Sinkhole in Calumet Grove

[Kahuna32162]

Just saw a note on a Villages FB page about a huge sinkhole that has devoured multiple homes near the postal station in Calumet Grove. Antone have any further info about this?

[CWGUY]

Just saw a note on a Villages FB page about a huge sinkhole that has devoured multiple homes near the postal station in Calumet Grove. Antone have any further info about this?

;) PLEASE.... I'm trying to enjoy this movie. Stop yelling FIRE!

From The District Web Site::shrug: (That few read)

Depressons along McLawren Street
Due to the depressions along McLawren Street and adjacent to two houses, the roadway near McLawren Street and McAlpin Street within the Village of Calumet Grove, and the 8th and 9th holes of the Torri Pine Golf Course may be closed intermittently. Public safety professionals are currently evaluating and addressing the safety impacts to the general public. Motorists, pedestrians, cyclists and golf cart users are asked to avoid this area and pay attention to all directional and informational signage. For further information, please contact the District Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508.

[twoplanekid]

;) PLEASE.... I'm trying to enjoy this movie. Stop yelling FIRE!

From The District Web Site::shrug: (That few read)

Depressons along McLawren Street
Due to the depressions along McLawren Street and adjacent to two houses, the roadway near McLawren Street and McAlpin Street within the Village of Calumet Grove, and the 8th and 9th holes of the Torri Pine Golf Course may be closed intermittently. Public safety professionals are currently evaluating and addressing the safety impacts to the general public. Motorists, pedestrians, cyclists and golf cart users are asked to avoid this area and pay attention to all directional and informational signage. For further information, please contact the District Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508.

The other news service has pictures of what sure looks and smells like a sink hole in Calumet. :smiley:

[Dan9871]

;) PLEASE.... I'm trying to enjoy this movie. Stop yelling FIRE!

From The District Web Site::shrug: (That few read)

Depressons along McLawren Street
Due to the depressions along McLawren Street and adjacent to two houses, the roadway near McLawren Street and McAlpin Street within the Village of Calumet Grove, and the 8th and 9th holes of the Torri Pine Golf Course may be closed intermittently. Public safety professionals are currently evaluating and addressing the safety impacts to the general public. Motorists, pedestrians, cyclists and golf cart users are asked to avoid this area and pay attention to all directional and informational signage. For further information, please contact the District Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508.



The other news service says that 4 homes have been evacuated and 2 of those have been declared uninhabitable.

[CWGUY]

The other news service has pictures of what sure looks and smells like a sink hole in Calumet. :smiley:

:agree: I agree it does. But is it "a huge sinkhole that has devoured multiple homes?" The correct info. was on the District Site before this site or the other site. Some want facts, some don't.:shrug::shrug: To each his own.

Have a good day.

[manaboutown]

The other news service has pictures of what sure looks and smells like a sink hole in Calumet. :smiley:

Wow! Those are impressive - or perhaps depressive! I feel for the homeowners.

[CWGUY]

The other news service says that 4 homes have been evacuated and 2 of those have been declared uninhabitable.

:ohdear: Hopefully all will be well.

[rustyp]

That par 3 eighth hole on Torrey Pines just got a lot easier. And you thought the cups were big on El Santiago.

[LuckyS]

Sinkholes threatening homes in The Villages (http://www.wesh.com/article/sinkholes-threatening-homes-in-the-villages/18194950)

[villagetinker]

Channel 9 news spoke of 3 sinkholes, the largest one (apparently between the 2 homes) is estimated to be 18 feet in diameter and 30 to 35 feet deep. The photos from the helicopter (or drone) were very impressive, definitely looks like a sink hole to me.

Lets hope the villages can contain this and repair as quickly as possible.

[ureout]

for the VCCCD to come out and say this is wrong these are MUCH more than a depression... they are SINK HOLES

[xcaligirl]

I do think that people are concerned and it IS a sinkhole! Not unless the pictures are fake and Marion County Sheriffs Office is also fabricating the story

[Topspinmo]

Looking from behind calumet postal station. You can clearly see two of the sink holes, no depression, but holes with workers measuring/monitoring the depth. Actually you can walk up on #8 ladies green and get closer look. The pond now down at least 6 foot between #2 and #8 holes, somebody said they are draining it down.

[graciegirl]

There are sinkholes in Florida. It is no one's fault. People can be hired to fix them. It is not a conspiracy. You can call them sinkholes and you can call them depressions. They scare the hell out of people and they look for someone to blame. It is not the overuse of water or the water table going down. We live in an area that has sinkholes. It is far worse near Tampa, but the South Central part of Florida has sinkholes.

sinkhole map of florida. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sinkhole+map+of+florida.&FORM=HDRSC2)

[manaboutown]

While sinkholes do occur naturally in Florida, especially in the Tampa Bay Area, the water table dropping on account of ground water depletion can also cause them.

https://pubs.usgs.gov/wri/1981/0050/report.pdf

[village dreamer]

i have seen pot holes in jersey bigger than any sink hole in florida.

[dietpepsi]

we got to put more sugar in that KOOLAIDE we are drinking, feel for these folks homes that will never be the same, and the property values will drop for a period of time till fresh meat come looking for homes. This is my worst fear that will happen in our neighborhood.

[rustyp]

we got to put more sugar in that KOOLAIDE we are drinking, feel for these folks homes that will never be the same, and the property values will drop for a period of time till fresh meat come looking for homes. This is my worst fear that will happen in our neighborhood.

Is it required by law in Florida to disclose that a sinkhole had occurred and been repaired on a property sale ?

[GoodLife]

Is it required by law in Florida to disclose that a sinkhole had occurred and been repaired on a property sale ?

Yes

6. Sinkholes: Note: When an insurance claim for sinkhole damage has been made by the seller and paid by the insurer, Section 627.7073(2)(c), Florida Statutes, requires the seller to disclose to the buyer that a claim was paid and whether or not the full amount paid was used to repair the sinkhole damage. (a) Does past or present settling, soil movement, or sinkhole(s) affect the Property or adjacent properties?    (b) Has any insurance claim for sinkhole damage been made?    (c) If any insurance claim for sinkhole damage was made, was the claim paid?    (d) If any insurance claim for sinkhole damage was paid, were all the proceeds used to repair the damage?    (e) If any answer to questions 6(a) - 6(c) is yes or the answer to question 6(d) is no, please explain

[rustyp]

Yes

6. Sinkholes: Note: When an insurance claim for sinkhole damage has been made by the seller and paid by the insurer, Section 627.7073(2)(c), Florida Statutes, requires the seller to disclose to the buyer that a claim was paid and whether or not the full amount paid was used to repair the sinkhole damage. (a) Does past or present settling, soil movement, or sinkhole(s) affect the Property or adjacent properties?    (b) Has any insurance claim for sinkhole damage been made?    (c) If any insurance claim for sinkhole damage was made, was the claim paid?    (d) If any insurance claim for sinkhole damage was paid, were all the proceeds used to repair the damage?    (e) If any answer to questions 6(a) - 6(c) is yes or the answer to question 6(d) is no, please explain

Thanks for the info. Given this disclosure is required how much does it affect the sellability / value of a home ?

[Carla B]

I think disclosure would need to be made, regardless of an insurance claim, otherwise the seller could be sued.

[GoodLife]

Thanks for the info. Given this disclosure is required how much does it affect the sellability / value of a home ? I have looked at sinkhole repaired homes in TV, price was significantly less than similar homes nearby.

[fw102807]

This is so sad. I can imagine how horrible it must be being told to evacuate their home.

[Topspinmo]

There are sinkholes in Florida. It is no one's fault. People are hired to fix them. It is not a conspiracy. You can call them sinkholes and you can call them depressions. They scare the hell out of people and they look for someone to blame. It is not the overuse of water or the water table going down. We live in an area that has sinkholes. It is far worse near Tampa, but the South Central part of Florida has sinkholes.

sinkhole map of florida. - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sinkhole+map+of+florida.&FORM=HDRSC2)

Conspiracy! WT!

Please, where is my post say I was looking for someone to blame. Sinkholes can be cause by other man made cause like water run off settling In low area, storm drains, water mains, and underground piping leaking saturating the soil and tunneling to underground cavity. Happens all over the world natural and man made.

[John_W]

from Village News

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[graciegirl]

Just saw it on the Evening News. Two homes have been condemned and the third ordered to evacuate. I feel so sad for these people and bad for the people who are scared.

Thank goodness no one was hurt.

California has earthquakes and we have sinkholes.

[ColdNoMore]

for the VCCCD to come out and say this is wrong these are MUCH more than a depression... they are SINK HOLES

After seeing the aerial shots...it's looking like a 'gaping maw.' :ohdear:

[rustyp]

Are there some areas in The Villages more prone to sink holes than others ? If so Why ?

[manaboutown]

Are there some areas in The Villages more prone to sink holes than others ? If so Why ?

I would think so. I believe maps exist of past sinkhole activity. They are naturally occurring as well as induced by human water usage. Some areas must be sinkhole prone due to landfill and perhaps long term irrigation and/or the water table lowering.

As for earthquakes I believe the Mission District of San Francisco suffers more than other nearby areas from earthquakes as it is built on landfill and responds as a liquid to the tremors.

Personally, I avoid purchasing structures built on landfill anywhere.

[graciegirl]

Are there some areas in The Villages more prone to sink holes than others ? If so Why ?

I think it fair to say that I can remember more sinkhole's near ponds and I can only guess that the enormous weight of water may enter into it. Just me musing.

We usually have a sinkhole after a long dry spell and several inches of rain in a short period of time.

I am sick of the Kool-Aid posts. Some of us love it here quite genuinely and try to dispel rumors and gossip. Some of us were born to bloom wherever we are planted. And some of us love to stir the pot.

[manaboutown]

I think it fair to say that I can remember more sinkhole's near ponds and I can only guess that the enormous weight of water may enter into it. Just me musing.

We usually have a sinkhole after a long dry spell and several inches of rain in a short period of time.

I am sick of the Kool-Aid posts. Some of us love it here quite genuinely and try to dispel rumors and gossip. Some of us were born to bloom wherever we are planted. And some of us love to stir the pot.

Yes, wherever one resides one assumes risk, whether it be sinkholes, earthquakes, crime, terrorists, hurricanes, tsunamis...the list goes on.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Both holes 8 and 9 on Torri Pines have been closed. I really feel sad for the residents of those homes declared uninhabitable.

[twoplanekid]

RiskMeter’s Top 10 Sinkhole-Prone Counties in Florida are:

1 Pasco
2 Hernando
3 Hillsborough
4 Marion
5 Pinellas
6 Citrus
7 Polk
8 Orange
9 Seminole
10 Lake

Data from this 2011 article in Insurance Journal -> Florida’s Top 10 Sinkhole-Prone Counties (https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southeast/2011/03/30/192278.htm)

[justjim]

Some of the highest priced property in the country is in San Francisco and there could be a catastrophic earthquake there at anytime. So we have a few sinkholes in Central Florida, so what?

That said, even with sinkhole Insurance it can be costly with a 10% deductible. My best to all the residents affected.

[Villagevip]

Still don't know why The village, does not have a bank sponsored sink hole pool...Home owners pay an annual $100.00 to a bank fund that pays out to have any Village sink hole filled, house made whole..No deducts, if's, or whereas..This, better than feeling sorry, prayers, lighting candles for the victims...Please, I have heard all the nay sayers...Next sink hole could be yours (I hope not).

[Wiotte]

Still don't know why The village, does not have a bank sponsored sink hole pool...Home owners pay an annual $100.00 to a bank fund that pays out to have any Village sink hole filled, house made whole..No deducts, if's, or whereas..This, better than feeling sorry, prayers, lighting candles for the victims...Please, I have heard all the nay sayers...Next sink hole could be yours (I hope not).



Because, shining a light onto an event that could possibly swallow you into the earth
is not good for home sales.





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[Lottoguy]

Video: Several sinkholes open in The Villages, threatening two homes - YouTube (https://youtu.be/nKJbB6ifQ_A)


I hope everything turns out okay for these people.

[tophcfa]

Scary stuff, hoping all the effected Villages residents make it through this OK and that their homes are not damaged.

[Topspinmo]

I think it fair to say that I can remember more sinkhole's near ponds and I can only guess that the enormous weight of water may enter into it. Just me musing.

We usually have a sinkhole after a long dry spell and several inches of rain in a short period of time.

I am sick of the Kool-Aid posts. Some of us love it here quite genuinely and try to dispel rumors and gossip. Some of us were born to bloom wherever we are planted. And some of us love to stir the pot.



"Some try to twist the facts". the fact is don't know what caused the sink hole in middle of mild dry spell. Can't help to notice that the sinkhole's are in line and looked like tunneling. Something causes the earth to collapse into cavern below, which it hasn't rained in while so the heavy rain theory is suspect.

[rustyp]

Wow that is some crack on the front of the house in the news video. Can't imagine what that sounded or felt like in bed at 3 AM. Engineering wise for earthquake construction the first rule of thumb is structures should be tough, able to deflect and deform a considerable amount. The flexibility hedges against collapse. The house in the video appears to be a block house. I wonder if a stick built house is more flexible and would have less damage.

[manaboutown]

From the unmentionable online news the sinkholes have doubled from three to six which some may consider a calamity in Calumet Grove!

From the photos the homes look beautiful. I really feel for the affected homeowners.

[stephenm52]

I share the same feeling as others i.e. feeling bad for the homeowners. I know that one of the homes affected the folks who purchased it have been there for less than a year. I can’t imagine buying what was probably a dream home, then to have this happen.

In December 2015 we owned a home in Oak Run that’s off SR 200 in Ocala there was a huge sink hole that formed approximately one tenth of a mile away from our house there. It took weeks for it to be repaired but it was the home has since been resold. Below is a link to the story, but the sink hole in Calumet is small compared to the one that was in Oak Run. We had other reasons to sell the home and it had nothing to do with the sink hole.

Massive Sinkhole Threatens to Swallow Homes in Florida Neighborhood - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/massive-sinkhole-threatens-swallow-homes-florida-neighborhood/story?id=35693830)

[graciegirl]

Picture of the homes and golf course where the sink holes are;

6 Sinkholes open up in the Villages (http://www.wcjb.com/content/news/6-Sinkholes-open-up-in-the-Villages--474235783.html)

[New Englander]

This is very scary. I feel so bad for the affected people.

[pauld315]

;) PLEASE.... I'm trying to enjoy this movie. Stop yelling FIRE!

From The District Web Site::shrug: (That few read)

Depressons along McLawren Street
Due to the depressions along McLawren Street and adjacent to two houses, the roadway near McLawren Street and McAlpin Street within the Village of Calumet Grove, and the 8th and 9th holes of the Torri Pine Golf Course may be closed intermittently. Public safety professionals are currently evaluating and addressing the safety impacts to the general public. Motorists, pedestrians, cyclists and golf cart users are asked to avoid this area and pay attention to all directional and informational signage. For further information, please contact the District Customer Service Center at (352) 753-4508.

And they still haven't updated their story. 30 foot deep sinkholes are some mighty big depressions ! Maybe that is why few read their website :)

[graciegirl]

And they still haven't updated their story. 30 foot deep sinkholes are some mighty big depressions ! Maybe that is why few read their website :)

Here is what will happen...probably, There will be a company that does such things pour "grout" into the hole. My guess "grout" is a good deal like concrete. If the home has been condemned (too risky to inhabit) then the insurance will cover the costs.

There are some that say that a repaired sinkhole is probably safe, maybe safer than what is unknown.

There was a big mess some years ago where many Florida homeowners used sinkhole insurance fraudulently for cracks and settling that was not due to sinkholes and it burdened the insurance companies to the point that sinkhole insurance was no longer offered. That has since changed.

This is at least my summary of what I have heard and remembered. Sinkholes are scary. Rumors abound.

[asianthree]

Sometime ago in TV while building new houses a sinkhole happened. Ground was pinned and house sold along with others on street. Do not remember which street.

Of course not any worse then friends who the moving truck had finished unloading cars and all, they went out to dinner, storm blew in, lightning occurred, stuck their house they owned for 2 days and it burned to the ground. Nothing left.

Nature happens, when it does you work thru it, start over. While not fair, you can not worry about things you can not change

[tagjr1]

I was ready to buy a newly built home on Image Court when the salesperson informed us that there was a "disclosure" issued for the property. Apparently a "depression" that required 300 cubic yards of grout to fill it had shown up in the intersection in front of the driveway where Memory Lane meets Image. After reading the Engineering Report we decided to continue looking and eventually bought on Ivawood Way. A few months after we moved in and I was looking at a map, I realized we were only 150 yards away from Image Court! There were "depressions" on Hillsborough Trail around the same time.

[kstew43]

the new station that reported this showed a sheriffs video of the sink hole expanding right before his eyes and he caught it all on video..... not the same one as shown by a previous poster. I saw it from the others villages new sight and it is also on youtube.

amazingly terrifying to witness in person...and see on video....