Tiger Woods Injured

[bestmickey]

CNN is reporting that Tiger Woods has been "seriously injured" in an auto accident. "He has suffered facial lacerations." As reported, he was pulling out of his driveway at home, hit a fire hydrant and then a tree. He lives in Windemere, Orange County. The press release says it was not alcohol related.

It sounds quite bizarre. I don't understand how one can get seriously injured pulling out of a driveway, just repeating what the report claims. He wasn't driving a Toyota (where the gas pedal may be stuck), he was driving a 2009 Cadillac SUV.

Here's hoping the reports are exaggerated and that Tiger has a quick recovery.

[diskman]

CNN is reporting that Tiger Woods has been "seriously injured" in an auto accident. "He has suffered facial lacerations." As reported, he was pulling out of his driveway at home, hit a fire hydrant and then a tree. He lives in Windemere, Orange County. The press release says it was not alcohol related.

It sounds quite bizarre. I don't understand how one can get seriously injured pulling out of a driveway, just repeating what the report claims. He wasn't driving a Toyota (where the gas pedal may be stuck), he was driving a 2009 Cadillac SUV.

Here's hoping the reports are exaggerated and that Tiger has a quick recovery.

Reuters reporting that World number one golfer Tiger Woods was seriously injured in a car accident on Friday, a Florida newspaper reported. :22yikes:

The Orlando Sentinel, citing the Florida Highway Patrol, said Woods’ car struck a fire hydrant and a tree in Florida’s Isleworth community, near Orlando.

[bestmickey]

Tiger's publicist now reports that Tiger was in a "minor accident", has been treated and released from the hospital. YEAH!

[graciegirl]

We are HUGE fans of Tiger Woods and were so deflated when the breaking news came in about his "serious injuries". We were enjoying watching the Cincinnati Bearcats win and suddenly we felt like someone we knew was hurt.

So glad to hear he is o.k. BUT...the accident just doesn't seem right. It was in the middle of the night, well really early this morning and he crashed into a neighbors tree. If it wasn't alcohol, what was it? I hope whatever it was he learned not to do it again.

[bestmickey]

Well Gracie, according to my fav rag paper (New York Post), the accident capped a bad week for Tiger. Apparently, the Enquirer reported that Tiger has been having an affair with an event planner. Perhaps Tiger and his wife had a fight and he stormed out and drove badly while mad. That's my guess anyway. Too bad. I thought more highly of Tiger. :throwtomatoes:

[katezbox]

Or maybe, having been playing in Asia, his days and nights were mixed up and he was going for a drive to relax. Or maybe one of the children was sick and he was running out for juice or cough syrup or Tylenol. Let's stop the rumor mill here. No one deserves to be slandered just for driving at 2:30 a.m.

[Ooper]

I don't understand how one can get seriously injured pulling out of a driveway, just repeating what the report claims. He wasn't driving a Toyota (where the gas pedal may be stuck), he was driving a 2009 Cadillac SUV.

Here's hoping the reports are exaggerated and that Tiger has a quick recovery.

Tiger was initially labeled as being seriously injured because of the fact that he was taken away in an ambulance. No matter what the injuries consist of, if you are hauled away in an ambulance, the injuries are classified as "serious" until evaluated by a doctor at the hospital.

[chuckinca]

It was reported that Mrs Tiger saved him from the damaged SUV by breaking the rear window with a golf club. Guess Mrs Tiger carries a golf club at home in case Tiger gets the urge to hit one or maybe she was chasing him down the drive with it ???


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[islandgal]

All the "rags" are reporting that he has been having an affair with a bombshell-looking blond. I have a hard time believing that - he has way too much at stake. Will have to check it out in the grocery line checkout.:1rotfl:

[joannej]

I thought he was trying to catch those fabulous day-after Thanksgiving sales by getting there early!!!! (Only a joke)

[JimJoe]

Let's wait for the true facts.

[Whalen]

Tiger should have taken the Letterman approach.
Go public, admit to whatever he was doing a 2am, say I'm so sorry and go on.

[cashman]

should tell everybody to mind their own business. This is a private matter.

[Russ_Boston]

not necessarily. Damage to another person's property is a matter of public record and the accident report is also public record.

The reason behind the crash may be private and he can just say 'no comment' if he wishes.

[NormaJean]

Joannej, I love your sense of humor. Keep smiling.

[collie1228]

The New York Times reports that Woods was unconscious and lying in the road for "nearly four and one-half minutes". And his airbags did not deploy, so he must have been traveling at less than 30 MPH. Very strange. His PR flacks can say "no comment" all they want, but until Tiger stands up and tells the truth, the press will hound him relentlessly. There may well be a good explanation, but until he gives it to the press, his life is going to be hell.

[graciegirl]

If he wasn't going fast enough to deploy the airbags. Could Elin have used the golf club on him?

This is how stories get started.

Curiousity killed the cat.

I hope all that garbage isn't true on the web about his having an affair.

[graciegirl]

Here is a link from a very unreliable source. Say it ain't so Tiger!

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/28/tiger-woods-elin-nordegren-fight-accident-suv-lacerations/

[Russ_Boston]

I'll bet that is pretty close to the truth Gracie.

Makes more sense than her bashing the 'rear' window of a huge Escalade to save hubby. She's coming from the house - why not just get the extra set of keys? She went back to the house and grabbed a club?

I mean 'who cares', it's not our business if they were arguing etc. But since this is Tiger, the best case scenario would be complete truth to end any talk.

My guess is that since they know what is on the 911 tape (which will be made public in a week) they are trying to fashion a story that goes with the recording.

Stay tuned!

[cashman]

I heard from an unreliable source that Tiger and his wife were playing a round of midnite golf and one of them cheated by not counting all of their strokes.

The ensuing argument lead to a scratching contest. They broke the car windows and faked an accident to cover up their fight.

They left their kids alone for one minute and rumour has it that the kids will be suing them for neglegence. The court will probably give custody of the kids to Mark Omeara.

The various mistresses are going to sue also. Lawyers figure that Tiger will lose all of his money and be on welfare.

He will lose his playing card and return to the Nations Tour to try to requalify
for the regular PGA tour.

His various charity organizations are already thinking of returning some of his donations because they expect him to be so needy.

His CPA's are worried because he deducted the donations. When they are returned they will be taxable so his Lawyers will be asking the judge to leave Tiger with enough to pay his taxes. The mistresses it is said will probably not agree to these requests.

When I get more updates from my sources I will bring them to you as fast as I can because I see how important Tiger's private life is to you.

[GatbTester]

Come on people, I dare say that most of us have had accidents with our autos in one form or another and have caused some damage to ourselves or others. Let us give this guy and his family a break! He was not arrested, therefore the police did not find anything out of order, number one. Number two this is a private problem for the Wood's family to sort through, none of our business.....period!:ohdear::ohdear:

[Russ_Boston]

All I'm saying is that the reason behind it is private and he can choose to say something or not.

BUT

Let's not kid ourselves. When you or I or anyone have a public accident some things are not private. The 911 call is public record. The police report is public record. What people say at the scene that is heard by others is public record.

I'm just suggesting that Tiger, for his family's sake, should just say exactly what happened to STOP the talk. If that doesn't happen then the TMZ's of the world will hound him and his family even more than they do now.

I don't see anything about Letterman since he told the truth. This is a whole PR thing at this point.

[JeanneBeannie]

:agree::agree::agree:

[graciegirl]

Come on people, I dare say that most of us have had accidents with our autos in one form or another and have caused some damage to ourselves or others. Let us give this guy and his family a break! He was not arrested, therefore the police did not find anything out of order, number one. Number two this is a private problem for the Wood's family to sort through, none of our business.....period!:ohdear::ohdear:

That if I had caught Sweetie foolin' around with some fancy woman I would take my Big Bertha to his head!:a20:

[tony]

How 'bout if she wasn't fancy? Just some plain woman?
:eek:

[chelsea24]

Looks like Tiger couldn't keep his "wood" at home and was getting his "strokes" elsewhere!

I'll never really understand the male mentality. Here is, yet another, man that has much to lose but can't see beyond his fly. And all for what??? A few minutes of guilty pleasure? And besides all the fans and money he stands to lose, couldn't he think of his children? Sigh.

Well, I would say this time his wife shot a hole in one -- right in his head! And, if all is true, he deserves it! :ohdear:

[KathieI]

Looks like Tiger couldn't keep his "wood" at home and was getting his "strokes" elsewhere!

I'll never really understand the male mentality. Here is, yet another, man that has much to lose but can't see beyond his fly. And all for what??? A few minutes of guilty pleasure? And besides all the fans and money he stands to lose, couldn't he think of his children? Sigh.

Well, I would say this time his wife shot a hole in one -- right in his head! And, if all is true, he deserves it! :ohdear:

:agree::agree:Chels, you really are toooooo clever!!! :1rotfl:

[arabianhorse59]

Ok, from what I'm reading in the police report released this AM, Tiger and his wife were having a very loud argument about his fling with this Rachel woman in Australia. Tiger in a heated rage backed out of the driveway going about 40 MPH (long driveway!!) and hit the hydrant. Then he spun his wheels and crashed into the tree. Now, where it gets fuzzy is the wife busting out the windows with his Nike driver, which he didn't pay for so who cares? HE claims she was chasing him with it down the driveway and that's why he left so fast. SHE claims she was trying to bust out the windows to get him out of the Escalade. Hmmmm.

Moral? Keep those pants zipped up, guys! It always comes back to haunt you!:mad:

[Irish Rover]

Hey Chelsea - here's another spin - it's just like the Garden of Eden where the woman enticed the poor guy into a bite of apple. It's just history repeating itself but in Australia. I could be wrong but it's a thought and it's from a man's perspective. :icon_wink:

[arabianhorse59]

OHHHHH..his WIFE hit him with the golf club and split his lip open like a melon! WOW! Hell hath no fury...:boxing2: I wonder if she'll get arrested??

[graciegirl]

OHHHHH..his WIFE hit him with the golf club and split his lip open like a melon! WOW! Hell hath no fury...:boxing2: I wonder if she'll get arrested??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRN3umyXTk

[Yoda]

Why doesn't the press and the fans just mind thier own business.

We should give Tiger Woods a HIP HIP DUMBASS! and move on. Let he and his wife work it out.

Just another opinion.

Yoda

[redwitch]

Yoda, I'm with you. According to credible sources, the "other woman" has adamantly denied that there was any sort of affair, tryst or much of anything else.

Tiger is one athelete who truly has been a class act from the day he turned pro. If he did make a mistake, it should be NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

We can be crass and rude, make bad jokes and speculate and gossip all we want or we can take the high road and leave this as a private matter. Personally, I always liked hills, so I'll stick with the high road.

[Irish Rover]

I agree with the fact that he appears to be a gentleman and has since his first tournament, BUT did you know that he's the highest fined player on tour because of his language and outbursts? Doesn't necessarily make him a bad person but maybe we should all just wait and see what comes of this.

[graciegirl]

When a person chooses a career that makes him a "performer on the world stage" it goes with the territory that people will be interested in all aspects of his life. If you read my first post on this thread I say how worried and sad we felt when it was announced he was "seriously injured".

I guess it is in an effort to make light of what appears to be disappointing behavior on the part of a really nice young man some of us are making jokes, kind of "gallows humor" I guess.

His dad would have kicked his butt if any of these rumors are true.

My other golf idol, Jack Nicklaus, originally from Columbus, OHIO (A great place) has NEVER let me down.

I hope all this trash talk is false, and if it is not, I hope he learns he almost lost something very, very important.

[Freeda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRN3umyXTk

Oh, goodness; I was going to stay out of this; but I had to confess, Gracie, that that was the same song that I had thought of, so I had to let you know that you read my mind. I suspect that our beloved Tiger has gotten something that he, unfortunately, provoked; but thankfully for all concerned it was nothing as drastic as the consequences the guys in the 'Chicago' song suffered.

The fury of a woman scorned, revealed; and not, of course, to condone violence, but I am not sure that any of us can be certain that we would react differently in a similar situation; I think that people too often fail to realize that serious danger is a very real and inherent risk of unfaithfulness.

I do feel sorry for both he and his beautiful wife, who seems like such a nice lady, not just for something painful occurring in their relationship, but also for the publicity; but with him being such a public figure for his success, some degree of attention when bad news occurs is also inescapable.

[BogeyBoy]

I agree with the fact that he appears to be a gentleman and has since his first tournament, BUT did you know that he's the highest fined player on tour because of his language and outbursts? Doesn't necessarily make him a bad person but maybe we should all just wait and see what comes of this.

But the same sources that say he is the highest fined player also concede that he is the most watched player, and with the attention he gets even a burp gets on the camera. Now if you're number 243 on the money list you can say #%&&*@@## all day, break every club in your bag, and no one would notice.

[collie1228]

I just read Tiger's statement, and the report in the New York Times that he is refusing to talk to the police, on advice of counsel. It is a "private matter" they say. I say that he must at least be charged with reckless driving. Even with no alcohol involved, he must have driven recklessly in order to hit a hydrant and a tree on exiting his driveway. Maybe if he's charged he'll change his mind about his right to silence.

[Tweety Bird]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRN3umyXTk

This is SOOOOOOO sexy. oooooo lah lah!

[Irish Rover]

BogeyBoy - you are probably correct in stating that nobody notices when #243 swears or throws clubs (they are rarely shown on TV), but when you are a role model you are held to higher standard. Tiger went over $1,000,000 if fines in a recent year and a lot of his tirades were caught on TV. People look up to this fellow and expect him to take the high road. I don't know anyone in my circle of friends who could put off the Highway Patrol for three days and get away with it. I really don't care what motivated or caused this situation, but there should be some accountability to go along with fame and fan adoration. He used public services to get to the hospital. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to keep this going and I won't comment again on the subject. Have a great day.:)

[mitchbr47]

It is not too often that Tiger hits a tree and a water hazard on the same drive.

[chuckinca]

Pic of Tiger's SUV & Tree:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-tiger-woods-car-accident-pictures-113009,0,3204152.story?track=rss

[SteveFromNY]

It is not too often that Tiger hits a tree and a water hazard on the same drive.

Mitch, that's very funny! :a20:

[redwitch]

It is not too often that Tiger hits a tree and a water hazard on the same drive.

That even got a chuckle out of me.

[barb1191]

It is not too often that Tiger hits a tree and a water hazard on the same drive.

GREAT play on words.....b

[KathieI]

It is not too often that Tiger hits a tree and a water hazard on the same drive.

Mitch, I agree with Steve and Barb, that was the best post in this thread!! :coolsmiley:

[mgm4444]

I just read Tiger's statement, and the report in the New York Times that he is refusing to talk to the police, on advice of counsel. It is a "private matter" they say. I say that he must at least be charged with reckless driving. Even with no alcohol involved, he must have driven recklessly in order to hit a hydrant and a tree on exiting his driveway. Maybe if he's charged he'll change his mind about his right to silence.

I'm lost.... how do you "refuse to talk to the police"?....are the laws different in Florida than New York? totallly confused....:shrug:

[snitzel]

The good news in this country is that no one can be forced to talk to the police. It seems to me obvious that the only reason the police want to talk to him is to see if there is something more serious that they can charge him with. Why should he help them? Sure, they have a traffic violation. But that's all.

[Russ_Boston]

I'm lost.... how do you "refuse to talk to the police"?....are the laws different in Florida than New York? totallly confused....:shrug:

In FLA (probably elsewhere as well) for a traffic accident you are only obliged to show license, registration and proof of insurance. And that is what he chose to do.

[mgm4444]

thanks. enlightening. never knew that.

[jtdraig]

Hey, he could have been going to an early bird special sale at Best Buy on Black Friday....probably needs a new TV set if his wife was running amok with a golf club in his house.

Someone said it right...if he just came out and said that he was having a spat and decided to drive off some emotion, this would go away..now it is escalating into places that may or may not have happened.

[GatbTester]

Mitch, I hate you! I wanted to collect all the accolades. Good job buddy!:boxing2:

[ajbrown]

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/tour-insider/woods-says-he-lets-family-down-34094/

Certainly a private matter except IMO it changes the Tiger legacy a bit when compared to a Palmer or Nicklaus....

[Irish Rover]

Hope he had a prenup.:rant-rave:

[graciegirl]

Tiger Woods is so rich that he owns lots of expensive cars. Now he has a hole in one.

· What's the difference between a car and a golf ball? Tiger can drive a ball 400 yards.

· Tiger Woods wasn't seriously injured in the crash, but he's still below par.

· What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2.30 in the morning? They went clubbing

· Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn't decide between a wood and an iron.

· Ping just offered Elin Woods an endorsement contract pushing her own set of drivers. They said to named Elin Woods..."clubs you can beat Tiger with."

· Tiger just changed his nickname but still kept it in the cat family--his new name?: Cheetah

· Since Tiger drives an Escalade, can he blame the accident on his caddy?

· Hello Mister Woods this is the On Star operator we have detected that an angry person has put a golf club through your window, we are contacting Nike for a replacement club.

· Heck who amongst us doesn't hear a car crash and immediately grab the closest golf club we can find??!!!

[rshoffer]

Tiger Woods is so rich that he owns lots of expensive cars. Now he has a hole in one.

· What's the difference between a car and a golf ball? Tiger can drive a ball 400 yards.

· Tiger Woods wasn't seriously injured in the crash, but he's still below par.

· What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2.30 in the morning? They went clubbing

· Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn't decide between a wood and an iron.

· Ping just offered Elin Woods an endorsement contract pushing her own set of drivers. They said to named Elin Woods..."clubs you can beat Tiger with."

· Tiger just changed his nickname but still kept it in the cat family--his new name?: Cheetah

· Since Tiger drives an Escalade, can he blame the accident on his caddy?

· Hello Mister Woods this is the On Star operator we have detected that an angry person has put a golf club through your window, we are contacting Nike for a replacement club.

· Heck who amongst us doesn't hear a car crash and immediately grab the closest golf club we can find??!!! One of my training directors once said, "The tall trees take the breeze". Tiger is the tallest tree in sports. Now he's in a hurricaine.

[Russ_Boston]

But this hurricane is self induced.

A rich powerful man has numerous women looking for their 15 min. Not a real surprise to me. Not that his life should be exposed like this but it comes with the territory in today's TMZ world.

As far as Nicklaus, Palmer or anyone else from the past goes - Let's remember that reporters in the 'old' days would cover up for their 'man'. Just look at how the JFK affairs were covered up vs. how the Bill Clinton affairs were exposed. Let's be careful of thinking that people today are much different than people of yesterday when it comes to temptations. Today we just have much more access.

[RCT]

Tiger Woods is so rich that he owns lots of expensive cars. Now he has a hole in one.

· What's the difference between a car and a golf ball? Tiger can drive a ball 400 yards.

· Tiger Woods wasn't seriously injured in the crash, but he's still below par.

· What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2.30 in the morning? They went clubbing

· Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn't decide between a wood and an iron.

· Ping just offered Elin Woods an endorsement contract pushing her own set of drivers. They said to named Elin Woods..."clubs you can beat Tiger with."

· Tiger just changed his nickname but still kept it in the cat family--his new name?: Cheetah

· Since Tiger drives an Escalade, can he blame the accident on his caddy?

· Hello Mister Woods this is the On Star operator we have detected that an angry person has put a golf club through your window, we are contacting Nike for a replacement club.

· Heck who amongst us doesn't hear a car crash and immediately grab the closest golf club we can find??!!! This is in very poor taste and class. Remember, lest ye be judged?? I read this whole thred just now, and realize now I shouldn't have. Seems like alot of people seem to be happy, when life's problems affect famous people. It's sad.

[Taj44]

But this hurricane is self induced.

A rich powerful man has numerous women looking for their 15 min. Not a real surprise to me. Not that his life should be exposed like this but it comes with the territory in today's TMZ world.

As far as Nicklaus, Palmer or anyone else from the past goes - Let's remember that reporters in the 'old' days would cover up for their 'man'. Just look at how the JFK affairs were covered up vs. how the Bill Clinton affairs were exposed. Let's be careful of thinking that people today are much different than people of yesterday when it comes to temptations. Today we just have much more access.

Exactly. It suprises me that men such as Clinton and Tiger think they can "get away with it". With the constant media scrutiny, I think it would be about impossible. I feel sorry for his wife, but maybe they can work things out.

[SteveFromNY]

Exactly. It suprises me that men such as Clinton and Tiger think they can "get away with it". With the constant media scrutiny, I think it would be about impossible. I feel sorry for his wife, but maybe they can work things out.

The guy's a GOLFER, not the president of the US. He's one of the greatest ever, but he's still just a golfer. WHO CARES what he does off the course? Where is it written that someone with a special talent for one thing must do everything else correctly? As a society, we idolize people with one special talent, and put them on pedestals and expect their lives to be perfect and set examples for everyone. Why? I always remember Daryl Strawberry - such a talented kid. Let's give him millions of dollars and then be surprised when this kid isn't perfect. We're idiots for expecting so much from our sports figures.
Let's let him sort out his personal life with his wife on his own and move on to something else.

[collie1228]

Sure he deserves privacy. So does Nike. I'm sure that they wish this hadn't happened - they have a multi-million multi-year investment in this yahoo, and he threw them under the bus. Jesper Parnavik was quoted as saying that he needs to apologize to Elin, as he and his wife introduced her to TW. Jesper said “We probably thought he was a better guy than he is. I would probably need to apologize to her.”. Ouch!

[BobKat1]

Fortunately, in a couple more days this will begin to fade from the news of the day and something else will take its place. Life will go on....

[Russ_Boston]

The guy's a GOLFER, not the president of the US. He's one of the greatest ever, but he's still just a golfer. WHO CARES what he does off the course? Where is it written that someone with a special talent for one thing must do everything else correctly? As a society, we idolize people with one special talent, and put them on pedestals and expect their lives to be perfect and set examples for everyone. Why? I always remember Daryl Strawberry - such a talented kid. Let's give him millions of dollars and then be surprised when this kid isn't perfect. We're idiots for expecting so much from our sports figures.
Let's let him sort out his personal life with his wife on his own and move on to something else.

I don't see many people saying that they care what he does or putting him on a pedestal. Most of us have just pointed out that he indeed is human. I'd say the most basic reaction around my office is "nothing real surprising here". Agree that an affair(s) is between the husband and the wife but when you are a 'celebrity' then it (the TMZ's of the world) goes with the territory like it or not.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

Hey! lighten up on Graciegirl!!
Like jokes never happened to anyone else in the public eye.

[another Linda]

Hey! lighten up on Graciegirl!!
Like jokes never happened to anyone else in the public eye.

I second that!!!

[graciegirl]

It's really not funny. But it was his choice. He didn't HAVE to do it and HE didn't get leprosy or polio. He got laid.

It is definitely not funny to his wife and his sweet little kids are gonna read about it one of these days.

Back in my neighborhood when someone messed up the answer was, If you burn your butt you sit on the blister.

I gotta hand it to him. He owned it. Now what he does with the rest of his life is his to choose.

I would guess that particularly in this community of people who have lived several decades that most of us have made some big mistakes and lots of little ones. It's what we do after that that is the measure of a man....or a woman.

[another Linda]

It's really not funny. But it was his choice. He didn't HAVE to do it and HE didn't get leprosy or polio. He got laid.

It is definitly not funny to his wife and his sweet little kids are gonna read about it one of these days.

Back in my neighborhood when someone messed up the answer was, If you burn your butt you sit on the blister.

I gotta hand it to him. He owned it. Now what he does with the rest of his life is his to chose.

I would guess that particularly in this community of people who have lived several decades that most of us have made some big mistakes and lots of little ones. It's what we do after that that is the measure of a man....or a woman.

whoa! you go girl!

[The Great Fumar]

It's really not funny. But it was his choice. He didn't HAVE to do it and HE didn't get leprosy or polio. He got laid.

It is definitly not funny to his wife and his sweet little kids are gonna read about it one of these days.

Back in my neighborhood when someone messed up the answer was, If you burn your butt you sit on the blister.

I gotta hand it to him. He owned it. Now what he does with the rest of his life is his to chose.

I would guess that particularly in this community of people who have lived several decades that most of us have made some big mistakes and lots of little ones. It's what we do after that that is the measure of a man....or a woman.

I MAY BE THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT ,,,,,

SQUEAKY CLEAN FUMAR............:22yikes:

[redwitch]

Gracie, I only have one comment .....

YOU ROCK!!!

[Freeda]

I MAY BE THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT ,,,,,

SQUEAKY CLEAN FUMAR............:22yikes:


Fumar! What is the secret to your success!? Inquiring minds want to know!

[Russ_Boston]

Fumar! What is the secret to your success!? Inquiring minds want to know!

"A man's fidelity is proportionate to the depth of his opportunities" Anonymous

[chuckinca]

Maybe I missed it - why did he run is car into trees and fire hydrants at 2 AM?

Did getting caught playing around make him blind?


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[SteveFromNY]

I don't see many people saying that they care what he does or putting him on a pedestal. Most of us have just pointed out that he indeed is human. I'd say the most basic reaction around my office is "nothing real surprising here". Agree that an affair(s) is between the husband and the wife but when you are a 'celebrity' then it (the TMZ's of the world) goes with the territory like it or not.
Russ, I don't the problem is TMZ or Entertainment TV. These shows are driven by ratings and it's all the viewers that drive the TMZ's of the world, not the other way around. Maybe no one here cares what he does, but lot's of other people must or he wouldn't still be news.
For me Tiger's plight is only one of the countless details about celebrities reported on that I don't have any interest in.

[Russ_Boston]

I see your point Steve. But the mere fact that we, here on TOTV, or in my office talk about it shows that it is different for celebs. One of the things that drives ratings is the fact that even non-celeb shows talk about what TMZ.com is reporting. They claim that they take the high road but just mentioning it means that they are not. I'm guilty as well by continuing this conversation on this medium. I wish him and his family the best but the divorce rate in this country flirts with 50% for a reason.

[Taj44]

The guy's a GOLFER, not the president of the US. He's one of the greatest ever, but he's still just a golfer. WHO CARES what he does off the course? Where is it written that someone with a special talent for one thing must do everything else correctly? As a society, we idolize people with one special talent, and put them on pedestals and expect their lives to be perfect and set examples for everyone. Why? I always remember Daryl Strawberry - such a talented kid. Let's give him millions of dollars and then be surprised when this kid isn't perfect. We're idiots for expecting so much from our sports figures.
Let's let him sort out his personal life with his wife on his own and move on to something else.

Wrong or right, I think people expected a little more from Tiger than we do from other athletes for several reasons. Other than John Daly, golf has not had the scandals of drugs, alcohol, etc. that other sports seem to generate. Golf is known as a game of "doing the right thing". It is an honorable game where you call penalties on yourself even if no one is watching. Golfers like Jack Nicholas and Phil Mickelson and Arnold Palmer are popular for their golf but also are known for being good guys and a family men. Tiger falls into the same category. We've watched him since he was two years old swinging a golf club on TV. We've read about how Earl Woods groomed Tiger to be a golfer and instilled good values in him. Earl intimidated that Tiger was capable of much more than just golf, perhaps even political office.

Tiger Woods has always been perceived by the public to be a model athlete and person of good morals, certainly a hero to many young people. How many athletes do we see in other sports that have something akin to The Tiger Woods Foundation? And interestingly, the Tiger Woods Foundation calls itself a "nationwide character development program". As such, Tiger's dalliances with trashy women have struck a nerve with the public. If he was an ordinary guy we would all leave him and his wife alone and hope they could work it out, but his celebrity status will obviously make him a target of public discussion and scrutiny. You can't get paid millions in advertising endorsement dollars to have your name plastered on all sorts of products, and expect the public to ignore you. The money comes with a certain responsibility.

[graciegirl]

Wrong or right, I think people expected a little more from Tiger than we do from other athletes for several reasons. Other than John Daly, golf has not had the scandals of drugs, alcohol, etc. that other sports seem to generate. Golf is known as a game of "doing the right thing". It is an honorable game where you call penalties on yourself even if no one is watching. Golfers like Jack Nicholas and Phil Mickelson and Arnold Palmer are popular for their golf but also are known for being good guys and a family men. Tiger falls into the same category. We've watched him since he was two years old swinging a golf club on TV. We've read about how Earl Woods groomed Tiger to be a golfer and instilled good values in him. Earl intimidated that Tiger was capable of much more than just golf, perhaps even political office.

Tiger Woods has always been perceived by the public to be a model athlete and person of good morals, certainly a hero to many young people. How many athletes do we see in other sports that have something akin to The Tiger Woods Foundation? And interestingly, the Tiger Woods Foundation calls itself a "nationwide character development program". As such, Tiger's dalliances with trashy women have struck a nerve with the public. If he was an ordinary guy we would all leave him and his wife alone and hope they could work it out, but his celebrity status will obviously make him a target of public discussion and scrutiny. You can't get paid millions in advertising endorsement dollars to have your name plastered on all sorts of products, and expect the public to ignore you. The money comes with a certain responsibility.

Beautifully thought out and well written. I cannot agree more with every word you say.

[katezbox]

Wrong or right, I think people expected a little more from Tiger than we do from other athletes for several reasons. Other than John Daly, golf has not had the scandals of drugs, alcohol, etc. that other sports seem to generate. Golf is known as a game of "doing the right thing". It is an honorable game where you call penalties on yourself even if no one is watching. Golfers like Jack Nicholas and Phil Mickelson and Arnold Palmer are popular for their golf but also are known for being good guys and a family men. Tiger falls into the same category. We've watched him since he was two years old swinging a golf club on TV. We've read about how Earl Woods groomed Tiger to be a golfer and instilled good values in him. Earl intimidated that Tiger was capable of much more than just golf, perhaps even political office.

Tiger Woods has always been perceived by the public to be a model athlete and person of good morals, certainly a hero to many young people. How many athletes do we see in other sports that have something akin to The Tiger Woods Foundation? And interestingly, the Tiger Woods Foundation calls itself a "nationwide character development program". As such, Tiger's dalliances with trashy women have struck a nerve with the public. If he was an ordinary guy we would all leave him and his wife alone and hope they could work it out, but his celebrity status will obviously make him a target of public discussion and scrutiny. You can't get paid millions in advertising endorsement dollars to have your name plastered on all sorts of products, and expect the public to ignore you. The money comes with a certain responsibility.

Taj,

I hear you ...but a couple of points to ponder. First Russ had a great post on how many "opportunities" must come Tiger's way. That doesn't excuse him, but...

We will never know if Jack or Arnie had any sideline romances - the press in their heyday was not the 24/7 paparazzi driven gossip-driven medium then that it is today. Even Phil doesn't garner 10% of the media scutiny that Tiger does.

And I really take exception to the "trashy women" descriptive. Maybe she made a mistake too. Why does the woman always bear the majority of the responsibility?

[katezbox]

It's really not funny. But it was his choice. He didn't HAVE to do it and HE didn't get leprosy or polio. He got laid.

It is definitely not funny to his wife and his sweet little kids are gonna read about it one of these days.

Back in my neighborhood when someone messed up the answer was, If you burn your butt you sit on the blister.

I gotta hand it to him. He owned it. Now what he does with the rest of his life is his to choose.

I would guess that particularly in this community of people who have lived several decades that most of us have made some big mistakes and lots of little ones. It's what we do after that that is the measure of a man....or a woman.

Wow! - I love it.....

[18togo]

"A man's fidelity is proportionate to the depth of his opportunities" Anonymous

Great quote!! Although I do believe once you make a commitment you need to stick with it, it probably is very difficult to have women throwing themselves at you constantly. Wish I had that kind of problem. :D

[ripwho]

As expected the 'tiger escapade' humor is surfacing ....

did I say 'tiger'... I'm sorry.... I mean 'cheetah' ....

(ps - I'm a fan amd will always be ... looking forward to him teeing off at Torrey Pines in Jan 2010)

[Barefoot]

"A man's fidelity is proportionate to the depth of his opportunities" Anonymous


Here is another quote ... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

I'm sure that Tiger's wife has had her share of opportunities. She is gorgeous. I sincerely doubt Tiger would appreciate his wife's infidelity.

[GMONEY]

Wow all the things in this world that we need to worry about, and Tiger is the Main issue. A couple of things have come from this.
a. Tiger is human afterall....
b. Now that Kathi Belich from Channel 9 has worn the Casey Anthony Story to hell and back, she now has someone else to spend all day on breaking news with.

Like Jason Taylor of the Dolphins said, Its his d*#@ Business. Not Ours.

[Taj44]

Taj,

I hear you ...but a couple of points to ponder. First Russ had a great post on how many "opportunities" must come Tiger's way. That doesn't excuse him, but...

We will never know if Jack or Arnie had any sideline romances - the press in their heyday was not the 24/7 paparazzi driven gossip-driven medium then that it is today. Even Phil doesn't garner 10% of the media scutiny that Tiger does.

And I really take exception to the "trashy women" descriptive. Maybe she made a mistake too. Why does the woman always bear the majority of the responsibility?

Calling someone trashy by no means implies she bears the majority of the responsibility. In fact my post said specifically my opinion about Tiger's responsibiliyy. And I call anyone who knowingly fools around with a married man, especially one who has 2 young children, trashy. Just my opinion.

As far as your statement regarding "opportunities that come Tiger's way, but....", its true -if you're a celebrity, you will have tons of gold digger type women throwing themselves at you. It comes with the territory. In my book that doesn't make it okay to cheat on your wife with professional party girls. Again, my opinion.

[katezbox]

Calling someone trashy by no means implies she bears the majority of the responsibility. In fact my post said specifically my opinion about Tiger's responsibiliyy. And I call anyone who knowingly fools around with a married man, especially one who has 2 young children, trashy. Just my opinion.

As far as your statement regarding "opportunities that come Tiger's way, but....", its true -if you're a celebrity, you will have tons of gold digger type women throwing themselves at you. It comes with the territory. In my book that doesn't make it okay to cheat on your wife with professional party girls. Again, my opinion.

Taj - I never meant to allude that opportunity made cheating OK.

And calling someone trashy greatly oversimplifies the situation... because what we don't know is if this was a mistake made once or a few tims with the same person - or a pattern of irresponsible behavior.

To err is human.... As Gracie has said, the true test of a person is how it gets dealt with going forward...

[Taj44]

...And calling someone trashy greatly oversimplifies the situation... because what we don't know is if this was a mistake made once or a few tims with the same person - or a pattern of irresponsible behavior....

The woman said she was with him 20 times. I think that speaks for itself.

[zcaveman]

The woman said she was with him 20 times. I think that speaks for itself.

Which woman? Now there are two that are in the picture if you read today's Orlando Sentinel.

And why does 20 times make her trashy? Maybe Tiger told her she was the one and is leading her on. Maybe the sex is great and that is why they keep getting together.

[GMONEY]

maybe, just maybe and that is strecthing it, you cant believe all you read.. esp... the National enquire and all those other trash papers. Hell i could say i slept with Palin and have Proof and make up a bunch of things, she will the be put the ringer and didnt even get a chance to say a word.

set back and relax, not the end of the world...

[katezbox]

Which woman? Now there are two that are in the picture if you read today's Orlando Sentinel.

And why does 20 times make her trashy? Maybe Tiger told her she was the one and is leading her on. Maybe the sex is great and that is why they keep getting together.

Thank you Z!

And why do we always feel betrayed by a celebrity who slips along the road of life? As Bare said, if we all could practice the golden rule in all aspects of pur lives, we would be better for it.

But, we are human....

[rshoffer]

maybe, just maybe and that is strecthing it, you cant believe all you read.. esp... the National enquire and all those other trash papers. Hell i could say i slept with Palin and have Proof and make up a bunch of things, she will the be put the ringer and didnt even get a chance to say a word.

set back and relax, not the end of the world...
Nope... not the end of THE world.... but certainly the end of Elin's and Tiger's world as they previously knew it. Pretty darn sad.

[Russ_Boston]

Good points Kate.

Also in my discussions with some older friends at work today they mentioned how Arnie's rep isn't really that clean. I don't know if they were referring to anything moral like fidelity or other things but there is a felling that reporters used to cover for him. The point is that like Kate mentioned we will never know due to the lack of 'social' reporters back then compared to now.

I don't look up to any golfer based on what kind of 'man' he is. I like Tiger and Phil and... because of their games. I wish I had their games - not their morals.

[Taj44]

Which woman? Now there are two that are in the picture if you read today's Orlando Sentinel.

And why does 20 times make her trashy? Maybe Tiger told her she was the one and is leading her on. Maybe the sex is great and that is why they keep getting together.

Who said 20 times made her trashy? I said knowingly fooling around with a married man with young children made her trashy, IN MY OPINION. KateZ said maybe she made a mistake, or it was a one time thing, and I just pointed out that wasn't the case. The woman in question admitted the 20 times. If you and Kate think she's something other than trashy you are welcome to YOUR OPINION.

[katezbox]

Who said 20 times made her trashy? I said knowingly fooling around with a married man with young children made her trashy, IN MY OPINION. KateZ said maybe she made a mistake, or it was a one time thing, and I just pointed out that wasn't the case. The woman in question admitted the 20 times. If you and Kate think she's something other than trashy you are welcome to YOUR OPINION.

I am more of the belief that talking about "sleeping with him" 20 times is what may have made her trashy....

I always want to believe in a person's inherent goodness... and how easy it is to be swept away by strong emotions - whether you call it lust or love or great sex. I am far more willing to sympathize with that than I am of someone looking for 15 minutes of fame...

I also think because someone said she slept with Tiger Woods 20 times doesn't make it a fact... I have read little of the media coverage on this because, like Russ, I admire Tiger's golf game. I would like to say I slept with Liam Neeson 20 times (before marriage to Mr. Katezbox, of course) - but I couldn't pull off a story that incredible even here....

Lastly, I just dislike the description "trashy woman." It seems to put the responsibility all on one party and not the other. ...and it's never really that simple.

[rshoffer]

Wow... this thread could trump the Sarah thread.

Anyway.... If you read the today released police reports of the neighbors who were 1st on the scene of the accident. No broken car windows, no golf clubs, no Elin.... Tiger confused, "snoring", asking for help.

My new guess: Elin confronts Tiger earlier Thanksgiving night (Tiger's mom and Elin's mom are in the house). Tiger and Elin retreat to their bedroom,,,, she slaps him damn hard across the chops. He takes an Ambien or two so he can go to sleep...Uh Oh... confused, somnolent (a COMMON Ambien rx) Tiger ends up behind the wheel of the car and barely makes it outta the driveway... CRASH.

I wish I was better at figuring out what possesses a man with a stunning wife and two beautiful children and the entire world at his fingertips to screw (no pun intended) it up for a roll on the hay!? I gotta go back and read Genesis.

[graciegirl]

Tiger is the only child of his parents marriage and in essence the ONLY child, although he had older step siblings. He was the center of his fathers' intense attention, direction, even badgering and was the "victim" of the "coach's kid syndrome". He is obviously a perfectionist. Anyone can see that he would NOT be a good poker player, his face betrays him. He is quick to look frustrated when he fails, misses a putt, etc. AND he doesn't fail very often. He is obviously a private person. He shields his family from the spotlight more than other great golfers have done.

The enormous embarrassment of this situation could very well lead him to awful unrelenting depression and worse.

Sweetie and I were saying that the mistakes we have made in our life did not have to be witnessed by the world.

He is not a "whatever" personality. I hope he makes it through this.


AND do I have guts or what to follow a psychiatrists' post with MY personal views on Tigers mental state.??

[rshoffer]

Tiger is the only child of his parents marriage and in essence the ONLY child, although he had older step siblings. He was the center of his fathers' intense attention, direction, even badgering and was the "victim" of the "coach's kid syndrome". He is obviously a perfectionist. Anyone can see that he would NOT be a good poker player, his face betrays him. He is quick to look frustrated when he fails, misses a putt, etc. AND he doesn't fail very often. He is obviously a private person. He shields his family from the spotlight more than other great golfers have done.

The enormous embarrassment of this situation could very well lead him to awful unrelenting depression and worse.

Sweetie and I were saying that the mistakes we have made in our life did not have to be witnessed by the world.

He is not a "whatever" personality. I hope he makes it through this.


AND do I have guts or what to follow a psychiatrists' post with MY personal views on Tigers mental state.??very, very, insightful thoughts on this mess... I've spent 34 years dealing with peoples emotional and mental struggles. I will go to my grave trying to figure out what posesses a person to destroy everything for sex. I have felt for years that sex becomes like a drug for some... like cocaine.... they keep going back for another and another and another hit.... meanwhile, they leave behind in their wake destroyed credibility, destroyed reputation and career, destroyed finances, destroyed marriage, destroyed children... and they still don't stop.
A GREAT read is the book "Private Lies" "The betrayal of intimacy" by Dr Frank Pittman from Emory Univ in Atlanta. Tiger's probably reading it right now. BTW.... Pitman's follow-up book is entitled... "Grow-Up"!. Everyone should read it.

[Russ_Boston]

Thanks for the insight Doc.

I don't particularly like the term 'sexual addiction' but I think we may end up hearing it in this case. The insight you bring from your practice leads me to believe there may be a place for that.

[Taltarzac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Woods

[graciegirl]

Now AOL is saying that seven women claim to have had a sexual relationship with Tiger Woods. It seems to be very opportunistic on their part because how would he have had time to play golf is this were all true.

[Taltarzac]

Now AOL is saying that seven women claim to have had a sexual relationship with Tiger Woods. It seems to be very opportunistic on their part because how would he have had time to play golf is this were all true.


What is amusing is the image I used to have of Tiger Woods was of an upstanding family man.

One cannot forget how magnetic celebrities are to certain women. Just think about Wilt Chamberlain. Of course, Chamberlain seemed to flaunt his conquests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_life_of_Wilt_Chamberlain

Woods must have been as good about hiding his affairs as he is at putting golf balls into holes.

[PR1234]

On The View today, Barbara Walters was saying nine!!!

[mrdills]

Hay, if Bill Cliton got away with this why can't Tiger........... :1rotfl:

[rshoffer]

7-8-9-10---> in any case he sounds like a horney toad to me... wonder how he stayed focused on golf with his testosterone in overdrive like that.

[Russ_Boston]

7-8-9-10---> horney toad

Is that in the DSM - IV ? :)

[rshoffer]

Nope.... but The Golf Channel web site now has a "witness" who claims Tiger was drinking "earlier" in the day.... (could be as innocent as wine with Thanksgiving dinner).... AND he was on Ambien (see my earlier post) and Vicodin. Ambien +Alcohol= catastrophe... every time.:faint:

I can't imagine Elin can remain under the same roof with him much longer.

[Russ_Boston]

I can't imagine Elin can remain under the same roof with him much longer.

Agreed

[islandgal]

I am so sad about this whole situation.
I lived in Hilton Head Island, SC for 17 years and was involved every year in volunteering for the annual PGA Heritage Golf Tournament which is always a week before the Augusta tournament. Tiger never played there because he always skipped a week between major tournaments.

Let me assure you, there are just as many golf groupies as there are rock star groupies. We would see them year after year and very open about it (unless the wives were with them)!

If the truth be known, Tiger is one of many; however, in my heart, I naively had the opinion that he was different. With the numbers of his infidelities increasing, I am wondering if he is done, finished.

Surely his beloved father didn't know and I am wondering how his mother is handling it - not to mention his wife.
Oh, well..............................sad, very sad

[rshoffer]

I am so sad about this whole situation.
I lived in Hilton Head Island, SC for 17 years and was involved every year in volunteering for the annual PGA Heritage Golf Tournament which is always a week before the Augusta tournament. Tiger never played there because he always skipped a week between major tournaments.

Let me assure you, there are just as many golf groupies as there are rock star groupies. We would see them year after year and very open about it (unless the wives were with them)!

If the truth be known, Tiger is one of many; however, in my heart, I naively had the opinion that he was different. With the numbers of his infidelities increasing, I am wondering if he is done, finished.

Surely his beloved father didn't know and I am wondering how his mother is handling it - not to mention his wife.
Oh, well..............................sad, very sadMy wife and I are serious Tiger groupies.

[islandgal]

rshoffer -

me too, but you know what kind of groupies I'm referring too!

[katezbox]

Nope.... but The Golf Channel web site now has a "witness" who claims Tiger was drinking "earlier" in the day.... (could be as innocent as wine with Thanksgiving dinner).... AND he was on Ambien (see my earlier post) and Vicodin. Ambien +Alcohol= catastrophe... every time.:faint:

I can't imagine Elin can remain under the same roof with him much longer.

Doc,

Having a prescription for Ambien and saying he was "on it" are two VERY different things. I have a prescription for Ambien. It was filled for 30 tablets on 1/21/2009. There are 7 left. There are plenty of days between 1/21/09 and 12/7/09 where I have had a glass of wine (or 3) and not been on Ambien. In the past I have had a prescription for Vicodin due to an injury. Does anyone remember that Tiger has had recent injuries/surgery? Is there any proof that he in fact mixed a cocktail of one, two or three of these substances? Does anyone remember that he just returned from Asia - and may have been so jet lagged that hes judgment was impaired without any substance at all?

Why are we so quick to jump to conclusions? The actual facts in this case are very slim indeed. Let's do unto Tiger as we would have others do unto us ... We live in paradise. We have much to be thankful for - including, in my case, a loving and faithful spouse. Why are we so quick to judge and condemn others? It isn't our job...

[rshoffer]

Doc,

Having a prescription for Ambien and saying he was "on it" are two VERY different things. I have a prescription for Ambien. It was filled for 30 tablets on 1/21/2009. There are 7 left. There are plenty of days between 1/21/09 and 12/7/09 where I have had a glass of wine (or 3) and not been on Ambien. In the past I have had a prescription for Vicodin due to an injury. Does anyone remember that Tiger has had recent injuries/surgery? Is there any proof that he in fact mixed a cocktail of one, two or three of these substances? Does anyone remember that he just returned from Asia - and may have been so jet lagged that hes judgment was impaired without any substance at all?

Why are we so quick to jump to conclusions? The actual facts in this case are very slim indeed. Let's do unto Tiger as we would have others do unto us ... We live in paradise. We have much to be thankful for - including, in my case, a loving and faithful spouse. Why are we so quick to judge and condemn others? It isn't our job...The first person (his neighbor) to get to the crash scene said he was "snoring". The accident occurred at 230 am in (what I believe) is the second largest SUV (behind Hummer) on the road. His speed was so slow the air bags did not deploy. Looking at the pictures of the vehicle, one should have simply walked away.... certainly NOT been "unconscious". Most importantly, he was so "impaired" he barely made it 50 yards out of his driveway before he was off the road and into a hydrant/tree. I'm open to other explanations but I believe prescription drugs (used legally) played a role in his impaired driving and impaired level of consciousness after the accident. i suggest you read the package insert for Ambien.... it specifically warns of this. This is simply a statement of opinion as to what may have caused the accident... no condemnation or passage of judgement implied.

[katezbox]

The first person (his neighbor) to get to the crash scene said he was "snoring". The accident occurred at 230 am in (what I believe) is the second largest SUV (behind Hummer) on the road. His speed was so slow the air bags did not deploy. Looking at the pictures of the vehicle, one should have simply walked away.... certainly NOT been "unconscious". Most importantly, he was so "impaired" he barely made it 50 yards out of his driveway before he was off the road and into a hydrant/tree. I'm open to other explanations but I believe prescription drugs (used legally) played a role in his impaired driving and impaired level of consciousness after the accident. i suggest you read the package insert for Ambien.... it specifically warns of this. This is simply a statement of opinion as to what may have caused the accident... no condemnation or passage of judgement implied.

I have read the package insert for Ambien and completely understand the side effects. I used to travel extensively internationally and it was the only way I could sleep on a plane.

I just don't see why there is need to speculate on how this happened or if it's the end of their marriage

I think that statements such as " :AND he was on Ambien (see my earlier post) and Vicodin. Ambien +Alcohol= catastrophe... every time." or :I can't imagine Elin can remain under the same roof with him much longer. " DO show a passage of judgment and by someone not in possession of all the facts. In fact reading them is much ,ike listening Rachel Maddow or Glenn Beck - two folks to seem to glory in trashing people based on fractions of the truth.

Let's leave judging him to his wife, mother and God. If, as you state, you are a Tiger groupie, let's pray for him to find a way to put this behind them and get on with their lives in the way that is best for them.

[graciegirl]

Golf is our sport. We have both played golf all of our life and so did our parents and even grandparents.

Tiger Woods life was the epitome of the American Dream. I know that we are sad about what has occurred. I think we are trying to understand how this could have happened. Most of us have witnessed divorces. It is very common anymore. Half of the population is divorced. It still is so painful to watch and must be horrible to live through.

I don't know what my fascination with this is....but I run to the TV when something new is posted. It hangs heavy on my heart. I don't know him but I am still trying to understand.

I have plenty of other things to do.

[rshoffer]

Golf is our sport. We have both played golf all of our life and so did our parents and even grandparents.

Tiger Woods life was the epitome of the American Dream. I know that we are sad about what has occurred. I think we are trying to understand how this could have happened. Most of us have witnessed divorces. It is very common anymore. Half of the population is divorced. It still is so painful to watch and must be horrible to live through.

I don't know what my fascination with this is....but I run to the TV when something new is posted. It hangs heavy on my heart. I don't know him but I am still trying to understand.

I have plenty of other things to do.The fascination is that any logical thinking person following this story knows there is more to it than is currently available to the media/fans. Realizing the argument "it is none of our business" what caused the accident is also out there, the world (and now the Florida Highway Patrol)seems to await some explanation why his driving was so impaired. Thus, again this AM, the news reports are abuzz with speculation, theories, etc... investigative reporters remain in a frenzy and the public stops in their tracke and turns up the radio/TV every time tiger's name comes across the airwaves.

[cashman]

Give it some time.

The story that goes down in history will be told by Tiger when he gets ready to tell it.

Until then girls enjoy the dirt.

[katezbox]

Give it some time.

The story that goes down in history will be told by Tiger when he gets ready to tell it.

Until then girls enjoy the dirt.

I think RSH is a "boy"

[schotzyb]

I think RSH is a "boy"

What warrants that comment? He has an opinion about this situation that differs from yours. How does that make him a "boy"?

[katezbox]

What warrants that comment? He has an opinion about this situation that differs from yours. How does that make him a "boy"?

Please read the quote that I commented on. It said, "...until then girls enjoy the dirt."

I stated that RSH was a "boy" not a "girl" Please note that I used quotation marks to call attention to that original comment.

[schotzyb]

My mistake. Just did not see it that way.

[katezbox]

My mistake. Just did not see it that way.

No worries - I did not mean to give offense....

[rshoffer]

What warrants that comment? He has an opinion about this situation that differs from yours. How does that make him a "boy"?I guess my XY chromosome.

[katezbox]

I guess my XY chromosome.

:icon_wink:

[Barefoot]

Wow! Lots of dirt being flung in Tiger's direction. Yep, he screwed up but so have many others, especially when they were young. Perhaps before we fling any more dirt at Tiger we should look in a mirror and see if we are looking at the reflection of a "lilly white puritan" or maybe at someone who sowed their oats in days gone by and didn't get caught.

I feel sorry for the Tiger Woods family, especially Elin and the children.

In my humble opinion, celebrities have transcended the category of "normal young people" by choice. It is predictable human nature that fans will be fascinated with the details of scandals or happy stories.

Celebrities need to be squeeky clean if they going to "put themselves out there" and make millions of dollars from publicity and endorsements.

[billethkid]

Some will drop him. It doesn't matter how good a golfer he is...he is a lecherous, married whore monger and that is not what the public or his sponsers had or has in mind.

If he does come back to play, the announcers will have to clarify their comparisons of him to the previous greats who were honorable family men and good role models......ah as in golf ability only. He is in no way in the same category as Palmer, Nicholson, et al...

Poor kids had to deal with what comes with being in a public figure, weathy environment with a father to be proud of....now their cross has become heavier as they have to deal with the family destruction his moral stupidity has brought down on them.

On the positive side :), he now qualifies to be a politician:clap2:

btk

[Pturner]

I've resisted jumping in. My first instinct was to think that this is none of my business. After all, Tiger is not someone we elected. He didn’t ask to be our hero or our spiritual guide. He earned our awe and admiration by being the best golfer—maybe ever. Have we a right to expect more?

In this light, and in light of my own hero-worship of him, I wanted to see this as a private matter. Yet it doesn’t seem that simple. If the consequences of his actions affected only him and his wife, I'd be sad and sorry— and silent on the subject. Like it or not though, he and his family are not the only potential wounded.

Will the game of golf be hurt? True, golf greatly benefited from his talent and image, but that doesn’t change the fact that it might suffer from his fall from grace. Will his foundation be hurt? True, no one would ever have benefited from his foundation had he not earned the money and fame to create it. But that doesn’t change the fact that a consequence of his alleged “indiscretions” might be diminished contributions. Will cynicism increase, public giving to causes in general decrease, the quest for heroes come to be seen as a dim-witted and outdated endeavor?

Besides, at least some part of his affect on the public good came not only from his talent but also from his image—an image that was carefully crafted by him and his sponsors to make millions. In working to build that image, sell us products, create his foundation, he did ask to be our guide; he did ask to be our hero. In that sense, he cheated on us too.

No, he didn’t owe us a boost in professional golf, an increase in the number of young people taking up the honorable sport, a foundation designed in part to “build character,” or any of the other benefits we undeservedly derived from his talent, drive, ambition and ability. But he gave us those things; and some of the public good he did do could suffer. That would be a shame.

If a measure of a man is how he deals with his mistakes, I hope he will come to see the ways in which this is more than just a private matter. I hope he will work to fix his family and to minimize potential public consequences. I hope he’ll be a hero. Not because he has to, but because he can.

[rshoffer]

I've resisted jumping in. My first instinct was to think that this is none of my business. After all, Tiger is not someone we elected. He didn’t ask to be our hero or our spiritual guide. He earned our awe and admiration by being the best golfer—maybe ever. Have we a right to expect more?

In this light, and in light of my own hero-worship of him, I wanted to see this as a private matter. Yet it doesn’t seem that simple. If the consequences of his actions affected only him and his wife, I'd be sad and sorry— and silent on the subject. Like it or not though, he and his family are not the only potential wounded.

Will the game of golf be hurt? True, golf greatly benefited from his talent and image, but that doesn’t change the fact that it might suffer from his fall from grace. Will his foundation be hurt? True, no one would ever have benefited from his foundation had he not earned the money and fame to create it. But that doesn’t change the fact that a consequence of his alleged “indiscretions” might be diminished contributions. Will cynicism increase, public giving to causes in general decrease, the quest for heroes come to be seen as a dim-witted and outdated endeavor?

Besides, at least some part of his affect on the public good came not only from his talent but also from his image—an image that was carefully crafted by him and his sponsors to make millions. In working to build that image, sell us products, create his foundation, he did ask to be our guide; he did ask to be our hero. In that sense, he cheated on us too.

No, he didn’t owe us a boost in professional golf, an increase in the number of young people taking up the honorable sport, a foundation designed in part to “build character,” or any of the other benefits we undeservedly derived from his talent, drive, ambition and ability. But he gave us those things; and some of the public good he did do could suffer. That would be a shame.

If a measure of a man is how he deals with his mistakes, I hope he will come to see the ways in which this is more than just a private matter. I hope he will work to fix his family and to minimize potential public consequences. I hope he’ll be a hero. Not because he has to, but because he can.:thumbup:

[graciegirl]

I've resisted jumping in. My first instinct was to think that this is none of my business. After all, Tiger is not someone we elected. He didn’t ask to be our hero or our spiritual guide. He earned our awe and admiration by being the best golfer—maybe ever. Have we a right to expect more?

In this light, and in light of my own hero-worship of him, I wanted to see this as a private matter. Yet it doesn’t seem that simple. If the consequences of his actions affected only him and his wife, I'd be sad and sorry— and silent on the subject. Like it or not though, he and his family are not the only potential wounded.

Will the game of golf be hurt? True, golf greatly benefited from his talent and image, but that doesn’t change the fact that it might suffer from his fall from grace. Will his foundation be hurt? True, no one would ever have benefited from his foundation had he not earned the money and fame to create it. But that doesn’t change the fact that a consequence of his alleged “indiscretions” might be diminished contributions. Will cynicism increase, public giving to causes in general decrease, the quest for heroes come to be seen as a dim-witted and outdated endeavor?

Besides, at least some part of his affect on the public good came not only from his talent but also from his image—an image that was carefully crafted by him and his sponsors to make millions. In working to build that image, sell us products, create his foundation, he did ask to be our guide; he did ask to be our hero. In that sense, he cheated on us too.

No, he didn’t owe us a boost in professional golf, an increase in the number of young people taking up the honorable sport, a foundation designed in part to “build character,” or any of the other benefits we undeservedly derived from his talent, drive, ambition and ability. But he gave us those things; and some of the public good he did do could suffer. That would be a shame.

If a measure of a man is how he deals with his mistakes, I hope he will come to see the ways in which this is more than just a private matter. I hope he will work to fix his family and to minimize potential public consequences. I hope he’ll be a hero. Not because he has to, but because he can.

I can see the measure of your insight, compassion and goodness by what you just wrote.

[katezbox]

Agree, well said.

And BTK - don't think he has been accused of prostitution

[cashman]

some will drop him. It doesn't matter how good a golfer he is...he is a lecherous, married whore monger and that is not what the public or his sponsers had or has in mind.

If he does come back to play, the announcers will have to clarify their comparisons of him to the previous greats who were honorable family men and good role models......ah as in golf ability only. He is in no way in the same category as palmer, nicholson, et al...

Poor kids had to deal with what comes with being in a public figure, weathy environment with a father to be proud of....now their cross has become heavier as they have to deal with the family destruction his moral stupidity has brought down on them.

On the positive side :), he now qualifies to be a politician:clap2:

Btk


I have agreed with everything you have posted until you comment about Palmer.

If you check the stories about Palmer you will find out about his checkered past.

[aln]

It seems we're quick to assume ALL these women are telling the truth and that Tiger was hiding something.
I don't doubt he had an affair. But are we all ready to believe he had 9 in 2 years? And while yes, he is guilty in every case that is REAL, but let us remember, these women knew who he was and that he was married and that he had children. I think they were after more than his 'charm'.
Kinda reminds me of this story......


A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular Home Depot customers. This one caught me by surprise.

Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends. Here's how the scam works:

Two seriously good-looking 20-21 year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look.

When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' and instead ask you for a ride to McDonalds. You agree and they get into the back seat. On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen May 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th, 24th & 29th. Also June 1st & 4th, Twice on the 8th, 16th, 23rd, 26th & 30th, three times last Monday and very likely again this upcoming weekend. So tell your friends to be careful.

P.S. Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for 2.99 each. I found cheaper ones for $1.99 at K-Mart and bought them out. Also, you never will get to eat at McDonalds. I've already lost 11 pounds just running back and forth to Home Depot.

[Taj44]

Agree, well said.

And BTK - don't think he has been accused of prostitution

No one said he was accused of prostitution. But it appears he may have been involved with porn actresses....Trashy, Trashy, Trashy.

[Russ_Boston]

He is in no way in the same category as Palmer, Nicholson, et al...



To the best of your knowledge that is. Let's remember that two weeks ago you would have said the same about Tiger.

[katezbox]

No one said he was accused of prostitution. But it appears he may have been involved with porn actresses....Trashy, Trashy, Trashy.

I disagree... BTK wrote "he is a lecherous, married whore monger "

Definition of monger is someone selling something (fishmonger, ironmonger). Definition of whoremonger from Free Onlline Dictionary...

Noun 1. whoremonger - a prostitute's customer
whoremaster, john, trick
customer, client - someone who pays for goods or services
2. whoremongerwhoremonger - a pimp who procures whores
whoremaster
fancy man, pandar, pander, panderer, pimp, procurer, ponce - someone who procures customers for whores (in England they call a pimp a ponce)

[islandgal]

A somewhat different article about Tiger in Golfers Guide

http://www.golfersguide.com/golf/golf-blog/i-am-tiger-woods.html

[billethkid]

constitute a "slip" I think not. Does flying his play toys to Australia and put up in fancy digs constitute a slip?
Does running around while your wife is pregnant with multiple partners = a "slip"?

Is it OK to curse and be un-gentlemanly on the course because one can afford the fines?

When it comes to character is he the guy you want tour children to emulate?

Anybody with a half a brain would know that eventually one will get caught. But I guess that is like being able to afford to pay the fines on the course. So he can afford to pay the fines dealt in life when one does something stupid.

Sorta smells and sounds like as long as one can afford it they can be above the law....I know he didn't do anything illegal....above the laws of life? decency?

The permissive pacifist society is way too forgiving.

How about a simple test of right or wrong? He is completely wrong.

He is kicking sand in the face of a moral society. And should be made a spectacle of to show it does not pay. But it won't happen.....fickle and short memory....the traits of today!!

btk

[otherbruddaDarrell]

constitute a "slip" I think not. Does flying his play toys to Australia and put up in fancy digs constitute a slip?
Does running around while your wife is pregnant with multiple partners = a "slip"?

Is it OK to curse and be un-gentlemanly on the course because one can afford the fines?

When it comes to character is he the guy you want tour children to emulate?

Anybody with a half a brain would know that eventually one will get caught. But I guess that is like being able to afford to pay the fines on the course. So he can afford to pay the fines dealt in life when one does something stupid.

Sorta smells and sounds like as long as one can afford it they can be above the law....I know he didn't do anything illegal....above the laws of life? decency?

The permissive pacifist society is way too forgiving.

How about a simple test of right or wrong? He is completely wrong.

He is kicking sand in the face of a moral society. And should be made a spectacle of to show it does not pay. But it won't happen.....fickle and short memory....the traits of today!!

btk

It looks like you and I think along the same line there Billethekid!:highfive:

[billethkid]

(political) or the abuse (the wealthy) of the once upon a time real core values!!!

Neither one of the above two categories have use for the right or wrong concept.

btk

PS and of course my reference categories above do not include the majority that live life as they should/could or expect.

[Taj44]

I disagree... BTK wrote "he is a lecherous, married whore monger "

Definition of monger is someone selling something (fishmonger, ironmonger). Definition of whoremonger from Free Onlline Dictionary...

Noun 1. whoremonger - a prostitute's customer
whoremaster, john, trick
customer, client - someone who pays for goods or services
2. whoremongerwhoremonger - a pimp who procures whores
whoremaster
fancy man, pandar, pander, panderer, pimp, procurer, ponce - someone who procures customers for whores (in England they call a pimp a ponce)
Correct. Ths whoremonger would mean "pimping" or fooling around with whores, or slang for "man who fools around with prostitutes". So technically Woods would be accused of pimping, and his trashy women would be accused of prostitution.

[graciegirl]

A somewhat different article about Tiger in Golfers Guide

http://www.golfersguide.com/golf/golf-blog/i-am-tiger-woods.html

Island,

I read it quickly yesterday, but one thing stuck in my mind. The writer says something to the effect that anyone of us given the money Tiger has would do the same.

I really, really, disagree. I know a lot of people that I feel sure would not abandon their family values for any reason.

One thing I was taught. You should not gamble with more than you can afford to lose.

All of his money now will not give him the wonderful experience of being with his children every day or buy back his good name in a lot of peoples views.

Money, after a certain level, only brings bigger houses, and bigger toys like boats and airplanes.

I feel in my heart that there is a Tiger in there somewhere who would give it all away to have what he lost.

I may be naive. He certainly was naive to trust that people would easily accept this behavior.

I hope that this moral ranting doesn't sound too much like a Revival, Flowerperson.

[katezbox]

Correct. Ths whoremonger would mean "pimping" or fooling around with whores, or slang for "man who fools around with prostitutes". So technically Woods would be accused of pimping, and his trashy women would be accused of prostitution.

Taj,

I guess our interpretation is just different.... First you are saying he was not involved with prostitutes; now you are syaing otherwise. I prefer to accept behavior where I am not involved and not label people based on some unsubstantiated accusations.

If Tiger is guilty, as Gracie says, he will lose a lot in this world. And I mean what is real, not just what is monetary. And he will have to answer to the man upstairs in the next.

Remember what was said of those who accused Mary Magdeline...

Adultery is one of the 10 Commandments... but so are not bearing false witness and coveting others' property.

k

[Taj44]

Taj,

I guess our interpretation is just different.... First you are saying he was not involved with prostitutes; now you are syaing otherwise. I prefer to accept behavior where I am not involved and not label people based on some unsubstantiated accusations.

If Tiger is guilty, as Gracie says, he will lose a lot in this world. And I mean what is real, not just what is monetary. And he will have to answer to the man upstairs in the next.

Remember what was said of those who accused Mary Magdeline...

Adultery is one of the 10 Commandments... but so are not bearing false witness and coveting others' property.

k

I don't know where you come up with your intrepretation regarding my stance on his alleged participation with prostititutes. You have not grasped what I said - Perhaps you just don't read posts carefully. In any event, of course he stands to lose a lot, and has already done so.

[BobKat1]

Please make it go away!!!!

[katezbox]

I don't know where you come up with your intrepretation regarding my stance on his alleged participation with prostititutes. You have not grasped what I said - Perhaps you just don't read posts carefully. In any event, of course he stands to lose a lot, and has already done so.

Taj,

Here was my original post... don't think he has been accused of prostitution


Here was your post from yesterday... No one said he was accused of prostitution. But it appears he may have been involved with porn actresses....Trashy, Trashy, Trashy.

Here is your post from today Correct. Ths whoremonger would mean "pimping" or fooling around with whores, or slang for "man who fools around with prostitutes". So technically Woods would be accused of pimping, and his trashy women would be accused of prostitution.

So it seems that you said yesterday that prostitutes were not involved, and today you said they were. How does this conclude a lack reading skills on my part?

[Irish Rover]

This is getting good.

[Taj44]

Taj,

Here was my original post... don't think he has been accused of prostitution


Here was your post from yesterday... No one said he was accused of prostitution. But it appears he may have been involved with porn actresses....Trashy, Trashy, Trashy.

Here is your post from today Correct. Ths whoremonger would mean "pimping" or fooling around with whores, or slang for "man who fools around with prostitutes". So technically Woods would be accused of pimping, and his trashy women would be accused of prostitution.

So it seems that you said yesterday that prostitutes were not involved, and today you said they were. How does this conclude a lack reading skills on my part?

I did not say prostitutes were not involved. I said no one has accused him of prostitution. Do you not see the difference? And I did not say you lack reading skills. I said perhaps you did not read my post carefullly. I do not appreciate the way you are implying I said something that I did not say.

I see no point in continuing this discussion. You're just out to make some point that apparently only you can understand. If it is that important to you, feel free to pm me. This is not relevant to the rest of the posters on this forum.

[REH7380]

It must be recognized that he risked bringing an STD home to his family and given his exploits it could have been HIV. Doesn't anyone remember Magic Johnson. This is not an innocent straying from good morals it is a serious threat to his wife and children and the STD he could have exposed them to along with the terrible HIV virus.
None of this even touches on the destruction of his wife's confidence and hurt nor the impact on the children as they grow and learn of it. Rest assured his wife will never get over it and it will always be a dark cloud hanging over the house and his family..All because he was a selfish person who thought of no one but himself and his children were second to his sick way of life.
I have no sympthy for him and the best he can do is reconstruct a near normal life with a dark cloud that will always be there for his wife and children.

[billethkid]

self indulgence first.....NOTHING else matters. And unfortunately he/they know they can get away with it....and don't much care if they don't.

btk

Just like so many of the others....do something stupid, illegal, immoral....go away and lay low....say your sorry ....and come back as if nothing ever happened....too many in that pattern.

[otherbruddaDarrell]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm so if Elin kicks him out of the house ........what kind of home do you think he will buy in TV's?:1rotfl:

[JUREK]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm so if Elin kicks him out of the house ........what kind of home do you think he will buy in TV's?:1rotfl:

Once all the girlfriends and the wife get done with him, he will be looking for homes he can afford under section 8 . Just south of TV.

When I first heard the story I thought it was his wife caught with some pro athlete. About one year ago someone passed on some pictures of his wife that made me blush , They were not modeling shots. I felt sorry for Tiger .
Now who knows what is going on ? Just a sad case for the family for sure.

[katezbox]

I did not say prostitutes were not involved. I said no one has accused him of prostitution. Do you not see the difference? And I did not say you lack reading skills. I said perhaps you did not read my post carefullly. I do not appreciate the way you are implying I said something that I did not say.

I see no point in continuing this discussion. You're just out to make some point that apparently only you can understand. If it is that important to you, feel free to pm me. This is not relevant to the rest of the posters on this forum.

You are splitting hairs - not to mention infinitives. You accused him of being involved with prostitutes. And why do you get to decide what other posters are or are not interested in?

[Martha Kaye]

Katezbox,
I'm not interested. Merry Christmas!!! Tis the season. Have a great holiday.

[graciegirl]

When there is intensity of feeling, most people try to clarify just what they said and what they meant.

We see that on this forum a lot. It is one of the reasons I read it.

I may not always agree with what I read and if I don't I switch to another post or thread.

I even enjoy reading that people have had enough. Ahhhh those First Amendment rights we all enjoy in this great country.

Keep on writing everyone. I will read you.

[Boomer]

Katezbox,
I'm not interested. Merry Christmas!!! Tis the season. Have a great holiday.

Mark Twain said, “It is easier to stay out than get out.” And I find that the turn this thread has taken has caused me to repeat Twain’s quote to myself, over, and over, and over again. But it’s not working. I really want to say something here.

First of all, I never thought I would find myself in the position of appearing to pull some kind of silly rank. Some of you may have seen the stuff I wrote when I had this Golden Eagle status foisted upon me. But ironically, that is what this might look like. Rank pulling. But that is only in the vein that I am saying that even though I have been around here forever, since TOTV was a tiny, little operation, that I would never, ever assume that I am entitled to announce what is and is not worthy of interest.

And yet, here we have someone with 10 posts, waltzing in, feeling entitled to say, ”I am not interested,” and basically telling somebody else to shut up, even to the point of a bold-print, imperative, "Drop it," in the subject line of the original post. Not a discussion of the subject matter. Not a debate of the topic. Not a little something said for fun. But nothing more than a faceless, snide, snippy, snotty little comment, including even a bastardization of a greeting. (Whatever that was supposed to mean?)

Oh and btw, I was quite interested in what Kate had to say. Kate was talking about the choice of the word ‘whoremonger’ in the context used by BTK. She was simply discussing the word itself. And I agree the word itself did not really apply in this case. The word ‘whoremonger’ means that somebody is paying for sex. And while Tiger Woody is definitely paying for sex, it is not in the literal cash-for-services definition that ‘whoremonger’ means. (uh oh....Here I am, writing away about the definition of ‘whoremonger’ when I should be cleaning my house for company. But I have been in the word biz for a long time so sometimes I just can’t help it. Now, I will probably get told to shut up, too....Don't really care..... I will find myself in good company, alongside Kate.) Anyway……

When things on TOTV go over-the-top, the admins take care of that. We have a pretty decent ambiance going here. But every once in a while, somebody comes along who seems to think that TOTV is “The Gong Show” and then turns into the self-appointed gonger. And they generally show their entitlement mode early in the game, not a lot of posts in. And I always wonder if these same people go to parties and jump into discussions to pass judgment on what is interesting and what is not, while never contributing anything to discussion or debate or even conversation. Just gonging along.

So I did not stay out of this. But I could not. And btw, here is another btw….I always read every word Kate writes. Kate writes lots of stuff for fun. And Kate also shares her knowledge as a professional when she explains all about those different kinds of TV bonds. And you can bet I read that, too. I am interested in what Kate has to say, just like I am interested in what a lot of other TOTVers have to say. But there are other things on TOTV that I am not interested in. But never, ever would I assume that I have the right to tell somebody else that what they are saying is not worthy because “I” am not interested.

(And, yeah I know, it would have been a whole lot faster had I just gone BOOM! – but wait…I think I did.)

Boomer, an old bird with ruffled feathers, getting a little territorial I guess

[l2ridehd]

Well said Boomer. :thumbup:

[SteveFromNY]

Boomer - I don't exactly agree with everything you are saying here, and I feel a little bit compelled to say something - not so much in defense of "Not Interested", or about what you specifically wrote, but more a commentary about how this entire episode - someone famous who for what ever reason has cheated on his wife many, many times, and now people who don't know him are heatedly fighting over what he has been reported to be doing. I said earlier that I didn't care about Tiger or his plight. Not understanding what kind of relationship he has with his wife, I can't bring myself to care all that much about her either. His son may turn out to be a very rich child of a divorce. I can't bring myself to feel all that much sympathy for him either. Certainly many people in lower socio-economic settings have similar troubles and I feel their plights are worse.
I feel much worse about the people here having such viloent disagreement over this episode - something they hear about 2nd or 3rd hand (thru the always trustworthy sources like TMZ and the entertainment channel among others), and then form these incredibly strong opinions, and start arguing. It seems like a big waste of energy.
So I too am not interested, not so much in what folks are saying here, but in Tiger and his situation. And perhaps that new poster that you pulled rank on meant it more in that vein. Let's all be frienda and use this as an informational avenue and save the low-blows for the political forum!

[Russ_Boston]

From MY perch as a Golden Eagle (or is that Bald Eagle:)):

The vast majority love reading Boomer and Kate and Gracie and all the regulars who we have gotten to know.

The vast majority wish Tiger and his family the best despite what we feel about (or call) his transgressions.

The vast majority want new blood to have a voice on TOTV.

And to the vast majority I wish you all a Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!

Now back to my studying!

[Boomer]

itiseasiertostayoutthangetoutitiseasiertostayout ...........

Hi Steve. Hi Russ.

I understand what you are saying, but......

I was not talking about whether or not somebody has the right to say whether Tiger's mess is interesting to them or not. I was talking about somebody coming in and taking a shot at an individual poster, by name, just one poster, in this long, long thread, just one, saying that person is not saying anything interesting. (Hard to explain stuff sometimes when not talking in person especially.)

Anyway, that's what made me go Boom!

Boomer

[Taj44]

delete

[REH7380]

Some of the posts on Tiger appear to be a little juvenile. If someone is not interested then just disregard the posting. By posting it is really saying someone is interested enough to read the post and post a response. That indicates some interest? Maybe negative but interest?
Regarding Tiger..he has been a serial cheater, exposed his family to STD's, lied and hurt a number of people. In my mind that is a degenerate.

[rshoffer]

Tiger is taking an indefinite leave from competitive golf.

[SteveFromNY]

Tiger is taking an indefinite leave from competitive golf.

That's something I do care about. As the best player on the tour, it's a shame he'll be hanging it up "indefinitely". And it is a shame this has all happened.

[graciegirl]

In about a year his marriage will have ended and he will return to the tour as a bachelor and he will have a girl in every port. Just hide and watch.

I just watched an hour long special just now and his girlfriends were interviewed. I wouldn't say they were "trashy" but I would say they weren't....well...like the roles Doris Day used to play. I know, that really dates me.

Now the only thing that can shock me is that someone will say Jack is gay.

[katezbox]

To Boomer, Russ, Gracie, Gail, and all who said they enjoy my posts - thank you.

Martha Kaye - thank you for the Christmas wishes. I love this season of joy. By the way, if you would prefer not to read future posts by me, you can block me.

Steve, I too am far more interested in Tiger taking a sabbatical from golf. I think his amazing skills were good for the game.

So since I have flown to and from Philly today (where it was 23 degrees and windy) I would like to quote Clement C. Moore and say "Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night."

[Whalen]

In about a year his marriage will have ended and he will return to the tour as a bachelor and he will have a girl in every port. Just hide and watch.

I just watched an hour long special just now and his girlfriends were interviewed. I wouldn't say they were "trashy" but I would say they weren't....well...like the roles Doris Day used to play. I know, that really dates me.

Now the only thing that can shock me is that someone will say Jack is gay.

Jack gay? Of course he is.
You mean you didn't know?
:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jblum8156]

Who's Jack?

[JeanneBeannie]

Who's Jack?

Thanks jblum!! :highfive:

Yeah...who the heck is Jack?!?! :shrug:

I was very curious myself, but figured I was the only one that didnt know lol. :1rotfl:

Jeanne

[ssmith]

I am going to post something...hopefully I will be able to express it without being pounced on...

It is so sad about Tiger and his family. What I do respect is his leave of absence. Although golf is important to him ...his wife fand family should come first. At least he will have a chance to work on that. That way he can look back and say at least he tried to do something.

If he has a weakness toward other women best to get him out of that situation soon.

All this to say who knows how it will turn out. If he can get his personal life back together...hopefully he can return to the PGA stronger and better for it.

IMHO

[rshoffer]

If you want to increase the value of something, make it scarce and hard to find/get.
The PGA Tour and it's sponsors are giving a lot of "lip service" to "Tiger and his family" but I would love to be a fly on the wall behind closed doors in the Cigar smoke filled corporate offices. Tiger's absence from the tour (by 1 report) may cut viewership by a staggering 50%!!!! We know how much the LPGA and Championship tours are struggling for sponsors. The financial impact of this is astronomical.
It reminds me of the NBA. I never watched it BEFORE Michael Jordan played, and I have not watched it since.
I love watching golf on TV and typically watch the LAST hour Sunday of a 4 day tourney....that is , unless, Tiger is playing. Then I DVR all 4 days and watch Tiger.. I wonder if I am an aberration or if I represent the average viewer?

[Russ_Boston]

The ratings are the highest when Tiger has a huge lead.

The ratings are good when he's near the lead.

The ratings are less when he isn't in contention.

And the ratings suck when he's not even entered into the tournament.

Yes his absence will hurt the tour!

_____

PS> - She means Jack Nicklaus.

[billethkid]

really "family" oriented.
You know what they say....you can rearrange a leopards spots and when you get done you still have a leopard....in this case a Tiger.

The ultimate motivation of all behavior in any subject related to what he has done....no matter who....or what...or where....or the organization.....

the almighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$......nothing more.

Like Vick went away and came back whole (some pretend!!!!!!) so will Tiger....with a well made, prepared, rehearsed profile that will take advantage of what he has been through......and conquered. Will the movie be better than the book?

The future earnings will determine what door he comes back through....nothing more.

btk

[katezbox]

RSH,

I am not as disciplined - but I am more interested if Tiger (and/or Phil) are playing. Felt the same about Annika...

SSMith, I agree with you - and I hope that he really does get help, becasue I totally get BTK's comment on Vick.

Jeannie and JBlum - I think the reference was to Jack Nicklaus (and not Jack for Will & Grace)

k

[Boomer]

RSH,

I am not as disciplined - but I am more interested if Tiger (and/or Phil) are playing. Felt the same about Annika...

SSMith, I agree with you - and I hope that he really does get help, because I totally get BTK's comment on Vick.

Jeannie and JBlum - I think the reference was to Jack Nicklaus (and not Jack for Will & Grace)

k

pssst, Kate, you are right about Gracie's Jack thing. I am pretty sure. But, I have a feeling Gracie is playing through with her comment on the roles Doris Day used to play. Doris Day was often in romantic movies with Rock Hudson.

Boomer

[Whalen]

pssst, Kate, you are right about Gracie's Jack thing. I am pretty sure. But, I have a feeling Gracie is playing through with her comment on the roles Doris Day used to play. Doris Day was often in romantic movies with Rock Hudson.

Boomer


Who's Rock Hudson? Is he gay??
:confused:

[graciegirl]

I am going to post something...hopefully I will be able to express it without being pounced on...



It is so sad about Tiger and his family. What I do respect is his leave of absence. Although golf is important to him ...his wife fand family should come first. At least he will have a chance to work on that. That way he can look back and say at least he tried to do something.

If he has a weakness toward other women best to get him out of that situation soon.

All this to say who knows how it will turn out. If he can get his personal life back together...hopefully he can return to the PGA stronger and better for it.

IMHO

Nothing to pounce on you about.

I know most of us feel the same way.

My husband Sweetie says that he is taking an hiatus from Golf to concentrate on his personal family life. I say, yes maybe, but I think mostly because of the fact that he is SO embarassed and if you have watched him over the years, you would know he hates sharing anything private. He HATES messing up in any way.

[Boomer]

Who's Rock Hudson? Is he gay??
:confused:

Ah Whalen, you know darned good and well who he is. That wonderful leading man who had to keep his sexuality secret because of the roles he played and because of the times. And Doris Day was a Cincinnati girl who said smart alecky things like, "The really frightening thing about middle age is that you know you will grow out of it."

Boomer

(and now I will go finish my dissertation on my adventure in grouchiness and my interest in Tiger.)

[katezbox]

pssst, Kate, you are right about Gracie's Jack thing. I am pretty sure. But, I have a feeling Gracie is playing through with her comment on the roles Doris Day used to play. Doris Day was often in romantic movies with Rock Hudson.

Boomer

Oh Boomer - you and Gracie are so smart. I missed that clever little reference... kudos Gracie

[katezbox]

Who's Rock Hudson? Is he gay??
:confused:

Gail,

Rock Hudson was an amazingly handsome leading man - he was also gay in an era where coming out would be worse for your career than McCarthyism,

[Whalen]

Ah Whalen, you know darned good and well who he is. That wonderful leading man who had to keep his sexuality secret because of the roles he played and because of the times. And Doris Day was a Cincinnati girl who said smart alecky things like, "The really frightening thing about middle age is that you know you will grow out of it."

Boomer

(and now I will go finish my dissertation on my adventure in grouchiness and my interest in Tiger.)


Boom,
I knew I couldn't fool you.
:highfive:

[collie1228]

I hate to see the comparison to Michael Vick, as I feel Vick is a complete degenerate, and I just can't put Woods in the same category as Vick. Vick's crimes (and they were heinous, ugly crimes) put him in jail, where most people believe he belonged. Woods' transgressions are not crimes. But all that being said, I believe that Vick has received good advice on how to overcome his situation, and he seems well on his way to recovery in the eyes of the public. Once out of jail, he got out in front of the situation, even getting involved with the Humane Society as an anti-dogfighting spokesman. I have a feeling that Vick does these things mostly to get his fame and fortune back, but who knows what is inside his head? My point is that Woods needs to take a lesson from Vick and start getting out in front of his situation. Tiger's silence has been deafening, and until he speaks directly to "his" public, the current situation is never going to improve. So many celebrities have found this out the hard way, and it's hard for me to understand how someone with Tiger's resources can't get the proper advice (or maybe he's received that advice but isn't man enough to follow it).

[Boomer]

I don’t know if is the bitterly cold Ohio weather or this silly Golden Eagle status that is making me behave in such a grouchy and un-Boomer-like manner.

But I am working on it.

This morning I found my fuzzy robe in the back of the closet, and I donned it over top my flannel pajamas, and we have turned on the heat under the tile floor beneath my feet, and so I am feeling much warmer, and, yes, fuzzier.

And I just had a nice, lazy breakfast. Instead of staying outside, in the cold, for a long time, to hunt for food myself, I intimidated a big hawk into dropping the rabbit he was carrying. It did not take long at all. Oh, and I filed down my talons – ever so slightly.

And now my grouchiness is directed only at Tiger.

When I first heard about the mess Tiger made, my response was simply a jaded response. I figured he would do that all too familiar Mea Culpa Dance, and after that, his feet of clay would fit into his golf shoes just fine. And yes, that’s right. I was not interested in Tiger Woods’ business ...UNTIL….I realized that Tiger Woods’ business is my business.

I was thinking about starting a separate Tiger thread in the investment forum and titling it “The Business of Tiger Woods.”

And I was going to tell you all about how, clutching that little paper that says I have a handful of shares, that paper that gets me in the door, I went to the Procter and Gamble stockholders meeting in October.

And I was going to tell you all about how my favorite part of the meeting is always the part where the CEO takes questions from the stockholders.

And then I was going to tell you about how an articulate, pleasant, dignified, older lady asked A. G. Lafley an interesting question. She said, in a quiet, classy way, “Why do we have a filthy-mouthed young woman tennis player representing one of our products?”

And a ripple of mumbling went through the audience. And the question was passed off to either the new guy who is taking over for Lafley or to somebody from legal. Can’t remember who took that question. It wasn’t Lafley. Lafley was retiring. (He had just reached the age for early Social Security so I think that helped him decide.)

Anyway, the answer was that the young woman had apologized, but that P&G would be watching. And I found that to be an acceptable answer. Yes, the young woman had messed up in the heat of the moment. Who hasn’t? And from a purely business point of view, P&G has a lot of money tied up in her, a lot of ads already in place, and the complication of cutting her loose or making a huge deal out of it would make a passing problem a bigger problem. And the issue, at that point, had already faded from the news. I thought the answer was OK.

But back to Tiger….I had not paid much attention to it. I did not read anymore about it (except on TOTV, of course) and I did not watch the television stuff. Not my business. Not interested.

But then. Just a few days ago. It finally occurred to me. Procter and Gamble owns Gillette. I own a little piece of Procter and Gamble. Damn! I am invested in Tiger Woods!

I am not concerned that this thing will have an effect on the stock price. That won’t factor in. But I am really ticked off, thinking about the amount of money that has been spent by P&G buying what sure looked like the perfect image. A lot of money – right down the drain. And no matter how tiny…… a little piece of that money was mine. And this one is not going to fade fast. Oh, he will play again. But his image is forever tarnished. This one was not a mistake. This one was a way of life.

So I guess I have to say, after all, that I do have an interest in Tiger Woods.

Boomer

(And that is what I was going to tell you all about if I had started a new thread in the investment forum.)

[Pturner]

When there is intensity of feeling, most people try to clarify just what they said and what they meant.

We see that on this forum a lot. It is one of the reasons I read it.

I may not always agree with what I read and if I don't I switch to another post or thread.

I even enjoy reading that people have had enough. Ahhhh those First Amendment rights we all enjoy in this great country.

Keep on writing everyone. I will read you.

I so agree.

But what I really want to say is, Gracie, you have a keen emphathy that is rare and wonderful.

This shows in so many of your posts. (Another example from this same thread: "One thing I was taught. You should not gamble with more than you can afford to lose. All of his money now will not give him the wonderful experience of being with his children every day or buy back his good name in a lot of peoples views. Money, after a certain level, only brings bigger houses, and bigger toys like boats and airplanes. I feel in my heart that there is a Tiger in there somewhere who would give it all away to have what he lost.")

Anyway, thanks for your many uplifting posts. OK, sorry y'all, if I've gotten off topic.

[Irish Rover]

Wow, this thread has been beaten like a pinata. We should get barf bags with all this syrup. Easy, just kidding.

[another Linda]

(ignoring advice from Boomer: stay-out-stay-out-stay-out)

" ... lead me not into temptation ... "

makes me glad I'm not rich, good looking, with too many hormones

[graciegirl]

(ignoring advice from Boomer: stay-out-stay-out-stay-out)

" ... lead me not into temptation ... "

makes me glad I'm not rich, good looking, with too many hormones

Two outa three ain't bad, Linda.

[golfnut]

islandgal, you go girl, it will be interesting to see how accurate this is (sounds like someone needs anger management classes)...gn

[aln]

The 6 o'clock news on WESH had a report that the Fla Hwy Patrol pretty much reputes this story about the trip to Phoenix.

see link
http://www.wesh.com/news/22092061/detail.html

[golfnut]

aln the wesh article states the fhp refutes the original report not reputes, two totally different meanings....gn

[SteveFromNY]

Tiger must be awfully glad Charlie Sheen is around!

[cashman]

But nearly every man and most women have done some of what Tiger did.

[aln]

IMHO the difference between Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods is that Charlie never pretended to be anything else.

[Whalen]

IMHO the difference between Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods is that Charlie never pretended to be anything else.

Touche'
:agree:

[cashman]

IMHO the difference between Charlie Sheen and Tiger Woods is that Charlie never pretended to be anything else.

NO the difference between Tiger and Charlie Sheen is that Tiger had sex, he did not put a knife to his wife's throat and threaten to kill her.

[cashman]

Touche!!!!!

[Pturner]

Do people who miss Tiger Boo Weekley? :D

[Bogie Shooter]

This thread should have been left asleep.

[Pturner]

With whom? sorry.

[graciegirl]

With whom? sorry.

I am gonna be your new best friend.;)

[Pturner]

I am gonna be your new best friend.;)
Then I'm going to be a very happy camper!!!:clap2: