AR 15 vs Lawnmowers

[GoodLife]

Here’s another statistic from the New York Times article on AR-15s we told you about earlier. According to the Times, “Since 2007, at least 173 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States involving AR-15s, according to a New York Times analysis.”

70 Americans are killed EVERY YEAR by lawnmowers. That's over 700 in the same time period.

"Constipation" — 2,167 deaths (since 1999)

"Fall involving bed" — 10,386 deaths (since 1999)

"Fall involving ice-skates, skis, roller-skates or skateboards" — 1,139 deaths (since 1999)

8 surprisingly common causes of death - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/weird-causes-of-death-2016-7#w28-contact-with-powered-lawnmower--951-deaths-1)

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I'm pretty sure no one has used constipation as a weapon to kill others....well, except that guy with the all you can eat persimmon buffet.

[manaboutown]

I'm pretty sure no one has used constipation as a weapon to kill others....well, except that guy with the all you can eat persimmon buffet.

Isn't that how Elvis died?

The King died on the throne.

[Polar Bear]

Here’s another statistic from the New York Times article on AR-15s we told you about earlier. According to the Times, “Since 2007, at least 173 people have been killed in mass shootings in the United States involving AR-15s, according to a New York Times analysis.”

70 Americans are killed EVERY YEAR by lawnmowers. That's over 700 in the same time period.

"Constipation" — 2,167 deaths (since 1999)

"Fall involving bed" — 10,386 deaths (since 1999)

"Fall involving ice-skates, skis, roller-skates or skateboards" — 1,139 deaths (since 1999)

8 surprisingly common causes of death - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/weird-causes-of-death-2016-7#w28-contact-with-powered-lawnmower--951-deaths-1)
Irrespective of one's beliefs, since none of the types of death you cite are a person intentionally killing another person, the data are totally irrelevant and nonsensical.

[GoodLife]

Irrespective of one's beliefs, since none of the types of death you cite are a person intentionally killing another person, the data are totally irrelevant and nonsensical.

There you go ! "person intentionally killing another person" We need to outlaw this right away! I think we already have. Argument gets confused when you include objects that can accomplish this.

Besides, a good lawyer can prove just about anything.

Lawnmowers are dangerous over powered cutting machines that can kill. Outlaw them

Cheese is a dangerous food engineered to seize up your intestines. See ya

Beds are too high and kill, confiscate all, henceforth all mattresses must rest on the floor.

[Villagesperson]

Do lawnmowers get blessed and prayed over....

Worshippers clutching AR-15 rifles hold commitment ceremony - The Morning Call (http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-pennsylvania-church-blessing-ar-15-rifles-20180228-story.html)

Crown-wearing worshippers clutching AR-15 rifles drank holy wine and exchanged or renewed wedding vows in a commitment ceremony

The church, which has a worldwide following, believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” in the book of Revelation, and encouraged couples to bring the weapons.

Ever heard of renewing your vows with your Toro at your side ?

We know they did not buy at Dick's !!!!!

[GoodLife]

I give you the Stigs 130mph lawnmower

The Stig's 130mph lawnmower | Top Gear Magazine - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=Xe5ldu2jB2E)

Church invites you to ride lawnmower to worship

Drive Your Tractor To Church - St. John Lutheran - Rapidan (http://www.stjohnrapidan.org/drive-your-tractor-to-church.html)

Historical holy cheeses

Cheese blintzes, cheese kreplach, cheesecake, cheese sambusak, atayef (a cheese-filled pancake), a seven-layer cake called siete cielos (seven heavens) and other dairy foods are traditionally eaten on Shavuot, and have various symbolic meanings all connected to the giving of the Torah on Mount Sinai celebrated on this holiday.

[ColdNoMore]

Irrespective of one's beliefs, since none of the types of death you cite are a person intentionally killing another person, the data are totally irrelevant and nonsensical.

WHAT, I now have to agree...with you? :22yikes:


Keeeripes! :oops:

[manaboutown]

A lawnmower has been used to murder someone, at least in a fictional story. The Lawnmower Man - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lawnmower_Man)

[fw102807]

And I thought the other post was getting ripe...now we are debating lawn mowers?

[GoodLife]

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Ever heard of renewing your vows with your Toro at your side ?

Yep

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[GoodLife]

And I thought the other post was getting ripe...now we are debating lawn mowers?

Nope, just comparing various causes of death. Actually, when you remove suicides (60% of gun caused deaths) guns are not a leading instrument of deaths or murders.

You can outlaw anything, including lawnmowers, but people who want to kill themselves or others will find a way.

[ColdNoMore]

While obviously meant to be facetious, there will be those gun nuts that will jump on it and scream...Heck Yeah! :oops:

[fw102807]

Nope, just comparing various causes of death. Actually, when you remove suicides (60% of gun caused deaths) guns are not a leading instrument of deaths or murders.

You can outlaw anything, including lawnmowers, but people who want to kill themselves or others will find a way.

Good thing not too many lawn mowers find their way into classrooms.

[Kenswing]

We should just ban intercourse because life is a fatal sexually transmitted disease.. We're all going to die.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

A lawnmower has been used to murder someone, at least in a fictional story. The Lawnmower Man - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lawnmower_Man)

Karl did away with Doyle in Slingblade with a lawnmower blade.

[fw102807]

We should just ban intercourse because life is a fatal sexually transmitted disease.. We're all going to die.

According to the Business Insider article the beds themselves are quite dangerous.

[graciegirl]

Realism defines the wise man.

When a group or a person becomes more polarized and brings up things that are far fetched, debate goes out the door, just like when name calling is used.

[Villagesperson]

Realism defines the wise man.

When a group or a person becomes more polarized and brings up things that are far fetched, debate goes out the door, just like when name calling is used.

Where would you hear any name calling in this country ?

[GoodLife]

Where would you hear any name calling in this country ?

So far in this thread there's been maybe one "name calling" Gun nuts

I find the whole gun control debate out of focus when car accidents, poisonings, suicides etc outrank student homicides by gun by large margins.

Want to save the students? Pay attention to major causes.

[Kenswing]

So far in this thread there's been maybe one "name calling" Gun nuts

I find the whole gun control debate out of focus when car accidents, poisonings, suicides etc outrank student homicides by gun by large margins.

Want to save the students? Pay attention to major causes.And one of the largest causes of death? Doctors..

[GoodLife]

Good thing not too many lawn mowers find their way into classrooms.

Outlaw guns and sociopaths will just switch to renting 2 ton trucks and mowing down people like they have in Europe.

[Polar Bear]

WHAT, I now have to agree...with you? :22yikes:


Keeeripes! :oops:
Not again!!??!! One more time I have to totally rethink my position! ;)

[BobnBev]

I'll take a good ole' AK-47 anyday of the week.:popcorn:

[villagerjack]

Should Ford and GM be boycotted for manufacturing products that kill and maim?

Ban automobiles?

Increase driving age to 21?


Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad

[fw102807]

Should Ford and GM be boycotted for manufacturing products that kill and maim?

Ban automobiles?

Increase driving age to 21?


Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad

Definitely not GM

[villagerjack]

Point is that if these kids wanted to be more effective in saving lives they should advocate for raising the driving age to 21. Thousands of teens are killed every year in auto accidents, far exceeding those killed by guns. These kids are being manipulated for political purposes at a very fragile time in their lives. So sad.

[Polar Bear]

Should Ford and GM be boycotted for manufacturing products that kill and maim?

Ban automobiles?

Increase driving age to 21?


Annual United States Road Crash Statistics

Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
To those who make such inane arguments...does INTENT not matter at all to you??

[GoodLife]

To those who make such inane arguments...does INTENT not matter at all to you??

Dead is Dead, whatever the cause. Why don't you make a "non inane" argument for why death by lawnmower is less important than death by AR 15 even though lawnmower deaths are greater. We all realize murder is bad, but outlawing guns will not stop murders. Getting chewed up falling off a lawnmower is also bad even though there is no intent on the part of the machine.. What you find evil is human intent to kill. This is against the law already. Trying to outlaw the instruments humans use to kill is useless.

[DonH57]

About three years ago my lawnmower started acting sketchy and came after me. It's now double locked in a storage facility, spark plug removed, and people mow our lawn. Their mower is much larger and powerful. When they're here I do a head count, keep the windows closed, doors locked and stay inside.

[Polar Bear]

...Why don't you make a "non inane" argument for why death by lawnmower is less important than death by AR 15...
Your words. Not mine.

Nevertheless...

...human intent to kill...
You answered your own question.

[manaboutown]

Think I'd rather be shot than mowed!

[fw102807]

About three years ago my lawnmower started acting sketchy and came after me. It's now double locked in a storage facility, spark plug removed, and people mow our lawn. Their mower is much larger and powerful. When they're here I do a head count, keep the windows closed, doors locked and stay inside.

:a20:

[Taltarzac725]

OSHA seeing an ‘alarming’ number of lawnmower deaths | KXAN.com (http://kxan.com/2016/04/18/osha-seeing-an-alarming-number-of-lawnmower-deaths/)

Some of these deaths by lawnmowers are by drowning when their lawnmower flips over by water and they are pinned in water by the lawnmower.

I used to mow a lot of lawns including that of a guy who became a USAF General but fortunately we just hire other people to do ours.

I too though get away from lawnmowers whenever they are around.

[jebartle]

Dead is Dead, whatever the cause. Why don't you make a "non inane" argument for why death by lawnmower is less important than death by AR 15 even though lawnmower deaths are greater. We all realize murder is bad, but outlawing guns will not stop murders. Getting chewed up falling off a lawnmower is also bad even though there is no intent on the part of the machine.. What you find evil is human intent to kill. This is against the law already. Trying to outlaw the instruments humans use to kill is useless.

You might want to check statistics of mass murder in Japan, none..
One gun per 100 peeps in Japan, 110 guns per 100 peeps in US...Hmmmm!

[GoodLife]

You might want to check statistics of mass murder in Japan, none..
One gun per 100 peeps in Japan, 110 guns per 100 peeps in US...Hmmmm!

In the early hours of Tuesday, a man entered a care center for mentally disabled people in Japan’s Kanagawa prefecture, about 30 miles west of Tokyo, and embarked on a stabbing rampage. According to initial reports, the 26-year-old man, named as Satoshi Uematsu, was a former employee at the facility, and may have been upset about being fired. He later turned himself in at the nearby Tsukui police station, having killed 19 people and wounding 25 more.

more here

Japan: Recent Mass Killings | Time (http://time.com/4423216/mass-killings-japan-tsukui/)

[tophcfa]

I am way more afraid of getting killed by someone texting while driving than anything else. It's why I sold my motorcycle, way to many close calls.

[jebartle]

In the early hours of Tuesday, a man entered a care center for mentally disabled people in Japan’s Kanagawa prefecture, about 30 miles west of Tokyo, and embarked on a stabbing rampage. According to initial reports, the 26-year-old man, named as Satoshi Uematsu, was a former employee at the facility, and may have been upset about being fired. He later turned himself in at the nearby Tsukui police station, having killed 19 people and wounding 25 more.

more here

Japan: Recent Mass Killings | Time (http://time.com/4423216/mass-killings-japan-tsukui/)

No guns...gas and knives AND VERY infrequent !

[jebartle]

No one wants to take guns away from responsible gun owners, problem, how to find those that are NOT!

[nututv]

No one wants to take guns away from responsible gun owners
Must disagree there. Politicians have always preferred un-armed peasants.
Compare gun deaths to auto and plane deaths and you tell me what's more dangerous.
1. How many guns were involved in 9-11. No guns used and it shut our entire country down in the blink of an eye.
2. How many in the OKC bombing? Fertizilzer, diesel fuel and a rental truck. No guns used for mass casualties.
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Many here have issues with "assault rifles" like the one I own. You say they carry too many rounds and I shouldn't be able to own one. They serve no purpose... etc, etc. Let me ask all the anti gunners out there that have sports cars such as the Corvette (I'll call that a sports car for arguments sake only).
Why do you own a car that's capable of 3 times the national speed limit? Shouldn't you be crushing them all and buying a Smart car?
The US does not have a gun problem, we have mental problems. The same govt you want (and feel comfy with) controlling guns is the same govt that failed over 40 TIMES stopping that nut case is South Florida.
If that isn't a case to own a gun I don't know what is. Remember. When seconds count, the "first responders" will be there in minutes. Hope you all feel safe.

[fw102807]

You might want to check statistics of mass murder in Japan, none..
One gun per 100 peeps in Japan, 110 guns per 100 peeps in US...Hmmmm!

Japan could not be more far removed from the US in population, culture and justice system. The European countries have had military guards with scary looking weapons at all vulnerable locations, like airports and tourist attractions, for decades.

[GoodLife]

No guns...gas and knives AND VERY infrequent !

I was responding to your post that said "none"