentrated in age groups from 20 to 54 years old.

Age of Driver and Number in Accidents statistics - USA Census numbers (http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/1045_age_of_driver_and_number_in.html)

Yes have a Porsche Panamera S, lovely car but no I don't drive very fast, sometimes on the freeway a bit but not around here. I'd love to go 80 on parts of Buena Vista but that kind of ticket is very expensive! When I am here I rarely use it, my golf cart gets me almost everywhere I need to go.

[manaboutown]

Well, drivers over 75 probably drive very few miles in a year. So, 55 year olds, the young uns of TV, may very well be the safest drivers since they are physically and mentally the healthiest, statistically speaking.

My 79 year old cousin has a Panamera and loves it! Drives it to and from D.C. and Miami Beach. Great car!

Gotta admit it is fun to putt-putt around in a golf cart. Enjoy!

[GoodLife]

As you must be well aware Porsches really smooth out and get in the groove at high speeds but beat you to death over every crack, bump and irregularity in the road at low speeds.

The Panamera is like an extended wheelbase 911, it rides very nice especially when you have PASM option. I find the roads here in TV very smooth and good, especially up here in Marion County. The only time I feel bumps in the road are when I cross the railroad tracks going to 301.

[manaboutown]

As you must be well aware Porsches really smooth out and get in the groove at high speeds but beat you to death over every crack, bump and irregularity in the road at low speeds.

The Panamera is like an extended wheelbase 911, it rides very nice especially when you have PASM option. I find the roads here in TV very smooth and good, especially up here in Marion County. The only time I feel bumps in the road are when I cross the railroad tracks going to 301.

:coolsmiley:

[dirtbanker]

When you have money invested in a community such as owning property, and an emotional attachment to an area such as it being your primary home, it is different than when you go visit an area on vacation.

Some people are responsible all of the time and in all situations and some....well...... What happens in The Villages, stays in the Villages. So they throw their beer can and pizza box out along the cart path that we take such pride in. Who is going to know who you are if you tailgate or are sloppy parking? There are far more young....and old drunks than people impaired by age who drive. Most people have enough character that they would not endanger their lives or others by driving with less than accurate perception.Not all the young people here are drunks...just like all the old people here are not blind. But, I definately have had to dive into people's front yards to avoid being ran over by the old and blind (I am young enough to see they are short, wrinkled, grey or white haired, and terrified being behind the wheel).

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[GoodLife]

Well, drivers over 75 probably drive very few miles in a year. So, 55 year olds, the young uns of TV, may very well be the safest drivers since they are physically and mentally the healthiest, statistically speaking.

Yes statistically younger people are heathier, better vision etc, and miles per year driven has an effect. But the fact is, drivers over 75 are involved in a very small percentage of accidents which is dwarfed by the cohort aged 20 to 54. According to the link I posted 5-6% of accidents caused by over 75, 50-60% caused by 20 to 54. In fact the age group 55 to 64 is 8 to 11% of accidents vs 5-6% over 75.

[Allegiance]

Well, drivers over 75 probably drive very few miles in a year. So, 55 year olds, the young uns of TV, may very well be the safest drivers since they are physically and mentally the healthiest, statistically speaking.

Yes statistically younger people are heathier, better vision etc, and miles per year driven has an effect. But the fact is, drivers over 75 are involved in a very small percentage of accidents which is dwarfed by the cohort aged 20 to 54. According to the link I posted 5-6% of accidents caused by over 75, 50-60% caused by 20 to 54. In fact the age group 55 to 64 is 8 to 11% of accidents vs 5-6% over 75.Bingo... give the man a prize. Look at the over 75 year olds you know. Most don't drive anymore but retain their licences. They must be perfect drivers.... zero accidents.

A lot of Fake News is put out by aarp et al

[GoodLife]

Bingo... give the man a prize. Look at the over 75 year olds you know. Most don't drive anymore but retain their licences. They must be perfect drivers.... zero accidents.

A lot of Fake News is put out by aarp et al

The link provide was not AARP and numbers provided were from US Census Bureau and National Safety Council. If you have better data feel free to post it.

I live on a street with 20 homes. 7 are owned by couples in their mid 70s. They all have cars, driver's licenses, and actually use their cars more than I do.

Put up some data if you know better.

[graciegirl]

Bingo... give the man a prize. Look at the over 75 year olds you know. Most don't drive anymore but retain their licences. They must be perfect drivers.... zero accidents.

A lot of Fake News is put out by aarp et al

Really? I can easily give you a very long list of people over 75 who are safe drivers.

[Allegiance]

The link provide was not AARP and numbers provided were from US Census Bureau and National Safety Council. If you have better data feel free to post it.

I live on a street with 20 homes. 7 are owned by couples in their mid 70s. They all have cars, driver's licenses, and actually use their cars more than I do.

Put up some data if you know better.Did i say it was put out by the aarp... NO


And... I don't think your street in the Villages is a Good sample.

Good day.

[graciegirl]

Did i say it was put out by the aarp... NO


And... I don't think your street in the Villages is a Good sample.

Good day.

I completely disagree with you. I think perhaps you aren't aware of people's real age around here.

[Polar Bear]

...I definately have had to dive into people's front yards to avoid being ran over by the old and blind...
If you’ve had to do that very often, I think you might want to reconsider the source of the problem.

[Allegiance]

Background on: Older drivers | III (https://www.iii.org/article/background-on-older-drivers)

A 2 second Google search gets the truth. Even works on bing....lol

[Allegiance]

"Older drivers have higher rates of fatal crashes, based on miles driven, than any other group except young drivers, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety*"

[graciegirl]

"Older drivers have higher rates of fatal crashes, based on miles driven, than any other group except young drivers, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety*"

Fatal crashes because they aren't as robust, but not crashes.

are older drivers more dangerous - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=are+older+drivers+more+dangerous&qs=AS&pq=are+older+drivers&sc=6-17&cvid=168D352B57BA4057B29AC7474CBD4941&FORM=QBRE&sp=1)

[GoodLife]

Background on: Older drivers | III (https://www.iii.org/article/background-on-older-drivers)

A 2 second Google search gets the truth. Even works on bing....lol

Do you even read your links?

In February 2014 the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety’s Highway Loss Data Institute (IIHS) released a report showing that older drivers are now less likely to be involved in a crash and less likely to be injured or killed. The institute attributes the improvement to safer vehicles and better senior health. The report, which tracked data from 1995 to 2012, found that drivers age 70 and over had bigger declines in fatal crash rates per licensed drivers and per vehicle miles traveled than middle-aged drivers, ages 35-54.

Older drivers have higher rates of fatal crashes, based on miles driven, than any other group except young drivers, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). The high death rate is due in large part to their frailty. Older people are less likely to survive an injury than younger people.

[graciegirl]

Do you even read your links?

In February 2014 the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety’s Highway Loss Data Institute (IIHS) released a report showing that older drivers are now less likely to be involved in a crash and less likely to be injured or killed. The institute attributes the improvement to safer vehicles and better senior health. The report, which tracked data from 1995 to 2012, found that drivers age 70 and over had bigger declines in fatal crash rates per licensed drivers and per vehicle miles traveled than middle-aged drivers, ages 35-54.

Older drivers have higher rates of fatal crashes, based on miles driven, than any other group except young drivers, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). The high death rate is due in large part to their frailty. Older people are less likely to survive an injury than younger people.


I just read the link Allegiance posted too.

The graph below these words in the link, also support our arguments.

[Allegiance]

Do you even read your links?

In February 2014 the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety’s Highway Loss Data Institute (IIHS) released a report showing that older drivers are now less likely to be involved in a crash and less likely to be injured or killed. The institute attributes the improvement to safer vehicles and better senior health. The report, which tracked data from 1995 to 2012, found that drivers age 70 and over had bigger declines in fatal crash rates per licensed drivers and per vehicle miles traveled than middle-aged drivers, ages 35-54.

Older drivers have higher rates of fatal crashes, based on miles driven, than any other group except young drivers, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS). The high death rate is due in large part to their frailty. Older people are less likely to survive an injury than younger people.

Do you even understand what you wrote? Older people are less likely than before, compared to the same group!!!! Not less likely than the other groups!

[Allegiance]

Insurance rates tell it ALL. RATES GO UP for the elderly..... period.

[manaboutown]

Insurance rates tell it ALL. RATES GO UP for the elderly..... period.

:agree:

[Allegiance]

Not all the young people here are drunks...just like all the old people here are not blind. But, I definately have had to dive into people's front yards to avoid being ran over by the old and blind (I am young enough to see they are short, wrinkled, grey or white haired, and terrified being behind the wheel).

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using TapatalkThey don't get that the old blind fool will cause an accident and go in his merry way, never even hearing the crash.

[manaboutown]

I completely disagree with you. I think perhaps you aren't aware of people's real age around here.

Geriatric?

[manaboutown]

They don't get that the old blind fool will cause an accident and go in his merry way, never even hearing the crash.

:agree: or realizing he/she caused it.

[Allegiance]

They don't get that the old blind fool will cause an accident and go in his merry way, never even hearing the crash.An 85 woman across the street from me hit a parked landscaping truck and was arrogant enough to try to blame the landscaper.

It's obvious she CAN'T drive, should I drop the dime?

[GoodLife]

Insurance rates tell it ALL. RATES GO UP for the elderly..... period.

You must have bad insurance, my rates for $100k sports car with 400HP have gone down the last 3 years.


Drivers In Motor Vehicle Crashes By Age, 2015 (from your link)

Age vs Involvement rate
16-20 35%
21-24 34%
25-34 25%
35-44 21%
45-54 19%
55-64 17%
65-74 15%
74+ 18%

[Wiotte]

When we went to get our driver licenses changed over last year an elderly gentleman next to us was taking his eye test. He failed with flying colors. He then told a heartbreaking story about recently loosing his wife,the examiner listening intently and how his wife took care of him. The examiner looked over to another examiner who was listening in, she nodded and the examiner gave the old man a pass. He walked out with a license good till the next time.
I’m not making a judgement here, just telling what I witnessed.


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[manaboutown]

Really? I can easily give you a very long list of people over 75 who are safe drivers.

And I can give give you an even longer list of those who are not! People I know who have moved to 55 and over communities have all surprisingly seen their insurance rates rise, some substantially. Their agents informed them of the great number of fender benders that occur in such communities. When I drive through one near where I now reside I am appalled by the large number of dinged cars I see.

[Allegiance]

You must have bad insurance, my rates for $100k sports car with 400HP have gone down the last 3 years.


Drivers In Motor Vehicle Crashes By Age, 2015 (from your link)

Age vs Involvement rate
16-20 35%
21-24 34%
25-34 25%
35-44 21%
45-54 19%
55-64 17%
65-74 15%
74+ 18%Once again.... age without mention of miles driven is meaningless.

And your personal rates mean NOTHING. It's a fact old people pay higher rates.

[Allegiance]

You must have bad insurance, my rates for $100k sports car with 400HP have gone down the last 3 years.


Drivers In Motor Vehicle Crashes By Age, 2015 (from your link)

Age vs Involvement rate
16-20 35%
21-24 34%
25-34 25%
35-44 21%
45-54 19%
55-64 17%
65-74 15%
74+ 18%And, the mention of car value, horsepower etc does statistically mean something.


Lol


Inverse relationship of car power/cost vs. .....

Is it red?

[manaboutown]

When we went to get our driver licenses changed over last year an elderly gentleman next to us was taking his eye test. He failed with flying colors. He then told a heartbreaking story about recently loosing his wife,the examiner listening intently and how his wife took care of him. The examiner looked over to another examiner who was listening in, she nodded and the examiner gave the old man a pass. He walked out with a license good till the next time.
I’m not making a judgement here, just telling what I witnessed.


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I just hope he doesn’t run over some hapless pedestrian he fails to see.:mad:

[GoodLife]

Once again.... age without mention of miles driven is meaningless.

And your personal rates mean NOTHING. It's a fact old people pay higher rates.

You said this:

Insurance rates tell it ALL. RATES GO UP for the elderly..... period.

Mine did not and in fact went down. You lied.